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htownfan32
11-30-2013, 01:52 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1870774-kevin-sumlin-and-texas-am-agree-to-6-year-deal


So, I heard USC was better than TAMU?

Texian
11-30-2013, 02:06 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1870774-kevin-sumlin-and-texas-am-agree-to-6-year-deal


So, I heard USC was better than TAMU?

It may be but the PAC12 is not better than the SEC. Did A&M get Franchione'ed AGAIN? but this time A&M will have Franchione'ed A&M.

steelbtexan
11-30-2013, 02:08 PM
It may be but the PAC12 is not better than the SEC. Did A&M get Franchione'ed AGAIN? but this time A&M will have Franchione'ed A&M.

Time will tell

I hope this removes Sumlin from the Texans HC talk.

dtran04
11-30-2013, 02:08 PM
Saw on twitter that A&M was afraid of losing him to the Texans, not USC.

Texian
11-30-2013, 02:20 PM
Saw on twitter that A&M was afraid of losing him to the Texans, not USC.

Consider the sources. If true, the only good news derived from this is McNair would be considering college coaches and that would mean David Shaw and Jimbo Fisher could be in play.

TexansSeminole
11-30-2013, 02:41 PM
That's great for TAMU.

Dan B.
11-30-2013, 02:49 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1870774-kevin-sumlin-and-texas-am-agree-to-6-year-deal


So, I heard USC was better than TAMU?

USC has been pretty good under Orgeron. Wouldn't surprise me if they stick with him, especially if they beat UCLA.

badboy
11-30-2013, 02:52 PM
Man that is great news! signed Gary Kubiak

bhsman
11-30-2013, 02:57 PM
All about the Ray Horton train, toot toot.

revan
11-30-2013, 03:15 PM
Consider the sources. If true, the only good news derived from this is McNair would be considering college coaches and that would mean David Shaw and Jimbo Fisher could be in play.

http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/fn2/feeds/Associated%20Press/2013/11/05/660/371/89d2def94f674025420f6a7067009644.jpg?ve=1

Playoffs
11-30-2013, 03:21 PM
Better to have him here than in Southern Cal.

Nice job, alums.

Texecutioner
11-30-2013, 06:54 PM
He'll be out of A&M in two years. Book it.

Texan_Bill
11-30-2013, 07:07 PM
He'll be out of A&M in two years. Book it.

Maybe... But it certainly won't be USC. That said, it's pretty dumb to say "book it" when you don't know the man, his family and his heart are at. Maybe in a year and a half A&M ups the ante even more. You never know.

Than again, maybe you're right but again it's dumb to assume "book it"!

Texecutioner
11-30-2013, 07:12 PM
Maybe... But it certainly won't be USC. That said, it's pretty dumb to say "book it" when you don't know the man, his family and his heart are at. Maybe in a year and a half A&M ups the ante even more. You never know.

Than again, maybe you're right but again it's dumb to assume "book it"!

That's my prediction. I think he is a little foolish not to "cash in" now with the up coming off season while he is one of if not the hottest name on the market for college football coaches. Hell, some are even considering him for the NFL when he has literally no experience at all, and very little as a HC of a big time program. Manziel leaves this off season and he possibly have a down year or two. Who knows. If he has a less than spectacular season or two, his popularity as a hot coaching candidate will die rather quickly just like it does with a lot of HC's. I'm actually pretty surprised that he's not cashing in while the gettin is good.

I don't have the know the man either. I can make assumptions based on history and what I've seen tons of coaches do in similar situations. Texas A&M isn't some program that HC's are dying to be at, nor is it a program that I feel like Sumlin will embrace to the point that he'll keep passing up on other gigs with higher profile jobs. Could I be wrong? Sure, but I don't see Sumlin being there pass the next two seasons.

bah007
11-30-2013, 07:29 PM
That's my prediction. I think he is a little foolish not to "cash in" now with the up coming off season while he is one of if not the hottest name on the market for college football coaches. Hell, some are even considering him for the NFL when he has literally no experience at all, and very little as a HC of a big time program. Manziel leaves this off season and he possibly have a down year or two. Who knows. If he has a less than spectacular season or two, his popularity as a hot coaching candidate will die rather quickly just like it does with a lot of HC's. I'm actually pretty surprised that he's not cashing in while the gettin is good.

I don't have the know the man either. I can make assumptions based on history and what I've seen tons of coaches do in similar situations. Texas A&M isn't some program that HC's are dying to be at, nor is it a program that I feel like Sumlin will embrace to the point that he'll keep passing up on other gigs with higher profile jobs. Could I be wrong? Sure, but I don't see Sumlin being there pass the next two seasons.

Looks to me like Sumlin did cash in. That's what the extension is. He's just cashing in at A&M instead of USC.

Texecutioner
11-30-2013, 07:32 PM
Looks to me like Sumlin did cash in. That's what the extension is. He's just cashing in at A&M instead of USC.

Talk to me in two years. He won't be there. I heard Longhorn fans say the same thing when I told them Muschamp would leave soon if he didn't become the HC at Texas. He wasn't going to keep turning down big opportunities and he didn't. Sumlin won't either if he continues to have success. He'll just continue to build his price tag and will look for greener pastures.

bah007
11-30-2013, 07:39 PM
Talk to me in two years. He won't be there. I heard Longhorn fans say the same thing when I told them Muschamp would leave soon if he didn't become the HC at Texas. He wasn't going to keep turning down big opportunities and he didn't. Sumlin won't either if he continues to have success. He'll just continue to build his price tag and will look for greener pastures.

Don't disagree with you. Just disagree with the assertion that he didn't use his newfound popularity to cash in.

He may not have upgraded to a better job, but he did manage to squeeze some more cash out of A&M.

Playoffs
11-30-2013, 07:43 PM
...He'll just continue to build his price tag and will look for greener pastures.

Which pasture is greener than the SEC's?

Texian
11-30-2013, 07:44 PM
Talk to me in two years. He won't be there. I heard Longhorn fans say the same thing when I told them Muschamp would leave soon if he didn't become the HC at Texas. He wasn't going to keep turning down big opportunities and he didn't. Sumlin won't either if he continues to have success. He'll just continue to build his price tag and will look for greener pastures.

I'm not sure he will be a hot commodity in two years. His goose that laid his golden egg will have been long gone and his defense stinks.

FirstTexansFan
12-01-2013, 08:12 AM
I'm not sure he will be a hot commodity in two years. His goose that laid his golden egg will have been long gone and his defense stinks.

That's my issue, I believe he has a plug and play offense, and they'll find a quarterback to run the system successfully. But if he continues with the type of defense he's brought so far, and it goes back to his time at UofH, they'll be also rans.

texanhead08
12-01-2013, 08:11 PM
Sumlin's agent is good at keeping his name out there whether he really would consider leaving A&M is anyones guess. It was like that at UH and it finally got to the point where he out priced UH's budget. Its just less likely it will happen at A&M because they have very deep pockets.

htownfan32
12-01-2013, 08:25 PM
That's my issue, I believe he has a plug and play offense, and they'll find a quarterback to run the system successfully. But if he continues with the type of defense he's brought so far, and it goes back to his time at UofH, they'll be also rans.

He doesn't run the defense. Mark Snyder does, and the defense held up pretty well against a solid Mizzou team. A&M just could not capitalize on the offensive side when they needed to. This last defensive performance probably would have won us the Alabama and Auburn games.

Our pass rushers are mostly freshmen, with the exception of Gavin Stansbury. Isaiah Golden, Justin Manning and Daeshon Hall are not yet conditioned to the point where they can compete with the big SEC O-lines. We have a 5 star pass rusher coming in and one of the best LBs in the state in Hoza Scott (if he meets academic standards). Jordan Mastrogiovanni will step up at LB next year and Darian Claiborne is easily one of the better LBs in the SEC and he's just a freshman.

Two years. My senior year A&M makes a run at the SEC title.

FirstTexansFan
12-01-2013, 08:55 PM
He doesn't run the defense. Mark Snyder does, and the defense held up pretty well against a solid Mizzou team. A&M just could not capitalize on the offensive side when they needed to. This last defensive performance probably would have won us the Alabama and Auburn games.

Our pass rushers are mostly freshmen, with the exception of Gavin Stansbury. Isaiah Golden, Justin Manning and Daeshon Hall are not yet conditioned to the point where they can compete with the big SEC O-lines. We have a 5 star pass rusher coming in and one of the best LBs in the state in Hoza Scott (if he meets academic standards). Jordan Mastrogiovanni will step up at LB next year and Darian Claiborne is easily one of the better LBs in the SEC and he's just a freshman.

Two years. My senior year A&M makes a run at the SEC title.

I know who the head coach is, and I know what a crap defense he had at UofH... if he doesn't fix this hole, they will not have any success. The defense is the reason they are not in the top ten now, Manziel can only do so much, and next year we don't have him. :swatter:

htownfan32
12-01-2013, 09:02 PM
I know who the head coach is, and I know what a crap defense he had at UofH... if he doesn't fix this hole, they will not have any success. The defense is the reason they are not in the top ten now, Manziel can only do so much, and next year we don't have him. :swatter:

The defense will get better. Next year they should be much better. The freshmen will improve and this is a young, young defense. They've shown more signs of life recently than in the first half of the season.

Mr teX
12-01-2013, 11:21 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1870774-kevin-sumlin-and-texas-am-agree-to-6-year-deal


So, I heard USC was better than TAMU?

It is....the only real reason this happened, imo of course..is b/c the AD at USC has been non-commital and very secretive about whether or not he wants to keep Orgeron. I think if he goes ahead, puts it out there that the job will indeed be open after the season and and he wants to interview sumlin, i think his agent holds off the extension talk with A&M...at least until after talking with USC.

Plus too, i think he knows there's gonna be no shortage of capable candidates if he's willing to go as high as 6 million......

I personally think he's got his eye on someone from the NFL....someone with credibility that is.

bah007
12-02-2013, 08:19 AM
I'm hearing that USC's list is this, in order:

1. Chris Petersen, Boise St
2. James Franklin, Vanderbilt
3. Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M
4. Ed Orgeron, interim

Preemptive strike by A&M to lock up Sumlin but it might not have even been necessary. Petersen might conceivably turn down the job due to family reasons but Franklin would jump at it if he really is the #2 option.

WolverineFan
12-02-2013, 09:57 AM
I'm hearing that USC's list is this, in order:

1. Chris Petersen, Boise St
2. James Franklin, Vanderbilt
3. Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M
4. Ed Orgeron, interim

Preemptive strike by A&M to lock up Sumlin but it might not have even been necessary. Petersen might conceivably turn down the job due to family reasons but Franklin would jump at it if he really is the #2 option.

I've heard the same. After the UCLA game, it's basically Petersen and Franklin with Orgeron as a fallback.

I like Petersen, but I don't see the culture fit at USC. He'd be better off at Nebraska. Franklin would definitely jump at the job if offered.

Texian
12-02-2013, 10:06 AM
I'm hearing that USC's list is this, in order:

1. Chris Petersen, Boise St
2. James Franklin, Vanderbilt
3. Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M
4. Ed Orgeron, interim

Preemptive strike by A&M to lock up Sumlin but it might not have even been necessary. Petersen might conceivably turn down the job due to family reasons but Franklin would jump at it if he really is the #2 option.

Joe Schad ‏@schadjoe 5m

Boise State's Chris Petersen has withdrawn from USC coaching search after mutual interest.

bah007
12-02-2013, 10:45 AM
Joe Schad ‏@schadjoe 5m

Boise State's Chris Petersen has withdrawn from USC coaching search after mutual interest.

Thanks for the update. I'm not surprised. It's gonna be tough to get him away from Boise with his family situation.

Stemp
12-02-2013, 01:18 PM
Word is USC has hired Sarkasian from Washington

Dutchrudder
12-02-2013, 01:25 PM
So Bob McNair runs A&M too? Didn't know that...

Rewarding mediocrity is not the way to build a program. I can understand extending him, but 5 million a year, and he hasn't won a conference yet? C'mon man!

WolverineFan
12-02-2013, 01:31 PM
Word is USC has hired Sarkasian from Washington

Yep that's what I've heard as well. Word is Petersen turned down the job despite some mutual interest (which texian alluded to earlier ITT) and USC turned to James Franklin (Vanderbilt). They told him he had to keep Ed Orgeron on the staff so he said no thanks. Sarkisian agreed to retain Orgeron so he got the job.

Just rumors I've heard so far, no links. Take it with a grain of salt.

EDIT: Apparently Sark isn't keeping Orgeron on staff and hiring him was a desperate move by USC to get someone in with USC ties after all of their top options turned them down.

Who knows what to believe...

Stemp
12-02-2013, 03:12 PM
USC is still a good job but certainly not the top 2-5 destination anymore.

steelbtexan
12-02-2013, 07:06 PM
So Bob McNair runs A&M too? Didn't know that...

Rewarding mediocrity is not the way to build a program. I can understand extending him, but 5 million a year, and he hasn't won a conference yet? C'mon man!

^^^^
This

BTW, how did you like Sumlin calling a TO with 2:00 left and then deciding to punt. I was like, the Ags deserve this guy. Cant do simple math and makes terrible decisions under pressure.

Sumlin is the college version of Gary. All offense, no defense in addition to the above.

Dutchrudder
12-02-2013, 10:54 PM
^^^^
This

BTW, how did you like Sumlin calling a TO with 2:00 left and then deciding to punt. I was like, the Ags deserve this guy. Cant do simple math and makes terrible decisions under pressure.

Sumlin is the college version of Gary. All offense, no defense in addition to the above.

It was very Kubiak-esque. You have a 4th and 13, with JFF and Mike Evans, and you don't go for it? With our defense? C'mon man...

htownfan32
12-02-2013, 11:07 PM
It was very Kubiak-esque. You have a 4th and 13, with JFF and Mike Evans, and you don't go for it? With our defense? C'mon man...

This pissed me off to no end. Our defense won't be competitive until a year or two. I'm expecting a meh year next and a decent year after.

2012Champs
12-03-2013, 07:53 PM
USC is still a good job but certainly not the top 2-5 destination anymore.


Please rank the top 10 NCAA head coaching jobs

htownfan32
12-04-2013, 02:06 AM
Please rank the top 10 NCAA head coaching jobs

Alabama, Texas, LSU, Florida, Ohio State, Oregon, Michigan, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Penn State, not in any specific order.

2012Champs
12-04-2013, 11:45 AM
Alabama, Texas, LSU, Florida, Ohio State, Oregon, Michigan, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Penn State, not in any specific order.



I think it would actually take the number 3 spot and the others could slide down with Penn dropping off the list altogether. Im not sure why USC has fallen off the list of top coaching jobs on this forum but I dont think that is an overall opinion of those who follow cfb

bah007
12-04-2013, 01:10 PM
Yea Penn St over USC is a crazy thing to say right now.

USC is down but it's still a great job.

htownfan32
12-08-2013, 03:05 PM
Ian Rapoport has reported that Sumlin could still potentially leave for the Texans if he is given an offer.

If Sumlin leaves and you all were the ADs of Texas A&M, who would you hire as coach? Ed Orgeron, maybe?

Pollardized
12-08-2013, 03:18 PM
Ian Rapoport has reported that Sumlin could still potentially leave for the Texans if he is given an offer.

If Sumlin leaves and you all were the ADs of Texas A&M, who would you hire as coach? Ed Orgeron, maybe?

You know who would be instantly rumored? Kubiak....

htownfan32
12-08-2013, 03:25 PM
You know who would be instantly rumored? Kubiak....

I hope not :kubepalm:

Pollardized
12-08-2013, 03:30 PM
I hope not :kubepalm:

Me too. As an Aggie fan that would be a nightmare to me. Orgeron would be a good interview.

WolverineFan
12-08-2013, 03:37 PM
If Sumlin leaves and you all were the ADs of Texas A&M, who would you hire as coach?

Chad Morris

steelbtexan
12-08-2013, 03:40 PM
The NCAA is hypocrytical, Raping of a child screams lack of institutional control.

The Penn St. program should've been shut down instead of getting a slap on the wrist.

bhsman
12-08-2013, 03:41 PM
The NCAA is hypocrytical, Raping of a child screams lack of institutional control.

The program should've been shut down instead of getting a slap on the wrist.

Why should the players be punished for something some dumb old men did? The NCAA getting involved beyond the criminal investigation was a terrible decision.

htownfan32
12-08-2013, 03:48 PM
If Sumlin leaves and you all were the ADs of Texas A&M, who would you hire as coach?

Chad Morris

Morris is an Aggie, and a good OC to boot.

Dutchrudder
12-08-2013, 03:58 PM
Nick Saban, duh.

WolverineFan
12-08-2013, 04:27 PM
Morris is an Aggie, and a good OC to boot.

He has Aggie roots, is considered a young up and coming coordinator who will be a future HC (much like Kingsbury was), and could maintain continuity on offense because he runs a similar system.

TexansSeminole
12-08-2013, 05:22 PM
He has Aggie roots, is considered a young up and coming coordinator who will be a future HC (much like Kingsbury was), and could maintain continuity on offense because he runs a similar system.

I think Chad Morris is the highest paid assistant college coach.

mussop
12-08-2013, 06:12 PM
Has Sumlin ever had a relevant defense, ever? And is his offense nfl capable? I watch as much college football as anyone but really focus on specific players and player martchups. I don't pay attention to schemes and coaching enough to have a clue.

Texian
12-08-2013, 06:13 PM
If Sumlin leaves and you all were the ADs of Texas A&M, who would you hire as coach?

Chad Morris

He was #1 on my Aggie List when they fired Sherman.

bhsman
12-08-2013, 06:33 PM
Has Sumlin ever had a relevant defense, ever? And is his offense nfl capable? I watch as much college football as anyone but really focus on specific players and player martchups. I don't pay attention to schemes and coaching enough to have a clue.

He had a great defense last year that all left for the draft like every other school in the SEC.

htownfan32
12-08-2013, 08:16 PM
We have a whole bunch of 4 star prospects on defense that were forced to contribute this year because of injuries and depth. Undersized freshmen in the SEC? They stood little chance.

I'm calling it now, linebacker Darian Claiborne will be one of the best LBs in the SEC by his junior or senior year. He has been the one positive player on an awful run defense, and he's just an undersized true freshman. This defense will be decent next year and if Snyder can deliver what he's being paid for they should be great in two.

There is a bucketload of talent coming to College Station. The only missing ingredients are experience and depth.

htownfan32
12-08-2013, 08:17 PM
Also it's gonna be #21 A&M vs. #24 Duke in the Chick Fil A bowl.

TexansSeminole
12-08-2013, 09:41 PM
Duke is well coached, I wouldn't underestimate them.

htownfan32
12-08-2013, 09:43 PM
Duke is well coached, I wouldn't underestimate them.

Not exactly sleeping on them but there are other teams I would have liked to face CFA Bowl is certainly not bad and Duke has had a good season. That being said, Manziel should be patched up in 3 weeks and playing like he was before the thumb, so I'm not sure if it'll be that much of a contest.

PapaL
12-10-2013, 10:25 AM
As I was reading about the Texans HC hunt came across this nugget. Thought it was interesting...

SOURCE: LINK (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000293747/article/lovie-smith-contacted-by-houston-texans)

Another name to keep an eye on: Rapoport was told that Kevin Sumlin will receive attention from Houston brass. The Texas A&M coach recently agreed to a six-year deal with the Aggies, but he hasn't officially signed it.

infantrycak
12-10-2013, 11:03 AM
As I was reading about the Texans HC hunt came across this nugget. Thought it was interesting...

SOURCE: LINK (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000293747/article/lovie-smith-contacted-by-houston-texans)

Like Sumlin will sit around and not sign the contract until after the NFL playoffs? A&M won't have any problem with that.

PapaL
12-10-2013, 11:14 AM
Like Sumlin will sit around and not sign the contract until after the NFL playoffs? A&M won't have any problem with that.

Maybe an agreement in principle? Who knows. Definitely strange if true.

infantrycak
12-10-2013, 11:34 AM
Maybe an agreement in principle? Who knows. Definitely strange if true.

Who would this agreement be between?

Dutchrudder
12-10-2013, 12:36 PM
Mike Sherman had agreed to an extension/raise the year he was fired. I believe the terms were agreed on near the beginning of the season, but university president sat on it and had not signed the contract by the time he was fired at the end of the season. They fought over whether or not they owed him the money on the new contract, though I'm not sure what happened with that.

Anyways, if the deal isn't completed officially, I don't think Sumlin is obligated to comply with it. If A&M wants him locked down, then they need to get that paperwork fast-tracked. Unless of course they are having second thoughts about paying 5 million a year for a guy who has never won a conference championship.

Dutchrudder
12-16-2013, 05:45 PM
Details of his contract from ESPN:

A copy of the new contract was obtained by ESPN.com on Monday via an open records request. Here is a summary of the notable details:

Sumlin signed the deal on Thursday.
The new contract goes into effect on Jan. 1, 2014 and ends on Dec. 31, 2019.
Salary is $5 million annually (up from $3.1 million in the contract he signed in January after the 2012 season).
If Sumlin leaves before the end of the 2016 season (including any bowl game), he owes Texas A&M $5 million. After the 2016 season, there is no buyout on Sumlin's end.
If Texas A&M terminates the contract at any time prior to the end date, it owes Sumlin whatever salary remains from the termination date to the end of the contract. Both Sumlin's and the school's buyout must be paid within 60 days of the termination date.
The assistant coach salary pool remains the same as it was in his January contract: $3.4 million. The contract states that Sumlin and athletic director Eric Hyman will meet annually to mutually determine the salary pool and that the pool will be set at a level that can keep the Aggies competitive "with all the other top-tier SEC football programs."
Sumlin's bowl game and championship game bonuses remain the same as they were in the deal he signed in January. He gets $100,000 for making the SEC championship game or $150,000 if the Aggies win the game.
A bowl game appearance equates to a $50,000 bonus. If it's the AT&T Cotton Bowl, Capital One Bowl, Chick-Fil-A Bowl or the Outback Bowl, the bonus is $100,000. A BCS bowl appearance is $250,000 or $300,000 for a win.
Appearance in the national championship game gets Sumlin $300,000. If the Aggies win the national championship, the bonus is $400,000.
His bonus structure relating to the new College Football Playoff is essentially to be determined. The contract states that the parties "agree to negotiate in good faith with respect to a reasonable bonus structure" and that it will be "at least commensurate with other similarly situated programs for such a restructured BCS or such playoffs." This clause was in Sumlin's previous deal.
Sumlin gets $50,000 for winning the SEC coach of the year honors and $75,000 if he's named national coach of the year by the American Football Coaches Association or the Associated Press. That's also consistent with his previous deal.
The APR bonuses remain the same. An APR between 950-964 results in a $50,000 bonus, an APR of 965-974 means a $75,000 bonus and an APR of 975 or higher means a $100,000 bonus (about a third of each of those bonuses will be allocated to staff members with the rest going to Sumlin).

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/colleges/tamu/post/_/id/11717/a-glance-at-sumlins-new-contract-details