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IDEXAN
11-30-2013, 07:37 AM
Russell Wilson has continued to soar while Andrew Luck has scuffled lately.
Robert Griffin III, Colin Kaepernick, Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson alternated turns in the NFL's young quarterback spotlight last season. Griffin set the rookie record for passer rating. Kaepernick set playoff records on his way to the Super Bowl. Luck transformed a 2-14 team into an 11-5 contender. Wilson tied the rookie record for touchdown passes.

Their paths have diverged some lately. Griffin, Kaepernick and Luck have combined for a 2-7 record, 78.9 passer rating and 33.8 Total QBR score over the past three weeks. The figures are quite different for Wilson in his past three games. His Seattle Seahawks are 3-0. His passer rating (123.2) and QBR score (88.6) have surged in those games.

"I think it is unfair to these guys almost to keep their stock report based on wins and losses or what they did last week," a general manager contended recently.

The GM is right. Careers aren't defined over short stretches. But we're not talking about just three games here or there. With Wilson trailing only Peyton Manning in passer rating and QBR since Week 8 of last season, it was worth asking whether the Seahawks' second-year starter might be pulling away from the others in general -- and specifically from Luck, who was regarded as the top passing prospect in a generation. The numbers are striking, but they do not tell the full story.
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/mike-sando/post?id=4223

drs23
12-02-2013, 06:12 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/mike-sando/post?id=4223

That's kinda teasy/cheezy ya know?

Norg
12-02-2013, 06:59 PM
yes any QB who can clinch a #1 seed is well pretty good

not only did he murk his divison he murked the entire Conference

texan279
12-02-2013, 09:08 PM
Wilson is lighting it up tonight against New Orleans.

infantrycak
12-02-2013, 09:16 PM
Wilson is lighting it up tonight against New Orleans.

Yup. He isn't getting the Manning treatment though. Boy twitched and got a false start. Meanwhile Manning is all Gangnam and laughing.

htownfan32
12-02-2013, 11:15 PM
He impresses me to no end. Mature, intelligent young guy with a bucketload of talent. Wish #3 was on our team.

IDEXAN
12-03-2013, 08:02 AM
That was quite a performance on Wilson's/Seattle's part. Just goes to show that like NOLA, some teams are only mediocre or slightly above on the road but nearly invincible at home. Home field advantage in Seattle (or the Superdome) has got to be atleast 10 points IMO.

toronto
12-03-2013, 08:40 AM
Yup. He isn't getting the Manning treatment though. Boy twitched and got a false start. Meanwhile Manning is all Gangnam and laughing.

I saw that and couldn't believe it. Manning does that literally every frigging play. It's unreal how rules apply differently to him and Brady.

PapaL
12-03-2013, 10:20 AM
That was quite a performance on Wilson's/Seattle's part. Just goes to show that like NOLA, some teams are only mediocre or slightly above on the road but nearly invincible at home. Home field advantage in Seattle (or the Superdome) has got to be atleast 10 points IMO.

I would not want to go there for a playoff game. That defense and the crowd is ridiculous.

Playoffs
12-03-2013, 11:03 AM
Big arm, intelligent, worker, charismatic natural leader...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IbYoeSf6Gk

deucetx
12-03-2013, 11:11 AM
We can probably add he is doing this with piss poor blocking since his best blockers have been injured and a receiving corps that spends more time injured than healthy. Hell, he even made Golden Tate relevant. Definitely a player and actually humble about it all. Just goes to work.

nero THE zero
12-03-2013, 11:25 AM
We can probably add he is doing this with piss poor blocking since his best blockers have been injured and a receiving corps that spends more time injured than healthy. Hell, he even made Golden Tate relevant. Definitely a player and actually humble about it all. Just goes to work.

This is a great point.

He definitely has that makes-the-players-around-him-better factor.

toronto
12-03-2013, 11:27 AM
I would not want to go there for a playoff game. That defense and the crowd is ridiculous.

That is what home field advantage is supposed to be like. Teams are supposed to fear road games, at least they used to. It's a throwback to days when going to Pittsburgh, Candlestick in the 80s), hell even Glanville turned the Astrodome into legit home field.

I'm insanely jealous of what they have created there. Good teams feed off that support, and can turn good teams into better ones.

SCOTTexans
12-03-2013, 12:00 PM
Big arm, intelligent, worker, charismatic natural leader...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IbYoeSf6Gk

Great video....

Wish our FO would have taken Grudens advice

eriadoc
12-03-2013, 12:51 PM
That was quite a performance on Wilson's/Seattle's part. Just goes to show that like NOLA, some teams are only mediocre or slightly above on the road but nearly invincible at home. Home field advantage in Seattle (or the Superdome) has got to be atleast 10 points IMO.

Not disputing Seattle's home field advantage at all, but they've been pretty damn good on the road too. They're 11-1 for a reason, and 5-1 on the road. And the one loss on the road was at Indy in a close game. To contrast, the Saints are 3-3 on the road.

IDEXAN
12-03-2013, 12:51 PM
I would not want to go there for a playoff game. That defense and the crowd is ridiculous.
What's sorta odd is that based upon my own personal experience people in the Puget Sound area really don't care that much about football. However they obviously enjoy getting stoned and partying, especially now since they can do it legally.

bah007
12-03-2013, 12:52 PM
What's sorta odd is that based upon my own personal experience people in the Puget Sound area really don't care that much about football. However they obviously enjoy getting stoned and partying, especially now since they can do it legally.

If I recall correctly, weren't the Sonics fans also pretty insane back in the 90's when they were really good?

WolverineFan
12-03-2013, 01:30 PM
The pass he made on the all out blitz where he took the snap and floated a 40-yarder to Baldwin was damn impressive.

PapaL
12-03-2013, 01:33 PM
What's sorta odd is that based upon my own personal experience people in the Puget Sound area really don't care that much about football. However they obviously enjoy getting stoned and partying, especially now since they can do it legally.

Where's my brother from another mother Brakos82? He's a local there now.

Double Barrel
12-03-2013, 05:29 PM
Wilson looks great, but that defense is a monster. I think it's too early to "crown" any of these young guys right now. Just about all of them would benefit from that Seahawks D. Their secondary is the best in the league and makes it tough for any QB, even a guy like Brees.

I think the Seahawks will represent the NFC in New York if they keep playing at the level they're at right now. The only things that could slow them down is injuries and beating themselves with mistakes, but I do not see any team in the NFC winning a January game in Seattle.

toronto
12-03-2013, 05:45 PM
Wilson looks great, but that defense is a monster. I think it's too early to "crown" any of these young guys right now. Just about all of them would benefit from that Seahawks D. Their secondary is the best in the league and makes it tough for any QB, even a guy like Brees.

I think the Seahawks will represent the NFC in New York if they keep playing at the level they're at right now. The only things that could slow them down is injuries and beating themselves with mistakes, but I do not see any team in the NFC winning a January game in Seattle.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1528253-breaking-down-how-richard-sherman-became-the-best-corner-in-the-game

I will never understand how the hell Richard Sherman fell to the 5th round. So did Sherman, who has played angry basically since then...

Some of those guys who got drafted [ahead of me], I was like, 'Wow, this is ridiculous.' I thought, 'What's the point of playing good ball if it doesn't matter?' By the time the fifth round rolled around, the damage was done. I was like, 'When I get to the NFL, I'm gonna destroy the league, as soon as they give me the chance.' And that's what I've been doing ever since.

5th rounder. Man.

Double Barrel
12-03-2013, 05:55 PM
Good read on Sherman, toronto. I did not know his history as a WR, but it makes sense when you see him play the ball and he's got great hands.

Dude with that kind of talent and a chip on his shoulder about the draft is dangerous. I've heard a lot of chatter from him, but he backs all of it up. That's playing a mind game, too, which feeds into the game on the field.

infantrycak
12-03-2013, 07:41 PM
Good read on Sherman, toronto. I did not know his history as a WR, but it makes sense when you see him play the ball and he's got great hands.

Dude with that kind of talent and a chip on his shoulder about the draft is dangerous. I've heard a lot of chatter from him, but he backs all of it up. That's playing a mind game, too, which feeds into the game on the field.

All true but he has got to control that chip. He is about to be hit with a hefty fine for a flagrant and unnecessary cheap shot.

Playoffs
12-03-2013, 11:02 PM
Okay, you're the GM of QB needy Team X and you get to choose between Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck. Who's taking whom?

eriadoc
12-03-2013, 11:07 PM
Okay, you're the GM of QB needy Team X and you get to choose between Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck. Who's taking whom?

Russell Wilson is my favorite QB to watch, and probably the 2nd QB I'd take if I were GM in a redraft behind Rodgers. I have said for some time now that he'll end up being the second best QB from that draft class behind Luck, but damn if he isn't making a case for the best.

Vance87
12-03-2013, 11:07 PM
Okay, you're the GM of QB needy Team X and you get to choose between Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck. Who's taking whom?

I'd put both names in a hat and draw one.

Double Barrel
12-04-2013, 10:31 AM
Okay, you're the GM of QB needy Team X and you get to choose between Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck. Who's taking whom?

Luck. Dude has already shown that he has the intangible "clutch factor", which is something a player either has or does not have. It cannot be coached up.

Not dissing Wilson, but Luck is extremely intelligent (valedictorian at Stanford). Smarts is another one of those highly valued traits at QB.

And while Wilson does not seem to have a problem with height, let's be honest about it. A 6'4" QB with a good arm is going to have a natural advantage over a 5'11" guy.

And growing up with a father who played NFL QB is something that you cannot exclude from the big picture. It's in his DNA.

Don't get me wrong, I like Wilson, but based on your specific question, I'd take Luck.

WolverineFan
12-04-2013, 11:34 AM
Okay, you're the GM of QB needy Team X and you get to choose between Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck. Who's taking whom?

I love Wilson, but I'm talking Luck every time.

Keep in mind that Wilson has the best defense in the league behind him and a great running game to support him. Luck has neither.