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badboy
11-29-2013, 08:42 PM
Nov 29th playing Oregon State and at half time has thrown for 107 yds 6/10 10.7 and two INTS no TDs. 17-17. Looking pretty rough so far.

stingray
11-29-2013, 08:49 PM
What network?

Texian
11-29-2013, 08:51 PM
What network?

FoxSportsNetwork #219 on Directv

stingray
11-29-2013, 08:51 PM
Thanks..Just found it.

beerlover
11-29-2013, 09:05 PM
very negative game for his draft stock suggesting it would be in his best interest to return for his Junior season, seek a national championship & earn his degree!

on the flip side there is some outstanding talent on display. Oregon CB, Ifo Ekpre-Olomu is the closest corner to Darrel Revis I've seen in awhile. Disruptive, excellent & physical tackler, playmaker, plus closing speed & position. I think he could crack the top 10.

Oregon State WR Brandon Crooks is amazing slot receiver with all the tools. Strength for size, speed & quickness with a suddenness to separate, a poor mans Tavon Austin. Love that OSU RB Terron Ward, looks like Ray Rice, 5070 205 balance, power, heart. Was wondering if related to Derek Ward but not his brother did play @ Oregon & now safety with Cleveland Browns.

Also should mention local talent, WR Josh Huff could push Posey for 3rd WR on Texan roster & of course DeAnthony Thomas, super elite returner & change of pace RB.

badboy
11-29-2013, 09:21 PM
Ok he finally passes for a TD 10/16 159 yds 9.9 and looked pretty good this drive.

TexansSeminole
11-30-2013, 10:15 AM
It's almost like teams are starting to figure Mariota out, which doesn't bode well for the NFL. The NFL figures you out much more quickly.

Honoring Earl 34
11-30-2013, 10:31 AM
Mariota has talent , he is a little raw .

That Crichton dude can play .

badboy
11-30-2013, 03:55 PM
Several QBs are have average or worse games.

Playoffs
11-30-2013, 04:25 PM
Seems like a few highly thought of college QBs need to go back into the oven for more cooking before coming out to the pros. They likely won't, but...

Texian
11-30-2013, 04:37 PM
Seems like a few highly thought of college QBs need to go back into the oven for more cooking before coming out to the pros. They likely won't, but...

Contrary to popular belief they do. Their NFL evaluation is usually the determining factor. Without 30 college starts or more it's commonly a 3rd rd grade or later.

WolverineFan
11-30-2013, 06:30 PM
Seems like a few highly thought of college QBs need to go back into the oven for more cooking before coming out to the pros. They likely won't, but...

Many of them need to. Guys like Mariota, Hundley, and Manziel are not ready and need more seasoning. However, because of the desperate need for QB's in the league they are getting 1st round grades and that's why they might declare.

Bridgewater is the only non-senior QB who I think has nothing to gain by going back for another year.

Bulls on Parade
11-30-2013, 06:55 PM
Many of them need to. Guys like Mariota, Hundley, and Manziel are not ready and need more seasoning. However, because of the desperate need for QB's in the league they are getting 1st round grades and that's why they might declare.

Bridgewater is the only non-senior QB who I think has nothing to gain by going back for another year.
Bridgewater, not a fan of his. He played pretty average at best in a game I watched the Houston Cougars barely lose 20-13 at Louisville a few weeks back. I don't recall the Cougars ever being known for their defense either.

Texian
11-30-2013, 07:16 PM
Many of them need to. Guys like Mariota, Hundley, and Manziel are not ready and need more seasoning. However, because of the desperate need for QB's in the league they are getting 1st round grades and that's why they might declare.

Bridgewater is the only non-senior QB who I think has nothing to gain by going back for another year.

They may be getting 1st rd draft grades from media but not necessarily from the NFL. Especially if they have less than 30 college starts.

Only (3) red shirt Sophomore have declared for the draft, Michael Vick, Tommy Maddox and Todd Marinovich.

bah007
11-30-2013, 07:22 PM
They may be getting 1st rd draft grades from media but not necessarily from the NFL. Especially if they have less than 30 college starts.

Only (3) red shirt Sophomore have declared for the draft, Michael Vick, Tommy Maddox and Todd Marinovich.

Yikes. That worked out well.

Spled
12-03-2013, 05:43 PM
Mariota is staying in school, which probably makes Carr the top quarterback prospect after Bridgewater, who will probably go with the #1 pick.

badboy
12-03-2013, 05:51 PM
Mariota is staying in school, which probably makes Carr the top quarterback prospect after Bridgewater, who will probably go with the #1 pick.Hopefully, Bridge goes #1 to Cleveland after a gigantic trade to Houston.

Dutchrudder
12-03-2013, 06:00 PM
Hopefully, Bridge goes #1 to Cleveland after a gigantic trade to Houston.

I think Cleveland is going to end up with JFF, and whoever gets the number 1 pick will take Bridgewater, be it the Texans or Jags.

mussop
12-03-2013, 07:16 PM
Well he's returning to school according to cbs sports

Texian
12-03-2013, 07:23 PM
Mariota is is in a very similar position that Barkley was two years ago. The mere fact of him returning school already has the media making him better than he is. This is true of most media hyped QBs who return to school.

bhsman
12-03-2013, 07:33 PM
Mariota is is in a very similar position that Barkley was two years ago. The mere fact of him returning school already has the media making him better than he is. This is true of most media hyped QBs who return to school.

In fairness, Mariota has played very well this year but wasn't spotless; there were concerns about Barkley's arm strength that another year in school wouldn't fix. The same can't be said for Mariota.

LonerATO
12-03-2013, 07:44 PM
In fairness, Mariota has played very well this year but wasn't spotless; there were concerns about Barkley's arm strength that another year in school wouldn't fix. The same can't be said for Mariota.

The issue I have with Mariota is that he has zero experience playing under center, but that can be said for a good majority of the QBs coming out.

Texian
12-03-2013, 07:53 PM
In fairness, Mariota has played very well this year but wasn't spotless; there were concerns about Barkley's arm strength that another year in school wouldn't fix. The same can't be said for Mariota.

How quickly we forget, Barkley was a sure fire first rd pick according to the media if he had come out his Jr. year, just like Lienart. Them boys got the same hype Mariota is getting now. Them boys then had a higher ceiling than Mariota. The media has a tendency to sensationalize, it makes for a better read and an easier sell.

Rey
12-03-2013, 09:05 PM
Good choice. Manziel needs to go back to school too.

dtran04
12-04-2013, 12:06 AM
Except Winston will still claim the #1 QB spot. Don't think his "stock" can go much higher.

TexansSeminole
12-04-2013, 01:13 AM
Except Winston will still claim the #1 QB spot. Don't think his "stock" can go much higher.

It's not always about going back to be the #1 WB next year. Sometimes guys just need to improve and aren't quite ready.

mussop
12-04-2013, 10:17 AM
Good choice. Manziel needs to go back to school too.

Signed Murray and metenburger.

bah007
12-04-2013, 02:09 PM
How quickly we forget, Barkley was a sure fire first rd pick according to the media if he had come out his Jr. year, just like Lienart. Them boys got the same hype Mariota is getting now. Them boys then had a higher ceiling than Mariota. The media has a tendency to sensationalize, it makes for a better read and an easier sell.

Gotta agree with this. Media was basically reporting that Barkley was turning down the #1 overall pick for another year in college. I liked him coming out but he was never that good.

Mariota is very overrated right now. He has had a ton of success in college so far but he has had to make very few tough throws. He has made plenty of plays from inside the pocket, but his ability to run scares defenses into playing him differently than he would see in the pros. Hopefully he gets some more experience reading and throwing against real coverages next year.

OzzO
12-19-2013, 08:02 AM
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/18/oregon-qb-marcus-mariota-requests-nfl-draft-grade/

Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota has requested that his draft stock be evaluated by the NFL despite his announcement on Dec. 3 that he would return to play for the Ducks in 2014, according to a report from NFLDraftScout.com.

The request doesn’t affect Mariota’s eligibility and he is under no obligation to follow its recommendations.

Oregon associate athletic director Craig Pintens said via Twitter that Mariota made the request following the Ducks’ final game against Oregon State, but that Mariota’s decision to return will stand regardless of what the evaluation shows....

Blake
12-19-2013, 08:08 AM
Smart move. I think he sees the QB class coming off weak. If he declares I think he is a 1st round QB.

OzzO
12-19-2013, 08:23 AM
Lance Z mentioned it this morning. He feels Mariota would be first QB taken, ahead of Bridgewater.

BullNation4Life
12-19-2013, 08:35 AM
Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!

This is the kid that the Texans need. He is big, fast and has a cannon for an arm HOWEVA he cannot be allowed to wear #8...

He is a 6'4 Manziel with a better arm.

Man I hope this happens

Blake
12-19-2013, 08:49 AM
Lance Z mentioned it this morning. He feels Mariota would be first QB taken, ahead of Bridgewater.

Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!

This is the kid that the Texans need. He is big, fast and has a cannon for an arm...

He is a 6'4 Manziel with a better arm.

Man I hope this happens

I mentioned wanting Mariota potentially ahead of Bridgewater here (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2248129#post2248129). But since then I feel that Teddy is more Pro ready. He has better vision and can read the entire field well. Not just making one read and throw.

For the Texans at 1-1, Bridgewater is my 1, and Mariota is my 1A.

Texian
12-19-2013, 09:39 AM
Could be he just wants to know where he stands and what NFL thinks he needs to work on. That's understandable. Very doubtful that if he doesn't have 30 college starts that he will get a first round grade. IMHO he hasn't done anything on the football field that says 1st pick or high first rd pick.

bah007
12-19-2013, 09:48 AM
Could be he just wants to know where he stands and what NFL thinks he needs to work on. That's understand. Very doubtful that if he doesn't have 30 college starts that he will get a first round grade. IMHO he hasn't done anything on the football field that says 1st pick or high first rd pick.

Geez I'm agreeing with Texian...

Mariota is not ready. If you draft him he sits for a year minimum, no questions asked. That's a tough sell for most GMs these days. If you throw him out there too early you risk ruining him.

I like his size, arm, and mobility. His accuracy is okay. My big thing is that the offense he plays in makes him tough to project. Over half his throws are to wide open receivers. He is basically a HS QB as far as the mental part of the game goes.

The mental side of playing QB is the most underrated attribute for the position. All people want to look at is size, arm strength, and athleticism. All things that Mariota has btw.

TexansFTW
12-19-2013, 09:58 AM
I like the guy a lot, but I'm sorry. I do NOT want him to be a Texan.

Oregon has had a 50 point / game offense for a while and all these dudes look sick in college, but on the OFFENSIVE side of the ball who is their big name player in the NFL?

LaGarrette Blount, Kellen Clemens, Ed Dickson?

He's faced 2 middle of the road PAC-12 teams in the last 2 weeks of the season and has looked pedestrian at best. I know he said he's "hurt" or whatever, but give me a break. The NFL isn't easy, everyone is playing "hurt" and only a handful of guys mention it to reporters after the loss to use as a crutch.

Sorry Mariota, but beat it.

Blake
12-19-2013, 10:03 AM
Geez I'm agreeing with Texian...

Mariota is not ready. If you draft him he sits for a year minimum, no questions asked. That's a tough sell for most GMs these days. If you throw him out there too early you risk ruining him.

I like his size, arm, and mobility. His accuracy is okay. My big thing is that the offense he plays in makes him tough to project. Over half his throws are to wide open receivers. He is basically a HS QB as far as the mental part of the game goes.

The mental side of playing QB is the most underrated attribute for the position. All people want to look at is size, arm strength, and athleticism. All things that Mariota has btw.

I agree too. Mariota would only be selected IMO if he could sit for 1 FULL year. Not just 2-3 games. And with McNairs comments about winning now, I think he would want a mentally ready QB if he took a QB at all.

To win now I could see a plan of signing a free agent QB who would almost be plug and play, then selecting a instant impact defender where transition isnt as tough.

Playoffs
12-19-2013, 10:32 AM
Might Marcus Mariota change his mind? (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nfl/rumors/post/_/id/16120)

On Dec. 3, QB Marcus Mariota released a statement that he intended to return to Oregon for the 2014 campaign, rather than join the NFL draft. However, he reportedly requested an NFL grade prior to that announcement but released the statement before learning his grade. The key here is that no binding decision has been made at this time.

"Regardless of the actual date Mariota requested his grade from the committee, what has become increasingly clear is that he made his statement without actually learning of his grade. Once he receives the grade -- expected to be a top 15 designation -- Mariota may have a harder time turning down the lure of an NFL paycheck," wrote Rob Rang of The Sports Xchange.

"Requesting his grade certainly does not mean that Mariota has changed his mind and will declare early for the 2014 NFL Draft. Many players check with the NFL's free evaluative service simply to get a better grasp on their prospects for the future and fully plan on returning for another year of collegiate action."

By many accounts, Mariota could be the top quarterback taken in the draft, depending on how he might perform during the NFL Combine and Oregon's pro day. When ESPN NFL Insider Mel Kiper Jr. recently released his top options at each position, he ranked Mariota behind only Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater among non-senior QB prospects.

"Mariota has said he'll return to Oregon, but he remains here until he's no longer allowed to change his mind," Kiper wrote.

The deadline for underclassmen to declare for the draft is January 15.

nero THE zero
12-30-2013, 12:50 PM
After stating plans to return, Marcus Mariota requested NFL grade (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24380057/after-stating-intention-to-return-to-oregon-mariota-requested-grade-from-nfl?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

After releasing a statement Dec. 3 of his intentions to return to Oregon, the NFL Advisory Committee has since received Mariota's request for an evaluation, NFLDraftScout.com has confirmed.

...

According to Craig Pintens, Oregon's senior associate athletic director, Mariota requested his grade "the day after the Civil War." When asked today by Portland Sports Radio station 750 The Game if his plans had changed, Mariota said, "To clear any confusion, I'm very blessed and thankful to come back."

Regardless of the actual date Mariota requested his grade from the committee, what has become increasingly clear is that he made his statement without actually learning of his grade. Once he receives the grade -- expected to be a top 15 designation -- Mariota may have a harder time turning down the lure of an NFL paycheck.

...

It isn't difficult to understand why Mariota may want to consider leaving now. The strong-armed, highly athletic passer boasts a more exciting skill-set than any other quarterback potentially available in 2014, including Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater, NFLDraftScout.com's top-rated quarterback at this time.

"Why wouldn't he want to look into [coming out this year]?" one high ranking NFL source said on the condition on anonymity. "[Mariota] could be the first quarterback drafted this year. That may not happen next year."

...

Mariota passed for 3,412 yards and 30 touchdowns against just four interceptions in 2013. He also rushed for 582 yards and nine scores. Mariota didn't play as well down the stretch (four interceptions in last two games) after suffering an injury to his left knee against UCLA but ended the Ducks' regular season in fine form by guiding them to an impressive comeback over rival Oregon State in the Civil War.

Regardless of prior announcements made, underclassmen officially have until Jan. 15 to request early admission into the NFL draft.

I am a big Mariota fan and if he enters it makes the Texans' decision at #1 a tough one.

Trap_Star
12-30-2013, 12:54 PM
That article is from over a week ago and he's already reiterated that's he's staying since.

beerlover
12-30-2013, 12:55 PM
He plays tonight in San Antonio against our beloved Texas Longhorns, doubt he approaches performance of Teddy in his bowl game but that is why they play the game. That said, I believe he returns to Oregon for his Junior season.

http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/MarcusMariota.jpg

HOU-TEX
12-30-2013, 12:55 PM
After stating plans to return, Marcus Mariota requested NFL grade (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24380057/after-stating-intention-to-return-to-oregon-mariota-requested-grade-from-nfl?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)



I am a big Mariota fan and if he enters it makes the Texans' decision at #1 a tough one.

So am I. I hope he does reconsider. It'd make me feel better with the #1 pick.

ChampionTexan
12-30-2013, 01:02 PM
That article is from over a week ago and he's already reiterated that's he's staying since.

Yep! From the same website as the OP linked to:

12/19/2013 - Mariota confirms he will return to Oregon...Oregon Ducks quarterback Marcus Mariota confirmed he intends to return to the team for at least one more season after it was learned he had requested his grade from the NFL Advisory Committee. Oregon's senior associate athletic director, Craig Pintens, said Mariota requested the grade following the Ducks' victory over Oregon State on Nov. 29. Mariota told 750 The Game radio in Portland, "To clear any confusion, I'm very blessed and thankful to come back."
LINK (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1880862/marcus-mariota)

bah007
12-30-2013, 01:03 PM
He has tools. But he is not nearly as NFL ready as Bridgewater or Mettenberger. I would have him rated as the #3 QB in this draft.

thunderkyss
12-30-2013, 01:07 PM
I am a big Mariota fan and if he enters it makes the Texans' decision at #1 a tough one.

I like Mariota better than Bridgewater too.

Playoffs
12-30-2013, 01:16 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2271202#post2271202

I like Mariota better than Bridgewater too.
So do I, but what do I know? :ahhaha:

bhsman
12-30-2013, 02:33 PM
He'll probably stay in school, but Mariota entering the draft would make me heavily lean towards the Clowney->Mettenberger draft plan due to more QBs being available before Zach.

Uncle Rico
12-30-2013, 07:38 PM
Watching his bowl game right now. God this kid is fast! I don't Luke his delivery speed and how he would rather just take off and run if his first and second option isn't there. Not as fluid in the pocket as Teddy B IMO.

Trap_Star
12-30-2013, 07:45 PM
his physical tools are great but he's a total project. doesn't take snaps under center and doesn't run a pro run or pass offense.

eriadoc
12-30-2013, 07:48 PM
He has tools. But he is not nearly as NFL ready as Bridgewater or Mettenberger. I would have him rated as the #3 QB in this draft.

You know who else was NFL ready? Kareem Jackson. I know, makes no difference now, but every time I hear that phrase, I cringe.

As for the topic at hand, if you're going to spend a #1 overall pick on a QB, I want the guy who has the tools to be a superstar (especially upstairs). I don't see that in Bridgewater. I mean, he's a nice QB, but I just don't see superstar in his future. I, like anyone else here, could be wrong, of course. But I'd rather have Mariota.

Bridgewater would be the 4th or 5th best QB in next year's draft.

beerlover
12-30-2013, 07:49 PM
The more you watch of Mariota the more one can appreciate Bridgewater ability to pick apart a secondary with his arm not his legs.

Playoffs
12-30-2013, 07:55 PM
Really wish this kid was coming out. Looks the part to me -- RoboQB.

http://bcschick.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/robocop-28550-2.jpg

JCTexan
12-30-2013, 08:00 PM
Mariota is reminding me of Kaepernick & RG3. Put ten in the box and he won't be as effective. From the limited amount I've watched them both, I think Bridgewater is the superior QB.

Uncle Rico
12-30-2013, 08:02 PM
Mariota is elusive in the open field. My concern is how many licks will it take from NFL backers before he starts breaking up?

Always take the guy who can read the defense and,make the necessary adjustments.

LOL saying there would be 4 or 5 better QBs other than Teddy B in next year's draft is flat out ignorant.

Uncle Rico
12-30-2013, 08:06 PM
Mariota is reminding me of Kaepernick & RG3. Put ten in the box and he won't be as effective. From the limited amount I've watched them both, I think Bridgewater is the superior QB.

Good comparison. I hate the extra second in the release, Teddy has a real quick release.

thunderkyss
12-30-2013, 08:16 PM
I'm seeing too many called runs. It's not that he's making one read then running, but they're calling a lot of read options, & draws for him.

TexansFTW
12-30-2013, 08:19 PM
Mariota is my 2nd highest rated RB coming out in 2015.

Uncle Rico
12-30-2013, 08:19 PM
He runs high too, that's a big target for an NFL safety running full speed to lay the wood.

Texn4life
12-30-2013, 08:24 PM
He has tools to work with. They're just really hard to evaluate in this Oregon offense. Its much easier to evaluate Teddy, Murray, and some of the other guys in this draft. Even Boyd is a lot easier project. He could turn into a great QB at the next level or a complete bust from what I've seen from him.

Honoring Earl 34
12-30-2013, 08:25 PM
Mariota is my 2nd highest rated RB coming out in 2015.

Looks like Marcus Allen .

TexansFTW
12-30-2013, 08:26 PM
He runs high too, that's a big target for an NFL safety running full speed to lay the wood.

I was listening to someone, maybe Mike Mayock, and it was either last year or the year before when evaluating QBs he said something along the lines of "I've seen a lot of young running QBs enter the league, but I don't see many of them leave the league old".

Basically, these guys' career's don't last. The only guy I can see breaking that rule is Cam because he's built like a tank. But even then, the biggest trees fall the hardest. Either way, this dude is fast as hell. If you could get 4 years out of him it might be enough for 1 ship. This dude is gonna be tough to stop in the NFL if his passing game steps up.

thunderkyss
12-30-2013, 08:35 PM
He runs high too, that's a big target for an NFL safety running full speed to lay the wood.

I think he'd make a great Safety.

Blake
12-30-2013, 09:09 PM
Mariota looks like his leg is about to turn into concrete. Dude definitely needs another year at Oregon.

Uncle Rico
12-30-2013, 09:10 PM
I was listening to someone, maybe Mike Mayock, and it was either last year or the year before when evaluating QBs he said something along the lines of "I've seen a lot of young running QBs enter the league, but I don't see many of them leave the league old".

Basically, these guys' career's don't last. The only guy I can see breaking that rule is Cam because he's built like a tank. But even then, the biggest trees fall the hardest. Either way, this dude is fast as hell. If you could get 4 years out of him it might be enough for 1 ship. This dude is gonna be tough to stop in the NFL if his passing game steps up.

Yup. Have you ever stood next to a chiseled NFL defender? I imagine getting hit by them doesn't tickle and a lot of young guys question their career choice after a couple of snot bubble inducing shots

TexansFTW
12-30-2013, 09:47 PM
Yup. Have you ever stood next to a chiseled NFL defender? I imagine getting hit by them doesn't tickle and a lot of young guys question their career choice after a couple of snot bubble inducing shots

Living in Houston for a while now, I've had the pleasure of having an Adrian Peterson sighting. I'm not short (6'0"), but AP literally towered over me and ESPN has him listed at just 6'1".

He also turned my hand into jello when he shook it. AP is about as jacked as a strong safety I imagine, and I would have hated if he hit me full speed. So I can imagine what you're referring to and don't think I would choose a career path where I constantly put myself into those type guys line of sight.

Marshall
12-30-2013, 10:08 PM
That article is from over a week ago and he's already reiterated that's he's staying since.

You mean like Mack reiterating he was staying on as the HC at Texas? His answers will depend on who is asking the question and what he believes they want to hear. He's a politician.

eriadoc
12-30-2013, 10:26 PM
LOL saying there would be 4 or 5 better QBs other than Teddy B in next year's draft is flat out ignorant.

First off, I said that he would be the 4th or 5th best, which means that 3 or 4 QBs would be better than him. The inability to parse that statement correctly would more aptly be termed as ignorance. As for the 3 or 4 QBs that I would put above him from next year's draft:

Winston
Hundley
Mariota
Bortles

Obviously, one or two of those may declare eligible, so the number is flexible. You may disagree with putting any one of those QBs ahead of Bridgewater, and that's fine. But a contrary opinion is not ignorant.

Hell, I may even like Petty better by the time another season has been played.

Trap_Star
12-30-2013, 10:43 PM
You mean like Mack reiterating he was staying on as the HC at Texas? His answers will depend on who is asking the question and what he believes they want to hear. He's a politician.

i guess you didn't read that the decision was made for Mack....but yes, he could ultimately change his mind. there are no indications that he will and for his sake, he shouldn't.

Uncle Rico
12-30-2013, 10:55 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorance

Spitting out that X amount of players would be better than the best QB prospect in this draft is a subjective comment based on YOUR opinion and trying to pass it off as a fact is funny and just exposes you for the joke you are, so save your English class jargon and stop humiliating yourself.

Dutchrudder
12-30-2013, 11:02 PM
I think he'd make a great Safety.

Fify

eriadoc
12-30-2013, 11:34 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorance

Spitting out that X amount of players would be better than the best QB prospect in this draft is a subjective comment based on YOUR opinion and trying to pass it off as a fact is funny and just exposes you for the joke you are, so save your English class jargon and stop humiliating yourself.

So read again what I posted here:

But a contrary opinion is not ignorant.

And tell me that you have a basic understanding of the English language.

drs23
12-31-2013, 01:07 PM
:slapfight:

BullNation4Life
12-31-2013, 06:03 PM
Are you ready for...


http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/smacking.gif.pagespeed.ce.trGVm4bUMJ.gif


INTERNET GIRL FIGHT NIGHT!!!

Uncle Rico
09-06-2014, 09:45 PM
This kid needs his own thread. He's killing the best defense in the country right now.

Great size, runs like a gazelle, smart with the ball, cannon arm. What don't you like? Best QB in the country.

steelbtexan
09-06-2014, 09:58 PM
This kid needs his own thread. He's killing the best defense in the country right now.

Great size, runs like a gazelle, smart with the ball, cannon arm. What don't you like? Best QB in the country.

I like everything about him.

He's making me reconsider my QB rankings

1. Winston
2. Mariota
3. Cook- Who has also looked really good today and has the size BOB looks for in a QB.

thunderkyss
09-06-2014, 09:59 PM
This kid needs his own thread. He's killing the best defense in the country right now.

Great size, runs like a gazelle, smart with the ball, cannon arm. What don't you like? Best QB in the country.

Do you think he could be ready to start week 1 of the 2015 season?

Uncle Rico
09-06-2014, 10:12 PM
I like everything about him.

He's making me reconsider my QB rankings

1. Winston
2. Mariota
3. Cook- Who has also looked really good today and has the size BOB looks for in a QB.

Im impressed how team first he is, almost to a fault. Even the announcers made comment how he needed to be a little more selfish for the ultimate good of the team and he took over in the second half.

Do you think he could be ready to start week 1 of the 2015 season?

His skillset is one that he could not only start day 1, but he would be effective day 1.

badboy
09-06-2014, 10:30 PM
I am waiting for him to get his completion percentage up as his yards per catch is very good as is his TD to INT ratio.

Playoffs
09-06-2014, 10:52 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103226

infantrycak
09-06-2014, 10:58 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103226

Thank you for everyone who chips in and does this. It does help.

Uncle Rico
09-06-2014, 11:16 PM
Didn't think to dig into the 2nd page and go back to December and rehash an old thread ... will try that next time.

infantrycak
09-06-2014, 11:38 PM
Didn't think to dig into the 2nd page and go back to December and rehash an old thread ... will try that next time.

No worries. A quick thread title search is easy if you're willing. Every little bit helps.

xtruroyaltyx
09-06-2014, 11:50 PM
I like mariota ok.

Didn't see him today, but last year I had a similar concern as I had with manziel. The system they play in.

I wonder how he translates to a more nfl style offense where he has more responsibility and more reads. More things to think about.

What I do like about him is that I think he's better in the pocket than manziel and seems more mature as a football player.

ATXtexanfan
09-07-2014, 02:21 AM
He's definitely got the new school tools. But we all know it's about putting in the work and the IQ. Dude would look good in a Texan uni.

WolverineFan
09-07-2014, 02:28 AM
I like mariota ok.

Didn't see him today, but last year I had a similar concern as I had with manziel. The system they play in.

I wonder how he translates to a more nfl style offense where he has more responsibility and more reads. More things to think about.

What I do like about him is that I think he's better in the pocket than manziel and seems more mature as a football player.

Yep. He has zero experience in a pro style passing game and would have to be taught everything on the go as a rookie. Ideally a guy you sit for a year and let him digest the playbook. His college offense really does nothing to prepare him for the pro game. Agree on your other points about him. Very mature and likable young man.

Also, I like Connor Cook more and more every time I see him. I think he has a real chance to be better than Kirk Cousins (also played at MSU).

Carr Bombed
09-07-2014, 03:12 AM
Since we're talking about possible QBs to select, depending on how he continues to develop this season since it's only his second real season starting and we miss out on a top ten pick and have to start looking towards other players..

What is y'all's opinion on Taysom Hill? You never hear anything about this guy in the major media discussions, but this kid can flat out ball. He's starting to look like another QB from BYU, except he's bigger, stronger, faster, and has a better arm.

The guy looks highly intelligent and even though he could take off on any play (fantastic speed and athleticism), he also works very well within the pocket and is a willing passer. I don't know what his draft projections are yet, but I have a feeling he is going to start shooting up some boards after the combine if he has a big season. Every time I've watched him play I've been highly impressed.. not saying he's going to go high in the draft, but as a prospect and his skill set, he's pretty damn interesting.

Texian
09-07-2014, 09:23 AM
I thought that Connor Cook was the better QB

thunderkyss
09-07-2014, 09:54 AM
I thought that Connor Cook was the better QB

I definitely thought he was the more NFL ready... but Mariota probably the better overall prospect.

bah007
09-07-2014, 10:45 AM
Cook is definitely the better QB at this point. Mariota plays in an offense that is perfectly suited to his game and he excels in it. He won't get babied like that in the NFL. With that said, he impressed me. I personally wouldn't draft him in the top five, but somebody will. And if they coach him up right it will work out.

Taysom Hill is only a junior and won't be in the draft this year. He is a fantastic college QB and obviously owns Texas, but he doesn't have a NFL skill set. He's basically BYU's version of Tebow.

Uncle Rico
09-07-2014, 12:09 PM
Mariota 17/28 316 3TDs 0 INTS 80 QBR

Cook 29/47 343 2TDs 2INTS 55 QBR

So what to make from that? Mariota was supposedly facing the best defense in the country. Oregon on the other hand isn't some kind of defensive force, playing at home sure helps that side of the ball no doubt.

Im curious what the argument to support the claim that Cook is somehow the better player/prospect is? I don't think the 2 are close at all judging by this game, or even all of last year. Mariota has all the measurables and intangibles you want in the new age QB.

The game is evolving. Players are faster, especially on the defensive side. Pure drop back passers are a thing of the past.

badboy
09-07-2014, 11:20 PM
I like mariota ok.

Didn't see him today, but last year I had a similar concern as I had with manziel. The system they play in.

I wonder how he translates to a more nfl style offense where he has more responsibility and more reads. More things to think about.

What I do like about him is that I think he's better in the pocket than manziel and seems more mature as a football player.
Don't most high school QB go to colleges they believe will make the player look good? IIRC most coaches and O & D coordinators have a "system".

Texian
09-08-2014, 12:32 AM
Im curious what the argument to support the claim that Cook is somehow the better player/prospect is?.

Two of Mariots'a TD passes were on busted coverage. Pretty easy pitch and catch. That does wonders for a QB rating. Mariota still gets credit for spotting a lonely WR deep behind the defense.

Watching the game it appeared to me that Cook did a better job in the pocket, better presence, awareness and execution under pressure.

AngryNateFTW
09-08-2014, 12:55 AM
Two of Mariots'a TD passes were on busted coverage. Pretty easy pitch and catch. That does wonders for a QB rating. Mariota still gets credit for spotting a lonely WR deep behind the defense.

Watching the game it appeared to me that Cook did a better job in the pocket, better presence, awareness and execution under pressure.

Texian and I don't agree very often, but Cook was clearly the better QB in that game.

xtruroyaltyx
09-08-2014, 01:00 AM
Don't most high school QB go to colleges they believe will make the player look good? IIRC most coaches and O & D coordinators have a "system".


The answer to your first question is no. For players in general there are a lot of factors that go into choosing a school, if they have choices.

And I don't get the point of your second question. Unless you are saying that you think a qb at navy or Georgia tech can step into a traditional nfl offense despite the type of system they are in. Yeah all teams have a system. But if they go to a different type of system where they have to do different things, they MAY struggle. Or take time to adjust.

beerlover
09-08-2014, 02:12 AM
just watching game now. two different QB's, skill sets, approach to respective offenses. disagree with anybody who doesn't feel Mariota cannot fit in NFL offense.

Cook reminds me a little bit of Ben Rothelisberger in the pocket, fluid in his drops for size, will climb the pocket, mostly out of shotgun, good accuracy but not athletic. good fit in Pittsburgh or San Diego.

Mariota is extremely adept throwing on the run, strong sharp passes with heat (underrated quality, like Kaepernick who should be his comp, just not off the field, very clean) electric handing off, keeping defense on toes, can sell & boot. Mariota looks physically bigger & plays stronger Polynesian genes kicking-in.

Both teams have excellent secondary's, look @ both for db help. Excellent match-up, like fact Oregon didn't panic, made halftime adjustment & blew out a quality opponent.

76Texan
09-08-2014, 11:13 AM
No. 1 overall pick.
Unless there's an injury or some unfathomable reason./

I've watched most of his games against tier 1 opponents.

How long will it take for him to develop under center is another question.
How well is also a different question.

Newton saw about 20 snaps under center at Auburn and he does just fine in the NFL.

Quite a few Eagles fans are willing to give up Nick Foles and two first rd picks for Mariota.
In fact, I saw a survey showing nearly forty percent of them willing to make a trade of there-about value.

Uncle Rico
09-08-2014, 05:41 PM
Two of Mariots'a TD passes were on busted coverage. Pretty easy pitch and catch. That does wonders for a QB rating. Mariota still gets credit for spotting a lonely WR deep behind the defense.

Watching the game it appeared to me that Cook did a better job in the pocket, better presence, awareness and execution under pressure.

I guess finding the open receiver is not a skill. Perhaps in your humble opinion Cook sailing 2 passes under pressure for INTS was a better example of quarterback play. Agree to disagree I suppose.

Texian
09-08-2014, 07:41 PM
I guess finding the open receiver is not a skill. Perhaps in your humble opinion Cook sailing 2 passes under pressure for INTS was a better example of quarterback play. Agree to disagree I suppose.

Try reading again what I said about giving Mariota credit.

Uncle Rico
09-08-2014, 09:38 PM
Try reading again what I said about giving Mariota credit.

An underhanded, half assed 'compliment' followed by "Cook performed better under pressure" ... OKAY LOL

Texian
09-08-2014, 09:48 PM
An underhanded, half assed 'compliment' followed by "Cook performed better under pressure" ... OKAY LOL

Nope, that's your interpretation. To often you see QBs completely miss the wide open WR. So again I say, Mariota gets credit for finding the open receiver.

beerlover
09-09-2014, 12:58 AM
Two of Mariots'a TD passes were on busted coverage. Pretty easy pitch and catch. That does wonders for a QB rating. Mariota still gets credit for spotting a lonely WR deep behind the defense.

backhanded compliment as I've ever seen. if it quacks like a duck its probably a duck.

Watching the game it appeared to me that Cook did a better job in the pocket, better presence, awareness and execution under pressure.

when the pocket wasn't there in the second half he collapsed with it unable to execute under pressure, hence false statement. why because he lacks escape & natural athletic ability, doubt that improves much against superior NFL talent.

76Texan
09-09-2014, 02:21 PM
Cook will most likely go back for another year; he said so.

At the moment, I agree with him.

Uncle Rico
10-03-2014, 08:18 PM
Mariota didn't look that strong last night IMO. Tough loss at home. With title hopes probably dashed will be interesting to see how he is utilized moving forward. Still the team first guy or will he be allowed to cut it loose?

Playoffs
10-29-2014, 02:12 PM
CollegeFootball 24/7 ‏@NFL_CFB
Scout questions if Mariota is alpha male: "If you punched him in stomach, he might apologize." http://bit.ly/1yI70l3

bah007
10-29-2014, 02:16 PM
And it begins. Mariota must be too far ahead of the other QBs if garbage like this is already circulating.

There are things about Mariota that I don't necessarily like, but his mental makeup isn't one of them.

badboy
10-29-2014, 02:19 PM
nothing else to talk about so tear him down

htownfan32
10-29-2014, 02:32 PM
Good. Let him fall... right into our hands :jogger:

Playoffs
10-29-2014, 03:24 PM
And it begins. Mariota must be too far ahead of the other QBs if garbage like this is already circulating...

nothing else to talk about so tear him down

Yep, posted for entertainment purposes only as I chuckled at that comment.

badboy
10-29-2014, 03:27 PM
Good. Let him fall... right into our hands :jogger:
Emdiggy would chortle

TEXANRED
10-29-2014, 03:50 PM
Good. Let him fall... right into our hands :jogger:

Why? We would just draft a project DL in that spot.

Texian
10-29-2014, 04:13 PM
IMHO Mariota will be the first QB drafted. The bad news is JAX could be in a position to receive a kings ransom for rights to Mariota.

Three years from now I'm not sure Mariota is best QB in this class.

WolverineFan
10-29-2014, 05:24 PM
Mariota has a lot of similarities to Robert Griffin (who I notoriously did not like), but I think his ability to win in the pocket is the biggest difference between them. He's as good against pressure as any other QB in this class.

beerlover
10-29-2014, 11:47 PM
Mariota has a lot of similarities to Robert Griffin (who I notoriously did not like), but I think his ability to win in the pocket is the biggest difference between them. He's as good against pressure as any other QB in this class.

I've always thought of him as a "clean version" of Colin Kaepernick.

toronto
10-30-2014, 12:35 PM
I've always thought of him as a "clean version" of Colin Kaepernick.

Which does NOT hurt his cause. I have no problem with a massive tank from the Titans to get this kid.

toronto
11-02-2014, 11:14 PM
Which does NOT hurt his cause. I have no problem with a massive tank from the Titans to get this kid.

Edit, the Stanford game helped cement his status. The kid is a frigging stud and it will be a bidding war for that pick if Oakland or Jax get the pick.

Mr teX
11-02-2014, 11:27 PM
IMHO Mariota will be the first QB drafted. The bad news is JAX could be in a position to receive a kings ransom for rights to Mariota.

Three years from now I'm not sure Mariota is best QB in this class.

He's not...physical tools not withstanding, he's got bust written all over him & i can't see why noone see this.

toronto
11-03-2014, 12:11 AM
He's not...physical tools not withstanding, he's got bust written all over him & i can't see why noone see this.

Are we watching the same games? I have watched several this year and this kid is just outstanding. He not only has mobility, but a rocket arm and is accurate. He is also pocket first, then run. I don't get the mistrust.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/511459/marcus-mariota

Those game by game stats are impressive, but look at his career. It's not like this is his first great season. He was likely #1 last year too, and this year more teams are crying for a QB.

Mr teX
11-03-2014, 12:33 AM
Are we watching the same games? I have watched several this year and this kid is just outstanding. He not only has mobility, but a rocket arm and is accurate. He is also pocket first, then run. I don't get the mistrust.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/511459/marcus-mariota

Those game by game stats are impressive, but look at his career. It's not like this is his first great season. He was likely #1 last year too, and this year more teams are crying for a QB.


Spread O qbs always put up ridiculous stats....you almost have to throw those completely out of the pic when evaluating them b/c they play mostly from the shotgun and the offenses they play in spread the defense so thin, it allows for them to see the field better and make reads easier. It gives the appearance that they're good pocket passers when they're really not. In the event teams get after them, they're good enough athletes to get away. In other words, the offenses they run in college compliment their skill sets. That wont be the case in the nfl. They may have a package or 2 that will, but ultimately teams will corral you and make you beat them from the pocket and coaches are gonna make u run their systems .and most of these types of guys can't do it....At least consistently anyway.

Anyway, i see nothing out of Mariota to indicate he'll be any different from the likes of Blaine Gabbert, Kevin Kolb or even Kaepernick. Also spread O qbs with physical tools and measureables.

Blaine Gabbert
Kevin Kolb

beerlover
11-03-2014, 01:43 AM
Just getting to this weekends game tape & Mariota is taking more control, making decisive reads, looks 100% recovered & stronger, high percentage/low risk decisions. His numbers are not what's important to focus on its the way he dictates tempo, leadership & gamesmanship.

toronto
11-03-2014, 11:09 AM
Spread O qbs always put up ridiculous stats....you almost have to throw those completely out of the pic when evaluating them b/c they play mostly from the shotgun and the offenses they play in spread the defense so thin, it allows for them to see the field better and make reads easier. It gives the appearance that they're good pocket passers when they're really not. In the event teams get after them, they're good enough athletes to get away. In other words, the offenses they run in college compliment their skill sets. That wont be the case in the nfl. They may have a package or 2 that will, but ultimately teams will corral you and make you beat them from the pocket and coaches are gonna make u run their systems .and most of these types of guys can't do it....At least consistently anyway.

Anyway, i see nothing out of Mariota to indicate he'll be any different from the likes of Blaine Gabbert, Kevin Kolb or even Kaepernick. Also spread O qbs with physical tools and measureables.

Blaine Gabbert
Kevin Kolb

I would buy this argument but the trend in the NFL suggests more than half the league has moved towards a spread set, with 4 and 5 WR packages and QBs making lots of quick reads. This kid has the skills to manage that, and has still shown good pocket presence when necessary. More important, he stays healthy and has a cannon. Gabbert and Kolb don't match that, and I long thought Locker and Gabbert were ridiculous reaches.

Playoffs
11-03-2014, 11:14 AM
Thinking Mariota will be a Jet or a Buc. We won't sniff him.

thunderkyss
11-03-2014, 11:21 AM
Thinking Mariota will be a Jet or a Buc. We won't sniff him.

I just watched Draft Day last night.


It could happen.

santo
11-03-2014, 11:24 AM
I just watched Draft Day last night.


It could happen.

That movie was over the top that I actually enjoyed it. Wish Rick Smith was like that. :kitten:

WolverineFan
11-03-2014, 11:32 AM
Spread O qbs always put up ridiculous stats....you almost have to throw those completely out of the pic when evaluating them b/c they play mostly from the shotgun and the offenses they play in spread the defense so thin, it allows for them to see the field better and make reads easier. It gives the appearance that they're good pocket passers when they're really not. In the event teams get after them, they're good enough athletes to get away. In other words, the offenses they run in college compliment their skill sets. That wont be the case in the nfl. They may have a package or 2 that will, but ultimately teams will corral you and make you beat them from the pocket and coaches are gonna make u run their systems .and most of these types of guys can't do it....At least consistently anyway.

Anyway, i see nothing out of Mariota to indicate he'll be any different from the likes of Blaine Gabbert, Kevin Kolb or even Kaepernick. Also spread O qbs with physical tools and measureables.

Blaine Gabbert
Kevin Kolb

You are profiling him because of his offense. I understand the temptation, because most spread QB's that have come out recently have flamed out in the NFL. However, those guys you are listing couldn't operate their offense without a clean pocket. The difference with Kaepernick being that he could escape pressure with his legs.

Mariota can escape as well, but he is also better against pressure than any other QB I've watched this year. Sure his offense gets guys open for him, but he's playing with backup OT's and under constant pressure and still hitting the right guys on every play. Can he run an NFL offense or read NFL defenses? We won't know until he starts playing NFL football. But he has proven that he can win in the pocket and that's a huge difference from other recent spread QB's.

ObsiWan
11-03-2014, 11:34 AM
Spread O qbs always put up ridiculous stats....you almost have to throw those completely out of the pic when evaluating them b/c they play mostly from the shotgun and the offenses they play in spread the defense so thin, it allows for them to see the field better and make reads easier. It gives the appearance that they're good pocket passers when they're really not. In the event teams get after them, they're good enough athletes to get away. In other words, the offenses they run in college compliment their skill sets. That wont be the case in the nfl. They may have a package or 2 that will, but ultimately teams will corral you and make you beat them from the pocket and coaches are gonna make u run their systems .and most of these types of guys can't do it....At least consistently anyway.

Anyway, i see nothing out of Mariota to indicate he'll be any different from the likes of Blaine Gabbert, Kevin Kolb or even Kaepernick. Also spread O qbs with physical tools and measureables.

Blaine Gabbert
Kevin Kolb
Not defending Mariota but I have an issue with this statement. If a coach doesn't have a system that matches well with Mariota's skillset and experience, then that's on that coach.

I could see Chip Kelly taking him and grooming him to be Nick Foles' replacement. Same with Sean Payton; I mean, how much longer will Drew keep playing?

So I understand your point, but there are teams where Mariota would work well.

Mr teX
11-03-2014, 01:15 PM
Not defending Mariota but I have an issue with this statement. If a coach doesn't have a system that matches well with Mariota's skillset and experience, then that's on that coach.

I could see Chip Kelly taking him and grooming him to be Nick Foles' replacement. Same with Sean Payton; I mean, how much longer will Drew keep playing?

So I understand your point, but there are teams where Mariota would work well.

imo, u should be looking for a "1 size fits all" type...not one that can only really flourish and live up to their talents if they're in the right offense. Those one size fits all guys are usually polished pocket passers and It's why immensely talented guys like Kaepernick just look ok, instead of them playing up to their talent level and dominating the league. This is the fundamental problem and it's why most of these types of guys don't make it. I won't rule him succeeding out, but I doubt he plays up to where he's going to be drafted

Playoffs
01-12-2015, 01:58 PM
Darren Rovell ‏@darrenrovell
Oregon landed Marcus Mariota after a QB from Texas changed his commitment saying he wanted to be closer to home. Name? Johnny Manziel

Corrosion
01-12-2015, 02:02 PM
Not defending Mariota but I have an issue with this statement. If a coach doesn't have a system that matches well with Mariota's skillset and experience, then that's on that coach.

I could see Chip Kelly taking him and grooming him to be Nick Foles' replacement. Same with Sean Payton; I mean, how much longer will Drew keep playing?

So I understand your point, but there are teams where Mariota would work well.

I couldn't see Kelly taking him today to be Foles' replacement .... He's a good young QB who's performed very well.

Now if Foles' were a 10-12 year veteran .... Yeah. (see Drew Brees)

Hookem Horns
01-12-2015, 08:09 PM
I couldn't see Kelly taking him today to be Foles' replacement .... He's a good young QB who's performed very well.

Now if Foles' were a 10-12 year veteran .... Yeah. (see Drew Brees)

Foles was really struggling before he got injured. I don't think the Eagles are very content right now with the QB position.

TexansFTW
01-13-2015, 09:15 AM
Mariota the beast, lol. Let the Titans have this buster. If he came into the league 3 years ago he might have had a 3 year window to become great, but the NFL has caught up to QBs that can't climb a pocket and go through progressions.

Ohio State is the closest thing they've seen to a pro defense all year and after the first quarter those 1 look hot reads were taken away and thus so was a lot of the effectiveness of Mariota.

He still had a decent to good game, I obviously don't count that pick against him at the end, but this guy just has too much Kaepernick look to me for me to truly get behind him. BTW, Kaep is 10 pounds heavier at the same height.

Mr teX
01-13-2015, 01:32 PM
I went into this game looking for him to prove me wrong regarding my thoughts about him & instead he pretty much validated everything i said in this thread. He looked like i thought he'd look once a talented & well coached team got after him.......average. Mostly everyone he hit on pass plays were wide open due to good play design and/or formationing but if you were to look at his stats by themselves, it looks like he was dealing. I like his poise and measureables, but beyond that, i'm not seeing him as this super prospect. He's right in line with all these other spread offense guys from the past that everyone said was gonna be so much different than the last.

Take away their legs and they don't really know what to do..so used to being able to run away from everything.

Playoffs
01-14-2015, 02:34 PM
Chris Mortensen ‏@mortreport
Heisman Trophy winner Marcus Mariota will announce today that he is indeed turning pro, eligible for 2015 NFL draft, per sources.

Blake
01-15-2015, 12:30 PM
The Bucs can go ahead and start printing up those jerseys. To me this is almost as much of a slam dunk as Luck to Colts.

TexansFTW
01-15-2015, 01:40 PM
The Bucs can go ahead and start printing up those jerseys. To me this is almost as much of a slam dunk as Luck to Colts.

I think you're right it happens, I gotta disagree about the slam dunk thing though. I bet this is gonna be VERY hotly debated throughout the draft buildup.

JB
01-15-2015, 08:39 PM
The Bucs can go ahead and start printing up those jerseys. To me this is almost as much of a slam dunk as Luck to Colts.

hmm, the southern lad or the foreigner...

yeah some tough choice... :kitten:

ObsiWan
01-16-2015, 12:10 AM
The Bucs can go ahead and start printing up those jerseys. To me this is almost as much of a slam dunk as Luck to Colts.

Suppose Mariota screws the pooch at the combine or just simply decides he doesn't need to participate while Winston participates and shines? Would you still think Mariota goes 1-1?

I ask because I don't think it's a done deal until the combine is over.

Texian
01-16-2015, 03:49 AM
i ask because i don't think it's a done deal until the pro days are over.

fify

Corrosion
01-16-2015, 05:26 AM
The Bucs can go ahead and start printing up those jerseys. To me this is almost as much of a slam dunk as Luck to Colts.

Not so fast ....


They could easily take the more "ready to play" Winston. Despite his off the field problems , he's the "prototype" and would be ready to go game one while Mariota likely needs to carry a clip board for a while.

I don't like Winston .... But he is likely the better (physical) prospect right now as a Quarterback.

Blake
01-16-2015, 08:45 AM
Suppose Mariota screws the pooch at the combine or just simply decides he doesn't need to participate while Winston participates and shines? Would you still think Mariota goes 1-1?

I ask because I don't think it's a done deal until the combine is over.

Not so fast ....


They could easily take the more "ready to play" Winston. Despite his off the field problems , he's the "prototype" and would be ready to go game one while Mariota likely needs to carry a clip board for a while.

I don't like Winston .... But he is likely the better (physical) prospect right now as a Quarterback.

Winston's off the field issues are reason enough not to sink #1 overall money on him.

To me, Mariota is the superior prospect. His athleticism and maturity are a big selling point for him. A willingness to learn and be a sponge is what coaches want. Not someone they have to babysit.

TexansFTW
01-16-2015, 08:48 AM
The greatest thing Mariota did was win the Heismann his last year he played in college so he didn't have to be overly scrutinized every single time he went to a bar or made a joke during his last year in college.

bah007
01-16-2015, 09:22 AM
The greatest thing Mariota did was win the Heismann his last year he played in college so he didn't have to be overly scrutinized every single time he went to a bar or made a joke during his last year in college.

Or, more accurately, Mariota never put himself into positions where he could be scrutinized and criticized. Winston did. Regardless of whether or not that scrutiny was over the top, Winston is still the one who put himself in those positions.

PapaL
01-16-2015, 09:27 AM
And unlike Mariota, he led his team to a championship the year he won his Heisman. So yeah, there's always that.

bah007
01-16-2015, 09:34 AM
I find it comical that the majority of people are unable to judge Mariota or Winston as prospects without comparing them to each other. That by itself shows flawed reasoning in the evaluation process.

Winston's performances should have absolutely zero effect on the way that you grade Mariota, and vice versa.

HOU-TEX
01-16-2015, 10:15 AM
Suppose Mariota screws the pooch at the combine or just simply decides he doesn't need to participate while Winston participates and shines? Would you still think Mariota goes 1-1?

I ask because I don't think it's a done deal until the combine is over.

The Combine and Pro Days are nothing but glorified dog & pony shows for the NFL to make that $. I think the only things teams look at during those days are weigh-ins, physicals and interviews. The rest is fluff to them and eye candy to the media/fans

The film will, and should always, be the tell tale for NFL teams.

All that said, I still watch them :)

Texian
01-16-2015, 01:54 PM
The Combine and Pro Days are nothing but glorified dog & pony shows for the NFL to make that $. I think the only things teams look at during those days are weigh-ins, physicals and interviews. The rest is fluff to them and eye candy to the media/fans

The film will, and should always, be the tell tale for NFL teams.

All that said, I still watch them :)

QB pro days are important to scouts. Gives them a chance to stand on the field and get up close and personal. Best way to see and judge ball velocity, spin, how quick ball comes out and all the things you can't see sitting in a press box, tape or TV.

PHILLYTEXANFAN
01-16-2015, 02:23 PM
on Philadelphia sports radio, there talking about sending 3 first and fletcher cox for mariota. which my buddies rebuttle was "if Chips gonna fail, at least have him fail with his guy"

PHILLYTEXANFAN
01-16-2015, 02:27 PM
Foles was really struggling before he got injured. I don't think the Eagles are very content right now with the QB position.

Ive been saying since Day 1 that Foles is not Chips guy, regardless of performance. But since his "QB type" was not available, Foles became the starter by default.

Mollywhopper
01-16-2015, 03:09 PM
The Combine and Pro Days are nothing but glorified dog & pony shows for the NFL to make that $. I think the only things teams look at during those days are weigh-ins, physicals and interviews. The rest is fluff to them and eye candy to the media/fans

The film will, and should always, be the tell tale for NFL teams.

All that said, I still watch them :)

Scouts and GMs have been gleaning information from pro days & the combine since well before it became a made for tv event. I agree that film should be the cornerstone of a players eval, just the investment teams make toward these kids begs every bit of juice that can be squeezed.

Heard the Bucs ex-GM Mark Dominik talk about interviewing qb's. He said they would have the qb coach first interview the kid, asking his opinion of a down & distance scenario, then Dominik would come in the room and ask for a few minutes from the kid. After they were done and returned to the original room the qb coach would immediately ask the kid his opinion from the scenario they left off from to see how quickly he could recall and process his take on it.

Of course, then he'd probably ask something absurd like whether he'd rather make out with a giraffe or a walrus, just to see how he responds. Fargin mind games.

Lucky
01-16-2015, 03:20 PM
scouts and gms have been overreacting to pro days & the combine since well before it became a made for tv event.
fify

ObsiWan
01-16-2015, 03:46 PM
Ive been saying since Day 1 that Foles is not Chips guy, regardless of performance. But since his "QB type" was not available, Foles became the starter by default.

So what is a Chip-type QB... or rather who is?

Lucky
01-16-2015, 06:17 PM
So what is a Chip-type QB... or rather who is?
At Oregon, Kelly had dual threat QBs. Which is why when he went to Philly, everyone thought Vick would be a great fit. Vick flamed out, and Kelly has gone with not as mobile guys like Foles and Sanchez, since. If you could draw up a QB for Kelly's offense, he would look exactly like Mariota.

badboy
01-16-2015, 06:34 PM
on Philadelphia sports radio, there talking about sending 3 first and fletcher cox for mariota. which my buddies rebuttle was "if Chips gonna fail, at least have him fail with his guy"
I'd take the three firsts and Cox.

Lucky
01-16-2015, 06:47 PM
I'd take the three firsts and Cox.
Looking back on Philly's last 4 drafts:
2014 - Marcus Smith
2013 - Lane Johnson
2012 - Fletcher Cox
2011 - Danny Watkins

Yeah, I'd give up that for Mariota.

thunderkyss
01-16-2015, 06:57 PM
At Oregon, Kelly had dual threat QBs. Which is why when he went to Philly, everyone thought Vick would be a great fit. Vick flamed out, and Kelly has gone with not as mobile guys like Foles and Sanchez, since. If you could draw up a QB for Kelly's offense, he would look exactly like Mariota.

From what you've seen of O'Brien's history, do you think he's interested in Mariota?

kingtexan
01-16-2015, 07:43 PM
From what you've seen of O'Brien's history, do you think he's interested in Mariota?

Hope not. He is a weaker armed, slower Cap. Will be a good back-up for a long time in the league though.

thunderkyss
01-16-2015, 08:15 PM
Hope not. He is a weaker armed, slower Cap. Will be a good back-up for a long time in the league though.

Do you mean "weaker armed, slower Cap" in a Tom Brady-ish sort of way?

TexansFTW
01-16-2015, 08:33 PM
The Combine and Pro Days are nothing but glorified dog & pony shows for the NFL to make that $. I think the only things teams look at during those days are weigh-ins, physicals and interviews. The rest is fluff to them and eye candy to the media/fans

The film will, and should always, be the tell tale for NFL teams.

All that said, I still watch them :)

No way dude, Texian is correct. They mean a hell of a lot more than that. If it was all about "film" Teddy B would have gone top 5 last year. He had the best "film" by a mile.

Lucky
01-16-2015, 09:12 PM
From what you've seen of O'Brien's history, do you think he's interested in Mariota?
The Texans aren't going to make a deal like that. There have been few deals like that in league history, and most have failed. I just wanted to show how 4 1st round picks can seem like a lot on the surface, but not be as valuable as you might think.

PHILLYTEXANFAN
01-16-2015, 09:43 PM
So what is a Chip-type QB... or rather who is?
Mobile... But that's just my 2 cents

Playoffs
01-16-2015, 10:29 PM
So what is a Chip-type QB... or rather who is?

Kelly's offense is about spreading you out and attacking multiple areas of the field on each play. QB needs to be able to process information quickly and be an attack option. Above average arm, decent accuracy, mobile to keep defense honest on read-option and extend plays to open up receivers. But video game mind for when they go quick.

A full compliment gives them 5+ options. Limits takes an option away. Foles is a minus runner with not so great accuracy despite his gaudy 2013 TD/INT #s. Less options, easier to defend.

Still, doesn't make business sense to me to give up 3+ picks/players. But I'm not Chip Kelly. I think he'll be a very interesting guy to follow in this draft.

thunderkyss
01-16-2015, 10:46 PM
The Texans aren't going to make a deal like that. There have been few deals like that in league history, and most have failed. I just wanted to show how 4 1st round picks can seem like a lot on the surface, but not be as valuable as you might think.

I was just wondering if you thought Mariota was OB's type?

Lucky
01-16-2015, 10:54 PM
I was just wondering if you thought Mariota was OB's type?

I don't think we know O'Brien's type yet. If he likes a QB with a lot of talent then I think he would like Mariota.

Runner
01-16-2015, 11:05 PM
I don't think we know O'Brien's type yet. If he likes a QB with a lot of talent then I think he would like Mariota.

However, we do know Mariota isn't much of this board's type of quarterback.

thunderkyss
01-16-2015, 11:13 PM
I don't think we know O'Brien's type yet. If he likes a QB with a lot of talent then I think he would like Mariota.

I'm pretty sure he's old school & while he's not a stickler for height I think he'd be more of a stickler for the mechanical fundamentals. Taking snaps from under center... footwork, timing, throwing to a spot.

I don't think he'll be any more interested in Mariota than he was in Bridgewater.

beerlover
01-17-2015, 02:39 AM
I'm pretty sure he's old school & while he's not a stickler for height I think he'd be more of a stickler for the mechanical fundamentals. Taking snaps from under center... footwork, timing, throwing to a spot.

I don't think he'll be any more interested in Mariota than he was in Bridgewater.

funny cause I would think both are coaches dreams to groom into their franchise QB. Inexperience more than anything led to disastrous miscalculation of last years QB class with Savage as back-up plan than Mallet white knight.

thunderkyss
01-17-2015, 05:38 AM
funny cause I would think both are coaches dreams to groom into their franchise QB. Inexperience more than anything led to disastrous miscalculation of last years QB class with Savage as back-up plan than Mallet white knight.

If I thought that, I would think we are likely to take a QB in rounds 1 or 2 in this year's draft; Hundley, Hogan, Petty? Grayson? All coaches dreams imo.

kingtexan
01-17-2015, 06:31 AM
Do you mean "weaker armed, slower Cap" do you mean in a Tom Brady-ish sort of way?

No. More like a system guy who has attributes but not those of a top notch NFL starter. We wont know until he takes pro snaps but I don't see that special quality. That intangible that separates Brady from someone like Dalton or even Cutler. They have skills ... just not Brady skills.

Lucky
01-17-2015, 07:48 AM
I'm pretty sure he's old school & while he's not a stickler for height I think he'd be more of a stickler for the mechanical fundamentals. Taking snaps from under center... footwork, timing, throwing to a spot.

I don't think he'll be any more interested in Mariota than he was in Bridgewater.
It's just complete speculation. But if O'Brien is looking for a guy that can take a snap under center, he's going to have a difficult time discerning that from tape. College offenses are run from the shotgun/pistol at an overwhelming rate.

WolverineFan
01-17-2015, 11:11 AM
It's just complete speculation. But if O'Brien is looking for a guy that can take a snap under center, he's going to have a difficult time discerning that from tape. College offenses are run from the shotgun/pistol at an overwhelming rate.

Pro offenses are starting to become that way as well though. Plenty of NFL teams are in the shotgun close to 50% of the time these days.

The Pats, Broncos, and Packers are rarely under center. They also have elite QB's who can handle the offense though.

Playoffs
01-17-2015, 12:14 PM
Pro offenses are starting to become that way as well though. Plenty of NFL teams are in the shotgun close to 50% of the time these days.

The Pats, Broncos, and Packers are rarely under center. They also have elite QB's who can handle the offense though.

Kevin Seifert @KevinSeifertESPN
Startling figures for project I’m in...

2006: 69.4 pct of QB dropbacks came from under center.
2014: 21.9. Nearly 4 of 5 in shotgun/pistol.


Only 22% of snaps in 2014 NFL came from under center.

Trying to get Texans breakdown.

infantrycak
01-17-2015, 12:45 PM
Only 22% of snaps in 2014 NFL came from under center.

I think that stat is off some. Under center:

Manning 19%
Brady 34%
Brees 31%
Big Ben 28%
Romo 24%
Wilson 25%
Eli 23%
Bortles 21%
Carr 29%
Luck 30%

Playoffs
01-17-2015, 01:45 PM
I think that stat is off some. Under center:

May be dropbacks -- to pass -- vs. plays, pass/run. I've requested more info from him.

ObsiWan
01-18-2015, 05:27 PM
I think that stat is off some. Under center:

Manning 19%
Brady 34%
Brees 31%
Big Ben 28%
Romo 24%
Wilson 25%
Eli 23%
Bortles 21%
Carr 29%
Luck 30%

Don't see Chip Kelly's QBs in here. Wonder how that affected the league average?

aussie_texan
01-19-2015, 12:26 AM
Pro offenses are starting to become that way as well though. Plenty of NFL teams are in the shotgun close to 50% of the time these days.

The Pats, Broncos, and Packers are rarely under center. They also have elite QB's who can handle the offense though.

the difference is, how many times in college compared to the NFL do QBs fake to their RB before passing. mariota does this all the time.

its not some much about being in the shotgun or under centre but actually playing like an NFL QB

Marshall
01-19-2015, 07:47 AM
The greatest thing Mariota did was win the Heismann his last year he played in college so he didn't have to be overly scrutinized every single time he went to a bar or made a joke during his last year in college.

You know, you can live life without going to bars.

Texian
01-19-2015, 09:43 PM
No way dude, Texian is correct. They mean a hell of a lot more than that. If it was all about "film" Teddy B would have gone top 5 last year. He had the best "film" by a mile.

Yep, if you're sitting in the press box watching Billy Wagner throw 105 MPH and then move to the dugout, that 105 MPH pitch is a completely different pitch.

Uncle Rico
01-25-2015, 03:35 PM
Every other NFL team better hope that Chip Kelly doesnt find a way to get Mariota on the Eagles.

Playoffs
01-26-2015, 10:49 AM
Rotoworld @Rotoworld
Mariota has a sprained AC joint, no Combine? http://t.co/jFEgb6LIOv

Why he missed Senior Bowl.

WolverineFan
01-26-2015, 04:19 PM
Not surprising when you think about it. He was obviously injured after that hit in the title game even if Oregon didn't come out and announce the specific injury. Landed really hard on that right shoulder with a defender on top of him.