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beerlover
11-28-2013, 09:36 PM
Texans own rights to #1 overall selection because of hard earned ineptitude this season both on & off the field. Stay tuned. But as of now this is where we are.

with the first overall selection in the 2014 NFL Draft the Houston Texans Select

1st. Teddy Bridgwater, QB, Louisville, 6030 220
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/dam/assets/130815103459-teddy-bridgewater-single-image-cut.jpg
The most sure fire franchise QB in this draft.

2nd. Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennessee, 6060 332
http://nexteranfl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/AntonioRichardson.jpg
First round talent who can assimilate RT as well as pass rushers.

3rd. DaQuan Jones, NT, Penn State, 6030 333
http://onwardstate.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/999463_10152513176285663_883944847_n.jpg
Dominant inside force, could replace or rotate w/Mitchell depending on free agency.

4th. Greg Blair, ILB, Cincinnati, 6010 251
http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/894/105/6_1105894.jpg
Upgrade over Sharpton, immediate help inside to relieve pressure off Cushing.

5th. Tyler Gaffney, RB, Stanford, 6010 226
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/dam/assets/130405092955-tyler-gaffney-top1-single-image-cut.jpg
Very good blocker, good possession back, polished & smart.

6th. CJ Barnett, FS, Ohio State, 6000 203
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C+J+Barnett+Ohio+State+v+Nebraska+CoaM5ataOJbl.jpg
Depth, can play either safety positions, big wingspan & special team talent infusion.

7th. Solomon Patton, WR/Retuner, Florida, 5090 171

Burner to return kickoffs can also stretch the field as WR adds depth/talent to special teams. Imagine slightly bigger version of Trindon Holliday. He once ran the 40-yard dash in 4.27 seconds. Another time, Patton defeated Pro Bowl wide receiver Julio Jones of the Atlanta Falcons in a 100-meter high school track race. When I think of Florida Football I think of athletic freaks, & Patton fits the mold.

kiwitexansfan
11-28-2013, 09:41 PM
Not really too sure on players yet, but like the positional mix.

Might take a OLB in the 5th over a RB though.

aussie_texan
11-28-2013, 10:05 PM
really like this draft.
Im not to in love with bridgewater as some but i understand the pick.

you address and prioritise the trenches and ILB which for me is the real concern for this team, like this a lot!

gaffney is a 'back that i would like us to have with the loss of tate. foster and johnson offer something and gaffney offers that bigger bodied back that this team will need.

last 2 picks help out special teams which is a must for this team.

By only disagreement is no TE (which is probably getting old for other posters as i keep beating this dead horse lol) and instead of a Safety i would like a CB. Harris and Mccain are terrible and Jjo is not playing to his contract also Kjax will be an upcoming free agent next year. We have 2 young safeties who are playing decent (really like the development of Keo) and manning hopefully comes back, i don't think we need another young safety ... but this is just my opinion.

Overall excellent mock and very similar to something i would do in my future one

steelbtexan
11-28-2013, 10:12 PM
Dont like Bridgewater at 1-1.

Otherwise I like the picks.

Patton and Gaffney represent great value at the spots they were picked. Dont know if Richardson will be there at 2-1.

badboy
11-28-2013, 10:37 PM
Texans own rights to #1 overall selection because of hard earned ineptitude this season both on & off the field. Stay tuned. But as of now this is where we are.

with the first overall selection in the 2014 NFL Draft the Houston Texans Select

1st. Teddy Bridgwater, QB, Louisville, 6030 220
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/dam/assets/130815103459-teddy-bridgewater-single-image-cut.jpg
The most sure fire franchise QB in this draft.

2nd. Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennessee, 6060 332
http://nexteranfl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/AntonioRichardson.jpg
First round talent who can assimilate RT as well as pass rushers.

3rd. DaQuan Jones, NT, Penn State, 6030 333
http://onwardstate.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/999463_10152513176285663_883944847_n.jpg
Dominant inside force, could replace or rotate w/Mitchell depending on free agency.

4th. Greg Blair, ILB, Cincinnati, 6010 251
http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/894/105/6_1105894.jpg
Upgrade over Sharpton, immediate help inside to relieve pressure off Cushing.

5th. Tyler Gaffney, RB, Stanford, 6010 226
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/dam/assets/130405092955-tyler-gaffney-top1-single-image-cut.jpg
Very good blocker, good possession back, polished & smart.

6th. CJ Barnett, FS, Ohio State, 6000 203
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C+J+Barnett+Ohio+State+v+Nebraska+CoaM5ataOJbl.jpg
Depth, can play either safety positions, big wingspan & special team talent infusion.

7th. Solomon Patton, WR/Retuner, Florida, 5090 171

Burner to return kickoffs can also stretch the field as WR adds depth/talent to special teams. Imagine slightly bigger version of Trindon Holliday. He once ran the 40-yard dash in 4.27 seconds. Another time, Patton defeated Pro Bowl wide receiver Julio Jones of the Atlanta Falcons in a 100-meter high school track race. When I think of Florida Football I think of athletic freaks, & Patton fits the mold.I'd be okay with Bridgewater but really hope a trade down. I think Matthews is more of a guarantee than any QB but getting Richardson is solid and I like the combination of 1 & 2. Not a fan of DaQuan, would you consider Shelton or Carrethers?

Your thoughts on Barnett falling so far? He is pretty much rated late third to 4th round.

beerlover
11-28-2013, 10:49 PM
Happy Thanksgiving gang :ant: glad you enjoyed this latest edition!

Bridgewater has the highest ceiling @ the most coveted position, QB, so really Texans cannot afford to miss a possible kill for a franchise that has suffered immeasurably because of horrific QB performance since inception. Not too worried about which OT just that after taking a franchise QB they get him best possible protection with next pick. Time to address nose tackle, cannot continue to be soft up the middle, hence also adding beefy ILB w/next pick (really not sure he lasts though). After Tate leaves & Foster coming off IR how can anyone justify not addressing RB in the draft? Manning coming off IR is also a concern, cannot go forward with just Swearinger/Keo duo. would like to address earlier but QB his protection, someone to block & carry the rock as well improve the middle of Texan defense too important to bypass. Backend help in secondary as well as a dynamic kick returner would really shore up some obvious weak areas on this team.

beerlover
11-28-2013, 11:10 PM
I'd be okay with Bridgewater but really hope a trade down. I think Matthews is more of a guarantee than any QB but getting Richardson is solid and I like the combination of 1 & 2. Not a fan of DaQuan, would you consider Shelton or Carrethers?

Your thoughts on Barnett falling so far? He is pretty much rated late third to 4th round.

If Texans have a higher grade on Barnett than Gaffney I would have no problem flipping them. Gaffney will be gone somewhere in 5th or earlier so look for next best fundamentally sound football player same position. Has anyone seen this Jordan Lynch, Northern Illinois play? He is such a solid kid, I think he could stick on an NFL roster @ RB. He is 4th in the nation running, averaging 146.25 yards per game on 7.08 yards per carry. He could also be emergency QB, so Texans would only have to carry two Keenum/Bridgewater on roster. He is 6000 215.

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/11/7923700.jpg

Honoring Earl 34
11-28-2013, 11:33 PM
Nice ... I like Teddy so far and a giant RT is good . An ILB and RB are must also . Jordan Lynch is a football player and could possibly fit somewhere .

bhsman
11-28-2013, 11:52 PM
I don't really see Lynch as anything more than Collin Klein in a weaker conference.

Honoring Earl 34
11-28-2013, 11:55 PM
I don't really see Lynch as anything more than Collin Klein in a weaker conference.

I think it matters what he runs on how versatile he could be .

Corrosion
11-29-2013, 02:55 AM
One of if not the best mock Ive seen thus far.


The one thing I would change is ....


The closest thing to a sure fire franchise QB in this draft.

Im just not sold on ANY of these QB's being able to carry a team in the NFL - True "Franchise" quarterbacks .... If there is one , its likely Bridgewater or Manziel but the latter comes with too much risk.

leebigeztx
11-29-2013, 05:52 AM
I like the mock. I'm still amused at the people who aren't buying into the biggest whole a team can have. Even if you're a skeptic on bridgewater, just watch his throws,pocket presence,and poise. I mean,there isn't anything that says he can't or won't be a franchise qb. Could he be a bust? Sure,but so could any of the top prospects. Jake matthews won't have a higher grade than jockel and how did he play as a rookie? I mean, we're talking 21 yr old kids. It took luck all of 1 yr to be the best qb in the division and its not like he's playing well. When was the last time schaub or any other texans qb beat teams the caliber of sea,49ers,and broncos?

infantrycak
11-29-2013, 09:55 AM
It took luck all of 1 yr to be the best qb in the division and its not like he's playing well. When was the last time schaub or any other texans qb beat teams the caliber of sea,49ers,and broncos?

Love the double standard. Luck is winning games single handedly even if his come from behind wins are due to throwing picks but Schaub didn't beat the Broncos, Ravens or Colts last year throwing 7 TDs and 1 INT.

Honoring Earl 34
11-29-2013, 10:04 AM
Love the double standard. Luck is winning games single handedly even if his come from behind wins are due to throwing picks but Schaub didn't beat the Broncos, Ravens or Colts last year throwing 7 TDs and 1 INT.

To me Luck is the guy who bats 265 but has 35 homers and gets the timely hits . Nobody remembers him striking out in the 3rd inning because it doesn't matter if you win .

Rey
11-29-2013, 10:07 AM
I've gone from bridgewater clowney to bridgewater Barr.

I think if we get the first pick we should go bridgewater. If we get a lower pick and bridgewater is gone, I'd go Barr easily.

Not a johnny manziel fan.

Don't know a lot about all the players you picked, but I'm a fan of bridgewater to the Texans.

Honoring Earl 34
11-29-2013, 10:19 AM
I've gone from bridgewater clowney to bridgewater Barr.

I think if we get the first pick we should go bridgewater. If we get a lower pick and bridgewater is gone, I'd go Barr easily.

Not a johnny manziel fan.

Don't know a lot about all the players you picked, but I'm a fan of bridgewater to the Texans.

QB is the biggest component for a perennial contender . If you have a chance to get one you have to take it . Even if it's 50/50 that he's a bust , what's the odds of getting Tom Brady in the 6th round or Kurt Warner out of the NFL Europe ?

Newest Walter Mock

http://walterfootball.com/draft2014charlie.php

Playoffs
11-29-2013, 10:49 AM
Like the draft, but...

(there's always a "but", isn't there?)

With Mercilus rated 32nd/42 3-4 OLBs by PFF (http://www.profootballfocus.com/) and Brooks Reeds solidly dead last 42nd/42 3-4 OLBs(>25% snaps)... and on pass rush grade alone Mercilus drops to 39th/42 and Reed stays 42nd/42...

I think OLB must be addressed early.


Newest Walter Mock

http://walterfootball.com/draft2014charlie.phpWe're number.....1? :hankpalm:

Gotta like this...
Bridgewater has completed 71 percent of his passes this year for 3,268 yards with 25 touchdowns and three interceptions....Bridgewater can get into stretches where he is utterly unstoppable.... He also has the reputation of possessing ideal intangibles as a great worker and film junkie.

badboy
11-29-2013, 11:42 AM
I like the mock. I'm still amused at the people who aren't buying into the biggest whole a team can have. Even if you're a skeptic on bridgewater, just watch his throws,pocket presence,and poise. I mean,there isn't anything that says he can't or won't be a franchise qb. Could he be a bust? Sure,but so could any of the top prospects. Jake matthews won't have a higher grade than jockel and how did he play as a rookie? I mean, we're talking 21 yr old kids. It took luck all of 1 yr to be the best qb in the division and its not like he's playing well. When was the last time schaub or any other texans qb beat teams the caliber of sea,49ers,and broncos?Well how did he play? He played right tackle (as we expect Matthews to do) for September then moved to LT when Monroe was traded. Joeckel played one game then ended season next game injuring ankle. Not much to evaluate, right?

badboy
11-29-2013, 11:47 AM
Like the draft, but...

(there's always a "but", isn't there?)

With Mercilus rated 32nd/42 3-4 OLBs by PFF (http://www.profootballfocus.com/) and Brooks Reeds solidly dead last 42nd/42 3-4 OLBs(>25% snaps)... and on pass rush grade alone Mercilus drops to 39th/42 and Reed stays 42nd/42...

I think OLB must be addressed early.


We're number.....1? :hankpalm:

Gotta like this...McCarron: 69% 2400 yds 23 TDs 5 INTs avg 8.66 per pass (Teddy 9.47) but the equalizer is AJ should be available third round. :kitten:

Honoring Earl 34
11-29-2013, 11:51 AM
McCarron: 69% 2400 yds 23 TDs 5 INTs avg 8.66 per pass (Teddy 9.47) but the equalizer is AJ should be available third round. :kitten:

If AJ is so good , why isn't he talked about going #1 ?

Texian
11-29-2013, 12:01 PM
I understand that Bridgewater is #1 on most media draft boards. However I am not convinced that will be the case with most NFL draft boards.

If Richardson is truly 1st RD talent which I agree and think he is also, he will be drafted in the 1st RD. Particularly true for a LT. Wishin and Hopin?

Always amazed why people think 340 lb fat man NT will be better than a 300 lb athletic DT. As long as Wade is DC and runs a 1 gap penetrating DT defense I don't think the Texans will ever draft a BIG 2 gap NT. That would be wasted draft pick regardless of how many fans think BIG is BETTER.

steelbtexan
11-29-2013, 12:04 PM
QB is the biggest component for a perennial contender . If you have a chance to get one you have to take it . Even if it's 50/50 that he's a bust , what's the odds of getting Tom Brady in the 6th round or Kurt Warner out of the NFL Europe ?

Newest Walter Mock

http://walterfootball.com/draft2014charlie.php

Lets just go down the same path as the Texans did with Carr. I swear, sometimes people never learn. BL addresses the OL in this mock but I doubt a guy like Richardson is going to fall to the 2nd rd. With that said, I would be all over Richardson in the 2nd regardless of who is taken in the 1st.

Honoring Earl 34
11-29-2013, 12:06 PM
I understand that Bridgewater is #1 on most media draft boards. However I am not convinced that will be the case with most NFL draft boards.

If Richardson is truly 1st RD talent which I agree and think he is also, he will be drafted in the 1st RD. Particularly true for a LT. Wishin and Hopin?

Always amazed why people think 340 lb fat man NT will be better than a 300 lb athletic DT. As long as Wade is DC and runs a 1 gap penetrating DT defense I don't think the Texans will ever draft a BIG 2 gap NT. That would be wasted draft pick regardless of how many fans think BIG is BETTER.

It's not just a 340 lb fat guy , it's an agile 340lb fat guy . Or as Bum Phillips said , " a big train will run over a small train every day " .

Texian
11-29-2013, 12:17 PM
It's not just a 340 lb fat guy , it's an agile 340lb fat guy . Or as Bum Phillips said , " a big train will run over a small train every day " .

Understood. However the stamina and game situations only allow for those BIG guys to be on the field for about 30% of D snaps. The game is transitioning to more of passing league so that means even less play for BIG 2 gap NTs. And as long as Wade wants 1 GAP penetrating DTs, BIG 2 GAP NTs will NOT be part of the equation regardless of how much the Girth lovers and believers want it to be so.

I think Bum was talking about Earl when he said that. 340 lb. Fat Guys don't do a lot of running, their value is standing their ground.

badboy
11-29-2013, 12:19 PM
If AJ is so good , why isn't he talked about going #1 ?You evidently have not followed him or read here on MB but many think he is a "system" QB in that his RB, WRs and O line are so good he does not have to win games on his own. We have two of those three + D.Brown and a very good ZBS center in Myers. Most fans agree with me that Brooks will be a very solid starter at RG and Quessenberry will start LG unless we draft a better option.

I have posted if McCarron and Bridgewater were the only two choices, I'd go the latter. But if I can get a starting OT say Matthews, Lewan, Kouandijo or
Antonio Richardson in first, a starting DE in second to replace A.Smith (Kony Ealy) and then McCarron in third, why not?

I am also ok with Bridgewater, A. Richardson (#33) and a NT in third as Beerlover has mocked. Preferably, I'd trade out of top three and get much more to use.

Honoring Earl 34
11-29-2013, 12:25 PM
Understood. However the stamina and game situations only allow for those BIG guys to be on the field for about 30% of D snaps. The game is transitioning to more of passing league so that means even less play for BIG 2 gap NTs. And as long as Wade wants 1 GAP penetrating DTs, BIG 2 GAP NTs will NOT be part of the equation regardless of how much the Girth lovers and believers want it to be so.

I think Bum was talking about Earl when he said that. 340 lb. Fat Guys don't do a lot of running, their value is standing their ground.

Nope ... it was an NFL films show about fat guys .

Haloti Gnata goes about 350 .

Texian
11-29-2013, 12:32 PM
Nope ... it was an NFL films show about fat guys .

Haloti Gnata goes about 350 .

How many Vince Wilforks and Haloti Ngatatas are there? and play more than 30% of D snaps?

Honoring Earl 34
11-29-2013, 12:32 PM
You evidently have not followed him or read here on MB but many think he is a "system" QB in that his RB, WRs and O line are so good he does not have to win games on his own. We have two of those three + D.Brown and a very good ZBS center in Myers. Most fans agree with me that Brooks will be a very solid starter at RG and Quessenberry will start LG unless we draft a better option.

I have posted if McCarron and Bridgewater were the only two choices, I'd go the latter. But if I can get a starting OT say Matthews, Lewan, Kouandijo or
Antonio Richardson in first, a starting DE in second to replace A.Smith (Kony Ealy) and then McCarron in third, why not?

I am also ok with Bridgewater, A. Richardson (#33) and a NT in third as Beerlover has mocked. Preferably, I'd trade out of top three and get much more to use.

The Texans already have a system QB and it's not good enough . They need a guy who can make plays when it counts .

Quiz is gone if the go away from the ZBS so they need another guard just like they need a RT . I also think that you have a better chance that the Right tackle is on the roster with Williams but there is no guard prospect . Having said that , if Richardson was there in the 2nd I'd take him . Heck ... I might take Gabe Jackson in the 2nd to paid with Brooks . No more getting stugffed at the 2yd line .

steelbtexan
11-29-2013, 12:36 PM
I understand that Bridgewater is #1 on most media draft boards. However I am not convinced that will be the case with most NFL draft boards.

If Richardson is truly 1st RD talent which I agree and think he is also, he will be drafted in the 1st RD. Particularly true for a LT. Wishin and Hopin?

Always amazed why people think 340 lb fat man NT will be better than a 300 lb athletic DT. As long as Wade is DC and runs a 1 gap penetrating DT defense I don't think the Texans will ever draft a BIG 2 gap NT. That would be wasted draft pick regardless of how many fans think BIG is BETTER.

Wade should be gone along with everybody else including Rick in the offseason house cleaning. What infuriates me is all of the high draft picks that have been spent on the defense and the current lack of talent and depth on that side of the ball. Just another reason Rick must go.

Honoring Earl 34
11-29-2013, 12:44 PM
How many Vince Wilforks and Haloti Ngatatas are there? and play more than 30% of D snaps?

I'm not sure but I do know that before Vince , the pats had Teddy Washington ( who was bigger ) and won a SB .

Super Bowl fatties in modern times ...

Gnata
Wolfork
Washington
Raji
Hampton
Gilbert Brown
Linval Joseph
Adams
Siragusa

Texian
11-29-2013, 12:58 PM
I'm not sure but I do know that before Vince , the pats had Teddy Washington ( who was bigger ) and won a SB .

Super Bowl fatties in modern times ...

Gnata
Wolfork
Washington
Raji
Hampton
Gilbert Brown
Linval Joseph
Adams
Siragusa

Until the Texans adopt a fatty nt scheme, a fatty nt doesn't make sense.

steelbtexan
11-29-2013, 12:59 PM
The Texans already have a system QB and it's not good enough . They need a guy who can make plays when it counts .

Quiz is gone if the go away from the ZBS so they need another guard just like they need a RT . I also think that you have a better chance that the Right tackle is on the roster with Williams but there is no guard prospect . Having said that , if Richardson was there in the 2nd I'd take him . Heck ... I might take Gabe Jackson in the 2nd to paid with Brooks . No more getting stugffed at the 2yd line .

Nah, Quiz is over 300 lbs and can move. A very valuable swing OL at the very least. Hopefully Quiz has spent this season getting stronger and putting on 10-15 lbs of muscle. With the Texans S&C staff I've got my doubts.

I know the Texans have alot of holes. But wouldn't it be great if the Texans after trading down were able to draft Richardson and Richardson in rds 1-2 and use the extra picks to fix the defense. Draft McCarron/Murray in rds 3-5 and have an Olieresque OL (Munchack/Matthews) in front of the young QB. After seeing the Texans OL implode this yr, I think drafting this way is the fastest way to become a playoff contender again.

It worked for the Oilers and will work for the Texans. I just dont want to see the Texans repeat past mistakes. (Carr)

Texian
11-29-2013, 01:02 PM
Wade should be gone along with everybody else including Rick in the offseason house cleaning. What infuriates me is all of the high draft picks that have been spent on the defense and the current lack of talent and depth on that side of the ball. Just another reason Rick must go.

When you go back and look at the number of DBs that have been drafted and signed as FAs since Rick Smith began his tenure with the Texans it's an unbelievable large number. And it's a number that displays ineptitude at very high levels.

Honoring Earl 34
11-29-2013, 01:08 PM
Until the Texans adopt a fatty nt scheme, a fatty nt doesn't make sense.

I think the Texans are in a transition stage , so fat is in . The only time it's not is when your offense can run the opponent off the field and you can pin your ears back and go get them .

Texian
11-29-2013, 01:19 PM
I'm not sure but I do know that before Vince , the pats had Teddy Washington ( who was bigger ) and won a SB .

Super Bowl fatties in modern times ...

Gnata
Wolfork
Washington
Raji
Hampton
Gilbert Brown
Linval Joseph
Adams
Siragusa

The one name you missed that might be in the Wilfork Ngata class is Lotulelei

steelbtexan
11-29-2013, 02:03 PM
When you go back and look at the number of DBs that have been drafted and signed as FAs since Rick Smith began his tenure with the Texans it's an unbelievable large number. And it's a number that displays ineptitude at very high levels.

Sad part is drafting DB's should be in Rick's wheelhouse. He played DB at Purdue.

JB
11-29-2013, 02:20 PM
Sad part is drafting DB's should be in Rick's wheelhouse. H played DB at Purdue.

And that is why it's been such a huge failure...

He thinks he knows more than the scouts, mediocre as they may be

badboy
11-29-2013, 02:43 PM
The Texans already have a system QB and it's not good enough . They need a guy who can make plays when it counts .

Quiz is gone if the go away from the ZBS so they need another guard just like they need a RT . I also think that you have a better chance that the Right tackle is on the roster with Williams but there is no guard prospect . Having said that , if Richardson was there in the 2nd I'd take him . Heck ... I might take Gabe Jackson in the 2nd to paid with Brooks . No more getting stugffed at the 2yd line .I have Gabe Jackson with second pick in second round. He is awesome and had good game last night. Dude can pull and block with the best of them. Not sure why you believe Q cannot play offense if not ZBS?

If the coach or OC is calling right play, his QB should be able to make it work.

Honoring Earl 34
11-29-2013, 02:51 PM
I have Gabe Jackson with second pick in second round. He is awesome and had good game last night. Dude can pull and block with the best of them. Not sure why you believe Q cannot play offense if not ZBS?

If the coach or OC is calling right play, his QB should be able to make it work.

I think Ques was a TE , so I'm thinking he's not stout in the legs . That was an entertaining 4th quarter and OT last night with Miss State . Gabe is a good player .

steelbtexan
11-29-2013, 02:52 PM
And that is why it's been such a huge failure...

He thinks he knows more than the scouts, mediocre as they may be

Do you want somebody like this leading the org, hiring the new HC? Scary

JB
11-29-2013, 03:01 PM
Do you want somebody like this leading the org, hiring the new HC? Scary

Not me, he needs to open the door for Gary and follow him out

bhsman
11-29-2013, 03:04 PM
I'm just glad that neither of you are in a position to make a decision on Smith's being retained or not. :)

JB
11-29-2013, 03:22 PM
I'm just glad that neither of you are in a position to make a decision on Smith's being retained or not. :)

Because you think he's been doing such a great job?

bhsman
11-29-2013, 03:28 PM
Because you think he's been doing such a great job?

I know it's easier to sit here and make character assassinations on Smith, but looking at our drafts and how we compare to other teams, I wouldn't let him leave but for the second coming of Ozzie Smith.

JB
11-29-2013, 03:35 PM
I know it's easier to sit here and make character assassinations on Smith, but looking at our drafts and how we compare to other teams, I wouldn't let him leave but for the second coming of Ozzie Smith.

The draft is a small part of his duties and I don't think he has excelled anywhere, and think he takes a back seat to Gary in much of the decisions in all areas other than contracts

steelbtexan
11-29-2013, 04:19 PM
I'm just glad that neither of you are in a position to make a decision on Smith's being retained or not. :)

The fact that you think Rick is deserving of keeping his job either means

1. You dont watch much Texans football.
2. You're a Rick only fan
3. You believe Rick has nothing to do with the current state of the Texans on the feild product. Even though He's a GM of one of the most successful franchises in the NFL $$$$ wise. (You're kidding yourself)

badboy
11-29-2013, 04:50 PM
I think Ques was a TE , so I'm thinking he's not stout in the legs . That was an entertaining 4th quarter and OT last night with Miss State . Gabe is a good player ."Quessenberry (6-5, 307) is one of those talented guys. A versatile player, he has taken reps at nearly every position on the o-line (other than center) and can offer depth at both guard and tackle, the position he played in college." "I have played a couple of different positions and that has helped me understand these concepts of the offense and now I am pretty much locked into guard. I feel really comfortable out there."
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/David-Quessenberrys-versatility-huge-for-o-line/b9e4c0fe-48bc-4bfd-9e4e-8b0ff02a8b91


I agree he fits ZBS well but think with experience he can drive opponents. He is more of a tactitian similar perhaps to a Bruce Matthews who did well for a few years (19 & 14 pro bowls) at same size. He did okay in blocking in running game for somebody named Campbell.

bhsman
11-29-2013, 05:19 PM
The fact that you think Rick is deserving of keeping his job either means

1. You dont watch much Texans football.
2. You're a Rick only fan
3. You believe Rick has nothing to do with the current state of the Texans on the feild product. Even though He's a GM of one of the most successful franchises in the NFL $$$$ wise. (You're kidding yourself)

If someone calls you out for using personal attacks, the proper response is not to immediately commit personal attacks against that person, hope it helps.

JB
11-29-2013, 05:25 PM
I know it's easier to sit here and make character assassinations on Smith, but looking at our drafts and how we compare to other teams, I wouldn't let him leave but for the second coming of Ozzie Smith.

I never knew Ozzie Smith was involved in football

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drs23
11-29-2013, 05:32 PM
I never knew Ozzie Smith was involved in football

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I KNEW you'd catch that JB! :stirpot:

Good to see you posting again.

JB
11-29-2013, 05:35 PM
I KNEW you'd catch that JB! :stirpot:

Good to see you posting again.


:texanbill:

Honoring Earl 34
11-29-2013, 05:36 PM
I never knew Ozzie Smith was involved in football

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You prefer this one ?

http://www.metalinsider.net/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Ozzy-Osbourne.jpg

steelbtexan
11-29-2013, 05:39 PM
If someone calls you out for using personal attacks, the proper response is not to immediately commit personal attacks against that person, hope it helps.

Who am I calling out by using a personal attack? Who attacked me personally? I certainly didn't feel attacked personally, nor did I mean to attack you personally.

I did mean to raise these questions about how much Texans football you watch and how you can have such an allegiance to Rick Smith, when under his leadership the Texans currently are on track to have the worst record in the NFL? How can you possibly think Rick has done a creditable job this yr?

He's the reason this team is and will remain in cap hell for the next 2-3 yrs and this doesn't even mention his spotty draft record as evidenced by his lack of accumen when it comes to drafting the position he played in college.

To think you want a guy like this leading the franchise is what made me ask these questions. Sorry you took it personally. I certainly didn't mean to attack you. I'm not that kind of poster.

steelbtexan
11-29-2013, 05:41 PM
I KNEW you'd catch that JB! :stirpot:

Good to see you posting again.

Ditto

bhsman
11-29-2013, 05:45 PM
I never knew Ozzie Smith was involved in football

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Whoops, nice catch. :handshake:

Who am I calling out by using a personal attack? Who attacked me personally? I certainly didn't feel attacked personally, nor did I mean to attack you personally.

I did mean to raise these questions about how much Texans football you watch and how you can have such an allegiance to Rick Smith, when under his leadership the Texans currently are on track to have the worst record in the NFL? How can you possibly think Rick has done a creditable job this yr?

He's the reason this team is and will remain in cap hell for the next 2-3 yrs and this doesn't even mention his spotty draft record as evidenced by his lack of accumen when it comes to drafting the position he played in college.

To think you want a guy like this leading the franchise is what made me ask these questions. Sorry you took it personally. I certainly didn't mean to attack you. I'm not that kind of poster.

You're allowing the emotions to get the better of you this season; this is a team that just won the AFC South two years running, and with a rival team going over .500 at the same time. Pointing to Smith as the problem when rapidly-regressed QB play, being forced to start a UDFA at quarterback, freak injuries to starters and draft picks alike, etc., are far more to blame.

The Cowboys and Washington are in actual cap hell, not a perceived one.

Your immediate attempts to label me as someone who doesn't watch our team play or being a Rick Smith 'fan' are examples of personal attacks. Hope this helps.

Texian
11-29-2013, 06:03 PM
Whoops, nice catch. :handshake:



You're allowing the emotions to get the better of you this season; this is a team that just won the AFC South two years running, and with a rival team going over .500 at the same time. Pointing to Smith as the problem when rapidly-regressed QB play, being forced to start a UDFA at quarterback, freak injuries to starters and draft picks alike, etc., are far more to blame.

The Cowboys and Washington are in actual cap hell, not a perceived one.

Your immediate attempts to label me as someone who doesn't watch our team play or being a Rick Smith 'fan' are examples of personal attacks. Hope this helps.

For the last 2 years this team while losing a handful starters every year has only been able to replace lost contracts with vet minimums. Along w/ major spending and borrowing in 2011, Peyton's broken neck, Jeff Fisher's departure and a weak schedule enable Texans to make noticeable improvements in 11' & 12'. The Texans have started last 3 years w/o enough money to pay the minimum financial obligations and have borrowed from future every year in order to do do. That's Cap Hell. Rick Smith is Gary Kubiak's right hand man. Nothing more and is terribly inexperienced in matters of the NFL. That is understandable.

bhsman
11-29-2013, 06:18 PM
For the last 2 years this team while losing a handful starters every year has only been able to replace lost contracts with vet minimums. Along w/ major spending and borrowing in 2011, Peyton's broken neck, Jeff Fisher's departure and a weak schedule enable Texans to make noticeable improvements in 11' & 12'. The Texans have started last 3 years w/o enough money to pay the minimum financial obligations and have borrowed from future every year in order to do do. That's Cap Hell. Rick Smith is Gary Kubiak's right hand man. Nothing more and is terribly inexperienced in matters of the NFL. That is understandable.

See, I don't necessarily agree, but I appreciate that you said all this without accusing me of anything. :handshake:

steelbtexan
11-29-2013, 06:24 PM
Whoops, nice catch. :handshake:



You're allowing the emotions to get the better of you this season; this is a team that just won the AFC South two years running, and with a rival team going over .500 at the same time. Pointing to Smith as the problem when rapidly-regressed QB play, being forced to start a UDFA at quarterback, freak injuries to starters and draft picks alike, etc., are far more to blame.

The Cowboys and Washington are in actual cap hell, not a perceived one.

Your immediate attempts to label me as someone who doesn't watch our team play or being a Rick Smith 'fan' are examples of personal attacks. Hope this helps.

No emotions, Kubiak/Smith are tied at the hip. Both should go

Check out Texian post as example.

Poor example, Is it wrong to ask how much you watch the Texans play? I dont know you and was just asking a question. Dont wear your heart on your sleeve. Are you a Rick Smith fan? Is that Out of line?

Btw, the only reason the Redskins/Cowgirls are in cap hell is because they didn't adhere to the owners collusion polcy during the lockout and the owners gave the NFLPA some more $$$$ so the deal the NFLPA accepted didn't look as bad DeMaurice Smith's choice of hats.

steelbtexan
11-29-2013, 06:25 PM
See, I don't necessarily agree, but I appreciate that you said all this without accusing me of anything. :handshake:

Let the world know why you disagree.

Tell me again, what did I accuse you of? If this post was directed at me.

beerlover
12-06-2013, 07:39 PM
spare you the pics. heartbroken that Kubiak didn't realize his/our dream :kubepalm:

1st. Teddy Bridgwater, QB, Louisville, 6025 209

I'm going to change his measureables off eyeball test but that doesn't change anything in my mind & that is he will still be the #1 rated QB on most NFL Big Boards & QB is the Texans most dire need.

2nd. Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennessee, 6060 332

No fudging the numbers needed here, he is all that maybe more? with his intentions now public that he is coming out early he should be graded out in the 28-34 overall range. RT with a franchise rookie QB ascends quickly to #2 need.

3rd. Greg Blair, ILB, Cincinnati, 6005 248

Splitting hairs but you know he will be working hard to run a hard 40 time. He is ascending player, could break into 2nd rd. & alot of us are desperate to upgrade ILB position, regardless of Cushing production moving forward. Big bang for rookie in position helps return defense back to elite. Reminds me of Willis.

4th. Ryan Carrethers, NT, Arkansas State, 6010 328

Physical frontline enforcer who can engage a Center & Guard allowing more space for teammates to penetrate & disrupt offensive flow. Strong, durable does have a good motor to develop. Expect local player, Earl Mitchell to resign.

5th. CJ Barnett, FS, Ohio State, 6000 203

Ohio State in BCS against Florida State? Stay tuned. But after game in Jacksonville who could blame me for bumping up Safety position. Space eater with range who is clean & willing hard worker.

6th. Antonio Andrews, RB/KR, Western Kentucky, 5-11 212

SEC battle tested went to combination back/returner. Leeds the nation in all purpose yardage with 218.3 yards per game. Use 7th in combination with 6th to move back up into 5th which Rick Smith has been known to do & this is optimum value pick. Also like to say Dennis Johnson is a nice developmental back in rotation.

7th. Rashaad Reynolds, CB, Oregon State, 5-10 187

Beavers are under rated :good: OK, played against some great College QB's & Oregon State produces excellent ones. Really like Poyer last year thought he would go much higher than he did 7th so don't tell me Reynolds won't still be there. Regardless we need nickle & corner help this would be a good player to add on the Texan roster next season. Here is a short interview -
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/11/oregon_state_football_beavers_70.html

WolverineFan
12-06-2013, 07:55 PM
spare you the pics. heartbroken that Kubiak didn't realize his/our dream :kubepalm:

1st. Teddy Bridgwater, QB, Louisville, 6025 209

I'm going to change his measureables off eyeball test but that doesn't change anything in my mind & that is he will still be the #1 rated QB on most NFL Big Boards & QB is the Texans most dire need.

2nd. Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennessee, 6060 332

No fudging the numbers needed here, he is all that maybe more? with his intentions now public that he is coming out early he should be graded out in the 28-34 overall range. RT with a franchise rookie QB ascends quickly to #2 need.

3rd. Greg Blair, ILB, Cincinnati, 6005 248

Splitting hairs but you know he will be working hard to run a hard 40 time. He is ascending player, could break into 2nd rd. & alot of us are desperate to upgrade ILB position, regardless of Cushing production moving forward. Big bang for rookie in position helps return defense back to elite. Reminds me of Willis.

4th. Ryan Carrethers, NT, Arkansas State, 6010 328

Physical frontline enforcer who can engage a Center & Guard allowing more space for teammates to penetrate & disrupt offensive flow. Strong, durable does have a good motor to develop. Expect local player, Earl Mitchell to resign.

5th. CJ Barnett, FS, Ohio State, 6000 203

Ohio State in BCS against Florida State? Stay tuned. But after game in Jacksonville who could blame me for bumping up Safety position. Space eater with range who is clean & willing hard worker.

6th. Antonio Andrews, RB/KR, Western Kentucky, 5-11 212

SEC battle tested went to combination back/returner. Leeds the nation in all purpose yardage with 218.3 yards per game. Use 7th in combination with 6th to move back up into 5th which Rick Smith has been known to do & this is optimum value pick. Also like to say Dennis Johnson is a nice developmental back in rotation.

7th. Rashaad Reynolds, CB, Oregon State, 5-10 187

Beavers are under rated :good: OK, played against some great College QB's & Oregon State produces excellent ones. Really like Poyer last year thought he would go much higher than he did 7th so don't tell me Reynolds won't still be there. Regardless we need nickle & corner help this would be a good player to add on the Texan roster next season. Here is a short interview -
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/11/oregon_state_football_beavers_70.html


Love it. Especially picks 2 & 6. Andrews is my personal pick for late round sleeper this year at RB.

beerlover
12-06-2013, 09:07 PM
Love it. Especially picks 2 & 6. Andrews is my personal pick for late round sleeper this year at RB.

2 out of 7?

no luv for Teddy or Blair who both showed well last night?

what I love most about Teddy-
* soft hands
* quick feet 5 or 7 step drop
* can boot left as well right
* accurate arm, throws darts much sharper than Mariota who often floats the ball
* pocket awareness
* athletic ability
* strong arm
* can absorb a hit
* plus size for position
* long arms w/plus stiff arm
* heart
* targets players core strength in regards to windows so they can make athletic move
* plays under center in Pro Style

what Teddy needs to improve-
* recognizing coverage
* adding core strength
* more decisive in progressions
* needs to declare for the 2014 draft

but seriously, thank you for your positive feedback, tried to rep you must spread it around some more :wesmantexanfan:

VTexan
12-07-2013, 02:14 PM
what Teddy needs to improve-
* recognizing coverage
* adding core strength
* more decisive in progressions
* needs to declare for the 2014 draft




i haven't done much scouting as i hardly have watched a single game of CFB this year but if those are indeed his weaknesses then it looks promising as those can easily be taught/trained.

beerlover
12-07-2013, 10:36 PM
Great pick by CJ Barnett. Ballhawk. Moved him up one round now looks like late 3rd early 4th. Lol

WolverineFan
12-07-2013, 10:44 PM
2 out of 7?

no luv for Teddy or Blair who both showed well last night?

Haha was trying to keep it short and sweet.

I obviously like Bridgewater. I've been pretty open about that on this board. Is he a franchise guy? Hard to say, but I think he could be.

I'm a big fan of Richardson. I grade him higher than other people apparently because I have him as the #3 OT right now.

Not all that familiar with Blair. I think you could find more athletic ILB's at that part of the draft.

Not familiar with Carrethers, but I've seen quite a few people touting him on this board (most notably you). I agree that we need to address DT/NT so I like the pick.

I cannot be trusted to objectively grade Barnett....:kitten:

Love Andrews. Think he will be a stud.

Not familiar with Reynolds. I agree that we need to address CB, but I think it should be a lot earlier.

All in all a great draft because we walk out with what we think is a franchise QB, a very good OT, and the other picks hit needs.

beerlover
12-07-2013, 10:51 PM
If you choose to be a scout (you have most of the attributes) you must dismiss alliances or conflicts of interests in respect to schools. Heck Braxton Miller is looking sweet. Texans could go Clowney then Miller in 2nd. Very impressive, but is he Texan Worthy?

WolverineFan
12-07-2013, 10:58 PM
If you choose to be a scout (you have most of the attributes) you must dismiss alliances or conflicts of interests in respect to schools. Heck Braxton Miller is looking sweet. Texans could go Clowney then Miller in 2nd. Very impressive, but is he Texan Worthy?

I was only kidding with the Barnett comment. Was just playing my part as the Michigan fan. I actually liked his teammate Christian Bryant more, but he's been out all year with an injury.

Miller is extremely raw as a passer. He really needs to go back for his senior year.

beerlover
12-07-2013, 11:06 PM
I was only kidding with the Barnett comment. Was just playing my part as the Michigan fan. I actually liked his teammate Christian Bryant more, but he's been out all year with an injury.

Miller is extremely raw as a passer. He really needs to go back for his senior year.

Me too.

As SB likes to abbreviate:

1-1b & 2-2b