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GRONKED
11-28-2013, 02:11 AM
Hey,
Wtf happened to Texans this year? You had such a talented, well rounded team last yr that such a dropoff is insane.I haven't really followed all season..and am shocked to see them in position for #1 pick????
Tried finding answer just looking thru forum, but there's so much doom n gloom and panic that it's hard to know what really happened.
Also, do you think with a top draft pick (qb?) And maybe new headcoach you guys can get right back in afc mix next year? (Kc-like turnaround?) Surely the talent is there..

Corrosion
11-28-2013, 03:00 AM
We got Schaubed. :corrosion:

HJam72
11-28-2013, 03:18 AM
Lot of opinions about that, but I'll just give you my quick version:

We win the first 2 games against Chargers & Titans. Maybe things weren't great, but we won them. In fact, Schaub led comebacks in both games to win, IIRC.

After that, Schaubie managed to throw pick-6s in 4 games in a row, so we lost them. My opinion is that Schaub's lack of mobility and other factors led him to take un-wise risks on most of those throws, costing us games.

We had some close losses to good teams early in the losing streak, such as Seattle. Games we should've won. Schaub also got injured for a while, and Case Keenum, who in many opinions, outplayed Yates in preseason, took over as the starter on a trial basis. Keenum shined in some ways at first, especially with mobility, extending plays, and making long passes, such as to AJ for TDs. Keenum, however, has had major problems dealing with blitzes and trying to make accurate passes to hot receivers (short & intermediate routes). His height is probably an issue.

While all this has gone on, Cushing was injured early in the season and the D has never been the same. I believe Daniels was also and the offense as a whole has been effected by that some as well. A LOT of guys are not playing as well as they did in the past on both sides of the ball. It's my opinion that there is some serious lack of effort and determination going on, especially on the O-line. The only guys I'm certain are doing their best on this team game in and game out, every play, etc. are Watt, Cushing (if he were on the field, but he's not), AJ, the QBs (who just aren't good enough), probably Myers, probably Brahman (but he's really just a great special teams player that sucks like so many at LB), etc.

Kubiak had a mini-stroke at the end of one game. Pressure. Losing streak. He's on medication(s) now, but I think it might even be in his own best interest to get canned. So far, he has not been back on the sidelines, but has been back at games in the booth.

Through most of this, we have moved the ball well on O and gotten our stops on D. WE SUCK IN THE RED ZONE like nobody's business on both sides of the ball.

Most of us agree that the GM and entire coaching staff need replacing. Yes, the QB too, but we were mostly fans of Keenum for a while. He's still the best we've currently got. I'm still personally not big on firing Phillips, but I agree about Smith, Kubiak, etc.

It's a meltdown. Kubiak has no doubt lost the team, unless we are literally tanking and most of the players are in on it.

Nawzer
11-28-2013, 07:41 AM
We got Schubiaked!

Bulls on Parade
11-28-2013, 07:55 AM
Eh, the simple answer is injuries.

Not to play devil's advocate here but if we merely had a healthy Arian Foster and Brian Cushing, I believe we would have won the last five games which were all one score losses.

That's the difference between 2-9 and 7-4, which would have us in first place right now.... And yes, it's that easy really. When we're missing the type of superstars and playmakers the caliber of Foster and Cushing that goes a long way.

On the plus side, if we lose these final five games and end up with the first overall pick in the 2014 draft. That should help us reload rather quickly. If healthy in 2014, we'll be back to a solid 12-4 type of team regardless of the coaching staff. We need the players on the field to get it done. Sort of hard to do that without our defensive captain and most versatile offensive player.

Texian
11-28-2013, 07:58 AM
With Kubiak on the hot seat after the 2010 season, Smubiak mortgaged the farm prior to the 2011 season. The BIG spending along with Peyton's broken neck, Jeff Fisher's departure and a favorable schedule enabled the Texans to be much improved. Starting with the 2012 season, payments for the 2011 mortgage loan became due. In order to pay the piper, the Texans began making trips to the Pawn Shop, along with refinancing the mortgage every year just to meet their minimal financial obligations for each season since 2011. As a result their standard of living has declined significantly and Smubiak is about to lose the farm.

or the short version: about what happened to the Falcons.

Bulls on Parade
11-28-2013, 08:03 AM
Key injuries plagued the Falcons as well. They nearly beat the Saints at home in their last game. If healthy they'd probably be a Super Bowl contender just like the Texans, IMO.

Thorn
11-28-2013, 08:20 AM
So what yall are saying is we have a severe lack of depth on this team. And I would agree that is part of the problem.

Texian
11-28-2013, 08:22 AM
Key injuries plagued the Falcons as well. They nearly beat the Saints at home in their last game. If healthy they'd probably be a Super Bowl contender just like the Texans, IMO.

The Falcons have very similar problems the Texans have. An inefficient OL, no pass rush. Both have neglected the trenches and those chickens have come home to roost.

So what yall are saying is we have a severe lack of depth on this team. And I would agree that is part of the problem.

The Texans have the best depth that their salary cap can afford, which is not very much.

Blake
11-28-2013, 08:48 AM
Eh, the simple answer is injuries.

Not to play devil's advocate here but if we merely had a healthy Arian Foster and Brian Cushing, I believe we would have won the last five games which were all one score losses.

That's the difference between 2-9 and 7-4, which would have us in first place right now.... And yes, it's that easy really. When we're missing the type of superstars and playmakers the caliber of Foster and Cushing that goes a long way.

On the plus side, if we lose these final five games and end up with the first overall pick in the 2014 draft. That should help us reload rather quickly. If healthy in 2014, we'll be back to a solid 12-4 type of team regardless of the coaching staff. We need the players on the field to get it done. Sort of hard to do that without our defensive captain and most versatile offensive player.

The simple answer is our probowl qb imploded.

On a side note I refuse to let a coach skate by on the excuse that he had injuries ruined his season. Every team loses important pieces every year. Next year it could be Watt that goes down. You have to have solid backups at critical positions who can do the job if players go down.

TheIronDuke
11-28-2013, 08:56 AM
Good to have you back, Gronked! In a nutshell, we suck just like you said last year before the playoffs. A lot of people will say we suck because of bad QB, injuries, or whatever. Those are factors, but another issue is our defense is awful and forces no turnovers and gets no pressure. I think our garbage defense is the main problem but we are stuck with stupid Wade because his dad was a houston legend.

EllisUnit
11-28-2013, 08:59 AM
Hey,
Wtf happened to Texans this year? You had such a talented, well rounded team last yr that such a dropoff is insane.I haven't really followed all season..and am shocked to see them in position for #1 pick????
Tried finding answer just looking thru forum, but there's so much doom n gloom and panic that it's hard to know what really happened.
Also, do you think with a top draft pick (qb?) And maybe new headcoach you guys can get right back in afc mix next year? (Kc-like turnaround?) Surely the talent is there..

So the football gods teased us with 2 seasons of good football, then they realized teasing us wasnt nice. So they let Houston teams do what they generally do, SUCK. Pretty simple.

Honoring Earl 34
11-28-2013, 09:03 AM
:wadepalm: Pick 6 , injuries , old disgruntled safeties , bad coaching , bad depth , mismanaging contracts , and no plug and play when you lose players .

Playoffs
11-28-2013, 10:05 AM
It appears we were only imitating a good team these last 2 years and have reverted back to type. But the good news is we have futures on/in Broadway/Hollywood. :truck:

Hervoyel
11-28-2013, 10:21 AM
So what yall are saying is we have a severe lack of depth on this team. And I would agree that is part of the problem.

Well, "yes and no" on that one. Yes we have depth issues at a lot of positions. Nobody however has another Brian Cushing or Arian Foster laying around waiting to step in. That rarely happens and usually that backup doesn't hang around too long because he can play for another team. Ben Tate isn't Arian Foster and never will be. He might be better in another system but he's never had the vision in our system to really exploit it. He has great runs and **** runs and not much in between. He'll go somewhere else and be another team's starter.

We lost key cogs in the system, not just starters. We probably could have lost 4-5 other guys (individually) and kept it together. Maybe even any of 7-8 guys. This defense doesn't work without Cushing and Watt. Either of them go down and it's over.

On offense it doesn't work without AJ, Foster, or Maybe Duane Brown. Honestly on the OL we don't have the depth to really take any kind of hit without sucking intensely. Lose one starter (and really, do we even have a starter at RT?) and the line breaks.

HJam72
11-28-2013, 11:15 AM
Oh, I dunno. We could lose a "starter" at RT and nobody'd notice. :cool:

GRONKED
11-28-2013, 11:43 AM
Gotcha. That many key injuries will kill any team. Throw in schaub implosion and close losses n it all makes sense. Draft right n you'll take division right back from Luck & co.

Please play nice! My pats could really use HFA this year! Early on I def thought we'd lose this game...

Uncle Rico
11-28-2013, 12:08 PM
<sigh>

Knowing when you're getting trolled is a skill. I hope the bulls don't play nice and end some seasons on Sunday. Maybe that turf will bite another patriot close to the playoffs again.

steelbtexan
11-28-2013, 12:21 PM
Hey,
Wtf happened to Texans this year? You had such a talented, well rounded team last yr that such a dropoff is insane.I haven't really followed all season..and am shocked to see them in position for #1 pick????
Tried finding answer just looking thru forum, but there's so much doom n gloom and panic that it's hard to know what really happened.
Also, do you think with a top draft pick (qb?) And maybe new headcoach you guys can get right back in afc mix next year? (Kc-like turnaround?) Surely the talent is there..

Schaub/Foster/Cushing were signed to big $$$$ extentions whe nthey were coming off of injuries, Predictably they got hurt again this yr, then Belichick gave the rest of the league a blueprint on how to beat the Texans on both offense and defense.

Combine those things with losing solid depth players in FA and failing to replace them with quality draft picks. Has left the team with major depth issues. Also the lack of accountability in this org is maddening. These are just a few of the things that have finally caught up with the Texans org.

chicagotexan2
11-28-2013, 02:02 PM
If Schaub were a baseball player he'd be bill Buckner. That's what happened.

Seegara
11-28-2013, 08:19 PM
We were Kubed to death. The coach's predictable play calling and his rule that the QB can't substantially change the call played right into the hands of the opponents, who finally caught on to his style.

Wolf
11-28-2013, 08:24 PM
If Schaub were a baseball player he'd be bill Buckner. That's what happened.


I was thinking Brad lidge

acal21
11-28-2013, 08:41 PM
#1 we went into the season depending on unproven talent (OUR PASS RUSH) and it really killed us

#2 foster was never right

#3 Schaub lost something? he was playing like gasol for the lakers when there was a rumor that shannon brown slept with his wife

#4 Cushings injury

#5 Kubiak couldn't fix it

powda
11-28-2013, 09:59 PM
Shapocolypse

JB
11-28-2013, 10:09 PM
The smoke generator exploded and all the mirrors broke

JCTexan
11-28-2013, 11:57 PM
My opinion? Turnovers killed this team. At first it was Schaub throwing pick-6's every game, which basically lost the confidence of the entire team. Now, although Keenum hasn't thrown too many interceptions, the team is still committing crucial turnovers. Against Arizona Keenum was strip-sacked that directly resulted in 7 points to the Cardinals. Against Oakland Graham fumbled and Keenum threw an interception. Both gave Oakland the ball in the redzone directly resulting in 14 points. This team is biting themselves in the ass. Good football teams don't do that.

Runner
11-29-2013, 10:16 AM
The Texans went back to their normal, under-achieving selves.

Norg
11-29-2013, 11:35 AM
What are u taling about GRONK everything is roses and sunshine and we are ripe to lay a L on the Pats this week Okthxbye

Naija Texan
11-29-2013, 11:52 AM
Kubiak since Wade and Foster came along regressed a lot of his previous play calling to try to keep Schaub and his plays within reach for the post season. This feel in line with Schaub's regression after this injury which lead to a system where check downs are the primary throws and it seemed like there was no real deep threat.

Other teams noticed this due to several games last season and have stepped up to take away the three key points of our offense, A. Johnson, Foster and the TE position (especially in the red zone). Kubiak despite several games in the second half of last season never seemed to recover, convinced that the defense would eventually bail them out as they did against most teams last season. The defense didn't step up and stayed about the same, the offense took steps back from even their late season form due to relying even more on those guys (with Graham picking up on receptions that previously went to Casey or Dressen) and ultimately leaving this team where we are now.

Case Keenum had the spark that might have gotten us a couple wins but Kubiak pretty much killed any confidence the kid had by benching him in the Raiders game and has worked him into playing more like how Kubiak wants (ie Schaub) which means he isn't getting into the red zone as teams are ready as they have been since week 3 because the other teams know where you likely to go and you take what they give you.

As inconsistent as the offensive line has been, the fact that teams like the Broncos and Seahawks have done as well as they have lost starters for significant times and their QBs have been hit and sacked worst. The play calling is the biggest issue with the offense and combined with how bad the special teams are that makes the fate of Kubiak and others in this regime obvious.

gafftop
11-29-2013, 11:53 AM
The many decisions made by the brain trust have finally taken its toll.
Not if this was going to happen but when.
Ultimately goes to very top. (McNair)
1. Keeping GM means
2. We keep head coach and extend means
3. We not only keep MS we overpay (GM responsibility)
4. Not really sure who evaluates talent but we really have no clue what we are doing.
5. Ed Reed (GM)
6. Salary cap management (GM)

Will not get better in future unless we get "LUCKY" with our next brain trust choices. I really don't feel even remotely confident the right choice will be made.

Gm must go.

2012Champs
11-29-2013, 11:56 AM
Kubiak since Wade and Foster came along regressed a lot of his previous play calling to try to keep Schaub and his plays within reach for the post season. This feel in line with Schaub's regression after this injury which lead to a system where check downs are the primary throws and it seemed like there was no real deep threat.

Other teams noticed this due to several games last season and have stepped up to take away the three key points of our offense, A. Johnson, Foster and the TE position (especially in the red zone). Kubiak despite several games in the second half of last season never seemed to recover, convinced that the defense would eventually bail them out as they did against most teams last season. The defense didn't step up and stayed about the same, the offense took steps back from even their late season form due to relying even more on those guys (with Graham picking up on receptions that previously went to Casey or Dressen) and ultimately leaving this team where we are now.

Case Keenum had the spark that might have gotten us a couple wins but Kubiak pretty much killed any confidence the kid had by benching him in the Raiders game and has worked him into playing more like how Kubiak wants (ie Schaub) which means he isn't getting into the red zone as teams are ready as they have been since week 3 because the other teams know where you likely to go and you take what they give you.

As inconsistent as the offensive line has been, the fact that teams like the Broncos and Seahawks have done as well as they have lost starters for significant times and their QBs have been hit and sacked worst. The play calling is the biggest issue with the offense and combined with how bad the special teams are that makes the fate of Kubiak and others in this regime obvious.




Case's "spark" was that no team had tape on him yet

HJam72
11-29-2013, 12:11 PM
Case's "spark" was that no team had tape on him yet

Yep, if you play him straight up, not knowing what to expect, Keenum can run around like a madman, pull up at some point after getting free, and launch a precision bomb to a WR deep downfield on a broken play. Problem is, you can't plan this out if you are our coach (Keenum just makes it happen occasionally) & you CAN plan against it if you are the opposing DC and know about it. Keenum is GREAT at doing just what I just described, but lacks expertise (or something) at throwing intermediate passes across the middle (leading the receiver horizontally), reading defenses, and especially finding the hot receiver while getting blitzed and getting him the ball accurately and quickly. He can't see him (possible height problem), he can't make his reads fast enough, & he couldn't hit him accurately even if he could. He's workin' on it, though, & we got other problems all over the field.

Brandon420tx
11-29-2013, 09:31 PM
I think I'd rather be Gronked than Hernandezed .... maybe. It depends on what exactly a Gronking entails

YeaLikeRightNow
11-30-2013, 07:45 AM
One of the biggest detriments to this team happened during the last two or three off-seasons, when players were far from the field-of-play. The Texans let some good players walk, and tried to replace them with draft picks that did not work out. Even some good draft picks like Quesenberry ended up on the IR. Most of our good players have gone on to other teams and played really well. Both DeMeco Ryans and Conner Barwin went to Philly and they're in better shape than the Texans. Eric Winston is playing well for a play-off bound Cardinals team. Of course, you know how Trendon Holliday has played for the Broncos, and Jacoby Jones for the Ravens. Our seasoned TE Kevin Walter was let go and then we could not find a good backup at that position when Owen Daniels went down. It has been an orchestration of losing good players, supplanted by poor players or injuries.

Then...to top things off, we went into Kansas City and nearly beat them. We would have beat them I think. The scenario that played out could not have been scripted better for what this season has become. We went into the game rather healthy, but Arian Foster got injured, and Tate was already injured and our promising young running back Cierre Wood, just the night before; was caught up in the "Cigar Smoking Incident" and was sent packing with two other players. He could have been the difference for us in a game that would have been a huge shot-in-the-arm for the team.

Really...since Schaub's Pick-6's started, every week has been a week of frustrating events. Wade loses his dad, Bum. The icing on this cake of crap was the Indy game, we were beginning to blow them out and then Kubes goes down with a mini-stroke.

Now...things seem to have settled down and everyone is waiting to see what happens at the end of the season....

:kitten:

HJam72
11-30-2013, 09:32 AM
One of the biggest detriments to this team happened during the last two or three off-seasons, when players were far from the field-of-play. The Texans let some good players walk, and tried to replace them with draft picks that did not work out. Even some good draft picks like Quesenberry ended up on the IR. Most of our good players have gone on to other teams and played really well. Both DeMeco Ryans and Conner Barwin went to Philly and they're in better shape than the Texans. Eric Winston is playing well for a play-off bound Cardinals team. Of course, you know how Trendon Holliday has played for the Broncos, and Jacoby Jones for the Ravens. Our seasoned TE Kevin Walter was let go and then we could not find a good backup at that position when Owen Daniels went down. It has been an orchestration of losing good players, supplanted by poor players or injuries.

Then...to top things off, we went into Kansas City and nearly beat them. We would have beat them I think. The scenario that played out could not have been scripted better for what this season has become. We went into the game rather healthy, but Arian Foster got injured, and Tate was already injured and our promising young running back Cierre Wood, just the night before; was caught up in the "Cigar Smoking Incident" and was sent packing with two other players. He could have been the difference for us in a game that would have been a huge shot-in-the-arm for the team.

Really...since Schaub's Pick-6's started, every week has been a week of frustrating events. Wade loses his dad, Bum. The icing on this cake of crap was the Indy game, we were beginning to blow them out and then Kubes goes down with a mini-stroke.

Now...things seem to have settled down and everyone is waiting to see what happens at the end of the season....

:kitten:

I'm assuming that was a jibe at his slowness and pretty good blocking ability.

Uncle Rico
11-30-2013, 11:49 AM
All of these thesis papers on what went wrong. Geeeez.

Somewhere in chowderland I think a group of guys are reading these and laughing. SMH.

Norg
12-01-2013, 01:11 AM
I miss Kevin walter to bad he had the back surgery and went to ten to go on IR for the rest of the year

I think Kevin was like Matt second fav target LOL

HJam72
12-01-2013, 09:14 AM
I miss Kevin walter to bad he had the back surgery and went to ten to go on IR for the rest of the year

I think Kevin was like Matt second fav target LOL

Yeah, he was (despite rarely being open), & Owen Daniels was first, leaving our Hall of Fame caliber WR, Andre Johnson, as Mattie's 3rd choice.

infantrycak
12-01-2013, 09:18 AM
Yeah, he was (despite rarely being open), & Owen Daniels was first, leaving our Hall of Fame caliber WR, Andre Johnson, as Mattie's 3rd choice.

Is this supposed to be a joke?

Norg
12-01-2013, 03:26 PM
eddie pleasant Happened I didn't even know he would play this game and I don't know who our ILB was when mayes took a few plays off prob some guy off the street that's what happen after watchin

Elderman and amendola and there FB those quick passes murked US

Norg
12-01-2013, 03:27 PM
Yeah, he was (despite rarely being open), & Owen Daniels was first, leaving our Hall of Fame caliber WR, Andre Johnson, as Mattie's 3rd choice.



I meant KW was his fav target BUUUTTTTTT he could never get open LOL



the best Blockin WR we had tho :koolaid:.................. blocking WR's HAHAHAHAH that's like man .........