PDA

View Full Version : Play GM


amazing80
11-27-2013, 09:36 AM
http://overthecap.com/calculator/

Amazing tool and shows all you "gms" how we are with the cap. It puts to rest that were in cap hell. Play around, cut some guys and see how YOU would improve our cap.

Exascor
11-27-2013, 09:49 AM
http://overthecap.com/calculator/

Amazing tool and shows all you "gms" how we are with the cap. It puts to rest that were in cap hell. Play around, cut some guys and see how YOU would improve our cap.

Love that site. The only input I have is that we should absorb the full dead money hit in 2014 for all the guys that are cut (like Schaub). No "June 1st" cuts. Eat it now and use the extra room to re-sign Watt in 2015.

bah007
11-27-2013, 02:50 PM
Love that site. The only input I have is that we should absorb the full dead money hit in 2014 for all the guys that are cut (like Schaub). No "June 1st" cuts. Eat it now and use the extra room to re-sign Watt in 2015.

Yea no kidding.

Look at this team...

And now imagine it without Watt...

TheMatrix31
11-27-2013, 03:47 PM
I don't know much about the cap, but the first things I looked for were cutting Brice McCain, Derek Newton, and Randy Bullock.

badboy
11-27-2013, 04:04 PM
http://overthecap.com/calculator/

Amazing tool and shows all you "gms" how we are with the cap. It puts to rest that were in cap hell. Play around, cut some guys and see how YOU would improve our cap.Thanks I wanted to experiment with that part of site but just didn't have time. I cut Schaub, OD, Manning, McCain, Yates and Tarpinian & Mohamed. I want to think more about which FAs we bring back.

TheIronDuke
11-27-2013, 04:29 PM
Thanks I wanted to experiment with that part of site but just didn't have time. I cut Schaub, OD, Manning, McCain, Yates and Tarpinian & Mohamed. I want to think more about which FAs we bring back.

I cut these guys plus Brooke Reed, Martin, Newton, Fat Randy, and Brandon Harris. We have a lot of crappy players, OD not included as crappy, just over the hill like Manning. The rest are complete garbage.

badboy
11-27-2013, 04:56 PM
I cut these guys plus Brooke Reed, Martin, Newton, Fat Randy, and Brandon Harris. We have a lot of crappy players, OD not included as crappy, just over the hill like Manning. The rest are complete garbage.Reed is a containment guy that we expect too many sacks from. Need to replace but not this season. Same with Martin as I want to cut him and then he has a decent game. I won't cut Newton but want to see him compete against Brennan Williams and a draft pick. Ryan Harris cannot beat him out so he should go. Bullock was aweful but may have recovered recently. Let's see how he finishes. Brandon Harris should peak in his third season. We gave KJ three so why not Harris? Besides lett ing these go mean you have to replace them and we already need a lot.

JCTexan
11-27-2013, 05:21 PM
I don't know much about the cap, but the first things I looked for were cutting Brice McCain, Derek Newton, and Randy Bullock.
I cut these guys plus Brooke Reed, Martin, Newton, Fat Randy, and Brandon Harris. We have a lot of crappy players, OD not included as crappy, just over the hill like Manning. The rest are complete garbage.


The cap availability right now is a little over 9 Million... Cutting the guys listed gets it over 13 Million. You can get another 13 Million available by cutting Daniels, Manning & Schaub. With those cuts you're looking at 26 Million of free cap space.

aussie_texan
11-27-2013, 07:18 PM
i don't see much of a cap Hell. i cut harris, OD, and schaub and extended ninja, mays and greg jones

acal21
11-27-2013, 08:22 PM
Love that site. The only input I have is that we should absorb the full dead money hit in 2014 for all the guys that are cut (like Schaub). No "June 1st" cuts. Eat it now and use the extra room to re-sign Watt in 2015.

Watt needs to be resigned now, I wouldn't be able to handle the stress of free agency with JJ out there.. no way no how

It needs to get done the same way Cushings was done but even sooner

infantrycak
11-27-2013, 08:41 PM
Watt needs to be resigned now, I wouldn't be able to handle the stress of free agency with JJ out there.. no way no how

It needs to get done the same way Cushings was done but even sooner

Watt has two more seasons before the Texans even have to start considering the franchise tag.

Texian
11-27-2013, 09:17 PM
Watt has two more seasons before the Texans even have to start considering the franchise tag.

and franchising Watt for 2 years may be considerably cheaper than actually re-signing him

acal21
11-27-2013, 09:19 PM
Watt has two more seasons before the Texans even have to start considering the franchise tag.

I was so worried about it I completely forgot about the franchise tag

infantrycak
11-27-2013, 10:06 PM
I was so worried about it I completely forgot about the franchise tag

The Texans' options for JJ other than signing a new contract are:

2014 - last year of original rookie deal - $3.575 mil cap hit
2015 - optional 5th year - approx. $7 mil (avg. of 3-25th paid DEs)
2015 - franchise tag - approx. $12 mil
2016 - franchise tag - approx. $14.4 mil

The Texans hold the cards for quite a while.

ArlingtonTexan
11-27-2013, 11:43 PM
:includeme::includeme:

Double Barrel
11-28-2013, 01:00 AM
The Texans' options for JJ other than signing a new contract are:

2014 - last year of original rookie deal - $3.575 mil cap hit
2015 - optional 5th year - approx. $7 mil (avg. of 3-25th paid DEs)
2015 - franchise tag - approx. $12 mil
2016 - franchise tag - approx. $14.4 mil

The Texans hold the cards for quite a while.

Thanks for the breakdown. I can use this to calm some people down in my life that are stressing about it. I've told them that the Texans have the leverage, but cool to see the specifics.

Reading this thread, it sounds like we are not in a bad cap situation, and makes me start to believe that Rick Smith sticks around if/when they let Gary & Co. go. Much different than 2005 when Casserly left the franchise in cap trouble, iirc.

Texian
11-28-2013, 09:09 AM
Thanks for the breakdown. I can use this to calm some people down in my life that are stressing about it. I've told them that the Texans have the leverage, but cool to see the specifics.

Reading this thread, it sounds like we are not in a bad cap situation, and makes me start to believe that Rick Smith sticks around if/when they let Gary & Co. go. Much different than 2005 when Casserly left the franchise in cap trouble, iirc.

Contrary to popular belief the Texans 2014 salary cap situation is very similar to salary cap situation of 2011, 2012, 2013. Like recent years past the Texans will lose a handful of starters to FA and the Texans will not have enough money to adequately to replace the value of those players lost. Once again they will try to plug those holes through the draft or with more vet minimums to fill out the roster. In essence they will have taken another step or two backwards to getting better instead of any steps forward because that is all they can afford.

Lucky
11-28-2013, 11:01 AM
Schaub, Daniels, and Manning were my big cuts. made some smaller ones and only extended Graham and wound up with $31 million in cap room. Lots of holes on the roster though. Still, there's enough for a new coach to be competitive in the AFC South in 2014.

Texian
11-28-2013, 11:42 AM
Schaub, Daniels, and Manning were my big cuts. made some smaller ones and only extended Graham and wound up with $31 million in cap room. Lots of holes on the roster though. Still, there's enough for a new coach to be competitive in the AFC South in 2014.

I cut Schaub and Foster. After back surgery I don't expect Foster to be worth his $8 mil. And the current OL also looks like it went thru back surgery. A new QB will need Andre and Daniels. Manning when healthy is the best S on the team. Manning and Daniels are 2015 FA so their $ disappear then anyways. Take your full medicine in 2014 and w/o any Schaub, Foster, Daniels, Manning money on the 2015 books, the Texans start 2015 year almost $50 mil under the cap.

Note: I expect the NFL to go to 17 or 18 game schedule in 2015 and when they do I also expect the salary cap to increase substanially, $15 - $20 million. Why? This is the carrot that the owners will use to get the players to vote FOR an increase in regular season games.

ObsiWan
11-28-2013, 12:31 PM
http://overthecap.com/calculator/

Amazing tool and shows all you "gms" how we are with the cap. It puts to rest that were in cap hell. Play around, cut some guys and see how YOU would improve our cap.
Thanks for showing us this new toy. It'll be interesting to see how (or if) the resident draftniks put it to use during the offseason to see who to keep and who to let go.

oh and repped by the way

acal21
11-28-2013, 04:21 PM
I cut Schaub and Foster. After back surgery I don't expect Foster to be worth his $8 mil. And the current OL also looks like it went thru back surgery. A new QB will need Andre and Daniels. Manning when healthy is the best S on the team. Manning and Daniels are 2015 FA so their $ disappear then anyways. Take your full medicine in 2014 and w/o any Schaub, Foster, Daniels, Manning money on the 2015 books, the Texans start 2015 year almost $50 mil under the cap.

Note: I expect the NFL to go to 17 or 18 game schedule in 2015 and when they do I also expect the salary cap to increase substanially, $15 - $20 million. Why? This is the carrot that the owners will use to get the players to vote FOR an increase in regular season games.

I stopped reading after you said cut foster, who really knows what he's gonna come back like but before this year he was night and day better than anyone who ran the ball for the texans.. he pretty much took the year off i just hope he's motivated and ready to come back next year... I'm convinced we can afford to bring tate back I'm just not sure we want to, i understand he's playing hurt but damn he made foster look great and he's doing the same thing for johnson

amazing80
11-28-2013, 08:27 PM
Thanks for showing us this new toy. It'll be interesting to see how (or if) the resident draftniks put it to use during the offseason to see who to keep and who to let go.

oh and repped by the way

Thanks, and I usually do an in depth off-season, I will be putting it to use :D

aussie_texan
11-28-2013, 09:06 PM
Thanks, and I usually do an in depth off-season, I will be putting it to use :D

very nice and simple tool.

does anyone know of a website that graphs trade value of players.

e.g. foster a couple of years back would be worth a 1st round pick but now with his large contract and injury problems is trending downwards.

are the any sites that do this

Seegara
11-28-2013, 09:23 PM
Excellent page, which got a bookmark in my browser. I played with it, cutting and trading players I'd be willing to part with, and got the cap space up to 23M, still not enough for much flexibility.

dalemurphy
11-29-2013, 01:14 AM
http://overthecap.com/calculator/

Amazing tool and shows all you "gms" how we are with the cap. It puts to rest that were in cap hell. Play around, cut some guys and see how YOU would improve our cap.

I'm not sure what you are talking about.

By cutting Schaub, OD, and Manning, that puts the Texans $22 million under the cap... hardly cap hell.

Lucky
11-29-2013, 09:45 AM
I'm not sure what you are talking about.

By cutting Schaub, OD, and Manning, that puts the Texans $22 million under the cap... hardly cap hell.

Amazing80 said it puts to rest, or debunks, the notion that the Texans are in cap hell in 2014.

MistaRed
11-29-2013, 09:58 AM
Does this calculator take into account the dead money the Texans would absorb cutting certain players?

Lucky
11-29-2013, 10:09 AM
Does this calculator take into account the dead money the Texans would absorb cutting certain players?

I believe it does.

amazing80
11-29-2013, 10:38 AM
Amazing80 said it puts to rest, or debunks, the notion that the Texans are in cap hell in 2014.

:bravo: lol thank you

Double Barrel
11-29-2013, 12:21 PM
I cut Schaub and Foster. After back surgery I don't expect Foster to be worth his $8 mil. And the current OL also looks like it went thru back surgery. A new QB will need Andre and Daniels. Manning when healthy is the best S on the team. Manning and Daniels are 2015 FA so their $ disappear then anyways. Take your full medicine in 2014 and w/o any Schaub, Foster, Daniels, Manning money on the 2015 books, the Texans start 2015 year almost $50 mil under the cap.

I agree about Foster. I like the guy, but if we are honest, most of the time that a heavily used RB goes in for major surgery (especially the back), it's time to move on.

Of course he could have a great recovery in today's day and age, but I'm just not sold on taking that chance with a likely new coaching staff and offensive scheme.

Sometimes it takes the hard decisions to move on, and Foster is one of those casualties.

badboy
11-29-2013, 12:28 PM
I agree about Foster. I like the guy, but if we are honest, most of the time that a heavily used RB goes in for major surgery (especially the back), it's time to move on.

Of course he could have a great recovery in today's day and age, but I'm just not sold on taking that chance with a likely new coaching staff and offensive scheme.

Sometimes it takes the hard decisions to move on, and Foster is one of those casualties.Correction. Foster may be one of those casualties. Why not wait and see how he recovers, like we are doing with Cushing and have done with others? Johnson has average 4.4 for season and against jags 6 yds (13/74).

Troy Chapman
12-04-2013, 10:21 AM
Cutting Foster gives you a small amount of cap savings. Might as well utilize him for one more year and then release after the 2014 season to get the savings.

The Texans may not have a huge amount of cap space for the 2014 season, but if they do things correctly they could position themselves for a nice open salary cap for the 2015 season. That includes releasing A. Johnson after the 2014 season. Yes I said it.

Bulls on Parade
12-04-2013, 10:32 AM
Cutting Foster gives you a small amount of cap savings. Might as well utilize him for one more year and then release after the 2014 season to get the savings.

The Texans may not have a huge amount of cap space for the 2014 season, but if they do things correctly they could position themselves for a nice open salary cap for the 2015 season. That includes releasing A. Johnson after the 2014 season. Yes I said it.
Why would you do that? He's still highly productive at his age and could easily net the Texans a late second-round pick in a trade. From a team like the Patriots for example. It seems silly to only keep Andre Johnson for one more season and then release him when he still has adequate trade value.

infantrycak
12-04-2013, 10:50 AM
That includes releasing A. Johnson after the 2014 season. Yes I said it.

Unfortunate for you. Jerry Rice began the most productive four season stretch of his career at 31 years old (AJ's age now) leading the league in receiving in three of the four years and leading the league in receptions in the 4th. We aren't talking RB here. 30 is not a death knell for a WR. His current contract runs through to 34. I think barring injury it is far more likely you see the last year of his deal redone in an extension through him being 37 or so.

How many non-problem child 1500 yd WRs do you see getting released or traded? Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the answer is none.

Dutchrudder
12-04-2013, 11:10 AM
I just extended JJ Watt for 5 years for 5 million dollars! I should be GM! :doot:

Double Barrel
12-04-2013, 11:17 AM
Unfortunate for you. Jerry Rice began the most productive four season stretch of his career at 31 years old (AJ's age now) leading the league in receiving in three of the four years and leading the league in receptions in the 4th. We aren't talking RB here. 30 is not a death knell for a WR. His current contract runs through to 34. I think barring injury it is far more likely you see the last year of his deal redone in an extension through him being 37 or so.

How many non-problem child 1500 yd WRs do you see getting released or traded? Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the answer is none.

Yeah, I do not see McNair letting AJ go anywhere unless AJ asks for it (even then, who knows).

McNair used the term "legacy player" when talking about AJ, and it was in context of AJ playing for the Texans his entire career. I do not see him being released or traded unless it is something that McNair and AJ have worked out.

The only other player that McNair has used the term "legacy player" is JJ Watt, which is another reason I do not see him going anywhere (beyond the contract and franchise options the next four years).

badboy
12-04-2013, 11:18 AM
I just extended JJ Watt for 5 years for 5 million dollars! I should be GM! :doot:Do you have any room in the fantasy world you live in? lol

Troy Chapman
12-04-2013, 01:42 PM
Unfortunate for you. Jerry Rice began the most productive four season stretch of his career at 31 years old (AJ's age now) leading the league in receiving in three of the four years and leading the league in receptions in the 4th. We aren't talking RB here. 30 is not a death knell for a WR. His current contract runs through to 34. I think barring injury it is far more likely you see the last year of his deal redone in an extension through him being 37 or so.

How many non-problem child 1500 yd WRs do you see getting released or traded? Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the answer is none.

I would love to see AJ stay and be productive through the end of his contract and retire a Texan. But I remember that this is a business; there is a lot of money to be saved towards the cap by releasing him. If produces another great season in 2014 then keeping him is probably best. But if his production falls off, parting ways could be an option after the 2014 season. His base salary goes up dramatically in 2015.

infantrycak
12-04-2013, 01:53 PM
I would love to see AJ stay and be productive through the end of his contract and retire a Texan. But I remember that this is a business; there is a lot of money to be saved towards the cap by releasing him. If produces another great season in 2014 then keeping him is probably best. But if his production falls off, parting ways could be an option after the 2014 season. His base salary goes up dramatically in 2015.

I understand the reasoning but again where do you see non problem children highly productive WRs being released? The if his production falls off is a giant IF with the odds against it. Plus cutting him after 2014 (or trading him) creates $9 mil in dead money.

Texian
12-04-2013, 01:57 PM
Unfortunate for you. Jerry Rice began the most productive four season stretch of his career at 31 years old (AJ's age now) leading the league in receiving in three of the four years and leading the league in receptions in the 4th. We aren't talking RB here. 30 is not a death knell for a WR. His current contract runs through to 34. I think barring injury it is far more likely you see the last year of his deal redone in an extension through him being 37 or so.

How many non-problem child 1500 yd WRs do you see getting released or traded? Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the answer is none.

AJ has restructured his contract so many times I doubt there is a monetary advantage to releasing or trading AJ. I look at it this way, AJ would be a great advantage to a new QB in much the same way Reggie Wayne was to Andrew Luck.

Dutchrudder
12-04-2013, 01:59 PM
There is so much dead money sunk into AJ's contract after the dozen or so restructures he did, it's not even worth talking about moving him until after the 2014 season. Even then, would you really cut the guy or trade him? No way, you gotta extend him a year or two and restructure some of his salary to spread it out over his later years. AJ will probably do that. Guarantee him a good baseline of money for his last few years and let him retire a Texan at a bit lower rate.

leebigeztx
12-04-2013, 02:02 PM
Ive been using that site for awhile now. Posters like steelbluetexans is always talking about how bad smith has done. The thing about schaubs contract is i didnt like it when 1st announced, but when i really looked at it, it was a good deal. If he played well,it was a steal,if he sucked,they could get from under it. Smith had reservations about schaub from the get go thats why he structered it so.

I cut daniels,schaub,mccain and let all the free agents go and came up with 27m cap space.I didnt cut any cheap positional player ,but will be looking to upgrade.If nothing else,depth is created. aside from qb,nt,rt,2cbs,safety,te are sorely needed. Ive been watching alot of colege hops to see which of these too short nba pfs might be willing to try football.

Exascor
12-04-2013, 03:08 PM
Just some stats of who is signed for 2014 by position with key losses. This includes all the players that fans expect to possibly be cut like Schaub. Also the oline is tough to pick positions. Quessenberry is listed as a OT and Jones as C. Either could end up as guard.

QB - 3
RB - 2 (lost Ben Tate & Greg Jones)
WR - 6
TE - 2 (lost Garrett Graham)
OT - 4 (lost Ryan Harris)
OG - 3 (lost Wade Smith)
C - 2
DT - 0 (lost Earl Mitchell & Terrell McClain)
DE - 3 (lost Antonio Smith)
OLB - 4 (lost Brian Braman)
ILB - 3 (lost Joe Mays & Daryl Sharpton)
CB - 6
S -5
ST - 3

Total - 46

Lost 4 2013 starters, 5 primary backup/rotational players & 1 ST monster.

Exascor
12-05-2013, 12:58 PM
The Texans are in better shape cap wise than the past few years but they are still in poor position for 2014. We aren’t in total cap hell. I’d define that as having to cut good players just to fit under the cap. My rule for determining if a team is in good cap shape is if they can re-sign starters and/or primary backups without cutting, extending or restructuring contracts to get it done. People look at sites like overthecap and get excited thinking of all the cap space we’ll have. That’s like looking at yardage and deeming we have the best defense in the NFL. Here’s a breakdown:

123 million - 2014 Salary Cap Estimate
8 million - Estimated Texans Rookie Salary Pool
3 million - Dead Money
2 million – Space to replace IRed players/absorb roster churning cuts

That leaves 110 million cap space. In 2014 we already have 46 players signed that take up 114 million of cap space. That means we have negative 4 million in cap space. Add the 7-8 players that will be drafted to the 46 and we are at the 53 man roster already.

Some people say we are in fine cap shape because we can cut Schaub, Daniels, Manning, Joseph or a combination of them and a few other players. Think of what could have been. If Schaub returned to pre-Lisfranc level and we went to the AFC championship game this year – he’d be well worth the contract. If Daniels or Manning hadn’t been injured and played as well as they are capable – they’d be worth the contracts. Basically, you give someone a contract with the intent that they WILL perform to the level of their contract. Just because they have underperformed doesn’t mean cutting them was the intention when drawing up the contract. We have 4 2013 starters, 5 primary backup/rotational players that are FAs in 2014. Without cutting another player, restructuring or extending contracts we couldn’t re-sign any of them. Not even 1. What if one was irreplaceable? .

Bottom line is that Rick Smith hasn’t done a good job managing the cap - the Texans are really just lucky that players haven’t played well. Nobody will question cutting any of the starters listed. Think of it. If we cut all 4, we’ll have 8 new starters in 2014. BTW – that’s without addressing the remainder of the roster like Derek Newton.

acal21
12-05-2013, 08:16 PM
I just made enough room to take on adrian petersons contract, lets do it

amazing80
12-05-2013, 09:28 PM
The Texans are in better shape cap wise than the past few years but they are still in poor position for 2014. We aren’t in total cap hell. I’d define that as having to cut good players just to fit under the cap. My rule for determining if a team is in good cap shape is if they can re-sign starters and/or primary backups without cutting, extending or restructuring contracts to get it done. People look at sites like overthecap and get excited thinking of all the cap space we’ll have. That’s like looking at yardage and deeming we have the best defense in the NFL. Here’s a breakdown:

123 million - 2014 Salary Cap Estimate
8 million - Estimated Texans Rookie Salary Pool
3 million - Dead Money
2 million – Space to replace IRed players/absorb roster churning cuts

That leaves 110 million cap space. In 2014 we already have 46 players signed that take up 114 million of cap space. That means we have negative 4 million in cap space. Add the 7-8 players that will be drafted to the 46 and we are at the 53 man roster already.

Some people say we are in fine cap shape because we can cut Schaub, Daniels, Manning, Joseph or a combination of them and a few other players. Think of what could have been. If Schaub returned to pre-Lisfranc level and we went to the AFC championship game this year – he’d be well worth the contract. If Daniels or Manning hadn’t been injured and played as well as they are capable – they’d be worth the contracts. Basically, you give someone a contract with the intent that they WILL perform to the level of their contract. Just because they have underperformed doesn’t mean cutting them was the intention when drawing up the contract. We have 4 2013 starters, 5 primary backup/rotational players that are FAs in 2014. Without cutting another player, restructuring or extending contracts we couldn’t re-sign any of them. Not even 1. What if one was irreplaceable? .

Bottom line is that Rick Smith hasn’t done a good job managing the cap - the Texans are really just lucky that players haven’t played well. Nobody will question cutting any of the starters listed. Think of it. If we cut all 4, we’ll have 8 new starters in 2014. BTW – that’s without addressing the remainder of the roster like Derek Newton.


Thats a terrible take. If all those guys were playing well we would be good and contending for a super bowl. If that were the case our need for players would be severely less and thus would take less money.

Exascor
12-05-2013, 09:43 PM
Thats a terrible take. If all those guys were playing well we would be good and contending for a super bowl. If that were the case our need for players would be severely less and thus would take less money.

Meh - I think you misunderstood me some. The point is that if they were performing you would be forced to cut, restructure or extend in order to get under the cap and you still have starters to replace. That's terrible cap management.