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mussop
11-24-2013, 03:03 PM
As of today we now have the number 1 pick.

kiwitexansfan
11-24-2013, 03:06 PM
Let's draft Derek Carr!!!!

mussop
11-24-2013, 03:16 PM
Dammit I thought Minnesota won against Green Bay it's in overtime. Hello Minnesota

ziggy29
11-24-2013, 03:30 PM
Wow, Vikes up 23-7 in the 4th quarter and coughed it up. Wow, this one feels familiar, and has a similarly unpleasant ending.

Texian
11-24-2013, 03:40 PM
Dammit I thought Minnesota won against Green Bay it's in overtime. Hello Minnesota

Texans still likely to be #1 based opponent W-L %

otisbean
11-24-2013, 03:45 PM
Why couldn't we have had our meltdown a couple years ago

ziggy29
11-24-2013, 03:59 PM
Dammit I thought Minnesota won against Green Bay it's in overtime. Hello Minnesota

Vikings-Packers ended in a tie, which is almost as good as a Vikings win at this point.

mussop
11-24-2013, 04:05 PM
Vikings-Packers ended in a tie, which is almost as good as a Vikings win at this point.

Yes we are number one!

mussop
11-24-2013, 04:06 PM
Why couldn't we have had our meltdown a couple years ago

No ****!!!!!!!'

jaayteetx
11-24-2013, 04:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4jGSvxCRp4

Playoffs
11-24-2013, 05:05 PM
Well, it's a good thing we didn't do something drastic like trade away our 2014 1st rounder. :texanbill:

Wolf6151
11-24-2013, 05:07 PM
This team is so bad, now that we have the #1 spot in the draft we'll probably start winning and screw up our future as well.

htownfan32
11-24-2013, 05:15 PM
All aboard the 7PM May 8th train headed to Bridgewater, Houston.

leebigeztx
11-24-2013, 05:22 PM
All aboard the 7PM May 8th train headed to Bridgewater, Houston.

yep

Corrosion
11-24-2013, 05:42 PM
All aboard the 7PM May 8th train headed to Bridgewater, Houston.

Ugh , I feel that's a waste of a #1 overall pick ... He might be the best prospect in this draft class but I don't think he's gonna be all than in the NFL.

WolverineFan
11-24-2013, 05:46 PM
Ugh , I feel that's a waste of a #1 overall pick ... He might be the best prospect in this draft class but I don't think he's gonna be all than in the NFL.

Passing on the best QB in the draft for a RT sounds like a solid Plan B......

PapaL
11-24-2013, 05:55 PM
Can someone fix the title of this thread?

We WERE #1 in the AFC South. Now we're #1 overall draft pick bound.

htownfan32
11-24-2013, 06:09 PM
Can someone fix the title of this thread?

We WERE #1 in the AFC South. Now we're #1 overall draft pick bound.

We are number 1. In suckitude.

Corrosion
11-24-2013, 06:09 PM
Passing on the best QB in the draft for a RT sounds like a solid Plan B......

#1 might be a bit steep of a price to pay for an RT .... not so much for an LT as its a bit more important position. I really try to trade back from #1 of I don't believe in the QB's.

Im really torn again as to what to use the first rounder on , QB , OT , pass rusher ...

WolverineFan
11-24-2013, 06:13 PM
#1 might be a bit steep of a price to pay for an RT .... not so much for an LT as its a bit more important position. I really try to trade back from #1 of I don't believe in the QB's.

Im really torn again as to what to use the first rounder on , QB , OT , pass rusher ...

I think you have to go QB. That's the logical answer really. No team will go anywhere without a QB. We don't have one. After years of complaining about Schaub we will finally be in a position to do something about it.

Bridgewater is not the same caliber of prospect as Luck, but how often does that guy come along? We might be waiting a while if that's what we're holding out for. Bridgewater is clearly the best QB in this draft, JMO, and is easily an upgrade over Schaub/Keenum.

htownfan32
11-24-2013, 06:24 PM
Honestly, tackle can be addressed in the 2nd or 3rd. There's no need to reach.

mussop
11-24-2013, 06:26 PM
Can someone fix the title of this thread?

We WERE #1 in the AFC South. Now we're #1 overall draft pick bound.

Sorry, was a little wound up when I started thread.

Naiirb
11-24-2013, 07:28 PM
Why couldn't we have had our meltdown a couple years ago

Or next year when Jameis Winston becomes draft eligible. :kitten:

Texian
11-24-2013, 07:39 PM
To All those in love with Teddy Bridgewater, take a look at his long ball and notice how much air he puts under it in order to get it there. It may be OK in college but in the NFL it's an INT waiting to happen. Can you say floater?????

PapaL
11-24-2013, 07:44 PM
To All those in love with Teddy Bridgewater, take a look at his long ball and notice how much air he puts under it in order to get it there. It may be OK in college but in the NFL it's an INT waiting to happen. Can you say floater?????

As opposed to the floaters Keenum has been throwing or the floaters that fall short from Schaub?

Corrosion
11-24-2013, 08:37 PM
I think you have to go QB. That's the logical answer really. No team will go anywhere without a QB. We don't have one. After years of complaining about Schaub we will finally be in a position to do something about it.

Bridgewater is not the same caliber of prospect as Luck, but how often does that guy come along? We might be waiting a while if that's what we're holding out for. Bridgewater is clearly the best QB in this draft, JMO, and is easily an upgrade over Schaub/Keenum.

Hard to argue against a QB .... just have to decide which one.


Im not at all sold on Bridgewater. I might take Mariota over him based upon physical talent alone , he's just a bigger , stronger , faster guy .... with a bigger arm. Just not sure which one has the better mental game .... ugh. I hate the position we're in because I think any of them could be busts.

Honoring Earl 34
11-24-2013, 08:53 PM
Hard to argue against a QB .... just have to decide which one.


Im not at all sold on Bridgewater. I might take Mariota over him based upon physical talent alone , he's just a bigger , stronger , faster guy .... with a bigger arm. Just not sure which one has the better mental game .... ugh. I hate the position we're in because I think any of them could be busts.

Maybe Clowney gets 53 sacks the rest of the season and then runs a 4.35 at the combine .

Corrosion
11-24-2013, 09:09 PM
Maybe Clowney gets 53 sacks the rest of the season and then runs a 4.35 at the combine .

As good as I think he could be , its really difficult for me to take him .... Guys with motor issues ...

Honoring Earl 34
11-24-2013, 09:11 PM
As good as I think he could be , its really difficult for me to take him .... Guys with motor issues ...

Somebody would want him .

WolverineFan
11-24-2013, 09:39 PM
Hard to argue against a QB .... just have to decide which one.


Im not at all sold on Bridgewater. I might take Mariota over him based upon physical talent alone , he's just a bigger , stronger , faster guy .... with a bigger arm. Just not sure which one has the better mental game .... ugh. I hate the position we're in because I think any of them could be busts.

Bridgewater definitely has the better mental game. That's why so many scouts like him. Watch his pocket presence and his progressions. Look at how unconcerned he is with the blitz and how quickly he gets the ball out under pressure. The only knock on him is competition. His arm strength isn't elite, but it's more than enough. IMO, the only reason he's not a consensus can't miss QB prospect is because he doesn't have the arm cannon that Stafford, Flacco, etc have.

Honoring Earl 34
11-24-2013, 09:45 PM
Bridgewater definitely has the better mental game. That's why so many scouts like him. Watch his pocket presence and his progressions. Look at how unconcerned he is with the blitz and how quickly he gets the ball out under pressure. The only knock on him is competition. His arm strength isn't elite, but it's more than enough. IMO, the only reason he's not a consensus can't miss QB prospect is because he doesn't have the arm cannon that Stafford, Flacco, etc have.

Teddy has nimble feet to go along with what you mentioned . That's what stuck out to me .

ArlingtonTexan
11-24-2013, 09:48 PM
As of today we now have the number 1 pick.

actually....

(8:00 PM): Top two picks looking South ... Jacksonville could have pretty much wrapped up the #1 pick at the 2014 draft with a loss today in Houston, but the suddenly resurgent Jaguars won for the second time in three weeks to really tighten up the race to acquire the first pick overall at this year's draft. However, despite the win, Jacksonville will keep the first pick for at least another week as the Jaguars have a considerably weaker strength of schedule than Houston and Atlanta, the other two teams with two losses. In fact, if the draft were held this week, Houston would pick second, followed by Atlanta at #3, with Minnesota, which got a tie with Green Bay earlier today, in the 4th slot. And in the end, who gets the top pick this year could come down to the rematch between the #1 Jaguars and #2 Texans in two weeks. As usual, the full, updated first-round selection order for the upcoming draft will be posted after tomorrow night's Monday nighter.

http://gbnreport.com/

leebigeztx
11-24-2013, 11:17 PM
Bridgewater definitely has the better mental game. That's why so many scouts like him. Watch his pocket presence and his progressions. Look at how unconcerned he is with the blitz and how quickly he gets the ball out under pressure. The only knock on him is competition. His arm strength isn't elite, but it's more than enough. IMO, the only reason he's not a consensus can't miss QB prospect is because he doesn't have the arm cannon that Stafford, Flacco, etc have.

Pretty much. He has a nfl arm in the mold of manning,kelly,eli. His poise is about the best I've seen for a guy that young. There will be people talking trading down which foolish. Makes no sense for texans.

steelbtexan
11-24-2013, 11:54 PM
Why couldn't we have had our meltdown a couple years ago

They did: 2010

steelbtexan
11-25-2013, 12:07 AM
Passing on the best QB in the draft for a RT sounds like a solid Plan B......

Trade down get a top 10 number 1 a 2014 # 2 and a 2015 # 1. Fill the holes this draft yr and use the 2 number 1;s and a 2016 # 1 to move up to take Winston,Petty or my #1 guy Hogan.

Hopefully the new regime will focus on the foundation 1st instead of the HWNSNBM all over again,

This is the right way to build a team. Hopefully the new regime will know what they're doing.

Corrosion
11-25-2013, 12:26 AM
Trade down get a top 10 number 1 a 2014 # 2 and a 2015 # 1. Fill the holes this draft yr and use the 2 number 1;s and a 2016 # 1 to move up to take Winston,Petty or my #1 guy Hogan.

Hopefully the new regime will focus on the foundation 1st instead of the HWNSNBM all over again,

This is the right way to build a team. Hopefully the new regime will know what they're doing.

What if Winston is in jail ?!

steelbtexan
11-25-2013, 12:37 AM
Bridgewater definitely has the better mental game. That's why so many scouts like him. Watch his pocket presence and his progressions. Look at how unconcerned he is with the blitz and how quickly he gets the ball out under pressure. The only knock on him is competition. His arm strength isn't elite, but it's more than enough. IMO, the only reason he's not a consensus can't miss QB prospect is because he doesn't have the arm cannon that Stafford, Flacco, etc have.

After the last 8 yrs of Schaub, I would rather draft McCarron in the 3rd (Same size/arm stegth/taler etc in the 3rrd rd than take Bridgewater #1 over all. They have many of the same attributrs.

steelbtexan
11-25-2013, 12:43 AM
Pretty much. He has a nfl arm in the mold of manning,kelly,eli. His poise is about the best I've seen for a guy that young. There will be people talking trading down which foolish. Makes no sense for texans.

Unless you think the 2015 QB ckass is better and you can use the 2014 class to build the team correctly. We tried what you're suggesting repeating the HWNSNBM mistake again?

steelbtexan
11-25-2013, 12:48 AM
What if Winston is in jail ?!

Winston's not going to jail.

Is he guilty? That's anoyher question.

I'm glad they didn't check for DNA when I was in college. (No, I always have consentual sex)

otisbean
11-25-2013, 07:00 AM
They did: 2010

I meant "first pick of the draft" meltdown. It would have been nice to have to choose between Luck and RG3.

I think they are some very good FB players available in the upcoming draft, but I'm not sure there is a sure fire stud. I think talent wise it's Clowney but I hate hearing a player has motor issues

PapaL
11-25-2013, 07:13 AM
After the last 8 yrs of Schaub, I would rather draft McCarron in the 3rd (Same size/arm stegth/taler etc in the 3rrd rd than take Bridgewater #1 over all. They have many of the same attributrs.

And with that torn ACL he suffered this week he is just as mobile as Schaub too.

*Disregard - I'm a dumba$$*

otisbean
11-25-2013, 07:20 AM
And with that torn ACL he suffered this week he is just as mobile as Schaub too.

Are you thinking of Aaron Murray from Georgia?

PapaL
11-25-2013, 08:41 AM
Are you thinking of Aaron Murray from Georgia?

You are correct. :smiliepalm: My bad.

htownfan32
11-25-2013, 10:45 AM
I bet anything Teddy Bridgewater prays every day that we fall to the first round pick so he can end up here in Houston rather than in Jacksonville :kitten:

WolverineFan
11-25-2013, 11:01 AM
After the last 8 yrs of Schaub, I would rather draft McCarron in the 3rd (Same size/arm stegth/taler etc in the 3rrd rd than take Bridgewater #1 over all. They have many of the same attributrs.

So you would rather have Schaub Jr instead of a guy who compares favorably to Andrew Luck, albeit not quite that talented?

Bridgewater has the same quick release, quick feet, great pocket presence, and quick decision making that Luck does. The only thing he doesn't have is Luck's experience calling plays and making adjustments at the line or his elite arm.

I've seen what Schaub and McCarron can do. We don't need a game mananger. Game managers don't win championships unless they have the 2000 Ravens defense behind them. The league has changed and you need a Quarterback to win big.

Honoring Earl 34
11-25-2013, 11:13 AM
So you would rather have Schaub Jr instead of a guy who compares favorably to Andrew Luck, albeit not quite that talented?

Bridgewater has the same quick release, quick feet, great pocket presence, and quick decision making that Luck does. The only thing he doesn't have is Luck's experience calling plays and making adjustments at the line or his elite arm.

I've seen what Schaub and McCarron can do. We don't need a game mananger. Game managers don't win championships unless they have the 2000 Ravens defense behind them. The league has changed and you need a Quarterback to win big.

I'd say Teddy doesn't have Luck's size . Teddy is quicker in his movements , sliding in the pocket and release . Like Luck , Teddy operates an offense used in the pros WCO . Like Luck , Teddy graduates in December of his junior year .

WolverineFan
11-25-2013, 11:24 AM
I'd say Teddy doesn't have Luck's size . Teddy is quicker in his movements , sliding in the pocket and release . Like Luck , Teddy operates an offense used in the pros WCO . Like Luck , Teddy graduates in December of his junior year .

I agree. My point to Steel though was why take McCarron and perpetuate the cycle. You can't win championships in the NFL with game managers. If you see him as Schaub Jr then why are you contemplating drafting him instead of running as fast as you can in the other direction.

Scouts see McCarron as an average or above average starter in the league. He's a guy who won't turn the ball over and can solidify a team's QB position. But he'll never take you to the promised land. He's basically Alex Smith.

Scouts see Bridgewater as a guy who can take his team to the next level, a lot like Luck did immediately with the Colts. The Colts have a horrible O-Line, a few good WR's and TE's and some not very good RB's. Luck carried them to the playoffs last year and will win the division this year.

If you see that guy, you grab him and build around him. You don't build around nothing and just wait 10 years for that guy to hopefully come along and you hopefully be in a position to grab him.

mussop
12-02-2013, 06:34 AM
Well it's official now boys we're number one!::woot2::coolb::play::whoohoo::elmo::fans:

mussop
12-02-2013, 07:06 AM
I agree. My point to Steel though was why take McCarron and perpetuate the cycle. You can't win championships in the NFL with game managers. If you see him as Schaub Jr then why are you contemplating drafting him instead of running as fast as you can in the other direction.

Scouts see McCarron as an average or above average starter in the league. He's a guy who won't turn the ball over and can solidify a team's QB position. But he'll never take you to the promised land. He's basically Alex Smith.

Scouts see Bridgewater as a guy who can take his team to the next level, a lot like Luck did immediately with the Colts. The Colts have a horrible O-Line, a few good WR's and TE's and some not very good RB's. Luck carried them to the playoffs last year and will win the division this year.

If you see that guy, you grab him and build around him. You don't build around nothing and just wait 10 years for that guy to hopefully come along and you hopefully be in a position to grab him.

I was just saying the same thing yesterday to a friend. Why spend a draft pick on a "game manager"? If that's all you want at the QB position bring in a vet with those qualities at the vet minimum.

I want a gun slinger. A guy that has attributes that will allow him to carry a team at times. I don't care which ever one of Bridgewater, Manzel or Mariota rise to the top in the draft process is fine with me. Hell it may be another guy like Carr or metenburger (sp). Whatever!

If none of the QB's stand out then and only then I would trade down. Even then I would still target QB with first pick. I could see a scenario where we use our second round pick to trade up into the first for our QB but no later than that.

steelbtexan
12-02-2013, 08:02 AM
So you would rather have Schaub Jr instead of a guy who compares favorably to Andrew Luck, albeit not quite that talented?

Bridgewater has the same quick release, quick feet, great pocket presence, and quick decision making that Luck does. The only thing he doesn't have is Luck's experience calling plays and making adjustments at the line or his elite arm.

I've seen what Schaub and McCarron can do. We don't need a game mananger. Game managers don't win championships unless they have the 2000 Ravens defense behind them. The league has changed and you need a Quarterback to win big.

I really dont want a QB from this draft. Teddy doesn't have elite arm strength, I want my franchise QB to have elite arm strength and to have played against top competition. Teddy is a media darling who will be a good not great QB.

Now the 2015 QB's have all of the qualities I look for in a franchise QB. I just hope they dont reach for a QB because they need one.

steelbtexan
12-02-2013, 08:53 AM
I agree. My point to Steel though was why take McCarron and perpetuate the cycle. You can't win championships in the NFL with game managers. If you see him as Schaub Jr then why are you contemplating drafting him instead of running as fast as you can in the other direction.

Scouts see McCarron as an average or above average starter in the league. He's a guy who won't turn the ball over and can solidify a team's QB position. But he'll never take you to the promised land. He's basically Alex Smith.

Scouts see Bridgewater as a guy who can take his team to the next level, a lot like Luck did immediately with the Colts. The Colts have a horrible O-Line, a few good WR's and TE's and some not very good RB's. Luck carried them to the playoffs last year and will win the division this year.

If you see that guy, you grab him and build around him. You don't build around nothing and just wait 10 years for that guy to hopefully come along and you hopefully be in a position to grab him.

Some scouts may see Bridgewater that way, I dont.

I would be good with Clowney #1 and even though I dont really like the QB's trading up to say 25 and taking Manziel/Mettenberger etc....

Clowney is way above Bridgewater on my board. You cant pass on an elite pass rusher for a QB with a slightly above avg arm. IMHO


Rick doesn't think outside the box, so this will never happen and Bridgewater will be 1-1. But people should be careful for what they wish for.

badboy
12-02-2013, 09:08 AM
I agree. My point to Steel though was why take McCarron and perpetuate the cycle. You can't win championships in the NFL with game managers. If you see him as Schaub Jr then why are you contemplating drafting him instead of running as fast as you can in the other direction.

Scouts see McCarron as an average or above average starter in the league. He's a guy who won't turn the ball over and can solidify a team's QB position. But he'll never take you to the promised land. He's basically Alex Smith.

Scouts see Bridgewater as a guy who can take his team to the next level, a lot like Luck did immediately with the Colts. The Colts have a horrible O-Line, a few good WR's and TE's and some not very good RB's. Luck carried them to the playoffs last year and will win the division this year.

If you see that guy, you grab him and build around him. You don't build around nothing and just wait 10 years for that guy to hopefully come along and you hopefully be in a position to grab him.Please support the bolded with some factual link or admit that it is your opinion and not "scouts".

beerlover
12-02-2013, 09:13 AM
QB is simply the most important position in the NFL & Texans have never had an elite QB merely serviceable. It's time when you have a shot to bring one in.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000260215/article/all-signs-point-to-teddy-bridgewater-entering-2014-nfl-draft

Texian
12-02-2013, 09:13 AM
Scouts see McCarron as an average or above average starter in the league. He's a guy who won't turn the ball over and can solidify a team's QB position. But he'll never take you to the promised land. He's basically Alex Smith.

Scouts see Bridgewater as a guy who can take his team to the next level, a lot like Luck did immediately with the Colts. The Colts have a horrible O-Line, a few good WR's and TE's and some not very good RB's. Luck carried them to the playoffs last year and will win the division this year.


The correct terminology for your use of scouts is media sportswriters see......

bah007
12-02-2013, 09:18 AM
LOL I know WolverineFan can probably defend himself in this thread but I'm gonna step in here. I know y'all don't know this and there's no way you could, but I know WolverineFan outside of this message board and he actually works for a scout.

I see where y'all are coming from but the guy actually knows his stuff.

HJam72
12-02-2013, 09:21 AM
QB is simply the most important position in the NFL & Texans have never had an elite QB merely serviceable. It's time when you have a shot to bring one in.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000260215/article/all-signs-point-to-teddy-bridgewater-entering-2014-nfl-draft

Exactly right.

Texian
12-02-2013, 09:32 AM
LOL I know WolverineFan can probably defend himself in this thread but I'm gonna step in here. I know y'all don't know this and there's no way you could, but I know WolverineFan outside of this message board and he actually works for a scout.

I see where y'all are coming from but the guy actually knows his stuff.

I stand by statement. Media sportswriters and wanna be's love them some Teddy Bridgewater. NFL draft boards will NOT share in their enthusiasm.

WolverineFan
12-02-2013, 09:48 AM
I stand by statement. Media sportswriters and wanna be's love them some Teddy Bridgewater. NFL draft boards will NOT share in their enthusiasm.

1) The bolded above is absolutely false. Bridgewater is the consensus top QB among the scouting community.

2) NFL teams love potential just as much as sportswriters or "wanna be's". How else do you explain a guy like Gabbert going #10? Or Ponder going #12? What about Tannehill going #8 while Foles and Cousins go 3-4? How about Tebow going #25 or Josh Freeman going #17? What about Jamarcus Russell going #1?

Bridgewater has that upside that teams look for. McCarron does not. Does that mean Bridgewater will be the superior pro? No. But most people are expecting him to be.

Texian
12-02-2013, 09:54 AM
1) The bolded above is absolutely false. Bridgewater is the consensus top QB among the scouting community.


You forgot to include IMHO unless of course you're a FKIA. :)

steelbtexan
12-02-2013, 10:07 AM
1) The bolded above is absolutely false. Bridgewater is the consensus top QB among the scouting community.

2) NFL teams love potential just as much as sportswriters or "wanna be's". How else do you explain a guy like Gabbert going #10? Or Ponder going #12? What about Tannehill going #8 while Foles and Cousins go 3-4? How about Tebow going #25 or Josh Freeman going #17? What about Jamarcus Russell going #1?

Bridgewater has that upside that teams look for. McCarron does not. Does that mean Bridgewater will be the superior pro? No. But most people are expecting him to be.


Some scouts may love Bridgewater, I'm sure you do. He may be the consensus #1 QB. But I think he's no franchise QB and spending the #1 pick in the draft on a guy like him would be a mistake. Just because you need a QB doesn't mean you should reach for one. Reaching for a QB puts a team in the same situation as the Jags and Gabbert.

With that said, I'm sure if Rick gets to make the pick Bridgewater will be the guy. 10 more yrs of the Carr crap will ensue all over again. The Texans will never learn.

badboy
12-02-2013, 10:12 AM
Over the last few weeks all of the top QBs have done little to pull away from the pack. I expect several to return to school. I still don't see an elite or "franchise" QB although some could develop. I'm still leaning towards going with Keenum and bringing in a vet FA on cheap. I could go either way with leaving yates on roster or cutting him.

TexansSeminole
12-02-2013, 10:17 AM
I've watched the Redskins over the past two weeks and it has had an impact on me. They have their franchise QB, but what good is it when he's getting sacked or hit on half their plays? I get that you need a big time QB to compete for championships, and I agree with it, but I don't like the idea of drafting a top QB without the proper protection. You run the risk of hurting him either physically or changing his habits, which is what some people believe happened to Carr.

I'm starting to move into the "we need to get better in both trenches" mindset as the season progresses. Hopefully that doesn't mean we need to go tackle in round 1, pick 1-3, but if it does I am prepared to be satisfied with that.

Texian
12-02-2013, 10:18 AM
From the way this QB class is shaping up, trading back appears to be the best option if that opportunity presented itself...IMHO of course.

WolverineFan
12-02-2013, 10:20 AM
Some scouts may love Bridgewater, I'm sure you do. He may be the consensus #1 QB. But I think he's no franchise QB and spending the #1 pick in the draft on a guy like him would be a mistake. Just because you need a QB doesn't mean you should reach for one. Reaching for a QB puts a team in the same situation as the Jags and Gabbert.

All great points. Bridgewater may or may not be a franchise QB, you never really know for sure until that guy is in the league (Luck/Manning being pretty much the only exceptions). He is certainly regarded as the guy with the highest potential for it in this draft though.

WolverineFan
12-02-2013, 10:27 AM
I've watched the Redskins over the past two weeks and it has had an impact on me. They have their franchise QB, but what good is it when he's getting sacked or hit on half their plays? I get that you need a big time QB to compete for championships, and I agree with it, but I don't like the idea of drafting a top QB without the proper protection. You run the risk of hurting him either physically or changing his habits, which is what some people believe happened to Carr.

I'm starting to move into the "we need to get better in both trenches" mindset as the season progresses. Hopefully that doesn't mean we need to go tackle in round 1, pick 1-3, but if it does I am prepared to be satisfied with that.

Fair points. I would love to build up the rest of the roster as well. But it's a QB driven league and if you don't have one then you are left out in the cold.

RG3 is obviously not healthy this year. He carried a terrible team to the playoffs last year, as did Luck. Luck will do the same again this year.

Meanwhile, a team like the Browns has a good defense, a very good O-Line, and a young stud WR, and they can't sniff the playoffs because they don't have a QB.

TexansSeminole
12-02-2013, 10:31 AM
Fair points. I would love to build up the rest of the roster as well. But it's a QB driven league and if you don't have one then you are left out in the cold.

RG3 is obviously not healthy this year. He carried a terrible team to the playoffs last year, as did Luck. Luck will do the same again this year.

Meanwhile, a team like the Browns has a good defense, a very good O-Line, and a young stud WR, and they can't sniff the playoffs because they don't have a QB.

I don't disagree. I think there is merit to both points. The question is, can we dramatically improve our protection AND get our future franchise QB. I hope so.

The thing I worry about is a run on tackles, like the Duane Brown draft. You get 8 or so tackles taken in round 1, you may not be able to get your guy in round 2-4.

steelbtexan
12-02-2013, 10:38 AM
Fair points. I would love to build up the rest of the roster as well. But it's a QB driven league and if you don't have one then you are left out in the cold.

RG3 is obviously not healthy this year. He carried a terrible team to the playoffs last year, as did Luck. Luck will do the same again this year.

Meanwhile, a team like the Browns has a good defense, a very good O-Line, and a young stud WR, and they can't sniff the playoffs because they don't have a QB.

I wuld rather go with more of a sure thing at 1-1. Matthews/Clowney and then trade back into the bottom of the 1st rd for a guy like Mettenberger/Bortles etc....

There's less risk at 25/32 drafting a QB this yr than taking Bridgewater at #1. Plus you get your elite pass rusher Clowney and your QB of the future. This fills the 2 most important positions on the team. Then you can use the rest of the draft to fix the OL. If this happened I would be a very happy fan.

What would be the cost to move up from 34 to say 25? A 2nd/4th this yr and a 2nd next yr? I dont have a trade value chart.

WolverineFan
12-02-2013, 10:45 AM
I don't disagree. I think there is merit to both points. The question is, can we dramatically improve our protection AND get our future franchise QB. I hope so.

The thing I worry about is a run on tackles, like the Duane Brown draft. You get 8 or so tackles taken in round 1, you may not be able to get your guy in round 2-4.

The good thing about OT this year is it is very deep. We can still find a quality RT outside of the 1st round.

Texian
12-02-2013, 10:48 AM
How else do you explain a guy like Gabbert going #10? Or Ponder going #12? What about Tannehill going #8 while Foles and Cousins go 3-4? How about Tebow going #25 or Josh Freeman going #17? What about Jamarcus Russell going #1?

Bridgewater has that upside that teams look for. McCarron does not. Does that mean Bridgewater will be the superior pro? No. But most people are expecting him to be.

Simple, it's the one position, with the most demand, which is also the hardest to fill. Without a good QB you cannot succeed. To many GMs don't have the patience and feel compelled to make something happen even when there is no there, there. The pressure of the job and the hot seat for a HC or GM often force them to make wrong decisions. Many of those faulty decisions are based on fear and missing on a Top QB more than actually finding a top QB. Basic human behavior. It only takes one team's desperate panic decision to prove you right or wrong. One thing that is often constant and consistent is a team or teams to make a desperate panic decisions. Because of this there will always be many more bad decisions than right decisions. It's the nature of the beast. HCs and GMs are people too.

WolverineFan
12-02-2013, 10:51 AM
I wuld rather go with more of a sure thing at 1-1. Matthews/Clowney and then trade back into the bottom of the 1st rd for a guy like Mettenberger/Bortles etc....

There's less risk at 25/32 drafting a QB this yr than taking Bridgewater at #1. Plus you get your elite pass rusher Clowney and your QB of the future. This fills the 2 most important positions on the team. Then you can use the rest of the draft to fix the OL. If this happened I would be a very happy fan.

What would be the cost to move up from 34 to say 25? A 2nd/4th this yr and a 2nd next yr? I dont have a trade value chart.

What makes Mettenberger or Bortles at #25 a better option than Bridgewater at #1? How is the risk less? You're trading 2-3 draft picks for that guy.

I understand landing a top prospect in Clowney, but how is that any different than taking Bridgewater #1 and grabbing a DE like Murphy, Crichton, or Martin at the top of the 2nd? In that scenario you grab a pass rusher + QB and don't lose picks.

steelbtexan
12-02-2013, 10:53 AM
The good thing about OT this year is it is very deep. We can still find a quality RT outside of the 1st round.

I would be very happy with a draft of

Rd.1 Clowney
Rd.1 Mettenberger
Rd.3 Morgan Moses.

Later this week I hope to do a mock with a couple of trade ups.

bah007
12-02-2013, 10:54 AM
I stand by statement. Media sportswriters and wanna be's love them some Teddy Bridgewater. NFL draft boards will NOT share in their enthusiasm.

It's your right to stand by your statement. But I'll just point out, it is odd that you are allowed to make assessments like the one above and state them as fact, but other posters are not.

WolverineFan
12-02-2013, 10:55 AM
Simple, it's the one position in the most demand which is also the hardest to fill. Without a good QB you cannot succeed. To many GMs don't have the patience and feel compelled to make something happen even when there is no there, there. The pressure of the job and the hot seat for a HC or GM often force them to make wrong decisions. Many of those faulty decisions are based on fear and missing on a Top QB more than actually finding a top QB. Basic human behavior. It only takes one team's desperate panic decision to prove you right or wrong. One thing that is often constant and consistent is a team or teams to make a desperate panic decisions. Because of this there will always be many more bad decisions than right decisions. It's the nature of the beast. HCs and GMs are people too.

Very good points. It's hard to blame HC's or GM's though because if they don't find a QB that will invigorate the fanbase and satisfy the owner then they will be looking for a new job in 3 years. At least that's the case most of the time.

bah007
12-02-2013, 10:56 AM
Simple, it's the one position in the most demand which is also the hardest to fill. Without a good QB you cannot succeed. To many GMs don't have the patience and feel compelled to make something happen even when there is no there, there. The pressure of the job and the hot seat for a HC or GM often force them to make wrong decisions. Many of those faulty decisions are based on fear and missing on a Top QB more than actually finding a top QB. Basic human behavior. It only takes one team's desperate panic decision to prove you right or wrong. One thing that is often constant and consistent is a team or teams to make a desperate panic decisions. Because of this there will always be many more bad decisions than right decisions. It's the nature of the beast. HCs and GMs are people too.

Good point. Most bad QB decisions in this league appear to be made by GMs and HCs who are just taking a shot in the dark trying to avoid getting fired.

Picks like Gabbert and Ponder drive me nuts. It's a surefire way to set your franchise back an additional five years.

WolverineFan
12-02-2013, 10:58 AM
I would be very happy with a draft of

Rd.1 Clowney
Rd.1 Mettenberger
Rd.3 Morgan Moses.

Later this week I hope to do a mock with a couple of trade ups.

I prefer Barr over Clowney personally, but there is no doubting that pass rusher, QB, and OT are our biggest needs.

Texian
12-02-2013, 11:02 AM
It's your right to stand by your statement. But I'll just point out, it is odd that you are allowed to make assessments like the one above and state them as fact, but other posters are not.

Standing by my statement is my opinion and doesn't necessarily make it a fact. If it makes you feel better and more comfortable, I stand by my opinion. If I ever make a statement that alludes to exactly what NFL Scouts think please ask me to provide a link for my comment. I probably won't be able to but I know plenty of links about what the media sportswriters are thinking. There are also 32 NFL teams and that likely means that there could be 32 different opinions.

bah007
12-02-2013, 11:09 AM
Standing by my statement is my opinion and doesn't necessarily make it a fact. If it makes you feel better and more comfortable, I stand by my opinion. If I ever make a statement that alludes to exactly what NFL Scouts think please ask me to provide a link for my comment. I probably won't be able to but I know plenty of links about what the media sportswriters are thinking. There are also 32 NFL teams and that likely means that there could be 32 different opinions.

All very much true. I was just curious as to why you would call out one poster for spouting off the opinions of scouts that he may or may not have access to, but then in the very next post exclaim so certainly that you know what NFL draft boards will look like.

htownfan32
12-02-2013, 11:11 AM
I don't disagree. I think there is merit to both points. The question is, can we dramatically improve our protection AND get our future franchise QB. I hope so.

The thing I worry about is a run on tackles, like the Duane Brown draft. You get 8 or so tackles taken in round 1, you may not be able to get your guy in round 2-4.

Picking first in the second round, I'm fairly sure we will be able to get a solid right tackle, barring a crazy run on them.

infantrycak
12-02-2013, 11:21 AM
What would be the cost to move up from 34 to say 25? A 2nd/4th this yr and a 2nd next yr? I dont have a trade value chart.

By the chart 34 (560 pts) to 25 (720 pts) would cost 86 (3rd round 160 pts) or a lower half 2nd round pick next season.

What makes Mettenberger or Bortles at #25 a better option than Bridgewater at #1? How is the risk less? You're trading 2-3 draft picks for that guy.

I'd like an answer on this one as well. Is there not a guy who will be a good safe bet at RT in the upper 2nd?

I share some of the sure fire concerns over Bridgewater, Manziel, etc. but it sure does seem like you are accepting a game manager or much lower potential going to a McCarron or Mettenberger. Would it be so bad to have someone between Duane Brown and Winston plugged in at RT?

Texian
12-02-2013, 11:29 AM
The good thing about OT this year is it is very deep. We can still find a quality RT outside of the 1st round.

What makes Mettenberger or Bortles at #25 a better option than Bridgewater at #1? How is the risk less? You're trading 2-3 draft picks for that guy.

I understand landing a top prospect in Clowney, but how is that any different than taking Bridgewater #1 and grabbing a DE like Murphy, Crichton, or Martin at the top of the 2nd? In that scenario you grab a pass rusher + QB and don't lose picks.

I would be very happy with a draft of

Rd.1 Clowney
Rd.1 Mettenberger
Rd.3 Morgan Moses.

Later this week I hope to do a mock with a couple of trade ups.

It's not uncommon for 6-8 OT to go in the first rd. There could be 6-7 OTs that could go in the first rd of 2014 draft. After that there is a drop off to 3rd and 4th Rd value. The Texans already have that with Williams and Quess.

IMHO I think a team who can draft Mettenberger, Murray or Bortles in the middle of Rd 1 will be better served with the better/best QBs in this draft.

I am currently in the camp of trading back. Especially if a team wants to offer up 3 1st RD draft picks to do so. That's what it will take plus some to move up to #1.

My preferential today is trading back, landing Bortles, Mettenberger or Murray as a QB. Irving, Kouandjio, Richardson or Scherff as OT in RD 1. DE Aaron Donald and TE Austin Sefarian-Jenkins in Rd 2. And an additional 2015 1st rd pick.

I know I accuse many of wishful thinking and hoping and I am aware that I have engaged on a large scale of doing exactly the same here with this post.

bah007
12-02-2013, 11:36 AM
Trading back is usually my favorite choice in the first round unless there is a guy we absolutely must have. All four of my top choices for us have questions.

Bridgewater - clearly the best QB in this class, but valid questions as to whether he is elite or not
Matthews - fantastic technician with limited upside, not as good as the A&M OT from last year, great but not elite
Clowney - most talented player in the draft, but valid questions about a variety of things
Barr - my top choice if we stay in a 34 with the next regime but not if we switch

steelbtexan
12-02-2013, 11:46 AM
By the chart 34 (560 pts) to 25 (720 pts) would cost 86 (3rd round 160 pts) or a lower half 2nd round pick next season.



I'd like an answer on this one as well. Is there not a guy who will be a good safe bet at RT in the upper 2nd?

I share some of the sure fire concerns over Bridgewater, Manziel, etc. but it sure does seem like you are accepting a game manager or much lower potential going to a McCarron or Mettenberger. Would it be so bad to have someone between Duane Brown and Winston plugged in at RT?

Thanks, I would be willing to move up and give up a 3rd. Then hope Moses fell to the top of the 4th or trade up 5-7 spots back into the 3rd and pick Moses. I've watched him several times and while he's on a horrible team with a terrible QB. Moses appears to be very strong in the run game and can pass protect very well too. He's a mountain of a man with very long arms. Another good thing about Moses is that he's played RT before moving to LT this yr, so the learning curve shouldn't be as great.

With an arm like Mettenbergers you consider him to be a game manager? He has an elite arm and has played in a pro system under Cam Cameron this yr. He has made great strides this yr and is just begining to scratch the surface of his potential. IMHO. Mettenberger reminds me of Ben/Flacco/Rivers. You could do alot worse. While I like McCarron alot, the combine will be huge for him. I think he can be more than a game manager.

I like Mettenbergers potential at 25 much more than Bridgewater at 1-1. Plus you get to add the best pass rusher in the draft. Clwney, who is going to light up the combine MW style, or Barr. IMHO Either way you address the 2 most important positions on the team.

beerlover
12-02-2013, 11:57 AM
Watch Beidgewater film, kid throws lasers, quick decision maker who can extend plays. My biggest concern as of now is who will be coaching him. Would Tony Dungy be interested in a return to coaching?

Texian
12-02-2013, 11:58 AM
All very much true. I was just curious as to why you would call out one poster for spouting off the opinions of scouts that he may or may not have access to, but then in the very next post exclaim so certainly that you know what NFL draft boards will look like.

I should've have used IMHO. However, based on history I don't think there has ever been an active NFL Scout who has publicly discussed prior to the draft the potential of a player, their positives, negatives and draft ranking. If they've one must be leery of false or misleading information. False and misleading information seem to be more of the norm when NFL teams release information about perspective draft picks. Another thing that I have learned by what has been said by NFL GMs is that team draft boards are not even set until 2-3 weeks prior to the draft. So at this point there is no consenus #1 draft pick on an NFL draft board (this season isn't even over). Also based on history I don't know of any sportswriter or any journalistic draft scout wannabe who has picked the correct order of players drafted or 100% of a team's draft picks. You're right I shouldn't assume that everyone knows this.

Texn4life
12-02-2013, 12:08 PM
For me, I have to wait and see how the evaluation process goes. Bridgewater could put up ridiculous numbers in an Oregon or A&M offense, but they kind of run a slow plodding offense. I like his moxy though and what he brings to the table from an intangibles standpoint.

Clowney is simply a freak of nature. He made some plays the other night that guys his size shouldn't be making. The fact that he's played bored all year scares me though. He'll have to prove that this was something that won't translate to the next level. Seeing as how we just wasted a draft pick last year dealing with the same thing isn't a comforting feeling, but his talent level is hard to overlook.

steelbtexan
12-02-2013, 01:14 PM
For me, I have to wait and see how the evaluation process goes. Bridgewater could put up ridiculous numbers in an Oregon or A&M offense, but they kind of run a slow plodding offense. I like his moxy though and what he brings to the table from an intangibles standpoint.

Clowney is simply a freak of nature. He made some plays the other night that guys his size shouldn't be making. The fact that he's played bored all year scares me though. He'll have to prove that this was something that won't translate to the next level. Seeing as how we just wasted a draft pick last year dealing with the same thing isn't a comforting feeling, but his talent level is hard to overlook.


Cant really blame Clowney especially after seeing Lattimore get hurt last yr and fall from a 1st rd ( losing millions $$$$) to the 5th/6th rd.

mussop
12-02-2013, 01:45 PM
Cant really blame Clowney especially after seeing Lattimore get hurt last yr and fall from a 1st rd ( losing millions $$$$) to the 5th/6th rd.

I think this is exactly what happened. I don't blame him one bit. He's pro ready and knows he's just buying time. In his position most would do the same thing. Especially aftet seeing first hand what happend to a teammate.

bah007
12-02-2013, 01:52 PM
Clowney and Adrian Peterson are the only guys I can think of off the top of my head that probably could've gone straight to the NFL after high school.

mussop
12-02-2013, 01:58 PM
Cant really blame Clowney especially after seeing Lattimore get hurt last yr and fall from a 1st rd ( losing millions $$$$) to the 5th/6th rd.

Clowney and Adrian Peterson are the only guys I can think of off the top of my head that probably could've gone straight to the NFL after high school.

His high school highlights are ridiculous. You can't watch them without laughing.

Texian
12-02-2013, 02:08 PM
All very much true. I was just curious as to why you would call out one poster for spouting off the opinions of scouts that he may or may not have access to, but then in the very next post exclaim so certainly that you know what NFL draft boards will look like.

and FWIW, people who actually do have some access to inside information @AlbertBreer @NFLosophy are saying the Bridgewater is not necessarily the consensus #1 pick and it's possible A.J. McCarron could be 1st QB drafted.

bah007
12-02-2013, 02:19 PM
and FWIW, people who actually do have some access to inside information @AlbertBreer @NFLosophy are saying the Bridgewater is not necessarily the consensus #1 pick and it's possible A.J. McCarron could be 1st QB drafted.

You yourself have already acknowledged the dangers of hearing false and misleading information from those in the know during this time of year so excuse me if I choose not to believe that. But thank you for your take.

I do, however, acknowledge that while I have Bridgewater graded as the #1 QB it is far from a guarantee that he ends up the first one drafted.

I also admit that I am higher on McCarron than most seem to be. But I don't see him being the first QB drafted. His ceiling simply doesn't appear high enough.

WolverineFan
12-02-2013, 02:20 PM
and FWIW, people who actually do have some access to inside information @AlbertBreer @NFLosophy are saying the Bridgewater is not necessarily the consensus #1 pick and it's possible A.J. McCarron could be 1st QB drafted.

That's the reason why I said consensus and not unanimous. There are some who disagree, but the majority favor Bridgewater.

Texian
12-02-2013, 02:33 PM
That's the reason why I said consensus and not unanimous. There are some who disagree, but the majority favor Bridgewater.

and just who is the majority? you and bah007? The consensus and unanimous in NFL draft rooms that you speak of don't exist in NFL draft rooms today. Currently teams are trying to finish the last 25% of the regular season. Somewhere around a month before the draft those consensus and unanimous opinions will be formed along with each team's respective draft board. And the consensus and Unanimous may have 32 different varieties.

Texian
12-02-2013, 02:35 PM
Clowney and Adrian Peterson are the only guys I can think of off the top of my head that probably could've gone straight to the NFL after high school.

The kid at Ole Miss Robert Nkemdiche could probably hold his own.

Dutchrudder
12-02-2013, 03:22 PM
and just who is the majority? you and bah007? The consensus and unanimous in NFL draft rooms that you speak of don't exist in NFL draft rooms today. Currently teams are trying to finish the last 25% of the regular season. Somewhere around a month before the draft those consensus and unanimous opinions will be formed along with each team's respective draft board. And the consensus and Unanimous may have 32 different varieties.

Yeah guys, listen to Texian. Nobody in the NFL is scouting college players during the season, or watching their games, or making up their draft boards. Nobody does any of that until March, when the NFL season is over. That's when they buckle down and get to work. It's not like these NFL teams have dozens of scouts and an entire division devoted to doing stuff like that! Take it from this guy, he's got an Insider subscription to ESPN, so he knows what he's talking about!

Texian
12-02-2013, 03:35 PM
Yeah guys, listen to Texian. Nobody in the NFL is scouting college players during the season, or watching their games, or making up their draft boards. Nobody does any of that until March, when the NFL season is over. That's when they buckle down and get to work. It's not like these NFL teams have dozens of scouts and an entire division devoted to doing stuff like that! Take it from this guy, he's got an Insider subscription to ESPN, so he knows what he's talking about!

Au Contraire - ALL NFL scouting departments have been busy for many months scouting hundreds of teams and players. In addition they have been busily filling out scouting reports on all players eligible for the upcoming draft. Between now and the middle of January NFL scouting departments will be busy evaluating and completing their scouting reports on the 70-80 underclassmen who are currently in the process of declaring for the 2104 NFL draft. And no I cancelled my ESPN insider several years ago after reading one to many Todd McShay insider evaluations and predictions. I figured ESPN Insider was a waste of my time and money and I still do.

Wolf
12-02-2013, 05:28 PM
Clowny next to Watt :swatter:

bah007
12-02-2013, 09:30 PM
The kid at Ole Miss Robert Nkemdiche could probably hold his own.

Maybe so. He isn't near the specimen that Clowney was as a high school senior though.

Texian
12-02-2013, 09:34 PM
Maybe so. He isn't near the specimen that Clowney was as a high school senior though.

You're right, he's even more so. At 18 and already 300lbs, plays like a LB and is already a man among boys. Reggie White in the making.

stingray
12-02-2013, 09:41 PM
You're right, he's even more so. At 18 and already 300lbs, plays like a LB and is already a man among boys. Reggie White in the making.

Reggie white minus the heart.

Texian
12-02-2013, 09:55 PM
Reggie white minus the heart.

I don't know about the heart. I have watched 4 Ole Miss games this year and I was far more impressed with Nkemdiche's freshman year than anything I saw in Clowny's freshman year. I'm predicting Nkemdiche to be the #1 pick in the 2016 draft.

bhsman
12-02-2013, 10:11 PM
I don't know about the heart. I have watched 4 Ole Miss games this year and I was far more impressed with Nkemdiche's freshman year than anything I saw in Clowny's freshman year. I'm predicting Nkemdiche to be the #1 pick in the 2016 draft.

I think he's trying to claim Clowney doesn't have the heart for football. :kubepalm:

bah007
12-02-2013, 10:11 PM
I don't know about the heart. I have watched 4 Ole Miss games this year and I was far more impressed with Nkemdiche's freshman year than anything I saw in Clowny's freshman year. I'm predicting Nkemdiche to be the #1 pick in the 2016 draft.

He very well could be.

But you're understating Clowney. He had 12 TFL and 8 sacks as a true freshman. 23.5 TFL and 13 sacks as a soph. In a scheme where he would rotate between a 43 strong end and a 34 weak end.

Nkemdiche has 8 TFL and 1 sack.

They play different positions so the numbers are obviously lower for Robert. Nkemdiche shows awesome skills and plenty of potential. Has played very well. But Clowney was killing SEC linemen.

klockWork
12-03-2013, 12:07 AM
I'm salivating at the possibility of Clowney & Watt on the same field. Imagine the luxury of applying pressure w/o blitzing. Every QB & OC won't sleep well in the weeks leading up to the game against the Texans.

badboy
12-03-2013, 09:15 AM
What if Clowney decides he is going nowhere on this Texans team and does not want to get hurt? Rookie contracts are not what they used to be so why not take it easy and turn it on later for a new contract?

steelbtexan
12-03-2013, 09:27 AM
What if Clowney decides he is going nowhere on this Texans team and does not want to get hurt? Rookie contracts are not what they used to be so why not take it easy and turn it on later for a new contract?

Because Clowney will have to produce or he wont get that contract.

badboy
12-03-2013, 09:30 AM
Because Clowney will have to produce or he wont get that contract.So as the #1 NFL pick he gets no upfront bonus or guaranteed money? He can produce some at 50% as he has in college. He was not benched or cut or even disciplined.

steelbtexan
12-03-2013, 09:33 AM
So as the #1 NFL pick he gets no upfront bonus or guaranteed money? He can produce some at 50% as he has in college. He was not benched or cut or even disciplined.

I'm talking about the big $$$$ 2nd contract.

Texian
12-03-2013, 09:35 AM
So as the #1 NFL pick he gets no upfront bonus or guaranteed money? He can produce some at 50% as he has in college. He was not benched or cut or even disciplined.

No, #1 picks usually get their entire contract GTD and that's in the neighborhood of $20 mil.

badboy
12-03-2013, 09:41 AM
No, #1 picks usually get their entire contract GTD and that's in the neighborhood of $20 mil.Exactly my point! So we risk that on a guy who might show up at game time or might not? IMO, we have to hit on our first round pick and much more so than we did with Mercilus. I want an impact player that has proven in college that he plays 100%, one hundred percent of time. I don't want to wait for the pick's second year (if that soon) to beat out anyone ahead of him. Bridgewater. I think there are only two players ranked in first round that are as close to guaranteed day one starter for many years. C J Mosley and Jake Matthews. Hopefully both can be had after trading down a bit.

mussop
12-03-2013, 09:49 AM
Exactly my point! So we risk that on a guy who might show up at game time or might not? IMO, we have to hit on our first round pick and much more so than we did with Mercilus. I want an impact player that has proven in college that he plays 100%, one hundred percent of time. I don't want to wait for the pick's second year (if that soon) to beat out anyone ahead of him. Bridgewater. I think there are only two players ranked in first round that are as close to guaranteed day one starter for many years. C J Mosley and Jake Matthews. Hopefully both can be had after trading down a bit.

Jake Mathews will get lit up if he starts at LT his rookie season.

Texian
12-03-2013, 10:01 AM
Exactly my point! So we risk that on a guy who might show up at game time or might not?

Like SteelB pointed out, if he wants his next contract to be worth $100 million that's not likely to happen. What do think JJ's next contract will be worth?

bhsman
12-03-2013, 10:15 AM
Nothing about Clowney's tape suggests he doesn't show up at games, stop swallowing that media narrative wholesale.

Dutchrudder
12-03-2013, 10:31 AM
So as the #1 NFL pick he gets no upfront bonus or guaranteed money? He can produce some at 50% as he has in college. He was not benched or cut or even disciplined.

The number 1 pick this year should get about 4 years 23 million completely guaranteed. The split between salary and signing bonus is always negotiated, but it's generally about 50/50.

Because Clowney will have to produce or he wont get that contract.

Yeah, but some guys just don't think ahead like you're doing here. They get that 1st contract, get a signing bonus, and it goes to their heads. Clowney strikes me as the kind of guy where that would happen. He will show up his rookie year, decline years 2&3, then wake up in year 4 when he's due for a new contract. It's the Albert Haynesworth model.

I could see him end up like Mario Williams too. An athletic freak of nature, but lacks the heart and competitive drive to be the best he can be.

Dutchrudder
12-03-2013, 10:44 AM
Nothing about Clowney's tape suggests he doesn't show up at games, stop swallowing that media narrative wholesale.

He has 35 tackles, 10.5 TFL, 3 sacks and 1 FF through 11 games this year. Compare that to last year when he totaled 40 tackles, 13 sacks, 23 TFL and 3 FF. I think that sharp decline says a lot about him and validates the lack of conditioning reports.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jadeveon-clowney-1.html

badboy
12-03-2013, 12:05 PM
Jake Mathews will get lit up if he starts at LT his rookie season.Come on. No one has said to start him at LT. He is to play RT until Brown shifts or leaves. You have read that in several posts.

badboy
12-03-2013, 12:08 PM
Like SteelB pointed out, if he wants his next contract to be worth $100 million that's not likely to happen. What do think JJ's next contract will be worth?

Not as much as you and others do. It is quite possible he will not get a new contract for at least three more years and contracts will continue to dwindle as players and teams adjust to new cap restrictions.

bhsman
12-03-2013, 12:21 PM
He has 35 tackles, 10.5 TFL, 3 sacks and 1 FF through 11 games this year. Compare that to last year when he totaled 40 tackles, 13 sacks, 23 TFL and 3 FF. I think that sharp decline says a lot about him and validates the lack of conditioning reports.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jadeveon-clowney-1.html

He also has the second-highest number of QB pressures, but even then my argument was about the tape. It would only take you ~8 minutes more to watch his Tennessee game from this year over the amount of time it took you to look up some stats. :smiliepalm:

WolverineFan
12-03-2013, 12:47 PM
Come on. No one has said to start him at LT. He is to play RT until Brown shifts or leaves. You have read that in several posts.

I think he's responding to the fact that he's a LT prospect and you called him a day one starter. Is that just for us? Or for every team?

Obviously, if we draft Matthews he's playing RT for the foreseeable future. If someone else drafts him he's probably playing LT.

IIRC, Mussop has been on record before that he doesn't see Matthews as a "franchise LT". I personally think he's overrated as a prospect, but he's still a darn good player.

badboy
12-03-2013, 01:33 PM
I think he's responding to the fact that he's a LT prospect and you called him a day one starter. Is that just for us? Or for every team?

Obviously, if we draft Matthews he's playing RT for the foreseeable future. If someone else drafts him he's probably playing LT.

IIRC, Mussop has been on record before that he doesn't see Matthews as a "franchise LT". I personally think he's overrated as a prospect, but he's still a darn good player.Since the thread is about Texans, I just assumed all would know my comment about Mosley and Matthews is directed at us drafting him to play RT. All of us on this thread have read all the mocks and most of talk about Matthews playing RT for Texans and moving to LT when Brown no longer there.

Dutchrudder
12-03-2013, 02:10 PM
He also has the second-highest number of QB pressures, but even then my argument was about the tape. It would only take you ~8 minutes more to watch his Tennessee game from this year over the amount of time it took you to look up some stats. :smiliepalm:

I could, but Tennessee isn't exactly tough competition. It certainly was a tough game for SC, but that doesn't mean it was a true test of Clowney's abilities. He had some good plays in that game for sure, and I'm not saying he isn't a great college player, but there are reasonable questions about him coming into the NFL.

He didn't seem like a number 1 overall pick in the Mizzou game, very Mario Williams-like to me. He eats up TEs and RBs when they are 1v1 on him, does OK vs OTs 1v1, but his overall effort leaves a lot to be desired. Every time they run a play away from him, he just kind of jogs towards the area of the ball. Several times it seems he could have saved some yards if he had put more effort into getting to the runners area, but he didn't seem to care. That's where all the motor questions come from, and then add to that his offseason conditioning questions and you have a lot of risk with this guy. The "Will he give a ****?" question is always important when selecting 1st rounders.

To me it's all going to be mental questions with him. He clearly has the tools and athleticism to be a top 5 DE/OLB in this league, but I don't know if he has the will power to be all he can be. I think the Texans will pass on him, but I bet Atlanta ends up picking him in the top 5. Might be a nice fit for him being so close to where he played in college.

All JDC snaps from Mizzou game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb-8ePTyOnQ

bOODRO87
12-03-2013, 02:15 PM
Seeing some of Clowney's post-game comments after losing a game makes me wonder if the Texans would even draft him. The guy might not even love playing football.

WolverineFan
12-03-2013, 02:36 PM
I could, but Tennessee isn't exactly tough competition. It certainly was a tough game for SC, but that doesn't mean it was a true test of Clowney's abilities. He had some good plays in that game for sure, and I'm not saying he isn't a great college player, but there are reasonable questions about him coming into the NFL.

He didn't seem like a number 1 overall pick in the Mizzou game, very Mario Williams-like to me. He eats up TEs and RBs when they are 1v1 on him, does OK vs OTs 1v1, but his overall effort leaves a lot to be desired. Every time they run a play away from him, he just kind of jogs towards the area of the ball. Several times it seems he could have saved some yards if he had put more effort into getting to the runners area, but he didn't seem to care. That's where all the motor questions come from, and then add to that his offseason conditioning questions and you have a lot of risk with this guy. The "Will he give a ****?" question is always important when selecting 1st rounders.

To me it's all going to be mental questions with him. He clearly has the tools and athleticism to be a top 5 DE/OLB in this league, but I don't know if he has the will power to be all he can be. I think the Texans will pass on him, but I bet Atlanta ends up picking him in the top 5. Might be a nice fit for him being so close to where he played in college.

All JDC snaps from Mizzou game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb-8ePTyOnQ

You make very good points in this post and I don't disagree with you. I will merely point out that the bolded above is not quite true concerning Clowney. Tennessee might have the best tandem of OT's in the country.

mussop
12-03-2013, 06:47 PM
I think he's responding to the fact that he's a LT prospect and you called him a day one starter. Is that just for us? Or for every team?

Obviously, if we draft Matthews he's playing RT for the foreseeable future. If someone else drafts him he's probably playing LT.

IIRC, Mussop has been on record before that he doesn't see Matthews as a "franchise LT". I personally think he's overrated as a prospect, but he's still a darn good player.

Thank you, that is exactly what I meant. And if he's not a franchise LT there is no way he is worth the first pick especially if you plan on playing him at RT. I do believe he is a very good player and could possibly turn into a highly rated OL. Right now he needs a great combine if he want to go top ten.

Wolf
12-03-2013, 07:37 PM
I guess ESPN would love us at no. 1 maybe a reversal..just show our offensive with no quarterback. ...and caption"what does your team need?"

steelbtexan
12-04-2013, 12:15 AM
I think he's responding to the fact that he's a LT prospect and you called him a day one starter. Is that just for us? Or for every team?

Obviously, if we draft Matthews he's playing RT for the foreseeable future. If someone else drafts him he's probably playing LT.

IIRC, Mussop has been on record before that he doesn't see Matthews as a "franchise LT". I personally think he's overrated as a prospect, but he's still a darn good player.

I think Mattews is just like his dad. He can play LT/RT more than adequately. But Mattews would be a HOF OG.

mussop
12-04-2013, 07:43 AM
I think Mattews is just like his dad. He can play LT/RT more than adequately. But Mattews would be a HOF OG.

Hate to say this but, this will work in our favor. With The recent injuries and Mariota returning to school, it makes the healthy QB's available even more valuable. That is If our NEW coaching staff doesn't feel comfortable with drafting a QB first.

Texian
12-05-2013, 10:35 AM
Yeah guys, listen to Texian. Nobody in the NFL is scouting college players during the season, or watching their games, or making up their draft boards. Nobody does any of that until March, when the NFL season is over. That's when they buckle down and get to work. It's not like these NFL teams have dozens of scouts and an entire division devoted to doing stuff like that! Take it from this guy, he's got an Insider subscription to ESPN, so he knows what he's talking about!

FYI - I don't just make stuff up or post ad hominem. I watch many NFL related shows and read numerous Internet articles. I get most of my information from former GMs and HCs, Pioli, Casserly, Angelo, Devaney, Savage, Billick, Mariuci, Gruden, Edwards, Parcels, Johnson etc. and I also follow a couple of former scouts.

Example: http://sulia.com/channel/football/f/c7b8e011-f46f-488a-90a8-7b8ed78bc550/?source=twitter

What I have learned from reading/watching these guys over the years.

Not to long after the NFL draft, College Scouting Departments begin their preparation for the upcoming year. Up through and the completion of the Bowl Games scouts are evaluating, preparing and cataloging their respective scouting reports on players who were eligible for the next draft when the new seasons start. Beginning with the first underclassmen declarations until The Combine, scouts then begin the process of evaluating, preparing and cataloging underclassmen who have declared for the draft. After the Bowl Games and prior to The Combine is when team draft boards begin to take their initial shape. The end of February, College Scouting along with GMs and HCs are in Indy for The Combine. After the Combine, draft boards, as discussed by Jerry Angelo, make their biggest shifts. March the scouts are attending Pro Days and polishing their reports. After the Pro Days and before the Draft is when most teams final draft board are set.

Dutchrudder
12-05-2013, 03:54 PM
FYI - I don't just make stuff up or post ad hominem. I watch many NFL related shows and read numerous Internet articles. I get most of my information from former GMs and HCs, Pioli, Casserly, Angelo, Devaney, Savage, Billick, Mariuci, Gruden, Edwards, Parcels, Johnson etc. and I also follow a couple of former scouts.

Example: http://sulia.com/channel/football/f/c7b8e011-f46f-488a-90a8-7b8ed78bc550/?source=twitter

What I have learned from reading/watching these guys over the years.

Not to long after the NFL draft, College Scouting Departments begin their preparation for the upcoming year. Up through and the completion of the Bowl Games scouts are evaluating, preparing and cataloging their respective scouting reports on players who were eligible for the next draft when the new seasons start. Beginning with the first underclassmen declarations until The Combine, scouts then begin the process of evaluating, preparing and cataloging underclassmen who have declared for the draft. After the Bowl Games and prior to The Combine is when team draft boards begin to take their initial shape. The end of February, College Scouting along with GMs and HCs are in Indy for The Combine. After the Combine, draft boards, as discussed by Jerry Angelo, make their biggest shifts. March the scouts are attending Pro Days and polishing their reports. After the Pro Days and before the Draft is when most teams final draft board are set.

http://i.imgur.com/du4xsyT.jpg

Texian
12-05-2013, 04:01 PM
http://i.imgur.com/du4xsyT.jpg

Hey DR, after you've watched the NFL for another 30+ years, you will know a lot more about the NFL. And that will be much more than you know today! :)

Corrosion
12-06-2013, 02:17 AM
The more I think about it , the more I don't want the #1 overall pick.

I don't see a player at any position that's worthy of the distinction at least as to how they fit on the current roster.

Bridgewater - Just don't think he's a "Franchise QB" , might be above average but not elite.

Clowney - Oh FFS .... what a waste of talent. If he has a motor , it came out of a moped.

Matthews - #1 overall for a RT ? (Sure he will eventually move to LT but still).

Anthony Barr - I think he's over rated.

Manziel - Boom or Bust , just too great a risk for the #1 pick.

Jace Amaro - Not for a TE.

Derek Carr - You have to be kidding me right ?!

C.J. Mosley - Might be the best football player in this draft but can you really spend the #1 pick on a guy who probably plays ILB ??

Ifo Ekpre-Olomu - Sure , the best CB in this draft but no where near being the best player or biggest impact.

Louis Nix - See Olomu.

Mike Evans - Another 1st round WR ??? I'd consider him if there weren't so damn many other holes to fill.

The quarterbacks just don't excite me. The "physical Freak" of this draft .... doesn't care and nothing else really fits.


I'd really like to see them move down in the draft somewhere around 8-10 pending the compensation is worth the move. (1+2 this year and at least another 1 next year)

@ 8 give me Mosely
@ 33 give me Antonio Richardson (OT - Tenn.)
@ 40 Shayne Skov


I'll take a QB in the 3rd and sign a veteran in FA ....

bhsman
12-06-2013, 02:30 AM
Clowney - Oh FFS .... what a waste of talent. If he has a motor , it came out of a moped.


Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh OK buddy

Corrosion
12-06-2013, 07:00 AM
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh OK buddy

Hey , his own statements back that up .... I know he's your boy and all .... but he's been his own worst enemy in this process.

Yes , he's a physical freak with a questionable motor. There is the potential of him doing the same thing once he turns pro - only playing up to his capability in a contract year.

Playoffs
12-06-2013, 09:47 AM
Becoming a shame that Mariota returns to college.

I hope some other team falls stupid in love with Teddy at 1/1.

bhsman
12-06-2013, 12:54 PM
Hey , his own statements back that up .... I know he's your boy and all .... but he's been his own worst enemy in this process.

Yes , he's a physical freak with a questionable motor. There is the potential of him doing the same thing once he turns pro - only playing up to his capability in a contract year.

Feel free to quote these incriminating statements, then.

Dutchrudder
12-06-2013, 02:53 PM
Hey DR, after you've watched the NFL for another 30+ years, you will know a lot more about the NFL. And that will be much more than you know today! :)

Do you have any idea how dumb you sound throughout this thread? You jumped on a guy for making a simple generalization about the scouting community liking Bridgewater as the current top QB in the 2014 draft, which is an innocuous statement that really does seem to be the consensus. The guy is apparently well connected with scouting folks around the league (actual people), so you ignore that and continue onward with this silly meaningless crusade. Then we come full circle to your "sources" of knowledge, and it's ****ing Twitter feeds of select NFL related folks. Congrats, you fail.

Texian
12-06-2013, 05:38 PM
Do you have any idea how dumb you sound throughout this thread? You jumped on a guy for making a simple generalization about the scouting community liking Bridgewater as the current top QB in the 2014 draft, which is an innocuous statement that really does seem to be the consensus. The guy is apparently well connected with scouting folks around the league (actual people), so you ignore that and continue onward with this silly meaningless crusade. Then we come full circle to your "sources" of knowledge, and it's ****ing Twitter feeds of select NFL related folks. Congrats, you fail.

No offense to you if I choose to believe what Bill Polian, Scott Pioli, Charlie Casserly, Brian Billick, Steve Mariuci, Bill Parcels, Jimmy Johnson, Herm Edwards, Mike Mayock, Jay Glazer, Adam Schefter, dozens of NFL players, former NFL scouts have to say on many different TV SHOWS, media outlets, print articles along with your despised twitter over anything YOU and other message board hacks bring to the table. Your comments are a waste of time compared to what they have to say along with all their knowledge and experience.

steelbtexan
12-06-2013, 05:55 PM
Texans fans are turning on each other.

The thing is Rick was Garys hand picked guy. He turned on Gary to save his own job. (Yet he touts his christian values. He should've gone down with the ship. As long as Rick runs this team it will never win a SB

Bets are now open and as proven you have an 8 yr window. Great job BoB

Instead of firing the people most responsible for this mess you fire Rick/Coach Joe.

Hope you enjoy your last decade BoB, just remember you cant take yor $$$$ with you.

Marshall
12-06-2013, 05:59 PM
Hey , his own statements back that up .... I know he's your boy and all .... but he's been his own worst enemy in this process.

Yes , he's a physical freak with a questionable motor. There is the potential of him doing the same thing once he turns pro - only playing up to his capability in a contract year.

Laziness is the hardest of all vices to break.

infantrycak
12-06-2013, 06:14 PM
No offense to you if I choose to believe what Bill Polian, Scott Pioli, Charlie Casserly, Brian Billick, Steve Mariuci, Bill Parcels, Jimmy Johnson, Herm Edwards, Mike Mayock, Jay Glazer, Adam Schefter, dozens of NFL players, former NFL scouts have to say on many different TV SHOWS, media outlets, print articles along with your despised twitter over anything YOU and other message board hacks bring to the table. Your comments are a waste of time compared to what they have to say along with all their knowledge and experience.

None of those people has ever said the scouting departments don't have rankings at all until tada its time to put the final draft order together. I don't care if it is little stars in the corner of the page with their notes on a player or talk over the water cooler about who they like better after last weekends games this whole process is geared toward evaluating and ranking.

You're acting like a child and its obvious.

badboy
12-06-2013, 08:16 PM
The more I think about it , the more I don't want the #1 overall pick.

I don't see a player at any position that's worthy of the distinction at least as to how they fit on the current roster.

Bridgewater - Just don't think he's a "Franchise QB" , might be above average but not elite.

Clowney - Oh FFS .... what a waste of talent. If he has a motor , it came out of a moped.

Matthews - #1 overall for a RT ? (Sure he will eventually move to LT but still).

Anthony Barr - I think he's over rated.

Manziel - Boom or Bust , just too great a risk for the #1 pick.

Jace Amaro - Not for a TE.

Derek Carr - You have to be kidding me right ?!

C.J. Mosley - Might be the best football player in this draft but can you really spend the #1 pick on a guy who probably plays ILB ??

Ifo Ekpre-Olomu - Sure , the best CB in this draft but no where near being the best player or biggest impact.

Louis Nix - See Olomu.

Mike Evans - Another 1st round WR ??? I'd consider him if there weren't so damn many other holes to fill.

The quarterbacks just don't excite me. The "physical Freak" of this draft .... doesn't care and nothing else really fits.


I'd really like to see them move down in the draft somewhere around 8-10 pending the compensation is worth the move. (1+2 this year and at least another 1 next year)

@ 8 give me Mosely
@ 33 give me Antonio Richardson (OT - Tenn.)
@ 40 Shayne Skov


I'll take a QB in the 3rd and sign a veteran in FA ....I think we can get more from Browns than #8 and their second. I have #33 Cyril Richardson currently slotted OG in NFL but he was LT in 2012 for RG3 and should be able to resolve RT and push Q for LG if one of our roster guys can win RT.

Corrosion
12-06-2013, 09:40 PM
I think we can get more from Browns than #8 and their second.

That's just compensation from this years draft .... I'd expect no less than those two picks and a future first (would like two future #1's along with those picks).

badboy
12-06-2013, 10:27 PM
That's just compensation from this years draft .... I'd expect no less than those two picks and a future first (would like two future #1's along with those picks).yep but we have to think like CLeveland and make the deal easy to swallow. Washington got #2 pick for 2012 first and second and first in 2013 and 2014. I think we need picks now especially with deep second and third rounds in 2014 with our needs. If they get #1 and keep their own second # 40, I could see them giving up both 8 & 25 their thirds and a first in 2015. I think that RG3 is having problems is going to lessen urge for a team to make that kind of deal.

Dutchrudder
12-06-2013, 10:54 PM
yep but we have to think like CLeveland and make the deal easy to swallow. Washington got #2 pick for 2012 first and second and first in 2013 and 2014. I think we need picks now especially with deep second and third rounds in 2014 with our needs. If they get #1 and keep their own second # 40, I could see them giving up both 8 & 25 their thirds and a first in 2015. I think that RG3 is having problems is going to lessen urge for a team to make that kind of deal.

In order for that trade to be offered, you would need at least two teams to be bidding for the pick. The only reason STL got so much for RG3 was due to the Browns bidding. If that happens, then great, but I wouldn't count on it. Although, it was rumored early this season that Josh Gordon was available. What if Cleveland offered #8 and Gordon for the #1? He's a phenomenal player, even if we don't really need him.

Texian
12-07-2013, 12:09 AM
None of those people has ever said the scouting departments don't have rankings at all until tada its time to put the final draft order together. I don't care if it is little stars in the corner of the page with their notes on a player or talk over the water cooler about who they like better after last weekends games this whole process is geared toward evaluating and ranking.

You're acting like a child and its obvious.

Chalk up one more who doesn't have a clue about what they're taking about. Who is posting childish Willy Wonks pictures, get a clue chief. Tell us again chief why you insisted that Kubiak wouldn't get fired.

htownfan32
12-07-2013, 12:23 AM
In order for that trade to be offered, you would need at least two teams to be bidding for the pick. The only reason STL got so much for RG3 was due to the Browns bidding. If that happens, then great, but I wouldn't count on it. Although, it was rumored early this season that Josh Gordon was available. What if Cleveland offered #8 and Gordon for the #1? He's a phenomenal player, even if we don't really need him.

:hurrah: My fantasy football team's savior

mussop
12-07-2013, 12:38 AM
I have #33 Cyril Richardson currently slotted OG in NFL but he was LT in 2012 for RG3

No I do not believe that is right. He played LG when RG3 was there. He didn't move to LT until this year. He will go high as a guard unless he shows really good agility and footwork at the combine. I think he's going to be a really really good guard. I wanted us to draft him last year if he came out.

infantrycak
12-07-2013, 02:04 AM
Chalk up one more who doesn't have a clue about what they're taking about. Who is posting childish Willy Wonks pictures, get a clue chief. Tell us again chief why you insisted that Kubiak wouldn't get fired.

Well since I never said that I have nothing to explain. The only thing I was wrong on was I thought McNair would wait until after the season to fire him.

steelbtexan
12-07-2013, 12:42 PM
In order for that trade to be offered, you would need at least two teams to be bidding for the pick. The only reason STL got so much for RG3 was due to the Browns bidding. If that happens, then great, but I wouldn't count on it. Although, it was rumored early this season that Josh Gordon was available. What if Cleveland offered #8 and Gordon for the #1? He's a phenomenal player, even if we don't really need him.

I would want a 2014 3rd and a 2015 1st. Gordon although talented is 1 strike away from being suspended for a yr.

steelbtexan
12-07-2013, 12:46 PM
Well since I never said that I have nothing to explain. The only thing I was wrong on was I thought McNair would wait until after the season to fire him.

I-Cak wrong?

Never thought I would see this post. LOL

Texian
12-11-2013, 08:21 AM
This week the Texans are still #1, however, with a WIN the Texans could fall to #3. http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html

Dutchrudder
12-11-2013, 08:30 AM
@ Indy
Home for Denver
@ Tennessee

Let's hope Wade doesn't screw this up.

disaacks3
12-11-2013, 08:48 AM
This week the Texans are still #1, however, with a WIN the Texans could fall to #3. http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html

True, I'm still not sure I see that as a bad thing. Those opponent winning % numbers will remain in flux as well.

Corrosion
12-11-2013, 08:54 AM
True, I'm still not sure I see that as a bad thing. Those opponent winning % numbers will remain in flux as well.

Yeah but the Texans have two very good teams remaining on the schedule that is going to push their opponent winning % higher with Indy and Denver. Lower is better in this instance ....

Better hope that the Tinbreds have something to play for in week 17 .... :mcnugget:

Jackie Chiles
12-11-2013, 11:06 AM
This week the Texans are still #1, however, with a WIN the Texans could fall to #3. http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html

The Redskins and Falcons play each other this week though so even if we win the worst we can be is #2. Based on SOS looks like we should be rooting for the Redskins to win or a tie.

Texian
12-11-2013, 12:33 PM
The Redskins and Falcons play each other this week though so even if we win the worst we can be is #2. Based on SOS looks like we should be rooting for the Redskins to win or a tie.

Texans SOS will go higher playing Colts, Broncos and Titans.

dalemurphy
12-13-2013, 07:23 AM
with near certainty, I can say that the Texans (if they tie Atlanta) will finish with a weaker SOS than Atlanta... definitely, the Texans will finish with a stronger SOS than Washington- that's not going to be close...

Remember, also, that St. Louis owns the Redskins' 1st round pick this year, FWIW.

Texian
12-17-2013, 11:35 AM
After week 15 the Texans still have earned the right to the #1 draft pick. If Peyton and Broncos don't stub their toe and Win @ Houston and Cousins and Washington beat the demoralized embarrassed Cowboys in week 16, the Texans will have locked up the #1 pick with one week to go in the season.

http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html