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Tolar's Ghost
11-17-2013, 10:18 PM
Interesting piece about firing head coaches in midseason that ran on nfl.com a year ago.

It's happened 22 times from 2000 through 2012. In only three years - 2002, '06 and '12 - were there no firings. And in two seasons, 2010 and '11, it happened seven times. So, obviously, these days owners are less reluctant to pull the plug:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000094539/article/midseason-coach-firings-are-last-resort-for-nfl-decisionmakers

Given all this, and that no coaches were fired during last season, the law of averages is that it will happen at least once this year. And probably in Houston, Atlanta or Minnesota. Winning two straight might save Schiano in Tampa, and being a first-year coach will get Bradley a pass in Jacksonville - even if he loses to the Texans next week.

Norg
11-17-2013, 10:22 PM
Why not leave the door open for the new regime and give them a early start



But who is out there is the new regime even out there are do we waste 6 weeks on Scrub coaches

I wish the new regime was already rdy to give them a 6 week head start plus 2 months of playoffs


But if kubes goes I think Rick smith needs to go has well we need to hit the reset Button

bigmck
11-17-2013, 10:30 PM
But if kubes goes I think Rick smith needs to go has well we need to hit the reset Button

This ^^^

Brisco_County
11-17-2013, 10:33 PM
Doubtful. Kubiak's seat wasn't hot going into the season. Despite the FO's frustration with him this year, they have too much respect for him to not give him a dignified exit. The only way he gets fired mid season is if the players give up on him, and that's also doubtful since they love him. The midseason stroke also reduces the odds.

Norg
11-17-2013, 10:37 PM
http://www.nationofblue.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Cowher.jpg

TexanBacker93
11-17-2013, 10:38 PM
If a head coach gets fired midseason teams usually promote an interim guy from the staff. The firing can also spark a little resurgence and almost 2 out of 5 interim guys keep the job.

If Kubiak gets fired before the end of the year Phillips takes over.

I don't want a 2014 with him leading us. Wait until January & get an entire new FO and coaching staff.

hradhak
11-17-2013, 10:39 PM
Does it really matter? Firing midseason vs after the season doesn't seem to have much impact. It's just easier to clean house after season is over.

Grams
11-17-2013, 10:40 PM
If a head coach gets fired midseason teams usually promote an interim guy from the staff. The firing can also spark a little resurgence and almost 2 out of 5 interim guys keep the job.

If Kubiak gets fired before the end of the year Phillips takes over.

I don't want a 2014 with him leading us. Wait until January & get an entire new FO and coaching staff.

I don't want Phillips either.

amazing80
11-17-2013, 10:42 PM
the only thing firing gary does now is send a message to the team and show potential head coaches, were available

but you have to stand strong by not keeping the interim coach no matter what happens

Tolar's Ghost
11-17-2013, 10:46 PM
I'm probably in the minority, but I think suffering the stroke makes it easier to let Kubiak go.

McNair can say it was a "mutual decision" and "will allow Gary to focus on regaining his full health." Something like that.

I think that's how it'll happen, and after today's game will happen before the season ends. Like this week or next.

texanhead08
11-17-2013, 10:50 PM
I don't want Wade to be the next coach either. I think if that happens there is a chance we keep the same offensive staff, and that does nothing to fix the problems on this team.

I also want Rick Smith gone too. I think hiring a real GM and letting him hire a head coach to implement his philosophy if the way we need to go moving forward.

Txn_in_Oki
11-17-2013, 10:54 PM
If they pull the trigger now and avoid any dithering around then maybe they can find someone new as soon as the season is over.

Do not want Wade. He's failed as a head coach multiple times and there really isn't any reason to believe this team would be any better.

tvaughan
11-17-2013, 10:56 PM
I'm probably in the minority, but I think suffering the stroke makes it easier to let Kubiak go.

McNair can say it was a "mutual decision" and "will allow Gary to focus on regaining his full health." Something like that.

I think that's how it'll happen, and after today's game will happen before the season ends. Like this week or next.

I think this is right on.

I think it is WAY out of character for McNair to fire midseason, but it would also not surprise me to wake up tomorrow and find out it happened.

This year, and Kubiak's game today were that bad.

infantrycak
11-17-2013, 11:00 PM
Not sure how 16 teams having done it over a 13 year time period translates to likely.

Why do it?

DX-TEX
11-17-2013, 11:01 PM
Not sure how 16 teams having done it over a 13 year time period translates to likely.

Why do it?

Bob is all about public perception. His franchise got a big honking black eye today

houstonspartan
11-17-2013, 11:03 PM
Doubtful. Kubiak's seat wasn't hot going into the season. Despite the FO's frustration with him this year, they have too much respect for him to not give him a dignified exit. The only way he gets fired mid season is if the players give up on him, and that's also doubtful since they love him. The midseason stroke also reduces the odds.

Uh, did you see what Andre did during the game? The players are done with this guy.


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TexansSeminole
11-17-2013, 11:03 PM
Not sure how 16 teams having done it over a 13 year time period translates to likely.

Why do it?

I'm not advocating it, but what happened today was a bit bizarre. It no doubt further divided the team, atleast somewhat. I don't want this locker room completely melting down.

Txn_in_Oki
11-17-2013, 11:05 PM
Uh, did you see what Andre did during the game? The players are done with this guy.


What did happen? I'm overseas and didn't get the chance to suffer through this debacle.

Norg
11-17-2013, 11:05 PM
but if we clean house now it shows to the COaches out there now "Hey we are open for biz nis NOW HIRING "

it will make us the Number #1 spot for coaches to be at

infantrycak
11-17-2013, 11:05 PM
Bob is all about public perception. His franchise got a big honking black eye today

That must be why VY is our QB.

DX-TEX
11-17-2013, 11:08 PM
That must be why VY is our QB.

Not exactly the same. VY was a potential circus. This circus we are currently in was not expected.

infantrycak
11-17-2013, 11:14 PM
Not exactly the same. VY was a potential circus. This circus we are currently in was not expected.

Please. Potential circus had nothing to do with not drafting VY. McNair resisted the clamor for the hometown and state hero based on football reasons such as whether his game would translate to the NFL, his ability to learn an NFL playbook, the fact they had pushed a big stack of chips in on Carr exercising his buyback option 2 months earlier, etc.

Texian
11-17-2013, 11:26 PM
The only scenario where I can see a change in 2013 is if McNair goes to Kubiak sometime in December and tells Gary he has decided to go in another direction along with the offer that Kubiak can finish out the season. Under the circumstances Gary says it best if he takes his leave from the team at that time. This is not college where there is a recruiting deadline the first Wednesday in February. There really is no advantage to firing an NFL coach mid season. You can't talk to perspective coaches who are currently coaching. There will be other head coaches fired and good position coaches who will become available after the season, not before. It just doesn't make any sense, the damage is done.

mike moffat
11-17-2013, 11:34 PM
What Kubiak did today was to turn the entire locker room against him. He totally destroyed what little morale that was left. Its completely unexcusable. Kube, Smith and Schaub need to clean out their lockers by end of day on Monday.

Wade is not the answer. There are some winners out there that might be able to turn this debacle around. It will have to be someone with a "take charge" personality.

Very sad day for Texans wherever we are.

bigfan77801
11-17-2013, 11:51 PM
What did happen? I'm overseas and didn't get the chance to suffer through this debacle.

He and Schaub were yelling at each other on the sideline. Then Andre walked off the field before time ran out.

DocBar
11-18-2013, 12:06 AM
Please. Potential circus had nothing to do with not drafting VY. McNair resisted the clamor for the hometown and state hero based on football reasons such as whether his game would translate to the NFL, his ability to learn an NFL playbook, the fact they had pushed a big stack of chips in on Carr exercising his buyback option 2 months earlier, etc.

VY has nothing to do with the state of the current circus. You introduced VY into the current conversation.

Seegara
11-18-2013, 12:20 AM
I'm probably in the minority, but I think suffering the stroke makes it easier to let Kubiak go.

McNair can say it was a "mutual decision" and "will allow Gary to focus on regaining his full health." Something like that.

I think that's how it'll happen, and after today's game will happen before the season ends. Like this week or next.
I predict it won't happen during the season. With our luck, it might not happen at all. Or they hire Wade Phillips, almost as bad.

Norg
11-18-2013, 12:40 AM
I can see why they might go the Wade Phillips route cuz his dad and kinda him are so loved in HOuston

DX-TEX
11-18-2013, 12:42 AM
I can see why they might go the Wade Phillips route cuz his dad and kinda him are so loved in HOuston

Could be the WORST THING EVER. Unless they hire some young hotshot to be OC

Wade would probably hire his son...

htownfan32
11-18-2013, 12:45 AM
Who are candidates?

Inb4 cowher

I mean real actual viable candidates. College standouts or current OC/DC? What about Kyle Shanahan? I don't know much except when he was here this offense was well oiled.

Norg
11-18-2013, 12:47 AM
Chucky


uhhh I wouldn't mind the coach from Alabama LOL


the coach from Texas A&M but we kinda aleady went that route with kubes lol

cuppacoffee
11-18-2013, 12:48 AM
When does Baylor end its season?

:coffee:

htownfan32
11-18-2013, 12:49 AM
When does Baylor end its season?

:coffee:

Art Briles signed a 10 year extension with Baylor :pinned:

Dutchrudder
11-18-2013, 12:50 AM
Greg Schiano will be fired before Kubiak.

SchaubApologist
11-18-2013, 12:55 AM
no chance bob fires anybody until the season is over.

releasing ed reed is as good as it gets.

infantrycak
11-18-2013, 01:16 AM
VY has nothing to do with the state of the current circus. You introduced VY into the current conversation.

Damn you caught me introducing a dead on point example in response to the assertion made which was:

Bob is all about public perception.

VY is the best example we have of how McNair responds to public perception on how his team should be run.

b0ng
11-18-2013, 01:31 AM
Who are candidates?

Inb4 cowher

I mean real actual viable candidates. College standouts or current OC/DC? What about Kyle Shanahan? I don't know much except when he was here this offense was well oiled.

Lovie Smith - doesn't have a current job.
Kevin Sumlin - has been rumored by people with delusional problems
Cowher - as listed by fans who apparently think spending close to a decade away from the game will give him some sort of high powers
Gruden - I think he and Cowher are pretty similar in that they are probably destined to remain on TV like Herm Edwards and Tony Dungy


I don't know about any execs though for the GM position and I believe if a full house cleanings happens (Right now, I'd say it's not) I think exec gets filled first and works it's way top down.

SchaubApologist
11-18-2013, 01:39 AM
Lovie Smith - doesn't have a current job.
Kevin Sumlin - has been rumored by people with delusional problems
Cowher - as listed by fans who apparently think spending close to a decade away from the game will give him some sort of high powers
Gruden - I think he and Cowher are pretty similar in that they are probably destined to remain on TV like Herm Edwards and Tony Dungy


I don't know about any execs though for the GM position and I believe if a full house cleanings happens (Right now, I'd say it's not) I think exec gets filled first and works it's way top down.

yep, we need a new GM and trust him with the HC hire.

cannot make the same mistake twice (HC before GM).

WolverineFan
11-18-2013, 01:41 AM
I said it earlier in the year...

Greg Roman and Bill O'Brien are at the top of my list.

Txn_in_Oki
11-18-2013, 02:45 AM
Cowher - as listed by fans who apparently think spending close to a decade away from the game will give him some sort of high powers

As much as I would like him as a coach I don't think Cowher is a reality. Didn't Joe Gibbs come back after a long time out and it was a complete disaster. At some point the game passes you by, especially if you aren't dealing with it day in and day out.

TexanBacker93
11-18-2013, 08:49 AM
As much as I would like him as a coach I don't think Cowher is a reality. Didn't Joe Gibbs come back after a long time out and it was a complete disaster. At some point the game passes you by, especially if you aren't dealing with it day in and day out.

It's funny how for some the game passes them by while they are "retired" and doing other things. Even broadcasting.

We have a situation here where the game has passed our current staff by and they've been coaching the whole time. How bad are they really? Imagine if Kubiak took a couple of years off? Crazy.

281
11-18-2013, 10:22 AM
Am I the only one that keeps constantly refreshing the page hoping to see a "Kubiak fired" thread?

BigBull
11-18-2013, 10:26 AM
Am I the only one that keeps constantly refreshing the page hoping to see a "Kubiak fired" thread?

You're not the only one. I keep doing it also.


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DX-TEX
11-18-2013, 11:02 AM
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/assets/3587279/TexansAccountability_medium.jpg

Tolar's Ghost
11-18-2013, 11:09 AM
As much as I would like him as a coach I don't think Cowher is a reality. Didn't Joe Gibbs come back after a long time out and it was a complete disaster...

I don't think Cowher would come here. But not because the game has passed him by. Far from it. I think he simply likes living in New York. And I can't see his semi-rock-star girlfriend moving here.

Not sure about Gibbs' timeline, but Dick Vermeil came back after 16 years away and coached the Rams to a Super Bowl title (over the Titans)...

Grams
11-18-2013, 11:31 AM
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/assets/3587279/TexansAccountability_medium.jpg

Their accountability lacks a little consistency.

Dread-Head
11-18-2013, 12:08 PM
http://www.nationofblue.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Cowher.jpg

Thank you! You said it before I could. Rep forthcoming.

DX-TEX
11-18-2013, 12:10 PM
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/MechDX/cowher.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/MechDX/media/cowher.jpg.html)

texanhead08
11-18-2013, 12:21 PM
Cowher is going to probably want full control to come out of retirement. I don't like that idea because he has never made personnel decisions before.

Double Barrel
11-18-2013, 12:32 PM
I want Kubiak & Co. gone, but not in a way that tarnishes the franchise.

Two things I have never cared for in that regard: Firing a head coach after a playoff season, and firing a head coach during the middle of a season.

Cases can probably be made for both (like Dungy bing fired from Tampa), but, I'd say more often than not, it is a classless move by an owner. JMO

speedfreek
11-18-2013, 12:33 PM
Fire Gary today. Make Wade the interim, and let Dennison try
some of those supposedly "crazy ideas" he has with the offense.

Who knows, maybe they are "crazy" with Schaub, but not with
Keenum or Yates..

TJ

Tolar's Ghost
11-18-2013, 02:11 PM
Cowher is going to probably want full control to come out of retirement. I don't like that idea because he has never made personnel decisions before.

The first part is probably correct. The second part - that "he has never made personnel decisions before" - couldn't be more inaccurate.

He worked closely with the Colbert, and Donahoe before that, on draft day. It's well-documented that on some picks in which they were divided, he won out. Some worked out well, others didn't.

Second, any time a player was cut, added, promoted from the practice squad, etc., of course he was involved.

But all the Cowher talk is wishful thinking. It's unlikely he's coming here.

Tolar's Ghost
11-24-2013, 09:34 PM
My apology if this has already been posted:

McClain tweeted "he wouldn't be surprised" if Kubiak is fired tomorrow.

Of course, that's not the nearly the same as saying Kubiak will be fired tomorrow. But I have a feeling that that scoop is coming.

It would be the first midseason firing since 2011.

hradhak
11-24-2013, 09:37 PM
My apology if this has already been posted:

McClain tweeted "he wouldn't be surprised" if Kubiak is fired tomorrow.

Of course, that's not the nearly the same as saying Kubiak will be fired tomorrow. But I have a feeling that that scoop is coming.

It would be the first midseason firing since 2011.

I'm not sure what that really accomplishes. I think Kubiak knows he is a dead man walking, but that doesn't seem like a good way to manage an organization.

McClain gets more things wrong than he does right. I hope that he's wrong on this one.

toronto
11-24-2013, 09:38 PM
Cowher is done coaching. He has discovered he doesn't need 100hr weeks and the grind...versus what he's found at CBS - which pays him handsomely as well.

There is no job in pro football that will bring him back, getting that ring was all he needed to be at peace with his decision.

Fred
11-24-2013, 09:46 PM
Fire Gary today. Make Wade the interim, and let Dennison try
some of those supposedly "crazy ideas" he has with the offense.

Who knows, maybe they are "crazy" with Schaub, but not with
Keenum or Yates..

TJ

This is exactly the problem with firing a coach mid-season. You can't get your real coach for next year yet.

So you name a coordinator who you already know is not a good long term answer as interim (Wade, or Romeo Crennel). Team wins 4 of 5 games in December and then the pressure is crazy high that "you gotta make Wade / Romeo the permanent coach!" Then you are sunk for two more years before you can get a real head coach you want.

Better to let Gary ride down with the ship and take the rest of the staff with him.

Tolar's Ghost
11-24-2013, 09:51 PM
Cowher is done coaching...

I think his wife's diagnosis of cancer had a lot to do with why he left the Steelers when he did.

Now that he's been away for several years, I see him coaching again (but most likely only the Giants or Jets).

I did think it was interesting on today's CBS show when the subject turned to Jones/Garrett/Cowboys. He seemed to pick his words very carefully when talking about Jones. He was more restrained than usual.

It makes me wonder if he would be interested in the Cowboys job.

Honoring Earl 34
11-24-2013, 09:56 PM
I think his wife's diagnosis of cancer had a lot to do with why he left the Steelers when he did.

Now that he's been away for several years, I see him coaching again (but most likely only the Giants or Jets).

I did think it was interesting on today's CBS show when the subject turned to Jones/Garrett/Cowboys. He seemed to pick his words very carefully when talking about Jones. He was more restrained than usual.

It makes me wonder if he would be interested in the Cowboys job.

I thought the interim coach for Denver might be a good choice .

toronto
11-24-2013, 09:58 PM
I think his wife's diagnosis of cancer had a lot to do with why he left the Steelers when he did.

Now that he's been away for several years, I see him coaching again (but most likely only the Giants or Jets).

I did think it was interesting on today's CBS show when the subject turned to Jones/Garrett/Cowboys. He seemed to pick his words very carefully when talking about Jones. He was more restrained than usual.

It makes me wonder if he would be interested in the Cowboys job.

That plus he missed his kids a ton. He's on record saying how happy he was being around for their important milestones...

Tolar's Ghost
11-24-2013, 10:00 PM
Well, kids are grown, and two of the three are married. And I don't believe any of them live in NY. In fact, one is in London and one is in California.

So maybe McNair could entice him to come here. As a major Steeler fan, I'd love to see him clean up the Texans' mess.

The fans here deserve much better than what they're getting...

Honoring Earl 34
11-24-2013, 10:05 PM
Well, kids are grown, and two of the three are married...

At the end of the day , I'm not sure he really wants to get back into the grind after all these years . He may flirt with the idea but when it comes time to toss his hat into the ring , I think he won't . He's got it good .

houstonspartan
11-25-2013, 12:23 AM
Am I the only one that keeps constantly refreshing the page hoping to see a "Kubiak fired" thread?

Lmao. Guilty.


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Tolar's Ghost
11-25-2013, 12:25 AM
Come back here Monday around 10 a.m.: I'm betting it happens.

There's absolutely no downside in doing it. And McNair has to let the fans know that he really does care about what's going on -- at least a little bit.

BigBull
11-25-2013, 12:26 AM
Come back here Monday around 10 a.m.: I'm betting it happens.

One can only hope.


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infantrycak
11-25-2013, 12:47 AM
There's absolutely no downside in doing it.

There is no upside in doing it.

toronto
11-25-2013, 01:06 AM
Curious as I was wrapped up in the grey cup all bloody day...

How many empty seats were there today? I know it was likely sold out, but how many no shows? Empty seats inspire owners sometimes.

Norg
11-25-2013, 01:20 AM
Curious as I was wrapped up in the grey cup all bloody day...

How many empty seats were there today? I know it was likely sold out, but how many no shows? Empty seats inspire owners sometimes.



it was not full that's for sure I would say start of the game it was about 87% full

but a lot of people like to hang out in the parking lot or more in the bar area

Tolar's Ghost
11-25-2013, 01:45 AM
There is no upside in doing it.

Yes, there is.

Read Solomon's column in today's (Monday's) paper.

He makes a very good point I hadn't thought about: having Kubiak go to Jacksonville next week to play a game on national TV, with a 10-game losing streak in tow, is cruel and unusual punishment.

McNair would be doing a favor to Kubiak, not to mention the fans, by letting the coach go now.

infantrycak
11-25-2013, 02:00 AM
Yes, there is.

Read Solomon's column in today's (Monday's) paper.

He makes a very good point I hadn't thought about: having Kubiak go to Jacksonville next week to play a game on national TV, with a 10-game losing streak in tow, is cruel and unusual punishment.

McNair would be doing a favor to Kubiak, not to mention the fans, by letting the coach go now.

I think it is a ridiculous argument. First off, that is not a benefit to the team. Second it is not a kindness to Kubiak. It is just trying to feel better about a decision you already want to make. Coaches do not want to be fired mid-season under any circumstance.

VTexan
11-25-2013, 02:03 AM
http://i.imgur.com/ZdHEOaV.gif

i just want it to all be over now.

Tolar's Ghost
11-25-2013, 02:19 AM
infantrycak - What's the worst that can happen by firing Kubiak now (rather than at the end of the season)? They'll lose their remaining five games?

Hey, they'll likely those anyway.

Just let Kubiak go now and put the end to the speculation.

To borrow from the Houston Gamblers, the fans "have waited (and suffered) long enough."

infantrycak
11-25-2013, 02:31 AM
infantrycak - What's the worst that can happen by firing Kubiak now (rather than at the end of the season)? They'll lose their remaining five games?

I didn't say anything about keeping Kubiak so things didn't get worse. I said there was no benefit to firing him now.

Tolar's Ghost
11-25-2013, 02:57 AM
One benefit is that you tell the fans you give a crap - the same fans whose support has enabled him to double his $700 million investment in the team.

Benefit No. 2: You let the players know you give a crap.

Benefit No. 3: You advance the story beyond whether or not Kubiak will be fired. You do it, then begin the job of finding his replacement.

Benefit No. 4: You let Kubiak "get on with his life's work" (to quote Chuck Noll).

Norg
11-25-2013, 03:00 AM
I hope the pats blow us out 93 to nothing not just blow us out beat us so baddddd the even the local broadcast station turns to another game

then Bob will have n choice to start the offseason right NOW LOL

drs23
11-25-2013, 10:56 AM
Come back here Monday around 10 a.m.: I'm betting it happens.

There's absolutely no downside in doing it. And McNair has to let the fans know that he really does care about what's going on -- at least a little bit.

It's 0956 Monday morning and I'm sitting here wearing out my refresh key.

Nuttin' yet...still pecking...

Marcus
11-25-2013, 11:08 AM
It's 0956 Monday morning and I'm sitting here wearing out my refresh key.

Nuttin' yet...still pecking...

You'd best peck away until the cows come home, because it ain't gonna happen. Did he fire Dom Capers in the middle of that other 2-14 season?

Did he?

McNair could give two sh!ts about giving fans their little "mental reset".

steelbtexan
11-25-2013, 11:31 AM
You'd best peck away until the cows come home, because it ain't gonna happen. Did he fire Dom Capers in the middle of that other 2-14 season?

Did he?

McNair could give two sh!ts about giving fans their little "mental reset".

You're right about McNair not caring about the fans.

Little bitter this morning?

b0ng
11-25-2013, 11:56 AM
If McNair made decisions based on what the idiot stick fans around Houston wanted we would be even more of a laughing stock than we probably are now.

And why the hell are people still talking about Cowher like that's some kind of good idea? Leave the guy on CBS there's plenty of coaches that are out there who have actually been coaching in this decade, I'd rather just leave Gruden and Cowher where they currently are and find a coach who has been coaching.

Marcus
11-25-2013, 12:21 PM
Little bitter this morning?

Not at all. Just amazed at how correct Owen Daniels is.

And I know how happy you are, so don't feed me that bullsh!t about how you'd rather win games, than be right about Kubiak. It's all about your hatred for "Enron BoBBy" :loser

Double Barrel
11-25-2013, 12:30 PM
This is exactly the problem with firing a coach mid-season. You can't get your real coach for next year yet.

So you name a coordinator who you already know is not a good long term answer as interim (Wade, or Romeo Crennel). Team wins 4 of 5 games in December and then the pressure is crazy high that "you gotta make Wade / Romeo the permanent coach!" Then you are sunk for two more years before you can get a real head coach you want.

Better to let Gary ride down with the ship and take the rest of the staff with him.

yep. Even after watching one of the worst games I have ever had the miserable experience to watch yesterday, I think Kubiak should have to sit there and represent this garbage and own it as his garbage. This is his team. His players, his coaches, his schemes, his decisions.

Yeah, he needs to be fired. But just wait for a few more games and see how long his losing streak can go. Losing to the Jaguars tells me that they can take it to 14 games in a row.

And great point about the perception if an interim coach starts winning games. We do not need anyone on this staff to still be employed next year, so let them all go down with the ship as far as I'm concerned.

Clean house, start over, and [hopefully] pick up a "franchise" QB in the first round. There is no retooling this team. It is time for a complete rebuild, starting in January 2014.

GNTLEWOLF
11-25-2013, 12:39 PM
Interesting piece about firing head coaches in midseason that ran on nfl.com a year ago.

It's happened 22 times from 2000 through 2012. In only three years - 2002, '06 and '12 - were there no firings. And in two seasons, 2010 and '11, it happened seven times. So, obviously, these days owners are less reluctant to pull the plug:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000094539/article/midseason-coach-firings-are-last-resort-for-nfl-decisionmakers

Given all this, and that no coaches were fired during last season, the law of averages is that it will happen at least once this year. And probably in Houston, Atlanta or Minnesota. Winning two straight might save Schiano in Tampa, and being a first-year coach will get Bradley a pass in Jacksonville - even if he loses to the Texans next week.

I have to say as one who wants to se Kubiak gone, This is not gonna happen. The biggest reason is that it is just too out of character for McNair. If he decides to fire Kubiak, he will wait till the end of the season. That is his M. O. A person's character is not going to suddenly change. McNair will will follow the path that he feels comfortable with and that would be to let Kubiak finish the season, if firing him is his intent.
I am not sure , however that Kubiak will get canned. As a matter of my opinion, I can see more reasons for McNair to keep him than I can see reasons to let him go.
a. He is very fond of Kubiak- almost a father-son thing
b. Kubiak had that mini-stroke and was incapacitated and a man like McNair would fel like he was kicking a man while he was down to fire him. That is not happening. You don't be cruel to incapacitated people. Those are the people you are the most charitable to.
c. In regards to the stroke: McNair may feel that the stroke cut Kubiak down just as he and the team were about to get their feet under them; therefore Kubiak needs another year while healthy to have a real chance.
d. Team injuries: Even though I think this is a sorry excuse for a total team breakdown, I'm not so sure McNair doesn't give Gary a pass based on the unforeseeable consequences of injuries
e. Who knew that Schaub would totally break down.
f. Kubiak DID after all take this team to two consecutive seasons with play-off appearences. NcNair may se this year as an anomoly, and give Kubes a chance.
g. Kubiak can't go on the field and play the game for these guys, the team has to execute. Not his fault that they don't.
H. We are on the right track
There are probably other reasons I have left out, but my feeling is that McNair gives him one more year regardless of W-L record

Rey
11-25-2013, 12:55 PM
I wonder if rick smith is searching for HC candidates.

TexanBacker93
11-25-2013, 01:12 PM
I wonder if rick smith is searching for HC candidates.

I would if I were him. If he can come up with great options and sell why they could get us right back to the playoffs it might save his job. I don't think there is a thing Kubiak could do to keep him and most of his staff employed by the Texans after this season, but Smith is still on the bubble IMO. At least I think he is in the mind of Bob McNair.

I really don't see a firing during the season. Most fans know it's coming after the season; the players know it's coming. Finish the year and find the guy that will get us a Lombardi. Or two. Three?

TexansSeminole
11-25-2013, 04:36 PM
Firing a coach midseason only makes since if the team still had a shot to accomplish something and firing the coach helps accomplish that. When you are in the situation that we are in, you need to let the coaches and players own up to what have built.

Tolar's Ghost
12-06-2013, 01:16 PM
Firing a coach midseason only makes since if the team still had a shot to accomplish something and firing the coach helps accomplish that...

That would be incorrect.

Firing Kubes now makes perfect sense.

Why deny - and prolong - the obvious?

TexansSeminole
12-06-2013, 01:19 PM
That would be incorrect.

Firing Kubes now makes perfect sense.

Why deny - and prolong - the obvious?

I guess we can add that it helps when the team is so undisciplined that you worry about total embarrassment.

Tolar's Ghost
12-06-2013, 01:26 PM
Yes, this definitely was an "extenuating circumstance."

I think McNair made the right move.

Now just let Smith go and I'll start to be confident in him to get good replacements.

Bulls on Parade
12-06-2013, 01:30 PM
With three games left, all of which we will be underdogs and likely to lose, the timing of it seemed strange. But after losing twice in three weeks to the Jaguars I guess it was time to make a big move. The problem is Wade Phillips isn't going to do any better as head coach, with the current roster, than Kubiak did.

Rey
12-06-2013, 01:30 PM
It was absolutely the right move and I kept hoping he'd be let go in season because I didn't see McNair firing him in the off season when he had so many good reasons to do it now.

Bulls on Parade
12-06-2013, 01:33 PM
Another plus to the Kubiak firing is Wade Phillips isn't going to pull Case Keenum from a game. So we've likely seen the last of Matt Schaub playing with the Texans.

Foxboro Steve
12-06-2013, 01:40 PM
Congrats you guys. This was sorely needed. Now watch the team win out and foul up the draft.

santo
12-06-2013, 01:43 PM
Honestly the thing that made me more upset with Kubiak was that when they kept showing Schaub in the sideline, it looked like he was always ready to go in, like if Kubiak asked him to keep his helmet on because he was about to give his boy another chance.

The Pencil Neck
12-06-2013, 01:48 PM
Congrats you guys. This was sorely needed. Now watch the team win out and foul up the draft.

We can only hope.

Vinny
12-06-2013, 02:32 PM
Congrats you guys. This was sorely needed. Now watch the team win out and foul up the draft.
this team has a history of winning once they are out of it. Oh the memories.