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Lord Bills
11-17-2013, 08:21 PM
I cant help but think that Kubiak's fraudulent, restrictive audible system or lack thereof is contributing to this offense inability to adjust to the blitz. Even when schaub was playing, you blitz him and its all over.

You look at qbs who make you pay when you blitz them too much (rogers, maning, brady) they have the full freedom and confidence of their coach to make changes at the line of scrimmage.

Ive seen Keenum play at UofH, the man played with crappy offensive lines and everybody in the world knew he was going to throw the ball yet he always made plays. I find it hard to believe that he cant figure out how to beat a blitz in the nfl especially when they arent even disguising it. They are tipping their hand and letting us know they are going to blitz yet we cant come up with a screen pass to a running back or call a blitz breaking rb draw play.

IMO, its Kubiak's idiotic playcalling, restrictive audible system and outdated offensive philosophy.

eriadoc
11-17-2013, 08:26 PM
When Schaub is in there, a blitz means a ball thrown away or in the dirt, or a fetal position sack. When Keenum was in there, it meant something similar. In either case, the OL is confused as to who to pick up and often let multiple rushers through the line. The RBs miss blitz pick-ups just as much. The receivers don't adjust their routes, and even if they do, there still has to be a minimum time to even get the ball out for a hot route. And on top of that, teams have been using exotic blitzes where the QB doesn't know which guys are blitzing and which guys are dropping, so calling a hot route is not as easy as it is in most message board fans' heads.

It's a total team disaster.

thunderkyss
11-17-2013, 08:28 PM
I normally don't chime in, but it's getting stupid around here.

The "restrictive" play calling thing has been in place in this system for a long time. It won Super Bowls with Joe Montana, Steve Young, & John Elway. It made Jake Plummer look like a damn fine QB & it took Matt Schaub to two division championships, two pro Bowls & a pro bowl MVP.

It's not the same as other systems, but it works.

Not only that, but each play has it's own tweak that can be applied at any time to put the offense in a position to succeed. It's not the system's fault that Case can't count the number of defenders on either side of the ball & determine which side would be beneficial for the run play we have called up.

& on top of that, if you remember the fake spike turned fade to Andre... that's a signal they've got, something they've worked on, it's always in. They can do it at anytime. DeAndre has one as well, he talked about it after the Tennessee game.

So stop it. It's not the system. If the gimp can throw for 4000 yards in 4 of the last 5 seasons.... & our play calling is "uber-predictable" it's not the system.

amazing80
11-17-2013, 08:38 PM
I normally don't chime in, but it's getting stupid around here.

The "restrictive" play calling thing has been in place in this system for a long time. It won Super Bowls with Joe Montana, Steve Young, & John Elway. It made Jake Plummer look like a damn fine QB & it took Matt Schaub to two division championships, two pro Bowls & a pro bowl MVP.

It's not the same as other systems, but it works.

Not only that, but each play has it's own tweak that can be applied at any time to put the offense in a position to succeed. It's not the system's fault that Case can't count the number of defenders on either side of the ball & determine which side would be beneficial for the run play we have called up.

& on top of that, if you remember the fake spike turned fade to Andre... that's a signal they've got, something they've worked on, it's always in. They can do it at anytime. DeAndre has one as well, he talked about it after the Tennessee game.

So stop it. It's not the system. If the gimp can throw for 4000 yards in 4 of the last 5 seasons.... & our play calling is "uber-predictable" it's not the system.


youre so short minded and hard headed its ridiculous

our system has been a failure for a decade now...youre gonna hang your hat on 2 playoff appearances and a couple super bowls from a decade ago....:choke: have fun

Lord Bills
11-17-2013, 08:40 PM
I normally don't chime in, but it's getting stupid around here.

The "restrictive" play calling thing has been in place in this system for a long time. It won Super Bowls with Joe Montana, Steve Young, & John Elway. It made Jake Plummer look like a damn fine QB & it took Matt Schaub to two division championships, two pro Bowls & a pro bowl MVP.

It's not the same as other systems, but it works.

Joe Montana? Steve Young? John Elway?

huh? For you to say this philosophy and restrictive audible system is the same exact system that made Montana, Young, & Elway superbowl champs is a freaking STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETCH.

Just stop it.

You can also stop pretending to be anything other than the Captain of Straddling the Fence in order to pretend not to be a called a Schaub Apologist. Two division titles? a Pro bowl mvp?

Are you serious?

We only won those division titles when peyton's neck imploded and colts went into rebuild mode. I not even gonna dignify the pro bowl mvp talk. That's when you know you are dealing with a fanboy.

Not only that, but each play has it's own tweak that can be applied at any time to put the offense in a position to succeed. It's not the system's fault that Case can't count the number of defenders on either side of the ball & determine which side would be beneficial for the run play we have called up.

& on top of that, if you remember the fake spike turned fade to Andre... that's a signal they've got, something they've worked on, it's always in. They can do it at anytime. DeAndre has one as well, he talked about it after the Tennessee game.

So stop it. It's not the system. If the gimp can throw for 4000 yards in 4 of the last 5 seasons.... & our play calling is "uber-predictable" it's not the system.


fake spike? have you ever seen matt schaub do that play? that was on keenum. that was keenum adlibing. For you to give that credit to kubiak's offensive system is a freaking joke. Its quite obvious the system is broken even before keenum ever took a snap for the texans.

This offense has had trouble scoring since last year, and kubiak's retarded answer to the seattle game about schaub being able to audible should have washed the ignorance and stupidity away from people like you who still think kubiak is some offensive guru.

I was wrong.

amazing80
11-17-2013, 08:42 PM
Joe Montana? Steve Young? John Elway?

huh? For you to say this philosophy and restrictive audible system is the same exact system that made Montana, Young, & Elway superbowl champs is a freaking STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETCH.

Just stop it.

You can also stop pretending to be anything other than the Captain of Straddling the Fence in order to pretend not to be a called a Schaub Apologist. Two division titles? a Pro bowl mvp?

Are you serious?

We only won those division titles when peyton's neck imploded and colts went into rebuild mode. I not even gonna dignify the pro bowl mvp talk. That's when you know you are dealing with a fanboy.



fake spike? have you ever seen matt schaub do that play? that was on keenum. that was keenum adlibing. For you to give that credit to kubiak's offensive system is a freaking joke. Its quite obvious the system is broken even before keenum ever took a snap for the texans.

This offense has had trouble scoring since last year, and kubiak's retarded answer to the seattle game about schaub being able to audible should have washed the ignorance and stupidity away from people like you who still think kubiak is some offensive guru.

I was wrong.

:texflag: well said

Tolar's Ghost
11-17-2013, 08:43 PM
Funny - and timely - that you mention the no-huddle:

The Steelers ran the no-huddle on their first three possessions of the game today. Yes, the Pittsburgh Steelers.

It caught the Lions offguard and staked the Steelers to a 14-0 lead. It was clear that it energized the team and seemed to be the springboard for their unexpected win. They ran it at other times, too.

Too bad the Texans don't do it.

A related note: I caught bits and pieces of the Texans game. From what I could tell, they weren't calling any designed rollouts or bootlegs for Keenum. Several times against the Chiefs, the instant he got the snap he was on the move. But I've seen little, if any, of that since. That was a staple of his repertoire at UH.

Scrambing is hardly the same as rolling out.

thunderkyss
11-17-2013, 08:45 PM
fake spike? have you ever seen matt schaub do that play? that was on keenum. that was keenum adlibing.


My point exactly.

Don't say it's restrictive & the QB lacks the aibility to audible, then turn around & tell me the QB was able to make a play because he called an audible.

SchaubApologist
11-17-2013, 08:46 PM
I normally don't chime in, but it's getting stupid around here.

The "restrictive" play calling thing has been in place in this system for a long time. It won Super Bowls with Joe Montana, Steve Young, & John Elway. It made Jake Plummer look like a damn fine QB & it took Matt Schaub to two division championships, two pro Bowls & a pro bowl MVP.

It's not the same as other systems, but it works.

Not only that, but each play has it's own tweak that can be applied at any time to put the offense in a position to succeed. It's not the system's fault that Case can't count the number of defenders on either side of the ball & determine which side would be beneficial for the run play we have called up.

& on top of that, if you remember the fake spike turned fade to Andre... that's a signal they've got, something they've worked on, it's always in. They can do it at anytime. DeAndre has one as well, he talked about it after the Tennessee game.

So stop it. It's not the system. If the gimp can throw for 4000 yards in 4 of the last 5 seasons.... & our play calling is "uber-predictable" it's not the system.

are you really bragging about a probowl mvp?

dude, come on. it's getting really hard reading your blather.

amazing80
11-17-2013, 08:46 PM
My point exactly.

Don't say it's restrictive & the QB lacks the aibility to audible, then turn around & tell me the QB was able to make a play because he called an audible.

:slapfight: you think gary knew about that? i bet he went off script, ala stafford diving over the oline for a td fake spike

Mr. Texan
11-17-2013, 08:47 PM
where have i heard this before? :kitten:

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1454491

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102239

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1412060

SchaubApologist
11-17-2013, 08:47 PM
:slapfight: you think gary knew about that? i bet he went off script, ala stafford diving over the oline for a td fake spike

absolutely. that was 100% off script and it probably pissed gary the F off.

Texecutioner
11-17-2013, 08:48 PM
I normally don't chime in, but it's getting stupid around here.

The "restrictive" play calling thing has been in place in this system for a long time. It won Super Bowls with Joe Montana, Steve Young, & John Elway. It made Jake Plummer look like a damn fine QB & it took Matt Schaub to two division championships, two pro Bowls & a pro bowl MVP.

It's not the same as other systems, but it works.

Not only that, but each play has it's own tweak that can be applied at any time to put the offense in a position to succeed. It's not the system's fault that Case can't count the number of defenders on either side of the ball & determine which side would be beneficial for the run play we have called up.

& on top of that, if you remember the fake spike turned fade to Andre... that's a signal they've got, something they've worked on, it's always in. They can do it at anytime. DeAndre has one as well, he talked about it after the Tennessee game.

So stop it. It's not the system. If the gimp can throw for 4000 yards in 4 of the last 5 seasons.... & our play calling is "uber-predictable" it's not the system.

This has to be your typical troll like efforts to play some devil's advocate role for responses. Back to the ignore list you go.

Lord Bills
11-17-2013, 08:49 PM
My point exactly.

Don't say it's restrictive & the QB lacks the aibility to audible, then turn around & tell me the QB was able to make a play because he called an audible.

lol wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut??????????


smdh,

"keenum fake spiked!!!!!! its proof that kubiak has a legit audible system!!!!!!"

you're one of the most dishonest posters ive ever come across. Im logging off before i say something that gets me banned.

Lord Bills
11-17-2013, 08:51 PM
where have i heard this before? :kitten:

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1454491


This is just my opinion. But in my football watching experience, I've seen two types of coaches. The one, who believes it is part of the learning process, and gives the QB the freedom to call audibles from day 1, and the other who believes the QB needs to earn the right to be able to call audibles.

I don't think either is right or wrong, but I do believe if you have good people on offense, Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator, QB Coach, then you are setting your QB up for success, by not giving him the ability to audible. Less for him to think about. If you have good plays, which we do, and use a variety of formations and motion to reveal the defense, which we do, the QB has enough information to make almost any play work.

I believe the success Matt has had, (& David Carr and Sage Rosenfels to that extent) is proof of that.

The QB earns the right to call audibles, by first, making the most of the plays & the options those plays present him. Matt is doing excellent in that regard. Second, the QB has to have a conversation with the QBCoach/Offensive Coordinator on the sidelines, when looking at game-time photos. Talk about the last play, what you saw, what you thought, don't let them talk to you about what you should have seen, what you missed. & thirdly, the QB has to make timely use of timeouts. If you are in a position, where there is absolutely no way that you can be successful with the play you were given, call a timeout. This should happen rarely, but when it does, the QB has to recognize it. Talk it over with the coach, tell him what you see, what you think. I think this builds trust, and earns the ability to call audibles.

I don't know how much of this is going on. I imagine Schaub is a sharp guy, and is doing most of it. But I rarely see Matt call timeouts.

I'm watching the Seattle game, 6:31 left in the second Qtr. We are lined up in the Ace package, 2 WRs, 2 TEs, on the 50 yard line, 2nd & 6. Seattle is in nickel showing blitz, with 7 guys on the LOS.

I have no idea what the play is, but there is plenty of time on the clock, we have the lead, our guys seem to be lined up correctly, and ready to snap the ball... & GK calls a timeout.

It may just be me, but I think that should have been Matt who called that timeout.

I believe like any head coach, GK values his timeouts, and don't want to use them unless you have to. But, he's also very conservative, and doesn't want to change the play at the LOS, unless you absolutely have to. Once Matt shows he knows when to use timeouts, he'll know when to call an audible.

wow.

and he started the thread too.

im outta here.

thunderkyss
11-17-2013, 08:59 PM
are you really bragging about a probowl mvp?

dude, come on. it's getting really hard reading your blather.

Stick to the point. Schaub is a garbage QB, but he looked good in this system.

If Keenum is "the truth" this system that turns garbage into wine should make Keenum a God. Not being able to move the ball, or not being able to pick up the blitz has nothing to do with the system.

Several teams use the same system, they don't audible. Each play is adjustable to what the defense shows them.

tvaughan
11-17-2013, 09:00 PM
One of the things I noticed today was that on one of those jail-break blitzes, not a single receiver made a break less than 15 yards out. It was one of the few shots I could see downfield with how the TV covers the game.

How does that happen? After they have been killing you all day sending 6-7 guys -- and the line isn't slowing them down at all (there's was almost always at least one guy unabated to the QB), there is no hot route inside, crossing, a slant, or out to the flat or SOMETHING that doesn't require Case to wait for it to develop?

It just seemed so strange. Even if Case isn't making the read, why isn't a receiver making the read and going to a hot rot of some kind? It's takes two to make the read after all.

I did not understand the scheme here. Totally baffling.

thunderkyss
11-17-2013, 09:00 PM
:slapfight: you think gary knew about that? i bet he went off script, ala stafford diving over the oline for a td fake spike

He wouldn't have finished the game if you're right about what a control freak Gary is."

thunderkyss
11-17-2013, 09:05 PM
where have i heard this before? :kitten:

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1454491

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102239

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1412060

There's some good stuff in there.

thunderkyss
11-17-2013, 09:07 PM
It just seemed so strange. Even if Case isn't making the read, why isn't a receiver making the read and going to a hot rot of some kind? It's takes two to make the read after all.

I did not understand the scheme here. Totally baffling.

After the game Kubiak said Hopkins took less snaps as the game went on because he made several mistakes.

SchaubApologist
11-17-2013, 09:08 PM
Stick to the point. Schaub is a garbage QB, but he looked good in this system.

If Keenum is "the truth" this system that turns garbage into wine should make Keenum a God. Not being able to move the ball, or not being able to pick up the blitz has nothing to do with the system.

Several teams use the same system, they don't audible. Each play is adjustable to what the defense shows them.

uh, you're the one who brought up the probowl mvp.

LOL

i see why so many have you on their ignore list.

Mr. Texan
11-17-2013, 09:10 PM
Yes he should be able to call audibles at times, especially when he sees and all out blitz coming!

^ this post was from 2010 people.

2010

hradhak
11-17-2013, 09:16 PM
Peyton has an average time in the pocket of 2.5 seconds. WIth his starting RT out, and a bad neck he has learned to manage his limitations.

We have a turnstyle at RT and we continue to call 5 and 7 step drops with a minimum of 4-5 seconds before anyone is open. We need to make adjustments in a way that minimizes our weaknesses. I just don't ever see Kubiak doing that.

76Texan
11-17-2013, 09:20 PM
One of the things I noticed today was that on one of those jail-break blitzes, not a single receiver made a break less than 15 yards out. It was one of the few shots I could see downfield with how the TV covers the game.

How does that happen? After they have been killing you all day sending 6-7 guys -- and the line isn't slowing them down at all (there's was almost always at least one guy unabated to the QB), there is no hot route inside, crossing, a slant, or out to the flat or SOMETHING that doesn't require Case to wait for it to develop?

It just seemed so strange. Even if Case isn't making the read, why isn't a receiver making the read and going to a hot rot of some kind? It's takes two to make the read after all.

I did not understand the scheme here. Totally baffling.

After the game Kubiak said Hopkins took less snaps as the game went on because he made several mistakes.

So Kubiak was saying that Hopkins failed to give Keenum the hot route he needs on some of those blitzes?
And Kubiak pulled Keenum?

tvaughan
11-17-2013, 09:21 PM
We continue to call 5 and 7 step drops with a minimum of 4-5 seconds before anyone is open. We need to make adjustments in a way that minimizes our weaknesses.

The deep drops have been driving me nuts. The offensive decision-makers seem to be in complete denial of how bad this line is.

Mr teX
11-17-2013, 09:24 PM
So Kubiak was saying that Hopkins failed to give Keenum the hot route he needs on some of those blitzes?
And Kubiak pulled Keenum?

Pulled both...

thunderkyss
11-17-2013, 09:38 PM
uh, you're the one who brought up the probowl mvp.

LOL

i see why so many have you on their ignore list.

The point was that Schaub performed well in this system, not that the pro-bowl isn't equivalent to a Super Bowl.

thunderkyss
11-17-2013, 09:40 PM
So Kubiak was saying that Hopkins failed to give Keenum the hot route he needs on some of those blitzes?
And Kubiak pulled Keenum?

That's what it sounded like to me.

Rey
11-17-2013, 10:23 PM
I normally don't chime in, but it's getting stupid around here.

The "restrictive" play calling thing has been in place in this system for a long time. It won Super Bowls with Joe Montana, Steve Young, & John Elway. It made Jake Plummer look like a damn fine QB & it took Matt Schaub to two division championships, two pro Bowls & a pro bowl MVP.

It's not the same as other systems, but it works.


I think you are not looking at the entire picture.

Yes, this is a great system, but defenses have evolved. Why wouldn't you add wrinkles such as more freedom for the qb to keep up with the defenses.

There are a lot of old techniques and systems that been used to win superbowls. But smart coaches evolve. Doesn't mean you have to scrap everything you do, but coaches should do whatever it takes to help their offense play better.

Not allowing the qb to do more at the line than what kubiak allows in the year 2013 is really just silly.

thunderkyss
11-17-2013, 10:43 PM
I think you are not looking at the entire picture.

Yes, this is a great system, but defenses have evolved. Why wouldn't you add wrinkles such as more freedom for the qb to keep up with the defenses.

There are a lot of old techniques and systems that been used to win superbowls. But smart coaches evolve. Doesn't mean you have to scrap everything you do, but coaches should do whatever it takes to help their offense play better.

Not allowing the qb to do more at the line than what kubiak allows in the year 2013 is really just silly.

The first half of the Seattle game.

No way Schaub could have done what he did there if what we do hasn't evolved with the times. They're #2 in passing defense right now.

It's more likely that Case isn't ready for that right now, that Kubiak is trying to get Case to master his system way too early, instead of doing what Harbaugh, Shanahan, & Carroll did to buy him some time.

Case is looking decent under center, but we should be running more shotgun/pistol, 4 & 5 wides... let the kid do what he knows.

That's the real problem.

Remember that drawing of the bootleg compared to Matt's bootleg? Well, for whatever reason, Case is running backwards like Matt's bootleg. Two games ago, he was running forward. 19 yard sacks....... that's ridiculous.

& I'm not blaming Case.

CloakNNNdagger
11-17-2013, 10:57 PM
Peyton has an average time in the pocket of 2.5 seconds. WIth his starting RT out, and a bad neck he has learned to manage his limitations.

We have a turnstyle at RT and we continue to call 5 and 7 step drops with a minimum of 4-5 seconds before anyone is open. We need to make adjustments in a way that minimizes our weaknesses. I just don't ever see Kubiak doing that.

By 2.5 seconds, Keenum would be just as likely to have time to tie his shoe laces as he would have to having one of his hot read outlet teammate(s) facing him in time to be prepared to receive the ball.

TejasTom
11-17-2013, 11:21 PM
I normally don't chime in,...

TK,

You got a chuckle out of me here. You have nearly 30,000 posts and posts in almost every thread. What would you consider chiming in?

SchaubApologist
11-18-2013, 12:04 AM
The deep drops have been driving me nuts. The offensive decision-makers seem to be in complete denial of how bad this line is.

im not in love with the OL, but i do not think it's THAT bad.

our offensive schema is wack. it seems like there is no hot route on blitzes. if a team is pounding you with the blitz, you gotta use that against them... ala a screen, or hb draw.

i am not sure gary is even a quality OC in this league. i might sign him on as a QB coach, but i still have concerns with that. gary is left in the wake of the ever evolving nfl... and we are the victims. hell, would you even want gary coaching your favorite college team? i sure as hell wouldn't.

at least we only have 6 more games of gary shoving schaub down our throats. maybe ole schaubby can cost us a game vs. jax.

dream_team
11-18-2013, 12:51 AM
We have a turnstyle at RT and we continue to call 5 and 7 step drops with a minimum of 4-5 seconds before anyone is open. We need to make adjustments in a way that minimizes our weaknesses. I just don't ever see Kubiak doing that.

Just a thought, but could this be one of the limitations of Case since he's short? I heard a commentator one time mention how a shorter QB takes deeper drops so they can see the field better.

SchaubApologist
11-18-2013, 12:54 AM
Just a thought, but could this be one of the limitations of Case since he's short? I heard a commentator one time mention how a shorter QB takes deeper drops so they can see the field better.

no.

5 and 7 step drops are designed for any qb in this system.

EllisUnit
11-18-2013, 02:20 AM
Our no huddle is a joke anyways, not a true no huddle, and the play clock is usually down below 15 before we get the play off, thats plenty of time for the defense to get set with their calls.

Double Barrel
11-18-2013, 01:15 PM
I normally don't chime in,...

WUT??? :rolleyes:

The "restrictive" play calling thing has been in place in this system for a long time. It won Super Bowls with Joe Montana, Steve Young, & John Elway. It made Jake Plummer look like a damn fine QB & it took Matt Schaub to two division championships, two pro Bowls & a pro bowl MVP.

Let's play a game.

It's called: One is Not Like the Other

http://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/imgLib/20110831_Sesame.jpg

Okay, ready?

Joe Montana - Steve Young - Matt Schaub

Bill Walsh - George Seifert - Gary Kubiak

Do you need some hints?

HOU-TEX
11-18-2013, 01:27 PM
WUT??? :rolleyes:



Let's play a game.

It's called: One is Not Like the Other

http://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/imgLib/20110831_Sesame.jpg

Okay, ready?

Joe Montana - Steve Young - Matt Schaub

Bill Walsh - George Seifert - Gary Kubiak

Do you need some hints?

:thinking:

:hmmm:




:lol:

TheIronDuke
11-18-2013, 01:41 PM
WUT??? :rolleyes:



Let's play a game.

It's called: One is Not Like the Other

http://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/imgLib/20110831_Sesame.jpg

Okay, ready?

Joe Montana - Steve Young - Matt Schaub

Bill Walsh - George Seifert - Gary Kubiak

Do you need some hints?

Yeah but how many Pro Bowl MVP's do Montana and Young have between them?

No seriously, I have no idea.

Lord Bills
11-18-2013, 02:04 PM
Our no huddle is a joke anyways, not a true no huddle, and the play clock is usually down below 15 before we get the play off, thats plenty of time for the defense to get set with their calls.

kubiak's answer to the can schaub audible out of that play in the seattle game told you everything you needed to know about our so called audible system.

just look at the games, how many times have we been up against the clock in late game situations and yet you see our offense still huddling up instead of going no huddle :kubepalm:

Lord Bills
11-18-2013, 04:58 PM
Keenum ran basically no huddle his entire career at UofH.

I find it very hard to believe he cant read a blitz, especially when defenses are not even disguising it.

You cant run no huddle the way case did in UofH and not be able to read a blitz.

This blitzing problem is with kubiak's stale outdated offense.

Rey
11-18-2013, 06:34 PM
Audibling especially helps against the blitz. When you see a defender is coming you should be able to exploit that.

Vance87
11-18-2013, 07:12 PM
Audibling especially helps against the blitz. When you see a defender is coming you should be able to exploit that.

What is this audible you speak of?

Lord Bills
11-18-2013, 08:17 PM
all you have to do is watch the game and see we do nothing to help counter the blitz.

We dont do hard counts to try to get an offside or see where the blitz is coming from, we dont do crossing routes, running back draw plays, passes to the flats, TE or WR drags, we dont do none of those things.

Its almost as if kubiak is sabotaging keenum with his play selection.

Like i said, i find it very hard to believe that a qb like case who basically ran no huddle his entire career at UofH cant pick up a blitz.

Its the coaching.

CloakNNNdagger
11-18-2013, 08:36 PM
Keenum ran basically no huddle his entire career at UofH.

I find it very hard to believe he cant read a blitz, especially when defenses are not even disguising it.

You cant run no huddle the way case did in UofH and not be able to read a blitz.

This blitzing problem is with kubiak's stale outdated offense.

The audibling option must be at least part of the "No Huddle" if it is to be successful.

Here is a recent telling article that addresses this type of offense from different coaches' point of view.

The advantages and disadvantages of the no-huddle, hurry-up offense in the NFL (http://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/13/4722170/no-huddle-hurry-up-offense-nfl-peyton-manning-chip-kelly)

CloakNNNdagger
11-18-2013, 08:37 PM
Audibling especially helps against the blitz. When you see a defender is coming you should be able to exploit that.

This should be a no brainer.

thunderkyss
11-18-2013, 10:38 PM
WUT??? :rolleyes:



Let's play a game.

It's called: One is Not Like the Other

http://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/imgLib/20110831_Sesame.jpg

Okay, ready?

Joe Montana - Steve Young - Matt Schaub

Bill Walsh - George Seifert - Gary Kubiak

Do you need some hints?

So you agree with me... it's not the system.

thunderkyss
11-18-2013, 10:45 PM
Keenum ran basically no huddle his entire career at UofH.

I find it very hard to believe he cant read a blitz, especially when defenses are not even disguising it.

You cant run no huddle the way case did in UofH and not be able to read a blitz.

This blitzing problem is with kubiak's stale outdated offense.

I agree that it's not a problem of Case being able to read the blitz. More than likely he doesn't know our plays as well as he should (nothing against Case, he's only been running it for a month), our players are making mistakes on their reads, & our OL sucks.

Surreal McCoy
11-18-2013, 11:25 PM
youre so short minded and hard headed its ridiculous

our system has been a failure for a decade now...youre gonna hang your hat on 2 playoff appearances and a couple super bowls from a decade ago....:choke: have fun

Our system is the exact same system as run by Baltimore last season. Even the terminology is 90% exactly the same as per J Jones and V Leach. But don't let that derail you from calling other people short minded and hard headed...:spin:

steelbtexan
11-19-2013, 01:40 AM
Our system is the exact same system as run by Baltimore last season. Even the terminology is 90% exactly the same as per J Jones and V Leach. But don't let that derail you from calling other people short minded and hard headed...:spin:

So this logically means Gary is subpar at running the system. Or he picked the wrong players to run the system?

TejasTom
11-19-2013, 06:28 AM
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Its almost as if kubiak is sabotaging keenum with his play selection...

I've thought this as well. Consciously or subconsciously?

amazing80
11-19-2013, 08:15 AM
Our system is the exact same system as run by Baltimore last season. Even the terminology is 90% exactly the same as per J Jones and V Leach. But don't let that derail you from calling other people short minded and hard headed...:spin:

link?

Lord Bills
11-19-2013, 10:20 PM
I've thought this as well. Consciously or subconsciously?

both.

out of spite.

Our system is the exact same system as run by Baltimore last season. Even the terminology is 90% exactly the same as per J Jones and V Leach. But don't let that derail you from calling other people short minded and hard headed...:spin:

that might be true, but the plays and when those plays are properly called is different.

You can use the same system, but how you use that system could be different.

thunderkyss
11-20-2013, 07:20 AM
You can use the same system, but how you use that system could be different.

So you agree... it's not the system.

amazing80
11-20-2013, 07:31 AM
Our system is the exact same system as run by Baltimore last season. Even the terminology is 90% exactly the same as per J Jones and V Leach. But don't let that derail you from calling other people short minded and hard headed...:spin:

well, any proof? i have a very hard time believing this since gary and cam learned two complete different systems coming up through the ranks. cam is a vertical system with a power run game. gary is west coast system but uses the zbs and flips the run to set up the pass.

HJam72
11-20-2013, 07:37 AM
We also have a spread out horizontal passing system where you don't throw deep..............................oh, I forgot, that's just Matt... Hehe. :user:

Mr. White
11-20-2013, 08:27 AM
Our system is the exact same system as run by Baltimore last season. Even the terminology is 90% exactly the same as per J Jones and V Leach. But don't let that derail you from calling other people short minded and hard headed...:spin:

I call BS. (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/story/2012/09/21/west-coast-offense-past-its-time/57816080/1)

midway
11-20-2013, 08:29 AM
So you agree with me... it's not the system.

Just because a Rolls Royce and a Kia have 4 wheels, sets, and a steering wheel, that doesn't mean they're the same.

Rey
11-20-2013, 09:09 AM
Our system is the exact same system as run by Baltimore last season. Even the terminology is 90% exactly the same as per J Jones and V Leach. But don't let that derail you from calling other people short minded and hard headed...:spin:

That's maybe the wackiest thing I've read in here.

Rey
11-20-2013, 09:10 AM
So you agree... it's not the system.

No, it's not the system. It's the coach.

Lord Bills
11-20-2013, 12:06 PM
So you agree... it's not the system.

its both. it doesnt help that the oline is playing bad and foster is out. the production shouldnt drop that bad since we still have talent so what does that tell you?

its the coaching.

they keep trotting newton out there instead of ryan harris. that's coaching. im pretty sure kubiak's renowned denny's menu playbook has running back screens, running back draws, crossing routes, reverses, wr,te drags, but we dont see those blitz breaking plays. That's coaching.

leebigeztx
11-21-2013, 01:09 AM
I normally don't chime in, but it's getting stupid around here.

The "restrictive" play calling thing has been in place in this system for a long time. It won Super Bowls with Joe Montana, Steve Young, & John Elway. It made Jake Plummer look like a damn fine QB & it took Matt Schaub to two division championships, two pro Bowls & a pro bowl MVP.

It's not the same as other systems, but it works.

Not only that, but each play has it's own tweak that can be applied at any time to put the offense in a position to succeed. It's not the system's fault that Case can't count the number of defenders on either side of the ball & determine which side would be beneficial for the run play we have called up.

& on top of that, if you remember the fake spike turned fade to Andre... that's a signal they've got, something they've worked on, it's always in. They can do it at anytime. DeAndre has one as well, he talked about it after the Tennessee game.

So stop it. It's not the system. If the gimp can throw for 4000 yards in 4 of the last 5 seasons.... & our play calling is "uber-predictable" it's not the system.

What's even worse, people keep bringing up Case and college like its the same thing. This reply should end it all. A 3rd rd bench buddy threw for 4k with kevin walters as the 2. Its not the plays,its the players.

Vance87
11-21-2013, 01:16 AM
What's even worse, people keep bringing up Case and college like its the same thing. This reply should end it all. A 3rd rd bench buddy threw for 4k with kevin walters as the 2. Its not the plays,its the players.

Yeah man. Kevin Walters was awesome. So is Own Daniel. And JJ Watts. Casey Keenum just can't cut it.



SPELL THE NAMES RIGHT DUDE. And I won't think you are completely inept.

thunderkyss
11-21-2013, 07:01 AM
its both. it doesnt help that the oline is playing bad and foster is out. the production shouldnt drop that bad since we still have talent so what does that tell you?

its the coaching.

they keep trotting newton out there instead of ryan harris. that's coaching. im pretty sure kubiak's renowned denny's menu playbook has running back screens, running back draws, crossing routes, reverses, wr,te drags, but we dont see those blitz breaking plays. That's coaching.

No argument here. This actually makes more sense than the OP.

MasterCush
11-21-2013, 07:19 AM
Our system is the exact same system as run by Baltimore last season. Even the terminology is 90% exactly the same as per J Jones and V Leach. But don't let that derail you from calling other people short minded and hard headed...:spin:

Ravens are 4-6, Texans 2-8. Not too far off. Makes sense to me.

CloakNNNdagger
11-21-2013, 10:40 AM
No argument here. This actually makes more sense than the OP.

Furthermore, it's quite obvious if you review the last game, on the blitzes the OL consistently seemed totally confused as to who to block (many times leaving them to block no one)........most having no clue.