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LikeMike
11-17-2013, 04:56 PM
Serious question. We were seen as a possible superbowl contender this season and now we can`t even get a win against the other bottom feeders with QB troubles. It wasn`t always pretty at the beginning of the season, but we executed a lot better than lately (except or Bullock of course). Is this team just so disfunctional that we can`t get anything going, or did someone in the organisation decided to pull the plug after we had that really bad run and get for a high draft pick?

Right now it seems like we actually might be in the hunt for the top pick - and a real franchise player (QB if Case isn`t seen as the answer) could turn a lot of things around. We have some clear holes on this team, but we also have a lot more talent than most other teams - so did someone just decide: if we can`t get far in the playoffs this season (or even reach them), why don`t we pull a Colts move and just lose out to improve our future?

Norg
11-17-2013, 04:58 PM
We tanking for Johnny Football when in reality he might be the biggest bust or really a 2nd round pick or a Great QB its really the roll of the dice

LikeMike
11-17-2013, 05:01 PM
We tanking for Johnny Football when in reality he might be the biggest bust or really a 2nd round pick or a Great QB its really the roll of the dice

I highly doubt we`d take Manziel with a top5 pick - if at all we`d take him with the first pick of the second round.

Norg
11-17-2013, 05:03 PM
I highly doubt we`d take Manziel with a top5 pick - if at all we`d take him with the first pick of the second round.

He will be gone by then A desperate team starved for a QB will take him he will not make it past the 13th pick

fiasco west
11-17-2013, 05:04 PM
Nope, we just suck.

BullNation4Life
11-17-2013, 05:10 PM
tanking for a Top 5 pick where the Texans will take an O-lineman...

because it is the Texan way...

Goatcheese
11-17-2013, 05:12 PM
Nope, we just suck.

Pretty much this. The only bright spots on the team are the WRs and DEs; maybe the starting CBs when they have a good day. The rest of the team is somewhere between mediocre and terrible.

Rey
11-17-2013, 05:14 PM
Of course not. It's easy for fans to rationalize, but the truth is we're trying our hardest to win.

Naija Texan
11-17-2013, 05:58 PM
No, if we were I don't think the loses would be THIS bad and heart breaking.

phantom17
11-17-2013, 06:01 PM
Not tanking, more like SUCKING!:vincepalm:

ATXtexanfan
11-17-2013, 06:04 PM
Nope, we just suck.

Yup

TheMatrix31
11-17-2013, 06:04 PM
"Tanking" is losing on purpose. Being bad is not "tanking."

Can we abolish this ****ing term from the sports lexicon? IF A TEAM IS BAD, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE TANKING. Good GRIEF.

Nawzer
11-17-2013, 06:08 PM
This is our chance to land a franchise QB for once. Do we have needs in other areas? Hell yeah but I think we're seeing the effects of not having a franchise caliber QB. I don't know if that guy is Manziel or McCarron or someone else. We don't know if that guy will pan out, but we must take that chance while we have it. A great QB can make a lot of other problems disappear.

Uncle Rico
11-17-2013, 06:11 PM
I prefer competitively losing.

Corrosion
11-17-2013, 06:22 PM
tanking for a Top 5 pick where the Texans will take an O-lineman...

because it is the Texan way...

Im all for taking an OT with the first rounder ....


When you consider the quality of QB's in this draft that will likely be taken in the second & third rounds as compared to those who will go in the first , its an easy decision.

There is no clear cut franchise QB in this draft , just a bunch of guy's with a lot of potential. Why not get a great OT with the #1 and then get a McCarron , Murray or Boyd in the second / third when they have just as good a chance of being franchise guy's as do Bridgewater , Mariota or Manziel who I see as the biggest gamble in the entire draft - he's a boom or bust.

Goatcheese
11-17-2013, 06:31 PM
I would be all over Jake Mathews, and I hate me some Aggies. :kitten:

Taylor Lewman is the kind of guy you stick at RT and forget about the position for 10 years. He's a better version of fellow Michigan Wolverine Jake Long.

Uncle Rico
11-17-2013, 06:39 PM
IMO the only position on the line that would constitute a top 5 pick would be LT, otherwise draft best available talent, or trade down and get more value if RT is a must. I think that one of the guys on IR can fill the position or you can get good value via free agency, need to get a more impact player from such a high selection.

Maybe I'm remedial, but maybe someone can educate me as to what exactly consitutes a 'franchise QB' .... If you have the chance to take one of the best college QB's and you have a need at the position, you take it. You will still have a great pick in the 2nd and 3rd which you must hit on as well.

IlliniJen
11-17-2013, 06:43 PM
This is not tanking. This is bad play compounded by even worse decision making. This is literally the most infuriating and befuddling season I have ever seen from this team. I honestly just don't know how much more dysfunctional you can get. Cuz there's dysfunctional and then there's THIS team.

mussop
11-17-2013, 06:43 PM
Manzel is the answer. He is Case on steroids. He's better in every aspect. He's a top 5 player in the draft mock my words.

Goatcheese
11-17-2013, 06:47 PM
Well, since this is turning into a draft thread, I really like McCullers if we're picking outside the top 5.

Please, dear football gods, give me a nose tackle for my 3-4.

ATXtexanfan
11-17-2013, 06:50 PM
Im with rico. Top five pick is either LT, QB or elite pass rusher. We have the LT. Hmmmmmm

Uncle Rico
11-17-2013, 06:52 PM
Im with rico. Top five pick is either LT, QB or elite pass rusher. We have the LT. Hmmmmmm

I wouldnt cry if the pick was clowney, I would rather a QB, but if you want to try to argue that there isnt a big dropoff from Mariota,Bridgewater and Manziel, to guys like McCaron and Taj Boyd then Im going to politely disagree, in that scenario I'd rather just ride with Keenum than waste a 2nd or 3rd on a marginal QB.

kingtexan
11-17-2013, 06:53 PM
No one in this draft worth tanking for ... Luck was already drafted ...

Honoring Earl 34
11-17-2013, 06:55 PM
The Shanny tree is 5-15 this year . This after both made the playoffs last year . :gun:

ATXtexanfan
11-17-2013, 06:56 PM
I wouldnt cry if the pick was clowney, I would rather a QB, but if you want to try to argue that there isnt a big dropoff from Mariota,Bridgewater and Manziel, to guys like McCaron and Taj Boyd then Im going to politely disagree, in that scenario I'd rather just ride with Keenum than waste a 2nd or 3rd on a marginal QB.

Screw it. Clowney then trade up

Uncle Rico
11-17-2013, 07:00 PM
Screw it. Clowney then trade up

Clowney and Watt could be pretty damn nasty. Jump back into the first (picks 20-25) and nab a RB or OL.

amazing80
11-17-2013, 07:02 PM
Clowney and Watt could be pretty damn nasty. Jump back into the first and nab a RB.

:vincepalm: if theres anything we know, its that 1st rd rbs are worthless

Uncle Rico
11-17-2013, 07:06 PM
:vincepalm: if theres anything we know, its that 1st rd rbs are worthless

I can understand that sentiment. DB could be another area that could be addressed, I just so happen to think that you can find a nice RB, Tate will be gone and Foster will be coming back from spinal surgery. Kind of makes me uneasy.

ATXtexanfan
11-17-2013, 07:10 PM
Clowney and Watt could be pretty damn nasty. Jump back into the first (picks 20-25) and nab a RB or OL.

Trade up for qb. Clowney and qb would do wonders for both sides of ball

Uncle Rico
11-17-2013, 07:15 PM
Trade up for qb. Clowney and qb would do wonders for both sides of ball

If one of those 3 guys falls for whatever reason then yeah the value would be there in the late 1st, Mariota and Bridgewater will be gone by the 5th pick, I could see where Johnny Football could drop into the late 1st round, I wouldnt cry if that was the pick after drafting Clowney. Apart from those 3 guys I wouldnt take a flyer on another QB that high there is equal value with Keenum and no significant talent improvement.

LikeMike
11-24-2013, 04:02 PM
Still not tanking? I couldn`t see the game, but I can`t believe that this team is this bad...

toxictrix
11-24-2013, 04:05 PM
If we draft Manziel I will be so mad. The kid has nothing close to resembling an NFL arm. Has bust written all over him.

CretorFrigg
11-24-2013, 04:07 PM
Still not tanking? I couldn`t see the game, but I can`t believe that this team is this bad...

Tanking would imply this team could've won this game. We're not tanking. We just suck.

Thorn
11-24-2013, 04:10 PM
The tank has lost it's treads. We can't even tank now. We're just that gawd awful.

Mr teX
11-24-2013, 04:30 PM
You dont have to try to tank when you're this bad...the suckiness comes naturally.

Norg
11-24-2013, 04:31 PM
If case starts next week then yeah we are tanking

If MAtt starts then it shows we are trying to win

Lurvinator11
11-24-2013, 04:34 PM
We need a RT more than anything. Get a franchise RT, and go from there. What's the QB class for 2015 look like?

PapaL
11-24-2013, 04:45 PM
We need a RT more than anything. Get a franchise RT, and go from there. What's the QB class for 2015 look like?

Is there such a thing as a "franchise" RT?

ATXtexanfan
11-24-2013, 04:47 PM
Have we tanked all the way to #1?

Goatcheese
11-24-2013, 04:55 PM
Have we tanked all the way to #1?

Great, suck in the year with zero elite prospects. :gun:

None of the guys in this year's class would be taken in the top 5 in any of the past 5 drafts.

ATXtexanfan
11-24-2013, 04:56 PM
Great, suck in the year with zero elite prospects. :gun:

None of the guys in this year's class would be taken in the top 5 in any of the past 5 drafts.

Right. This sucks.

amazing80
11-24-2013, 05:03 PM
we better not draft a rt in the top 5.....just sign a free agent

BTW if anyone actually watched matthews this season theyd realize he is TERRIBLE

Honoring Earl 34
11-24-2013, 05:09 PM
History repeating itself so I bring back this classic .

http://www.bangcartoon.com/2005/firstworst.htm

toronto
11-24-2013, 05:11 PM
no need for an artificial tank when the real deal seems to be in full effect.

So clear the coaching staff has lost this team.

Hervoyel
11-24-2013, 05:16 PM
We're not tanking. This is just what it looks like when a franchise falls apart.

2-14 is the likelihood. I don't think we win another game this year and I don't think a single coach survives the purge. Marciano won't even be able to get out of this one.

I bet we flip half our roster before next season. From where I'm sitting right now we have one HoF WR, Watt, Cushing, and a bunch of guys who are just guys. The cupboard is about as bare as it was when Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith walked through the door.

Cast off parts of the Houston Texans are performing well all over the NFL. If Bob McNair can't look at the sheer number of players his team has burned through and do the math after this season he'll never get it. He'll be doomed to run a bottom-feeder franchise (in the classiest possible way) for the rest of his time as an NFL owner.

JCTexan
11-24-2013, 05:25 PM
We're not tanking. This is just what it looks like when a franchise falls apart.

2-14 is the likelihood. I don't think we win another game this year and I don't think a single coach survives the purge. Marciano won't even be able to get out of this one.

I bet we flip half our roster before next season. From where I'm sitting right now we have one HoF WR, Watt, Cushing, and a bunch of guys who are just guys. The cupboard is about as bare as it was when Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith walked through the door.

Cast off parts of the Houston Texans are performing well all over the NFL. If Bob McNair can't look at the sheer number of players his team has burned through and do the math after this season he'll never get it. He'll be doomed to run a bottom-feeder franchise (in the classiest possible way) for the rest of his time as an NFL owner.

I disagree. This team has play-makers all over the field, which leads me to believe it won't take too much for a new regime to get them right back in the playoffs next year.

CretorFrigg
11-24-2013, 05:27 PM
I disagree. This team has play-makers all over the field, which leads me to believe it won't take too much for a new regime to get them right back in the playoffs next year.

Who?

Tier 1: JJ Watt, Brian Cushing, Andre Johnson

Tier 2: Duane Brown, Antonio Smith and Johnathan Joseph (and he's falling fast)

That's all I can name. Everyone else is a scrub. Joe Mays, Daryl Sharpton...seriously?

Hervoyel
11-24-2013, 05:29 PM
I disagree. This team has play-makers all over the field, which leads me to believe it won't take too much for a new regime to get them right back in the playoffs next year.


Let me say right then that I'd like nothing better than to be proven wrong and for you to be right about this. I just don't see those playmakers anywhere.

Nawzer
11-24-2013, 05:29 PM
Must draft a QB with the no. 1 pick. This is a chance to make a real impact on the most important position.

hradhak
11-24-2013, 05:30 PM
Who?

Tier 1: JJ Watt, Brian Cushing, Andre Johnson

Tier 2: Duane Brown, Antonio Smith and Johnathan Joseph (and he's falling fast)

That's all I can name. Everyone else is a scrub. Joe Mays, Daryl Sharpton...seriously?

Not every position is going to be a pro bowler. We will have JAGs on this team as does every team. We just need to replace them as other guys who are better suited show up.

JCTexan
11-24-2013, 05:35 PM
Who?

Tier 1: JJ Watt, Brian Cushing, Andre Johnson

Tier 2: Duane Brown, Antonio Smith and Johnathan Joseph (and he's falling fast)

That's all I can name. Everyone else is a scrub. Joe Mays, Daryl Sharpton...seriously?

I like the potential I see from Hopkins, who I still think is a solid #2 option, & Swearinger. You fell to mention players like Arian Foster and Owen Daniels that will return next year. The biggest problem is this team is making too many mistakes that are costing them games. Shore up the O-Line, a possible QB and fix the mental mistakes and I think a new regime can get this team in contention next year.

Mari-OWNED!
11-24-2013, 05:48 PM
Draft Clowney with the #1 overall pick, then trade back up into the first round and select...

DEREK CARR!!!

JB
11-24-2013, 05:48 PM
I disagree. This team has play-makers all over the field, which leads me to believe it won't take too much for a new regime to get them right back in the playoffs next year.

You're either watching a different field or have much better drugs than I do

JCTexan
11-24-2013, 06:08 PM
You're either watching a different field or have much better drugs than I do

I don't know what it is then since I'm sober. lol :whip:

Honestly, I think this team is like the Chiefs from last year. I think Houston has the players to be good but they're committing too many mental mistakes that has cost them too many games. Too many turnovers that just make you go "not this **** again". That's something a new regime should be able to fix to get this team back in contention. Although there are teams like Oakland & Dallas that just make mental mistakes every year out of habit. I hope that won't be us... :gun:

amazing80
11-24-2013, 06:11 PM
were too bad to tank this good

MEGA SWATT
11-24-2013, 06:24 PM
Tanking without trying to

Natural tankers

Auto tankers

Gifted tankers

Wolf6151
11-24-2013, 06:27 PM
I'm not sure if we're tanking, but if we are it's the only thing we're doing right this year

JB
11-24-2013, 06:30 PM
I'm not sure if we're tanking, but if we are it's the only thing we're doing right this year

I'm not so sure... plenty of excuses are being built along the way.