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kingtexan
11-17-2013, 04:37 PM
AJ will ask for a trade.

Watt will do the same.

Kubiak and Matt will still be here next year.

Houston sucks for football, has since Bum left ...

qqert
11-17-2013, 04:38 PM
amen, watt and johnson deserve better than the bums on the o-line.

newton and brooks need to be signed to a six year 100mil contract!

redwhiteANDblue
11-17-2013, 04:39 PM
Aj would never ask for a trade. But yeah, thanks for everything AJ. I'm sorry you got drafted into this mess of a team. You deserved a lot more.

midway
11-17-2013, 04:40 PM
AJ will ask for a trade.

Watt will do the same.

Kubiak and Matt will still be here next year.

Houston sucks for football, has since Bum left ...

If Kubiak and Matt are here next year then I honestly might stop watching football. Because that just proves that there is no one in charge there who gives a **** about running a football team.

EllisUnit
11-17-2013, 04:40 PM
I think he's more upset that they put Schaub back in over Keenum, you could see a difference in his body language from when keenum was there and when schaub was in there, could be wrong.

Dutchrudder
11-17-2013, 04:41 PM
Trade deadline passed a few weeks ago.

Fili
11-17-2013, 04:42 PM
I think he's more upset that they put Schaub back in over Keenum, you could see a difference in his body language from when keenum was there and when schaub was in there, could be wrong.

That's what it was. You could see his frustration. Keenum can finish, Schaub can't finish.

kingtexan
11-17-2013, 04:42 PM
Trade deadline passed a few weeks ago.

Doesn't happen this year, they will want out in the off-season.

awc713
11-17-2013, 04:43 PM
overreaction much?

yeah, andre has a right to be upset. but he wont ask for a trade. we have the pieces to compete next year. we need to shore up a lot of holes in the draft, and get new coaches. but teams can turn it around fast in the NFL, especially with a team with the raw talent in this lockerroom.

beerlover
11-17-2013, 04:43 PM
This is Kubiaks mess. He created situation by inserting Schaub replacing Keenum. Sorry Gary but you & Matt need to to go take a hike. This is as ugly as it gets :gun:

CretorFrigg
11-17-2013, 04:43 PM
The team just doesn't believe in Schaub anymore. He's lost the team, and deservedly so.

TexanSam
11-17-2013, 04:44 PM
I wish he were on a better team, but I'm not going to feel sorry for anyone making millions to play a game.

kingtexan
11-17-2013, 04:44 PM
we have the pieces to compete next year.

Compete for what? #1 overall pick in the draft?

Norg
11-17-2013, 04:49 PM
Thx Andre For da memories !!!!!!!!!!!

DerekLee1
11-17-2013, 04:49 PM
AJ will ask for a trade.

Watt will do the same.

Kubiak and Matt will still be here next year.

Houston sucks for football, has since Bum left ...

AJ might ask, but he won't be traded. Watt has another year on his rookie contract, and the team would hand JJ the keys to the franchise to call his own shots to stay here. No way does he not retire a Texan.

If AJ and JJ are unhappy with the coaching staff, the coaches will be fired long before they would let either of them leave.

DerekLee1
11-17-2013, 04:52 PM
Keenum can finish, Schaub can't finish.

How can you call Keenum a "finisher"? Have you WATCHED his second half performances?? Not that Schcub can, but seriously; Keenum can NOT respond to a blitz.

:toropalm:

Lucky
11-17-2013, 04:54 PM
Andre's not going anywhere. Kubiak and Schaub need to brush up their resumes.

ziggy29
11-17-2013, 04:55 PM
How can you call Keenum a "finisher"? Have you WATCHED his second half performances?? Not that Schcub can, but seriously; Keenum can NOT respond to a blitz.:

Neither can finish games right now. But at least Keenum can finish drives with TDs instead of FGs*.

* -- Offer not valid in the second half for any Texans QB.

kingtexan
11-17-2013, 04:56 PM
If AJ and JJ are unhappy with the coaching staff, the coaches will be fired long before they would let either of them leave.

Maybe they should be unhappy with the entire organization...

No way does he not retire a Texan.

Sure there is a way ... can only franchise him twice right?

CloakNNNdagger
11-17-2013, 04:56 PM
Kubiak is just Hell bent not give Case the proper time to develop.


This could apply to a number of personnel all the way from the FO to the players.:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MU9ohyyvytM/UbGDnLo_2rI/AAAAAAAAHxs/OkKTjFeQ_c8/s1600/useidiot.jpg

Dread-Head
11-17-2013, 04:56 PM
Schaub is Mr. 3 and out and get into the redzone and settle for 3. Starters don't think that way and Kubiak needs to stop living vicariously through him already. Putting Schaub back in was Kubiak saying "Mr. McNair...please fire me."

midway
11-17-2013, 04:56 PM
Maybe they should be unhappy with the entire organization...


Sure there is a way ... can only franchise him twice right?

I believe you can keep franchising but the salary increases start to get obscene.

Norg
11-17-2013, 04:56 PM
Ok he can go but he will be shipped off to like the browns or Tampa if he wants

Rey
11-17-2013, 04:58 PM
I see a lot of people dismissing it, but if houston doesn't get a legit coach in here next season that immediately competes for a Super Bowl I would not be shocked at all if Dre asks to be traded to a contender.

Dude is at the end of his career. He's not going to want to sit through a rebuilding period.

And you better believe watt is paying attention to what Dre has been through here.

Yeah these guys get paid a lot, but they want to win. They want to be all time greats.

Unfortunately, the texans haven't historically been a franchise where guys reach their maximum potential.

LonerATO
11-17-2013, 04:58 PM
Can we please stop with these "JJ/AJ will want a trade threads." I understand people are upset with this team this year, but I'm not going to feel sorry for any millionaire player(s).

CloakNNNdagger
11-17-2013, 04:58 PM
I believe you can keep franchising but the salary increases start to get obscene.

Twice only.

awc713
11-17-2013, 05:00 PM
Compete for what? #1 overall pick in the draft?

compete for the playoffs. looks, im just as pissed as everyone else around here. its been a long year.

we clearly need a coaching overhaul. BUT, the reason we are all so upset is that we know this team has a lot of talent.

With a good draft, we can cure a lot of problems. We have a good talent base. Far better than a lot of teams. AJ realizes that. Watt does as well. We've been shot in the foot for 3+ years with injuries, but that isn't an excuse anymore.

My point in my post was that AJ nor Watt will demand or ask for a trade. We have the pieces to compete next year. You can turn it around in the NFL in a year or two.

CloakNNNdagger
11-17-2013, 05:00 PM
I see a lot of people dismissing it, but if houston doesn't get a legit coach in here next season that immediately competes for a Super Bowl I would not be shocked at all if Dre asks to be traded to a contender.

Dude is at the end of his career. He's not going to want to sit through a rebuilding period.

You'll know that he's very close or there when he goes public like Reed did.

CloakNNNdagger
11-17-2013, 05:02 PM
compete for the playoffs. looks, im just as pissed as everyone else around here. its been a long year.

we clearly need a coaching overhaul. BUT, the reason we are all so upset is that we know this team has a lot of talent.

With a good draft, we can cure a lot of problems. We have a good talent base. Far better than a lot of teams. AJ realizes that. Watt does as well. We've been shot in the foot for 3+ years with injuries, but that isn't an excuse anymore.

My point in my post was that AJ nor Watt will demand or ask for a trade. We have the pieces to compete next year. You can turn it around in the NFL in a year or two.

I've heard this for 10 years, thank you.

Norg
11-17-2013, 05:04 PM
I've heard this for 10 years, thank you.


the old oilers fans have been hearing this since the 70's LOL

awc713
11-17-2013, 05:04 PM
I've heard this for 10 years, thank you.

so whats your plan?

f it? trade all our players, even our best players, for 3rd, 4th round picks?

MEGA SWATT
11-17-2013, 05:04 PM
Can we please stop with these "JJ/AJ will want a trade threads." I understand people are upset with this team this year, but I'm not going to feel sorry for any millionaire player(s).

Is anyone asking for you or anyone's sadness or sentiment? No. OP is simply saying AJ may demand a trade to get out of this mess. Not sure why income has anything to do with that statement.

silvrhand
11-17-2013, 05:04 PM
I've heard this for 10 years, thank you.

But that's been proven with other teams that have the balls to make the tough decision.

Mr teX
11-17-2013, 05:05 PM
This team sux...Why everyone is making this about Schaub is beyond me.... We switched qb's 4 games ago and got the same results we had when was starting. Schaub comes back in for 1 qtr. and all people can talk about is what Schaub didn't do to win a game that we shouldn't have even been up against it in. If Keenum handles the blitzing even a cintilla better than he has been...schaub's not in the game....period....

fiasco west
11-17-2013, 05:09 PM
Doesn't happen this year, they will want out in the off-season.

Watt isn't going any where.

Andre is another question. If the team is in full rebuild mode with a new GM AND Coach it could be reasonable that they trade him for a high pick. How many years does he have left realistically playing at the level he still does?

As for Watt, he's not going any where anytime soon.

CloakNNNdagger
11-17-2013, 05:10 PM
so whats your plan?

f it? trade all our players, even our best players, for 3rd, 4th round picks?

Classically turn arounds occur with changes at the top, not wholesale changes with players.

qqert
11-17-2013, 05:12 PM
hope to God, jewish, muslim and evrything else, that watt sails for another team.
i do not want him to go down the andre johnson road of playing for a forever mediocre franchise.


it all starts with a paltry owner.

CloakNNNdagger
11-17-2013, 05:12 PM
so what does that tell you?

btw,

its the coaching staf particularly kubiak that needs to handle the blitz better.

You have to call plays that beat the blitz, not help.

Exactly!

False Start
11-17-2013, 05:13 PM
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EllisUnit
11-17-2013, 05:13 PM
hope to God, jewish, muslim and evrything else, that watt sails for another team.
i do not want him to go down the andre johnson road of playing for a forever mediocre franchise.


it all starts with a paltry owner.

So you hope that all good players we get move on to other teams, how will we ever have a chance to compete for a SB if that happens ?

qqert
11-17-2013, 05:14 PM
So you hope that all good players we get move on to other teams, how will we ever have a chance to compete for a SB if that happens ?

what superbowl? wherehave you been?

EllisUnit
11-17-2013, 05:16 PM
what superbowl? wherehave you been?

i mean in the future, if u want every good player we have to go to a good team then we will never get anywhere.

I blame this bad season mainly on the coaches, this team has to much talent to be 2-8

fiasco west
11-17-2013, 05:17 PM
hope to God, jewish, muslim and evrything else, that watt sails for another team.
i do not want him to go down the andre johnson road of playing for a forever mediocre franchise.


it all starts with a paltry owner.

Just go follow another team then. What is the point of hoping that our best young talent goes elsewhere?

Watt is 24...this guy probably has a decade of great football ahead of him and unless he BEGS to go elsewhere that will be all in the Texans uniform.

CloakNNNdagger
11-17-2013, 05:22 PM
i mean in the future, if u want every good player we have to go to a good team then we will never get anywhere.

I blame this bad season mainly on the coaches, this team has to much talent to be 2-8

In a normal hierarchy, the GM would have brought down the hammer........and if not, the owner would bring the hammer down on the GM.

Unfortunately, the owner has not created such a hierarchy.

TejasTom
11-17-2013, 05:22 PM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/11/17/2013-11-1713_44_13.gif

I think Andre is telling him I'll meet you in the parking lot.

And Matt said I'm not taking my helmet off.

qqert
11-17-2013, 05:25 PM
yeah im excited to follow the astros! :gun:

ziggy29
11-17-2013, 05:28 PM
yeah im excited to follow the astros! :gun:

So you are one of the 14 people who get CSN Houston? :spit:

dream_team
11-17-2013, 05:28 PM
so what does that tell you?

btw,

its the coaching staf particularly kubiak that needs to handle the blitz better.

You have to call plays that beat the blitz, not help.
So are you saying once Schaub came in, Kubiak started calling better plays to stop the blitz?

Mr teX
11-17-2013, 05:30 PM
so what does that tell you?

btw,

its the coaching staf particularly kubiak that needs to handle the blitz better.

You have to call plays that beat the blitz, not help.

Are u kidding me? They called PLENTY of bubble screens and quick slants. Once again, the defense KNOWS keenum wants to get rid of the ball quickly when they blitz...they're simply covering up the short stuff long enough to let the blitz get home..

LonerATO
11-17-2013, 05:30 PM
Is anyone asking for you or anyone's sadness or sentiment? No. OP is simply saying AJ may demand a trade to get out of this mess. Not sure why income has anything to do with that statement.

He took the money to stay in the same situation (.500 team), with the same coaching staff(Minus Wade) and the same quarterback. Could he have demanded a trade? Sure, but he opted for the money instead.

A trade involving AJ would more than likely end up with him on a team that could just as terrible are Texans. Smith would try to get the best possible pick(s)/players for AJ and could careless if that team is a winner.

The OP made it sound like like Kubiak and #8 will be here next year and that is the reason AJ and Watt will ask for a trade. Could both of those guys still be here next season? Sure, but that decision would rest squarely on would McNair's shoulders.

nytexan
11-17-2013, 05:43 PM
I've heard this for 10 years, thank you.

And you'll hear it for 10 more years if you get your wish and Keenum remains the starting QB

midway
11-17-2013, 05:45 PM
And you'll hear it for 10 more years if you get your wish and Keenum remains the starting QB

What's with the anti-keenum hardon? Schaub gets 6+ years and we still want to give him more rope, and after 4 weeks everyone has decided that Keenum's 8 TDs and 1pick are simply not good enough.

EllisUnit
11-17-2013, 05:46 PM
And you'll hear it for 10 more years if you get your wish and Keenum remains the starting QB

haha why because while keeum was the starter we lost 3 games by 7 points, and had like 5 kissed FGs. And he has had no foster, no O.D. Give the kid a fair chance and 3 1/s games he has thrown 8 Tds and 1 Int. Come on now. If schaub gets 5+ years surely Case gets more that 3 1/2 games.

Mr. Texan
11-17-2013, 05:48 PM
Dave Zangaro @DZangaro
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Andre Johnson asked if he still wants to be here. "I'm under contract." #Texans
4:44 PM - 17 Nov 2013


https://twitter.com/DZangaro/statuses/402205543273463809


hmmm :kitten:

midway
11-17-2013, 05:48 PM
So are you saying once Schaub came in, Kubiak started calling better plays to stop the blitz?

Once Schaub came in the Raiders didn't blitz almost at all. No need. He simply isn't good enough for them to worry about him having a lot of time int he pocket.

htowntexans1985
11-17-2013, 05:48 PM
Will Grubb @WillGrubbRadio

Andre Johnson when asked if he wants to
stay with the team "I'm under contract.
I'm going to play my contract out."
#Texans

Brisco_County
11-17-2013, 05:49 PM
AJ will ask for a trade.

Watt will do the same.

Kubiak and Matt will still be here next year.

Houston sucks for football, has since Bum left ...

You start really bad threads. Of course none of these things are going to happen.

bOODRO87
11-17-2013, 05:53 PM
Dave Zangaro @DZangaro
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Andre Johnson asked if he still wants to be here. "I'm under contract." #Texans
4:44 PM - 17 Nov 2013


https://twitter.com/DZangaro/statuses/402205543273463809


hmmm :kitten:

Heads are gonna roll, son! There's no way you go 2-8 and no one gets fired. :texanbill:

nytexan
11-17-2013, 05:54 PM
No Anti-Keenum hardon, I just don't think he's an NFL starting QB. Our best bet is to lose out and pick one of the QB's in next years draft.
Schaub needs to go, the whole coaching staff needs to go and Keenum needs to go back to being a benchwarmer.

EllisUnit
11-17-2013, 05:56 PM
No Anti-Keenum hardon, I just don't think he's an NFL starting QB. Our best bet is to lose out and pick one of the QB's in next years draft.
Schaub needs to go, the whole coaching staff needs to go and Keenum needs to go back to being a benchwarmer.

8 TDs and 1 Int in 3 1/2 games says other wise. But after seeing Schaub today i doubt we need to have this debate anymore. Cause Kubiak is a moron and he will ride Schaub into the sun set.

dream_team
11-17-2013, 05:56 PM
Once Schaub came in the Raiders didn't blitz almost at all. No need. He simply isn't good enough for them to worry about him having a lot of time int he pocket.

Texans were two yards away from winning the game. Bad decision by them then. In all honesty, though, Schaub did beat the blitz a couple of times... enough for the Raiders to think twice about sending another blitz.

EllisUnit
11-17-2013, 05:57 PM
Texans were two yards away from winning the game. Bad decision by them then. In all honesty, though, Schaub did beat the blitz a couple of times... enough for the Raiders to think twice about sending another blitz.

They didnt send the blitz until late in the forth and he completed one pass for 7 yards against the blitz.

Pantherstang84
11-17-2013, 05:57 PM
No Anti-Keenum hardon, I just don't think he's an NFL starting QB. Our best bet is to lose out and pick one of the QB's in next years draft.
Schaub needs to go, the whole coaching staff needs to go and Keenum needs to go back to being a benchwarmer.

Two years too late to suck for Luck.

ziggy29
11-17-2013, 05:58 PM
No Anti-Keenum hardon, I just don't think he's an NFL starting QB. Our best bet is to lose out and pick one of the QB's in next years draft.
Schaub needs to go, the whole coaching staff needs to go and Keenum needs to go back to being a benchwarmer.

Even then, wouldn't it be better to have a benchwarmer with more experience and with some learning how to pick up the blitz next season? Keenum may not be the long term solution but if he's worth keeping on the roster next year while Schaub is sent packing, I'd rather invest in Keenum's development than sticking with Schaub.

2slik4u
11-17-2013, 06:00 PM
That's what it was. You could see his frustration. Keenum can finish, Schaub can't finish.

Are you joking?

Keenum hasn't finished one game this season and has had the ball in his hands at the end of the game almost every week he has started.

I'm not defending schaub because I think he sucks but saying keenum can finish is ridonkulous.

I'm also ok with kubiak benching keenum. He was playing awful. What pisses me off is he has never held schaub to the same degree. Schaub only got benched due to injury. I don't think keenum is the answer for the texans but I do think he should start for the rest of the season.

dalemurphy
11-17-2013, 06:00 PM
so what does that tell you?

btw,

its the coaching staf particularly kubiak that needs to handle the blitz better.

You have to call plays that beat the blitz, not help.

Schaub handled the blitz great. He got rid of the ball and moved the team without a run game with little time. Unfortunately, without a run game clicking, schaub lacks the arm and athleticism to make plays in the red zone consistently.

Keenum is struggling to process the blitz and make the hot reads. I also think teams are sending pressure up the middle realizing he can't see the field with the traffic in front of him due to his lack of heights.

The biggest game day play calling mistake was the 3rd and 1 from the two to a hobbled and injured Tate. Otherwise, the issue was poor execution, which can also be blamed on coaches in terms of personnel decisions and preparation this week.

dalemurphy
11-17-2013, 06:02 PM
They didnt send the blitz until late in the forth and he completed one pass for 7 yards against the blitz.

And why do you think they blitzed schaub less?...

ziggy29
11-17-2013, 06:04 PM
Schaub handled the blitz great. He got rid of the ball and moved the team without a run game with little time. Unfortunately, without a run game clicking, schaub lacks the arm and athleticism to make plays in the red zone consistently.

We must have been watching different games. Schaub almost never got blitzed by the Raiders. Yes, he has a quicker release and checks down better. But sometimes I think he checks down too quickly because he has no ability to avoid the rush.

And don't say it's because they knew Schaub could handle the blitz. Do we remember the last few games before Schaub got hurt? He was getting destroyed by the blitz. Plus they knew that Schaub couldn't beat them deep.

The biggest game day play calling mistake was the 3rd and 1 from the two to a hobbled and injured Tate. Otherwise, the issue was poor execution, which can also be blamed on coaches in terms of personnel decisions and preparation this week.

Yes, that whole entire final series of downs was terrible (and predictable) play calling. The Raiders saw every one of those plays coming. And that predictability in play calling has bitten them in the ass too many times.

hradhak
11-17-2013, 06:04 PM
Keenum has a lot to learn, but he's also played only 3.5 games.
Keenum needs to learn to read the blitz and find a checkdown receiver. It's his desire to make a big play on every play that's hurting him more than anything else.

They stopped blitzing Schaub because they realized all they had to do was drop 8 in coverage and Schaub couldn't stop them.

TejasTom
11-17-2013, 06:05 PM
Dave Zangaro @DZangaro
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Andre Johnson asked if he still wants to be here. "I'm under contract." #Texans
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Probably 3 years too late.

EllisUnit
11-17-2013, 06:05 PM
And why do you think they blitzed schaub less?...

Well because they know he cant beat them deep anyways, why do you think they went soft zone the entire 2nd half on Schaub. Schaub cant beat the blitz, he goes fetile before he's even touched most of the time.

dalemurphy
11-17-2013, 06:07 PM
8 TDs and 1 Int in 3 1/2 games says other wise. But after seeing Schaub today i doubt we need to have this debate anymore. Cause Kubiak is a moron and he will ride Schaub into the sun set.

You are making a pro-schaub argument.. Great stats but not clutch late and not winning games. Keenum is 0-4 As a starter and has not moved the team in the second half of any of his games.

I like keenum but clearly the offensive problems don't disappear when keenum enters and schaub leaves... We just trade one set of issues for another. Neither player, at this point in their career, is capable of winning consistently if the rest of the team is playing poorly.

nytexan
11-17-2013, 06:19 PM
I know this is also going to be HERESY on this board and I'm as big an Andre fan as there is but it did look like he stopped on that 4th down pass in the end zone.

Goatcheese
11-17-2013, 06:24 PM
I know this is also going to be HERESY on this board and I'm as big an Andre fan as there is but it did look like he stopped on that 4th down pass in the end zone.

AJ said he quit on his route in the post game interviews. Nobody should be mad that you're saying exactly what happened.

thunderkyss
11-17-2013, 06:25 PM
I think Andre is telling him I'll meet you in the parking lot.

And Matt said I'm not taking my helmet off.

I didn't get to see this. I heard it was much worse.

deucetx
11-17-2013, 06:26 PM
And why do you think they blitzed schaub less?...

Just simple adjustments. The numbers are there. Schaub has horrible numbers against the blitz and pressure. So don't take it to mean Schaub is that much better under pressure cause he actually isn't. Difference in one guy is young and practically a rookie and the other a vet that is 30+ in age. Not saying either is the answer as if seems clear Schaub is not and Kubiak has decided on keenum. Guess time to look at potential Draft picks.

houstonspartan
11-17-2013, 06:27 PM
Heads are gonna roll, son! There's no way you go 2-8 and no one gets fired. :texanbill:

Woa! I'd been saying that McNair will (stupidly) bring Kubiak back, but Andre's comments make me think a housecleaning is coming. Damn.


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datchapin
11-17-2013, 06:31 PM
Compete for what? #1 overall pick in the draft?

Don't have to wait until next year. Unfortunately we're in the hunt for that prize this yr.

kingtexan
11-17-2013, 06:45 PM
You start really bad threads. Of course none of these things are going to happen.

You post really bad comments. Andre has already publicly stated he is just "playing out his contract". Think he wants to be here? Think his agent wont try to get him out? Wake up ...

EllisUnit
11-17-2013, 06:46 PM
You post really bad comments. Andre has already publicly stated he is just "playing out his contract". Think he wants to be here? Think his agent wont try to get him out? Wake up ...

The ONLY way AJ decides to stay here is if we clean house and bring in a prolific head coach with a prolific staff surrounding him.

ATXtexanfan
11-17-2013, 06:46 PM
You are making a pro-schaub argument.. Great stats but not clutch late and not winning games. Keenum is 0-4 As a starter and has not moved the team in the second half of any of his games.

I like keenum but clearly the offensive problems don't disappear when keenum enters and schaub leaves... We just trade one set of issues for another. Neither player, at this point in their career, is capable of winning consistently if the rest of the team is playing poorly.

Nice, sums things up at qb. New coach will invest top 3 pick in a qb

Mr.Scarface
11-17-2013, 07:36 PM
Andre......has NO CHOICE in the matter. He is under contract. He is a professional and will play. Same for JJ Watt.

EllisUnit
11-17-2013, 07:44 PM
It amazes me how AJ wont finish a simple route for Schaub but he just runs down the field and makes amazing plays and TD catches for Keenum. Just saying, maybe he was deflated when he saw Schaub back out there.

EllisUnit
11-17-2013, 07:49 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9993421/andre-johnson-houston-texans-downplays-sideline-spat-matt-schaub

HOUSTON -- Andre Johnson left the field after being pushed away from quarterback Matt Schaub during a sideline spat Sunday, walking into the Houston Texans' locker room to cool off.

Following Houston's 28-23 loss to the Oakland Raiders, the teammates talked about their argument, which stemmed from Schaub's incompletion in the end zone to Johnson on the final play of the game.

"You can see the frustration on his face, frustration on my face," Johnson said. "I'm not worried about that. I think you all are making a big deal about it.


"We talked about it -- it's over with. I mean, me and Matt are fine. I have no problems with Matt. We played a lot of football together. Me and Matt have a good relationship."

mussop
11-17-2013, 07:52 PM
This Fromm several years ago.

“There are times they do things that have me scratching my head,” Johnson said. “I can't lie about that. I mean, really scratching my head.”

“There are times I am sitting around wondering if it is ever going to happen here.

“Do I have to go to another team for it to happen?”

Pretty telling statements!!! Bring in Cowher now before anymore of Johnsons career is wasted or he decides enough is enough. He deserves better than Kubiak.

EllisUnit
11-17-2013, 07:53 PM
the end of the article is the most telling....It is obvious he no longer wants to be here

"I'm under contract, so, I have to play my contract out," Johnson said. "I can't do anything about that."

Johnson also was asked if he would be willing to go through lean years again.

"I've always said this this is where I wanted to be, so I don't really have anything to say about that," he said. "I still have an ongoing contract."

Rey
11-17-2013, 07:54 PM
Only other time Dre has lost it was the innegan incident.

Dre apologized then, played it down and moved on.

I still can't get over Schaub thinking he's in any position to question anyone about what they're doing.

Where was all this fire and passion when you were on the sidelines sulking?

EllisUnit
11-17-2013, 07:56 PM
Only other time Dre has lost it was the innegan incident.

Dre apologized then, played it down and moved on.

I still can't get over Schaub thinking he's in any position to question anyone about what they're doing.

Where was all this fire and passion when you were on the sidelines sulking?

Even when Schaub was playing Case was still pasing the sideline screaming things at the team, Schaub looked like the little brat child sitting in the corner crying because he out grew his scooter and his little brother was riding it.

Honoring Earl 34
11-17-2013, 07:58 PM
Only other time Dre has lost it was the innegan incident.

Dre apologized then, played it down and moved on.

I still can't get over Schaub thinking he's in any position to question anyone about what they're doing.

Where was all this fire and passion when you were on the sidelines sulking?

AJ liked catching some Tds with Case .

Rey
11-17-2013, 07:58 PM
the end of the article is the most telling....It is obvious he no longer wants to be here

That is pretty telling.

Talking about having to finish his contract out.

I think the organization is going to have to make a drastic change otherwise I think Dre will quietly ask for a trade.

Might want to consider WR in the first round too.

houstonspartan
11-17-2013, 07:58 PM
It amazes me how AJ wont finish a simple route for Schaub but he just runs down the field and makes amazing plays and TD catches for Keenum. Just saying, maybe he was deflated when he saw Schaub back out there.

Correct. This is why coaches have to think about the big picture. You have to think about what will spark the entire team, and ignore trying to please one person. These players were done with Matt weeks ago.


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Rey
11-17-2013, 07:59 PM
Schaub and kubiak are frauds.

Marcus
11-17-2013, 08:01 PM
Where was all this fire and passion when you were on the sidelines sulking?

When did you see him sulking on the sidelines?

Or are you just being "rhetorical"?

nut
11-17-2013, 08:01 PM
"We talked about it -- it's over with. I mean, me and Matt are fine. I have no problems with Matt. We played a lot of football together. Me and Matt have a good relationship."

Note that Dre never calls Matt a friend.

Honoring Earl 34
11-17-2013, 08:06 PM
Bob ... the best player in Texan's history has had it with this unicorn and lollipops show . He's going to tell the guy who could replace him with this title , to take the 1st bus out . Unless of course he cashes in cause his elbow is screwed up .

Clean house while you are still better than your expansion bunch , who won 4 games .

dalemurphy
11-17-2013, 08:06 PM
AJ liked catching some Tds with Case .

He had one in his hands from schaub... An easier play than a few of those keenum TDs. Wide receivers love playing with QBs that can extend plays, etc... I remember when every WR in the NFL wanted to play with Vick. Who cares? AJ will prepare each week and show himself on Sundays. I don't think anyone that matters care about his assessment of the QB play.

There is a lot to be frustrated with when the team is 2-8... If winning is vital to him, I am sure the Texans would agree to restructure his contract in order to create more cap room to bring in more talent on offense.

dalemurphy
11-17-2013, 08:08 PM
Also, he should consider not quitting on his routes when the game is on the line... He did it twice in the red zone in the 4th quarter... Not to mention letting a TD get defended away because he tried to body catch it instead of grabbing it with his hands as he has been taught for the past 20 years of his football life.

EllisUnit
11-17-2013, 08:08 PM
He had one in his hands from schaub... An easier play than a few of those keenum TDs. Wide receivers love playing with QBs that can extend plays, etc... I remember when every WR in the NFL wanted to play with Vick. Who cares? AJ will prepare each week and show himself on Sundays. I don't think anyone that matters care about his assessment of the QB play.

There is a lot to be frustrated with when the team is 2-8... If winning is vital to him, I am sure the Texans would agree to restructure his contract in order to create more cap room to bring in more talent on offense.

AJ has restructured countless times already.

Honoring Earl 34
11-17-2013, 08:09 PM
He had one in his hands from schaub... An easier play than a few of those keenum TDs. Wide receivers love playing with QBs that can extend plays, etc... I remember when every WR in the NFL wanted to play with Vick. Who cares? AJ will prepare each week and show himself on Sundays. I don't think anyone that matters care about his assessment of the QB play.

There is a lot to be frustrated with when the team is 2-8... If winning is vital to him, I am sure the Texans would agree to restructure his contract in order to create more cap room to bring in more talent on offense.

I bet he carries some stroke , I bet AJ wishes Matt would go to the open guy when the Raiders are dedicating half the team to him .

EllisUnit
11-17-2013, 08:10 PM
Also, he should consider not quitting on his routes when the game is on the line... He did it twice in the red zone in the 4th quarter.

It prob became habit that he never gets looked at by Schaub in the endzone, i'm sure he was shocked when the ball did go his way.

kingtexan
11-17-2013, 08:11 PM
When did you see him sulking on the sidelines?


Seriously?

Are you asking someone when they have seen Matt Schuab sulking?

Some people on this board make comments that lead you to believe they have never watched the Texans play ...

datchapin
11-17-2013, 08:11 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000283164/article/matt-schaub-andre-johnson-get-heated-in-texans-loss

So apparently Kubiak isn't bothered by the exchange between Schaub and Johnson. Schaub was just put in there to spell Keenum and Keenum will start again next week.

Weaksauce Kubiak, weaksauce.

Honoring Earl 34
11-17-2013, 08:12 PM
Also, he should consider not quitting on his routes when the game is on the line... He did it twice in the red zone in the 4th quarter... Not to mention letting a TD get defended away because he tried to body catch it instead of grabbing it with his hands as he has been taught for the past 20 years of his football life.

Oh it's AJs fault Schaub failed on 4th and 7. You can't rag on a guy who has given everything he has to this team .

Goatcheese
11-17-2013, 08:14 PM
It amazes me how AJ wont finish a simple route for Schaub but he just runs down the field and makes amazing plays and TD catches for Keenum. Just saying, maybe he was deflated when he saw Schaub back out there.

It amazes me that a professional would completely quit on a route on 4th and 2 that could have been a TD.

Seegara
11-17-2013, 08:14 PM
It wasn't AJ's fault. If he had run the wrong pattern, Schaub would never have seen him. He was double covered and would have been wherever he went. Schaub was the problem, trying to force the ball in there instead of looking for the tight end. Keenum should have been in for that last play, at least.

amazing80
11-17-2013, 08:15 PM
just watched the replay, looks like dre ran a curl route and matt threw an in route.....dre took blame, fine. blame him. but id still bet it was matts fault

EllisUnit
11-17-2013, 08:15 PM
Schaub should of never been out there. Kubiaks lame excuse about we needed to make a switch is funny. How come no switch was made when Schaub was throwing pick 6s to every team we played cause he was so predictable. But yet just because a team is blitzing us he makes a switch haha

eriadoc
11-17-2013, 08:27 PM
Think AJ didn't play 100% because it was Schaub. I think he lost hope when Schaub was put back in. Not saying it's right, but seems to me that Schaub has lost AJ, and maybe a bunch of the other guys.

EllisUnit
11-17-2013, 08:30 PM
Think AJ didn't play 100% because it was Schaub. I think he lost hope when Schaub was put back in. Not saying it's right, but seems to me that Schaub has lost AJ, and maybe a bunch of the other guys.

I agree AJ played inspired with Case out there, and rightfully so when all his 5 TDs have come in 2 games with Case. And yes we are 0-3 with Case BUT to lose 3 games by 7 points and have 5 missed FGs is very telling.

amazing80
11-17-2013, 08:31 PM
yup aj quit on his route :cool:

just like the pick 6 vs the seahawks was ajs fault for not "fighting for the ball more".....thats what schaub does. blames others and never credits himself with fault....its always "we" or "us".....i will never believe dre just stopped running, imo he ran a different route.....and matt threw into triple coverage...of course hed blame dre

eriadoc
11-17-2013, 08:32 PM
I agree AJ played inspired with Case out there, and rightfully so when all his 5 TDs have come in 2 games with Case. And yes we are 0-3 with Case BUT to lose 3 games by 7 points and have 5 missed FGs is very telling.

I think any objective observer would say that Keenum has some issues (OMG! A rookie has issues?!?!), but he gave the team a better chance to win. When Schaub was out there, they were getting blown out. So the team has more issues than just QB, but at least with Keenum, things like missed FGs mattered.

amazing80
11-17-2013, 08:32 PM
I agree AJ played inspired with Case out there, and rightfully so when all his 5 TDs have come in 2 games with Case. And yes we are 0-3 with Case BUT to lose 3 games by 7 points and have 5 missed FGs is very telling.

yup, but haters and blind loyalists on this message board fail to see that

Honoring Earl 34
11-17-2013, 08:36 PM
Think AJ didn't play 100% because it was Schaub. I think he lost hope when Schaub was put back in. Not saying it's right, but seems to me that Schaub has lost AJ, and maybe a bunch of the other guys.

If AJ quit it was because the ball shouldn't have been thrown to him . It's at the 4:04 mark . he was in the slot at the inside of the T and the ball ended up at the E in Texans , with a lot of Raiders around .

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013111703/2013/REG11/raiders@texans#tab=recap&menu=highlights

amazing80
11-17-2013, 08:41 PM
If AJ quit it was because the ball shouldn't have been thrown to him . It's at the 4:04 mark . he was in the slot at the inside of the T and the ball ended up at the E in Texans , with a lot of Raiders around .

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013111703/2013/REG11/raiders@texans#tab=recap&menu=highlights

not a great view but to me it looked like dre ran a curl and schaub threw an in route

Mr teX
11-17-2013, 08:44 PM
I think any objective observer would say that Keenum has some issues (OMG! A rookie has issues?!?!), but he gave the team a better chance to win. When Schaub was out there, they were getting blown out. So the team has more issues than just QB, but at least with Keenum, things like missed FGs mattered.

Thats 1 way to look at it....

Honoring Earl 34
11-17-2013, 08:45 PM
not a great view but to me it looked like dre ran a curl and schaub threw an in route

I think Schaub locked in to AJ and the Raiders converged on the spot . AJ does look like he curled .

TexanBacker93
11-17-2013, 08:49 PM
No Anti-Keenum hardon, I just don't think he's an NFL starting QB. Our best bet is to lose out and pick one of the QB's in next years draft.
Schaub needs to go, the whole coaching staff needs to go and Keenum needs to go back to being a benchwarmer.

Unless there is a change at HC & GM we'd get the one guy that doesn't become a great one.

Thorn
11-17-2013, 08:50 PM
Keenum can make something out of a busted play, Schaub can't anymore. At one point in his career Schaub was a damn good QB, we all remember those days. Keenum would never have taken Schaub's job back then. But then isn't now. Schaub isn't what he used to be and because of it Keenum looks better because of his exciting play.

That's all there is to it folks. Football players wear down. Schaub is worn down. Keenum is fresh and new and has good skills. This shouldn't be a new situation to any football fan.

Honoring Earl 34
11-17-2013, 08:52 PM
Oops .

Honoring Earl 34
11-17-2013, 08:54 PM
Here's a picture of where AJ was at .

http://www.texansbullpen.com/13photogallery/Season/2013-11-17-Raiders-Texans/4thQuarter/DSC_1843.JPG

amazing80
11-17-2013, 08:55 PM
Here's a picture of where AJ was at .

http://www.texansbullpen.com/13photogallery/Season/2013-11-17-Raiders-Texans/4thQuarter/DSC_1843.JPG

too bad the pic before didnt show left more....im convinced dre ran a curl....if it was zoomed out some youd prolly see him just squating down

Corrosion
11-17-2013, 09:00 PM
Where's Nitro when you need him .... Need someone to read Schaub's lips and tell us what he said in response to #80.

ObsiWan
11-17-2013, 09:04 PM
the coaching staff cannot adjust to the blitz.

all out blitz coming???

empty the backfield and call for a long developing pass.
Sorry but failure to see the blitz coming is all on Case. Just like we fans see the jailbreak blitz coming Case damn sure should. Yet he fails time and again to check to the hot route and make them pay. He did it once against K.C. and has not since.

You want to know why Case got benched? That's it. I would bet a paycheck they go over how to recognize the blitzes - and what to do about it - in post-game film breakdown every Monday and come gametime Case still doesn't get it. To Kubiak, that's equivalent to a RB fumbling. Both mistakes will get you benched.

Playoffs
11-17-2013, 09:07 PM
Where's Nitro when you need him .... Need someone to read Schaub's lips and tell us what he said in response to #80.

Matt said: Oh, I'm sorry Andre but I've really sucked this year... really going back to last year... and I don't know why I was even in the game.

And then he made this face: http://www.replr.com/sites/all/modules/smiley/packs/kolobok/pardon.gif

TexansSeminole
11-17-2013, 09:08 PM
Also, he should consider not quitting on his routes when the game is on the line... He did it twice in the red zone in the 4th quarter... Not to mention letting a TD get defended away because he tried to body catch it instead of grabbing it with his hands as he has been taught for the past 20 years of his football life.

Are you serious?

I'm at a loss for words when reading some people's posts.

amazing80
11-17-2013, 09:09 PM
nfl.com has an article that says dre yelled at schaub earlier in the game when schaub missed him deep down field.....the 4th and goal just boiled the feud more

MEGA SWATT
11-17-2013, 09:13 PM
So you are one of the 14 people who get CSN Houston? :spit:

I am and I follow the Rockets too:texflag::texflag:

amazing80
11-17-2013, 09:20 PM
lot of misinformation out there...lets clear dre right now



(on what happened on the last play of the game) “I messed up I’ll just put it like that. I messed up.”

not an admittance of stopping on the route

(on the last play did Matt Schaub tell you that you messed up) “No, I mean there was just words exchanged. You could see the frustration on his face, and the frustration on my face. Like I said I’m not worried about that. I think you all are making a big deal about it. We talked about it it’s over. I have no problems with Matt we’ve played a lot of football together. We have a good relationship.”

(on if it’s important to admit you messed up) “I mean it’s part of it. I didn’t do my part. I could’ve made a play that would have had a different outcome.”

no where in those words say dre stopped or ran the wrong route...its him saying matt sucks and you can blame me, i dont give a damn

TexansSeminole
11-17-2013, 09:48 PM
What I saw in the AJ play is a throw into triple coverage in which one defender stepped in front of AJs route. I don't see what AJ could have done differently, except maybe get absolutely smashed and still not catch the ball.

dalemurphy
11-17-2013, 09:50 PM
Oh it's AJs fault Schaub failed on 4th and 7. You can't rag on a guy who has given everything he has to this team .

No, but it is his fault for not running the route, which, if you ask him, I'm sure he would admit should have happened.

amazing80
11-17-2013, 09:51 PM
No, but it is his fault for not running the route, which, if you ask him, I'm sure he would admit should have happened.

wheres your proof dre didnt run the route

JCTexan
11-17-2013, 09:53 PM
What I saw in the AJ play is a throw into triple coverage in which one defender stepped in front of AJs route. I don't see what AJ could have done differently, except maybe get absolutely smashed and still not catch the ball.

Yeah, that's what I saw too. Even if Dre ran the right route, he's still triple covered and the ball was thrown directly to a defender.

TexansSeminole
11-17-2013, 09:55 PM
Yeah, that's what I saw too. Even if Dre ran the right route, he's still triple covered and the ball was thrown directly to a defender.

Ya, and I don't even think he ran the wrong route. I think he just quit running when he saw the defender in the air about to catch the ball. There was really nothing he could have done from what I saw.

But, you know, some people see what they want to see.

Steal Your Face
11-17-2013, 09:57 PM
so what does that tell you?

btw,

its the coaching staf particularly kubiak that needs to handle the blitz better.

You have to call plays that beat the blitz, not help.

Did you even watch the game? About 1/3 of the plays were bubble screens, WR screens, HB screens or TE screens

dalemurphy
11-17-2013, 10:03 PM
Are you serious?

I'm at a loss for words when reading some people's posts.

AJ is a great player and a special athlete. What I can't understand is why people are so quick to blame everything on a lesser talent (Schaub, for instance), who has a great work ethic, attitude, and sacrifices for the team as well... even things that aren't within his control. Yet, when one of the most gifted humans on the earth fails to run his route on a game deciding play or fails to complete a catch for a TD earlier in the game because of poor technique, nobody wants to hold him accountable for it.

I know AJ is a better player than Matt Schaub and, if there was a way to chart it, AJ would be more responsible for more wins/successes than Schaub...

But, the energized hate and blame the fan base continues to focus on Schaub is outrageous and bizarre. Schaub has been a winner for the organization and has played a lot of good football. He has continued to perform to the best of his abilities but his play has slipped since his injury. His poor play contributed to a disappointing 2-4 start this season... Since he was benched, the Texans have continued to lose (0-4). Still, when he enters the game because Keenum is unable to handle some of the pressure packages in the second half, the crowd booed with so loud and so long that the offense had to go to a silent snap at home... Meanwhile, the same crowd caused no problems for the opposing, rookie QB.

The Texans are not 2-8 because of Matt Schaub. The defense has been brutal in the red zone and inconsistent throughout the year. The special teams has been an unmitigated disaster, and the offensive line has been terrible. None of that is Schaub's fault, nor should he be blamed for going into the game when the coach tells him to.

amazing80
11-17-2013, 10:05 PM
the defense of schaub and gary on this board is insane....half of you are just brain dead......i need to go to sleep before i get hot headed and in trouble. good night gentlemen/ladies.

Brisco_County
11-17-2013, 10:09 PM
You post really bad comments. Andre has already publicly stated he is just "playing out his contract". Think he wants to be here? Think his agent wont try to get him out? Wake up ...

Andre's response meant the question is irrelevant. He has four years left.

Watt has played in four playoff games in his 2.5 years in Houston. To claim he wants a trade is just you throwing a fit.

Your threads reflect some of the worst behavior of sports fandom. You advocate throwing ice at players and applauding their injuries, and you refer to a player's family in your rants. You don't know how to draw the line between your personal pride and entertainment. And here we have another thread produced by the same childish venting absent of any logical premise. People with football insight and supported arguments come here for interesting discussion, not to deal with unsupervised kids.

dalemurphy
11-17-2013, 10:11 PM
wheres your proof dre didnt run the route

What route do you think he was running? Where is the "post and slow to a 50% trot" on the route tree?... By the way, it was man coverage. He was not hunting for a hole in the zone. Check the video. He did it on the earlier red zone drive also- on the same route.

How many times did Michael Irvin run a post into tight coverage but commit to getting across the corner back? Hundreds of times! Both times, if AJ ran the route with conviction, he would have had an opportunity to make the play (though neither appeared to be great throws)... Still, he needs to be where he is supposed to be. How many games have we won because AJ made a great, physical play in traffic? This could have been another one, maybe... but, he robbed himself of the opportunity.

Lucky
11-17-2013, 10:13 PM
The line. The backs. The receivers. The defense. Now an All Pro and future HOFer Andre Johnson. It's always someone else's fault for you, dale.

amazing80
11-17-2013, 10:14 PM
What route do you think he was running? Where is the "post and slow to a 50% trot" on the route tree?... By the way, it was man coverage. He was not hunting for a hole in the zone. Check the video. He did it on the earlier red zone drive also- on the same route.

How many times did Michael Irvin run a post into tight coverage but commit to getting across the corner back? Hundreds of times! Both times, if AJ ran the route with conviction, he would have had an opportunity to make the play (though neither appeared to be great throws)... Still, he needs to be where he is supposed to be. How many games have we won because AJ made a great, physical play in traffic? This could have been another one, maybe... but, he robbed himself of the opportunity.

dre looks like he ran a curl and when he turned matt was throwing the ball so dre tried to get there but couldnt.....dre is an all pro hof player who wants a super bowl, to suggest he stopped running is asinine and stupid. its much more logical to think matt threw a bad pass, especially since hes known for it AND his reps have been significantly reduced during the week....but hey blame our all pro wide out on giving up if it makes you feel better mr schaub

SchaubApologist
11-17-2013, 10:14 PM
What route do you think he was running? Where is the "post and slow to a 50% trot" on the route tree?... By the way, it was man coverage. He was not hunting for a hole in the zone. Check the video. He did it on the earlier red zone drive also- on the same route.

How many times did Michael Irvin run a post into tight coverage but commit to getting across the corner back? Hundreds of times! Both times, if AJ ran the route with conviction, he would have had an opportunity to make the play (though neither appeared to be great throws)... Still, he needs to be where he is supposed to be. How many games have we won because AJ made a great, physical play in traffic? This could have been another one, maybe... but, he robbed himself of the opportunity.

if you are right... this means AJ does not want to play with Schaub.

i do not blame him, and will back him up on this one.

TexansSeminole
11-17-2013, 10:16 PM
AJ is a great player and a special athlete. What I can't understand is why people are so quick to blame everything on a lesser talent (Schaub, for instance), who has a great work ethic, attitude, and sacrifices for the team as well... even things that aren't within his control. Yet, when one of the most gifted humans on the earth fails to run his route on a game deciding play or fails to complete a catch for a TD earlier in the game because of poor technique, nobody wants to hold him accountable for it.

I know AJ is a better player than Matt Schaub and, if there was a way to chart it, AJ would be more responsible for more wins/successes than Schaub...

But, the energized hate and blame the fan base continues to focus on Schaub is outrageous and bizarre. Schaub has been a winner for the organization and has played a lot of good football. He has continued to perform to the best of his abilities but his play has slipped since his injury. His poor play contributed to a disappointing 2-4 start this season... Since he was benched, the Texans have continued to lose (0-4). Still, when he enters the game because Keenum is unable to handle some of the pressure packages in the second half, the crowd booed with so loud and so long that the offense had to go to a silent snap at home... Meanwhile, the same crowd caused no problems for the opposing, rookie QB.

The Texans are not 2-8 because of Matt Schaub. The defense has been brutal in the red zone and inconsistent throughout the year. The special teams has been an unmitigated disaster, and the offensive line has been terrible. None of that is Schaub's fault, nor should he be blamed for going into the game when the coach tells him to.

AJ is far and away a more reliable player than Schaub. The last play was pretty clear from what I saw, a forced throw into triple coverage. Why would you blame it on AJ? How is he failing to run his route when the throw is into triple coverage, straight at a defender? What is it that you are expecting?

The problem with Schaub is that he playing to the best of his abilities isn't worth watching. He's not at all a good player and hasn't been for some time now. And now he wants to start calling AJ out for what, not doing what exactly? Diving into triple coverage on a fourth down throw in which a defender is in perfect position to intercept? That's not what good teammates do. That's not what a leader does. That's what a piss poor player does when he realizes his career is done.

To be quite honest, you are always taking a stance in which I do not agree. There are only a few posters in which I disagree with more often, so it's not all that surprising. I don't mean it as an attack, just simply saying that I disagree with most of what you say. We can agree on the most obvious things, such as "the offensive line is playing poorly," or "this defense isn't performing well," but when it comes to analyzing things that aren't blatantly obvious, I tend to disagree with you.

You say that you watched the Cowboys in their glory days but couldn't watch them anymore because they weren't doing it the "right way" and you despised the leaders of the team. You either a) didn't really watch them play, which I doubt, or b) didn't know what you were watching, because your ability to break things down confuses most everyone it seems. You'd think after decades of watching football, someone would be able to understand better what they are watching.

Norg
11-17-2013, 10:18 PM
on that last play Hopkins and Garrett were wide OPEN


Hopkins was damm near sittin on the 5 yard line

I don't know why u throw it to ANdre when hes blanketed by like 4 Raiders


also matt throw the ball 2 soon he could of stood in the pocket a lot longer the rusher on his left fell right on his face

Brisco_County
11-17-2013, 10:19 PM
AJ is a great player and a special athlete. What I can't understand is why people are so quick to blame everything on a lesser talent (Schaub, for instance), who has a great work ethic, attitude, and sacrifices for the team as well... even things that aren't within his control. Yet, when one of the most gifted humans on the earth fails to run his route on a game deciding play or fails to complete a catch for a TD earlier in the game because of poor technique, nobody wants to hold him accountable for it.

I know AJ is a better player than Matt Schaub and, if there was a way to chart it, AJ would be more responsible for more wins/successes than Schaub...

But, the energized hate and blame the fan base continues to focus on Schaub is outrageous and bizarre. Schaub has been a winner for the organization and has played a lot of good football. He has continued to perform to the best of his abilities but his play has slipped since his injury. His poor play contributed to a disappointing 2-4 start this season... Since he was benched, the Texans have continued to lose (0-4). Still, when he enters the game because Keenum is unable to handle some of the pressure packages in the second half, the crowd booed with so loud and so long that the offense had to go to a silent snap at home... Meanwhile, the same crowd caused no problems for the opposing, rookie QB.

The Texans are not 2-8 because of Matt Schaub. The defense has been brutal in the red zone and inconsistent throughout the year. The special teams has been an unmitigated disaster, and the offensive line has been terrible. None of that is Schaub's fault, nor should he be blamed for going into the game when the coach tells him to.

All valid points, but Schaub has already been identified as damaged goods, and the fans see his presence on field as a step in the wrong direction.

dalemurphy
11-17-2013, 10:36 PM
All valid points, but Schaub has already been identified as damaged goods, and the fans see his presence on field as a step in the wrong direction.

I get it. But, there is a level of respect and civility also. Again, they are 0-4 since he was benched. Boo at the end of the game. Yell at the coaches. Boo a bad play. But, come on!

thunderkyss
11-17-2013, 10:37 PM
I honestly thought when Matt went to the side line he was like, "Coach... uh... I've done about all I can do here, put the kid in."

tvaughan
11-17-2013, 10:39 PM
Granted, I don't know as much as some, but I don't see how Andre continuing that route fixes anything. He was in triple coverage.

I think he was surprised Schaub even threw it.

SchaubApologist
11-17-2013, 10:45 PM
I get it. But, there is a level of respect and civility also. Again, they are 0-4 since he was benched. Boo at the end of the game. Yell at the coaches. Boo a bad play. But, come on!

Weren't you blathering about "freedom of speech" in a different thread?

Take your own advice, sport.

hookinreds
11-17-2013, 10:49 PM
What route do you think he was running? Where is the "post and slow to a 50% trot" on the route tree?... By the way, it was man coverage. He was not hunting for a hole in the zone. Check the video. He did it on the earlier red zone drive also- on the same route.

How many times did Michael Irvin run a post into tight coverage but commit to getting across the corner back? Hundreds of times! Both times, if AJ ran the route with conviction, he would have had an opportunity to make the play (though neither appeared to be great throws)... Still, he needs to be where he is supposed to be. How many games have we won because AJ made a great, physical play in traffic? This could have been another one, maybe... but, he robbed himself of the opportunity.

Into triple coverage? Really, that was the best option there? "Look, I can throw TDs to AJ too, not my fault he doesn't go up and get them" - Schaub

hookinreds
11-17-2013, 10:50 PM
Granted, I don't know as much as some, but I don't see how Andre continuing that route fixes anything. He was in triple coverage.

I think he was surprised Schaub even threw it.

More like "I ran my decoy route, why the hell didn't you through to someone who was open"?

Rey
11-17-2013, 11:08 PM
Into triple coverage? Really, that was the best option there? "Look, I can throw TDs to AJ too, not my fault he doesn't go up and get them" - Schaub

Ted Johnson was saying that Andre was upset that Schaub locked in on him and forced the ball to him. He was saying that Schaub should have gone somewhere else with the ball. He ended to route early because he saw it wasn't there (likely to try to get open if Schaub miraculously bought some time).

Really it's a moot point though. I'm sure Schaub won't be the starter here next season and I'm 80% sure kubiak won't be here either.

Rey
11-17-2013, 11:12 PM
Granted, I don't know as much as some, but I don't see how Andre continuing that route fixes anything. He was in triple coverage.

I think he was surprised Schaub even threw it.

No, you know plenty. Some people just can't see whatsoever really going on because they either want to be right and can't objectively think about being wrong or they just have no clue what they are talking about.

Probably a mix of both.

MojoX
11-17-2013, 11:12 PM
Ted Johnson was saying that Andre was upset that Schaub locked in on him and forced the ball to him. He was saying that Schaub should have gone somewhere else with the ball. He ended to route early because he saw it wasn't there (likely to try to get open if Schaub miraculously bought some time).

Really it's a moot point though. I'm sure Schaub won't be the starter here next season and I'm 80% sure kubiak won't be here either.

That sounds plausible, reasonable, and like the Schaub I have come to accept. The defense was all over that route. The smart thing was for AJ to break off and find a hole to sit in in case Schaub, who should have been going through his progression, needed to come back to him.

These things happen in systems where the QB and the WRs have to make the same reads and adjustments on the fly.

During the game, it was mentioned that Schaub had also missed a wide open #80 just before that dreaded play. So Johnson may have been doubly pissed.

Norg
11-17-2013, 11:16 PM
schaub is a vet he should no better

He should of gone throw his reads and TO NOTTTT PAnnic in the pocket

U see how Brady and manning do it

Brady stands tall in the pocket and goes throw his reads VERRRYYY fast might I had but he senses the Pocket he will hop aroun in the pocket has long has he has to


Manning will do the same he kinda does the happy feet in the pocket but he will slide to left right or FWD to buy some time

GuerillaBlack
11-17-2013, 11:21 PM
That sounds plausible, reasonable, and like the Schaub I have come to accept. The defense was all over that route. The smart thing was for AJ to break off and find a hole to sit in in case Schaub, who should have been going through his progression, needed to come back to him.

These things happen in systems where the QB and the WRs have to make the same reads and adjustments on the fly.

During the game, it was mentioned that Schaub had also missed a wide open #80 just before that dreaded play. So Johnson may have been doubly pissed.

We are talking about Schaub here, not Case.

TEXANRED
11-17-2013, 11:33 PM
All valid points, but Schaub has already been identified as damaged goods, and the fans see his presence on field as a step in the wrong direction.
well.........isn't it?

DexmanC
11-18-2013, 01:18 AM
This about sums up the 2013 season.

http://i.imgur.com/m62Ib96.jpg

Brisco_County
11-18-2013, 01:31 AM
I get it. But, there is a level of respect and civility also. Again, they are 0-4 since he was benched. Boo at the end of the game. Yell at the coaches. Boo a bad play. But, come on!

I'm with you -- I will always promote civility, and I hate hearing people boo players who work their asses off. But, as much as we both hate it, it should be expected that any NFL fanbase will boo the entrance of a QB who had a meltdown and broke the league's pick six record. No avoiding that.

well.........isn't it?

Yes.

Goatcheese
11-18-2013, 01:43 AM
I'm with you -- I will always promote civility, and I hate hearing people boo players who work their asses off. But, as much as we both hate it, it should be expected that any NFL fanbase will boo the entrance of a QB who had a meltdown and broke the league's pick six record. No avoiding that.



Yes.

Look at who held it previously and then understand that it's a completely meaningless "record". Interceptions are largely based on luck, and pick 6's even more so. Keenum has thrown a dozen passes that should have been picked off but were dropped by a DB who had a reasonable chance to catch it. Schaub threw plenty of those too, and so did Manning, Brady, Brees, etc.

Schaub has performed poorly for most of this year. He's also flashed some of the old Matt, that makes you think he's not done.

I'm certainly willing to give Keenum time to develop; the season is over. I simply haven't seen anything at this point that makes me think he's going to do so. I just think the pro game is too fast and too complex for him. He's a better Rex Grosman.

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2006/11/f-k-it-im-throwing-it-downfield.html

SchaubApologist
11-18-2013, 01:50 AM
Look at who held it previously and then understand that it's a completely meaningless "record". Interceptions are largely based on luck, and pick 6's even more so. Keenum has thrown a dozen passes that should have been picked off but were dropped by a DB who had a reasonable chance to catch it. Schaub threw plenty of those too, and so did Manning, Brady, Brees, etc.

Schaub has performed poorly for most of this year. He's also flashed some of the old Matt, that makes you think he's not done.

I'm certainly willing to give Keenum time to develop; the season is over. I simply haven't seen anything at this point that makes me think he's going to do so. I just think the pro game is too fast and too complex for him. He's a better Rex Grosman.

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2006/11/f-k-it-im-throwing-it-downfield.html

the keenum that we have seen is miles better than the "old matt" you refer to.

dalemurphy
11-18-2013, 01:54 AM
Into triple coverage? Really, that was the best option there? "Look, I can throw TDs to AJ too, not my fault he doesn't go up and get them" - Schaub


First of all, it was double coverage. Second, I did not think it was a good decision and likely not a good throw. I'm not one of the fans pretending like the 8 losses are the result of a single player.

I'm just pointing out the obvious- on 4th down, with a chance to win the game, AJ quit on the play... That is what happened. Clearly, he is frustrated with the season. I get it. However, he allowed the frustration to diminish effort. As a fan, lack of focus and physical effort are the things I have the least tolerance for. I already know that Schaub's limited mobility and marginal arm are hurdles the team has to overcome in the redzone. The difference, however, is that he has no contol over those things. Effort is entirely within the control of each player on the field and on a couple plays today, AJ lacked effort when it mattered.

dalemurphy
11-18-2013, 01:57 AM
Weren't you blathering about "freedom of speech" in a different thread?

Take your own advice, sport.

What does criticizing someone's words have to do with freedom of speech?

Do you really believe that freedom of speech means everyone should agree with you or remain silent? That is a myopic view of the world, to say the least.

thunderkyss
11-18-2013, 04:32 AM
I'm with you -- I will always promote civility, and I hate hearing people boo players who work their asses off. But, as much as we both hate it, it should be expected that any NFL fanbase will boo the entrance of a QB who had a meltdown and broke the league's pick six record. No avoiding that.



I think it's like the cheering when Schaub got hurt. No one was happy he got hurt. Everyone was happy that another QB was going to get to play & they didn't care which one.

That's not Matt's fault. That's not the fans fault. That's whoever decided to stick by his guy & show an unwavering commitment. That was in game 6 after we've already lost three in a row & that QB had already set the record for most consecutive games with a pick 6. The game prior that was especially ugly; he finished with three ints (pick 6 included) & a passer rating below 40 (that's the easier to score highly passer rating, not QBR). He got pulled in that game, but instead of letting the back up try to win it, we start resting our starters.

It might have appeared that the fanbase was booing Schaub, but they were really booing the decision to put Schaub in the game. It made no sense. & while I believe recent history says we had no chance of coming back with Case (c'mon, we hadn't moved the ball all game long & he generally plays better in the first half) we'll never know. That very well could have been the game that started the Case Keenum legend.

To add insult to injury, it played out like just about everyone in the stadium not named Gary Kubiak thought was most probable. Four trips to the red zone, no TDs, lost game.

I think it was a ballsy call by Kubiak. All chips to the center of the table. I'm sure he knew it wouldn't be popular.

SchaubApologist
11-18-2013, 04:48 AM
What does criticizing someone's words have to do with freedom of speech?

Do you really believe that freedom of speech means everyone should agree with you or remain silent? That is a myopic view of the world, to say the least.

Ya know.. If bob cleans house and hires a proper gm and hc, and they really turn things around.. I'm going to remember which side you were on during these dark times. You are either with the repressive entity, or against it. Keep your head in the sand, i'll let you know when it's safe to come out :D

qqert
11-18-2013, 05:43 AM
on that last play Hopkins and Garrett were wide OPEN


Hopkins was damm near sittin on the 5 yard line

I don't know why u throw it to ANdre when hes blanketed by like 4 Raiders


also matt throw the ball 2 soon he could of stood in the pocket a lot longer the rusher on his left fell right on his face

someone please post a screen grab, PLEASE.

Wolf
11-18-2013, 06:23 AM
About leaving Houston .Andre just says "I'm under contract" makes me wonder if he is tired of the BS here
Yeah it is PfT so .....
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/17/andre-johnson-on-staying-in-houston-im-under-contract/

cstyle42
11-18-2013, 08:04 AM
About leaving Houston .Andre just says "I'm under contract" makes me wonder if he is tired of the BS here
Yeah it is PfT so .....
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/17/andre-johnson-on-staying-in-houston-im-under-contract/

The Ed Reed situation helped he see more clearly what this organization is all about... not winning or holding the right people accountable. Wouldn't be surprised if Texans cut or traded Andre. Good ol boy system...

gafftop
11-18-2013, 08:08 AM
AJ is class. I think we saw what MS is on the sideline after the game. Watching MS at podium after game. He is just so happy to be in spotlight again.

OzzO
11-18-2013, 08:08 AM
Let's see if this gif posts from the sideline exchange... guy in the red shirt at bottom left was like "uh oh... Dre about to knock someone out"

http://nesncom.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/matt-schaub-and-andre-johnson-have-words-after-loss-to-oakland.gif

cstyle42
11-18-2013, 08:17 AM
Matt Schaub mentally is the worst qb in nfl history... yes that includes David Carr. Kubiak is the stupidest coach in nfl history.

cstyle42
11-18-2013, 08:25 AM
Oh and you can't blame it on Jacoby Jones this time... so Andre now? Wow...

HJam72
11-18-2013, 08:47 AM
I can see why Matt was so frustrated with the team (false starts, etc.) when he came back in--he is fighting for his job & all that (although he doesn't actually deserve it)--but he should know better than to show his frustration toward Andre Johnson. That's the last guy he needs to be seen yelling at. Even if it were to turn out that he was right and AJ made some kind of mistake, AJ has such a stellar reputation as a consummate professional....AND everyone can see now how many TDs AJ might have had over the years with a different QB too...

Mattie picked the wrong guy to pick on. Really ought to apologize publicly for his own sake, before there is a lynch mob at his door.

PS-I can't bring myself to bring out the pink soap. Just can't do it after the man had a stroke on the sideline. I am ready to see his replacement though.

dalemurphy
11-18-2013, 09:22 AM
Matt Schaub mentally is the worst qb in nfl history... yes that includes David Carr. Kubiak is the stupidest coach in nfl history.

This summarizes the absurdity and obnoxiousness of all the petulant and fickle fans.

"Matt Schaub mentally the worst QB in NFL history"? Wow! really? I guess his wins, the probowls, etc... are the result of his dependence on his special athletic and physical tools. Yeah, that must be it.

dalemurphy
11-18-2013, 09:30 AM
AJ is class. I think we saw what MS is on the sideline after the game. Watching MS at podium after game. He is just so happy to be in spotlight again.

I have a lot of respect for AJ as a person and teammate. I have no idea where you get the idea that Matt Schaub is an attention whore, though. That is out of left field. Schaub is consistently classy and yesterday's little episode on the sideline is the exception that proves the rule. Schaub never does anything to call out another teammate... it is an example of how frustrated he is and how frustrated AJ is. For those who have played team sports before- this is not a big deal. Disagreements happen all the time in the heat of the moment.

The Texans are 2-8. There is plenty to be frustrated about and nearly any player on the team has contributed some pretty big blunders to be in this position. Plenty of blame, no doubt, and Schaub shoulders a fair amount of it. Still, he's not "the" reason for it and watching the Texans lose 4 games in a row with Keenum starting should highlight that point pretty clearly.

Honoring Earl 34
11-18-2013, 09:52 AM
I have a lot of respect for AJ as a person and teammate. I have no idea where you get the idea that Matt Schaub is an attention whore, though. That is out of left field. Schaub is consistently classy and yesterday's little episode on the sideline is the exception that proves the rule. Schaub never does anything to call out another teammate... it is an example of how frustrated he is and how frustrated AJ is. For those who have played team sports before- this is not a big deal. Disagreements happen all the time in the heat of the moment.

The Texans are 2-8. There is plenty to be frustrated about and nearly any player on the team has contributed some pretty big blunders to be in this position. Plenty of blame, no doubt, and Schaub shoulders a fair amount of it. Still, he's not "the" reason for it and watching the Texans lose 4 games in a row with Keenum starting should highlight that point pretty clearly.

Schaub is an easy target for two reasons .

1. Fans aren't sold on Matt , who is 47-43 as a starter . The QB gets to much credit and to much blame and as the team struggles , the QB is the face .

2. Matt is to a fluid athlete what Mount Cody is to ballet . What's that mean , he looks a lot worse right off the top . The eye test comes when the Texans stink vs top teams . Even when they have the game won ... say ... vs Seattle and he tosses a pick 6 , then says we have to play better as a team , do you realize he ain't one of them ( top notch QBs ) .

At the end of the day Matt is a system QB with decent stats but he can't get you any further than the Texans have been . Heck he can't even fetch 500 anymore . Why ... his skills and Kubiak's catering to the lack of is toast . :roast:

houstonspartan
11-18-2013, 10:11 AM
I have a lot of respect for AJ as a person and teammate. I have no idea where you get the idea that Matt Schaub is an attention whore, though. That is out of left field. Schaub is consistently classy and yesterday's little episode on the sideline is the exception that proves the rule. Schaub never does anything to call out another teammate... it is an example of how frustrated he is and how frustrated AJ is. For those who have played team sports before- this is not a big deal. Disagreements happen all the time in the heat of the moment.

The Texans are 2-8. There is plenty to be frustrated about and nearly any player on the team has contributed some pretty big blunders to be in this position. Plenty of blame, no doubt, and Schaub shoulders a fair amount of it. Still, he's not "the" reason for it and watching the Texans lose 4 games in a row with Keenum starting should highlight that point pretty clearly.

Uh, you do realize that this was our superstar player, don't you? This guy is a Boy Scout, and is adored by everyone. If HE can get frustrated to the point of a heated exchange, that's an indictment on this team. This was not "just another scuffle" between players. This was symbolic.

And you just refuse to believe that your man crush head coach is responsible for this mess, I see. But you will see the light when he's unemployed at the end of the season.

When the star player responds with "I'm under contract" when asked if he wants to stay here, that's proof heads need to roll.


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Hervoyel
11-18-2013, 10:25 AM
I have a lot of respect for AJ as a person and teammate. I have no idea where you get the idea that Matt Schaub is an attention whore, though. That is out of left field. Schaub is consistently classy and yesterday's little episode on the sideline is the exception that proves the rule. Schaub never does anything to call out another teammate... it is an example of how frustrated he is and how frustrated AJ is. For those who have played team sports before- this is not a big deal. Disagreements happen all the time in the heat of the moment.

The Texans are 2-8. There is plenty to be frustrated about and nearly any player on the team has contributed some pretty big blunders to be in this position. Plenty of blame, no doubt, and Schaub shoulders a fair amount of it. Still, he's not "the" reason for it and watching the Texans lose 4 games in a row with Keenum starting should highlight that point pretty clearly.


:kubepalm:

cstyle42
11-18-2013, 10:42 AM
First of all, it was double coverage. Second, I did not think it was a good decision and likely not a good throw. I'm not one of the fans pretending like the 8 losses are the result of a single player.

I'm just pointing out the obvious- on 4th down, with a chance to win the game, AJ quit on the play... That is what happened. Clearly, he is frustrated with the season. I get it. However, he allowed the frustration to diminish effort. As a fan, lack of focus and physical effort are the things I have the least tolerance for. I already know that Schaub's limited mobility and marginal arm are hurdles the team has to overcome in the redzone. The difference, however, is that he has no contol over those things. Effort is entirely within the control of each player on the field and on a couple plays today, AJ lacked effort when it mattered.

Granted Andre was wide open on the play before that but Schaub didn't see him.

cstyle42
11-18-2013, 10:51 AM
This summarizes the absurdity and obnoxiousness of all the petulant and fickle fans.

"Matt Schaub mentally the worst QB in NFL history"? Wow! really? I guess his wins, the probowls, etc... are the result of his dependence on his special athletic and physical tools. Yeah, that must be it.

I would have told you this 4 years ago and when he had the best offensive line in football to shield him. Kubiak played a part in shielding him as well as AJ and Foster. Put Schaub out there with pressure he is and has always been the worst mentally under pressure situations. Jump AJ save me and make my pass look decent at least lol what a joke. Fickle fans... try 2-8 and 11 years of BS. Super bowl? Why even say it when you can't get to a Afc championship game. This year cant even make the playoffs and you talking about fickle fans GTFO.

HOU-TEX
11-18-2013, 11:14 AM
Kind of a random tweet by Rock Cartwright

Rock Cartwright ‏@Rockgotti25 1h
After watching the Texans and raiders game again.. There were some plays out there where Texans WR stopped on routes. #justsaying

cstyle42
11-18-2013, 11:20 AM
Kind of a random tweet by Rock Cartwright

That's the message sent to Kubiak by the players. You go from one qb to another because of favoritism not because you felt he was better for the situation/playcalling that's just not what winning organizations do so since it isn't about that the receivers decided to play limited like the quarterback that got subbed in. I quite frankly believe running the full routes and not being seen so many times for games just has those receivers so frustrated their attitude with Schaub in is... F it!

TheIronDuke
11-18-2013, 11:26 AM
Kind of a random tweet by Rock Cartwright

Most people probably don't even know who Rock is but he played for the Redskins and Raiders as a back-up FB and did some kick returning. I also grew up two houses down from him in Conroe and he was a beast in every sport.

Honoring Earl 34
11-18-2013, 11:27 AM
That's the message sent to Kubiak by the players. You go from one qb to another because of favoritism not because you felt he was better for the situation/playcalling that's just not what winning organizations do so since it isn't about that the receivers decided to play limited like the quarterback that got subbed in. I quite frankly believe running the full routes and not being seen so many times for games just has those receivers so frustrated their attitude with Schaub in is... F it!

I watched Matt warm up in the Colts game in the 2nd quarter . This after Keenum lit it up and at that time I thought this dude has no clue . What he had was a wink from Kubiak that Case was temporary . Case has 8 td passes and Matt has 8 TD passes ( 12 if you count the other teams Tds ) and Matt's been in more games .

Blake
11-18-2013, 11:33 AM
AJ isnt going anywhere. We always upped the ante financially when we feels underpaid and just because we have some turmoil doesnt mean AJ wants to leave or that we should deal AJ. We are in the business of winning games and AJ is going to be a huge part of that.

I think that AJ has proven he still has a few solid years left in him even after half of Houston left him for dead during the 2011 season. AJ is going to be a big part of what this franchise's next coaching regime does. End of thread.

cstyle42
11-18-2013, 12:09 PM
AJ isnt going anywhere. We always upped the ante financially when we feels underpaid and just because we have some turmoil doesnt mean AJ wants to leave or that we should deal AJ. We are in the business of winning games and AJ is going to be a huge part of that.

I think that AJ has proven he still has a few solid years left in him even after half of Houston left him for dead during the 2011 season. AJ is going to be a big part of what this franchise's next coaching regime does. End of thread.

In the business of winning what?

Carr Bombed
11-18-2013, 12:20 PM
AJ will ask for a trade.

Watt will do the same.

Kubiak and Matt will still be here next year.

Houston sucks for football, has since Bum left ...

Step off the ledge..

AJ will not ask for a trade

Neither will Watt

Kubiak and Matt won't be here next season.. so embrace that, they're both already packing

Houston doesn't suck for football.. we just need new direction, the Saints even became a respectable team so it can happen here.

I'm tired of all of these.. "Watt's going to leave/woe is us" threads. Suck it up. Yes we suck, but that doesn't mean we'll always suck, sucking now will bring about change. Just sit back and watch the show.. and the show is called "how many different ways can Kubiak **** can himself" It's quite entertaining.

Blake
11-18-2013, 12:20 PM
In the business of winning what?

lol - just in the business of it. Didnt say we were accomplishing anything!

Double Barrel
11-18-2013, 12:24 PM
When did you see him sulking on the sidelines?

If "sulking" is too hard a word for you, we can go with any of the other synonyms, including but not limited to: brooding, cheerless, crabby, depressed, dismal, dour, fretful, frowning, gloomy, glum, gruff, grumpy, ill-humored, irritable, mean, moody, moping, morose, obstinate, ornery, pouting, pouty, sour, sourpussed, sulking, withdrawn.

A buddy of mine (a former Schaub guy, btw) has been at the last two home games (Colts, Raiders) and texted me throughout both. Schaub does not get involved with the QB meetings on the sideline when they are looking at overhead pictures and making adjustments. It has really bothered him because he thought Schaub was not like this, which really reminded him of the way Warren Moon used to sort of sulk by himself instead of being a leader.

Schaub is a grown assed man who has been a leader of this team for years. The message he has been sending with body language and pouty attitude speaks volumes about his mindset.

For instance, take a guy like Kurt Warner, who was a much better QB than Schaub and had much greater success. Even when he was a backup with the Giants and Cardinals, he was always involved in helping to develop the younger QBs ahead of him. He was a true team player and shared his knowledge, wisdom, and insight of the game with other QBs.

Then look at Schaub, off by himself, grim look on his face, and it's hard not to form a less-than-favorable opinion of him as a player.

If AJ quit it was because the ball shouldn't have been thrown to him . It's at the 4:04 mark . he was in the slot at the inside of the T and the ball ended up at the E in Texans , with a lot of Raiders around .

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013111703/2013/REG11/raiders@texans#tab=recap&menu=highlights

My immediate thought when I saw that pass was "WTF? Why was Schaub trying to force that pass??" Seemed like he was trying to prove a point instead of win the game.

That, or he just locked on a receiver and never saw anyone else open.

Either way, not a good look for a pro QB.

What I saw in the AJ play is a throw into triple coverage in which one defender stepped in front of AJs route. I don't see what AJ could have done differently, except maybe get absolutely smashed and still not catch the ball.

yep. I honestly don't think AJ thought the ball would come his way with so many defenders right next to him. When there are 2-3 defenders on one receiver, surely there are other opportunities out there to be made by other receivers.

Not to write an excuse for AJ, but I think it was less 'quit' than it was assumption that nobody would be stupid enough to try that pass. JMO.

on that last play Hopkins and Garrett were wide OPEN


That's what I was wondering about. Thanks for mentioning it.

Ted Johnson was saying that Andre was upset that Schaub locked in on him and forced the ball to him. He was saying that Schaub should have gone somewhere else with the ball. He ended to route early because he saw it wasn't there (likely to try to get open if Schaub miraculously bought some time).

Pretty much confirms my gut reaction when it happened.

On one hand, he's had a rookie QB make some great passes that allowed AJ to show that he's still got it. Spectacular catches. Inspired. Things of beauty.

Then he sees a seasoned veteran, someone he's played with for years, try to force a pass to the worst possible spot in multiple coverage.

AJ walked off the field. I turned off the TV. We probably both thought the same thing: what a freakin' waste of time.

Brisco_County
11-18-2013, 12:30 PM
Kind of a random tweet by Rock Cartwright

The last thing this team and fanbase needs is isolating Andre Johnson. The guy is more hungry for winning than anyone else, and he's put up with a lot of crap over the years.

infantrycak
11-18-2013, 12:46 PM
If "sulking" ...

I haven't seen people complaining about Keenum wearing his helmet standing by himself yesterday. Hmmm. Maybe neither one is sulking.

People have not Schaub's gomer pyle/droopy dog demeanor for as long as he has been here. It didn't become sulking over night or at least it shouldn't.

A buddy of mine (a former Schaub guy, btw) has been at the last two home games (Colts, Raiders) and texted me throughout both. Schaub does not get involved with the QB meetings on the sideline when they are looking at overhead pictures and making adjustments. It has really bothered him because he thought Schaub was not like this, which really reminded him of the way Warren Moon used to sort of sulk by himself instead of being a leader.

Well that is odd because I would have said exactly the opposite. Schaub notably stayed away the first start Keenum got. Said at the time that was the right move. He has increasingly been talking to Keenum and the QB coach, pointing at the overheads, etc. since then.

For instance, take a guy like Kurt Warner, who was a much better QB than Schaub and had much greater success. Even when he was a backup with the Giants and Cardinals, he was always involved in helping to develop the younger QBs ahead of him. He was a true team player and shared his knowledge, wisdom, and insight of the game with other QBs.

Well barring some better indication I will trust Keenum's own statements that Schaub has been very involved and helpful.

HOU-TEX
11-18-2013, 12:52 PM
The last thing this team and fanbase needs is isolating Andre Johnson. The guy is more hungry for winning than anyone else, and he's put up with a lot of crap over the years.

I think his tweet was including the entire WR corps, not just AJ.

cstyle42
11-18-2013, 01:10 PM
lol - just in the business of it. Didnt say we were accomplishing anything!

Lol I hope things change next year.

SchaubApologist
11-18-2013, 01:11 PM
This summarizes the absurdity and obnoxiousness of all the petulant and fickle fans.

"Matt Schaub mentally the worst QB in NFL history"? Wow! really? I guess his wins, the probowls, etc... are the result of his dependence on his special athletic and physical tools. Yeah, that must be it.

schaub was at the right place at the right time.

most (if not all) nfl qb's could have achieved what he accomplished prior to the league catching on to kubiak's scheme and the strong talent around him.

once both of those factors deteriorated, the real schaub stood up. coincidentally it happened right around the time boy genius rick smith handed him that ludicrous contract extension.

and probowls are nothing to hang your hat on... for god's sake, wade smith was a probowler last year, and by all accounts he sucked (and continues to suck).

SchaubApologist
11-18-2013, 01:13 PM
Step off the ledge..

AJ will not ask for a trade

Neither will Watt

Kubiak and Matt won't be here next season.. so embrace that, they're both already packing

Houston doesn't suck for football.. we just need new direction, the Saints even became a respectable team so it can happen here.

I'm tired of all of these.. "Watt's going to leave/woe is us" threads. Suck it up. Yes we suck, but that doesn't mean we'll always suck, sucking now will bring about change. Just sit back and watch the show.. and the show is called "how many different ways can Kubiak **** can himself" It's quite entertaining.

that's not enough... rick smith HAS to go as well.

Brisco_County
11-18-2013, 01:15 PM
Matt Schaub mentally is the worst qb in nfl history... yes that includes David Carr. Kubiak is the stupidest coach in nfl history.

Everyone's dissapointed with this season, but joining the forum just post silly hyperbole adds no value to the discussion.

gafftop
11-18-2013, 01:17 PM
Andre knows it is a waste of time to argue with a crazy person.

cstyle42
11-18-2013, 01:21 PM
Everyone's dissapointed with this season, but joining the forum just post silly hyperbole adds no value to the discussion.

As far as extending the play... Schaub's mental lapses under pressure combined with his scared thoughts of being hit or just plain failing is the worst I've ever seen. Name someone worst in that one category... don't sit up here and think I'm just posting to post and talk meaningless trash. Think about this regarding to Matt Schaub as a qb. This is his first year where his line was average to below average and nfl defenses forced him to extend plays 8 out of 10 times... now you can see plain as day what Matt Schaub is and always was. As far as Kubiak goes there needs to be no explanation.

Carr Bombed
11-18-2013, 01:24 PM
that's not enough... rick smith HAS to go as well.

Oh.. we're getting a complete new admin

Wade will be gone as well... as will his dumbass man coverage.


The last defensive staff we had couldn't get out of the zone and I bitched and moaned about it. This moron can't get out of man coverage despite the fact that we don't have man corners outside of Joseph and running that type of coverage isn't successful if the pass rush doesn't get there... and it's not getting there at all.

Main problem is, Wade's defense is too dam predictable. He blitzes more than any other team in the league and runs nothing but man coverage... so opposing offenses know exactly what's coming to them.. a blitz and nothing but man coverage. When you already know what to expect and know what's coming, then you have a advantage.

I hope the next D coord. that we hire can actually time his blitzes and can mix up his coverage schemes.. we need a mixture of both man and zone to throw opposing offenses off/keep them guessing which will allow us to actually be able to force turnovers.

TejasTom
11-18-2013, 01:29 PM
The last thing this team and fanbase needs is isolating Andre Johnson. The guy is more hungry for winning than anyone else, and he's put up with a lot of crap over the years.

This is my desktop background until Gary Kubiak is gone.
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/wp-content/blogs.dir/2348/files/week-11-texans-vs-raiders/texans-raiders-02.jpg

SchaubApologist
11-18-2013, 01:30 PM
As far as extending the play... Schaub's mental lapses under pressure combined with his scared thoughts of being hit or just plain failing is the worst I've ever seen. Name someone worst in that one category... don't sit up here and think I'm just posting to post and talk meaningless trash. Think about this regarding to Matt Schaub as a qb. This is his first year where his line was average to below average and nfl defenses forced him to extend plays 8 out of 10 times... now you can see plain as day what Matt Schaub is and always was. As far as Kubiak goes there needs to be no explanation.

i have to agree with this.

when has schaub ever showed up in a big game?

Carr Bombed
11-18-2013, 01:33 PM
This is my desktop background until Gary Kubiak is gone.
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/wp-content/blogs.dir/2348/files/week-11-texans-vs-raiders/texans-raiders-02.jpg



http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/22906367.jpg

LMAO :)

Hervoyel
11-18-2013, 01:38 PM
i have to agree with this.

when has schaub ever showed up in a big game?

Next time it happens will be the first time it happens.

cstyle42
11-18-2013, 01:41 PM
i have to agree with this.

when has schaub ever showed up in a big game?

I know I'm not hating on Matt Schaub. Simply the truth either comforts or offends. I don't even blame Schaub I blame the man that allows him to play and the one above him and the other one above him. Elite and some above average qb's are good to great in pressure moments consistently. Schaub is just not. Steve Young said during a texans vs eagles game on a monday night 3 years ago Schaub is never the reason why the Texans win and that's a issue because he is your qb. Low and behold years later he's literally losing games once the team around him gets a little weaker in certain areas. One would hope the qb could pick up some slack just as other players had been doing for him for the last 4-5 years but that's not what Schaub does... so ultimately Gary Kubiak becomes the only security blanket he has left.

Hervoyel
11-18-2013, 01:44 PM
I haven't seen people complaining about Keenum wearing his helmet standing by himself yesterday. Hmmm. Maybe neither one is sulking.

People have not Schaub's gomer pyle/droopy dog demeanor for as long as he has been here. It didn't become sulking over night or at least it shouldn't.



Well that is odd because I would have said exactly the opposite. Schaub notably stayed away the first start Keenum got. Said at the time that was the right move. He has increasingly been talking to Keenum and the QB coach, pointing at the overheads, etc. since then.



Well barring some better indication I will trust Keenum's own statements that Schaub has been very involved and helpful.

I'm not saying that you're not right to do so but I have reached a point where I no longer can tell when a player is telling the truth or saying what's expected of him. I'm not saying Case isn't being honest. I'm just saying that I don't take that for granted anymore.

For all we know he's simply been being gracious and polite while trying to not upset the apple cart any more than his promotion already has.

SchaubApologist
11-18-2013, 01:47 PM
I have a lot of respect for AJ as a person and teammate. I have no idea where you get the idea that Matt Schaub is an attention whore, though. That is out of left field. Schaub is consistently classy and yesterday's little episode on the sideline is the exception that proves the rule. Schaub never does anything to call out another teammate... it is an example of how frustrated he is and how frustrated AJ is. For those who have played team sports before- this is not a big deal. Disagreements happen all the time in the heat of the moment.

The Texans are 2-8. There is plenty to be frustrated about and nearly any player on the team has contributed some pretty big blunders to be in this position. Plenty of blame, no doubt, and Schaub shoulders a fair amount of it. Still, he's not "the" reason for it and watching the Texans lose 4 games in a row with Keenum starting should highlight that point pretty clearly.

leaving the field (especially at home) without shaking hands with the opposition is as classless as it gets. Schaubby definitely did that yesterday.

AJ was guilty of that yesterday as well, but I give him a pass because I believe he was trying to make a statement without having to make one.

Double Barrel
11-18-2013, 01:57 PM
I haven't seen people complaining about Keenum wearing his helmet standing by himself yesterday. Hmmm. Maybe neither one is sulking.

People have not Schaub's gomer pyle/droopy dog demeanor for as long as he has been here. It didn't become sulking over night or at least it shouldn't.

Well that is odd because I would have said exactly the opposite. Schaub notably stayed away the first start Keenum got. Said at the time that was the right move. He has increasingly been talking to Keenum and the QB coach, pointing at the overheads, etc. since then.

Well barring some better indication I will trust Keenum's own statements that Schaub has been very involved and helpful.

Well I'll take your word for it as I was not at the game.

Perhaps just two different perceptions from two different people at the same game.

And I'm not going toe-to-toe with anyone about Schaub. His best days are well behind him and it's time to move on.

As far as Keenum's statements, I expect nothing less from the guy. He's basically a rookie QB and knows his job is not secure, does not have the confidence of his head coach, and certainly does not want to rock the boat.

Of course he's going to say all the nice things about Schaub. Acting like it means anything is just ignoring the obvious.

I'm not saying that you're not right to do so but I have reached a point where I no longer can tell when a player is telling the truth or saying what's expected of him. I'm not saying Case isn't being honest. I'm just saying that I don't take that for granted anymore.

For all we know he's simply been being gracious and polite while trying to not upset the apple cart any more than his promotion already has.

Speaking your mind as a player and being brutally honest when things are less than rainbows and sunshine is not the "Texans Way ®".

Which is why I am amazed that AJ did what he did, because now he's got a black mark in Gary's notebook. AJ will get a memo to report to the nearest Indoctrination Center to receive more training on how to properly convey a happy demeanor during an 8 game losing streak.

welsh texan
11-18-2013, 02:22 PM
AJs piece on nfl.com can be read in many different ways, on the one hand it's great that he is loyal about his contract, on the other he makes a point that he could get himself gone if he wanted.

All the years of absolute ****e, constant rebuilding etc the one bright spot was aj, and he obviously feels let down for good reason.

The one thing I couldn't help but wonder though was, the media are reporting it like its some kind of major rebuilding project were heading into, I'm unsure, on O we have all the playmaking positions except QB and maybe running back sorted, RB is what like a 3rd round pick? You roll with case next year to both fix the oline, and see what you've got, no point drafting a rookie if he's going to be limited by outside factors while you are trying to develop him, while case is already thrust into that unfortunate position.

So you draft OL, and rather than giving up on the ones we already drafted, say hey, if they all work out, we can get rid of vet contracts to free up cap space.

Then you go 4-3 on D, we got 2 guys failing at olb who could be given a chance across from watt, smith and Mitchell plus a rookie at DT and were set to develop for a year, move Cush back to olb, draft ilb, sign a cheap vet at the other olb.

The secondary, draft 3rd CB, but leave it as is for now and simply have someone run a less obvious coverage scheme, and most of all trust that the pass rushing talent fits a 4-3 well enough to take the pressure off the back end some.

I don't see the huge rebuilding effort needed, the o can be fixed this offseason and the d improved, the following offseason the d can be finished off and then were back to drafting bpa again but with a coaching staff that actually has a clue about current nfl tactics instead of this outdated bull**** we've been seeing them l regress under.

The move to 3-4 was a short term stop gap, it doesn't seem to have worked to me.

Exascor
11-18-2013, 02:46 PM
leaving the field (especially at home) without shaking hands with the opposition is as classless as it gets. Schaubby definitely did that yesterday.

AJ was guilty of that yesterday as well, but I give him a pass because I believe he was trying to make a statement without having to make one.I don't like Schaub. Never have and never will but... Schaub went into the locker room early to clear things up with AJ before everyone else came in. His priority was his relationship with AJ over ceremonial handshaking. I can't fault Schaub for that. Heck, I can't fault Schaub for anything that happened in the game. That was Kubiak's fault. 100%.

cstyle42
11-18-2013, 03:10 PM
I don't like Schaub. Never have and never will but... Schaub went into the locker room early to clear things up with AJ before everyone else came in. His priority was his relationship with AJ over ceremonial handshaking. I can't fault Schaub for that. Heck, I can't fault Schaub for anything that happened in the game. That was Kubiak's fault. 100%.

Schaub is still not man enough to own up to his mistakes... never says "I" he is still saying "we."

TheMatrix31
11-18-2013, 03:44 PM
Emotions run high. Schaub and Johnson are just fine. They're both pissed. We all are.

Double Barrel
11-18-2013, 04:41 PM
AJs piece on nfl.com can be read in many different ways, on the one hand it's great that he is loyal about his contract, on the other he makes a point that he could get himself gone if he wanted.

All the years of absolute ****e, constant rebuilding etc the one bright spot was aj, and he obviously feels let down for good reason.

The one thing I couldn't help but wonder though was, the media are reporting it like its some kind of major rebuilding project were heading into, I'm unsure, on O we have all the playmaking positions except QB and maybe running back sorted, RB is what like a 3rd round pick? You roll with case next year to both fix the oline, and see what you've got, no point drafting a rookie if he's going to be limited by outside factors while you are trying to develop him, while case is already thrust into that unfortunate position.

So you draft OL, and rather than giving up on the ones we already drafted, say hey, if they all work out, we can get rid of vet contracts to free up cap space.

Then you go 4-3 on D, we got 2 guys failing at olb who could be given a chance across from watt, smith and Mitchell plus a rookie at DT and were set to develop for a year, move Cush back to olb, draft ilb, sign a cheap vet at the other olb.

The secondary, draft 3rd CB, but leave it as is for now and simply have someone run a less obvious coverage scheme, and most of all trust that the pass rushing talent fits a 4-3 well enough to take the pressure off the back end some.

I don't see the huge rebuilding effort needed, the o can be fixed this offseason and the d improved, the following offseason the d can be finished off and then were back to drafting bpa again but with a coaching staff that actually has a clue about current nfl tactics instead of this outdated bull**** we've been seeing them l regress under.

The move to 3-4 was a short term stop gap, it doesn't seem to have worked to me.

Great post. This team has talent, so it is much different than 2005 in that regard.

And we have recent examples of a new head coach taking over an under-achieving team with talent and quickly turning it around.

The front office and coaching staff needs a rebuild, but I don't think the entire team has to be sold for scrap and everyone replaced.

Sigma
11-18-2013, 06:11 PM
idk if anyone already posted this
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-gameday/0ap2000000283490/Schaub-and-Johnson-react-to-sideline-argument

that doesn't sound very good to me

SchaubApologist
11-18-2013, 07:01 PM
Emotions run high. Schaub and Johnson are just fine. They're both pissed. We all are.

AJ was pissed because schaub was in the game.

Don't try to twist what took place.

GuerillaBlack
11-18-2013, 07:04 PM
I haven't seen people complaining about Keenum wearing his helmet standing by himself yesterday. Hmmm. Maybe neither one is sulking.

People have not Schaub's gomer pyle/droopy dog demeanor for as long as he has been here. It didn't become sulking over night or at least it shouldn't.



Well that is odd because I would have said exactly the opposite. Schaub notably stayed away the first start Keenum got. Said at the time that was the right move. He has increasingly been talking to Keenum and the QB coach, pointing at the overheads, etc. since then.



Well barring some better indication I will trust Keenum's own statements that Schaub has been very involved and helpful.

That's because Keenum wasn't doing that. he was running up and down the sidelines, clapping his hands and calling things out. When the offense was off the field, he was sitting next to Schaub with his helmet off going over the pictures. Schaub never did that when he was the backup. Only thing I ever saw him do was low five the field goal unit.

EllisUnit
11-18-2013, 07:05 PM
That's because Keenum wasn't doing that. he was running up and down the sidelines, clapping his hands and calling things out. When the offense was off the field, he was sitting next to Schaub with his helmet off going over the pictures. Schaub never did that when he was the backup. Only thing I ever saw him do was low five the field goal unit.

Exactly....

EllisUnit
11-18-2013, 07:06 PM
AJ was pissed because schaub was in the game.

Don't try to twist what took place.

I agree, you could see the difference in his body language as well once Schaub entered the game, he was deflated....

TejasTom
11-18-2013, 07:08 PM
I agree, you could see the difference in his body language as well once Schaub entered the game, he was deflated....

We were all deflated.

EllisUnit
11-18-2013, 07:12 PM
We were all deflated.

I havent been that down since Miley Cyrus quit twerking :kitten:

GuerillaBlack
11-19-2013, 12:44 AM
Exactly....

What was really funny was seeing Schaub try to act like Keenum in the huddle. I have never seen him clap his hands so much and kneel like he was about to kick some ass. It was usually hands over his helmet leaning towards the sidelines, slow walk to the huddle, and a calm break.

DerekLee1
11-19-2013, 12:45 AM
compete for the playoffs. looks, im just as pissed as everyone else around here. its been a long year.

we clearly need a coaching overhaul. BUT, the reason we are all so upset is that we know this team has a lot of talent.

With a good draft, we can cure a lot of problems. We have a good talent base. Far better than a lot of teams. AJ realizes that. Watt does as well. We've been shot in the foot for 3+ years with injuries, but that isn't an excuse anymore.

My point in my post was that AJ nor Watt will demand or ask for a trade. We have the pieces to compete next year. You can turn it around in the NFL in a year or two.

Exactly. Just look at KC.

Sigma
11-19-2013, 03:59 AM
I havent been that down since Miley Cyrus quit twerking :kitten:

thank you God for youtube

:fostering:

EllisUnit
11-19-2013, 09:07 AM
thank you God for youtube

:fostering:

Haha indeed

CloakNNNdagger
11-19-2013, 09:16 AM
That's because Keenum wasn't doing that. he was running up and down the sidelines, clapping his hands and calling things out. When the offense was off the field, he was sitting next to Schaub with his helmet off going over the pictures. Schaub never did that when he was the backup. Only thing I ever saw him do was low five the field goal unit.

Exactly what I was pointing out to a buddy of mine.

drs23
11-19-2013, 03:53 PM
I havent been that down since Miley Cyrus quit twerking :kitten:

I'm behind the times so forgive for having to axe but what exactly is this "twerking" you speak of?

Got any pictures? :D :kitten:

Edit: went to youtube. Guess I'm old. Did nada for me.

False Start
11-19-2013, 06:55 PM
Good lord, I have been reading comments on different sites about this situation, and there a quite a few people calling AJ a "spoiled brat", "quitter", "sore loser" etc.

People like this really piss me off. They are obviously bandwagon fans and have no idea what the fvck they are talking about.

Just had to get that off my chest. :)

TejasTom
11-19-2013, 08:18 PM
Good lord, I have been reading comments on different sites about this situation, and there a quite a few people calling AJ a "spoiled brat", "quitter", "sore loser" etc.

People like this really piss me off. They are obviously bandwagon fans and have no idea what the fvck they are talking about.

Just had to get that off my chest. :)

Haven't seen that but you're right. :bravo:

Lucky
11-19-2013, 09:53 PM
Good lord, I have been reading comments on different sites about this situation, and there a quite a few people calling AJ a "spoiled brat", "quitter", "sore loser" etc.
How many forums is dalemurphy a member of?

chicagotexan2
11-19-2013, 10:19 PM
How many forums is dalemurphy a member of?

Well there's......

kubiak4president.com
MattsAllThat.xxx
TheSilentCount.net
KeenumCantWinnem.org
BooBooChooChoo.edu

Dutchrudder
11-19-2013, 11:35 PM
Good lord, I have been reading comments on different sites about this situation, and there a quite a few people calling AJ a "spoiled brat", "quitter", "sore loser" etc.

People like this really piss me off. They are obviously bandwagon fans and have no idea what the fvck they are talking about.

Just had to get that off my chest. :)

There are a lot of morons out there who don't know football, and can't recognize that a QB throwing into triple coverage is the one at fault.

TejasTom
11-20-2013, 12:40 AM
How many forums is dalemurphy a member of?

MSR

EVOLVIST
11-20-2013, 12:41 AM
...when has schaub ever showed up in a big game?

They are all big games in the NFL.

September 19th, 2010 is the only one I can think of off hand. Matt really came through on that one.

That beautiful highlight reel pass to AJ for the tie with 2:11 to go in the 4th. We won in OT. Matt Schaub QBR of 114. 497 yards passing. 3TDs and a pick.

Come to think of it, that's pretty sh!tty when I can only think of 1.

There's gotta be more, right? :thinking:

dalemurphy
11-20-2013, 12:48 AM
How many forums is dalemurphy a member of?

Regarding football, just this one... And, I have never written that AJ is a quitter, sore loser, or spoiled brat. I simply pointed out the truth that AJ pulled up on his route, which he should not have. No name-calling involved. Unlike so many "Texan" fans, I can criticize a player for a mistake without demonizing him.

dalemurphy
11-20-2013, 12:50 AM
They are all big games in the NFL.

September 19th, 2010 is the only one I can think of off hand. Matt really came through on that one.

That beautiful highlight reel pass to AJ for the tie with 2:11 to go in the 4th. We won in OT. Matt Schaub QBR of 114. 497 yards passing. 3TDs and a pick.

Come to think of it, that's pretty sh!tty when I can only think of 1.

There's gotta be more, right? :thinking:

Well, without exercising my brain too much, there were the first two games of this year when he brought the team back from large deficits late in the game.

TejasTom
11-20-2013, 12:53 AM
They are all big games in the NFL.

September 19th, 2010 is the only one I can think of off hand. Matt really came through on that one.

That beautiful highlight reel pass to AJ for the tie with 2:11 to go in the 4th. We won in OT. Matt Schaub QBR of 114. 497 yards passing. 3TDs and a pick.

Come to think of it, that's pretty sh!tty when I can only think of 1.

There's gotta be more, right? :thinking:

Special day in our house...the moment my wife obtained enlightenment. She flew off the couch with both arms in the air yelling "I want an Andre Johnson jersey!" when he made that catch.

Brings tears to my eyes every time I think about it.

TejasTom
11-20-2013, 07:48 AM
You don't have to be Cortland Finnegan*to know you're not winning a fight with Andre Johnson. Not in Houston.


Johnson deserves better than these Texans, than this washed up Schaub, than a coaching decision that inexplicably benches the franchise's hope in his fourth career start. Andre Johnson is starting to look an awful lot like Barry Sanders, a blinding talent doomed to play for a franchise that just can't see the light.



Andre Johnson wins any fight with Matt Schaub: Case Keenum, No. 80 both deserve much better (http://houston.culturemap.com/news/sports/11-17-13-andre-johnson-wins-any-fight-with-matt-schaub-case-keenum-no-80-both-deserve-much-better/) by Chris Baldwin

Double Barrel
11-20-2013, 01:30 PM
There are a lot of morons out there who don't know football, and can't recognize that a QB throwing into triple coverage is the one at fault.

yep. Nevermind the fact that Case was putting the ball in places for AJ to make some spectacular catches that clearly reveal he's still got it.

No, Schaub had to lock on to one receiver and force a pass into stupid coverage while completely ignoring other receivers who would have caught TDs to win the game.

AJ sees the same thing we see.

Hervoyel
11-20-2013, 02:51 PM
yep. Nevermind the fact that Case was putting the ball in places for AJ to make some spectacular catches that clearly reveal he's still got it.

No, Schaub had to lock on to one receiver and force a pass into stupid coverage while completely ignoring other receivers who would have caught TDs to win the game.

AJ sees the same thing we see.

yeah but Brett Favre says "Completions are way more awesome than you force them through triple coverage"

Or at least that guy pretending to be Brett Favre says that. Is a guy pretending to be Brett Favre actually a better QB than we've ever had here in Houston with the Texans?

Maybe. I'd listen to him. He looks a lot like a future Hall of Famer.

Honoring Earl 34
11-20-2013, 03:14 PM
yeah but Brett Favre says "Completions are way more awesome than you force them through triple coverage"

Or at least that guy pretending to be Brett Favre says that. Is a guy pretending to be Brett Favre actually a better QB than we've ever had here in Houston with the Texans?

Maybe. I'd listen to him. He looks a lot like a future Hall of Famer.

Favre has the kinda gun to wait until the last second and fire it in there . Schaub is more of a poor man's Dan Fouts where he tries to anticipate the guy coming open and has to throw it early so it will get there in time . That's what is so funny because he threw it where he thought Andre should be . AJ saw that there was a long line waiting for the ball and curled in .

Double Barrel
11-20-2013, 03:18 PM
yeah but Brett Favre says "Completions are way more awesome than you force them through triple coverage"

lol! Yeah, perhaps there is a reason why Favre holds the NFL all-time interception record, too. ;)

Of course, Favre had something to overcome those bad decisions. The clutch factor and the ability to extend plays, those intangibles that cannot be taught and we are seeing in Keenum.

EVOLVIST
11-20-2013, 04:34 PM
Well, without exercising my brain too much, there were the first two games of this year when he brought the team back from large deficits late in the game.

http://69.65.38.239/phpBB3/images/smilies/p_jerkit.gif But only AFTER Schaub put us in the hole to begin with!

First offensive play of the year, Gary called his new play, the "Pick 6," but Matt flubbed it. Oh, but it was still a pick and San Diego scored one play later.

Titans game - To Schaub's credit he was able to execute Gary's newest play to perfection this time. To Gary's credit he knew Schaub had to get warmed up first, so Gary waited until the 4th quarter to call it. These aren't like the Washington game, at all.

These games are like somebody totaling my car, and then I'm like, "Oh well, at least the battery is still good."

Sigma
11-20-2013, 07:24 PM
They are all big games in the NFL.

September 19th, 2010 is the only one I can think of off hand. Matt really came through on that one.

That beautiful highlight reel pass to AJ for the tie with 2:11 to go in the 4th. We won in OT. Matt Schaub QBR of 114. 497 yards passing. 3TDs and a pick.

Come to think of it, that's pretty sh!tty when I can only think of 1.

There's gotta be more, right? :thinking:

that is the first game I've seen of the texans, that game made me a fan :)

KA4Texan
11-21-2013, 01:11 AM
Good lord, I have been reading comments on different sites about this situation, and there a quite a few people calling AJ a "spoiled brat", "quitter", "sore loser" etc.

People like this really piss me off. They are obviously bandwagon fans and have no idea what the fvck they are talking about.

Just had to get that off my chest. :)

MSR, but I agree with you.

I can honestly say the LAST thing I would have EVER said seeing AJ walk off the field like that is "what a baby".

I said a few words I couldn't say on TV along with, "Good job Kubiak, you not only wasted this teams time. You also managed to make one of the most dedicated of Texans, rethink his dedication."

I think that should have been the last straw and an instant firing taking place of Kubiak. The season is a wash.... there is no reason to lose one of the greatest players this team has ever seen in the process.

Big Lou
10-22-2014, 11:54 PM
I remember being pissed at AJ during training camp. Now I just feel bad for him. I owe him an apology, he was right, the QB situation wasn't addressed (not that there were options, other than rookies, not sure any were the answer) and the team is in shambles. Who knows maybe they pull it together and start to look like a pro team before week 17. However looks a lot like last season......

I disagree with those that say this team doesn't have enough talent to be decent, but it's hard to tell at this point. I wonder if AJ fell for the 3 and 1 start or if he saw the season for what it is.

Double Barrel
10-23-2014, 11:01 AM
I remember being pissed at AJ during training camp. Now I just feel bad for him. I owe him an apology, he was right, the QB situation wasn't addressed (not that there were options, other than rookies, not sure any were the answer) and the team is in shambles. Who knows maybe they pull it together and start to look like a pro team before week 17. However looks a lot like last season......

I disagree with those that say this team doesn't have enough talent to be decent, but it's hard to tell at this point. I wonder if AJ fell for the 3 and 1 start or if he saw the season for what it is.

AJ is our Barry Sanders. Hall of Fame talent stuck on a perpetually mediocre team (except for the two playoff years, where they were an above average team ;)).

At least Barry made it to an NFC Championship Game...

playa465
10-23-2014, 11:47 AM
Andre Johnson rides to Ryan Fitzpatrick’s defense

Link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/23/andre-johnson-rides-to-ryan-fitzpatricks-defense/)

When Texans receiver Andre Johnson was staying away this offseason, amid reports he was disturbed about the team’s rebuilding phase, it was natural to assume he wasn’t happy with the quarterback, or lack thereof.

But even as coach Bill O’Brien said Ryan Fitzpatrick made some bad reads and missed Johnson for some big gains recently, the veteran receiver came to the defense of the journeyman quarterback.

“When you don’t win, everybody needs to look at themselves and see what they can do better,” Johnson said, via Dale Robertson of the Houston Chronicle. “We all need to pick our play up, fix the mistakes we’re making and do what we need to do to win. You can’t dwell on one person or one guy. Head coaches and quarterbacks are going to get the bulk of the criticism because of the positions they’re in.”

Johnson said if anything, “better communication” would fix the problems between himself and his quarterback.

“He has a tough job, a lot to think about on every play,” Johnson said. “You just have to communicate with him, let him know what you’re seeing, stuff like that. Everybody makes mistakes. I make mistakes. Nobody’s perfect.”

Of course, if Johnson really wanted more open lines of communication with Fitzpatrick, he had an offseason full of chances to build them, but he declined.

infantrycak
10-23-2014, 11:50 AM
That was a defense?

santo
10-23-2014, 11:50 AM
Andre Johnson rides to Ryan Fitzpatrick’s defense

Link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/23/andre-johnson-rides-to-ryan-fitzpatricks-defense/)

Andre Johnson has always been a class act, which is why he should be inducted into the Hall of Fame, because he will never say anything bad about his qb's, no matter how poorly they're playing.

Playoffs
10-23-2014, 12:28 PM
“My job is to get the ball to our play-makers and I didn’t get it to Andre nearly enough early,” Texans starting quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick said. “It’s just one of those deals, I’ve got to continue as I progress to continue to get better, continue to throw the ball to the right guy and making sure everybody is on the same page.”
http://www.csnhouston.com/football-houston-texans/talk/fitzpatrick-knows-he-needs-get-andre-ball

infantrycak
10-23-2014, 12:31 PM
http://www.csnhouston.com/football-houston-texans/talk/fitzpatrick-knows-he-needs-get-andre-ball

No, no, no. Entirely the wrong attitude. What he needs to do is see all his receivers. Look at how streaky he is. One game it's like he only sees Hopkins. The next it's like he only sees AJ. (And doesn't see the TEs in either).

It's fine to throw jump balls to either and let them make plays. Don't force it to either though.

Bulls on Parade
10-23-2014, 12:40 PM
Those crazy trade rumors circulated by ESPN earlier about the Texans being interested in trading Andre Johnson, Tom Savage and their 2015 first-round pick to the Patriots for Tom Brady. As if the Patriots would ever entertain such an offer. If the Texans offered another early pick on top of that (second or third), perhaps Bill Belichick would be open ears considering he's very high on Jimmy Garoppolo. The problem is do we need another Joe Montana to the Chiefs type of story in the NFL? Would an aging Tom Brady win us a Lombardi or two, hypothetically speaking (for the Texans) before he retires? This is like those Peyton Manning to Houston, I don't want to say rumors, as Peyton genuinely had interest in coming to the Texans, - possibilities let's call it- when he was a free agent. If we were eager to chase a ring we'd have done so back then.

It made me wonder though, what about Jay Cutler from the Bears? Seems like the Chicago fan base wants him out of town. Their front office would be wise to at least listen to some trade offers. Would he be an easier fetch in a trade? How would the salaries work? With the trading deadline nearing is there any trade at all that makes sense for the Texans? Without having to give up Andre Johnson of course. I know the Tom Brady to Houston rumors are so far fetched but what about a lesser caliber quarterback like Jay Cutler? I mean granted he is getting paid a superstar contract.