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Mr. Texan
11-10-2013, 08:49 PM
https://twitter.com/ChronBrianSmith/status/399705403799248896

Ed Reed said #Texans were at time outplayed, outcoached.

https://twitter.com/ChronBrianSmith/status/399705623123607552

Ed Reed said at times Texans were fatigued. Needed to make changes.

https://twitter.com/ChronBrianSmith/status/399707600016531456

Ed Reed said there are things he wants to say but can't. Has to keep things in house. #Texans

:kitten:

Trap_Star
11-10-2013, 08:49 PM
ed reed shouldn't be calling anyone out.

amazing80
11-10-2013, 08:51 PM
ed reed shouldn't be calling anyone out.

maybe he should and they all get fired

SchaubApologist
11-10-2013, 08:51 PM
thanks coach reed, you were out coached & played... double whammy for you!!

good to see you on special teams though. oh how the mighty have fallen..

Trap_Star
11-10-2013, 08:54 PM
maybe he should and they all get fired

he should just stick to his initial plan he set in place when deciding to sign here....cruise along and collect an easy $6M for the year.

Bulls on Parade
11-10-2013, 08:57 PM
ed reed shouldn't be calling anyone out.
Ed Reed is probably calling out the coaching staff because he's thinking about possibly becoming our next defensive backs coach? Time to be moving on to a new job soon because he's washed up and done as a player.

Hervoyel
11-10-2013, 08:58 PM
ed reed shouldn't be calling anyone out.

That's a fact. I'm going to go ahead and say what I think a lot of people are thinking about now. Bringing Ed Reed to Houston put a kind of cancer in our locker room. He speaks with the authority of a respected veteran but he's not a member of this team. He's a hired gun and a hired gun shooting blanks on top of everything. The entire locker room saw Glover Quinn go out the door like so many other players we've not made any effort to keep or outright let go due to money and then they watched us spend money on this old crack dealer hobo son of a *****. That he does nothing to earn, reveals that he held back vital information about his health, goes and has surgery and finally doesn't even get on a practice field until camp is almost over.

He's literally stepped into this locker room and played the team that pays him for a fool. He's been rewarded for a reputation he didn't even earn here while we send players we drafted out the door because we can't or won't pay them what they'll be worth on the open market.

I think he's divisive and his presence is an enormous distraction for this team. I think the coaching staff has made decisions based on the assumption that he'd be a contributor and that hasn't happened. That's put the team in a precarious position. He needs to be sent packing.

When we cut all those bottom of the roster guys we should have send Ed home too. I've seen the Texans pick up better safeties than we have right now off the street over the years. I've definitely seen them get better play than they get from Ed Reed out of street free agents.

Seegara
11-10-2013, 09:05 PM
maybe he should and they all get fired
Maybe he should say, "It's Kubes or me!"

houstonspartan
11-10-2013, 09:07 PM
That's a fact. I'm going to go ahead and say what I think a lot of people are thinking about now. Bringing Ed Reed to Houston put a kind of cancer in our locker room. He speaks with the authority of a respected veteran but he's not a member of this team. He's a hired gun and a hired gun shooting blanks on top of everything. The entire locker room saw Glover Quinn go out the door like so many other players we've not made any effort to keep or outright let go due to money and then they watched us spend money on this old crack dealer hobo son of a *****. That he does nothing to earn, reveals that he held back vital information about his health, goes and has surgery and finally doesn't even get on a practice field until camp is almost over.

He's literally stepped into this locker room and played the team that pays him for a fool. He's been rewarded for a reputation he didn't even earn here while we send players we drafted out the door because we can't or won't pay them what they'll be worth on the open market.

I think he's divisive and his presence is an enormous distraction for this team. I think the coaching staff has made decisions based on the assumption that he'd be a contributor and that hasn't happened. That's put the team in a precarious position. He needs to be sent packing.

When we cut all those bottom of the roster guys we should have send Ed home too. I've seen the Texans pick up better safeties than we have right now off the street over the years. I've definitely seen them get better play than they get from Ed Reed out of street free agents.

Herv,

While I disagree that he's a "cancer," and I think comparing him to a crack dealer is unfair, I do think that this franchise, and this fanbase, went overboard when we were going after Reed. I remember telling a buddy of mine: "I think Reed is old, and we are overdoing this whole thing."

Reed used us for leverage. And we went overboard: the media coverage, Rick Smith flying the jet to pick him up, etc.

The truth is, Baltimore let him go for a reason.

dtran04
11-10-2013, 09:08 PM
Well.......he's right.

While he's definitely not the solution, he knows what a good defense is supposed to look like.

eriadoc
11-10-2013, 09:08 PM
That's a fact. I'm going to go ahead and say what I think a lot of people are thinking about now. Bringing Ed Reed to Houston put a kind of cancer in our locker room. He speaks with the authority of a respected veteran but he's not a member of this team. He's a hired gun and a hired gun shooting blanks on top of everything. The entire locker room saw Glover Quinn go out the door like so many other players we've not made any effort to keep or outright let go due to money and then they watched us spend money on this old crack dealer hobo son of a *****. That he does nothing to earn, reveals that he held back vital information about his health, goes and has surgery and finally doesn't even get on a practice field until camp is almost over.

He's literally stepped into this locker room and played the team that pays him for a fool. He's been rewarded for a reputation he didn't even earn here while we send players we drafted out the door because we can't or won't pay them what they'll be worth on the open market.

I think he's divisive and his presence is an enormous distraction for this team. I think the coaching staff has made decisions based on the assumption that he'd be a contributor and that hasn't happened. That's put the team in a precarious position. He needs to be sent packing.

When we cut all those bottom of the roster guys we should have send Ed home too. I've seen the Texans pick up better safeties than we have right now off the street over the years. I've definitely seen them get better play than they get from Ed Reed out of street free agents.

Tried to rep this.

The Texans have been outplayed every time Ed Reed has been on the field, and out coached every time the Texans coaches have chosen to put Ed Reed on the field. Or sign Ed Reed.

Bulls on Parade
11-10-2013, 09:09 PM
Well.......he's right.

While he's definitely not the solution, he knows what a good defense is supposed to look like.
Ed Reed is going to earn his money for the Houston Texans one day. Unfortunately, it's going to be as part of the coaching staff and not as a player.

thunderkyss
11-10-2013, 09:10 PM
The 29th ranked offense (23rd in scoring) scored 20 points on the #1 defense in the league.

I think it's an inside job.

Naija Texan
11-10-2013, 09:10 PM
ed reed shouldn't be calling anyone out.

While Reed hasn't exactly been a play maker in this defense, he has experience and he isn't saying anyone that hasn't watched this team all season by now should suspect or already know to be true.

We lose in the second half not just because of random circumstances (although that does play a part) but because our coaching staff seems to think no one will adjust to their initial offensive plans and when things go off schedule or rhythm they collapse.

Defensively, the team is better but at the same time, we demote Ed Reed and Brice McCain who has done less in this season is still our #3 CB and was given the nod to cover the likes of Larry Fitzgerald when he hasn't been able to cover most everyone he went up against this season. We don't rotate our OLBs when we see Brooks Reed and lately Whitney Mercilus miss, fail to arrive on time or just be out of position for plays multiple times EVERY game.

And credit to Brooks Reed for his hustle but if most of his tackles are happening yards beyond the line of scrimmage or QB hits/hurries after completed passes then he isn't doing his job despite getting all these nice stats and effort plays.

Mr. Texan
11-10-2013, 09:12 PM
https://twitter.com/ChronBrianSmith/status/399719966586327041

#Texans' J.J. Watt offered no comment when asked about Ed Reed's statement Texans were outplayed, outcoached. #NFL

:kitten:

texanhead08
11-10-2013, 09:25 PM
Thanks Capt Obvious, but when you lose its pretty safe to say you were outplayed and outcoached. Thats why they keep score.

Vinny
11-10-2013, 09:33 PM
Thanks Capt Obvious, but when you lose its pretty safe to say you were outplayed and outcoached. Thats why they keep score.Don't forget (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2136653&postcount=682) outFrontOfficed (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2183691&postcount=61).

Brisco_County
11-10-2013, 09:35 PM
Reed has the perspective of how a championship team is managed. Anyone who's truly interested in their team improving shouldn't instinctively dismiss criticism.

Uncle Rico
11-10-2013, 09:37 PM
I haven't seen Reed get burned for a touchdown this season. I guess everyone expected 10 ints.

Reed is a champion, and I'm embarrassed for him to have to end his career on this joke of a team.

cstyle42
11-10-2013, 09:37 PM
ed reed shouldn't be calling anyone out.

He won a superbowl on the field so he knows what it takes can't take that away just because he's past his prime.

houstonhurricane
11-10-2013, 09:40 PM
Reed has the perspective of how a championship team is managed. Anyone who's truly interested in their team improving shouldn't instinctively dismiss criticism.

This.

TexansFight
11-10-2013, 09:45 PM
That's a fact. I'm going to go ahead and say what I think a lot of people are thinking about now. Bringing Ed Reed to Houston put a kind of cancer in our locker room. He speaks with the authority of a respected veteran but he's not a member of this team. He's a hired gun and a hired gun shooting blanks on top of everything. The entire locker room saw Glover Quinn go out the door like so many other players we've not made any effort to keep or outright let go due to money and then they watched us spend money on this old crack dealer hobo son of a *****. That he does nothing to earn, reveals that he held back vital information about his health, goes and has surgery and finally doesn't even get on a practice field until camp is almost over.

He's literally stepped into this locker room and played the team that pays him for a fool. He's been rewarded for a reputation he didn't even earn here while we send players we drafted out the door because we can't or won't pay them what they'll be worth on the open market.

I think he's divisive and his presence is an enormous distraction for this team. I think the coaching staff has made decisions based on the assumption that he'd be a contributor and that hasn't happened. That's put the team in a precarious position. He needs to be sent packing.

When we cut all those bottom of the roster guys we should have send Ed home too. I've seen the Texans pick up better safeties than we have right now off the street over the years. I've definitely seen them get better play than they get from Ed Reed out of street free agents.

I am doing a slow clap after reading your post. I couldn't agree more. Cut his ass immediately. I watched the Lions-Bears game on Sunday Ticket and Glove Quinn as making plays all game.

Carr Bombed
11-10-2013, 09:56 PM
https://twitter.com/ChronBrianSmith/status/399705403799248896

Ed Reed said #Texans were at time outplayed, outcoached.

https://twitter.com/ChronBrianSmith/status/399705623123607552

Ed Reed said at times Texans were fatigued. Needed to make changes.

https://twitter.com/ChronBrianSmith/status/399707600016531456

Ed Reed said there are things he wants to say but can't. Has to keep things in house. #Texans

:kitten:

I'm sorry.. I clicked on this thread hoping to blast the guy, but I couldn't.. everything he said was 100% correct.. Texan fans need to remove "Ed Reed said" from the equation and read exactly what was said.. he hit the nail on the head.

Playoffs
11-10-2013, 10:07 PM
ed reed shouldn't be calling anyone out.

We're paying him all that money... I'd like to get something more for it than his showing guys how to work like professionals.

Texecutioner
11-10-2013, 10:16 PM
I say Kudos to Ed Reed for at least saying what I wish a lot of players would have said many years ago during the failed seasons. Ed Reed is just speaking the truth and stating what is happening. Sure, he may be part of the problem but he is acknowledging that at least and calling out what are a lot of the main sources of the general problem. I hope that Reed and other players finally do speak out and call this sham what it is.

Kaiser Toro
11-10-2013, 10:25 PM
What Reed said is what many here have been commenting upon. However, we also know that Reed is unable to change the issues on the field or in the locker room.

His comments today do more harm than good, given the lack of substance. I would not be surprised if the FO source and Ed Reed are one in the same or in cahoots.

Rick Smith needs to go.

Mr. Texan
11-10-2013, 10:25 PM
https://twitter.com/TwentyER/status/399722977014476801

Speak the truth no matter what, in hope that it helps someone along the way!

https://twitter.com/TwentyER/status/399728268238016512

I realized bc u play fantasy football and yeah you love your team doesn't make you a coach or a great player! People it's more2 what u see!

https://twitter.com/TwentyER/status/399729272572903425

There's schemes,assignment,it's called situational football!I'm a true professional 4 awhile now have some respect here4 your entertainment

:kitten:

SW H-TOWN
11-10-2013, 10:39 PM
thanks coach reed, you were out coached & played... double whammy for you!!

good to see you on special teams though. oh how the mighty have fallen..

Not really Ed's fault that we threw money at yet another over the hill free agent. At least we can use his 2014 and 2015 money once we cut him, Schaub, and possibly a couple of other guys to resign Watt, probably Jackson...ect.

GuerillaBlack
11-10-2013, 10:55 PM
I'm sorry.. I clicked on this thread hoping to blast the guy, but I couldn't.. everything he said was 100% correct.. Texan fans need to remove "Ed Reed said" from the equation and read exactly what was said.. he hit the nail on the head.

What Reed said is exactly what had been leaked earlier about the Texans coaching staff and playing players too long, etc.

Norg
11-10-2013, 11:24 PM
it seems like we get "OUT" everything LOL

o boy this season is going realllyyyy bad if we don't start winning LOL

Vinny
11-10-2013, 11:25 PM
it seems like we get "OUT" everything LOL

o boy this season is going realllyyyy bad if we don't start winning LOL
too late. It's officially "reallyyyy bad".

Dutchrudder
11-10-2013, 11:35 PM
Its hard to fault someone for telling the truth. Now if we could get some offensive players to do the same, maybe we could get a new coaching staff next year. We really need Bob to realize that things aren't hunky dory on Kirby...

TexanBacker93
11-10-2013, 11:43 PM
Tried to rep this.

The Texans have been outplayed every time Ed Reed has been on the field, and out coached every time the Texans coaches have chosen to put Ed Reed on the field. Or sign Ed Reed.

Texans record this season without Ed Reed suiting up - 2-0
Texans record this season with Ed Reed in the lineup - 0-7.


Yeah, maybe there is a correlation.

Trap_Star
11-10-2013, 11:45 PM
He won a superbowl on the field so he knows what it takes can't take that away just because he's past his prime.

That's all fine and well, but let's not pretend like Ed Reed really has this team's best interest in mind. Aside from being an absolute bust of a signing, where were these comments 2, 3, 4, 5 losses ago when what was really needed to be said went unsaid? Why now after any hope was already gone? Why now after the game he was officially removed as a starter?

Ed Reed will be gone after this year $6M richer and he won't even give a damn what happens to the Houston Texans going forward.

Big Lou
11-10-2013, 11:54 PM
Reed may be right, but he should STFU and focus his efforts on getting to a point where he is at least worth League Minimum. Of course when you've played in the NFL for 47 years like Ed has his $6 mil probably is vet min.

chicagotexan2
11-11-2013, 12:17 AM
He still sees himself as a big bad hurricane. But now he's nothing more than a washed up player that needs to use the hurrycane walker. I don't give a schit what he did before for another team. He hasn't done squat here and therefore needs to shut his yapper until he does something other than miss tackles or get burned.


https://www.hurrycane.com/?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

BigBull
11-11-2013, 12:35 AM
The 29th ranked offense (23rd in scoring) scored 20 points on the #1 defense in the league.

I think it's an inside job.

Stop with the madness #1 in yds given up, but horrible in every other category. :headhurts:

CorpusTexan
11-11-2013, 12:39 AM
I don't get it.. He's actually calling out what's wrong with this team and you guys are bashing him for it? Does he have no credibility as to what a championship organization should be? You guys need to get off your " high horses " and get back to reality. Sure he's not the Reed that he used to be but he knows the game. Our coaching sucks and he's making it public.. Why hate on the truth? Does the truth hurt that much?

ArlingtonTexan
11-11-2013, 12:44 AM
That's a fact. I'm going to go ahead and say what I think a lot of people are thinking about now. Bringing Ed Reed to Houston put a kind of cancer in our locker room. He speaks with the authority of a respected veteran but he's not a member of this team. He's a hired gun and a hired gun shooting blanks on top of everything. The entire locker room saw Glover Quinn go out the door like so many other players we've not made any effort to keep or outright let go due to money and then they watched us spend money on this old crack dealer hobo son of a *****. That he does nothing to earn, reveals that he held back vital information about his health, goes and has surgery and finally doesn't even get on a practice field until camp is almost over.

He's literally stepped into this locker room and played the team that pays him for a fool. He's been rewarded for a reputation he didn't even earn here while we send players we drafted out the door because we can't or won't pay them what they'll be worth on the open market.

I think he's divisive and his presence is an enormous distraction for this team. I think the coaching staff has made decisions based on the assumption that he'd be a contributor and that hasn't happened. That's put the team in a precarious position. He needs to be sent packing.

When we cut all those bottom of the roster guys we should have send Ed home too. I've seen the Texans pick up better safeties than we have right now off the street over the years. I've definitely seen them get better play than they get from Ed Reed out of street free agents.

Reed has the perspective of how a championship team is managed. Anyone who's truly interested in their team improving shouldn't instinctively dismiss criticism.

Actually, I think to a large extent both of these are true. Ed reed knows what a well run organization looks like, but he himself has been miscast as a true leader. also, it hard to lead guys who know that you while great at advice really can't play any differently than Eddie Pleasant.


I always feel that veteran 'leadership' mostly comes from players already within an organization. In free agency, an organization has to buy tangible production. "leadership" is an intangible because like the definition says the value is not known.

chicagotexan2
11-11-2013, 12:47 AM
I don't get it.. He's actually calling out what's wrong with this team and you guys are bashing him for it? Does he have no credibility as to what a championship organization should be? You guys need to get off your " high horses " and get back to reality. Sure he's not the Reed that he used to be but he knows the game. Our coaching sucks and he's making it public.. Why hate on the truth? Does the truth hurt that much?

Even from my high horse I can see that the coaching staff sucks too but I can also see that he clearly sucks too. He forgot to mention his lack of contributions. I'm just pointing out that his sorry ass is also part of the problem.

houstonspartan
11-11-2013, 12:54 AM
Actually, I think to a large extent both of these are true. Ed reed knows what a well run organization looks like, but he himself has been miscast as a true leader. also, it hard to lead guys who know that you while great at advice really can't play any differently than Eddie Pleasant.


I always feel that veteran 'leadership' mostly comes from players already within an organization. In free agency, an organization has to buy tangible production. "leadership" is an intangible because like the definition says the value is not known.

Wow. Well said and I agree 1000000 percent.

dalemurphy
11-11-2013, 12:57 AM
I say Kudos to Ed Reed for at least saying what I wish a lot of players would have said many years ago during the failed seasons. Ed Reed is just speaking the truth and stating what is happening. Sure, he may be part of the problem but he is acknowledging that at least and calling out what are a lot of the main sources of the general problem. I hope that Reed and other players finally do speak out and call this sham what it is.

Unfortunately, reed has not put in the time and played for this team at a level where he can be a strong, vocal leader. The texans took the risk on him because they know they need the kind of veteran leadership that he can offer. They also knew this kind of stuff would happen if the season went poorly... Or they should have known it... People know ed reed.. That he will speak his mind and that he does not handle losing well.

By the way, he is right to be frustrated... When a defense that has JJ watt and a team full of early round draft picks and high priced free agents gets shredded by an over the hill Carson Palmer and mendenhall, clearly the coaches got whipped bad. I saw it. They manipulated our defense all day... Knew what to expect and what they could exploit. Not pretty... And don't get me started on special teams and the inability of the offense to adjust to safeties and linebackers blitzing the a gap every freak play... How about a max protection pass play with a post corner or sluggo... Something! Or, God forbid we run a middle screen once in the game, other than on 3rd and 20- which every NFL defense knows is our tendency...

Well, we have dodged one bullet- wade won't replace Kubiak if he resigns or is asked to resign at the end of the year. Marciano will be gone to. This nightmare of a season has shined a spotlight on some things that will have to be addressed.

silvrhand
11-11-2013, 12:58 AM
Hmm.. All i see is a twitter post by someone who said Reed said something that we all knew after the game.

- we got outcoached again, this has historically been a problem in houston we have all seen.
- we looked tired, yah half our team is a walking injury.. shocker.
- there are things he would like to say but keeping it in house..

Not a real shocker either. Everyone can say what they want but we have all already seen what Ed is talking about, so this should be no real shocker to anyone on this board. You may be unhappy with Ed Reed's play but hey maybe at least we'll get some real coaches.

MEGA SWATT
11-11-2013, 01:55 AM
Even from my high horse I can see that the coaching staff sucks too but I can also see that he clearly sucks too. He forgot to mention his lack of contributions. I'm just pointing out that his sorry ass is also part of the problem.

That does not discredit his comments:smiliepalm:

RunningTheSouth
11-11-2013, 02:59 AM
Reed sucks, he'll be gone after this season.

HouTx11
11-11-2013, 05:09 AM
I wonder where the Texans would be right now if they had resigned Quin.

amazing80
11-11-2013, 06:57 AM
the fact so many of you are hung up on quin shows the lack of knowledge for the salary cap and how it works especially long term......give it a rest already


reed said what watt and 80 should be saying.....its time for our players to speak up and send a message to our fo. theyve been playing ball all their lives, most come from winning backgrounds, they know when the coaches are failing the team by not adjusting and not being smart with the lineup.....bash reed all you want for his play here, but his words are 100% truth

cstyle42
11-11-2013, 07:33 AM
Reed sucks, he'll be gone after this season.

Ed Reed won't go down in history as sucking but for far the Houston Texans will and that's the reality here. Stupid idiots he's old I don't know why most people cannot take this understanding to mind he is waaay past his prime... look at the management on that not Ed Reed. Unfortunately Ed Reed isn't the docile type communicater Andre Johnson is he tells the absolute truth when it comes to team play and coaching.

cstyle42
11-11-2013, 07:34 AM
the fact so many of you are hung up on quin shows the lack of knowledge for the salary cap and how it works especially long term......give it a rest already


reed said what watt and 80 should be saying.....its time for our players to speak up and send a message to our fo. theyve been playing ball all their lives, most come from winning backgrounds, they know when the coaches are failing the team by not adjusting and not being smart with the lineup.....bash reed all you want for his play here, but his words are 100% truth

Thank you!

ArlingtonTexan
11-11-2013, 08:23 AM
the fact so many of you are hung up on quin shows the lack of knowledge for the salary cap and how it works especially long term......give it a rest already


reed said what watt and 80 should be saying.....its time for our players to speak up and send a message to our fo. theyve been playing ball all their lives, most come from winning backgrounds, they know when the coaches are failing the team by not adjusting and not being smart with the lineup.....bash reed all you want for his play here, but his words are 100% truth

The Quin focus is proper. The Texans made the choice to not sign a player entering into his peek years of tangible production for an injured guy for 'intangibles." quin's contract with Detroit was not so big that could not fit into this salary cap both short and long term.

Interestly, enough Quin was the one player on the squad who looked (from the outside of course) he was starting to develop into a team leader.

amazing80
11-11-2013, 08:28 AM
The Quin focus is proper. The Texans made the choice to not sign a player entering into his peek years of tangible production for an injured guy for 'intangibles." quin's contract with Detroit was not so big that could not fit into this salary cap both short and long term.

Interestly, enough Quin was the one player on the squad who looked (from the outside of course) he was starting to develop into a team leader.

imo dj replaced quin. not reed. quin is an in the box safety who tackles well. not a rangy guy who covers good, thats what we lack and i think they were hoping reed was that guy or at the least could teach someone here to be more rangy like he used to be, did it fail? yes, but lets not make quin to be better than he is.....an AVERAGE safety

this brings me to a list of needs with play making safety near the top

s
cb
ilb
olb
rt
nt

good luck filling all those lol

Trail.Blazr
11-11-2013, 08:33 AM
imo dj replaced quin. not reed. quin is an in the box safety who tackles well. not a rangy guy who covers good, thats what we lack and i think they were hoping reed was that guy or at the least could teach someone here to be more rangy like he used to be, did it fail? yes, but lets not make quin to be better than he is.....an AVERAGE safety

this brings me to a list of needs with play making safety near the top

s
cb
ilb
olb
rt
nt

good luck filling all those lol



That list looks perfect!

Sincerely,

Randy Bullock

amazing80
11-11-2013, 08:40 AM
That list looks perfect!

Sincerely,

Randy Bullock

im just assuming he doesnt make it through the year

ArlingtonTexan
11-11-2013, 08:45 AM
imo dj replaced quin. not reed. quin is an in the box safety who tackles well. not a rangy guy who covers good, thats what we lack and i think they were hoping reed was that guy or at the least could teach someone here to be more rangy like he used to be, did it fail? yes, but lets not make quin to be better than he is.....an AVERAGE safety

this brings me to a list of needs with play making safety near the top

s
cb
ilb
olb
rt
nt

good luck filling all those lol

I think Quin is little (not a lot better than average), but not all-pro. At the end of day, the Texans took a player who is between average and good,non-great and used two roster spots along with a high draft and large short-term money to replace Quin and for now have less production than he would have provided (both tangible and intangible).

amazing80
11-11-2013, 08:52 AM
I think Quin is little (not a lot better than average), but not all-pro. At the end of day, the Texans took a player who is between average and good,non-great and used two roster spots along with a high draft and large short-term money to replace Quin and for now have less production than he would have provided (both tangible and intangible).

but dj has way more upside and is cheaper.....you cant keep everyone and 23 million for a glorified run stopper at safety just isnt smart business.....reed is over paid but will be cut this off-season and we will move on....it was worth the GAMBLE on him....

Thorn
11-11-2013, 08:53 AM
Just because Ed Reed has a ring doesn't mean his opinion is worth anything. Kubiak has a couple of rings, and where has he gotten us? Ed Reed and Kubiak can both kiss my ass.

IDEXAN
11-11-2013, 08:56 AM
If Reed was a guy with a conscious he'd give his salary he's getting from the
Texans this year, or atleast a sizable part of it, to the Houston Food bank.
And then he needs to shut and quietly go home to Baltimore immediately after the conclusion of this season.

djohn2oo8
11-11-2013, 09:03 AM
Why is everyone pissed off at Reed? He didn't sign himself. And he's doing us all a favor in speaking out against the incompetence of this staff. Now its on Bob to do something.

Grams
11-11-2013, 09:07 AM
Ed Reed did nothing but say what most of us have been saying for years.

He just said it to reporters.

ArlingtonTexan
11-11-2013, 09:15 AM
but dj has way more upside and is cheaper.....you cant keep everyone and 23 million for a glorified run stopper at safety just isnt smart business.....reed is over paid but will be cut this off-season and we will move on....it was worth the GAMBLE on him....

I agree with that on Swearinger, but better shopping could have gotten a cheaper veteran stop gap than the name brand Reed.

Unfortunately, we can go to several positions and have a similar discussion where the salary cap mandates not keeping a particular guy and then show where the Texans at best have replaced them with potential if not a pure downgrade. sigh...

Hervoyel
11-11-2013, 09:38 AM
Actually, I think to a large extent both of these are true. Ed reed knows what a well run organization looks like, but he himself has been miscast as a true leader. also, it hard to lead guys who know that you while great at advice really can't play any differently than Eddie Pleasant.


I always feel that veteran 'leadership' mostly comes from players already within an organization. In free agency, an organization has to buy tangible production. "leadership" is an intangible because like the definition says the value is not known.


Yes! Exactly! It's not something you can go out and buy at a bargain-bin closeout from a Super Bowl team. It's not something you can tack on to your own club by adding a player or two. When has a guy with "rings" ever come here for any club and made a positive difference in the chemistry and personality of the team just because he'd been successful somewhere else? Clemens and Pettitte maybe? A little bit? Every year when the playoffs would get here you would always see that news story where they talked to the guy who was brought in as a free agent or in trade and who had a ring from some other team. The Chronic talks to him like he holds some mysterious secret and is about to impart it on the rest of us but that's BS and we all know it. On THIS team Ed Reed is just another guy no matter how much the Texans want the other players to buy into this idea that he's some kind of Yoda who is going to fix everything.

We got this guy..... Ed Reed
He's the smartest man in the world!
He's gonna fix EVERYTHING!

Not so much.

When I called him "a kind of cancer" I think the words weren't well chosen. I didn't mean he was like one of those locker room cancers who brings in all kinds of baggage and who turns the locker room on itself. I really didn't. He's more of a fly in the soup or a turd in the punchbowl. His presence on this team upsets whatever it was that passed for team chemistry and he provides nothing in the way of play on the field to offset that. He doesn't play well and he doesn't speak with the authority that a veteran in this locker room who played his entire career here would have. He pulls down bank and plays less and poorer than a lot of our scrubs.

Sure he's saying things that are true. He's saying things that have been bouncing around this and every other Texans board for what is it? 5-6 years? Longer? It's not that anyone is dismissing it or that it isn't true. It's that he's not the guy who should be doing this. If Watt or AJ was saying this it would be significant and valid. Ed Reed saying it is like the guy robbing your house who points out that your kitchen sink is full of dishes on his way out the door.

bckey
11-11-2013, 10:38 AM
If Watt or AJ was saying this it would be significant and valid. Ed Reed saying it is like the guy robbing your house who points out that your kitchen sink is full of dishes on his way out the door.

Great point Herv. And funny too. Reed is a lone wolf on this team. He contributes nothing on the field and he basically stole from Bob McNair by concealing his injury for one last fat payday from a team that he has contributed absolutely nothing too. He is like that guy at work that goes out with "hurt at work" injuries and lives off short term disability. Then he turns around and complains about the company while you and your coworkers are the ones actually dealing with it everyday. To me he is lazy and disrespectful and a poor example of how to deal with adversity.

If he wanted to do the right thing then maybe instead of tweeting out all the Texans business (as obvious as it is) for the world to see he could of sat down with JJ Watt and Andre Johnson and discussed what he felt was wrong and see what the team leaders thought would be the best course of action to take to fix it.

cstyle42
11-11-2013, 10:44 AM
Great point Herv. And funny too. Reed is a lone wolf on this team. He contributes nothing on the field and he basically stole from Bob McNair by concealing his injury for one last fat payday from a team that he has contributed absolutely nothing too. He is like that guy at work that goes out with "hurt at work" injuries and lives off short term disability. Then he turns around and complains about the company while you and your coworkers are the ones actually dealing with it everyday. To me he is lazy and disrespectful and a poor example of how to deal with adversity.

If he wanted to do the right thing then maybe instead of tweeting out all the Texans business (as obvious as it is) for the world to see he could of sat down with JJ Watt and Andre Johnson and discussed what he felt was wrong and see what the team leaders thought would be the best course of action to take to fix it.

For the all the money Bob Mcnair has taken from Texans fans and shown us no success in playoffs... I have no problem with seeing Ed Reed take a little bit of Bob McNair's money and in turn show no success in his play on the field. Takes one to know one.

Playoffs
11-11-2013, 10:48 AM
Eventually, they’re going to figure out what you’re doing if you’re doing the same old things.”-- Ed Reed

The truth is the truth.

I'd convert Reed into a Defensive Assistant.

kingtexan
11-11-2013, 11:54 AM
Ed Reed has been on one of the consistently best defenses in the league and won it all. If he is looking around and doesn't like what he sees, I would listen. It should be apparent to everyone that we have huge issues in the coaching staff, the front office, and frankly the organization as a whole. There are tough decisions to be made, lets just hope we find someone who has the sack to make them.

chicagotexan2
11-11-2013, 11:55 AM
That does not discredit his comments:smiliepalm:

I see the point. I know my frustration about this comes mostly because my team is so hard to watch this season. He is 100% correct, but it irritates me that he makes those comments when he has done nothing on the field to help this team.

Double Barrel
11-11-2013, 12:03 PM
I'm now firmly in the camp of "no more used up washed out overpriced players ever!".

There are six million reasons why nobody should feel sorry for Ed Reed ending his career in Houston.

As far as Ed speaking out; Didn't the owner say the reason they were getting Reed was attitude and leadership? Well, I guess they are getting what they paid for, although probably not what they had in mind.

Just like the Astrodome - time to BLOW IT UP!!!

HOU-TEX
11-11-2013, 12:10 PM
I'm now firmly in the camp of "no more used up washed out overpriced players ever!".

There are six million reasons why nobody should feel sorry for Ed Reed ending his career in Houston.

As far as Ed speaking out; Didn't the owner say the reason they were getting Reed was attitude and leadership? Well, I guess they are getting what they paid for, although probably not what they had in mind.

Just like the Astrodome - time to BLOW IT UP!!!

BOOM!!!!!

I wish it to happen, but still think it'll be status quo for next season. We might see an asst coach or a few player personnel changes, but no major shake ups.

I'll continue to pray McNair gets pissed and cleans house

Big Lou
11-11-2013, 02:39 PM
To bad Ed doesn't have as many Passes Defended or Interceptions than he does opinions about the teams performance.

Surreal McCoy
11-11-2013, 02:59 PM
To bad Ed doesn't have as many Passes Defended or Interceptions than he does opinions about the teams performance.

Well, in fairness to Reed, he's right. No one is throwing at him. I mean the few passes that have been even remotely near were at least a good 5-6 yards away.

Exascor
11-11-2013, 03:06 PM
Well, in fairness to Reed, he's right. He's not close enough to make any plays. I mean the few passes that Reed has been even remotely near he was at least a good 5-6 yards away because he sucks now.fify

Corrosion
11-11-2013, 04:12 PM
Can we just cut Ed Reed today , and have his dead $$ on this years cap instead of next .... somehow ?!

dtran04
11-11-2013, 04:13 PM
This defense runs the same blitzes over and over to no avail. The middle linebackers come crashing into a wall of waiting offensive linemen. Offenses never have to worry about any exotic coverages or blitzes.

As an offense, it must be a cakewalk to gameplan the Texans. I'm waiting for a team to run nothing but quick screens. Think the Broncos will do it with their deadly tunnel screens.

badboy
11-11-2013, 04:20 PM
It isn't about what he said but who was saying it. Like the as whole complaining to the brain that the bowel movement is not happening. It isn't but shut up and do you part then complain.

Playoffs
11-11-2013, 04:23 PM
It isn't about what he said but who was saying it. Like the as whole complaining to the brain that the bowel movement is not happening. It isn't but shut up and do you part then complain.

http://i.qkme.me/3on33v.jpg

DX-TEX
11-11-2013, 04:26 PM
Love how everyone is ripping on Reed when he is 100% correct! At elast someone on this team is saying what everyone is seeing

badboy
11-11-2013, 04:30 PM
http://i.qkme.me/3on33v.jpgLOL, beer farts like Reed might feel good and make us nod and smile, neither accomplishes much for longer than a second and then we turn and deny it. :cheese:

Corrosion
11-11-2013, 04:33 PM
Love how everyone is ripping on Reed when he is 100% correct! At elast someone on this team is saying what everyone is seeing

I didn't rip him , just said I'd like to cut him now instead of later - He isn't helping this team post W's and will cost $1.333m against next seasons cap when cut.

What good is keeping him around doing ? While we are at it , can we dump Schaub too , gonna suck to have ~$10.5m in dead money from him.

Blake
11-11-2013, 04:46 PM
Reed is only saying what we are all thinking. Why are people blasting the guy who has the insight that we desperately want to hear about?

kingtexan
11-11-2013, 04:51 PM
Reed is only saying what we are all thinking. Why are people blasting the guy who has the insight that we desperately want to hear about?

Exactly. Reed may not be what he once was on the field, or he may be and this system is just ridiculously horrible and doesn't give players a chance to make a play. Is our secondary really as bad as it seems, or does the system rely too much on blitzes and when they don't get there we are picked apart?

Wolf
11-11-2013, 04:57 PM
I think our system is relying on JJ Watt to get there before 3 seconds

JamesBill
11-11-2013, 06:44 PM
I think our system is relying on JJ Watt to get there before 3 seconds

I think our system relies on OLBs and ours suck.

Thorn
11-11-2013, 06:46 PM
Whatever our system is relying on doesn't seem very reliable.

MasterCush
11-11-2013, 06:46 PM
For the last 2 years we were actually considered a good team. So, I can see how Ed Reed believed he could come here and make an impact with what we already had. Things could have easily went the other way instead of in the toilet. Yeah I'm sure he laughs as he cashes his checks, but wouldn't you do the same thing? 6 mil is 6 mil. If my hip was broke, I'd lie too given the circumstances.

As far as the coaching staff being non-existent.... no s%@# sherlock. Our head coach just had a stroke.

Texanmike02
11-11-2013, 07:16 PM
For the all the money Bob Mcnair has taken from Texans fans and shown us no success in playoffs... I have no problem with seeing Ed Reed take a little bit of Bob McNair's money and in turn show no success in his play on the field. Takes one to know one.

LMAO. McNair hasn't taken a dime from fans. He put his money up and fans attend games and buy merchandise. It is ridiculous to assert that McNair is scamming the fans and not out to win. If that were the case we wouldn't be up against the cap and we would be spending the league minimum. I'm as frustrated as anyone that it isn't working but I am not going to act like it is dishonest.

These last three years we have put what should have been a super bowl contending team on the field and it hasn't worked out. Not all is lost. This is still a talented roster and if the coaching staff, right side of the line, safety, and olb situation are worked out this team could win 12 games next year.

Cut Reed, draft an olb, a rt, a rt, a pass rushing olb and a ball hawk. Bring in a coach that instills discipline and fixes the accountability issue and this team is ready to rock and roll again first round needs to be BPA and then start drafting for need.

Reed is right. He needs to become a coach and retire.

Mike

Texanmike02
11-11-2013, 07:20 PM
imo dj replaced quin. not reed. quin is an in the box safety who tackles well. not a rangy guy who covers good, thats what we lack and i think they were hoping reed was that guy or at the least could teach someone here to be more rangy like he used to be, did it fail? yes, but lets not make quin to be better than he is.....an AVERAGE safety

this brings me to a list of needs with play making safety near the top

s
cb
ilb
olb
rt
nt

good luck filling all those lol

That isn't a very long list. With players returning you should be able to draft a few of them and fill the rest.

Mike

El Tejano
11-11-2013, 07:51 PM
That isn't a very long list. With players returning you should be able to draft a few of them and fill the rest.

Mike

I would also add WR and TE to that list. Not sure how much longer AJ is going to keep up his good play, and Owen Daniels is getting hurt too often. However, Case does deliver the ball where it supposed to be so maybe he'll add a few years to their careers.

WolverineFan
11-11-2013, 08:02 PM
I read this article earlier today and while I don't think Reed has any room to criticize anybody.........I don't disagree with a lot of the things he said. As fans, we've been talking about a lot of those issues for a while now. I'm actually kind of glad that someone in the organization has put it out there now.

WolverineFan
11-11-2013, 08:10 PM
I think our system relies on OLBs and ours suck.

The system is built to give Watt and Mercilus advantageous matchups. It's hardest on the ILB's and Brooks Reed. Reed is tasked with playing a 7' technique on the strong side (two-gapping the TE) which is tough duty. I'm not absolving him of his poor play, but he has one of the tougher tasks on the defense.

The ILB's have simple, but tough jobs as well. The D-Linemen shoot their desired gap on the snap and the ILB's have to read which gap the DL did not shoot and cover those gaps. That sounds simple because it is. But it's tough to do when you're trying to react to that while also reading what the offense is doing. A guy like Brian Cushing makes it look easy because his instincts and football IQ are top notch. A guy like Sharpton makes it look impossible because he has no instincts for the position. How many times have you seen Sharpton shoot a gap on playaction and leave someone open over the middle? It's because he struggles to multitask with his responsibilities. That is why Cushing is so important to this defense.

toronto
11-12-2013, 12:37 PM
Being reported he's been released. Guess the team felt the same about him.

HOU-TEX
11-12-2013, 12:41 PM
Being reported he's been released. Guess the team felt the same about him.

Good grief! Talk poop about the coaching staff...BOOM! You gone

Trap_Star
11-12-2013, 12:43 PM
lolololololololololol

Beat it.

disaacks3
11-12-2013, 12:44 PM
Good grief! Talk poop about the coaching staff...BOOM! You gone

Or play like garbage and THEN talk crap about the coaching staff...

Vinny
11-12-2013, 12:44 PM
It's not like they were releasing a guy who could still play.

Double Barrel
11-12-2013, 12:48 PM
What a gig.

Shows the difference in mentalities between the Ravens FO and the Texans FO. They sign dudes we ran out of town to makes big plays in the playoffs and Super Bowl. We sign their used up player who does absolutely nothing for us and cut mid-season.

Do the Harbaughs happen to have a third brother in coaching? :hmmm:

ChampionTexan
11-12-2013, 12:48 PM
Being reported he's been released. Guess the team felt the same about him.

And this cluster-duck of a season just continues to quack along.

Kaiser Toro
11-12-2013, 01:03 PM
I did not see Reed being here after the season, so why not? The outstanding question is - who made this decision: Smith, Kubiak or McNair?

My gut says McNair directed Smith.

Vinny
11-12-2013, 01:09 PM
I did not see Reed being here after the season, so why not? The outstanding question is - who made this decision: Smith, Kubiak or McNair?

My gut says McNair directed Smith.
flashback:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap2000000152685/Texans-owner-thinks-Ed-Reed-could-toughen-up-team

Honoring Earl 34
11-12-2013, 02:56 PM
What a gig.

Shows the difference in mentalities between the Ravens FO and the Texans FO. They sign dudes we ran out of town to makes big plays in the playoffs and Super Bowl. We sign their used up player who does absolutely nothing for us and cut mid-season.

Do the Harbaughs happen to have a third brother in coaching? :hmmm:

They have a brother in law who coaches hoops at Indiana . Is that close enough ?

thunderkyss
11-12-2013, 08:15 PM
imo dj replaced quin. not reed. quin is an in the box safety who tackles well. not a rangy guy who covers good, thats what we lack and i think they were hoping reed was that guy or at the least could teach someone here to be more rangy like he used to be, did it fail? yes, but lets not make quin to be better than he is.....an AVERAGE safety


There's a new breed of TEs in the league now. Big guys who can run..... stretch the field. Quin was a physical corner who lacked elite speed, but he had good cover skills. I predict we'll see more Jimmy Graham's & Gronks & the league will be looking for more guys like Quin.

Manning was pretty much in that same mold, but I don't think he was as physical with TEs off the line as Quin. Last year, Manning was our center fielder. When he made an impact on this team in 2011, he was playing the center field, Free Safety position. However, bringing Reed in to play FS we either had to cut Manning (what I would have done) & eat the dead money on his deal, or let Quin escape via free agency.

Letting Quin go was the easy thing to do.

& I really doubt anyone thought Ed Reed had the range he used to. It was the idea of him being back there that "insured" QBs will be looking for him, causing them to hesitate maybe that extra 'nth the pass rush needed to get home.

Dj is an in the box safety. I'm not seeing flashes that he'll develop similar to Quin or Manning, both came into the league as CBs.

IMO, we should be looking at the best CB/FS we can get in the draft if he's a corner, then we should roll Kj back to safety. If he's a safety, then he competes with Keo.

Or sign Kerry Rhodes & be done with it.

thunderkyss
11-12-2013, 08:16 PM
Ed Reed did nothing but say what most of us have been saying for years.

He just said it to reporters.

& that's the problem.

Texian
11-12-2013, 08:21 PM
How many folks here bashing Reed today were on the sign Reed bandwagon this summer. For the record I took the Ravens at their word when they said they would rather have a root canal than re-sign Ed Reed.

Thorn
11-12-2013, 08:24 PM
How many folks here bashing Reed today were on the sign Reed bandwagon this summer. For the record I took the Ravens at their word when they said they would rather have a root canal than re-sign Ed Reed.

What we think and predict will happen is almost never what happens, so it doesn't really matter. We cheer for the team, not necessarily the players. I hated the trade for Schaub when it happened years ago, then I grew to really like the guy a lot, now I'm back to crapping on him. So what? Frankly I don't even remember what I initially said about Reed, all I know is what I think of him after his play this season. Which was crap.

houstonspartan
11-12-2013, 08:29 PM
What we think and predict will happen is almost never what happens, so it doesn't really matter. We cheer for the team, not necessarily the players. I hated the trade for Schaub when it happened years ago, then I grew to really like the guy a lot, now I'm back to crapping on him. So what? Frankly I don't even remember what I initially said about Reed, all I know is what I think of him after his play this season. Which was crap.

Correct. It's normal to re-asses after seeing a person's body of work. I lived in Denver, loved Kubiak, and was excited by him coming here. Now, 8 years later, I can barely stand the sound of his voice.


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infantrycak
11-12-2013, 09:08 PM
How many folks here bashing Reed today were on the sign Reed bandwagon this summer. For the record I took the Ravens at their word when they said they would rather have a root canal than re-sign Ed Reed.

It was widely reported the Ravens attempted to re-sign Reed but ultimately declined to match the Texans' offer.

Link (http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-03-22/sports/bal-former-baltimore-ravens-safety-ed-reed-officially-signs-with-texans-20130322_1_steve-bisciotti-ravens-m-t-bank-stadium)

Link (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000152293/article/baltimore-ravens-pessimistic-about-ed-reeds-return)

Texian
11-12-2013, 09:24 PM
It was widely reported the Ravens attempted to re-sign Reed but ultimately declined to match the Texans' offer.

Link (http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-03-22/sports/bal-former-baltimore-ravens-safety-ed-reed-officially-signs-with-texans-20130322_1_steve-bisciotti-ravens-m-t-bank-stadium)

Link (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000152293/article/baltimore-ravens-pessimistic-about-ed-reeds-return)

"You can't always believe everything you read on the Internet"...Abraham Lincoln

I see your links and raise you a Good Riddance, Root Canal link: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/02/report-john-harbaugh-wanted-ed-reed-gone/

Wolf
11-12-2013, 09:28 PM
"You can't always believe everything you read on the Internet"...Abraham Lincoln

I see your links and raise you a Good Riddance, Root Canal link: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/02/report-john-harbaugh-wanted-ed-reed-gone/

Really you pick profootball talk. Over Baltimore sun and nfl.com :kubepalm:

DocBar
11-12-2013, 10:52 PM
Really you pick profootball talk. Over Baltimore sun and nfl.com :kubepalm:Whats wrong with PFT? It's more accurate than the Comical. Not to mention more timely.

Texian
11-13-2013, 12:02 AM
Really you pick profootball talk. Over Baltimore sun and nfl.com :kubepalm:

Did you click on the links in the PFT story? Really? :embarrass

Try again, http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/02/report-john-harbaugh-wanted-ed-reed-gone/

Texian
11-13-2013, 01:28 PM
Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 2m

Asked about Ed Reed, John Harbaugh says no plans to change secondary perrsonnel: http://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-asked-about-ed-reed-harbaugh-says-no-plans-to-change-secondary-personnel-20131113,0,1998395.story …

cstyle42
12-08-2013, 05:53 PM
Nice interception Ed.

handswarmer
12-09-2013, 03:29 PM
It was widely reported the Ravens attempted to re-sign Reed but ultimately declined to match the Texans' offer.

Link (http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-03-22/sports/bal-former-baltimore-ravens-safety-ed-reed-officially-signs-with-texans-20130322_1_steve-bisciotti-ravens-m-t-bank-stadium)

Link (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000152293/article/baltimore-ravens-pessimistic-about-ed-reeds-return)

I said as much back in March.