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djohn2oo8
11-03-2013, 08:46 PM
Why is he still on the team? Are they scared if they cut him he'll end up good?

jtexas
11-03-2013, 08:48 PM
Because it takes an injury for Kubiak to realize a guy sucks. His crap return skills are not enough

steds
11-03-2013, 08:50 PM
Because Rick Smith has a ****ing sick sense of humour.

Brandon420tx
11-03-2013, 09:04 PM
I think history has shown that it is not the return man. Its the Special teams coach

Rey
11-03-2013, 09:09 PM
They should cut Keyshawn in the morning. He does nothing.

steds
11-03-2013, 09:13 PM
I think history has shown that it is not the return man. Its the Special teams coach

Agree to an extent. But there's only so many things a coach can influence. He can't hold onto the ball for Martin.

2slik4u
11-03-2013, 09:51 PM
We are 8th in the league in kickoff returns with an average of just 27 yards a return.

On the surface, that sounds pretty good.

RTP2110
11-03-2013, 10:07 PM
Delete.

jtexas
11-03-2013, 10:13 PM
Get rid of the fat kicker too

thetexanator
11-03-2013, 10:50 PM
They should cut Keyshawn in the morning. He does nothing.

he brings the ball out 10 yrds deep into the endzone. he does do that. oh he fumbles too. he does that also

Rey
11-03-2013, 10:53 PM
They should merge this and the bullock thread and just call it the players who should be let go thread.

These two guys shouldn't have all the fun.

legacy_gt
11-03-2013, 10:58 PM
he prob caused a make up call

Hervoyel
11-03-2013, 10:58 PM
There's a group of guys on this team who are all seemingly trying like hell to tank it week in and week out and I can't for the life of me figure out what it is exactly that the Texans see in them.

KMart is worthless. I mean it. He contributes nothing. He makes Jacoby Jones look like a ****ing Pro Bowl WR and a HOF kick returner. KMart can't catch anything in a game setting and the team would be better off making him stand next to the goal post in the end zone and ordering him not to bring anything out.

Bullock is a piece of work all on his own. I've never seen a kicker last this long while covered with this thick a layer of suck. Has he even hit as many this year as he's missed?

Ed Reed is useless back there but tonight at least he was able to keep a Colts drive alive with a well placed penalty. He looks like he sells crack out of a motel room and he plays like my 70 year old mom now. Can we just send him home and pretend it never happened?

Sharpton? Worthless. This guy we picked up who played for the Ravens better have a pulse because we need someone better than Sharpton. Darryl gets owned every single drive at least once.

Our defense is screwed up but we knew that. It's hard to get upset when they can't hold an excellent offense like the Colts down. Without Cushing they're a shadow of the defense they are when he's there. I get that. What I can't understand though is why we're playing an old man who doesn't even look like he's part of the same unit on the field. I mean, Keo will make mistakes but at least he'll participate. Reed just offers nothing at this stage of his career.

I don't think we're done flipping our roster over yet.

On the bright side Keenum is fantastic. Really liked what I saw out of him tonight. Can't complain about any of it. Great second game. It's a completely different offense when he's in there. Keenum throwing to AJ, Hopkins, and Posey is the real thing. Our running game was again at a disadvantage with Foster doing his disappearing act (who didn't see that coming?) but they still did good. Should have activated Tate, Johnson, and one of the other guys instead. Foster needs time to get his body right. Two weeks wasn't going to get it done.

edwardc5637
11-03-2013, 11:00 PM
forget martin Bullock *ss has got to go he sucks.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
11-03-2013, 11:01 PM
Wasted 4th round pick

Bulls on Parade
11-04-2013, 01:07 AM
forget martin Bullock *ss has got to go he sucks.
I'd love to see the Texans' front office knock out two birds with one stone and release both of them this week. Show the fans that players will be held accountable for their bad play. Keshawn Martin hasn't even progressed very much as a wide receiver. What does he have, 8 catches for 104 yards on the entire season? That's a good game and even half for some guys. And he wasn't any better in 2012. I could overlook his inconsistent return game if he at least showed some promise at wide receiver but nope, he's even worse there. He's so bad of a wide receiver he can't even crack the playing rotation on the depth chart.

Corrosion
11-04-2013, 07:19 AM
They should cut Keyshawn in the morning. He does nothing.

They should cut him along with Marciano .... :bubbles:

Uncle Rico
11-04-2013, 07:22 AM
Keyshawn Martin ain't no Jerome Mathis that's for sure!

speedfreek
11-04-2013, 07:23 AM
Patrick Edwards is still out there on the Lions practice squad.

He was a beast with Keenum and very reliable and consistently
good in the return game.

You can get him super cheap. They Keyshawn experiment is
clearly over.

TJ

Texecutioner
11-04-2013, 09:33 AM
This guy has been awful since he got here. Just a total waste.

And I remember so many people swearing that he'd be a great #2 based on pre season games as usual.

silentassassin
11-04-2013, 09:41 AM
We are 8th in the league in kickoff returns with an average of just 27 yards a return.

On the surface, that sounds pretty good.

Unfortunately by their standards, that's more than enough to keep him out there. That stat is probably the first thing they would blurt out if someone questions their decision on continuing to trot Martin out there, even if the "eye test" suggests something completely different.

Corrosion
11-04-2013, 09:43 AM
This guy has been awful since he got here. Just a total waste.

And I remember so many people swearing that he'd be a great #2 based on pre season games as usual.

I don't see him as a #2 , more of a slot guy .... but he hasn't lived up to anyone's expectations. I think he'll get gone next year. Just too many mistakes. Hope he fumbles 6-8 more times this season .... all in the two games against the Jaq's helping us lose those.

thetexanator
11-04-2013, 09:47 AM
this pick was questionable when made. we had the need for a wr, but i remember thinking who is this guy. i hate seeing his stupid face.

Lord Bills
11-04-2013, 09:49 AM
Marciano is the problem.

Jacoby Jones, Trindon Holliday, and a decade of Marciano's incompetence should tell you fans and front office that instead people are still trying to find a scapegoat.

Marciano is the problem. Wasnt it his decision to get Bullock?

Texecutioner
11-04-2013, 10:28 AM
I don't see him as a #2 , more of a slot guy .... but he hasn't lived up to anyone's expectations. I think he'll get gone next year. Just too many mistakes. Hope he fumbles 6-8 more times this season .... all in the two games against the Jaq's helping us lose those.

Receiver wise, I think we found our #2 guy with Hopkins. I love what he can do and I think if Keenum plays the rest of the way he'll be a candidate for ROTY possibly.

Uncle Rico
11-04-2013, 10:35 AM
Receiver wise, I think we found our #2 guy with Hopkins. I love what he can do and I think if Keenum plays the rest of the way he'll be a candidate for ROTY possibly.

Terrance Williams wins OROY easily.

TheIronDuke
11-04-2013, 10:47 AM
Eddie Lacy

HOU-TEX
11-04-2013, 10:52 AM
Toss McCain, Joseph and Reed in the get rid of thread. It's kinda sad when Keo's currently your best safety

76Texan
11-04-2013, 11:01 AM
Terrance Williams wins OROY easily.

Eddie Lacy

They are all good candidates; we'll just have to see how the rest of the season pans out.

Lacy will need to improve on his 4 ypc to have a chance though; or he will have to go on a scoring binge.

Williams have been playing against worse pass defenses; for the season, he will have that advantage.

Hopkins gets Seahawks and Niners, two of the top defenses;
Williams gets Redskins and Eagles twice each, and these pass defenses are just terrible.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
11-04-2013, 12:10 PM
Keenan Allen is having a better season than all 3 of them.

Hervoyel
11-04-2013, 12:37 PM
Keyshawn Martin ain't no Jerome Mathis that's for sure!

We could probably go drag Mathis out of whatever crack house or dog fighting ring he's currently hanging out in and suit him up today and he'd outperform Kmart.

He needs to be sent packing. Edwards is out there and he'd come cheap. that's instant chemistry with Keenum. You normally can't buy that at any price at this point in an NFL season. What in the hell are the Texans waiting for?

Of course the same could be said of the decision to cut Bullock and bring back Graham or someone else.

bash
11-04-2013, 12:40 PM
Cut: Martin, Bullock, Schaub/Yates, Sharpton, McCain, and Reed.


For various cap and performance reasons.


Bulk up: ILB, CB, FS, TE, O/D Lines


Swearinger has potential at SS

76Texan
11-04-2013, 12:45 PM
Keenan Allen is having a better season than all 3 of them.

Yeah, you're right; but Allen played the easiest schedule of the three.

TheIronDuke
11-04-2013, 12:45 PM
Cut: Martin, Bullock, Schaub/Yates, Sharpton, McCain, and Reed.

Add Newton and Harris.

Wow, that's almost 20% of our roster that's complete garbage.

WolverineFan
11-04-2013, 12:47 PM
I was never really a fan of Martin. He only got drafted as a niche player (KR/Slot). Coming out of Michigan State he was the 2nd best WR on his team. B.J. Cunningham was a superior WR but did not have the speed that NFL teams covet. He has spent his NFL career on various practice squads and has been waived 2-3 times. The Eagles picked him up last month because they are decimated by injury at WR.

If the better WR on that team has been a fringe player in the NFL so far, what does that tell you about Martin?

WolverineFan
11-04-2013, 12:50 PM
Wow, that's almost 20% of our roster that's complete garbage.

Well what is the old formula? The top 20% of your roster is your core players and the guys you give the big money to. The next 60% is the role players and draft picks that have potential to get into that top 20%. They are the heart of the roster and what makes a good team great. The bottom 20% of your roster is your depth players and is always ever-changing. These guys only stick with a team for a year or two before moving on to the next.

Looks like we have a few guys who have overstayed their welcome.

Hervoyel
11-04-2013, 12:53 PM
Add Newton and Harris.

Wow, that's almost 20% of our roster that's complete garbage.

Cutting Harris would be a mistake. He should be starting over Newton and playing every down his body can handle.

Otherwise I can find no fault with your list.

TheIronDuke
11-04-2013, 12:55 PM
Cutting Harris would be a mistake. He should be starting over Newton and playing every down his body can handle.

Otherwise I can find no fault with your list.

I meant Brandon Harris, mostly because I can't stand that we wasted a 2nd round pick on him. I want Ryan Harris starting over Newton and don't understand why Newton is even on this team.

WolverineFan
11-04-2013, 01:07 PM
I meant Brandon Harris, mostly because I can't stand that we wasted a 2nd round pick on him. I want Ryan Harris starting over Newton and don't understand why Newton is even on this team.

Technically we wasted a 2nd and a 4th since we traded up for him.

Hervoyel
11-04-2013, 01:13 PM
I meant Brandon Harris, mostly because I can't stand that we wasted a 2nd round pick on him. I want Ryan Harris starting over Newton and don't understand why Newton is even on this team.


Got ya. We're on the same page with both Brandon and Ryan.

Exascor
11-04-2013, 01:19 PM
Technically we wasted a 2nd and a 4th since we traded up for him.

It was a 3rd and 5th for the 2nd we used on Brandon Harris. Bust.

TheIronDuke
11-04-2013, 01:23 PM
Technically we wasted a 2nd and a 4th since we traded up for him.

Man, I knew we traded up to get him but damn, I didn't remember it being with a 4th. This team has drafted so many CB's and not a single one has been worth a crap besides Kareem and he was a 1st rounder. Why has it been impossible for this team to draft corners and defensive tackles and really, LB's outside of the first round since its inception? Freaking mind-boggling.

ChampionTexan
11-04-2013, 01:27 PM
Yeah, you're right; but Allen played the easiest schedule of the three.

But Allen is also doing it without an elite WR playing with him to draw defensive attention.

Exascor
11-04-2013, 01:30 PM
Man, I knew we traded up to get him but damn, I didn't remember it being with a 4th. This team has drafted so many CB's and not a single one has been worth a crap besides Kareem and he was a 1st rounder. Why has it been impossible for this team to draft corners and defensive tackles and really, LB's outside of the first round since its inception? Freaking mind-boggling.Well...your memory is really good. See my post right above yours. Source: 2011 Draft Trades (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=6445186)

Rey
11-04-2013, 05:57 PM
I don't think Harris has gotten a fair chance in games. What I saw from him last year he looked better than McCain to me. Yeah he had some penalties, but all our corners do. He hasn't played much.
I think if he played more he could develop into a solid player, but for some reason the team has decided they want to keep running Brice out there. It's been past time to start exploring other options. We shouldn't have even re signed McCain.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
11-04-2013, 06:57 PM
Harris was absolutely terrible every time he got on the field. Guy was a penalty machine.

Naija Texan
11-05-2013, 09:16 PM
I don't think Harris has gotten a fair chance in games. What I saw from him last year he looked better than McCain to me. Yeah he had some penalties, but all our corners do. He hasn't played much.
I think if he played more he could develop into a solid player, but for some reason the team has decided they want to keep running Brice out there. It's been past time to start exploring other options. We shouldn't have even re signed McCain.

I agree, I get why his rookie year as McCain was faster and playing like a Pro Bowl cb at the slot position. But McCain for going on two seasons has usually been most memorable trailing behind plays where he is burnt or is out of position and the opposing receiver drops the ball. Harris is often called crap but he plays with an edge, which last 2 seasons where he when finally getting minutes on the defensive side as a last resort he would sometimes make mistakes and his haters will get more fuel.

All that being said, while I think Wade does favor known vets more, I can't believe Harris still hasn't beat out McCain, which goes to show some of his issues are probably his own fault or going out on a tangent, Marciano's coaching him to play special teams has ruined him like so many other players in its own special way.


Back on topic, I'm glad they are cutting back on Martin's duties, the man's injury and his own lack of pass catching ability was making him a liability.

Big Lou
11-05-2013, 11:05 PM
Get rid of the fat kicker too

Put the fat kicker back to receive and take a knee every KO and we'd be 172.6% better on ST.

Big Lou
11-05-2013, 11:07 PM
Cut: Martin, Bullock, Schaub/Yates, Sharpton, McCain, and Reed.


For various cap and performance reasons.


Bulk up: ILB, CB, FS, TE, O/D Lines


Swearinger has potential at SS

What's wrong with Yates as QB2?

Norg
11-06-2013, 01:48 AM
in terms of returing isn't he like kinda leading the league on yards I don't think he is has bad at is seems could be better tho maybe if he had better blocking and no JOe coaching the ST

I wish tho he could be more of Undernearth wes welker type on O

Scooter
11-06-2013, 02:27 AM
we've had some spectacular anchors this year, keyshawn being one of them. schaub, ed reed, newton, and the fat aggie rounding out the mess. if these guys had simply not sucked we'd probably be in pretty good shape right now. as it is, we've got a good team that has been crushed by the bad play of a handful of guys. thankfully there's a pretty good chance none will be playing next year. schaub's already done, the kicker is out this week, ed reed will definitely be cut, netwon's getting replaced by williams or quess or draft, and we'll have another late rounder to return kicks and maybe actually provide something on offense.

i'm writing this season off as a fluke. i just cant believe it any other way. we have a roster that can win 10-12 games. we have coaches who can win 10-12 games. and yet we've crashed hard because of the ineptitude of a few players and some horrid luck.