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Lord Bills
10-28-2013, 08:16 PM
Caught wade on 790 today with barry warner (i think) they broached the subject of Brooks Reed playing inside and wade totally dismissed the subject and was mumbling through his answer. I couldnt make out what he said initially, but he was having none of it. He said brooks is an outside linebacker and that he was happy with Sharpton manning the middle.

I personally think Brooks is a perfect fit inside. He looks more solid and a lot thicker than Cushing and Sharpton who looks a little smallish playing inside.

This past preseason would have been an ideal time for them to find out with the depth we had ouside with mercilus, willie jefferson, and the two draft picks but the texans never made a serious, concerted effort to find out.

They also asked him about the dez bryant situation which wade refused to answer at all lol...

Wolf
10-28-2013, 08:29 PM
Well we will see when sharpton is injured again on what his answer will be next

Pollardized
10-28-2013, 08:35 PM
Well we will see when sharpton is injured again on what his answer will be next

I heard Sharpton was injured today. Apparently the sharp edge of the toilet paper caught him at a tender spot in the crack and caused a massive paper cut. Because he usually plays with his head up his ass this is of major concern to the coaches. He will likely be a game day decision.

eriadoc
10-28-2013, 08:45 PM
Reed would suck at ILB, at least initially. People that think he would make this seamless transition are overlooking instincts. Reed has always played on the LOS. ILB requires different read ability and you don't just get that in one offseason. You get that sort of thing after thousands of reps. Reed comes from a pass rush background (which is telling, since he kind of sucks at it).

This isn't Madden. You can't just plug and play guys. It would take Reed at least a couple years to become a decent ILB. At his age, that's not really an option.

Rey
10-28-2013, 08:54 PM
I don't want any part of him as a full time ilb. I don't think he's that kind of player. He's a hybrid DE, edge, LOS type of player. He's at his best position where he's currently at.

We should be looking to replace reed and let him walk...not trying to shuffle the chairs on the deck.

thunderkyss
10-28-2013, 08:54 PM
Caught wade on 790 today with barry warner (i think) they broached the subject of Brooks Reed playing inside and wade totally dismissed the subject and was mumbling through his answer.

Reed would suck at ILB, at least initially. People that think he would make this seamless transition are overlooking instincts. Reed has always played on the LOS. ILB requires different read ability and you don't just get that in one offseason. You get that sort of thing after thousands of reps.

Initially I liked the idea of moving Reed inside. Like Cushing, I thought he would excel with the big guys up front doing the heavy lifting.... but that was because I was not impressed with what he does at the LoS where he will definitely make contact with the big OLmen.

But looking back to when they did try him out inside, I can't say that he did anything note-worthy. He was just as invisible. At least on the outside he can set the edge.

They've had plenty of opportunity to move him inside if they thought it would do any good. Brian Cushing is out for the season & Reed isn't even an option. It's just sad that we can't find anyone to outplay him.

texanhead08
10-28-2013, 10:01 PM
Sharpeton is a WLB in a 4-3 and he seems totally miscast in this defense.

badboy
10-29-2013, 01:58 PM
Wade Phillips allegedly gets to pick defensive players in draft but has or did not develop Roc Carmichael. Brandon Harris a trade up into second rounder that cannot get much playing time or others. He missed on FA linebacker Bradie James being able to pick up system and others. He had to sign off on Reed and now seems to be teflon regarding that call. Draft pick misses like Sam Montgomery get blamed on Ric Smith.
Why does Wade not get same heat Gary does?

eriadoc
10-29-2013, 02:09 PM
Why does Wade not get same heat Gary does?

In part because he's not the HEAD coach. He gets to lobby for defensive players, and I'm sure he has more weight in the decision than anyone, but at the end of the day, Kubiak is in charge of this team. Do you hear Marciano getting much heat for sucking at his job? A little, but honestly, most of it is directed at Kubiak for continuing to employ Marciano. Well, he's continuing to employ Wade.

The other part of it is it's still too early to start clamoring for Wade to be fired. But most of us have our criticisms of the defense and his choice of players.

Exascor
10-29-2013, 02:11 PM
Wade Phillips allegedly gets to pick defensive players in draft but has or did not develop Roc Carmichael. Brandon Harris a trade up into second rounder that cannot get much playing time or others. He missed on FA linebacker Bradie James being able to pick up system and others. He had to sign off on Reed and now seems to be teflon regarding that call. Draft pick misses like Sam Montgomery get blamed on Ric Smith.
Why does Wade not get same heat Gary does?

Because some people can't forget the mad rush to have him replaced after 2010. They sold themselves that Kubiak was sure to be fired and a savior at head coach would replace him. There was so much pent up hatred for Kubiak that they can't give him credit for anything but shove all the blame on him.

As for Wade Phillips, you are 100% correct. He gets credit for all the defensive draft picks but people forget about the huge failures. Smith deserves some blame too but I'm sure Phillips had his hand in Montgomery as well as Carmichael & Harris.

Double Barrel
10-29-2013, 02:25 PM
Wade Phillips allegedly gets to pick defensive players in draft but has or did not develop Roc Carmichael. Brandon Harris a trade up into second rounder that cannot get much playing time or others. He missed on FA linebacker Bradie James being able to pick up system and others. He had to sign off on Reed and now seems to be teflon regarding that call. Draft pick misses like Sam Montgomery get blamed on Ric Smith.
Why does Wade not get same heat Gary does?

I agree. You have a valid point.

I get less impressed with Wade's defensive scheme as each season goes by. Obviously we could do a lot worse, so I don't want him fired. However, it is telling that everywhere he goes as DC his best year seems to be his first season with a given team.

As far as the idea of Brooks Reed at ILB, I don't care for it. He still struggles at changing directions, not a good run stopper, and still seems to have a hard time shedding blocks. I do not see his strengths as being a good fit in the middle, so I agree with Wade on this one.

kingtexan
10-29-2013, 02:27 PM
As long as we are playing Wade's system, Brooks is an OLB.

infantrycak
10-29-2013, 02:32 PM
Wade Phillips allegedly gets to pick defensive players in draft but has or did not develop Roc Carmichael. Brandon Harris a trade up into second rounder that cannot get much playing time or others. He missed on FA linebacker Bradie James being able to pick up system and others. He had to sign off on Reed and now seems to be teflon regarding that call. Draft pick misses like Sam Montgomery get blamed on Ric Smith.
Why does Wade not get same heat Gary does?

I agree Wade needs to get credit for both good and bad in the draft.

Bradie James didn't have to pick up the system, he had played in it. He just got old.

Carmichael and Harris I am going to assume our DB coach plays a substantial role in. Wade is scheme, not every personnel decision. Yes higher ups in the chain of command have responsibility but realistically that does not mean the decision making flows in the same way and they very often defer to people/specialists they hired for the job.

Playoffs
10-29-2013, 03:01 PM
Wade Phillips allegedly gets to pick defensive players in draft but has or did not develop Roc Carmichael. Brandon Harris a trade up into second rounder that cannot get much playing time or others. He missed on FA linebacker Bradie James being able to pick up system and others. He had to sign off on Reed and now seems to be teflon regarding that call. Draft pick misses like Sam Montgomery get blamed on Ric Smith.
Why does Wade not get same heat Gary does?

It's a good point. If I hate Kubiak, everything bad is Kubiak's fault. If I hate Rick Smith, everything bad is Rick's fault. Nobody hates Bum's son... yet.

Texian
10-29-2013, 04:37 PM
Why does Wade not get same heat Gary does?

In his first year Wade took one the worst to one the best, 2 years running. Even with today's problems the D is still ranked very high. So that's why Wade gets a break.

Exascor
10-29-2013, 04:51 PM
In his first year Wade took one the worst to one the best, 2 years running. Even with today's problems the D is still ranked very high. So that's why Wade gets a break.

Yet Kubiak's offense has been one of the best in the league each year and he gets all the blame. Kubiak's offense cost the Texans plenty of games. Wade's defense cost the Texans plenty of games too. They are becoming as undisciplined as the Richard Smith and Frank Bush units. Overpursuit, leaving their lanes and untimely penalties. Until Wade figures out what a zone is and when to mix it in, he can be the 2nd let go this offseason - Marciano HAS to be the first.

thunderkyss
10-29-2013, 06:34 PM
Why does Wade not get same heat Gary does?

If his daddy didn't just pass away, I'd be all over him.

Right now, I'm more upset that these guys haven't stepped up knowing what their coach is going through. They should have come out on fire knowing what they knew.... but they didn't. They eventually started playing with some heart, as if they wanted to get the win for Wade..... too little, too late.

I also admit they may not have been aware of what Wade's been going through the last 6 weeks or so, but I'm hoping that's Wade gets back into the game & fix all the little problems we've got on defense & figure out a way to minimize the drop off from Cushing.

Texian
10-29-2013, 07:46 PM
Yet Kubiak's offense has been one of the best in the league each year and he gets all the blame. Kubiak's offense cost the Texans plenty of games. Wade's defense cost the Texans plenty of games too. They are becoming as undisciplined as the Richard Smith and Frank Bush units. Overpursuit, leaving their lanes and untimely penalties. Until Wade figures out what a zone is and when to mix it in, he can be the 2nd let go this offseason - Marciano HAS to be the first.

Kubiak's been here 8 yrs Wade going on 3. Wade's report card has a much higher grade.

deucetx
10-30-2013, 08:13 AM
Eh, that's alright. At this point I'm pretty much totally dismissive about Brooks Reed playing any position. I thought he was at least good in coverage but apparently he is rather horrid at that too this year. Only thing he's decent at is setting the edge on the run. Rather one dimensional player.

TheIronDuke
10-30-2013, 08:44 AM
Eh, that's alright. At this point I'm pretty much totally dismissive about Brooks Reed playing any position. I thought he was at least good in coverage but apparently he is rather horrid at that too this year. Only thing he's decent at is setting the edge on the run. Rather one dimensional player.

He looks pretty cool with his long hair too. Being a fan of the Texans has taught me that football is mostly about style so I'd say Brooke Reed is one of our top contributors in that area.

badboy
10-31-2013, 09:02 AM
I guess I am a stats guy so Kubiak's & Phillips' rankings are cool but at some point Ws need to happen. Now I am going to open a real can of fish bait, any comments on Cushing not being able to remain on field? He has missed most of two last seasons and just sign new contract. Not saying he is injury prone but he has not contributed much lately. Broken stuff happen and not saying he is Sharpton but ...

One of things that allows me to give him a pass is his effort as I know he always brings his lunch pail.

NCTexan
10-31-2013, 09:27 AM
I guess I am a stats guy so Kubiak's & Phillips' rankings are cool but at some point Ws need to happen. Now I am going to open a real can of fish bait, any comments on Cushing not being able to remain on field? He has missed most of two last seasons and just sign new contract. Not saying he is injury prone but he has not contributed much lately. Broken stuff happen and not saying he is Sharpton but ...

One of things that allows me to give him a pass is his effort as I know he always brings his lunch pail.

The thing about Cushing is that both his injuries come from devastating hits. He's not breaking at every little chip shot.

But yeah. It is still frustrating.

Texian
10-31-2013, 10:42 AM
Why does Wade not get same heat Gary does?

Wade's career record as a HC is 82-59 .581; Kubiak is 61-56 .517

He has earned that respect and he deserves it. (but not as the Texans next HC)

Exascor
10-31-2013, 10:52 AM
Wade's career record as a HC is 82-59 .581; Kubiak is 61-56 .517

He has earned that respect and he deserves it. (but not as the Texans next HC)

Career record as hc in the playoffs:
Wade Phillips: 1-5
Gary Kubiak: 2-2

Score one for Kubiak!

Double Barrel
10-31-2013, 11:09 AM
Career record as hc in the playoffs:
Wade Phillips: 1-5
Gary Kubiak: 2-2

Score one for Kubiak!

lol! :spin:

yeah, you can spin stats to support just about any agenda.

The Texans defense is highly (over)rated when using yardage as a metric.

But scoreboard (http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-points-per-game) is what really counts. They are ranked 27th in points allowed at 27.7 per game. By comparison, the Chiefs defense only allows 12.2 points per game.

If this season tanks and McNair fires staff (unlikely as it may be), Wade should be shown the door with Kubiak. Much respect to the Phillips family (Houston royalty as far as I'm concerned), but business is business.

disaacks3
10-31-2013, 12:02 PM
lol! :spin:

yeah, you can spin stats to support just about any agenda.

The Texans defense is highly (over)rated when using yardage as a metric.

But scoreboard (http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-points-per-game) is what really counts. They are ranked 27th in points allowed at 27.7 per game. By comparison, the Chiefs defense only allows 12.2 points per game.

If this season tanks and McNair fires staff (unlikely as it may be), Wade should be shown the door with Kubiak. Much respect to the Phillips family (Houston royalty as far as I'm concerned), but business is business.

What was that "yeah, you can spin stats to support just about any agenda"? The pick 6's , PR-TD and KR-fumble-TD all count against that metric. None of those is Wade's fault.

Exascor
10-31-2013, 12:56 PM
What was that "yeah, you can spin stats to support just about any agenda"? The pick 6's , PR-TD and KR-fumble-TD all count against that metric. None of those is Wade's fault.I think he meant that I took stats to directly counter Texians stats. So yeah, they can be spun to fit any agenda would cover it.

2013 isn't all Phillips fault. He sure does deserve some of the blame though. People claim Kubiak is stubborn...

How about Phillips defense getting smoked by Luck to Hilton in their first matchup last season? Adjust? Nah. Exact same play. Exact same results.

How about Brady being able to consistently beat man to man coverage and blitzing? First match up result? Smoked. Adjust for second game? Nah. Smoked again.

Sticking with players too long? How about weak nose tackle play? We don't need a fatty in the middle!! No speed at OLB. Why get sacks from the OLB position in a 3-4? We can have Watt get 20 by himself!

Cornerbacks still failing to turn their heads & always playing man to man. Just because QBs can toss balls deep without fear of interceptions doesn't matter right? Deep balls versus the Texans = pass interference, complete or incomplete. In that order too. No risk play for opposing offences.

The list can go on and on.

76Texan
10-31-2013, 01:06 PM
Wade's career record as a HC is 82-59 .581; Kubiak is 61-56 .517

He has earned that respect and he deserves it. (but not as the Texans next HC)

I don't care if the Texans replace Kubiak, but to be fair to him, he was building a team pretty much from scratch.
Phillips inherited teams from three very good to great coaches who took them to a lot of playoffs and SBs.

Wade cannot be given a free pass as DC either; he was given a lot of toys to play with when he first set foot on the ground of Reliant Stadium.

Double Barrel
10-31-2013, 01:41 PM
What was that "yeah, you can spin stats to support just about any agenda"? The pick 6's , PR-TD and KR-fumble-TD all count against that metric. None of those is Wade's fault.

That's the whole point.

I'm not pushing an agenda, but rather trying to be objective in analysis.

You can back out the pick 6s and special teams scores and the Texans D is still not top 10 using a points allowed metric.

If you really want to look at significant stats, red zone, takeaways, and third down conversions show a much better picture.

NFL Team Opponent Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TD only) (http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-red-zone-scoring-pct)

By this metric, the Texans D is 31st, with opponents scoring TDs 68.18% of the time they are in the red zone (first is Baltimore at 26.32%).

NFL Team Opponent Third Down Conversion Percentage (http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-third-down-conversion-pct)

The Texans D is ranked 21st, allowing third down conversions 38.71% of the time (first is KC at 25.23%).

It's not all on Wade, of course, but let's not be obtuse and act like he's got nothing to do with it. Blame should be spread all around, from the FO, to coaches, to the players.

I'm sure you get the picture. I'm not one to cherry-pick stats to support a specific agenda. I'm a Texans fan that sees problems throughout the franchise this season.

There is a clear anti-Kubiak agenda at work that fails to see the forest, but I'm not buying the simpleton approach of wearing blinders to only see what I want to see.

disaacks3
10-31-2013, 02:19 PM
You can back out the pick 6s and special teams scores and the Texans D is still not top 10 using a points allowed metric. "Not top 10" sounds like a far cry from #27.

By this metric, the Texans D is 31st, with opponents scoring TDs 68.18% of the time they are in the red zone (first is Baltimore at 26.32%). That's one indicative of the Texans' 2-5 record, most of the others really aren't.

I'm not blind to the Defensive issues, but when your Offense routinely gives up points, short fields or both, it sure isn't helping the Defense much.

Real issues on D? Injuries, no effective rush outside of Watt, all ILB (incl Cushing) getting beaten sideline-to-sideline, can't stop the run to save their lives...

Exascor
10-31-2013, 02:28 PM
Real issues on D? Injuries, no effective rush outside of Watt, all ILB (incl Cushing) getting beaten sideline-to-sideline, can't stop the run to save their lives... Honest question - what injuries on defense contributed to 2-5? Is Manning that important?

Texian
10-31-2013, 02:53 PM
Career record as hc in the playoffs:
Wade Phillips: 1-5
Gary Kubiak: 2-2

Score one for Kubiak!

When you examine the record, Kubiak's record against teaams that are .500 and above has been pretty dismal. Sad in fact.

Score another one for Kubiak!

disaacks3
10-31-2013, 02:54 PM
Honest question - what injuries on defense contributed to 2-5? Is Manning that important?

Hmm Let's see.

Cushing - coming off of injury, now IR - has lost lateral speed. Getting beat to the edge contributes to the Texans defense against the run ranking.

Ed Reed - coming off of injury - would like to see him at something approaching 60%. QBs are used to avoiding the deep ball in Reed's area. No such threat exists and he's already been exposed in coverage.

Manning - IR - Was one of the better hitters we had on Defense and came up strong in run support. While Keo has been a pleasant surprise, the Texans are now extremely thin in Dime packages. Swearinger isn't as effective as Keo currently.

Mercilus - PUP List until opener - Mercilus badly needed the Pre-season snaps and is just now rounding into where he should've been by week 2.

Sharpton - Eternal Injury report - It'd be great if we could ever see consistent action from him.

So yeah, it's a little more than Manning. :kitten:

Double Barrel
10-31-2013, 03:03 PM
"Not top 10" sounds like a far cry from #27.

Well, of course. I wasn't trying to argue the point, but rather illustrate the fallacy of taking the statement "no. 1 defense" at face value.

Cherry picked stats can paint different pictures, which is specifically why I presented it in that way. Perhaps I should have added smilies or something to my statement to indicate joviality, because I certainly lack any desire to get into pissing matches with select stats for specific agendas.

That's one indicative of the Texans' 2-5 record, most of the others really aren't.

Sure they are...when taken into a big picture analysis.

If you are saying third down conversion rates and turnover margins cannot reveal deficiencies, then we will just have to agree to disagree.

I'm not blind to the Defensive issues, but when your Offense routinely gives up points, short fields or both, it sure isn't helping the Defense much.

I generally agree, but the offense has nothing to do with poor red zone performance and inability to hold teams to FGs instead of TDs.

Real issues on D? Injuries, no effective rush outside of Watt, all ILB (incl Cushing) getting beaten sideline-to-sideline, can't stop the run to save their lives...

Agree on all points. This defense has always performed best when it has a lead to protect and they can pin their ears back for a pass rush. But, that's basically a Captain Obvious statement that can apply to most defenses.

Obviously, the offenses inability to consistency get a lead (much less maintain it) and the constant giveaway of points is never going to help the defense regardless of other issues.

Exascor
10-31-2013, 03:24 PM
Hmm Let's see.

Cushing - coming off of injury, now IR - has lost lateral speed. Getting beat to the edge contributes to the Texans defense against the run ranking.

Ed Reed - coming off of injury - would like to see him at something approaching 60%. QBs are used to avoiding the deep ball in Reed's area. No such threat exists and he's already been exposed in coverage.

Manning - IR - Was one of the better hitters we had on Defense and came up strong in run support. While Keo has been a pleasant surprise, the Texans are now extremely thin in Dime packages. Swearinger isn't as effective as Keo currently.

Mercilus - PUP List until opener - Mercilus badly needed the Pre-season snaps and is just now rounding into where he should've been by week 2.

Sharpton - Eternal Injury report - It'd be great if we could ever see consistent action from him.

So yeah, it's a little more than Manning. :kitten:Well...I'm going to disagree a little. Mercilus maybe. He's actually played fairly well considering - on pace for 10 sacks. The rest are bogus. Cushing was playing well and played in all 7 games. Sharpton shouldn't be ever brought up. He shouldn't be on the team if he's really injured as often as he's listed. Besides, why are we counting on a backup when Cushing & Mays are still able to play? Anyone watching Reed last year could see he wasn't 100%. His brains allowed him to be semi-effective last year. He shouldn't have been counted on at all. Safety play hasn't seemed terrible anyways (other than Reed).

So is Watt injured and that's why his effectiveness is down? Are Antonio Smith & Brooks Reed injured? How many interceptions do Joseph & Jackson have? How many penalties? That because of injuries too?

I'm just messing with you honestly disaacks. I agree with your takes but feel that defensive injuries are a minor issue up to this point. Probably THE most minor part of 2-5. The rest of the team/defensive issues are the real issues. We have a defense that requires having a big lead or they can't function. The offense has failed to put up a big lead in any game and we could have lost all 7 so far. Defensive injuries could be the difference between a potential season comeback or not though.

thunderkyss
10-31-2013, 06:44 PM
What was that "yeah, you can spin stats to support just about any agenda"? The pick 6's , PR-TD and KR-fumble-TD all count against that metric. None of those is Wade's fault.

Not to mention the Chiefs don't turn the ball over either.

eriadoc
11-01-2013, 08:14 AM
That's one indicative of the Texans' 2-5 record, most of the others really aren't.

Here's one: The defense has surrendered an 80+ yard drive in every game this season, and more than one in one or two games. And I believe only one of them has been under 90 yards. Talk about nullifying the best punter in the NFL.

Naija Texan
11-03-2013, 07:27 PM
Don't get why people are in love with Reed playing ILB.

The man is DE we converted to play OLB, moving him inside would just add to responsibilities that he probably can't handle. He's half decent at coverage as a OLB but do we really think a guy who has trouble making plays in the backfield as a OLB will be able to keep up with RBs and TEs all game long?

You have better shot guys like Mohamed or Tuggle playing ILB then Brooks Reed.

Rey
11-03-2013, 07:44 PM
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Rey
11-03-2013, 07:46 PM
Don't get why people are in love with Reed playing ILB.

The man is DE we converted to play OLB, moving him inside would just add to responsibilities that he probably can't handle. He's half decent at coverage as a OLB but do we really think a guy who has trouble making plays in the backfield as a OLB will be able to keep up with RBs and TEs all game long?

You have better shot guys like Mohamed or Tuggle playing ILB then Brooks Reed.

Honestly, I think people are confused about what the OLB's and ilb's do in this defense.

I want no parts of Reed playing ilb full time. That'd be a disaster.

ArlingtonTexan
11-03-2013, 08:05 PM
Don't get why people are in love with Reed playing ILB.

The man is DE we converted to play OLB, moving him inside would just add to responsibilities that he probably can't handle. He's half decent at coverage as a OLB but do we really think a guy who has trouble making plays in the backfield as a OLB will be able to keep up with RBs and TEs all game long?

You have better shot guys like Mohamed or Tuggle playing ILB then Brooks Reed.

Fans are overly enamored with position changes in the NFL period. among the better players in the league, there really are not many who move from the position that they were drafted to play. 3-4 OLB/4-3 DEs are primarily pass rushers. way too much is made over the 5%-10% the OLB may drop into coverage.

I also love the number of players whose 'natural position' is something that they never played in high school college or their first handful of years in the pros.

thunderkyss
11-04-2013, 01:50 AM
We spent a 2nd round pick on him. He's not cutting it at OLB. People are hoping to salvage something, & being that 2 down LB next to Cushing would be acceptable.

He might not be an ILB in a 3-4, but we know damn well he is not on OLB either.