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htowntexans1985
10-21-2013, 01:21 PM
John McClain @ McClain_on_NFL


Texans waived RB Cierre Wood, DE Sam
Montgomery, OLB Willie Jefferson. Sources
say they violated team rules at KC hotel.
Got sent home.


Wow!!!!

msbbc833
10-21-2013, 01:22 PM
Oh my!!

Thorn
10-21-2013, 01:23 PM
Ummmm........we need an RB if Wood is gone.

76Texan
10-21-2013, 01:23 PM
John McClain @ McClain_on_NFL


Texans waived RB Cierre Wood, DE Sam
Montgomery, OLB Willie Jefferson. Sources
say they violated team rules at KC hotel.
Got sent home.


Wow!!!!

Dang; has got to be something pretty serious.

CloakNNNdagger
10-21-2013, 01:24 PM
Tuesday will be a busy tryout.

welsh texan
10-21-2013, 01:24 PM
Busted draft picks, it's a nice out (I'm aware wood was udfa, meaning the other two)

cstyle42
10-21-2013, 01:24 PM
John McClain @ McClain_on_NFL


Texans waived RB Cierre Wood, DE Sam
Montgomery, OLB Willie Jefferson. Sources
say they violated team rules at KC hotel.
Got sent home.


Wow!!!!

Good ol boy system at its finest lol. Kubiak should have had Wood activated to begin with. It's ok Ravens will sign all these guys to their team...

nero THE zero
10-21-2013, 01:25 PM
Thought it was extremely curious that the Texans were going with only 2 RB on Sunday, especially considering both Tate and Foster had injury concerns going into the game.

And, hate to speculate, but given that both Montgomery and Jefferson are involved, and given their predraft issues, you'd have to think drugs are involved.

htowntexans1985
10-21-2013, 01:25 PM
The feces has hit the fan. Lol!!! Have a feeling it has to do with the females. Smh.

bOODRO87
10-21-2013, 01:27 PM
Oh awesome. DUMPSTER FIRE!!!

HOU-TEX
10-21-2013, 01:27 PM
Holy moly! This season's been all kinds of crazy.

Porky
10-21-2013, 01:27 PM
Wow. What a shock...

Females (call girls?), Drinking, Drugs, or room trashing.

Vote for your choice.

I'll go with B - Drinking

CloakNNNdagger
10-21-2013, 01:27 PM
Montgomery should have never been drafted.

htownfan32
10-21-2013, 01:28 PM
Oh boy. We should be looking at free agent RBs. Is one of the preseason RBs still on the practice squad?

Ktexan68
10-21-2013, 01:29 PM
A season in complete dissaray.

NCTexan
10-21-2013, 01:29 PM
Oh boy. We should be looking at free agent RBs. Is one of the preseason RBs still on the practice squad?

Ray Graham. I know some posters here were pretty psyched about him but he never really played preseason.

b0ng
10-21-2013, 01:30 PM
holy ****

Section516
10-21-2013, 01:30 PM
Dang, Willie Jefferson looked good in preseason... Came with history though.

CloakNNNdagger
10-21-2013, 01:31 PM
Wow. What a shock...

Females (call girls?), Drinking, Drugs, or room trashing.

Vote for your choice.

I'll go with B - Drinking

Don't forget being busted at LSU for betting on their games.

santo
10-21-2013, 01:31 PM
Wow. What a shock...

Females (call girls?), Drinking, Drugs, or room trashing.

Vote for your choice.

I'll go with B - Drinking

I'll go with stealing towels from the hotel room. :thinking:

Rey
10-21-2013, 01:33 PM
Meanwhile chris jones has 3.5 sacks with the pats and has been turning heads over there.

He had the unfortunate FG penalty, but he's been playing well for them this year.

Blake
10-21-2013, 01:34 PM
Good ol boy system at its finest lol. Kubiak should have had Wood activated to begin with. It's ok Ravens will sign all these guys to their team...

"I do not think that means what you think it means."

steds
10-21-2013, 01:34 PM
Hey ho. It never rains, it ****ing pours.

Playoffs
10-21-2013, 01:35 PM
WTF???

Punish them, fine them, dock their pay... this better be damned serious to let go of Willie & Cierre.

htownfan32
10-21-2013, 01:35 PM
Ray Graham. I know some posters here were pretty psyched about him but he never really played preseason.

I think there'll be a few tryouts and Graham might get a call up.

Beanie Wells maybe?

Rey
10-21-2013, 01:35 PM
I wonder what these guys were doing?

I hope it was really bad.

HOU-TEX
10-21-2013, 01:36 PM
Meanwhile chris jones has 3.5 sacks with the pats and has been turning heads over there.

He had the unfortunate FG penalty, but he's been playing well for them this year.

I still can't figure out why he was let go to begin with. He was injured a bit, but was dang good the final PS game. I know 2s, 3s and 4s played but still. McClain's been a mess

Blake
10-21-2013, 01:36 PM
Montgomery should have never been drafted.

I would have to agree with you. I was hesitant to be negative towards drafting him since they seemed to get good value, but now just thinking of who they passed on to get this dude...

TejasTom
10-21-2013, 01:36 PM
Don't forget being busted at LSU for betting on their games.

Maybe Sam was betting whether he'd be active or not.

Thorn
10-21-2013, 01:37 PM
I wonder what these guys were doing?

I hope it was really bad.

They threw their candy wrappers in Kubiak's room.

leebigeztx
10-21-2013, 01:38 PM
Panic move,lost the team,trying to show he's still in charge. As said before,montegomery shouldn't. Have never been drafted.

Pollardized
10-21-2013, 01:39 PM
Fits the Texans theme:

You can be completely useless on the field, by golly you can throw interceptions, miss field goals, run 10.3 yards out of the end zone on every kickoff, or look like a great hollywood replica of a turnstile at right tackle, and you can play for this team, cause it's on me.

But mister, if you act up in the team hotel, you can bet there's gonna be heck to pay.. heck I tell you!

TheRealJoker
10-21-2013, 01:39 PM
i dont get this move.

we need all these guys including woods. There should be some latitude granted to these young athletes, i dont get the zero tolerance policy.

these guys are football players, not running for president or pope.

Seems to me like a dbag extreme move to cut all these guys who are all pretty talented.


I'd wait to hear what the heck they did before saying it's a dbag extreme move to cut them.

powda
10-21-2013, 01:42 PM
Dope or call girls.

Mr teX
10-21-2013, 01:42 PM
The end is nigh Mr. Kubiak....

deucetx
10-21-2013, 01:44 PM
Busted draft picks, it's a nice out (I'm aware wood was udfa, meaning the other two)

You're confusing Jefferson with T. Williams. Montgomery was the only individual drafted from this trio. Jefferson was udfa like Wood.

texanhead08
10-21-2013, 01:46 PM
Hookers and blow ?

NCTexan
10-21-2013, 01:47 PM
Hookers and blow ?

I can see where the differences arose. The Texans are more of a Models and Bottles organization.

TejasTom
10-21-2013, 01:51 PM
Dope or call girls.

"And is better than or." (Ford commercial)

PapaL
10-21-2013, 01:51 PM
How's that control of the locker room looking now?

Bulls on Parade
10-21-2013, 01:51 PM
Good ol boy system at its finest lol. Kubiak should have had Wood activated to begin with. It's ok Ravens will sign all these guys to their team...
And Sam Montgomery will reach his potential and become a solid pro on a new team?

76Texan
10-21-2013, 01:52 PM
Now we can rule out the possibility of activating Wood for game day.
The players were sent home Sunday morning.
Something happened during Saturday night...

TheIronDuke
10-21-2013, 01:53 PM
Can we say Ed Reed was the culprit and get him cut too?

Thorn
10-21-2013, 01:54 PM
Can we say Ed Reed was the culprit and get him cut too?

Let's plant something on Kubiak and call Homeland Security. We'll never see him again. LOL

badboy
10-21-2013, 01:54 PM
Wood was supsended first two games in college 2012 and IIRC I found allegations on a MB that fans said marijuana use. He is married and has a child I think. I had mocked him for months as a 5th.

texanhead08
10-21-2013, 01:55 PM
Can we say Ed Reed was the culprit and get him cut too?

Add Newton to the list too.

The Pencil Neck
10-21-2013, 01:55 PM
Well, that explains a lot.

Could have used Cierre Wood but they were all just special teamers.

I had higher hopes for Montgomery, though. Thought he might have been a draft steal.

Trap_Star
10-21-2013, 01:58 PM
lol Willie Jefferson is on Twitter right now asking people who has a hulu account.

dtran04
10-21-2013, 01:58 PM
Must have been real bad to have been sent home Sunday morning. If I were a betting man, it would be drugs/alcohol.

TheIronDuke
10-21-2013, 01:58 PM
We took Montgomery with our supplemental pick for losing Mario Williams. I call that a FAIL.

cstyle42
10-21-2013, 02:00 PM
"I do not think that means what you think it means."

HAha it means the system had to boot out the so called bad boys!

cstyle42
10-21-2013, 02:00 PM
"I do not think that means what you think it means."

HAha it means the system had to boot out the so called bad boys!

Playoffs
10-21-2013, 02:03 PM
Hookers and blow ?

You know, it better be more than that. These are first year players... still immature. Fine them, suspend them. But train them, teach them. Not every kid out of college was taught how to be a man.

This organization can't afford to throw away potential.

Hell give them to Ed Reed and let him mentor them. Ed's not doing anything else at this time.

HOU-TEX
10-21-2013, 02:03 PM
Well, what else is there? Prostitutes? Missed their bedtime?

Will Grubb ‏@WillGrubbRadio 3m
A source close to Willie Jefferson told me: "There were no substances involved in the violation" #Texans

Will Grubb ‏@WillGrubbRadio 4m
Source also said he was speaking only about Willie's violation. He doesn't have details on the other two. #Texans

wolf123
10-21-2013, 02:04 PM
I hate losing players with potential.. But I guarantee they did something really terrible to get cut.

This has been the season from hell. Only thing that will make it tolerable is for Keenum to show enough to be a starter.

Thorn
10-21-2013, 02:04 PM
They were caught holding down Schaub and twisting his ankle so he couldn't play.

houstonspartan
10-21-2013, 02:09 PM
This has "prostitutes" written all over it.

htowntexans1985
10-21-2013, 02:11 PM
James Palmer @ JPalmerCSN
Sam Montgomery - "I made a childish
mistake." Added no illegal substances
were involved in him breaking #Texans
team rules.

Speedy
10-21-2013, 02:12 PM
So much for Reed maybe moving inside and Jefferson seeing some snaps.

htowntexans1985
10-21-2013, 02:13 PM
Must of had a hankering for some of that Kansas City tenderloin.

RagingBull
10-21-2013, 02:13 PM
Apparently, they were plotting a hit on some guy that was a witness to their last murder and got caught trying to erase the security camera footage while still holding their guns.

Oh, wait...that was at the Patriots team hotel.

drs23
10-21-2013, 02:14 PM
This has "prostitutes" written all over it.

That's what I just heard alluded to on The Blitz but I considered the source. If that's the case guys can get the boot for going to a ta-ta bar and carousing wit tha hoes?

The punishment seems a little stiff. :D

cstyle42
10-21-2013, 02:14 PM
And Sam Montgomery will reach his potential and become a solid pro on a new team?

Yep it all will suddenly make sense in Baltimore or Dallas.

darnbni99a
10-21-2013, 02:16 PM
Just heard on the radio....wow...wonder what they did exactly. Whatever it was this is a dam shame. Was looking forward to seeing Wood get some snaps

houstonhurricane
10-21-2013, 02:16 PM
What an epic failure of a season so far...

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 02:17 PM
Damn, when I saw this thread I was hoping it involved Ed Reed,

Ed Reed should be waived just on the simple fact that he's a heartless armed robber.. every time he shows up to get paid he does so masked and holding a gun. The guy won his SB last year and shut it down and retired.. The Texans are simply paying his social security.

wolf123
10-21-2013, 02:21 PM
It has to do with girls. Think "the love boat" situation in Minnesota. :toropalm:

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 02:21 PM
:toropalm:

They were smoking pot.

b0ng
10-21-2013, 02:22 PM
Damn, when I saw this thread I was hoping it involved Ed Reed,

Ed Reed should be waived just on the simple fact that he's a heartless armed robber.. every time he shows up to get paid he does so masked and holding a gun. The guy won his SB last year and shut it down and retired.. The Texans are simply paying his social security.

I don't even get why you are interjecting this post into this thread.

Rey
10-21-2013, 02:23 PM
Apparently they were smoking in the restroom.

deucetx
10-21-2013, 02:23 PM
That's what I just heard alluded to on The Blitz but I considered the source. If that's the case guys can get the boot for going to a ta-ta bar and carousing wit tha hoes?

The punishment seems a little stiff. :D

That was the Rush and they were just joking around. Solomon said he can't comment til he really finds out from sources so I'll give him credit there. But mroe fun to guess that the guys discovered there was no sex in the champagne room so took the party elsewhere...

WolverineFan
10-21-2013, 02:23 PM
All three had character questions going into the draft. Montgomery was a 1st round guy that fell to the 3rd. Wood and Jefferson were mid-to-late round guys that fell out of the draft.

Not sad to see Montgomery go. Like I said when we took him, it was a horrible pick. He doesn't fit anywhere on the defense.

Jefferson had potential, but I expect us to address OLB next year so does it really matter?

Sucks to see Wood go. I thought he had a lot of potential and could be a long-term #2 for us.

htowntexans1985
10-21-2013, 02:24 PM
you gotta give these young players more latitude, more rope.

This seems like an extreme move. I dont like this zero tolerance policy.

610 is saying that they just smoked cigars in the bathroom after curfew.

Total overreaction by this coaching staff while marciano is still employed.


If that is true, I'd be surprised.

deucetx
10-21-2013, 02:25 PM
:toropalm:

They were smoking pot.

...Yeah I liked our stories more. This makes the Texans look a bit on the ridiculous side.

Texian
10-21-2013, 02:27 PM
This sounds like a Bob McNair decision and it appears Mike Mayock was RIGHT about Sam Montgomery.

htownfan32
10-21-2013, 02:27 PM
I'm only disappointed with Wood, don't really care about the other two. I was beginning to feel like Montgomery was a failed pick.

cstyle42
10-21-2013, 02:27 PM
...Yeah I liked our stories more. This makes the Texans look a bit on the ridiculous side.

They were smoking cigars lol... C'mon maaaaannnnn

TheIronDuke
10-21-2013, 02:29 PM
Not a chance that it wasn't marijuana but I think that that is kind of ridiculous to expel them. But I guess if I was on a business trip and smoked weed in the bathroom I'd probably get canned too.

TheIronDuke
10-21-2013, 02:30 PM
why didnt they smoke by the window?

why go to the bathroom? its just dumb.

Get higher man.

wolf123
10-21-2013, 02:30 PM
Apparently they were smoking in the restroom.

This is not it.

welsh texan
10-21-2013, 02:30 PM
If this is for having hookers in the hotel I just don't get it.

Ok so it'd be a breach of team rules and require some internal discipline etc, but Kubiak goes and shoots himself in the foot, can't help but feel having wood suited up might have been the finite factor needed once our first two rbs went down and we lost by a single point.

Everything I see about this team this season is pointing to needing to move on from smithiak.

Our QB imploding I could forgive him for.

However I feel he's lost his locker room, made a number of shocking offseason moves, stuck by failing players too long, made poor gameday active roster decisions, made poor disciplinary descisions, failed to recognise terrible deficiencies in his oline, and gone on a ridiculous losing streak.

The1ApplePie
10-21-2013, 02:30 PM
Yep it all will suddenly make sense in Baltimore or Dallas.

The Cowboys said they wouldn't touch him in the draft, I doubt they go for him now.

Baring a miracle comeback, the season is over. Might as well ditch a few knuckleheads before they encourage the wraith of the Ginger Hammer

Rey
10-21-2013, 02:31 PM
They said no one on the team actually caught them.

MojoX
10-21-2013, 02:31 PM
listening to 610 right now,

willie jefferson source say they were smoking cigars in the bathroom after curfew, nobody ever came in, but said somebody smelled smoke and told team officials, then officials asked the players to come in.

They are denying it was marijuana.

Excessive punishment if you ask me. You gotta give these guys more leeway.

There is so much we don't know about this. We don't know the story from the Texans side, we just have sources from a player who likely wants to ensure he gets picked up by another team. Moreover, we don't know how many violations these guys have had so far.

At least let the story develop before we use it to fit our pre-defined narratives of organizational ineptitude. We don't need this story to prove that point.

wolf123
10-21-2013, 02:32 PM
I'm telling you right now. They were not kicked off the team because they smoked cigars in the bathroom.

Trap_Star
10-21-2013, 02:33 PM
So three grown men decided to huddle up in a restroom to smoke something not illegal?

badboy
10-21-2013, 02:33 PM
listening to 610 right now,

willie jefferson source say they were smoking cigars in the bathroom after curfew, nobody ever came in, but said somebody smelled smoke and told team officials, then officials asked the players to come in.

They are denying it was marijuana.

Excessive punishment if you ask me. You gotta give these guys more leeway.

NFL players are not cut for smoking tobacco. This is directed to any of you who think players should be given more leniency, why? They know the rules and for two days cannot stay away from girls, booze, or other things that violate team rules? Give me a break. These are not teenagers but young men.

TejasTom
10-21-2013, 02:34 PM
If you are going to have hookers in your room, you have to send one to Kubiak's room too.

wolf123
10-21-2013, 02:36 PM
If you are going to have hookers in your room, you have to send one to Kubiak's room too.

Thats just common courtesy!:gamer:

Exascor
10-21-2013, 02:36 PM
Rick Smith: We smelled smoke coming from your room. You have a choice - submit to a drug test or be waived.

Noodlehead Players: Release us please.

Rey
10-21-2013, 02:36 PM
huh???

Hot box.

But I'm thinking they just thought they were hiding the smell.

htowntexans1985
10-21-2013, 02:37 PM
James Palmer @ JPalmerCSN
Sam Montgomery says he walked into a
hotel room where Jefferson & Wood were
smoking a cigar. Went to team meetings
and was called by Kubiak

BleedsRocketRed
10-21-2013, 02:38 PM
Cigars? Really???

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 02:38 PM
I would've cut them too just on the dumbass factor alone.. I'm a pothead who's not allowed to smoke and feel like there's nothing wrong with marijuana use and it's hypocritical for it to be illegal while Alcohol is.. however the "man" won't allow me to smoke and I have to be able to pass the whiz quiz whenever asked, so I don't and haven't for years, but if I could.. I would, I love pot and miss the hell out of it.

but back to the "dumbass factor", while you're blowing your "smoke" please refrain from trying to blow smoke up my ass too, I refuse to believe three grown men had to go into a hotel bathroom to smoke a "cigar".. You were smoking a freaking sweat, trees, or whatever the hell the kids call them now. You probably got cut on the simple fact that you couldn't man up to begin with. "Me and two other guys went in the bathroom to smoke cigars"... In the old NFL weekend update skit... REALLY?!

fiasco west
10-21-2013, 02:39 PM
yea, they play nfl football, where they hit and tackle someone with a ball.

these guys are not public school teachers, politicians, the president, or the pope.

Fine them. Suspend them. Cutting them completely from the team is utterly excessive. Especially players with potential upside.

I find your draconian zero tolerance policy just ironic,

badboy.

You don't want your players getting high before gameday though.

I suspect they weren't that great to see the field...I mean two of them were UDFAs...

Wade and Kubiak aren't that bad to miss talent and if Jefferson/Montogomery were any good in the first place they would have been in the rotation by now, especially Sam.

As for Wood, that's just his loss.

DBCooper
10-21-2013, 02:39 PM
That's what I just heard alluded to on The Blitz but I considered the source. If that's the case guys can get the boot for going to a ta-ta bar and carousing wit tha hoes?

The punishment seems a little stiff. :D

So was the infraction!

texanhead08
10-21-2013, 02:39 PM
If they are being accused of smoking weed test them on the spot, marijuana stays in your system for 28 days so if they were smoking they would flunk a drug test.

bOODRO87
10-21-2013, 02:40 PM
Sources tell me it was Cigars and an Ouija Board.

CretorFrigg
10-21-2013, 02:43 PM
I wonder if they would've cut Andre Johnson or JJ Watt if they were both caught.

Exascor
10-21-2013, 02:44 PM
If they are being accused of smoking weed test them on the spot, marijuana stays in your system for 28 days so if they were smoking they would flunk a drug test.

See my post above. If I smoked pot I wouldn't submit to a test. You might not get another chance to play in the NFL if you get suspended for drugs as a first year player.

Shaft75
10-21-2013, 02:44 PM
Ironically, I heard this story on 610 while reading how Chris Jones (waived by the Texans) had 2 sacks and 10 tackles yesterday for the Pats. wtf? :toropalm:

Exascor
10-21-2013, 02:45 PM
I wonder if they would've cut Andre Johnson or JJ Watt if they were both caught.

They wouldn't do something this stupid but...no. Stars always get more leeway - rightly so.

WolverineFan
10-21-2013, 02:45 PM
I wonder if they would've cut Andre Johnson or JJ Watt if they were both caught.

Ridiculous hypothetical, no offense.

Neither of those guys would ever be in that situation.

houstonspartan
10-21-2013, 02:46 PM
I would've cut them too just on the dumbass factor alone.. I'm a pothead who's not allowed to smoke and feel like there's nothing wrong with marijuana use and it's hypocritical for it to be illegal while Alcohol is.. however the "man" won't allow me to smoke and I have to be able to pass the whiz quiz whenever asked, so I don't and haven't for years, but if I could.. I would, I love pot and miss the hell out of it.

but back to the "dumbass factor", while you're blowing your "smoke" please refrain from trying to blow smoke up my ass too, I refuse to believe three grown had to go into a hotel bathroom to smoke a "cigar".. You were smoking a freaking sweat, trees, or whatever the hell the kids call them now. You probably got cut on the simple fact that you couldn't man up to begin with. Me and two other guys went in the bathroom to smoke cigars'... In the old NFL weekend update skit... REALLY?!

Agree. If this was a smoking infraction, no was was it a cigar. This was weed. You can often smell it dozens of feet away.

badboy
10-21-2013, 02:47 PM
yea, they play nfl football, where they hit and tackle someone with a ball.

these guys are not public school teachers, politicians, the president, or the pope.

Fine them. Suspend them. Cutting them completely from the team is utterly excessive. Especially players with potential upside.

I find your draconian zero tolerance policy just ironic,

badboy.So if you play football, you get to hang in topless bars, with prostitutes and smoke dope? Why is there an exemption for that? Rules are in place for a reason. How about manning up and following them? Why should athletes get exception? All tennis players do is smack a tiny ball as do golfers, so they by your definition have to obey rules but not football players? Why is my view draconian? The players union agreed to it so live up to it. You sound like the boy who said "if there wasn't a stupid rule I would not have broken it."

TheIronDuke
10-21-2013, 02:47 PM
Ironically, I heard this story on 610 while reading how Chris Jones (waived by the Texans) had 2 sacks and 10 tackles yesterday for the Pats. wtf? :toropalm:

Yeah but he was only a 6th rounder, we needed to keep Montgomery because we wasted a 3rd on his dumb ass.

Shaft75
10-21-2013, 02:47 PM
I wonder if they would've cut Andre Johnson or JJ Watt if they were both caught.

Never would happen, so moot point.

But how crazy would it be to walk in on JJ and Dre burning one??? I don't think any one of us could refuse to join in.

Scooter
10-21-2013, 02:48 PM
philly makes some great cigars. cut them down the middle, add the flavor of your choosing, and share with friends.

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 02:50 PM
I don't even get why you are interjecting this post into this thread.

I already explained why in the post you quoted... "Texans waive players", before I even clicked on the thread or knew anything about it or who it involved I was hoping Reed was one of them (one of the "Texan players waived".. hence why I "interjected" that post into this thread.

So now you know and I hope that clears up the confusion.

TheIronDuke
10-21-2013, 02:57 PM
Edward Reed smokes weed too but it's for his arthritis.

DX-TEX
10-21-2013, 02:57 PM
Wood can be replaced easily: sign Dennis Johnson from Browns practice squad. Also Deji Karim is still out there.

Exascor
10-21-2013, 02:58 PM
did i say reward them for their anarchistic behavior?

I said fine them, suspend them. To completely go zero tolerance and cut them from your team is excessive.

There's more than one way to hold players accountable. Athletic ability, talent, upside, that is what this game is about. That is a valuable commodity. These guys are paid to play football, not be role models.

Punish them but dont cut them.If they smoked pot - they deserved to be cut. You do understand they would have been drug tested and suspended by the NFL eventually anyways right? Playing in the NFL is a privilege. If you can't spend your first year pot-free then enjoy sacking groceries instead of QBs.

TheIronDuke
10-21-2013, 02:58 PM
Wood can be replaced easily: sign Dennis Johnson from Browns practice squad. Also Deji Karim is still out there.

Can we please get the dude who fumbled 4 times in one preseason game? I'm hoping we can figure out how to finish with the worst record in the league so I think he'd be perfect.

Hottoddie
10-21-2013, 02:59 PM
I'm hearing they were in a drunken stupor & caught by Gary, while spanking their monkeys in the hallway over their frustration with not being actived. All would've been handled in house, but unfortunately they were loping their mules outside of Gary's room & he happened to open the door at the worst possible moment. Oops.:tomato: Only, it wasn't tomatos. Gary was seen gesturing :cutthroat: as he went back into his room.

DX-TEX
10-21-2013, 03:02 PM
Can we please get the dude who fumbled 4 times in one preseason game? I'm hoping we can figure out how to finish with the worst record in the league so I think he'd be perfect.

That would be Dennis Joshnon smartass.

Oh and:

Not Gary Kubiak ‏@NotGaryKubiak 18m
When I want to relax with a perfectly legal cigar, generally I call up Schaubby and Marciano and we huddle in a bathroom for some reason.

:toropalm:

TheIronDuke
10-21-2013, 03:05 PM
That would be Dennis Joshnon smartass.

Oh and:



:toropalm:

I know that was Dennis Johnson, he fumbles about as often as he doesn't fumble. I think he'd be perfect for this dumpster fire team Rick has built.

Tailie
10-21-2013, 03:07 PM
Sources tell me it was Cigars and an Ouija Board.

That's bringing the funny right there!! They broke that NFL Texans rule about conjuring up dead people. AND smoking cigars while they did it. Tsk.

CloakNNNdagger
10-21-2013, 03:13 PM
I doubt that there will not be more to this story.........unless Kubiak wanted to activate Wood because of the hamstring issue......and because the incident happened before the announcement of the actives/inactives, he was forced on principle simply to hold him out..........then, Kubiak blows his top because of the RB injuries and game loss..........and waives him.

Hervoyel
10-21-2013, 03:15 PM
I doubt it was about whatever they were (or were not) caught doing Saturday night. This is a sending-a-message move and is probably based on everything that's gone on up until this point in the season. It's cumulative and I'm fine with it. Montgomery was a mistake and I've got no problem with them choosing to move on. Wood and Jefferson weren't anything special and probably weren't improving anymore. They made the team and were enjoying the ride. Probably a little too much.

We need another RB and there are plenty out there. We need help in a lot of other areas where we won't find anyone on the street who can step in and get it done. The season is going nowhere so it's time to get rid of the dead weight and see who wants to take a step forward.

I actually think this is the precursor to big changes around here. I doubt they are things Kubiak wants to do or would have chosen to do but he's going to have to get out of his comfort zone if he's going to salvage anything this year. Should be an interesting 10 weeks coming up.

Honoring Earl 34
10-21-2013, 03:16 PM
Kubiak became suspicious when a dozen of these boxes were outside of their room at midnight .

http://www.grubgrade.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Jacks-Munchie-Meal-from-Jack-in-the-Box.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
10-21-2013, 03:17 PM
Wood can be replaced easily: sign Dennis Johnson from Browns practice squad. Also Deji Karim is still out there.

I thought he was with the Raiders.

CloakNNNdagger
10-21-2013, 03:20 PM
if they are gonna cut these guys for smoking,

they should cut marciano for decade long incompetence.

Marciano has hurt this team more than whatever those guys smoked in that bathroom.


But they're so much better since they gave Marciano an assistant...........:mcnugget:

Playoffs
10-21-2013, 03:22 PM
Cigars? Really???

Not really: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blunt_(cannabis_cigar)

2012Champs
10-21-2013, 03:23 PM
I doubt that there will not be more to this story.........unless Kubiak wanted to activate Wood because of the hamstring issue......and because the incident happened before the announcement of the actives/inactives, he was forced on principle simply to hold him out..........then, Kubiak blows his top because of the RB injuries and game loss..........and waives him.



The chron blog says they were sent home Sunday morning which would have been before the RB injuries

WolverineFan
10-21-2013, 03:27 PM
I thought he was with the Raiders.

He's not listed on their roster. It seems that he's a FA.

Vinny
10-21-2013, 03:28 PM
Picture of Montgomery caught in the act

http://cbs931jackfm.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/snoop-lion.jpg?w=300

TheIronDuke
10-21-2013, 03:37 PM
Hey, if the Texans are going to suck, I like that they're sucking in an entertaining fashion. Keep it up, Boys On Kirby.

V Man
10-21-2013, 03:55 PM
Wood can be replaced easily: sign Dennis Johnson from Browns practice squad. Also Deji Karim is still out there.

I first thought of Jonathan Grimes, he looked good last year in our zone-blocking scheme and was snatched up before he could make the practice squad.

chicagotexan2
10-21-2013, 03:56 PM
I hope Schaub, Marciano and Kubiak violate team rules next week.

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 03:59 PM
if they are gonna cut these guys for smoking,

they should cut marciano for decade long incompetence.

Marciano has hurt this team more than whatever those guys smoked in that bathroom.

Again like I said before.. I highly doubt they were cut for smoking.. I'm sure they're being cut for completely lying about what happened. "dumbass factor" These morons even went to twitter. Three grown men don't walk into a bathroom (I know, sounds like the start to a bad joke) to smoke cigars.

Good riddance :toropalm:

IlliniJen
10-21-2013, 04:00 PM
Kubiak became suspicious when a dozen of these boxes were outside of their room at midnight .

http://www.grubgrade.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Jacks-Munchie-Meal-from-Jack-in-the-Box.jpg

These are marketed specifically to stoners.

What is it called when the tobacco is pulled out of a cigar and pot is put in instead? A splif? Do Swisher Sweets serve any other purpose in life than to be turned into a big ol' pot cigar?

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 04:03 PM
Hey, if the Texans are going to suck, I like that they're sucking in an entertaining fashion. Keep it up, Boys On Kirby.



The Cowboys were winning SB titles and had the "white house"


We talk about "SB or bust" fall to a 2-5 record and apparently have the "out house"

:toropalm: FML!

Honoring Earl 34
10-21-2013, 04:03 PM
These are marketed specifically to stoners.

What is it called when the tobacco is pulled out of a cigar and pot is put in instead? A splif? Do Swisher Sweets serve any other purpose in life than to be turned into a big ol' pot cigar?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/087e53d2d327eae2b18c4f7572e1693e/tumblr_mr7u0v5Zq01sexnlao1_500.gif

Fred
10-21-2013, 04:10 PM
They were caught holding down Schaub and twisting his ankle so he couldn't play.

It was much worse ... They were caught NOT holding Schaub down and twisting his ankle.

gafftop
10-21-2013, 04:22 PM
Wood can be replaced easily: sign Dennis Johnson from Browns practice squad. Also Deji Karim is still out there.

Need a change of pace back, I think.

Porky
10-21-2013, 04:23 PM
I hope Schaub, Marciano and Kubiak violate team rules next week.

If there is a rule against being a loser, they might be in trouble. :devilpig:

utahmark
10-21-2013, 04:24 PM
Hey, if the Texans are going to suck, I like that they're sucking in an entertaining fashion. Keep it up, Boys On Kirby.

Houston teams have always been able to suck with the best of them.

gafftop
10-21-2013, 04:28 PM
Do they count against the cap?

infantrycak
10-21-2013, 04:30 PM
Do they count against the cap?

Only for the money already paid.

PapaL
10-21-2013, 04:32 PM
Sources tell me they were burning...Matt Schaub's jersey in the bathroom.

http://tribkcpq.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/schaub.jpg

gafftop
10-21-2013, 04:32 PM
Create more excuses to gain another year to try and improve.

Maybe appeal to McNair's principals.

I don't really think so but...............

Maybe just taking off gloves and ready to move forward but I think it may be a little late.

ChrisG
10-21-2013, 04:51 PM
http://www.battleredblog.com/2013/10/21/4863176/report-sam-montgomery-cierre-wood-and-willie-jefferson-waived

Must have been one hell of a rule violation. All three players were inactive for the game; they were sent home on Sunday morning-- well before kickoff. This explains why Gary Kubiak would only dress two running backs despite starting Case Keenum for the very first time.

MORE INFO

http://www.battleredblog.com/2013/10/21/4863258/houston-texans-cut-sam-montgomery-cierre-wood-and-willie-jefferson


There better be more to the story. I really like Wood in preseason.

TejasTom
10-21-2013, 04:55 PM
From the press conference today, sounded like this was more of a last straw than an isolated incident.

ChrisG
10-21-2013, 04:57 PM
Who is behind Tate now?

cbs1507
10-21-2013, 04:58 PM
It's just something about Mary.

Malloy
10-21-2013, 05:05 PM
I'll go with stealing towels from the hotel room. :thinking:

They overdid it at the buffet ;)

DX-TEX
10-21-2013, 05:10 PM
Who is behind Tate now?

Matt Schaub

chicagotexan2
10-21-2013, 05:16 PM
Sources tell me they were burning...Matt Schaub's jersey in the bathroom.

http://tribkcpq.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/schaub.jpg

They are not REAL fans.

dtran04
10-21-2013, 05:23 PM
Both Reed and Smith commented how they screwed up. Sounds like whatever it was, it was warranted.

CloakNNNdagger
10-21-2013, 05:35 PM
He's not listed on their roster. It seems that he's a FA.

Looked it up.......you're right. He did come in to tryout with the Raiders and evidently did not make it.

CloakNNNdagger
10-21-2013, 05:48 PM
Ray Graham practicing well now. Tuggle to SAM. Also looking for a returner.

per Deepi

Playoffs
10-21-2013, 06:12 PM
(on the decision to waive the three rookies) “Well, I won’t discuss team rules and those types of things. I’ll make decisions based on a body of work in everything I do. I’ve got five months of work invested in those three young men and made a decision today to move forward. We’ve got some things we need to address as a football team, at the inside linebacker position, our special teams. So we’ve got some moves to make. We’ll take those roster spots and try to make those moves.”
(on if he’s ever waived anybody because of rules violations since he’s been in Houston) “I don’t know. I don’t know. I’ve been here a long time. I don’t know.”
(on if the team violations were a one-time thing or if there had been re-occurring issues) “I said I don’t discuss team rules.”
(on needing to find another running back now and if there’s anyone on the practice squad that might fill that role) “Yeah, we’ve got a young man who we’ve been very impressed with. Ray Graham’s been practicing really well for us. Now, we’ve got some things we’ve got to address. I mentioned two things; inside linebacker is something we’ve got to address as a team right now. (Justin) Tuggle’s going to make a move and go over to the Sam linebacker position behind Brooks (Reed) and work outside. So we’ve got some rebuilding to do inside, with some issues. And we have some special teams issues. The moves we make have got to be special teams oriented to help Joe (Marciano). So that’s some things we’ve got to address here in the next few days.”
(on if practice squad RB Ray Graham is not guaranteed a spot on the roster) I don’t think anything’s guaranteed. We’re looking at a couple of things.”
(on why the move with LB Justin Tuggle with the need at inside linebacker) “I don’t know. With Willie (Jefferson), we’ve got another need for an outside guy. So *Bryan) Braman plays the will and Tuggle becomes the backup Sam. So that gives us our four guys there to work with and obviously (Darryl) Sharpton and Joe (Mays) will work inside. We’ve got (Mike) Mohamed. We activated Mohamed for this game. He played very well for us on special teams. Now, we’ve got a need to get some more inside help. So that’s what we’ll do.”

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Texans-Quotes-October-21/dc17051e-5d9b-4aee-b543-f35a2ba8891a

Spled
10-21-2013, 06:20 PM
Who cares if they smoked pot? The NBA couldn't field a team if they got rid of all the pot smokers.

Exascor
10-21-2013, 06:28 PM
Who cares if they smoked pot? The NBA couldn't field a team if they got rid of all the pot smokers.

Maybe the NFL would care? Maybe?

imatexan
10-21-2013, 06:37 PM
Stupid reason, legalize it.

However also stupid timing decision for the players.

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 06:49 PM
Who cares if they smoked pot? The NBA couldn't field a team if they got rid of all the pot smokers.

It has absolutely nothing to do with caring about smoking pot.. it's about discipline. They were told they could not do "exhibit A" and they still played hanky panky in a bathroom.

This has nothing to do with pot.. since we've already given players chances on this team with drug issues and our owner already came out and said he'd give a player who has a drug record a chance. These players obviously had a previous strike against them and this wreaks of a "That's it, straw breaks back" offense.

I was high as hell on Wood (he looked like Foster 2.0).. Jefferson showed a LOT of potential..even drew Jason Taylor comparisons during this camp. Montgomery always looked like a fat lazy worthless turd, so lets leave him out of this discussion.

I don't care if a team snatches these players up and they become HOF type of players somewhere else.. this is a lessen they needed to learn and it's obvious that they need to grow as men and in the future if this makes them better people, than the Texans made the right decision today.

PapaL
10-21-2013, 07:26 PM
ESPN is reporting it was weed; Sources: Pot reason Texans cut 3 LINK (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9859855/houston-texans-cut-sam-montgomery-cierre-wood-willie-jefferson)

To which I say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bHrJu72_Jg

HoustonFrog
10-21-2013, 07:49 PM
Weird how some think its pot but there are people saying that when they walked into the room they were smoking a cigar. Who knows...maybe that was masking the other smell.

"But, but, but..everyone loves Kubes and they would never do anything to hurt the team and turn on him":rolleyes:

markn
10-21-2013, 07:51 PM
I really like Wood in preseason.

Morning is my favorite.

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 08:17 PM
Weird how some think its pot but there are people saying that when they walked into the room they were smoking a cigar. Who knows...maybe that was masking the other smell.

"But, but, but..everyone loves Kubes and they would never do anything to hurt the team and turn on him":rolleyes:

If rolled right you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a swisher sweet loaded with weed or a simple cigar.

This has nothing to do with Kubes or how the team feels about him, that kind of conspiracy theory would be giving these three dumbasses too much credit.

Trap_Star
10-21-2013, 08:22 PM
Morning is my favorite.

Except when you have to pee really bad. Those are brutal.

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 08:33 PM
Except when you have to pee really bad. Those are brutal.

LMAO.. wow, I think we should probably change the topic

But yeah I agree with you. I just don't know if this is the "yellow" brick road we should trek down :)

Brisco_County
10-21-2013, 08:34 PM
I've spent a good chunk of my life at house parties and hotel parties, and I can tell you this timeless truth about kids: If they're smogging up a small space, it isn't tobacco.

When Kubiak said that he looked at a body of work, it included the players' reputation and team history. Jefferson was arrested after falling asleep at a Taco Bell drive through. Cierre Wood had been disciplined in college. Montgomery had been disciplined at LSU, and he showed up to Texans camp out of shape. Antonio Smith and Swearinger had personally warned him to get it together. The organization had taken a chance on these guys, and they repayed the organization by becoming liabilities. It has nothing to do with losing the locker room or making examples out of people. It's about wasting no more time on people who aren't getting the message.

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 08:42 PM
I've spent a good chunk of my life at house parties and hotel parties, and I can tell you this timeless truth about kids: If they're smogging up a small space, it isn't tobacco.

When Kubiak said that he looked at a body of work, it included the players' reputation and team history. Jefferson was arrested after falling asleep at a Taco Bell drive through. Cierre Wood had been disciplined in college. Montgomery had been disciplined at LSU, and he showed up to Texans camp out of shape. Antonio Smith and Swearinger had personally warned him to get it together. The organization had taken a chance on these guys, and they repayed the organization by becoming liabilities. It has nothing to do with losing the locker room or making examples out of people. It's about wasting no more time on people who aren't getting the message.

Exactly, these morons simply were unwilling to become men and put away childish things.. plain and simple. Not having a 3rd RB active is probably why we even lost against the chiefs.

SW H-TOWN
10-21-2013, 09:02 PM
Still don't know what the hell they were thinking drafting Montgomery in the 3rd to play OLB. Just threw that pick away. At least the other guys were UFA and we have a good track record with selecting/picking up backs who fit our scheme. I hope they move Brooks Reed to ILB and sure up the RT and OLB position next year. We need more pressure coming from the outside.

HoustonFrog
10-21-2013, 09:43 PM
If rolled right you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a swisher sweet loaded with weed or a simple cigar.

This has nothing to do with Kubes or how the team feels about him, that kind of conspiracy theory would be giving these three dumbasses too much credit.

I agree with all that you've said. I was just being a smart-a because in the past anything that happened good or bad was some how spun to where Kubiak had some zen like control of the team and they would die for him. i.e. see McNairs comments after this game.

TheIronDuke
10-21-2013, 09:46 PM
Still don't know what the hell they were thinking drafting Montgomery in the 3rd to play OLB. Just threw that pick away. At least the other guys were UFA and we have a good track record with selecting/picking up backs who fit our scheme. I hope they move Brooks Reed to ILB and sure up the RT and OLB position next year. We need more pressure coming from the outside.

I agree with this but my concern is that this team has been completely unable to draft defensive talent outside of the first round. Can't draft good CBs or LBs or anything really. Well, we drafted one good lineman in the sixth but the pats are getting the benefits of that one.

MEGA SWATT
10-21-2013, 11:44 PM
How dumb are these guys?

Brisco_County
10-22-2013, 12:20 AM
How dumb are these guys?

Hopefully a little less dumb after this experience.

Scooter
10-22-2013, 12:38 AM
two OLB's on a wade phillips defense, and a UDFA runningback who just had both guys ahead of him go down with injuries. it takes a special kind of stupid to blow that kind of opportunity. you know you have a history, you know you dont get any strikes ... and yet you cant resist temptation long enough to become a millionaire by playing a game.

ObsiWan
10-22-2013, 12:38 AM
listening to 610 right now,

willie jefferson source say they were smoking cigars in the bathroom after curfew, nobody ever came in, but said somebody smelled smoke and told team officials, then officials asked the players to come in.

They are denying it was marijuana.

Excessive punishment if you ask me. You gotta give these guys more leeway.

So if you play football, you get to hang in topless bars, with prostitutes and smoke dope? Why is there an exemption for that? Rules are in place for a reason. How about manning up and following them? Why should athletes get exception? All tennis players do is smack a tiny ball as do golfers, so they by your definition have to obey rules but not football players? Why is my view draconian? The players union agreed to it so live up to it. You sound like the boy who said "if there wasn't a stupid rule I would not have broken it."

I'm with badboy on this. Dudes get a rule book before the season and agree to abide by it when they sign the contract. I'd bet the vets have told them what things would get them fined and what things would get them cut somewhere along the way. They decided to ignore the rules they signed up for and chose do what they wanted to do. Now they paid the price. No sympathy from me.

From the press conference today, sounded like this was more of a last straw than an isolated incident.

I was thinking this same thing. We never hear about the internal fines until something like this - guys actually getting cut - happens. I was wondering to myself if this was their first offense or their fourth or fifth. The "leeway" some folks are asking for may have already been extended and they came to the end of their ropes.

And it speaks to their lack of discipline too. If you can't be disciplined off the field (the freakin' night before the game for cripes sake!), how can your teammates depend on you having discipline on the field??

ObsiWan
10-22-2013, 12:50 AM
It has absolutely nothing to do with caring about smoking pot.. it's about discipline. They were told they could not do "exhibit A" and they still played hanky panky in a bathroom.

This has nothing to do with pot.. since we've already given players chances on this team with drug issues and our owner already came out and said he'd give a player who has a drug record a chance. These players obviously had a previous strike against them and this wreaks of a "That's it, straw breaks back" offense.

I was high as hell on Wood (he looked like Foster 2.0).. Jefferson showed a LOT of potential..even drew Jason Taylor comparisons during this camp. Montgomery always looked like a fat lazy worthless turd, so lets leave him out of this discussion.

I don't care if a team snatches these players up and they become HOF type of players somewhere else.. this is a lessen they needed to learn and it's obvious that they need to grow as men and in the future if this makes them better people, than the Texans made the right decision today.

Former Viking & HoF'er Cris Carter will tell anyone that will listen that he was going down this road until Buddy Ryan cut him for this kind of crap. It woke him up and set him on the path to being a real man. Sometimes it takes a two-by-four across the noggin to get a guy's attention.

I've spent a good chunk of my life at house parties and hotel parties, and I can tell you this timeless truth about kids: If they're smogging up a small space, it isn't tobacco.

When Kubiak said that he looked at a body of work, it included the players' reputation and team history. Jefferson was arrested after falling asleep at a Taco Bell drive through. Cierre Wood had been disciplined in college. Montgomery had been disciplined at LSU, and he showed up to Texans camp out of shape. Antonio Smith and Swearinger had personally warned him to get it together. The organization had taken a chance on these guys, and they repayed the organization by becoming liabilities. It has nothing to do with losing the locker room or making examples out of people. It's about wasting no more time on people who aren't getting the message.

Reps to you both.

Insideop
10-22-2013, 03:52 AM
Montgomery should have never been drafted.

^^^^^ This!^^^^^

And to think that pick was the extra pick we got for losing Mario in FA. In other words, we got nothing in return! Makes me sick! What a waste!

Scooter
10-22-2013, 04:00 AM
Montgomery should have never been drafted.

very disappointed with sam. the talent was there. i really thought that he could have made a solid pair with williams - a heavy olb and a pass rusher. montgomery couldnt care less about the game and i actually had to look up williams because i'd forgotten his name. wasted talent.

what's really funny is the comments on NFL.com regarding this story, fans of several teams wanting him. some folks just dont pay attention.

Bulls on Parade
10-22-2013, 04:09 AM
Ray Graham practicing well now. Tuggle to SAM. Also looking for a returner.

per Deepi
I'm so excited. I enjoyed watching him at Pittsburgh last year. I also thought he did pretty good in the preseason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q75pYDYKeU

Ray Graham has a chance to develop. He was my favorite RB in college football last year. My second favorite? Zac Stacy who had some good runs against us when the Rams came to town.

Guys like Ray Graham and Zac Stacy have heart and work hard.

Cierre Wood blew a great opportunity. I'm glad his ass is gone.

Here is Ray Graham's Texans Touchdown in the preseason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2tjQ0ahMUM

Keenum handing it off to him. Could have used him last game and we may have beaten the Chiefs. Ray Graham would have found a way to score on that second and goal at the half yard line. The play Greg Jones lost yards on.

CloakNNNdagger
10-22-2013, 12:00 PM
If these players WERE caught with weed (and especially if not for the first time, and on top of dogging it in the classroom and practice field), Kubiak may have cut them now, knowing that they were heading for NFL league suspension anyway. Of course, only speculating.

Double Barrel
10-22-2013, 12:08 PM
These players are obviously not Houston Texans worthy.

What a shame. Their careers, like the Texans 2013 season, goes up in smoke. :howdy:

drs23
10-22-2013, 02:01 PM
listening to 610 right now,

willie jefferson source say they were smoking cigars in the bathroom after curfew, nobody ever came in, but said somebody smelled smoke and told team officials, then officials asked the players to come in.

They are denying it was marijuana.

Excessive punishment if you ask me. You gotta give these guys more leeway.

Sure they are. Ever heard of a blunt? My money is on that's what went down. IF it's ever made public I bet we'll find out there was a "little kick" in those cigars. Not trying to start a stereotype "hood" thing but that's what my gut is telling me. If I've heard/read correctly in the past, once they take the TCH test at the beginning of the season they're not tested for weed again.

I smell a blunt.

Even if I'm wrong it was just dumb.

CloakNNNdagger
10-22-2013, 02:48 PM
Sure they are. Ever heard of a blunt? My money is on that's what went down. IF it's ever made public I bet we'll find out there was a "little kick" in those cigars. Not trying to start a stereotype "hood" thing but that's what my gut is telling me. If I've heard/read correctly in the past, once they take the TCH test at the beginning of the season they're not tested for weed again.

I smell a blunt.

Even if I'm wrong it was just dumb.

I'm not thinking you're wrong.

http://weedsmokersguide.com/pictures/Roll-A-Joint-Blunt.jpg

And it comes with instructions to conceal the smell:kubepalm::wadepalm::



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houstonspartan
10-22-2013, 05:02 PM
Sure they are. Ever heard of a blunt? My money is on that's what went down. IF it's ever made public I bet we'll find out there was a "little kick" in those cigars. Not trying to start a stereotype "hood" thing but that's what my gut is telling me. If I've heard/read correctly in the past, once they take the TCH test at the beginning of the season they're not tested for weed again.

I smell a blunt.

Even if I'm wrong it was just dumb.

Yep. That's what I'm thinking, too.

Can't imagine anyone getting canned over smoking a cigar.

Blunt.

Hervoyel
10-22-2013, 07:47 PM
Should have gone with "The Jeffrey".

Dishman
10-22-2013, 07:48 PM
Yep. That's what I'm thinking, too.

Can't imagine anyone getting canned over smoking a cigar.

Blunt.

More than just the cigar, 3 grown men huddled in the bathroom smoking a cigar? Very odd. As if they couldn't step outside to enjoy that cigar? And only one for all 3? Never shared a cigar with anyone, but shared plenty of the other.

CloakNNNdagger
10-22-2013, 08:23 PM
More than just the cigar, 3 grown men huddled in the bathroom smoking a cigar? Very odd. As if they couldn't step outside to enjoy that cigar? And only one for all 3? Never shared a cigar with anyone, but shared plenty of the other.

Bathroom? Makes for good conversation. "Ill show you mine, if you show me yours.":rake:

msbbc833
10-22-2013, 11:38 PM
So they went unclaimed through the waiver period. Does this mean that other teams deemed them unworthy or can they still get picked up by other teams? Also how long is that waiver period?

CloakNNNdagger
10-23-2013, 06:16 AM
So they went unclaimed through the waiver period. Does this mean that other teams deemed them unworthy or can they still get picked up by other teams? Also how long is that waiver period?

The waiver period is 24 hours. After that, if they have not been claimed, they are FAs and can negotiate with any team.

ChampionTexan
10-23-2013, 06:52 AM
The waiver period is 24 hours. After that, if they have not been claimed, they are FAs and can negotiate with any team.

True, but each one of them was under contract for the rookie minimum, so if nobody was willing to pick up those contracts, there's no reason to believe they'd be interested after they cleared waivers (ie: they'll never be cheaper then they were off the waiver wire).

Uncle Rico
10-23-2013, 08:24 AM
They should have just snorted lines of coke all night long like any decent celebrity, I mean no skunky smell and it would be out of the system in 3 days.

Silly kids they should have known not to mess with the most awful of all "drugs" the maryjuana. How much tax money is spent fighting this awful, highly addictive and certain averdose causing plant, er I mean drug?

Those kids will find a team who has the wherewithal to get them some counseling, minor "rehab" and then put them back out there. Not the high and mighty Houston Texans we win our championships with guys who only pop steroids and go to church after every practice.

<sarc>

TheIronDuke
10-23-2013, 08:42 AM
True, but each one of them was under contract for the rookie minimum, so if nobody was willing to pick up those contracts, there's no reason to believe they'd be interested after they cleared waivers (ie: they'll never be cheaper then they were off the waiver wire).

I'd be shocked if at least Wood doesn't get picked up. I would think the Cowboys would be very interested.

ChampionTexan
10-23-2013, 08:55 AM
I'd be shocked if at least Wood doesn't get picked up. I would think the Cowboys would be very interested.

Then why wouldn't they just claim him off of waivers?

michaelm
10-23-2013, 08:56 AM
Should have gone with "The Jeffrey".

MSR for the Get Him to the Greek ref.

michaelm
10-23-2013, 09:02 AM
I'm so excited. I enjoyed watching him at Pittsburgh last year. I also thought he did pretty good in the preseason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q75pYDYKeU

Ray Graham has a chance to develop. He was my favorite RB in college football last year. My second favorite? Zac Stacy who had some good runs against us when the Rams came to town.

Guys like Ray Graham and Zac Stacy have heart and work hard.

Cierre Wood blew a great opportunity. I'm glad his ass is gone.

Here is Ray Graham's Texans Touchdown in the preseason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2tjQ0ahMUM

Keenum handing it off to him. Could have used him last game and we may have beaten the Chiefs. Ray Graham would have found a way to score on that second and goal at the half yard line. The play Greg Jones lost yards on.


I don't know much about Graham, and didn't really focus on him in preseason. In the college highlight video you posted, he showed outstanding lateral movement. Has he recovered that movement since his knee injury?
It clearly seems to be his strength. If he is anywhere close to 100% compared to the vid you posted, he might have the best lateral movement of any RB to ever put on a Texans uniform, TBH.
He looks like a perfect one-cut runner for our system.

TheIronDuke
10-23-2013, 09:05 AM
Then why wouldn't they claim him off of waivers?

I have no idea, I was just saying that I couldn't imagine at least Cierre Wood not getting picked up. I wasn't arguing that you were wrong or anything.

But if these 3 guys leave and don't get picked up by anyone, what does that say about the quality of our team?

ChampionTexan
10-23-2013, 09:11 AM
I have no idea, I was just saying that I couldn't imagine at least Cierre Wood not getting picked up. I wasn't arguing that you were wrong or anything.

But if these 3 guys leave and don't get picked up by anyone, what does that say about the quality of our team?

The only reason I can even conceive of that would cause them to pass on waivers and sign them immediately is if claiming them off waivers denies them the right to require a physical and drug test, and signing them off the street gives them that right.

If that's the case (and I honestly don't know if it is), the it would be a pretty compelling reason under the circumstances.

HOU-TEX
10-23-2013, 10:48 AM
Should have gone with "The Jeffrey".

Lol. When life hands you a Jeffrey....rub the furry wall

Gotta spread the rep

bhsman
10-23-2013, 11:36 PM
For what it's worth:

Montgomery passes drug test after being released (http://fansided.com/2013/10/23/sam-montgomery-passes-drug-test-days-texans-release-allegedly-smoking-marijuana/):

Sam Montgomery’s release from the Houston Texans was not due to marijuana use, as has been reported by ESPN.com. The former LSU Tigers star was among three rookies released by Houston for a team violation prior to the game against the Kansas City Chiefs.

Following his release, Montgomery voluntarily submitted to an independent drug test in order to provide further proof and evidence that he was not using illegal drugs. The results of those tests came back negative, confirming his statement that he was not using marijuana or illegal substances.

This isn't to say that Montgomery didn't do anything else that would make getting caught smoking weed (or assuming as much) the final straw, but it's another wrinkle in the story.

In any case, it sucks to see Montgomery cut, both for his status as a third rounder and as a senior at LSU in 2011 who watched him tear up. Hope he finds a good team to sign with; preferably a 4-3 where he's naturally suited...

Rey
10-24-2013, 07:26 AM
For what it's worth:

Montgomery passes drug test after being released (http://fansided.com/2013/10/23/sam-montgomery-passes-drug-test-days-texans-release-allegedly-smoking-marijuana/):



This isn't to say that Montgomery didn't do anything else that would make getting caught smoking weed (or assuming as much) the final straw, but it's another wrinkle in the story.

In any case, it sucks to see Montgomery cut, both for his status as a third rounder and as a senior at LSU in 2011 who watched him tear up. Hope he finds a good team to sign with; preferably a 4-3 where he's naturally suited...


If that's accurate, good for Sam.

gafftop
10-24-2013, 07:41 AM
For what it's worth:

Montgomery passes drug test after being released (http://fansided.com/2013/10/23/sam-montgomery-passes-drug-test-days-texans-release-allegedly-smoking-marijuana/):



This isn't to say that Montgomery didn't do anything else that would make getting caught smoking weed (or assuming as much) the final straw, but it's another wrinkle in the story.

In any case, it sucks to see Montgomery cut, both for his status as a third rounder and as a senior at LSU in 2011 who watched him tear up. Hope he finds a good team to sign with; preferably a 4-3 where he's naturally suited...

Heard theory on radio yesterday that they cut Montgomery at same time so they could cover up that they blew the pick. After the above info this sounds more plausible. I still think they are scrambling to save their job. Many of these actions probably should have been done earlier in season or during preseason. We all know this regime is very SLOW and slow to act. Joe still here. Kubiak still here. etc....

silvrhand
10-24-2013, 11:16 AM
For what it's worth:

Montgomery passes drug test after being released (http://fansided.com/2013/10/23/sam-montgomery-passes-drug-test-days-texans-release-allegedly-smoking-marijuana/):



This isn't to say that Montgomery didn't do anything else that would make getting caught smoking weed (or assuming as much) the final straw, but it's another wrinkle in the story.

In any case, it sucks to see Montgomery cut, both for his status as a third rounder and as a senior at LSU in 2011 who watched him tear up. Hope he finds a good team to sign with; preferably a 4-3 where he's naturally suited...

Did the team officially release a statement that they were released for drug reasons? Or is it still all twitter based backroom sources?

Exascor
10-24-2013, 11:18 AM
Did the team officially release a statement that they were released for drug reasons? Or is it still all twitter based backroom sources?

No they didn't and they never will.

Norg
10-24-2013, 11:21 AM
the ship is falling apart prob did these players a favor releasing them now other teams can swoop up and take them

bOODRO87
10-24-2013, 11:22 AM
At least one of those players will go somewhere else and become a worthy player.

Brisco_County
10-24-2013, 11:24 AM
Heard theory on radio yesterday that they cut Montgomery at same time so they could cover up that they blew the pick. After the above info this sounds more plausible. I still think they are scrambling to save their job. Many of these actions probably should have been done earlier in season or during preseason. We all know this regime is very SLOW and slow to act. Joe still here. Kubiak still here. etc....

Agreed, it's possible that this was the most convenient way to cut him. I had initially been excited about the Montgomery pick, then I saw how slow off the LOS he was in college and preseason. I might be something that couldn't be corrected.

bhsman
10-24-2013, 11:29 AM
THis has been covered already, but Sam wasn't slow off the snap in college but asked to key off of the tackle he lined up against; look at his sacks against Clemson and you'll see what he does when allowed to key off the snap.

CloakNNNdagger
10-24-2013, 12:08 PM
If that's accurate, good for Sam.


http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/10/drugresults2.jpg


I am very familiar with E-screen testing. It’s uniqueness is that it is a closed system which once the specimen is in the specialized cup, it is thoroughly tested within the cup without this specialized cup requiring to be opened and handled by multiple personnel in the testing process. This minimizes lab error. However, in its many options, it does not assure that the specimen submitted was from that individual. None of collection centers require that a donor strips prior to the donation, which is done in a private room without observation. In other words, there is no guarantee by the company that the specimen was not substituted for someone else’s.

[FYI, E-screen does not test for any PEDs besides amphetamines}

bhsman
10-24-2013, 01:14 PM
Haha, well that's not entirely encouraging but I appreciate it all the same. Thanks, Doc. :)

houstonspartan
10-24-2013, 01:23 PM
Heard theory on radio yesterday that they cut Montgomery at same time so they could cover up that they blew the pick. After the above info this sounds more plausible. I still think they are scrambling to save their job. Many of these actions probably should have been done earlier in season or during preseason. We all know this regime is very SLOW and slow to act. Joe still here. Kubiak still here. etc....

I'm confused. Why would they cut someone just to "cover up" that they blew a pick? They've had many bad draft picks over the years.

If anything, these cuts were made to open up roster spots so they could bring in more people. This team is in full panic mode, and are desperately trying to salvage this year.

michaelm
10-24-2013, 02:14 PM
I'm confused. Why would they cut someone just to "cover up" that they blew a pick? They've had many bad draft picks over the years.

If anything, these cuts were made to open up roster spots so they could bring in more people. This team is in full panic mode, and are desperately trying to salvage this year.

Any players they pick up will be special teamers and spot relief at best, so I am hoping they raid a bunch of practice squads with the sole intention of adding speed to the team.

steelbtexan
10-24-2013, 02:40 PM
Any players they pick up will be special teamers and spot relief at best, so I am hoping they raid a bunch of practice squads with the sole intention of adding speed to the team.

We can only hope, but why do I get the feeling that you could give coach Joe 11 pro bowlers and the ST's would still stink.

Do these guys hurt the Texans chances of winning? If yes they shouldn't have been cut. But at 2-5 I believe we know the answer is no, so cutting dead weight is how I look at this situation.

If this were Foster or Watt do you think they would've been cut? If you're a fringe player you have to toe the line. If you dont, you get cut.

Rey
10-24-2013, 02:57 PM
http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/10/drugresults2.jpg


I am very familiar with E-screen testing. It’s uniqueness is that it is a closed system which once the specimen is in the specialized cup, it is thoroughly tested within the cup without this specialized cup requiring to be opened and handled by multiple personnel in the testing process. This minimizes lab error. However, in its many options, it does not assure that the specimen submitted was from that individual. None of collection centers require that a donor strips prior to the donation, which is done in a private room without observation. In other words, there is no guarantee by the company that the specimen was not substituted for someone else’s.

[FYI, E-screen does not test for any PEDs besides amphetamines}

Yep....that's why I threw that "if" in there. Lots of ways to beat these drug tests....

WolverineFan
10-24-2013, 03:21 PM
Did the team officially release a statement that they were released for drug reasons? Or is it still all twitter based backroom sources?

I read an article the other day (ESPN I think) that said, per the new CBA, a team could not release a player for drug related offenses such as failing a drug test. Not sure what they were doing though so not sure what the policy is for whatever it is they are accused of doing.

Gotta love those team rules man.

thunderkyss
10-24-2013, 08:50 PM
http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/10/drugresults2.jpg

...there is no guarantee by the company that the specimen was not substituted for someone else’s.


Does Sam have a cousin named Sidney that has a close family resemblance?

CloakNNNdagger
10-24-2013, 08:58 PM
Does Sam have a cousin named Sidney that has a close family resemblance?

His full name is Sidney Sammual Montgomery. He is usually called "Sam"..........and sometimes (from LSU days) "Sonic Sam."

TejasTom
10-24-2013, 09:30 PM
I don't see where they tested for heart or brains but they would probably be negative also.

texanhead08
10-25-2013, 12:22 AM
We can only hope, but why do I get the feeling that you could give coach Joe 11 pro bowlers and the ST's would still stink.

Do these guys hurt the Texans chances of winning? If yes they shouldn't have been cut. But at 2-5 I believe we know the answer is no, so cutting dead weight is how I look at this situation.

If this were Foster or Watt do you think they would've been cut? If you're a fringe player you have to toe the line. If you dont, you get cut.

You should always remember there is not such thing as average with baggage. You remember Ocho Cinco's antics with the Bengals he was a very productive player then you remember he got cut in Miami after the episode with his wife. He wasn't the same player so you don't put up with him breaking the law then.

Norg
10-25-2013, 12:24 AM
how can u blow a 3rd round pick seriously Rick is a idiot

NCTexan
10-25-2013, 08:46 AM
how can u blow a 3rd round pick seriously Rick is a idiot

Teams blow first round picks all the time, and that's supposed to be the sure fire one.

houstonspartan
10-25-2013, 10:02 AM
Teams blow first round picks all the time, and that's supposed to be the sure fire one.

Yep. I'm at the point where I barely watch the first round draft anymore. The second and third rounds are where teams are built.

Dutchrudder
10-25-2013, 10:46 AM
Yep. I'm at the point where I barely watch the first round draft anymore. The second and third rounds are where teams are built.

Not this one...

CloakNNNdagger
10-25-2013, 11:52 AM
Pretty obvious, we're not going to be signing any elite players. But if we don't sign some players soon, they will be learning the playbook at the same time that they are already supposed to know it.............while on the practice field for the first time. Even if they were on the team preseason, the playbook will have changed and/or expanded significantly since then. Tick, tock, tick tock, tick, tock.......

Blake
10-25-2013, 12:10 PM
...searching for available ex bronco and redskins players...

CloakNNNdagger
10-25-2013, 12:23 PM
Sad state of affairs re. our 2013 draft class.

And it's way too early to determine how they did in the 2013 draft. But aside from a few guys, this year's draft class isn't off to a good start.

Only three of the nine picks are on the 53-man roster. Four of the players are on Injured Reserve. And two are off the team entirely.

Here's a look at each player:

1 (27): WR DeAndre Hopkins
Hopkins has been the best draft pick receiver through seven games. He has the second-most catches of rookie receivers and the most reception yards. The young 21-year-old might be tough on himself, but appears to have a very bright future in the NFL.

2 (57): SS D.J. Swearinger
Swearinger made his first start against the Chiefs in place of the injured Danieal Manning and played very well. Swearinger will continue to start for the rest of the season and has a chance to have some real growth. Playing primarily in the dime package for the first six weeks, the safety made some rookie mistakes but made some plays too.

3 (89): OT Brennan Williams
The tackle from North Carolina has been injured for almost his entire time with the Texans. Before the season, he was placed on Injured Reserve and needed microfracture surgery, which is a major operation and requires a lengthy recovery process. Earlier this week, Williams tweeted that he is finally out of his leg brace but he still has a long way to go.

3 (95): OLB/DE Sam Montgomery
Montgomery showed up and hurt his back at rookie minicamp and his conditioning came into question further when he showed up to training camp out of shape. He never fit as an outside linebacker so the Texans moved him to defensive end. But after being inactive for seven games, the Texans cut him the day after the Chiefs game for breaking team rules.

4 (124): OLB Trevardo Williams
Williams stared to show a glimmer of hope after an awful training camp but then got injured and was placed on IR before the season. We haven’t really seen enough to know that Williams won’t ever be an NFL linebacker. But we haven’t see enough to say he will be either.

6 (176): OT David Quessenberry
The sixth-rounder from San Jose State looked like he might have been a steal but broke his foot the week leading into the season opener. He was placed on the IR and his season was over. The Texans could have used him this year, with Duane Brown’s getting injured and Derek Newton’s struggling. Quessenberry is out of the boot on his foot but still has a while to go.

6 (195): WR Alan Bonner
Bonner’s injury was the least serious of the draft picks to hit the Injured Reserve. He had a nagging hamstring injury that eventually sent him to the IR at final cuts. He’ll be completely healed for next season and they’ll try it again. He’ll be like a redshirt player, with a year of the playbook under his belt.

6 (198): DL Chris Jones
Jones was cut when the team got the roster down to 53. Instead of Jones, they kept Terrell McClain and the oft-inactive Tim Jamison. Jones was picked up by the Buccaneers on waivers. When the Bucs waived him, the Patriots swooped in and gave him a home. Jones did have an unfortunate special teams penalty recently but has 3.5 sacks in the last three weeks. That's more than all but two Texans (J.J. Watt and Whitney Mercilus) have all season.

6 (201): TE Ryan Griffin
Griffin is the third member of the draft class to remain on the 53-man roster. He played sparingly on offense through the first five games of the season (no more than four snaps in any game). But since Owen Daniels fractured his fibula, Griffin has moved up to be the second tight end and has played 33 and 17 snaps in the past two weeks. He has two catches on eight targets this season.link (http://www.csnhouston.com/football-houston-texans/talk/look-draft-picks-through-bye)

TheIronDuke
10-25-2013, 01:57 PM
Not this one...

I made the point that this team blows second round picks almost every time in our history but Carr Bombed completely disagreed and said it's one of our most successful rounds we draft in, lol.

infantrycak
10-25-2013, 02:24 PM
I made the point that this team blows second round picks almost every time in our history but Carr Bombed completely disagreed and said it's one of our most successful rounds we draft in, lol.

2006 - DeMeco - home run.
2007 - none.
2008 - none.
2009 - Barwin - a guy who goes to a 6 year $36 mil 2nd contract is not a bust - just not a home run.
2010 - Tate - good RB who will get a good 2nd contract - not a bust.
2011 - Reed - solid player, not a bust. Harris - bust.
2012 - None.
2013 - Swearinger - too soon but certainly not a bust yet.

Where is this "almost every time" you are laughing at people about?

TheIronDuke
10-25-2013, 02:52 PM
2006 - DeMeco - home run.
2007 - none.
2008 - none.
2009 - Barwin - a guy who goes to a 6 year $36 mil 2nd contract is not a bust - just not a home run.
2010 - Tate - good RB who will get a good 2nd contract - not a bust.
2011 - Reed - solid player, not a bust. Harris - bust.
2012 - None.
2013 - Swearinger - too soon but certainly not a bust yet.

Where is this "almost every time" you are laughing at people about?

First I said in our entire history, and you conveniently left off a few picks there.

Second, if you think picking up one good player in 7 years at a draft spot "good" then that's your problem. You're not supposed to get ho hum, not busts in the second round, you're supposed to get contributors and play-makers.

Now act like you don't get all high and mighty all the time and call me out for laughing "at" someone, I was laughing at the IDEA of saying we draft well in the second round. If your idea of good 2nd rounders is "not bust" then you're following the perfect team for you. I guess I think we could be doing better, like maybe getting more than ONE guy we offer a contract extension to to keep him here. Oh, and dude, Reed is a huge bust give me a break.

infantrycak
10-25-2013, 03:06 PM
First I said in our entire history, and you conveniently left off a few picks there.

I ignored the silliness of trying to act like a 2nd round pattern exists over two entirely different regimes. But the prior regime had two positive picks and one negative (due to injury).

Second, if you think picking up one good player in 7 years at a draft spot "good" then that's your problem. You're not supposed to get ho hum, not busts in the second round, you're supposed to get contributors and play-makers.

So now you want to play a semantic game of retreat? You said blown picks. Getting good solid players is not blowing picks.

You exaggerated plain and simple.

I guess I think we could be doing better, like maybe getting more than ONE guy we offer a contract extension to to keep him here.

You can ONE for emphasis all you want and just make it worse. Only TWO have come up for contract extensions. One got one and the other got a bigger payday on the open market (and we don't know the Texans didn't make him an offer). You'd be bitching up a storm if the Texans had paid Barwin like the Eagles.

Dutchrudder
10-25-2013, 03:38 PM
I made the point that this team blows second round picks almost every time in our history but Carr Bombed completely disagreed and said it's one of our most successful rounds we draft in, lol.

Don't leave out the 3rd round, there's plenty to complain about. Pick history (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/history?year=-1&round=-1&team=34&college=-1&x=42&y=21&position=-1&procoach=-1&highschoolstate=-1&award=-1&collegecoach=-1&highschool=-1)

Brennan Williams, OT from UNC. The injured OT fell in the draft due to injury, and then gets injured in the first two weeks of rookie camp. Nobody could have seen that coming.

Sam Montgomery, DE from LSU. Said to have a lazy attitude and bad work ethic at LSU. He gets booted from the team for toking up the night before a game, cause getting high is more important that making millions in the NFL. Nobody could have seen that coming.

DeVier Posey, WR from tOSU. Dude missed most of the season for NCAA violations. Nobody saw this pick coming and most draft sites had him rated as a 5-6th rounder. Kubiak pulled a Kubiak and outsmarted everyone with this clearly awesome pick.

Brandon Brooks, OG from Miami. He came into camp overweight and kind of out of shape, but he has worked hard and looks like a potential starter at guard! Wooooohooooooo!

Earl Mitchell, DT from Arizona. Didn't do much the first year or two, but now he's our starter in the middle of the D. Rarely ever gets double-teamed, and doesn't do much to collapse the pocket. Probably should have been drafted in the 5th, but whatever. He's a starter, so that's good right?

Antoine Caldwell, OG Bama. Is this guy even in the league anymore?

Antwaun Molden, CB from St Luke's. Poor guy just riddled with injuries. Sucks, but he's a bust.

Steve Slaton, RB from Hillbillyland. If this guy isn't the posterboy for the plug-and-play-RB-in-a-ZBS argument, I don't know who is.

Jacoby Jones, WR from Lane. Probowl returner and nearly the Super Bowl MVP once he left this team. Makes you wonder if all these lackluster picks are a product of their lack of talent, or lack of coaching. Probably both.

Charles Spencer, OT from Pitt. Could have been good, but injury derailed his career. Too bad :(

Eric Winston, Caveman from Miami. Never missed a game for us, played pretty well overall at OT. Solid pick for sure, but we cut him because our GM didn't want to offend him by discussing a paycut or restructure. Congrats Rick, you are a gentleman and a scholar, cavemen for generations will tell tales of your nobility.

Vernand Morency - I don't even know who this is, so I'm gonna stop here.


You can ONE for emphasis all you want and just make it worse. Only TWO have come up for contract extensions. One got one and the other got a bigger payday on the open market (and we don't know the Texans didn't make him an offer). You'd be bitching up a storm if the Texans had paid Barwin like the Eagles.

I would have been happy to keep Barwin for the salary structure he got from the Eagles. The dude makes like 6m over the first 2 years, and will be cut year 3 for sure. The 6 years 36m number is specious at best, he would need to become Demarcus Ware to earn that cash.

infantrycak
10-25-2013, 04:00 PM
Here are the Patriots for comparison on 2nd round picks:

2012 - Tavon Austin - spot player, still early.
2011 - Ras Dowling - bust. Shane Vareen - spot relief.
2010 - Gronk - great player with injury problems. Jermaine Cunningham - bust.
2009 - Ron Brace - barely on the team. Darius Butler - bust. Vollmer - looked great but now injury plagued.
2008 - Terrance Wheatley - bust.
2007 - none.
2006 - Chad Jackson - bust.

Dutchrudder
10-25-2013, 04:30 PM
Here are the Patriots for comparison on 2nd round picks:

2012 - Tavon Austin - spot player, still early.
2011 - Ras Dowling - bust. Shane Vareen - spot relief.
2010 - Gronk - great player with injury problems. Jermaine Cunningham - bust.
2009 - Ron Brace - barely on the team. Darius Butler - bust. Vollmer - looked great but now injury plagued.
2008 - Terrance Wheatley - bust.
2007 - none.
2006 - Chad Jackson - bust.

Nice job leaving off guys like Patrick Chung, Brandon Spikes, and recent additions Jamie Collins and Aaron Dobson. Chung got 3m a year from the Eagles and plays about 50% of defensive plays for them. Spikes plays about 50% of D plays for NE, Dobson plays about 50% of O plays for NE and he's a rookie. Not exactly worthless or groundbreaking, but depth is nice to have when guys like Amendola go down.

Sebastian Vollmer is starting for them this season and has played nearly every snap on O.

Gronk got them to a Super Bowl. Injuries or not, he's worth a 1st round pick right now. Dude is a beast and well worth the selection.

TheIronDuke
10-25-2013, 04:35 PM
Here are the Patriots for comparison on 2nd round picks:

2012 - Tavon Austin - spot player, still early.
2011 - Ras Dowling - bust. Shane Vareen - spot relief.
2010 - Gronk - great player with injury problems. Jermaine Cunningham - bust.
2009 - Ron Brace - barely on the team. Darius Butler - bust. Vollmer - looked great but now injury plagued.
2008 - Terrance Wheatley - bust.
2007 - none.
2006 - Chad Jackson - bust.

I didn't know that the Pats got Tavon Austin, could've sworn he was playing for the Rams against us.

TheIronDuke
10-25-2013, 04:39 PM
OMG, I can't believe that I heard Gronk is great with injury problems but Ben Tate is "good" with no mention of his incredible injury problems. Yeah, you're a lawyer for sure. Oh, and ask our defense how good Vereen is, he beat us like a drum in the playoffs.

infantrycak
10-25-2013, 04:56 PM
Nice job leaving off guys like Patrick Chung, Brandon Spikes, and recent additions Jamie Collins and Aaron Dobson. Chung got 3m a year from the Eagles and plays about 50% of defensive plays for them. Spikes plays about 50% of D plays for NE, Dobson plays about 50% of O plays for NE and he's a rookie. Not exactly worthless or groundbreaking, but depth is nice to have when guys like Amendola go down.

Sebastian Vollmer is starting for them this season and has played nearly every snap on O.

Gronk got them to a Super Bowl. Injuries or not, he's worth a 1st round pick right now. Dude is a beast and well worth the selection.

Patrick Chung and Brandon Spikes were an oversight - lots of 2nd rounders. Add both in as solid.

I left off this year because just like Swearinger the comment would be too soon to know.

Gronk and Vollmer I gave greats - what more do you want? But since you tangent on Gronk, I think a team would be insane to give a 1st for Gronk. CnD is very concerned his four time operated arm is going to be career threatening. Doesn't affect the grade for the draft on either though.

I didn't know that the Pats got Tavon Austin, could've sworn he was playing for the Rams against us.

Tavon Wilson - oops.

PapaL
10-25-2013, 05:01 PM
So are you guys arguing that the draft is a crap shoot?

steelbtexan
10-26-2013, 05:46 AM
So are you guys arguing that the draft is a crap shoot?

For Rick it is.

And he craps out more often than not.


Bottom line is after the 2010 debacle Rick/Gary spent big $$$$ to sign Manning/JoJo in FA to save their jobs. This eliminated their margin for error when it camt to extending players. (Schaub/Lesser extent Cusshing)

When your hands are tied by the cap and the Texans are. You have to be able to hit on atleast 3-4 of your draft picks, including 1 star level pick and 2-3 player that can come in and contribute immediately. That's if they are going to compete on the level of the Pats/Broncos/Cokts etc....

This is where Rick/Gary have failed as leaders of the Texans orgs on field product and a large reason the Texans stand where they are today.

thunderkyss
10-26-2013, 06:23 AM
When your hands are tied by the cap and the Texans are. You have to be able to hit on atleast 3-4 of your draft picks, including 1 star level pick and 2-3 player that can come in and contribute immediately. That's if they are going to compete on the level of the Pats/Broncos/Cokts etc....

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I was with you until you said Patriots.

HJam72
10-27-2013, 01:57 PM
I hate the Cokts!!! :wild:

Playoffs
10-27-2013, 02:37 PM
I hate the Cokts!!! :wild:

I think we have a winner in the "re-name Indy" contest. :bravo:

TheIronDuke
10-28-2013, 01:24 PM
Jefferson is meeting with the hags some time:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Willie-Jefferson-to-visit-Jaguars.html

Montgomery visited with the Bengals last week. Haven't heard Wood being wooed by anyone yet surprisingly.

thunderkyss
10-28-2013, 03:29 PM
Jefferson is meeting with the hags some time:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Willie-Jefferson-to-visit-Jaguars.html

Montgomery visited with the Bengals last week. Haven't heard Wood being wooed by anyone yet surprisingly.

Wood also hasn't published a voluntary drug screen.

houstonhurricane
10-30-2013, 09:05 PM
Wood also hasn't published a voluntary drug screen.

He sure did:

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8667/cierre-wood

CloakNNNdagger
10-30-2013, 09:32 PM
He sure did:

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8667/cierre-wood

Yea, undoubtedly the same "unsupervised" one that Sam Montgomery posted.

speedfreek
10-30-2013, 11:11 PM
Would love to see the Texans sign Patrick Edwards.

The dude was magic with Keenum, he could be had cheaply,
he has much better hands than Keyshawn, and is just as solid
of a returner as well..

TJ

badboy
10-31-2013, 10:00 AM
Just curious, if Texans did not keep the "cigar" as evidence or do immediate drug test, what recourse do players have?

Exascor
10-31-2013, 10:38 AM
Duplicate post

Exascor
10-31-2013, 10:47 AM
Just curious, if Texans did not keep the "cigar" as evidence or do immediate drug test, what recourse do players have?

Just an assumption but...I'm sure that smoking anything in the hotel is against team rules. They admitted they were smoking. What recourse should they have? Besides - the Texans don't have to say what rule was broken. These guys could have all been released for any reason the team wanted to come up with. It happens every week in the NFL. Breaking curfew, missing meetings, poor practice performance, injuries... The players that were released said it was for smoking. We can all speculate that this was just a "last straw" situation.

Mari-OWNED!
10-31-2013, 02:49 PM
I'd like to see if the three players would actually let the league do a hair follicle test on them. Only until then would I believe that they weren't smoking pot.

Dishman
10-31-2013, 03:14 PM
I'd like to see if the three players would actually let the league do a hair follicle test on them. Only until then would I believe that they weren't smoking pot.

Why is the burden of proof on the players? The marijuana slant was started by ESPN. Does ESPN have anything other than speculation and conjecture to back up their claims?

Exascor
10-31-2013, 03:28 PM
Why is the burden of proof on the players? The marijuana slant was started by ESPN. Does ESPN have anything other than speculation and conjecture to back up their claims?I completely agree but...all 3 players submitted to voluntary drug tests already. The problem is those tests are easy to cheat. If you are really innocent and want to resurrect a career with potential millions at stake, you submit to whatever tests teams require.

TheIronDuke
10-31-2013, 03:50 PM
Dishman- Totally off topic but my step son plays flag football in a Cypress little league and Cris Dishman's son is also in the league and the kid is a freaking beast. It's seriously like watching a man play against a bunch of kids. When he gets the ball, he literally will not have a flag pulled. After a while, the coaches take him out because it's just really not fair. On defense, he will bee-line from the opposite end of the field and somehow be the one who pulls the flag. I saw Dishman himself at the game but didn't want to bother him.

Anyways, just saw your username reminded me of that. Carry on...

CloakNNNdagger
10-31-2013, 03:53 PM
I completely agree but...all 3 players submitted to voluntary drug tests already. The problem is those tests are easy to cheat. If you are really innocent and want to resurrect a career with potential millions at stake, you submit to whatever tests teams require.

NFL Players, FAs or otherwise, can via the NFLPA request the NFL to test them anytime...............evidently, none of the three did.........for probably good reason........

ChampionTexan
10-31-2013, 04:13 PM
Why is the burden of proof on the players?

Because the folks that need to believe these players are in compliance with the NFL drug policy are the decision makers for the other 31 NFL teams. The players can claim innocent until proven guilty, they can provide a successfully passed test they took outside the auspices of NFL oversight, and they could even potentially win a grievance against the Texans, but in the court of the real-world NFL, their innocence (or alternately, their ability to become innocent and stay that way) is 100% at the discretion of other teams who can place that burden upon them if they so choose.