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IDEXAN
10-21-2013, 07:51 AM
Entering the Chiefs' 17-16 win over the Texans on Sunday, it seemed reasonable to think Houston's second-year quarterback would be in for a long day.
Not only would Case Keenum, a man who went undrafted in 2012 due to his perceived lack of arm strength and mobility, be making his first career start on the road, he would be doing it at a rejuvenated Arrowhead Stadium, against the NFL's most ferocious pass rush.

But by the end of the day, even though the Texans lost, let's just say Keenum had made it clear he wasn't the overwhelmed, wide-eyed kid they expected him to be.

“The guy can definitely move around back there, buy some time for his receivers to get open and he has the arm strength to make the big play down the field,” said Chiefs cornerback Sean Smith. “I found that out the hard way.”
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Safety Quintin Demps, who played with Keenum last season in Houston, wasn't necessarily surprised by Keenum's strong day. Keenum, 25, was a scout team quarterback last season as he learned Houston's offense under coach Gary Kubiak, whom Demps regards as one of the league's best quarterback gurus.

Demps remembers seeing Keenum make enough plays against the first-string defense to think he should have been drafted.

“I told y'all Keenum can play,” Demps said. “He's gonna be good ... he's got good composure. He's like a fourth-year guy as a rookie. That's very rare.”

At the end of the day, the combination of the Chiefs' ferocious defense and Arrowhead Stadium won out, as Keenum ended up leading his team to only one first down (while taking four sacks) in the crucial fourth quarter.

But in the process, Keenum still won the respect of the Chiefs, at least three of whom mentioned his “promising future” when discussing his day afterward.

“He definitely came in and played better than I thought he would,” Smith said. “He showed a lot of poise and confidence back there.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/10/20/4566010/keenum-earns-chiefs-respect-with.html#storylink=cpy
*****
Just as I predicted, Keenum had an outstanding performance in his NFL Debut
vs the Chiefs.

bOODRO87
10-21-2013, 08:01 AM
The fact that there was a chance he could have been on the PS, how do you bring Kubiak back next year? Icing on the cake for the countless dumb stuff Kubiak has done. The bane of my enjoyment for the Texans.

IDEXAN
10-21-2013, 08:15 AM
The fact that there was a chance he could have been on the PS, how do you bring Kubiak back next year? Icing on the cake for the countless dumb stuff Kubiak has done. The bane of my enjoyment for the Texans.
31 other teams didn't draft Keenum just like 31 other teams didn't draft Arian Foster, but Kubiak managed to get them both signed and on his PS, brought them along/developed them, and eventually got them both on the field and playing in this league.

bOODRO87
10-21-2013, 09:00 AM
I stand by my statement. They gave Schaub a more than fair contract when you can get equal or better play from your third stringer.

This organization does not make good decisions and I'm sure I don't have to explain.

Mr teX
10-21-2013, 09:10 AM
i mean...unless they don't like you personally for whatever reason, no other player is gonna say anything bad about another player...it's comical people keep bringing in these player quotes like they mean something.

IDEXAN
10-21-2013, 09:42 AM
I stand by my statement. They gave Schaub a more than fair contract when you can get equal or better play from your third stringer.

This organization does not make good decisions and I'm sure I don't have to explain.
I'm thinking that Keenum just started coming into his own this year (not during his rookie year in 2012), which meant Schaub had already been resigned to his new contract. Am I right about that ?
Now resigning Schaub in 2012, to me that's a different issue and something that we might both second-guess a lot especially after Matt's performances in recent games.

Dread-Head
10-21-2013, 09:49 AM
I was went into Sunday's game relatively indifferent. Keenam impressed me and it LOOKED like he impressed the Chiefs. After the two minute warning they could shoved the ball down our throats and put more points on the board, but instead they elected to run out the clock and beat a team by a point whom they were predicted to obliterate. My hat is off to both young Mr. Keenam for facing a hell of a football team and not blinking and to Coach Andy Reed for being a class act. :tiphat:

cdollaz
10-21-2013, 10:14 AM
I was went into Sunday's game relatively indifferent. Keenam impressed me and it LOOKED like he impressed the Chiefs. After the two minute warning they could shoved the ball down our throats and put more points on the board, but instead they elected to run out the clock and beat a team by a point whom they were predicted to obliterate. My hat is off to both young Mr. Keenam for facing a hell of a football team and not blinking and to Coach Andy Reed for being a class act. :tiphat:

I agree that Andy Reid isn't the type to run up the score, but they also had an obvious strategic reason not to score again. If they did, we would get the ball back down only 8.

Playoffs
10-21-2013, 10:33 AM
I don't want to start hearing this isht, again. It's what good teams say about bad teams. :hankpalm:

HOU-TEX
10-21-2013, 10:35 AM
I was went into Sunday's game relatively indifferent. Keenam impressed me and it LOOKED like he impressed the Chiefs. After the two minute warning they could shoved the ball down our throats and put more points on the board, but instead they elected to run out the clock and beat a team by a point whom they were predicted to obliterate. My hat is off to both young Mr. Keenam for facing a hell of a football team and not blinking and to Coach Andy Reed for being a class act. :tiphat:

Yes, he is and always has been. In addition to being a very good HC. If only we were lucky enough to get a coach as good as Reid

b0ng
10-21-2013, 10:38 AM
I don't want to start hearing this isht, again. It's what good teams say about bad teams. :hankpalm:

This is a different circumstance. The Chiefs players gave Keenum no respect (Basically just loading up against the run and daring him to beat him) and he was making them pay for it. Once our running game fizzled out due to injuries it was really clear that the O-line couldn't handle their monster pass rush and that was all she really wrote.

I think if you continue to see losses and this kind of stuff comes out then yeah you can go back to hankhill mode.

Dread-Head
10-21-2013, 11:09 AM
Yes, he is and always has been. In addition to being a very good HC. If only we were lucky enough to get a coach as good as Reid

Amen to that brother.

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 11:20 AM
i mean...unless they don't like you personally for whatever reason, no other player is gonna say anything bad about another player...it's comical people keep bringing in these player quotes like they mean something.

What's comical is people that keep writing them off like they don't mean anything and for what reason? I know people in KC, they want to trade Alex Smith for Keenum. What people are saying isn't just lip service, they mean something.

cstyle42
10-21-2013, 11:31 AM
31 other teams didn't draft Keenum just like 31 other teams didn't draft Arian Foster, but Kubiak managed to get them both signed and on his PS, brought them along/developed them, and eventually got them both on the field and playing in this league.

When it comes to decision making as to whom should start as who is the best option like Arian Foster Case Keenum should have been starting if not week one definitely after the Seattle game. Kubiak is wasting another year by making dumb decisions.

Thorn
10-21-2013, 11:44 AM
When it comes to decision making as to whom should start as who is the best option like Arian Foster Case Keenum should have been starting if not week one definitely after the Seattle game. Kubiak is wasting another year by making dumb decisions.

Kubiak excels at making dumb decisions.

Mr teX
10-21-2013, 11:46 AM
What's comical is people that keep writing them off like they don't mean anything and for what reason? I know people in KC, they want to trade Alex Smith for Keenum. What people are saying isn't just lip service.

What do you think they were going to say though? "oh, he made a few plays against us, but he's not that good & we proved it.." Even if he sucked, they still wouldn't have said that.

I mean c'mon, they're just being professionals...I just don't put alot of stock into quotes from active players of the opposing team....

These are the same guys who'll talk smack trying to get into a players' head before a game & then completely 180 after the game if that particular player has a good game against them....you gotta take those quotes with a grain of salt.

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 11:58 AM
What do you think they were going to say though? "oh, he made a few plays against us, but he's not that good & we proved it.." Even if he sucked, they still wouldn't have said that.

I mean c'mon, they're just being professionals...I just don't put alot of stock into quotes from active players of the opposing team....

These are the same guys who'll talk smack trying to get into a players' head before a game & then completely 180 after the game if that particular player has a good game against them....you gotta take those quotes with a grain of salt.

:toropalm: If you were just going to say something nice to say something nice, because you don't dislike a guy.. you'd simply say "yes, he played well". You wouldn't go into detail raving about his play or talked about how he looked like a 4 year vet as a rook or talked about how rare that is, so yes, the comments are telling and they mean something.

Hervoyel
10-21-2013, 12:21 PM
Players will generally avoid being too negative about opposing players. At the same time it's rare that they will go too far in the other direction. Some of this is just general politeness while a few of the comments do border on being genuinely positive/impressed. People who like Keenum will see it all as affirmation of their beliefs. People who aren't sold on him will discount it and try to claim it is all meaningless. Nothing new here.

Mr teX
10-21-2013, 12:30 PM
:toropalm: If you were just going to say something nice to say something nice, because you don't dislike a guy.. you'd simply say "yes, he played well". You wouldn't go into detail raving about his play or talked about how he looked like a 4 year vet as a rook or talked about how rare that is, so yes, the comments are telling and they mean something.

Lol, you know damn well the media wasn't letting them get away with a simple ass response like that...Especially since i'm sure they had to field multiple questions about him...

& most of the time in those situations, players aren't going to **** on a player they just played, even he did suck.... unless they don't like him....It's usually players that aren't playing anymore (Derrick Ward) or players from other teams who come with the negative stuff.

I liken it to when Schaub got injured and a few cheered a few weeks back..... that's all you heard & seen the players talking about & it made them look like they were whinning......but it was really all the media asked them about & made it seem bigger & more negative than it actually was....I'm sure there was a little bit of that going on here as well.

Nevertheless, there are 52 guys on the other team...it's not that hard to find someone to say something good or bad about a situation.....if you're really trying to look anyway.

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 12:36 PM
Players will generally avoid being too negative about opposing players. At the same time it's rare that they will go too far in the other direction. Some of this is just general politeness while a few of the comments do border on being genuinely positive/impressed. People who like Keenum will see it all as affirmation of their beliefs. People who aren't sold on him will discount it and try to claim it is all meaningless. Nothing new here.

I've followed this game too long to not recognize "coach speak/player speak/lip service" when I see it.. This isn't it. General politeness is not saying "I told you he would be good and he looked like a 4 year vet". There's backups that have to make starts in this league all the time.. how often does a opposing team say those type of remarks in a attempt to just be polite?

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 12:39 PM
Lol, you know damn well the media wasn't letting them get away with a simple ass response like that...Especially since i'm sure they had to field multiple questions about him...

& most of the time in those situations, players aren't going to **** on a player they just played, even he did suck.... unless they don't like him....It's usually players that aren't playing anymore (Derrick Ward) or players from other teams who come with the negative stuff.

I liken it to when Schaub got injured and a few cheered a few weeks back..... that's all you heard & seen the players talking about & it made them look like they were whinning......but it was really all the media asked them about & made it seem bigger & more negative than it actually was....I'm sure there was a little bit of that going on here as well.

Nevertheless, there are 52 guys on the other team...it's not that hard to find someone to say something good or bad about a situation.....if you're really trying to look anyway.

LOL, Look at all the hurdles you have to jump over just to dispel these comments. Why?

Mr teX
10-21-2013, 12:47 PM
LOL, Look at all the hurdles you have to jump over just to dispel these comments. Why?

It's not "hurdles" I'm simply saying that i don't put alot of stock into what alot of these players say is all.

Hell, earlier in the year Andre said that schaub "had a different look in his eye this year.."

didn't put much into that either....players go to bat for players...unless of course they don't like them.

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 12:58 PM
It's not "hurdles" I'm simply saying that i don't put alot of stock into what alot of these players say is all.

Hell, earlier in the year Andre said that schaub "had a different look in his eye this year.."

didn't put much into that either....players go to bat for players...unless of course they don't like them.

Complete B.S. Let's look deeper into these comments as they are much more than "had a different look in his eye"

“I told y'all Keenum can play,” Demps said. “He's gonna be good ... he's got good composure. He's like a fourth-year guy as a rookie. That's very rare.”

These are not the comments of somebody just going to bat for a opposing player or someone who's just trying to "be polite" or is held up by the local media and is being squeezed for a response.

In order for Demps to say "I told you so".. he obviously had to already believe in what he said.. long before the media ever pressed him for a response. Then he went on to talk about his composure, how he played like a vet, and how rare that is. So no, these aren't just ho hum "he played well" comments from a player who's just looking to shrug off a reporter while he's on his way to the locker room.

tedr
10-21-2013, 01:19 PM
Complete B.S. Let's look deeper into these comments as they are much more than "had a different look in his eye"



These are not the comments of somebody just going to bat for a opposing player or someone who's just trying to "be polite" or is held up by the local media and is being squeezed for a response.

In order for Demps to say "I told you so".. he obviously had to already believe in what he said.. long before the media ever pressed him for a response. Then he went on to talk about his composure, how he played like a vet, and how rare that is. So no, these aren't just ho hum "he played well" comments from a player who's just looking to shrug off a reporter while he's on his way to the locker room.

Carr Bombed,

It's kind of fruitless to argue. Some people will not give credit where credit is due, no matter how plain it is.

Did Keenum make mistakes? Yes. Does he have a lot of room for improvement? Yes. But he played darn well, enough in my mind to earn not only another start, but enough to earn the respect of the opponent. You're right, this is not just political correctness talking. But, we're not supposed to believe them, because they're just saying something nice. Ridiculous.

Why don't we compare how Keenum did in his first start with Andrew Luck's first start, last year in Chicago against the Bears? I think you'll find that Keenum did much better, and I would imagine that Bears defense, although tough, was no better than the defense Keenum went up against yesterday.

No one is saying Keenum will be the next Brady, Brees, Rodgers, or even Luck. What we are saying is that he earned another shot.

Mr teX
10-21-2013, 01:22 PM
Complete B.S. Let's look deeper into these comments as they are much more than "had a different look in his eye"



These are not the comments of somebody just going to bat for a opposing player or someone who's just trying to "be polite" or is held up by the local media and is being squeezed for a response.

In order for Demps to say "I told you so".. he obviously had to already believe in what he said.. long before the media ever pressed him for a response. Then he went on to talk about his composure, how he played like a vet, and how rare that is. So no, these aren't just ho hum "he played well" comments from a player who's just looking to shrug off a reporter while he's on his way to the locker room.

Jesus christ.. :toropalm:

I won't be all in on Keenum until i see at least 2-3 more games of him. & no amount of player interviews, messageboard armchair qbs & coaches or talk radio hosts are going to convince me to believe or think something about him otherwise...sorry.

you're entitled to read into whatever you want to as much as i am allowed to not do it...why is that so hard for you to come to grips with?

bOODRO87
10-21-2013, 01:34 PM
you're entitled to read into whatever you want to as much as i am allowed to not do it...why is that so hard for you to come to grips with?

He has an aurora. Open and shut case!

Nawzer
10-21-2013, 01:36 PM
Another moral victory thread. Nothing against Case but as a fan base we should expect more out of our teams.

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 01:40 PM
Jesus christ.. :toropalm:

I won't be all in on Keenum until i see at least 2-3 more games of him. & no amount of player interviews, messageboard armchair qbs & coaches or talk radio hosts are going to convince me to believe or think something about him otherwise...sorry.
you're entitled to read into whatever you want to as much as i am allowed to not do it...why is that so hard for you to come to grips with?

So you admit that the reason why you're dispelling these comments from opposing players is entirely due to the fact that you personally "aren't sold", "convinced", and haven't "seen enough". It has nothing to do with what they actually said or why (like just trying to be polite) they said it,..

Because you're not "sold yet" means everything anybody else says doesn't mean anything.

Well at least you're honest.

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 01:47 PM
Another moral victory thread. Nothing against Case but as a fan base we should expect more out of our teams.

This isn't a moral victory thread.. and the fan base does expect more out of our team, which is why the fan base is rooting for change and the success of a new QB which represents change, that is literally us expecting more.

I mean it's not like just because people on the opposing team had something positive to say about a first time starter means Texan fans are happy with losing (I'm still mad about yesterday and our 2-5 record), so how is this a moral victory thread? The fan base isn't the problem here.

Mr teX
10-21-2013, 02:02 PM
So you admit that the reason why you're dispelling these comments from opposing players is entirely due to the fact that you personally "aren't sold", "convinced", and haven't "seen enough". It has nothing to do with what they actually said or why (like just trying to be polite) they said it,..

Because you're not "sold yet" means everything anybody else says doesn't mean anything.

Well at least you're honest.



don't put words in my mouth...i never said it didn't mean anything...i just said i don't put much stock into it.

& What's to admit? my stance on him has been the same since before he was announced the starter. the only disagreement i have with many of you in here is that i thought we should've waited until the season was clearly over before we gave him his shot...which going by how this season is going, that'll probably be in 2 weeks.

It's you guys who act like some of us don't have the right to be (at least me anyway) cautiously optimistic...in other words stand back & objectively look at things....we get labeled haters b/c we haven't gone all in after 1 game...in your case after 1 damn quarter...

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 02:35 PM
don't put words in my mouth...i never said it didn't mean anything...i just said i don't put much stock into it.

& What's to admit? my stance on him has been the same since before he was announced the starter. the only disagreement i have with many of you in here is that i thought we should've waited until the season was clearly over before we gave him his shot...which going by how this season is going, that'll probably be in 2 weeks.

It's you guys who act like some of us don't have the right to be (at least me anyway) cautiously optimistic...in other words stand back & objectively look at things....we get labeled haters b/c we haven't gone all in after 1 game...in your case after 1 damn quarter...

Well apparently by your comments this is way more than "players just being held up by the media and wanting to be polite to a guy they don't dislike"

As far as waiting for the season being over.. the season was clearly over before it even started. It was clearly over last year when Schaub regressed and went into his nose dive and choked away a opportunity at HFA and the number 1 seed in the AFC. Even objective people can recognize that.. That's why it only took 1 damn quarter to see the writing on the wall.

Playoffs
10-21-2013, 02:42 PM
He has an aurora. Open and shut case!

Who cares what kind of car he drives? :truck:

http://img2.netcarshow.com/Oldsmobile-Aurora_Indy_Pace_Car_2001_800x600_wallpaper_02.jpg

BleedsRocketRed
10-21-2013, 05:40 PM
Doh

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 05:43 PM
It was already posted... apparently the chief players didn't really mean what they said and were just being polite, because they don't dislike the player. :rolleyes:

BleedsRocketRed
10-21-2013, 05:47 PM
It was already posted... apparently the chief players didn't really mean what they said and were just being polite, because they don't dislike the player. :rolleyes:

Yep, just found it right after I hit post.

Doh!

thunderkyss
10-22-2013, 11:22 AM
The fact that there was a chance he could have been on the PS, how do you bring Kubiak back next year? Icing on the cake for the countless dumb stuff Kubiak has done. The bane of my enjoyment for the Texans.

What makes you think Kubiak was going to waive him this season? Everything I've seen since they extended Schaub says they believed Keenum to be our starting QB in 2014.

I stand by my statement. They gave Schaub a more than fair contract when you can get equal or better play from your third stringer.

This organization does not make good decisions and I'm sure I don't have to explain.

There are 7 QBs with $100M contracts. None of them are Matt Schaub. He's making good money as a starter & before 2013, he was a good starter.

I liked the QB plan for this season. Given that Matt Schaub had an offseason to get healthy I thought it was safe to assume we'd get somewhere around 10 games before his LisFranc would have been an issue.... 8 at the least. Keenum obviously passed whatever test there was, so I thought the plan was to get him ready to be the #2 around the bye week. Until then, Tj is the #2.

If Matt's foot becomes a problem after week 8-10..... Keenum comes in finishes off the season & starts 2014 as the starter. Matt most likely felt he was being pushed all along & that's what led to his performance to date.

Surreal McCoy
10-22-2013, 11:38 AM
The fact that there was a chance he could have been on the PS, how do you bring Kubiak back next year? Icing on the cake for the countless dumb stuff Kubiak has done. The bane of my enjoyment for the Texans.

If you can point us to any post you made prior to the 2012 draft stating your belief in Keenum, and that he should've been drafted, then you'll have a modicum of clout. Otherwise...

eriadoc
10-22-2013, 11:46 AM
If you can point us to any post you made prior to the 2012 draft stating your belief in Keenum, and that he should've been drafted, then you'll have a modicum of clout. Otherwise...

Plenty of people here thought he was a legitimate NFL prospect. Click Search, keyword Keenum, filter a year and older. Put in a user name if you like. Scroll to the bottom of the results.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1778896

bOODRO87
10-22-2013, 12:07 PM
If you can point us to any post you made prior to the 2012 draft stating your belief in Keenum, and that he should've been drafted, then you'll have a modicum of clout. Otherwise...

I called it even better than Keenum.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bOODRO87 View Post
I wish we would pick up Russell Wilson QB from Wisconsin late in the draft. The kid seems smart and is very mobile while throwing strong. I think he'll be like Brees. Keep Schaub one more year, then let TJ and Russell duel it out.


http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?p=517258&highlight=Russell+Wilson#post517258

Posted 3-14-12. Man, was I right or was I right? :doot:

76Texan
10-22-2013, 10:14 PM
I called it even better than Keenum.



http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?p=517258&highlight=Russell+Wilson#post517258

Posted 3-14-12. Man, was I right or was I right? :doot:

Big deal; I wanted the Texans to take both Wilson and Keenum so that one can be the insurance policy for the other in case of injury.

bOODRO87
10-23-2013, 07:16 AM
Big deal; I wanted the Texans to take both Wilson and Keenum so that one can be the insurance policy for the other in case of injury.

Well, don't hold out on us. Lay it out. I just wanted to prove that Schaub could have been easily replaced instead of re-signing him. I was right on the money.

thunderkyss
10-23-2013, 08:52 AM
Well, don't hold out on us. Lay it out. I just wanted to prove that Schaub could have been easily replaced instead of re-signing him. I was right on the money.

It doesn't matter. We didn't marry ourselves to Schaub with some ridiculous contract. We paid him a starters wage, not an elite wage. We can cut him at the end of the season with little repercussion.

It was a, "You have two seasons to win a Super Bowl" contract. Nothing more, nothing less.

& this is the second year.

Uncle Rico
10-23-2013, 09:06 AM
"Look at me, look at me I was right and you were wrong, nanny nanny boo boo"

We need a cookie emoticon for everyone who needs to feel vindicated and craves the attention, geez.

speedfreek
10-23-2013, 10:14 AM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=277567&page=24

TJ

Vinnie
10-23-2013, 11:31 AM
Well, don't hold out on us. Lay it out. I just wanted to prove that Schaub could have been easily replaced instead of re-signing him. I was right on the money.

And if my aunt had a...

Double Barrel
10-23-2013, 11:39 AM
He has an aurora. Open and shut case!

No wonder people like Keenum. Everyone likes pretty lights.

http://icestories.exploratorium.edu/dispatches/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/fin_aurora.jpg

bOODRO87
10-23-2013, 11:48 AM
It doesn't matter. We didn't marry ourselves to Schaub with some ridiculous contract. We paid him a starters wage, not an elite wage. We can cut him at the end of the season with little repercussion.

It was a, "You have two seasons to win a Super Bowl" contract. Nothing more, nothing less.

& this is the second year.

What a HUGE mistake it was giving Schaub the deal before seeing how he would play an entire season coming from the Linsfranc injury. Now Ed Reed.. Rick set us back with those two moves. Fire-able offenses. But that's a whole other thread.


"Look at me, look at me I was right and you were wrong, nanny nanny boo boo"

We need a cookie emoticon for everyone who needs to feel vindicated and craves the attention, geez.

Nostradamus ain't got sh*t on me!

Thanks for playing, guys. Proceed with the major failure of a season. :handshake:

ObsiWan
10-23-2013, 12:03 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=277567&page=24

TJ
From their msg board...

Originally Posted by scott free http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=10106161#post10106161)
Lets be honest, this kid did damned good, the tejans have their new QB.


Yep, he did well. Especially without running backs...

That about sums it up for me.

76Texan
10-23-2013, 12:09 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=277567&page=24

TJ

Must be all them Coogs fans posing as Chief fans. :spit:

Seriously, those were high praises.
I must admit, I was surprised.
Darn it; I wonder what it would have been like if the Texans pulled that game off.
You think they would go ballistic over there at Chiefs planet?

Vinny
10-23-2013, 12:11 PM
No wonder people like Keenum. Everyone likes pretty lights.
It doesn't hurt that he can actually hit a WR in stride or over the top in the end zone.

Double Barrel
10-23-2013, 12:31 PM
It doesn't hurt that he can actually hit a WR in stride or over the top in the end zone.

yeah, but can Keenum throw a 7 yard pass on a 3rd & 10? That is a crucial play for QBs in Kubiak's scheme. ;)

Thorn
10-23-2013, 12:57 PM
yeah, but can Keenum throw a 7 yard pass on a 3rd & 10? That is a crucial play for QBs in Kubiak's scheme. ;)

:spit:

OK, that made me LOL

thunderkyss
10-23-2013, 01:00 PM
What a HUGE mistake it was giving Schaub the deal before seeing how he would play an entire season coming from the Linsfranc injury. Now Ed Reed.. Rick set us back with those two moves. Fire-able offenses. But that's a whole other thread.



By signing Schaub, you open the door for Keenum. If the Texans went out to get another QB they most likely would have drafted another QB who would have also been ahead of Keenum on the depth chart.

Schaub won 12 games last year & we won a play-off game. Worth the money to me.

That contract said, "I can get Case ready for 2014 if Schaub doesn't win a Super Bowl before that."

There's no way Tj would have been our starter had we not signed Schaub. There's no way Keenum would have been our starter, or our #2 if we had not signed Schaub.

If we signed a Veteran, then drafted a 1st day QB, that's position 1 & 2 right there. Maybe Keenum beats Tj for the scout team job, but I doubt it.

ObsiWan
10-23-2013, 01:41 PM
yeah, but can Keenum throw a 7 yard pass on a 3rd & 10? That is a crucial play for QBs in Kubiak's scheme. ;)
That's some cold sh!t, DB

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76Texan
10-23-2013, 03:16 PM
By signing Schaub, you open the door for Keenum. If the Texans went out to get another QB they most likely would have drafted another QB who would have also been ahead of Keenum on the depth chart.

Schaub won 12 games last year & we won a play-off game. Worth the money to me.

That contract said, "I can get Case ready for 2014 if Schaub doesn't win a Super Bowl before that."

There's no way Tj would have been our starter had we not signed Schaub. There's no way Keenum would have been our starter, or our #2 if we had not signed Schaub.

If we signed a Veteran, then drafted a 1st day QB, that's position 1 & 2 right there. Maybe Keenum beats Tj for the scout team job, but I doubt it.
On the other hand, my humble strategy was to take two among Wilson, Cousins, and Keenum (preferrably Keenum and Wilson).
Wilson played in both the pro and WCO; Cousins played in a hybrid version if the two systems. But I like Keenum's moxy.

Let them two duke it out with Schaub and Yates.
I don't dislike Yates, but I have always thought that Wilson and Keenum are better.

We might be able to strike a more team-friendly deal with Schaub.
I would trade Yates in that off-season.

It didn't matter to me whether Wilson or Keenum becomes the eventual starter; I'm no UH homer. I let it be known that I would be in euphoria if the Texans take them two.

Rey
10-23-2013, 04:16 PM
Duane brown still wants Schaub. He made that clear.

Dre didn't say who he wanted, but I think he wants keenum. After the game, the way he sounded and the way he talked about him. And he even re-iterated: "like I said, it's just something about him"

That's pretty strong coming from Dre.

msbbc833
10-23-2013, 04:26 PM
Duane brown still wants Schaub. He made that clear.

Dre didn't say who he wanted, but I think he wants keenum. After the game, the way he sounded and the way he talked about him. And he even re-iterated: "like I said, it's just something about him"

That's pretty strong coming from Dre.

When/where did Brown make it clear he wants Schaub?

DX-TEX
10-23-2013, 04:32 PM
When/where did Brown make it clear he wants Schaub?

Heard the sound bite on 610 yesterday. He didn't say he wanted him exactly. Just said he deserves to be the starter for what he has done in the past. Basically Kubiak speak

Rey
10-23-2013, 04:42 PM
When/where did Brown make it clear he wants Schaub?

I saw it on csn last night. He said, case played great and he has a bright future but I think Schaub is the guy to lead this team. You can't ignore how good he's been for us in the past. Schaub is the right guy for the job and it's who I think should lead this team going forward.

Or something pretty close. But yeah, it was very clear that he preferred Schaub be the guy and wasn't jumping on the keenum train just yet.

Double Barrel
10-23-2013, 05:11 PM
Dre is done with schaub. You can figure that out just reading between the lines on what Dre is saying. You can see it when stephen a smith was clowning schaub in front of dre's face when dre did a segment on first take.

Dre is done with schaub and so are a lot of players who just dont want to admit it publicly. If fans who dont really have any real stake in the team is fed up with schaub, what do you think about players who put their lives on the line, who put in the work relentlessly, who actually have real stakes on the line?

They maybe towing the company line but you can bet more than a few feel the same way about schaub.

I agree just based on how the team played with Keenum under center.

Even though they lost, it appeared to me that they were playing with a passion that we have not seen in the first 6 games, comeback wins included.

Nobody can tell me that they "believe" in a gimpy QB that just set an NFL record with pick 6's. Company line aside, it's just not human nature to want to keep an obvious weak link that is hurting the cause.

Brisco_County
10-23-2013, 10:21 PM
Company line aside, it's just not human nature to want to keep an obvious weak link that is hurting the cause.

Look no further than the Seattle game.

With Schaub, many players believe the season is done. With Keenum, there's a shred of hope.

I remember a point that Texans Chick made a while back: For an organization to maximize its potential, everyone from the owner to the player has to be on board with the team philosophy. If a single player isn't buying into it, that player is a weak link. I believe that also happens when a player doesn't buy into the quarterback.

eriadoc
10-23-2013, 11:28 PM
I remember a point that Texans Chick made a while back: For an organization to maximize its potential, everyone from the owner to the player has to be on board with the team philosophy. If a single player isn't buying into it, that player is a weak link. I believe that also happens when a player doesn't buy into the quarterback.

I recall her not buying into our current QB. She's not commented on him since his start in KC, near as I can tell.

Rey
10-23-2013, 11:51 PM
I recall her not buying into our current QB. She's not commented on him since his start in KC, near as I can tell.

I think she said she wasn't surprised by the game he had, but it's strange because before the season she said in camp he didn't do anything special.

She was pissed when the article about case grabbing an early edge came out.

thunderkyss
10-24-2013, 07:59 AM
October 21 (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/10/keenum-versus-schaub-is-the-popular-but-wrong-conversation/),


Keenum versus Schaub is the popular but wrong conversation
Local sports talk radio over this week, and the off week will likely focus on the quarterback position for the Houston Texans.

This makes some sense. Case Keenum in his debut, spread the ball around, extended plays, kept the Texans in the game and was extremely composed, not just for his first regular season game, but for any quarterback against a very good defense on the road. An exciting debut in a loss.

He took many of downfield shots, connected for a TD in the end zone, had the potential for a number of additional great plays. He was able to function without Arian Foster for most of the game, an injured Ben Tate and with poor field positions at times. It was fun to watch until it decidedly wasn’t. (A tiny favor from the betting gods that the fumble sack was inches from being a touchdown).

Case Keenum cross-talk.

It’s difficult to talk about Case Keenum in this town. Because opinions range from reasonable to exaggerated with any local sports hero. When I analyze all players, I look at their pluses and minuses, and for some, if you mention any minuses that means you are a hater.

Personally, I want all the Texans players to succeed, to be put in positions to succeed and to get wins. Whatever the name is on the jersey and whatever school they went to college.


http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/wp-content/blogs.dir/2348/files/2013/10/KEENUM.STEPH_-306x203.jpg
Keenum v. Schaub.

The talk over the next couple weeks prior to the Colts game will likely be Keenum v. Schaub. It’s not the conversation I find particularly engaging because (and I say this painfully), it’s like debating who is going to captain the Titanic after it has already hit the iceberg.

We think of Keenum’s performance rightfully as an admirable one. But also one where he got sacked five times. Quarterbacking the 2013 Texans is no longer about playoff expectations, it is about survival.

speedfreek
10-24-2013, 09:09 AM
Something doesn't jive with her knocks on Keenum..

It's understandable to be skeptical about him last year, or
during the preseason -- but at this point he's the best thing
we have to roll out in the QB position.

I'd wager "TexansChick" is a Texas alumna who has a latent
hate for all of the local hero love Keenum gets and is probably
bitter that VY never got his turn in a Texans uni.

Just my "freud-ish" take on it..

TJ

thunderkyss
10-24-2013, 09:34 AM
Something doesn't jive with her knocks on Keenum..

It's understandable to be skeptical about him last year, or
during the preseason -- but at this point he's the best thing
we have to roll out in the QB position.

I'd wager "TexansChick" is a Texas alumna who has a latent
hate for all of the local hero love Keenum gets and is probably
bitter that VY never got his turn in a Texans uni.

Just my "freud-ish" take on it..

TJ

If anything I'd bet she was an Aggie.

I don't think she was in favor of drafting Young though..... she'd have taken Young over Reggie Bush, I would too, but she was "real" about the situation & knew the Texans were going to stick with Carr.

Carr Bombed
10-24-2013, 10:13 AM
I disagree with her take.. while it's true this isn't "Schaub vs Keenum", it is past vs possible future, as in who can possibly be the future "captain" of this team. The fact that the titanic already has hit the iceberg is irrelevent as Keenum wasn't at the wheel when it hit.. we need to find out if he's capable of navigating the next ship through icy waters and this is a conversation i find very engaging, because the future of our team depends on finding that guy. The season might be "over", but there's still things that need to be done, like player evaluation and it's important we get it right.

I also don't see how people can criticize Keenum for 5 sacks when the chiefs do that to everybody and it didn't start happening to the kid until his running threat all, but disapeared and the chiefs were free to pin their ears back.

Rey
10-24-2013, 10:27 AM
She's human. She was one that had strong keenum/Matt takes so she's no different than anyone else. We all try to not be biased, but inevitably there's going to be a little somewhere when you have strong takes on things.

Thorn
10-24-2013, 10:31 AM
Why are we picking on TexansChick? Everybody's got an opinion around here, and they sure as hell aren't all the same. I think she's a great sports writer. Doesn't mean I always agree with her, but I almost always enjoy her posts.

Carr Bombed
10-24-2013, 10:50 AM
Why are we picking on TexansChick? Everybody's got an opinion around here, and they sure as hell aren't all the same. I think she's a great sports writer. Doesn't mean I always agree with her, but I almost always enjoy her posts.

I'm not picking on her, I just said I don't agree with this take... there's been plenty others I have agreed with though.

Vinny
10-24-2013, 11:24 AM
I agree just based on how the team played with Keenum under center.

Even though they lost, it appeared to me that they were playing with a passion that we have not seen in the first 6 games, comeback wins included.

Nobody can tell me that they "believe" in a gimpy QB that just set an NFL record with pick 6's. Company line aside, it's just not human nature to want to keep an obvious weak link that is hurting the cause.
I think AJ about had a heart attack when he was hit in FULL STRIDE without having to slow down on the ball last Sunday. I for one am sick of all the sit down routes and come backs that Schaub seemingly has to have to be successful. The heart of the wco is hitting guys in stride....not a Schaub strength.

Rey
10-24-2013, 01:09 PM
I think AJ about had a heart attack when he was hit in FULL STRIDE without having to slow down on the ball last Sunday. I for one am sick of all the sit down routes and come backs that Schaub seemingly has to have to be successful. The heart of the wco is hitting guys in stride....not a Schaub strength.

Kubiak said that on the long aj reception it was supposed to be a three step drop. He said keenum didn't like his initial read and so he started moving around. Dre stuck his hand up to say he was breaking off and going deep...case found him.

I think there were several things that happened on that play that aj wasn't used to....LOL.

I can't remember the last time aj got to break a route off, go deep and get hit on the money.

Brisco_County
10-24-2013, 01:34 PM
I also don't see how people can criticize Keenum for 5 sacks when the chiefs do that to everybody and it didn't start happening to the kid until his running threat all, but disapeared and the chiefs were free to pin their ears back.

Keenum had the highest QB rating in that stadium this season. That defense pinned 10 sacks on a "duel threat" QB the week before. If Kubiak goes with Schaub for the Indy game, he will lose any remaining support from the fanbase. Even if Schaub wins. The fans were already dissatisfied with Schaub's ceiling, but this year they've had the unfortunate experience of witnessing a worse attribute: the depth of his floor.

Kubiak said that on the long aj reception it was supposed to be a three step drop. He said keenum didn't like his initial read and so he started moving around. Dre stuck his hand up to say he was breaking off and going deep...case found him.

I think there were several things that happened on that play that aj wasn't used to....LOL.

I can't remember the last time aj got to break a route off, go deep and get hit on the money.

I bet it's the most fun AJ has had in a long time. If we can't get AJ a ring, we should at least get him a QB that enables him to enjoy the game.

OzzO
10-24-2013, 01:41 PM
....I bet it's the most fun AJ has had in a long time. If we can't get AJ a ring, we should at least get him a QB that enables him to enjoy the game.

It did seem like AJ was having some fun out there. Seem to recall more positive emotion and a few smiles on his face during the game.

houstonspartan
10-25-2013, 01:05 AM
Something doesn't jive with her knocks on Keenum..

It's understandable to be skeptical about him last year, or
during the preseason -- but at this point he's the best thing
we have to roll out in the QB position.

I'd wager "TexansChick" is a Texas alumna who has a latent
hate for all of the local hero love Keenum gets and is probably
bitter that VY never got his turn in a Texans uni.

Just my "freud-ish" take on it..

TJ

I have accused Texans Chick of being too "pro-Kubiak" (even though I do think she's very, very smart).

In this piece, however, I agree with her. If you read the whole thing, she was saying that we need to take a step back and look at the "big picture" of the future of this team, and - if you do that - things look grim.

Yes, we're all into the Keenum love this week. But, taking a step back and looking at the overall team, things look pretty rough. If we don't make the playoffs this year, we will have to make hard decisions about our coach and GM, AND, we will likely have to let several players walk, AND - and here's the big one - we're right up against the salary cap and will be for the next few years.

So her point was, we have to win NOW. If we don't win now, which doesn't look like it's going to happen, we are screwed - regardless of who we have under center.

Keeping Kubiak after 2010 was a grave, massive mistake that has backed this team into a corner.

infantrycak
10-25-2013, 02:00 AM
I think people are going to be very disappointed and the only "big" change will be at QB.

ArlingtonTexan
10-25-2013, 05:22 AM
Something doesn't jive with her knocks on Keenum..

It's understandable to be skeptical about him last year, or
during the preseason -- but at this point he's the best thing
we have to roll out in the QB position.

I'd wager "TexansChick" is a Texas alumna who has a latent
hate for all of the local hero love Keenum gets and is probably
bitter that VY never got his turn in a Texans uni.

Just my "freud-ish" take on it..

TJ

Texans chick is one the 5-10 most consistently objective posters on this board. Unlike you she would have never made a lazy she's a Horn so she does not like Keenum post.

Lucky
10-25-2013, 06:17 AM
...we need to find out if he's capable of navigating the next ship through icy waters...
That's basically what Texans Chick said. She admitted that Schaub was done, which surprised me coming from her.
If we don't make the playoffs this year, we will have to make hard decisions about our coach and GM...
And what really surprised me was that she openly questioned whether Smithiak should be brought back. The "right conversation" is whether McNair stays status quo or goes a new direction. If a new organization is brought in, they may bring in their QB, and the Keenum experiment is moot.

sandman
10-25-2013, 06:20 AM
If Schaub gets sacked four times in the fourth quarter while only getting one first down, irregardless of the RB situation, in a one point loss where the defense allowed only 17 points... he would be crucified.

Keenum does it and he is hailed as having an amazing game and crowned the franchise QB of the future. Lots of leniency being given to Case with the RB injuries, the KC crowd, the KC defense being able to go off on the passing game, etc.

In the end it was still a loss, with multiple opportunities in a close game that were not realized. Twice got inside the 30 and settled for FG's. Once got down to the 3 yard line and settled for a FG. Negative yards in the fourth quarter.

Moral victories don't count, and he didn't get it done any more than Schaub has been getting it done. Nice stats, and some decent long throws and footwork, so we all feel good about the same result with a different QB.

I remember when everyone here thought that TJ was going to push Schaub for the starting job last year. Now it's all about Case. The franchise QB for the Texans is not on this roster, we just want to believe he is so that we can move away from Schaub. That, and the Cougar homerism. IMHO, none of our three current QB's will be the starting QB next season.

Thorn
10-25-2013, 06:40 AM
IMHO, none of our three current QB's will be the starting QB next season.

Then lets let Keenum start a few more times to prove that correct. Right now we know Schaub and Yates aren't, but Keenum has yet to absolutely prove that point either way.

sandman
10-25-2013, 07:04 AM
Then lets let Keenum start a few more times to prove that correct. Right now we know Schaub and Yates aren't, but Keenum has yet to absolutely prove that point either way.

I don't disagree. But you could say that about any backup or PS guy or off the street guy. He's not special just because he is a local kid or doing it for our team. The odds are stacked well against him, and while I want him to be successful because I want the team to win, I'm not drinking the koolaid about a short UDFA QB from a gimmick offense and ready to hail him as the face of the franchise after one game like some people are around here.

speedfreek
10-25-2013, 07:55 AM
"If Schaub gets sacked four times in the fourth quarter while only getting one first down, irregardless of the RB situation, in a one point loss where the defense allowed only 17 points... he would be crucified."

..Is a specious argument.

Total fallacy to believe Schaub would have been within one point and even have a chance at a game winning drive.

Anyone that believes that did not pay enough attention during the Rams game.

TJ

sandman
10-25-2013, 08:17 AM
"If Schaub gets sacked four times in the fourth quarter while only getting one first down, irregardless of the RB situation, in a one point loss where the defense allowed only 17 points... he would be crucified."

..Is a specious argument.

Total fallacy to believe Schaub would have been within one point and even have a chance at a game winning drive.

Anyone that believes that did not pay enough attention during the Rams game.

TJ

You must have missed the end of the only two victories the Texans have this year. Pretty sure that was Schaub leading two end of game scoring drives for the win.

Technically he was down more than one point in both games, so the explicit "one point" in your straw man argument still has validity, even if the overall tone of your post holds no merit.

Like Keenum, you get a moral victory!

thunderkyss
10-25-2013, 08:53 AM
AND - and here's the big one - we're right up against the salary cap and will be for the next few years.

Keeping Kubiak after 2010 was a grave, massive mistake that has backed this team into a corner.

First I'll say I was behind the get rid of Kubiak after 2010...

Second, I disagree. We'll be up against the cap next season, but 2015 the cap will finally go up. The players got screwed on the CBA, especially where the cap is concerned. The Texans made an assumption, they gambled & it bit them in the butt.

But we're up against the cap because we've got good players & they're being paid accordingly. We'll be up against the cap next season, because we've got a few more contracts due.

& I don't care what anybody says, $10M a year for a starting QB is a good deal. Prior to 2013 Matt Schaub was easily comparable to Flacco, Ryan, & Romo, all of which got $100M (~ $16-$20M/yr) deals & if you're objective about it, you'll admit Matt has looked healthier & more mobile than he has in years.

Matt Schaub hasn't performed to expectation, Brown hasn't played up to expectation, Antonio & Jjo hasn't played up to expectations, Wade hasn't played up to his contract, & while the Texans' plans for RT & LG looked promising in the preseason, neither panned out. OLB... a couple more gambles that didn't pan out.

2011 & 2012 were Kubiak's best years as a coach... both years presented challenges that should have kept us out of the play-offs, but we found a way to win, get in, & win... so what it was the Bengals (who were in the same situation we were in), you play who's on your schedule.

This year, he's woefully underperformed, there's no reason we shouldn't have looked as good as the Broncos but while they are 6-1, we're 2-5 (with a 5 game losing streak) & have underperformed on both sides of the ball.

But, he's got 9 games to make it right. & as bleak & grim as it looks, we've got the talent & I believe the coaching to make something special happen. All we've got to do is make the play-offs, then it's a whole new season.

HJam72
10-25-2013, 09:07 AM
If Schaub gets sacked four times in the fourth quarter while only getting one first down, irregardless of the RB situation, in a one point loss where the defense allowed only 17 points... he would be crucified.


That is not true. He'd just have his jersey burned at the stake with him in it.

Regarding TJ a couple years ago, there were plenty of us that never really thought he had what it took. He did a good job of not throwing int.'s, by not even trying to pass downfield much, until the Ravens game where he finally had to....and we all saw what happened. We were proud of what a 3rd stringer managed to do, but very few actually wanted TJ over Schaub.

Keenum, on the other hand....look, it's like the TD pass to DeAndre last Sunday; dude has an arm, has the guts to use it, AND has some SERIOUS ability to just drop that sucker right in a WR's hands on the long over-the-shoulder throws. We saw it in the preseason & we saw it last Sunday. Throwing that kind of pass that well is something I've never really seen a QB do (with any consistency) who wasn't a successful starter. That pass is a hallmark for superstar QB, & I've seen him do it too many times in the NFL already. Yeah, he could still turn out to suck, but he's got "I'm a leader; gimme the damn ball, coach!" written all over 'im right now.

Precision bombing. Some can and many can't.

thunderkyss
10-25-2013, 09:12 AM
If Schaub gets sacked four times in the fourth quarter while only getting one first down, irregardless of the RB situation, in a one point loss where the defense allowed only 17 points... he would be crucified.


& rightfully so. This "system" has been tweaked & customized for him from play selection to personnel selection. They threw in routes, protections, & scheme in 4 days for Keenum.... apples & oranges.


Keenum does it and he is hailed as having an amazing game and crowned the franchise QB of the future. Lots of leniency being given to Case with the RB injuries, the KC crowd, the KC defense being able to go off on the passing game, etc.

In the end it was still a loss, with multiple opportunities in a close game that were not realized.....


All good points & I agree whole heartedly. We're overreating to what we saw. Plenty of opportunity for Case to do something amazing, put this team on his shoulders & will us to victory the way Russell Wilson, RG3, & Andrew Luck did as rookies & Kaepernick did as a first time starter.

Didn't happen, but what I saw was a guy who could easily replace Schaub as Kubiak's next paper tiger. As long as we've got a dominant run game & a dominant defense around him.... we're a contender.

The only problem is if he can't take care of the ball (ala Schaub2013) he's going to make it difficult for this team to realize it's potential. & fumbling twice a game isn't much different than throwing INTs... fumbling inside the 10, recovered by the other team with 1:42 left in the game & no timeouts is no different than a pick 6; only looks different on the score board.



I remember when everyone here thought that TJ was going to push Schaub for the starting job last year. Now it's all about Case. The franchise QB for the Texans is not on this roster, we just want to believe he is so that we can move away from Schaub. That, and the Cougar homerism. IMHO, none of our three current QB's will be the starting QB next season.

I remember when the team talked about Tj's Aura.

& after watching Keenum play in a real game, I can get on board with the theory that the team laid down on Schaub. They thought they had something in Tj, then they're watching Keenum make plays against our 1st team defense in practice... then they get chastised every time Schaub scores 6+1 for the other team.....

thunderkyss
10-25-2013, 09:24 AM
Total fallacy to believe Schaub would have been within one point and even have a chance at a game winning drive.

Anyone that believes that did not pay enough attention during the Rams game.

TJ

Or anyone believing that didn't watch the Seattle game. Schaub dismantled the best secondary in the NFL outside the Texans. From within the system. Case played streetball against the 3rd best secondary & won. After last Sunday though, no one is going to be sleeping on Case Keenum.

To me this is a six in one hand & half a dozen in the other situation. Both guys are going to need this team to step up in a big way if we're going to get to where we want to go. The second year upstart has the same odds of doing it as the 10 year vet (a 10 year vet that has played very well in this system).

I've been saying all year, the perception of Matt Schaub was going to change... & it has. Could have been a hero, turned out to be a zero. Going forward, the same can still happen, for either..... this is a damn talented team. However, betting that Schaub will turn into that hero (after six years) is a sucker's bet.

& Kubiak ain't that sucker.

HTown2ATX
10-25-2013, 10:40 AM
I don't disagree. But you could say that about any backup or PS guy or off the street guy. He's not special just because he is a local kid or doing it for our team. The odds are stacked well against him, and while I want him to be successful because I want the team to win, I'm not drinking the koolaid about a short UDFA QB from a gimmick offense and ready to hail him as the face of the franchise after one game like some people are around here.

I get what you're saying. But if you saw Matt Barkley come in and play for Philly you saw what a 3rd string QB is supposed to look like. A steaming pile of dog $hit. Keenum looked like an actual QB in the NFL.

Not saying he is the answer either, however, really wish people would stop downplaying what everyone clearly saw last week.

People downplaying that sounds a lot like the Iraq'i guy who claimed there were no US troops in Iraq....

Rey
10-25-2013, 10:41 AM
If Schaub gets sacked four times in the fourth quarter while only getting one first down, irregardless of the RB situation, in a one point loss where the defense allowed only 17 points... he would be crucified.

Keenum does it and he is hailed as having an amazing game and crowned the franchise QB of the future. Lots of leniency being given to Case with the RB injuries, the KC crowd, the KC defense being able to go off on the passing game, etc.

Schaub has been in the league since keenum was fresh out of middle school.

Also, it's the potential keenum showed. The playmaking ability that has people excited about his future. He did positive things that we have not seen around here out of a QB. No one is saying he can fail to read blitzes and make hot reads for the rest of his career and be considered successful.

If you step back and look at it objectively you'd understand why people like what case did.

Double Barrel
10-25-2013, 12:48 PM
If Schaub gets sacked four times in the fourth quarter while only getting one first down, irregardless of the RB situation, in a one point loss where the defense allowed only 17 points... he would be crucified.

Don't you think Schaub setting the dubious NFL record of four pick 6's in four games might have something to do with fan attitude toward him?

yeah, Keenum looked like a rookie at the end of the game. Perhaps the rest of the VETERANS on the team should have stepped up their game to make up for it. Newton should be ashamed to put on a Texans uniform. I blame him for some of those sacks as much as anyone else.

Keenum did not throw a pick at KC. I honestly do not believe Schaub would have gotten out of that game without throwing a pick, much less have a 110 QBR in the end.

There is no "moral victory" to me. They lost, in spite of one of their best games this season, to a better team. However, that does not mean we cannot analyze the performance in order to objectively reach a conclusion.

Schaub has been in the league since keenum was fresh out of middle school.

Also, it's the potential keenum showed. The playmaking ability that has people excited about his future. He did positive things that we have not seen around here out of a QB. No one is saying he can fail to read blitzes and make hot reads for the rest of his career and be considered successful.

If you step back and look at it objectively you'd understand why people like what case did.

Exactly. The kid showed composure and an obvious ability to extend plays that Schaub simply cannot make due to severe physical limitations. Give Case more experience - and maybe a line that can protect him when it really matters - and we have yet to see how high his ceiling can be.

Some folks seem to believe that Schaub can be the 2010-1011 version. But, he's not and will never be. His already bad immobility is getting worse, and now he seems mentally broken. At some point, we just have to admit what our eyes are seeing out there.

thunderkyss
10-25-2013, 12:53 PM
I get what you're saying. But if you saw Matt Barkley come in and play for Philly you saw what a 3rd string QB is supposed to look like. A steaming pile of dog $hit. Keenum looked like an actual QB in the NFL.


Anybody watch Mike Glennon lead the Bucs to a "We really need to find a QB" loss?

That's what I consider an expected performance from a 3rd string QB, who had a lot of the same issues against him as Keenum did. #3 total defense, top 10 against the pass & the run. The 6'7" QB from NCState threw the ball 41 times for 275 yards, 5.4 yards per attempt, 1 TD, 0 INTs & really his game could have been a lot better if his receivers didn't drop a ton of catchable balls.

Glennon did nothing to to lose that game for the Bucs...... just didn't win it. Nobody is looking at Glennon thinking they've got their future QB, even though he was poised, played well within their system, bought time, made plays, etc.. etc.. etc...

Good, not great.

Keenum's stats were more impressive. 6 plays of 25+ yards, 10.8 ypa, 110.6 rating versus a comparable defense (Glennon had an 80.1 passer rating against the Panthers). But, imo (& that's all it is, my opinion) the two fumbles turn an otherwise excellent performance into a "meh" performance. Especially when one effectively ended the game.

Yup, one "Awe sht" erases a whole bunch of "Atta boys"


Granted, Keenum's performance points to hope. That was his first start, vs Glennon's 4th.

speedfreek
10-25-2013, 01:10 PM
>You must have missed the end of the only two victories the Texans have this year. Pretty sure that was Schaub leading two end of game scoring drives for the win.

So you are putting forth the contention that Matt Schaub, in his current mental state, with no Daniels, no Foster (for most of the game),
Tate with broken ribs, no Manning, and no Cushing in the 4th -- would
have been in the game enough to rally on to victory in the final drive?

Interesting..

TJ

cstyle42
10-25-2013, 01:16 PM
You must have missed the end of the only two victories the Texans have this year. Pretty sure that was Schaub leading two end of game scoring drives for the win.

Technically he was down more than one point in both games, so the explicit "one point" in your straw man argument still has validity, even if the overall tone of your post holds no merit.

Like Keenum, you get a moral victory!

Neither San Diego Chargers or Tennessee Titans are not the undefeated Kansas City Chiefs.

CloakNNNdagger
10-25-2013, 01:32 PM
Pro UofH Culture Map (I know) and Jim Nance may be beginning to turn Phil Simms.

Phil Simms heard about the University of Houston quarterback week after week after week. Jim Nantz just wouldn't let it go.

This was during the 2011 college football season when Case Keenum took advantage of a sixth year of eligibility to shatter the NCAA record book. Simms received enthusiastic weekly updates on Keenum from Nantz — whether he wanted to or not.

"I'd tell him how Case was 38 of 45," Nantz laughs.

"No, it was more like 48 of 53 every week," Simms breaks in, noting Keenum's often obscenely good numbers with the Cougars. "So I ask Jim, 'How tall is this Keenum?' And he's like, '6-4, 6-5.' I don't think so."

"I was just trying to pump up the hometown guy a little bit," Nantz says.

It almost sounds like Nantz is getting Simms to come around on Keenum. This is what happens when your belief is absolute.

Keenum, of course, actually measures in at around 6-feet. His lack of "quarterback height" helped guarantee that every NFL team would stubbornly, stupidly pass on him in the 2012 Draft. Now that Keenum's made an NFL start — with Simms and Nantz calling the game for CBS in Kansas City — no one's really focusing on how tall the Houston Texans' new quarterback stands. Not with Keenum completing six passes of more than 25 yards and nearly leading the 2-5 Texans to a road upset of the NFL's only undefeated team.

"He plays like he's 6-5," Nantz says.

This earns another eye roll from Simms. When you're part of a broadcast team, you spend a lot of time together. The former New York Giants quarterback and the TV pro's pro travel to the city of their Sunday game assignment on Friday and work in close quarters for much of the next three days. That includes plenty of Saturday production meetings that are often taken over by college football happenings.

And specifically, Nantz's University of Houston love.

The 54-year-old Nantz is as proud of a UH graduate as you'll ever find. Simms has spent years hearing about the Cougars. That became more than apparent during CultureMap's visit to the CBS broadcast booth in Kansas City.

"Did you tell him how crazy you got during the BYU game?" Simms asks, referencing Houston's 47-46 loss to Brigham Young University last Saturday, one that had Nantz twisting in his seat.

Nantz calls it "fortuitous" that he happened to call Keenum's first NFL game. Simms might use another word. After years of hearing about Keenum — and somewhat scoffing — there the quarterback was walking into a production meeting with CBS's No. 1 NFL TV team.

"How impressive was he?" Nantz asks Simms of the meeting, which saw a relaxed Keenum easily command the attention of grizzled TV vets — producers and production people who've seen it all.

"You could tell he'd done it before in college," Simms shoots back. "It's not his first rodeo. He comes across as confident though. I'll give you that."

Nantz calls it "fortuitous" that he happened to call Keenum's first NFL game. Simms might use another word.

It almost sounds like Nantz is getting Simms to come around on Keenum. This is what happens when your belief is absolute. And the evidence follows. Before Keenum threw his first pass in the NFL, Nantz saw him as a legitimate option. Like many UH devotees who actually watched Keenum play in college, Nantz knew the quarterback was anything but a smaller conference myth — which is largely the tack a resolutely doubting Houston media took.rest of the story (http://houston.culturemap.com/news/sports/10-24-13-jim-nantz-annoys-phil-simms-with-his-case-keenum-love-houston-texans-quarterback/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

HTown2ATX
10-25-2013, 02:59 PM
i just love it how some posters dont want to give case keenum any rope or benefit of the doubt yet these same posters i bet gave mat schaub 7 years of patience but cant do the same for a kid despite all the factors against him in that game showed great potential, played well, and got the respect of chiefs players but cant get the same respect from his own fan base.


Schaub had six pro bowlers on offense last year and stunk up the joint yet it took him setting dubious records this year for most of the people to finally wake up.

Keenum goes on short notice with half the weapons schaub had last year and cant even get any leniency from some posters.

Very sad and very hypocritical.

MSR

To reiterate.....go back and watch Matt Barkley...who went to big time program and was drafted and was also a 3rd string QB....go back and watch how he diarrhea'ed his pants for the Eagles last week. THAT is what you EXPECT a 3rd stringer to bring.

Case Keenum was light years better than that and frankly light years better than Schaub, Yates and probably half the NFL with all the $hitty QB'ing going on this year but yeah.....keep telling us how he was average to below average.

http://blog.ourstage.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Ray-Charles-Photo1.jpg

klockWork
10-25-2013, 07:48 PM
I thought it was odd seeing Nantz & Simms calling the Texans vs Chiefs game as they usually are billed to do top games for cbs which would've been the Jets vs Pats that week. Apparently Nantz must have annoyed his producers into giving him the Houston game.

Surreal McCoy
10-26-2013, 01:44 AM
I find this thread rather odd. When opposing owners told Bob McNair he was 'on track', TT went into typical meltdown mode accusing him of being easily fooled. The old double-bluff from the other owners was never sniffed out by Boob.

Now, we have the exact same thing happening with KC players saying how great Keenum was, yet strangely, no one on TT thinks it's double-speak.

Dear me. This is getting difficult to follow...:smiliepalm:

Carr Bombed
10-26-2013, 01:50 AM
I find this thread rather odd. When opposing owners told Bob McNair he was 'on track', TT went into typical meltdown mode accusing him of being easily fooled. The old double-bluff from the other owners was never sniffed out by Boob.

Now, we have the exact same thing happening with KC players saying how great Keenum was, yet strangely, no one on TT thinks it's double-speak.

Dear me. This is getting difficult to follow...:smiliepalm:

Did you hurt your back reaching for that? :rolleyes: LOL. One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other. First of all, Players actually play and can talk about the competition they play against and second this isn't people talking about a "team", they're talking about one singe player.. trust me if they wanted to sabotage us, they would speak highly of the NFL pick 6 record holder.. not the guy who just put up the highest passer rating against them. 3rd, owners are just like us, they just watch.

As far as what was said back then, I remember it.. I highly doubt the owners were so worried about Bob and his new team (led by Carr) where the other owners felt they had to "fool" him in some grand conspiracy agreement like the Texans were some growing threat to all their success. I mean there's 32 teams in the league, but they only wanted to keep the Texans down? That take didn't make sense then and it still doesn't now and neither does this one. Especially since KC isn't a divisional opponent and I highly doubt they expect to see us again this season, so why the need for the "double speak"?

Vance87
10-26-2013, 02:02 AM
I find this thread rather odd. When opposing owners told Bob McNair he was 'on track', TT went into typical meltdown mode accusing him of being easily fooled. The old double-bluff from the other owners was never sniffed out by Boob.

Now, we have the exact same thing happening with KC players saying how great Keenum was, yet strangely, no one on TT thinks it's double-speak.

Dear me. This is getting difficult to follow...:smiliepalm:

Yes, I'm sure the Chiefs were lulling Case into a false sense of confidence so that they'll have the upper hand on him when they play him again in 3 years.



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Surreal McCoy
10-26-2013, 02:26 AM
As far as what was said back then, I remember it..

It was after the 2010 season.

Rey
10-26-2013, 02:37 AM
I find this thread rather odd. When opposing owners told Bob McNair he was 'on track', TT went into typical meltdown mode accusing him of being easily fooled. The old double-bluff from the other owners was never sniffed out by Boob.

Now, we have the exact same thing happening with KC players saying how great Keenum was, yet strangely, no one on TT thinks it's double-speak.

Dear me. This is getting difficult to follow...:smiliepalm:

Who cares what the Kansas City players said...

Did you watch the game?

If the KC players come out and say he just got a little lucky chez really sucks, who cares.
And not to take sides on the owners/McNair thing, but what does that have to do with anything?

Carr Bombed
10-26-2013, 02:43 AM
It was after the 2010 season.

So? You really think the owners were conspiring to stop the all and powerful Texans' machine? :) (Short answer.."No") Again, it was as stupid then as it is now.

What does that have to do with how Chief players feel about Keenum's performance? A team they won't face in the near future. What motive do they possibly have to "double talk"?

thunderkyss
10-26-2013, 02:59 AM
Now, we have the exact same thing happening with KC players saying how great Keenum was, yet strangely, no one on TT thinks it's double-speak.



When Quentin Demps says, "I told y'all....... "

...... doesn't really sound like the rope-a-dope. He (being a safety) sounds like he was happy that Keenum threw 6 passes for over 25 yards against them. I doubt that's happened very often against them.

Again, not the kind of thing a safety usually brags about.

Lucky
10-26-2013, 06:34 AM
It was after the 2010 season.
It was after Raven MNF OT loss when McNair went to the NFL meetings.

I guess you think Schaub is still "on the right track"?