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dalemurphy
10-20-2013, 08:08 PM
Wow! Perhaps I am simply too big a fan of these guys to be a realist. I did not understand how physically limited Schaub was until I saw Keenum playing the position today. The movement, the release, and the opportunity for playmaking was a stark difference from what we have been dealing with- at least since the lisfranc injury.

Not only that, but he was very poised, I thought. Clearly, there were issues make hot reads and accounting for overload blitzes late in the game. However, I think the most costly mistake of the game was the decision to not activate Cierre Wood. Tate was clearly unable to do anything... KC knew it and pinned their ears back. If the Texans had the ability to run the ball, the second half goes very differently.

I must agree that this team should go forward with Keenum in two weeks. After that, we will see. Not in my most optimistic moment (and I did think we had a chance to win this game), did I expect to be so impressed with him today. Hard not to get excited about the kid. I did not see an issue with arm strength, release, size, etc... He seems to have the tools and showed the potential to be a leader, though much of that develops (or doesn't) over time.

While being very critical of Kubiak's decision to not activate Wood, I must say that he did an excellent job preparing Keenum to playing and putting together a winning gameplan for him. Who would of thought the entire game would be played from pistol... Genius, given Keenum's comfort in shotgun but also to combat the noise level.

DocBar
10-20-2013, 08:19 PM
Good post. I am wondering about some of Kubiak's play calling and burning timeouts like they were going out of style, but all in all, I agree with what you're saying.

76Texan
10-20-2013, 08:38 PM
I think I will need to rewatch the games a few more times, but Keenum does pass the eye ball test.

ATXtexanfan
10-20-2013, 08:45 PM
Case doesnt change our need to make qb top priority next yr

PHILLYTEXANFAN
10-20-2013, 08:47 PM
case doesnt change our need to make qb top priority next yr

^^^^this!!!

utahmark
10-20-2013, 08:49 PM
the burning of timeouts is due to the fact that he doesnt allow audible freedom and the lack of a no huddle offense.

its a complete disadvantage coaching and strategy wise.

We need a new coach that is up with the modern times in the nfl. How can you not have a no huddle QB audible system set up in 2013?

Or maybe we had a QB who never started a down in the NFL before.

Rey
10-20-2013, 08:51 PM
Thank you dale. That was a good post.

Whether case is the guy or not, it should be clear that what we had at the qb position before was not good enough.

Rey
10-20-2013, 08:54 PM
I think I will need to rewatch the games a few more times, but Keenum does pass the eye ball test.

Please just don't excuse away all of his mistakes 76. That'd be more fuel to the fire.

fiasco west
10-20-2013, 08:54 PM
Case doesnt change our need to make qb top priority next yr

Unfortunately Newton and Smith changes our need...and perhaps Cushing...

I think Case will play well enough if he's given the chance to.

OL has been a much bigger issue and so has LB position in general.

datchapin
10-20-2013, 08:56 PM
Case doesnt change our need to make qb top priority next yr

After one game of course not. However after today's performance he deserves the chance to play and make a case to be the QB moving forward. After all the years and chances Schaub was given CK should be given the opportunity to prove his worth on the team.

I like what I saw today and would like to see how he develops. My 2 cents.

AMartin56
10-20-2013, 09:10 PM
Case deserves to start. Kubiak and Schaub need to go. Draft for value in first...take QB in the second of a deep QB draft. It's not like our 2nd round picks have been can't misses under Rick.

chicagotexan2
10-20-2013, 09:14 PM
Unfortunately Newton and Smith changes our need...and perhaps Cushing...

I think Case will play well enough if he's given the chance to.

OL has been a much bigger issue and so has LB position in general.

Newton is a worse RT than Schaub is a QB. Even if Schaub were to play again he'd get smacked like keenum because newton is awful. There are more positions to focus on with the first pick than QB.

dalemurphy
10-20-2013, 09:14 PM
Unfortunately Newton and Smith changes our need...and perhaps Cushing...

I think Case will play well enough if he's given the chance to.

OL has been a much bigger issue and so has LB position in general.

There is another reality to consider. Regardless of what you think about Kubiak, he does quite a bit with limited talent at QB. From Rosenfels, to Schaub, to Yates, to Keenum... I'm not sure that if Keenum shows well, we need to attack the position early in the draft- there are mid round possibilities, not to mention guys available in the off-season that could add significant depth. Plus, whether we keep Schaub next year or not, there will be a salary cap cost to deal with, so that also may limit our aggressiveness at that position. Also, I must say, Schaub is a heck of an option as a #2- assessing Keenum the next few weeks will determine a lot!

Also, I agree the Oline must be addressed! Newton is killing me!.. and though I like the 5th rounder who played some LG, Williams' knee injury means he should be an afterthought. They need to upgrade the position! Also, I don't think Ben Jones is the answer at Center and finding Myers' replacement is not a bad idea.

ILB!!! must be addressed. Even with Cushing, we are thin in talent at ILB. I think the Mays signing was a very good one- and while he is a plug and play guy that has playmaking ability, he is not a guy to count on the next 2 or 3 years as a starter.

Otherwise, the team will have pieces to replace at RB and need to continue to add to secondary depth. Still, I think the talent base and future looks very good... and, depending on how we overcome the Cushing loss, I think this season isn't lost yet- need to win all of our division games, though!

Finally, I am in love with our WR situation! If we have a QB that can get the ball to them like Keenum did today, the combination of Hopkins, Posey, and an aging AJ is pretty freakin' sweet!

2012Champs
10-20-2013, 09:18 PM
If schaub isn't 100% ;) Gary can give case another start without qb controversy

dalemurphy
10-20-2013, 09:18 PM
Newton is a worse RT than Schaub is a QB. Even if Schaub were to play again he'd get smacked like keenum because newton is awful. There are more positions to focus on with the first pick than QB.

The two biggest coaching blunders today:

1. not activating Cierre Wood
2. Playing Newton instead of Harris on the final two drives of the 4th quarter. (Newton's athleticism is sometimes an asset in the run game- but, given the fact that we had no running back and the Chief defense were in attack mode, Harris needed to be in the game- he was in the 1st half on both scoring drives, I think)

Big Lou
10-20-2013, 09:19 PM
Case doesnt change our need to make qb top priority next yr

Unfortunately it looks like we will be taking a LB pretty early, gonna be tough to get both.

fiasco west
10-20-2013, 09:21 PM
There is another reality to consider. Regardless of what you think about Kubiak, he does quite a bit with limited talent at QB. From Rosenfels, to Schaub, to Yates, to Keenum... I'm not sure that if Keenum shows well, we need to attack the position early in the draft- there are mid round possibilities, not to mention guys available in the off-season that could add significant depth. Plus, whether we keep Schaub next year or not, there will be a salary cap cost to deal with, so that also may limit our aggressiveness at that position. Also, I must say, Schaub is a heck of an option as a #2- assessing Keenum the next few weeks will determine a lot!

Also, I agree the Oline must be addressed! Newton is killing me!.. and though I like the 5th rounder who played some LG, Williams' knee injury means he should be an afterthought. They need to upgrade the position! Also, I don't think Ben Jones is the answer at Center and finding Myers' replacement is not a bad idea.

ILB!!! must be addressed. Even with Cushing, we are thin in talent at ILB. I think the Mays signing was a very good one- and while he is a plug and play guy that has playmaking ability, he is not a guy to count on the next 2 or 3 years as a starter.

Otherwise, the team will have pieces to replace at RB and need to continue to add to secondary depth. Still, I think the talent base and future looks very good... and, depending on how we overcome the Cushing loss, I think this season isn't lost yet- need to win all of our division games, though!

Finally, I am in love with our WR situation! If we have a QB that can get the ball to them like Keenum did today, the combination of Hopkins, Posey, and an aging AJ is pretty freakin' sweet!

Forgot all about RB because yeah Ben Tate is gone and I'm not sure he'll be worth the price a team is going to pay him as he has problems staying healthy (even as a backup back with limited carries) and fumbles the ball more than Foster even though Foster carries it a ton more.

Good thing about the HB situation is Kubiak is historically pretty good with the run game. I think Case will prove just enough for the Texans to hold off on using a high pick at QB because we have more pressing needs like obviously the Oline which is in dire need of help right now.

YeaLikeRightNow
10-20-2013, 09:22 PM
Unfortunately Newton and Smith changes our need...and perhaps Cushing...

I think Case will play well enough if he's given the chance to.

OL has been a much bigger issue and so has LB position in general.


Well stated...this is our "needs list" for next season!

dalemurphy
10-20-2013, 09:27 PM
Well stated...this is our "needs list" for next season!

Watching Newton, it is very difficult to comprehend how he can receive competent coaching by a good NFL offensive line coach (Benton is certainly competent), be such a good athlete, and have such hideous technique after three years in the NFL. It just doesn't make sense. If he was a 1st round stud, then I could guess that he is perhaps too arrogant and stubborn to take coaching. However, as a late round pick, trying to make it in the NFL, without any attitude problems I'm aware of, I just don't get it! Some guys, I guess, just aren't coachable.

YeaLikeRightNow
10-20-2013, 09:29 PM
Watching Newton, it is very difficult to comprehend how he can receive competent coaching by a good NFL offensive line coach (Benton is certainly competent), be such a good athlete, and have such hideous technique after three years in the NFL. It just doesn't make sense. If he was a 1st round stud, then I could guess that he is perhaps too arrogant and stubborn to take coaching. However, as a late round pick, trying to make it in the NFL, without any attitude problems I'm aware of, I just don't get it! Some guys, I guess, just aren't coachable.


Newton could be quicker if he'd drop a few pounds. His hand techniques are absent, his footwork makes him look very busy, as if he's really trying hard; but he goes nowhere.

dream_team
10-20-2013, 09:30 PM
The two biggest coaching blunders today:

1. not activating Cierre Wood
2. Playing Newton instead of Harris on the final two drives of the 4th quarter. (Newton's athleticism is sometimes an asset in the run game- but, given the fact that we had no running back and the Chief defense were in attack mode, Harris needed to be in the game- he was in the 1st half on both scoring drives, I think)

Come on... it's not fair playing hindsight. Who knew both Foster and Tate would get hurt today in the same game? This isn't the first time Cierre has been inactive.

Newton on the other hand... I have no idea why Harris doesn't start?

Rey
10-20-2013, 09:32 PM
Newton runs well but he doesn't slide his feet well.

fiasco west
10-20-2013, 09:34 PM
Come on... it's not fair playing hindsight. Who knew both Foster and Tate would get hurt today in the same game? This isn't the first time Cierre has been inactive.

Newton on the other hand... I have no idea why Harris doesn't start?

Tate is always banged up...I think it's pretty common to carry 3 HBs. It was just a odd decision not to, Wood must be a horrible special teams player for them not to do so.

dalemurphy
10-20-2013, 09:42 PM
Come on... it's not fair playing hindsight. Who knew both Foster and Tate would get hurt today in the same game? This isn't the first time Cierre has been inactive.

Newton on the other hand... I have no idea why Harris doesn't start?

Well, when you are missing one of your TEs... are playing the best pass rushing defense in the league with a QB making his first start- doing it on the road in one of the two loudest stadiums in the NFL... and one of your RBs missed significant practice with a strained hamstring, I think it is simply common sense.

This is not hindsight. I gasped when I saw he was inactive on page 3 of the gameday thread this afternoon before the game started... Did we really need 5 WRs? Lester Jean could've been inactive. Particularly for this game. It just didn't make sense. I'm not going to criticize the 6 active CBs because Mack (#43) is the only reason the special team's unit didn't look even worse.

thunderkyss
10-20-2013, 09:45 PM
However, I think the most costly mistake of the game was the decision to not activate Cierre Wood. Tate was clearly unable to do anything...


With everyone saying that Tate could start on many other teams in the NFL, I don't know that I would have activated Cierre Wood. If Tate could play like a lot of people thought he was capable of, spelling him with Greg Jones would have been a fine emergency plan.

Then, it looked like we had every possible WR active for the game, Andre, DeAndre, Martin, Posey, LeStar..... then Mohammed, & Mack was activated for special teams, Jamison was activated, probably trying to keep Antonio & Watt fresh...



I must agree that this team should go forward with Keenum in two weeks. After that, we will see.


Not me. He's the starter. It's got to be his job to lose. Can't be willy nilly about it, Kubiak needs to grab his sack & get behind his starter.

dalemurphy
10-20-2013, 09:48 PM
With everyone saying that Tate could start on many other teams in the NFL, I don't know that I would have activated Cierre Wood. If Tate could play like a lot of people thought he was capable of, spelling him with Greg Jones would have been a fine emergency plan.

Then, it looked like we had every possible WR active for the game, Andre, DeAndre, Martin, Posey, LeStar..... then Mohammed, & Mack was activated for special teams, Jamison was activated, probably trying to keep Antonio & Watt fresh...




Not me. He's the starter. It's got to be his job to lose. Can't be willy nilly about it, Kubiak needs to grab his sack & get behind his starter.


I don't think a pronouncement like "he's starting the rest of this season" is needed. I expect that he will be given a significant opportunity. I'm just tempering my enthusiasm and expectations. It was only one game. If he shows up in two weeks and goes 10 - 30 with 3 interceptions, I may feel different. But, yeah, I think the coaches and players in that locker room are feeling better about QB position right now than they have in the recent history. Awww, the wonder of the unknown- it has limitless potential.

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 09:53 PM
Wow! Perhaps I am simply too big a fan of these guys to be a realist. I did not understand how physically limited Schaub was until I saw Keenum playing the position today. The movement, the release, and the opportunity for playmaking was a stark difference from what we have been dealing with- at least since the lisfranc injury.

Not only that, but he was very poised, I thought. Clearly, there were issues make hot reads and accounting for overload blitzes late in the game. However, I think the most costly mistake of the game was the decision to not activate Cierre Wood. Tate was clearly unable to do anything... KC knew it and pinned their ears back. If the Texans had the ability to run the ball, the second half goes very differently.

I must agree that this team should go forward with Keenum in two weeks. After that, we will see. Not in my most optimistic moment (and I did think we had a chance to win this game), did I expect to be so impressed with him today. Hard not to get excited about the kid. I did not see an issue with arm strength, release, size, etc... He seems to have the tools and showed the potential to be a leader, though much of that develops (or doesn't) over time.

While being very critical of Kubiak's decision to not activate Wood, I must say that he did an excellent job preparing Keenum to playing and putting together a winning gameplan for him. Who would of thought the entire game would be played from pistol... Genius, given Keenum's comfort in shotgun but also to combat the noise level.

:lol: welcome to the darkside... you do realize that you'll now be accused of being a UofH homer even though you never ever stepped foot on their campus, as well as being a Schaub hater, a Kubiak hater, as well as just not being a Texans fan in general. :) so buckle up and enjoy the ride comrade

houstonspartan
10-20-2013, 09:56 PM
Keenum did well, and was fun to watch. But, we can't forget about the Big Picture, and the following two things:

1) We are 2-5.

2) We have had the same head coach for 8 YEARS!!!


Those two things are unacceptable.

I know everyone wants to give Gary Kubiak a pass today, but, the truth is, he is not a qb guru, and he has been a head coach for 8 years.

Also: we are right against the salary cap; which means we have spent tons of money on talent.

Not trying to be a Debbie Downer. I liked Case today. But, the truth is, we are likely sitting at home come playoff time.

That's not cool, folks.

Steal Your Face
10-20-2013, 09:56 PM
The two biggest coaching blunders today:

1. not activating Cierre Wood
2. Playing Newton instead of Harris on the final two drives of the 4th quarter. (Newton's athleticism is sometimes an asset in the run game- but, given the fact that we had no running back and the Chief defense were in attack mode, Harris needed to be in the game- he was in the 1st half on both scoring drives, I think)
3. Not running screens when KC was blitzing us silly.

dalemurphy
10-20-2013, 10:04 PM
:lol: welcome to the darkside... you do realize that you'll now be accused of being a UofH homer even though you never ever stepped foot on their campus, as well as being a Schaub hater, a Kubiak hater, as well as just not being a Texans fan in general. :) so buckle up and enjoy the ride comrade


I have been one of the harshest critiques of those advocating starting Keenum and benching Schaub, I think, and I never accused anyone of being a Schaub hater... Now, those were gleeful over his injury, I did take issue with.

Regarding Kubiak, I just disagreed with the conspiracy theories. The guy wants to win as much as anyone. He just thought Schaub was their best option. So did I. I don't think either he or I believe that anymore.

I remain a huge Kubiak fan. I know that he is responsible for this very disappointing season. I know that he is not the quickest to make adjustments. I realize he struggles to assess his players. I know he does not inspire the fan base. If the team fails to rally and make the playoffs, I think fans would be justified in wanting him fired and replaced by someone else. Still, I like him and enjoy rooting for him, watching his team, listening to his press conferences, etc... I will continue to root for him even when he moves on, whenever that is. So, I doubt anyone will be calling me a Kubiak-hater.

dalemurphy
10-20-2013, 10:06 PM
3. Not running screens when KC was blitzing us silly.

They tried one to Posey... it was blown up.

I imagine they had them in the game plan but they were screens to the running backs... and, we didn't have any!

hradhak
10-20-2013, 10:10 PM
I have been one of the harshest critiques of those advocating starting Keenum and benching Schaub, I think, and I never accused anyone of being a Schaub hater... Now, those were gleeful over his injury, I did take issue with.

Regarding Kubiak, I just disagreed with the conspiracy theories. The guy wants to win as much as anyone. He just thought Schaub was their best option. So did I. I don't think either he or I believe that anymore.

I remain a huge Kubiak fan. I know that he is responsible for this very disappointing season. I know that he is not the quickest to make adjustments. I realize he struggles to assess his players. I know he does not inspire the fan base. If the team fails to rally and make the playoffs, I think fans would be justified in wanting him fired and replaced by someone else. Still, I like him and enjoy rooting for him, watching his team, listening to his press conferences, etc... I will continue to root for him even when he moves on, whenever that is. So, I doubt anyone will be calling me a Kubiak-hater.

I've been supportive of Kubiak pretty much the entire time he's been here. He's done a lot for the offense with a QB that is average. That's saying something. I think Kubiak's flaw as holding onto players / coaches has caused us a lot of the problems we have.

I hope that Keenum gets more playing time this season. I think he needs to be vetted as a player for the rest of the season. I think you still draft a QB next season and have competition.

I think we will likely not be resigning a lot of players for cap / not worth the cost issues. I would like us to be agressive in FA and the draft. Next year maybe a rebuilding year and it would be a good time to find our QB for the future.

Steal Your Face
10-20-2013, 10:11 PM
They tried one to Posey... it was blown up.

I imagine they had them in the game plan but they were screens to the running backs... and, we didn't have any!

We could have thrown screens to Tate. Greg Jones is a FB but I am sure he could run a screen. I'm not a Kubiak hater - but this really puzzled me. Other teams usually take our aggressiveness on D and bust us for huge plays on screens ... we usually execute them very well. I thought we would see more than just one to Posey

fiasco west
10-20-2013, 10:17 PM
We could have thrown screens to Tate. Greg Jones is a FB but I am sure he could run a screen. I'm not a Kubiak hater - but this really puzzled me. Other teams usually take our aggressiveness on D and bust us for huge plays on screens ... we usually execute them very well. I thought we would see more than just one to Posey

After the injury Tate was pretty much not out there. It must have been understood that he was just lining up as HB just to do so because he must have had like 3 carries at most in the 2nd half?

Will be interesting to see how the offense looks after the bye week.

hradhak
10-20-2013, 10:17 PM
We could have thrown screens to Tate. Greg Jones is a FB but I am sure he could run a screen. I'm not a Kubiak hater - but this really puzzled me. Other teams usually take our aggressiveness on D and bust us for huge plays on screens ... we usually execute them very well. I thought we would see more than just one to Posey

I would have liked to have seen a few more fades. 3 step drop and throws like we were running in the first half, etc. My biggest problem with the playcalling was that they had plays that worked to counteract the blitz but didn't call them in the second half.

The fact that KC's overload blitz worked 3 consecutive times on 3rd and long is an embarassment to the coaching staff.

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 10:18 PM
I have been one of the harshest critiques of those advocating starting Keenum and benching Schaub, I think, and I never accused anyone of being a Schaub hater... Now, those were gleeful over his injury, I did take issue with.

Regarding Kubiak, I just disagreed with the conspiracy theories. The guy wants to win as much as anyone. He just thought Schaub was their best option. So did I. I don't think either he or I believe that anymore.

I remain a huge Kubiak fan. I know that he is responsible for this very disappointing season. I know that he is not the quickest to make adjustments. I realize he struggles to assess his players. I know he does not inspire the fan base. If the team fails to rally and make the playoffs, I think fans would be justified in wanting him fired and replaced by someone else. Still, I like him and enjoy rooting for him, watching his team, listening to his press conferences, etc... I will continue to root for him even when he moves on, whenever that is. So, I doubt anyone will be calling me a Kubiak-hater.

When I made a positive "keenum" post I was called a "Kubiak hater", so don't be surprised when it happens to you... and I feel the same as you do about Kubiak. I feel that he was always limited with Schaub and the options he's had at QB and it's sad that once he finally found the player/QB that could've truly allowed him to open up and max out his playbook and play calling ability, it might have came a hair too late.

Schaub has been nothing but a ball and chain.. he's like a governing chip on a high octane sports car. It's time to get rid of the restraints and see what this offense can do.

Rey
10-20-2013, 10:19 PM
My problems with kubiak are:

1) he's slow to react
2) loyal to a fault
3) will get rid of play makers for more safe guys because he's too afraid of mistakes

If he goes back to Schaub I'll officially be on the fire kubiak wagon. That will show me that he hasn't grown as a coach at all which is what I'm hoping happens because overall I like him.

dalemurphy
10-20-2013, 11:05 PM
We could have thrown screens to Tate. Greg Jones is a FB but I am sure he could run a screen. I'm not a Kubiak hater - but this really puzzled me. Other teams usually take our aggressiveness on D and bust us for huge plays on screens ... we usually execute them very well. I thought we would see more than just one to Posey

Tate was done. He was out there as a decoy. He couldn't move. I doubt, also, that Greg Jones would've been effective running screens which I'm sure he had not practiced.

dalemurphy
10-20-2013, 11:08 PM
My problems with kubiak are:

1) he's slow to react
2) loyal to a fault
3) will get rid of play makers for more safe guys because he's too afraid of mistakes

If he goes back to Schaub I'll officially be on the fire kubiak wagon. That will show me that he hasn't grown as a coach at all which is what I'm hoping happens because overall I like him.

I generally agree with you- not sure about #3 though. I think he likes team players with a certain attitude. I don't think it is about risk but about selfishness vs. team... and I totally agree with him on that.

I would be totally shocked if they reverted back to Schaub... certainly not until a series of events indicating Keenum wasn't getting it done

DX-TEX
10-20-2013, 11:10 PM
I generally agree with you- not sure about #3 though. I think he likes team players with a certain attitude. I don't think it is about risk but about selfishness vs. team... and I totally agree with him on that.

I would be totally shocked if they reverted back to Schaub... certainly not until a series of events indicating Keenum wasn't getting it done

The fact that the majority of us even consider this a possibility says a lot. I would not be surprised in the LEAST if Gary goes back to noodle arm. But its his funeral and our sanity

legacy_gt
10-20-2013, 11:13 PM
andre sums it:

“He’s got confidence. Like I’ve said, there’s something about him. Every time he came into the huddle he brought energy. He was out there having fun and enjoying. That energy rubbed off on the whole team. He did some great things today. There’s no reason for him to hang his head.”

good thread...

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 11:18 PM
People need to relax.. Kubiak is not going back to Schaub as long as Keenum doesn't fall on his face or gets hurt. When they cut to Schaub during the game, did his expression really look like some one who was just out with a injury? Did Kubiak's post game comments really sould like a coach who is just waiting for his starter to come back? This team has already moved on.

Outside of injury and putrid play from Keenum, Schaub is done as a starter here and with his cap hit next year he won't be on this team. He knows it, Kubiak knows it, and even his teammates know it.

AMartin56
10-20-2013, 11:27 PM
I really don't understand how people can support Kubiak anymore. Is he a serial killer? Nope. And if he was my neighbor I'd probably get along with him. But as a coach he's close to .500 overall in his 8th year with his hand picked GM. How is this even remotely acceptable? How long are we supposed too wait for him to figure it out?

dalemurphy
10-20-2013, 11:27 PM
The fact that the majority of us even consider this a possibility says a lot. I would not be surprised in the LEAST if Gary goes back to noodle arm. But its his funeral and our sanity

What you think Kubiak may do doesn't say anything about Kubiak... It only speaks to your perspective/confidence in him, which may or may not have any basis in reality.

DocBar
10-20-2013, 11:28 PM
My problems with kubiak are:

1) he's slow to react
2) loyal to a fault
3) will get rid of play makers for more safe guys because he's too afraid of mistakes

If he goes back to Schaub I'll officially be on the fire kubiak wagon. That will show me that he hasn't grown as a coach at all which is what I'm hoping happens because overall I like him.MSR. Good post. Sometimes you gotta have some wildcard players that just ball and let them play with their instincts. Just like the Steelers do with Polomalu and the Ravens with Reed (back when he could play in the NFL) LINK (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/NFL-Films-Ed-Reed-and-Troy-Polamalu/09b06621-250a-4b9d-886b-f7eb4e8d822a)
Unfortunately, we have the 2013 version of the 80's Ken Stabler on the Oilers. Old and sucks.

dalemurphy
10-20-2013, 11:31 PM
I really don't understand how people can support Kubiak anymore. Is he a serial killer? Nope. And if he was my neighbor I'd probably get along with him. But as a coach he's close to .500 overall in his 8th year with his hand picked GM. How is this even remotely acceptable? How long are we supposed too wait for him to figure it out?

I like him. I enjoy the team he has built. It's not that complicated. I'm not arguing he's the best coach in the NFL. I'm sure I would rank him higher on my list than you would on yours...

I can support him and be disappointed with some of the results. It's not difficult, really.

waynegg
10-20-2013, 11:32 PM
Case doesnt change our need to make qb top priority next yr

What's your hardon against Case? Seriously? Just can't take it you were wrong or what?

AMartin56
10-20-2013, 11:36 PM
I like him. I enjoy the team he has built. It's not that complicated. I'm not arguing he's the best coach in the NFL. I'm sure I would rank him higher on my list than you would on yours...

I can support him and be disappointed with some of the results. It's not difficult, really.

I wish I could also enjoy a loser coach of an unachieving team. You probably enjoy the football season more than I do though so keep on keeping on.

houstonspartan
10-21-2013, 12:02 AM
I like him. I enjoy the team he has built. It's not that complicated. I'm not arguing he's the best coach in the NFL. I'm sure I would rank him higher on my list than you would on yours...

I can support him and be disappointed with some of the results. It's not difficult, really.


Actually, it is difficult. What is about him that you like so much? Is he nice? Sure. I'd give the guy my access to my bank account and not worry. But, I don't want him coaching my football team.

You seem to be more of a fan of Gary Kubiak than a fan of the Texans. There is a difference.

dalemurphy
10-21-2013, 12:12 AM
Actually, it is difficult. What is about him that you like so much? Is he nice? Sure. I'd give the guy my access to my bank account and not worry. But, I don't want him coaching my football team.

You seem to be more of a fan of Gary Kubiak than a fan of the Texans. There is a difference.


There will be a difference, eventually. Right now, there is no difference. I know that is difficult for you to understand. I remember in 2005, I was rooting for things to happen that would ensure Capers was fired. I was so confident that he and Casserly were a disaster that it was what I cared most about.

I'm not anywhere near that point with this organization and I like them more. But, I get your perspective... it's not fun. Glad I'm not there.

waynegg
10-21-2013, 12:15 AM
I generally agree with you- not sure about #3 though. I think he likes team players with a certain attitude. I don't think it is about risk but about selfishness vs. team...

I'm not wasting my energy on practice, I can't be ****ed with walking so I'll use a Segway instead, I'm a vegan now so I can look down on all you meat eaters...yeah, I get what you're saying...

houstonspartan
10-21-2013, 12:24 AM
There will be a difference, eventually. Right now, there is no difference. I know that is difficult for you to understand. I remember in 2005, I was rooting for things to happen that would ensure Capers was fired. I was so confident that he and Casserly were a disaster that it was what I cared most about.

I'm not anywhere near that point with this organization and I like them more. But, I get your perspective... it's not fun. Glad I'm not there.

Ok, well, we will have to agree to disagree. I see your point, I guess. I just see things different.

Apparently, McNair said after the game that the team is fine, and that there's no reason to criticize Kubiak; so, congrats to you and your 2-5 team (!?)(Shaking my head...)

eriadoc
10-21-2013, 12:33 AM
Case doesnt change our need to make qb top priority next yr

Yet. Give it a few games.

Newton is a worse RT than Schaub is a QB.

Have never liked Newton and have never understood people who said he'd be fine. He's always been awful.

Also, I agree the Oline must be addressed! Newton is killing me!.. and though I like the 5th rounder who played some LG, Williams' knee injury means he should be an afterthought. They need to upgrade the position! Also, I don't think Ben Jones is the answer at Center and finding Myers' replacement is not a bad idea.

I can't believe how bad this coaching staff seems to be at identifying and playing OL talent. Butler was supposed to be the replacement strategy for Winston, and most everyone knew that was going to be a downgrade. When Butler was outperformed by Newton, you knew the road was going to be a long, hard one. Antoine Caldwell never developed, and they somehow believed he could hold down the fort once Brisiel left, even though he never outplayed Brisiel. Ben Jones is just Godawful, yet they kept giving him opportunities over Qberry in preseason, when anyone with eyes could tell Qberry was not only the better player, but probably a solid future starter. Brandon Brooks is not anything to write home about (yet), but he's looking great because of the slop surrounding him. And I said it back at the time, but I have never been a fan of Chris Myers and said they should make him repeat his one good year before rewarding him with a big contract. I understand the timing of the contract expiring, but the point is, they put way too much trust in that guy.

I just don't think they've done much of anything right on the OL since they let Winston walk.

ILB!!! must be addressed. Even with Cushing, we are thin in talent at ILB. I think the Mays signing was a very good one- and while he is a plug and play guy that has playmaking ability, he is not a guy to count on the next 2 or 3 years as a starter.

Mays is an upgrade from last year's Bradie James experience, but he's a journeyman guy. The Sharpton thing irritates me like the OL crap. Maybe his uncle is threatening the Texans if they release him or something. At this point, they have to keep him just because they've done nothing else to address the situation. Basically, once they traded away Ryans, the defense up the middle has sucked.

Finally, I am in love with our WR situation! If we have a QB that can get the ball to them like Keenum did today, the combination of Hopkins, Posey, and an aging AJ is pretty freakin' sweet!

I was telling someone the other day that you could watch the preseason games with Keenum and think this team had a few WRs that were at least competent. Jean actually looked like he might see the field based on what he did with Keenum playing in preseason. Then the regular season came and all our WRs disappeared. I guess they all traveled with the team and took the field today for the first time all season.

The one thing I hope this game really did for everyone is illustrate just exactly how bad a QB Schaub is.

Mr teX
10-21-2013, 09:25 AM
The one thing I hope this game really did for everyone is illustrate just exactly how bad a QB Schaub is.

No, what it illustrates more is how bad a coach Kubiak is.....coaches shouldn't mold their entire offense around their qb's skill sets....not long term anyway....that's what he did with Schaub....It's probably what he's gonna do with Keenum considering the fact that we operated exclusively out of shotgun yesterday where Keenum is comfy. Dude is just going about it all wrong.


Can't wait for him to get run out of town after this year..

Carr Bombed
10-21-2013, 11:29 AM
No, what it illustrates more is how bad a coach Kubiak is.....coaches shouldn't mold their entire offense around their qb's skill sets....not long term anyway....that's what he did with Schaub....It's probably what he's gonna do with Keenum considering the fact that we operated exclusively out of shotgun yesterday where Keenum is comfy. Dude is just going about it all wrong.


Can't wait for him to get run out of town after this year..

What?, that doesn't even make sense.. As a coach that's your job, it's your job to put your players in the best position to succeed and maximize their strengths while tying to minimizing their weaknesses.

As far as operating exclusively out of the shotgun yesterday.. that happened until after our RBs went down and it was clear we didn't have a running game.. when we did we ran plenty of plays from under center and Keenum made plenty of plays from under center.

kingtexan
10-21-2013, 11:44 AM
Case doesnt change our need to make qb top priority next yr

Only if there is an opportunity to get someone we know can develop. We now know we don't have to get another starter right away. As long as we don't reach for a FA, or draft one too early we will be fine.

thunderkyss
10-21-2013, 05:23 PM
No, what it illustrates more is how bad a coach Kubiak is.....coaches shouldn't mold their entire offense around their qb's skill sets....not long term anyway....that's what he did with Schaub....It's probably what he's gonna do with Keenum considering the fact that we operated exclusively out of shotgun yesterday where Keenum is comfy. Dude is just going about it all wrong.


Can't wait for him to get run out of town after this year..

I bet our offense would have been more traditional if we were playing the Rams, or an ailing SF49ers where the pass rush wasn't so lauded before the game.

Putting Keenum in the shotgun was more about keeping him clean, the pistol was to allow us to run the ball without Keenum having to turn his back to the defense.... in case we wanted to fake the run.

But... I do hope we get more WRs on the field & if we do that because Keenum is starting in lieu of Matt Schaub, or because our 3rd & 4th receivers spread the field more than our 3rd TE... so be it.