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JamesBill
10-17-2013, 07:54 PM
It's called avoiding big hits, something Peyton and Brady do as well. If Keenum wants a long career, he's going to have to learn how to avoid taking hits as well.

Find any video of Brady or Manning folding this season like Schaub has done at least twice this year.

Surreal McCoy
10-17-2013, 08:02 PM
Find any video of Brady or Manning folding this season like Schaub has done at least twice this year.

Give either one of them Derek Newton or Wade Smith and they'll fold like a house of cards.

infantrycak
10-17-2013, 08:02 PM
Find any video of Brady or Manning folding this season like Schaub has done at least twice this year.

Good lord, Manning has done it a bunch of times just against the Texans, several with Mario just running up and touching him on the ground.

chicagotexan2
10-17-2013, 08:04 PM
It's called avoiding big hits, something Peyton and Brady do as well. If Keenum wants a long career, he's going to have to learn how to avoid taking hits as well.

No Its called extending the play. Manning and Brady have a knack for feeling the pas rush and side stepping or moving up in the pocket, whereas Schaub sees an oncoming defender and he collapses a jenga tower.

TdotTexas2Step
10-17-2013, 08:08 PM
No Its called extending the play. Manning and Brady have a knack for feeling the pas rush and side stepping or moving up in the pocket, whereas Schaub sees an oncoming defender and he collapses a jenga tower.

Exactly. Anyone who's watched the Texans play for the last few years and are being truly genuine and honest with themselves knows the difference between what Schaub does and what Brady/Manning does.

Schaub goes down even when the rusher is still a fair amount of steps away. Brady and Manning will go down at the very last possible second.

chicagotexan2
10-17-2013, 08:13 PM
Exactly. Anyone who's watched the Texans play for the last few years and are being truly genuine and honest with themselves knows the difference between what Schaub does and what Brady/Manning does.

Schaub goes down even when the rusher is still a fair amount of steps away. Brady and Manning will go down at the very last possible second.

The one QB I see stepping up in the pocket on a regular basis is drew Brees. I know Schaub can do it since he did against the redskins on a game winning td to Andre but for often than not when the pressure is on Schaub takes a dive or retreats and back pedals so far back that there is no hope of making a positive play.

Rey
10-17-2013, 08:22 PM
Good lord, Manning has done it a bunch of times just against the Texans, several with Mario just running up and touching him on the ground.

I agree that all qb's will go fetal...however, Schaub has gone fetal this year at times when the pocket just gets a little tight.

There's a difference between going down when a guy has a free run at you vs going down when there is still some life in the play.

Schaub hasn't done a good job of sliding in the pocket and getting his eyes back down field to make throws.

burro
10-17-2013, 08:27 PM
This is really good news. I've been a Schaub sun-shine pumper, but I can't put into words how stoked I am to see Keenum get a chance. If he's successful, it could be the story of the year: "Hometown Hero pulls Texans' Season From the Fire" - and I'm not even a UH fan.

As to why Keenum is getting the start, it's probably because Kubiak is feeling the pressure to make a change - and knows sending TJ out there and using it as an excuse wasn't going to cut it. However, Keenum playing poorly might buy him another excuse since Keenum will have far more rope with Uncle Bob than TJ or Schaub does now. Only time will tell, but for now I'm hopeless drunk on the koolaid. Give em hell, Case!

Texan_Bill
10-17-2013, 08:34 PM
Good lord, Manning has done it a bunch of times just against the Texans, several with Mario just running up and touching him on the ground.

Good Lord, Manning will fold like a cheap beach chair when really pressured.

That said, he will stand in the pocket to the very last minute before going "fetal" like one "HWSNBN" that we all once used to know.

Seegara
10-17-2013, 08:44 PM
Well I'm glad I didn't say I'd eat my hat on video if Keenum started, I am absolutely floored by this decision. Kubiak might be realizing his job is on the line and that Yates sucks worse than Schaub.
I'm thinking along with you that the coach may have been pressured from above. I'm thrilled, and it has nothing to do with the fact that I took my doctorate from U H; that was before Case played for them. It would be just as nice if we could start Johnny Football.

Corrosion
10-17-2013, 08:53 PM
As to why Keenum is getting the start, it's probably because Kubiak is feeling the pressure to make a change !

I think the reason is simple - Schaub is hurt and we know what we have in Yates .... Keenum on the other hand is a complete unknown.


Starting Keenum at this point isn't even a gamble .... its win or .... at least we tried.

utahmark
10-17-2013, 08:58 PM
I'm thinking along with you that the coach may have been pressured from above. I'm thrilled, and it has nothing to do with the fact that I took my doctorate from U H; that was before Case played for them. It would be just as nice if we could start Johnny Football.

When has Bob ever showed any signs of getting involved in coaching decisions? Lately Gary is doing a lot of things that deserve to be criticized but the hate from some on this board is laughable.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-17-2013, 09:02 PM
Give either one of them Derek Newton or Wade Smith and they'll fold like a house of cards.



Pretty sure the Broncos are missing 3 of their starting offensive linemen including both tackles.

False Start
10-17-2013, 09:05 PM
I will actually watch this game now just to see what Case does. I was gonna skip this game, and that would have made two weeks in a row. Whether he comes out and kicks ass or falls short, is to be be seen. At least its some kind enthusiasm for me to tune in.

SAMURAITEXAN
10-17-2013, 09:10 PM
it must suck to always be a day behind all the news ;)

Yep, but I will take it with news like this.

CloakNNNdagger
10-17-2013, 09:12 PM
I look at the upcoming game this way:

Yes, we're all afraid of Case becoming "Kubieized" with dull and lackluster play-calling, but the excitement I am beginning to feel at this point is the ways in which those same plays could/will break down, and it's left to Keenum to work his way out of them.



I'm not afraid if that at all.


Neither am I. This is all I needed to hear. Kubiak will allow Case to play within the system the way the entire system was meant to be played with the right QB..........utilizing not some, but all the facets of the system..........i.e., a mix which includes finesse, deceit, creativity and openness..........the latter two of which we have not seen because of the limitations of the QB.

[QUOTE]Kubiak (on if he’s talked to QB Case Keenum about when he made his first NFL start) “Case was probably about one year old when I had my last start, so those times are gone. I’ve got confidence in him. I think we all understand Matt (Schaub) is going to help him a lot. Matt and I talked last night and I want him to help him. T.J. (Yates) will help him. He’s got a lot of people, but the bottom line is you’ve got to go play and react. That’s what we trust. We trust his reactions. He’s going against one of the top defensive football teams at their place, all of that. We just want him to go out there and react. That’s the reason he’s on this team because of what he’s capable of doing when he gets in those situations. He’ll get ready to do his part and everybody needs to do theirs.”

burro
10-17-2013, 09:23 PM
I think the reason is simple - Schaub is hurt and we know what we have in Yates .... Keenum on the other hand is a complete unknown.


Starting Keenum at this point isn't even a gamble .... its win or .... at least we tried.

Kubiak has a fetish for the known, TJ would still be starting if it were just about Schaub being hurt. Naming Keenum the starter (especially this soon after he started splitting first string reps in practice) is a big deal given Kubiak's history. Either he feels the pressure or Keenum was an unstoppable beast in practice. I hope it's the latter, but it's probably the former.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-17-2013, 09:24 PM
I don't know if keenum is a warrior but ill be pleased if he doesn't go down like Schaub aka the fainting goat.




http://barryisfunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/FaintingSchaub_1.gif

Corrosion
10-17-2013, 09:25 PM
When has Bob ever showed any signs of getting involved in coaching decisions? Lately Gary is doing a lot of things that deserve to be criticized but the hate from some on this board is laughable.

Yeah , I don't think Kubiak gets a fair shake around here .... Sure he makes some mistakes but this season he's been handcuffed. I don't think there is anything he can do to make some people happy.

Even starting Yates or Keenum two weeks ago wouldn't have made much difference ..... if either had failed , everyone would say he started the wrong one - That may happen anyway & Keenum may make us wish Schaub was back under center throwing TD's to the other team. (I hope that isn't the result we get)



Pretty sure the Broncos are missing 3 of their starting offensive linemen including both tackles.

I was watching the Bronco's a couple weeks back and they had a clock on Manning , he got the ball out in 1.2 seconds on several occasions. If that pass is accurate , its almost impossible to defend against .... So much of Manning's success is determined pre-snap.

PockyAF
10-17-2013, 09:31 PM
http://youtu.be/3wWXsbZuncc?t=5m39s

TexansSeminole
10-17-2013, 09:37 PM
Kubiak has a fetish for the known, TJ would still be starting if it were just about Schaub being hurt. Naming Keenum the starter (especially this soon after he started splitting first string reps in practice) is a big deal given Kubiak's history. Either he feels the pressure or Keenum was an unstoppable beast in practice. I hope it's the latter, but it's probably the former.

As opposed to having a fetish for the unknown? Who wants their coach to regularly trust unknown commodities?

dream_team
10-17-2013, 09:43 PM
Find any video of Brady or Manning folding this season like Schaub has done at least twice this year.

Sorry, I don't have a video library of all the games this season. But just doing a quick search on youtube, I found these of Manning. I couldn't find any of Brady real quick on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8ptzy11RZs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0fqyML_Oeo

burro
10-17-2013, 10:00 PM
As opposed to having a fetish for the unknown? Who wants their coach to regularly trust unknown commodities?

It's not black and white like that. Kubiak has stuck with plenty of known quantities long after their expiration dates, long after any other coach would have taken a flyer on the unknown.

TexansSeminole
10-17-2013, 10:03 PM
It's not black and white like that. Kubiak has stuck with plenty of known quantities long after their expiration dates, long after any other coach would have taken a flyer on the unknown.

Like who? Joe Marciano and who else? He's made changes to the defensive coordinator a few times, running backs, offensive lineman, wide receivers, etc.

burro
10-17-2013, 11:04 PM
Like who? Joe Marciano and who else? He's made changes to the defensive coordinator a few times, running backs, offensive lineman, wide receivers, etc.

Chris Brown, Steve Slaton, Ephraim Salaam, Kasey Studdard in 2009, Jacoby Jones, Kris Brown, Matt Turk, Amobi Okoye, Richard Smith and Frank Bush (both of whom were past their expiration midway through the season), and yes Marciano...just to name a few.

TexansSeminole
10-17-2013, 11:09 PM
Chris Brown, Steve Slaton, Ephraim Salaam, Kasey Studdard in 2009, Jacoby Jones, Kris Brown, Matt Turk, Amobi Okoye, Richard Smith and Frank Bush (both of whom were past their expiration midway through the season), and yes Marciano...just to name a few.

We didn't have anyone outside of Chris Brown to play. You can't hand the ball off to air. Slaton was productive until injury. Salaam was the best option we had. Studdard didn't really hurt us ever, he just took up a roster spot. Okoye was held on to until it made sense financially to get rid of him. Jacoby had clear ability and still does. Richard Smith and Frank Bush were prompty fired after they proved they couldn't cut it. The coach plays the best players on his roster, it's the GM's job to upgrade that roster. Seems your issue is with the GM, which also doesn't make sense because we have upgraded literally every single one of those positions.

thunderkyss
10-17-2013, 11:49 PM
I think the reason is simple - Schaub is hurt and we know what we have in Yates .... Keenum on the other hand is a complete unknown.


Starting Keenum at this point isn't even a gamble .... its win or .... at least we tried.

I hope that's not the reason we're starting Keenum.

I hope we're starting Keenum because the future is now. Back in the preseason QB "competition" thread I stated my belief was that we were on a course to the Super Bowl. Schaub isn't special, but he was good enough to win a Super Bowl. If for whatever reason he got hurt, Tj was going to be able to step in, help us through a few games, then Schaub was going to come back & finish it. Worst case scenario, Schaub & Tj got hurt & the team rally around Keenum and we're still competitive in the play-offs.

I felt there might be some truth to the Keenum is the future at QB for this team. That that was the reason we didn't bring any other QBs in this offseason. That the plan was to prepare him to start next season & continue our dominance of the AFC South.

Then we lost 4 in a row & Tj blew his opportunity. the future is now.

If Keenum wasn't projected to be our future at QB, & he's starting because he can't be any worse than the other guys, this is going to be a long season & not because we'll be playing in January.

SchaubApologist
10-17-2013, 11:54 PM
Like who? Joe Marciano and who else? He's made changes to the defensive coordinator a few times, running backs, offensive lineman, wide receivers, etc.

gary didn't fire frank bush, bob mcnair did.

do you not remember chris brown and ron dayne drawing starts while arian was on the practice squad?

do you not remember kevin walter lined up as our WR2 for all those years?

do you not see derek newton getting abused game after game?

Need I go on??

Lucky
10-18-2013, 12:00 AM
People hate being wrong on things they are vested in.

This guy is a perfect example.
This has Bucky Richardson written all over it...

I'm very excited by this move. I give Kubiak all the credit. I think he truly believes in Keenum. That's why he made the roster. Keenum probably reminds Kubiak of himself. A gym rat, made-not-born QB.

Carr was forced on Kubiak by McNair. Schaub was in the league 3 years before Kubiak traded for him. Yates and Keenum were Kubiak creations, and Yates has shown that he doesn't have what it takes to carry a team. He's shaky. Keenum is Kubiak's guy, and you could tell by the way he talked about him in preseason. How he challenged Keenum by going for it on 4th down.

Most everyone sees this game as a litmus test for Keenum. I see it for Kubiak. Everything in the playbook is on the table and he has a QB that is an extension of himself.

TexansSeminole
10-18-2013, 12:06 AM
gary didn't fire frank bush, bob mcnair did.

do you not remember chris brown and ron dayne drawing starts while arian was on the practice squad?

do you not remember kevin walter lined up as our WR2 for all those years?

do you not see derek newton getting abused game after game?

Need I go on??

Show me some evidence that Bush was fired by McNair and it wasn't at all Kubiak.

Who should have played over Walter? Same goes for Newton now. You have to have better players in order to replace somebody. We tried to replace Newton with Harris, but he is equally as bad.

Also, who brought an undrafted Foster off of the practice squad and gave him carries at the end of the season? Who put their trust in him as an every down, pound it 20-something times per game back the year after?

I'm sorry, but that argument is flawed. People bitching just to ***** about something.

SchaubApologist
10-18-2013, 12:13 AM
Show me some evidence that Bush was fired by McNair and it wasn't at all Kubiak.

Who should have played over Walter? Same goes for Newton now. You have to have better players in order to replace somebody. We tried to replace Newton with Harris, but he is equally as bad.

Also, who brought an undrafted Foster off of the practice squad and gave him carries at the end of the season? Who put their trust in him as an every down, pound it 20-something times per game back the year after?

I'm sorry, but that argument is flawed. People bitching just to ***** about something.

Kevin Bacon was not in Footloose.

Goatcheese
10-18-2013, 12:33 AM
If Keenum doesn't embarass himself Sunday, this place is going to go nuts with Case fever. It's going to be exactly like that guy (what was his name?) that came in after Schaub got hurt and played out of this world (158 yards per game, 3 TDs 3 Ints 7.1 YPA in 5 games) and totally carried the Texans to their first playoff win.

What was that guy's name again? I can't remember. Man, whatever happened to that guy? Texanstalk was sure that he was the future and was finally going to run that Schaub bum out of town.

Was it Yates? That guy who played his first meaningful NFL action since the 2011-12 season and was instantly thrown under the bus by fans.

Ah texanstalk, you are a fickle bunch.

SchaubApologist
10-18-2013, 12:37 AM
If Keenum doesn't embarass himself Sunday, this place is going to go nuts with Case fever. It's going to be exactly like that guy (what was his name?) that came in after Schaub got hurt and played out of this world (158 yards per game, 3 TDs 3 Ints 7.1 YPA in 5 games) and totally carried the Texans to their first playoff win.

What was that guy's name again? I can't remember. Man, whatever happened to that guy? Texanstalk was sure that he was the future and was finally going to run that Schaub bum out of town.

Was it Yates? That guy who played his first meaningful NFL action since the 2011-12 season and was instantly thrown under the bus by fans.

Ah texanstalk, you are a fickle bunch.

I understand your position because your history is filled with defending Matt Schaub. :rake:

Keep it up!

burro
10-18-2013, 12:40 AM
We didn't have anyone outside of Chris Brown to play. You can't hand the ball off to air. Slaton was productive until injury. Salaam was the best option we had. Studdard didn't really hurt us ever, he just took up a roster spot. Okoye was held on to until it made sense financially to get rid of him. Jacoby had clear ability and still does. Richard Smith and Frank Bush were prompty fired after they proved they couldn't cut it. The coach plays the best players on his roster, it's the GM's job to upgrade that roster. Seems your issue is with the GM, which also doesn't make sense because we have upgraded literally every single one of those positions.

1) Nobody else to play...except for Arian Foster. I find it hard to believe that he didn't display enough talent and potential to be elevated to the active roster sooner than November 09, even harder to believe that he exhibited so little that Brown and Slaton were better options.

2) As a rookie in 2006, Winston would have been a better choice than Salaam who was mediocre on his good days and a liability on his bad days. If he were there to be a mentor, he could have done it from the sideline. Bringing him back on in 2009 to fill in during Brown's suspension was a major head scratcher when we could have given someone else some playing time. Classic case of Kubiak's loyalty problem. As for Studdard, I don't know what film you were watching but Studdard was a turnstile who couldn't run block to save his life - no way he should have been left in there for all 14 remaining games...he was also resigned in 2012 in another WTF moment, he has since been cut.

3) Okoye wasn't just on the roster, he was on the starting line. 11 sacks in 4 years. Benching him would have been fine to make it easier on the cap space, but Kubiak declined to do so. I think it's telling that he was gone the second Wade was hired as DC, 2+2 = Wade made that decision, not Kubiak.

4) Jones has clear ability...that didn't come out after 5 years and countless boneheaded mistakes as a Texan. It took blowing a winnable playoff game to finally get him out of here. He caught a TD pass in the SB, good for him. It doesn't change the fact that any other HC would have sent packing long before Kubes did.

5) Promptly fired after they proved they couldn't cut it? I'm pretty sure both of them were employed for an entire season. It was painfully clear that they were not NFL caliber (or even college caliber) mere weeks into their respective seasons. Bush especially, do you remember how dreadful 2010 was? A different HC doesn't hire them at all, most likely - another proof of Kubiak liking known quantities, though this is in a different sense.

6) I have mixed feeling about Rick Smith, he is a great talent scout and a bit lacking in contract management. Those being the two main functions of a GM, I don't see what he has to do with Kubiak's refusal to bench players who underperform, in some cases after several years of mediocre play.

Sal Rosenberg
10-18-2013, 12:58 AM
Cody Carlson?
I like the Keenum start.

Section516
10-18-2013, 01:25 AM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/18/uvanuse5.jpg

Times Square, NYC (first time, just got here from hobby. Thought it was cool.

infantrycak
10-18-2013, 01:29 AM
4) Jones has clear ability...that didn't come out after 5 years and countless boneheaded mistakes as a Texan. It took blowing a winnable playoff game to finally get him out of here. He caught a TD pass in the SB, good for him. It doesn't change the fact that any other HC would have sent packing long before Kubes did.

Seems like an over the top statement since one of the top GMs in the league and the about to be SB winning coach looked at that film and decided to hire him and at nothing close to league minimum.

5) Promptly fired after they proved they couldn't cut it? I'm pretty sure both of them were employed for an entire season. It was painfully clear that they were not NFL caliber (or even college caliber) mere weeks into their respective seasons. Bush especially, do you remember how dreadful 2010 was? A different HC doesn't hire them at all, most likely - another proof of Kubiak liking known quantities, though this is in a different sense.

Firing just hired coordinators mid way through their first season is very rare. Smith was fired promptly. Your Bush history if off. His 1st year the D improved considerably then the second it cratered and he got fired. I understand complaining they should have hired more experienced people but not keeping them too long.

Texanmike02
10-18-2013, 01:57 AM
gary didn't fire frank bush, bob mcnair did.

Bob, you can make that assertion? Can I have some tickets?

do you not remember chris brown and ron dayne drawing starts while arian was on the practice squad?

Not that its at all surprising but Dayne never played while Foster was on the roster. I know that stats and facts are meaningless in your own reality but it didn't happen. Again not that it's important but Brown didn't have that many carries that year. I think Moats was the primary back after Slaton went down and IIRC after Slaton went down Foster got more carries than anyone else on the team.


do you not remember kevin walter lined up as our WR2 for all those years?

Did you know, he averaged almost 60 catches and 750 yards/season his first four years here? Did you also know that even when he started to decline we finished in the top 10 in offense the last 4 years he was here?



do you not see derek newton getting abused game after game?

Do you have a genie in a bottle that is going to produce a magic OL that can start ahead of him?

Need I go on??
If you must.

Mike

♦The King of Houston♦
10-18-2013, 02:04 AM
Hey texans fans, in honor of Case Keenum starting against KC, I tried to make an inspiring video with his preseason highlights. Hope you guys like it, go texans!

http://youtu.be/fPHHuqhIm-A

sandman
10-18-2013, 03:58 AM
A few posts being made about Kubiak throttling down Keenum with a "dink and dunk" approach, but remember the West Coast style that got him all those yards and TD's in college was more about the shorter routes with lots of YAC and not the long downfield throws. Several talking sports heads have pointed out the quick progression/release is his strength, not going downfield. If he comes in and destroys the KC defense, it will be because of excellent decisions and throws in the system. If he is successful, I doubt we get a Romo style gunslinger as much as we get Brady like precision*.




*Referring to style of play and not saying he is the next Brady

Scooter
10-18-2013, 05:02 AM
Hey texans fans, in honor of Case Keenum starting against KC, I tried to make an inspiring video with his preseason highlights. Hope you guys like it, go texans!

http://youtu.be/fPHHuqhIm-A

not the song i would've chosen, but great video.

there are several plays in that video alone that schaub simply cant do. schaub cant sidestep in the pocket. he cant complete on the run or across his body, forget both at the same time. he cant lead routes. he cant outrun a defender (while still looking downfield). he cant drop in longer throws - the dime to jean is maybe the prettiest pass i've ever seen, 35 yard floater that should be a difficult over-the-shoulder catch hits him in stride so well jean could've caught it blindfolded.

i dont know if case will be anything more than wishful thinking, but the skills are most definitely there. these next few weeks could be very exciting.

Lucky
10-18-2013, 06:19 AM
What was that guy's name again? I can't remember. Man, whatever happened to that guy? Texanstalk was sure that he was the future and was finally going to run that Schaub bum out of town.
No one will run Schaub out of town. He will do that himself. Schaub is not getting it done. And when that happens, they will replace you.

Remember, it's Kubiak that is making this move. Not the fans. If he felt that TJ gave the team "the best chance to win", Yates would be starting. What is going on here is not ricket science. A 2-4 team is on the brink with an underachieving, injured QB that will not be brought back in 2012 with a $10 million contract. There are 2 young QBs behind him. The Texans need to know if they have something to build on, or if they need to find someone in the offseason. Pretty simple, really.

gwallaia
10-18-2013, 06:28 AM
I was at Robertson Stadium for all but two of Case's games as a Cougar. He is one of the smartest players I have seen play the game. I also watched Case on the sidelines when the defense had the ball; he does not just sit there passively, he is rallying his teammates and stays pumped up the entire time.

kingtexan
10-18-2013, 09:08 AM
No one will run Schaub out of town. He will do that himself.
Remember, it's Kubiak that is making this move.

Schaub has already done that himself, and I am not sure this was Kubiaks call, may have been McNairs.

HOU-TEX
10-18-2013, 09:26 AM
I sure hope Keenum balls out in a major way. Otherwise, we'll be rolling Schaub back out there in a couple weeks. Schaub is Kubiaks boy.

I just hope Keenum plays great so it'll make Kubiak look even worse when he rolls Matt back out there.

Sigma
10-18-2013, 09:29 AM
For the first time since 2008, someone not named Matt Schaub or T.J. Yates will start a regular season game for the Texans.


Poor Matt, nobody cares about him anymore :(

houstonspartan
10-18-2013, 10:00 AM
When has Bob ever showed any signs of getting involved in coaching decisions? Lately Gary is doing a lot of things that deserve to be criticized but the hate from some on this board is laughable.

Yeah, I don't buy the argument that McNair made Kubiak start Keenum. McNair does not operate that way. Yes, I'm sure the Monday meeting with Kubiak was probably tense, and McNair pressured Kubiak to fix this mess; but no way do I think McNair told him to start Keenum.

cstyle42
10-18-2013, 10:07 AM
If Keenum doesn't embarass himself Sunday, this place is going to go nuts with Case fever. It's going to be exactly like that guy (what was his name?) that came in after Schaub got hurt and played out of this world (158 yards per game, 3 TDs 3 Ints 7.1 YPA in 5 games) and totally carried the Texans to their first playoff win.

What was that guy's name again? I can't remember. Man, whatever happened to that guy? Texanstalk was sure that he was the future and was finally going to run that Schaub bum out of town.

Was it Yates? That guy who played his first meaningful NFL action since the 2011-12 season and was instantly thrown under the bus by fans.

Ah texanstalk, you are a fickle bunch.

Lol Yates sat down as backup for the entirety of that following year. If he wouldn't been taken out his flow then maybe he would look a little better than he does now which would be better than Schaub lol. Case if he succeeds I know Schaub is out lol.

hookinreds
10-18-2013, 10:21 AM
Yeah, I don't buy the argument that McNair made Kubiak start Keenum. McNair does not operate that way. Yes, I'm sure the Monday meeting with Kubiak was probably tense, and McNair pressured Kubiak to fix this mess; but no way do I think McNair told him to start Keenum.

While I find it hard to believe that McNair told him he had to do it, you also have to look at the decision to start Swearinger over Keo. After saying that he would wait until Sunday to decide on QB, and after saying Keo would be in there, we see a complete "UnKubiak like" move to put Keenum and Swearinger in. It's such a 180 from what we have always seen from Kubiak, it's strange. Did a light come on in his head, or was he "encouraged" by an outside influence? I think that's more of what people are trying to figure out...and natural assumption is that the guy footing the bill is behind it.

TexanBacker93
10-18-2013, 10:21 AM
Yeah , I don't think Kubiak gets a fair shake around here .... Sure he makes some mistakes but this season he's been handcuffed. I don't think there is anything he can do to make some people happy.

Even starting Yates or Keenum two weeks ago wouldn't have made much difference ..... if either had failed , everyone would say he started the wrong one - That may happen anyway & Keenum may make us wish Schaub was back under center throwing TD's to the other team. (I hope that isn't the result we get)





I was watching the Bronco's a couple weeks back and they had a clock on Manning , he got the ball out in 1.2 seconds on several occasions. If that pass is accurate , its almost impossible to defend against .... So much of Manning's success is determined pre-snap.

Most of that is done at the line of scrimmage. The QB should be able to look at the defense and adjust the play (audible) or whatever they want to do based on what they see. I trust any of our QBs at the line more than I trust the HC on the sideline to see what the defense is giving. Gary Kubiak was a career backup. I understand that he was sitting behind a HoF guy, but I don't think he'd of been starting if he had been on KC with Blackledge or NYJ with O'Brien either. In the MNF loss to Baltimore a few years ago Schaub was actually allowed to take control of the offense in the 2nd half when we were down big. He led us on some great scoring drives and put us into OT. At that point Kubiak took control back and we threw a pick 6 to end the game. Kubiak is under the firm belief that execution alone will win out. There are some circumstances where that's not going to happen and the QB needs to be able to make the adjustment. He is a micromanager to the extreme and that limits this team.

dream_team
10-18-2013, 10:32 AM
While I find it hard to believe that McNair told him he had to do it, you also have to look at the decision to start Swearinger over Keo. After saying that he would wait until Sunday to decide on QB, and after saying Keo would be in there, we see a complete "UnKubiak like" move to put Keenum and Swearinger in. It's such a 180 from what we have always seen from Kubiak, it's strange. Did a light come on in his head, or was he "encouraged" by an outside influence? I think that's more of what people are trying to figure out...and natural assumption is that the guy footing the bill is behind it.

I really really really hope this isn't true. McNair has to leave the football decisions to the experts. I don't want a Jerry Jones type of owner.

Goatcheese
10-18-2013, 11:07 AM
No one will run Schaub out of town. He will do that himself. Schaub is not getting it done. And when that happens, they will replace you.

Remember, it's Kubiak that is making this move. Not the fans. If he felt that TJ gave the team "the best chance to win", Yates would be starting. What is going on here is not ricket science. A 2-4 team is on the brink with an underachieving, injured QB that will not be brought back in 2012 with a $10 million contract. There are 2 young QBs behind him. The Texans need to know if they have something to build on, or if they need to find someone in the offseason. Pretty simple, really.

To the surprise of literally no one, anywhere, ever, you missed the point.

Texans Talk has an infestation of jock swinging nut huggers who ride the sack of every fresh face that comes along, even before they've done a single thing to deserve it. It's not just Yates, or Keenum. This forum picks a guy they don't like (usually for things that are stupid beyond comprehension) and everyone behind him on the depth chart gets long lasting oral pleasure until it's beyond obvious that he's never going to amount to anything.

From Antwan Peek to Case Keenum, it's a broken record that just keeps going and somehow nobody ever seems to pick up on it.

Schaub is one of those guys that Texans Talk just decided to hate, and it's not a recent development. The same people buying up every Case Keenum blow up doll in Texas were calling for Rosencopter to start over Schaub until he imploded against Indi. The minute Yates threw a TD he was the anointed one, and the forums were spammed with threads about trading Schaub and even if we kept him would Yates be the starter. This in a year where Schaub was shredding defenses for nearly 9 yards per pass, and Yates looked maybe OK at best. Yates didn't win the job last year the way they dreamed of, so screw that guy. Now we have Keenum and he's been anointed Jesus Christ Football before he ever takes a single NFL snap.

My post is mocking that behavior.

Rey
10-18-2013, 11:19 AM
This was kubiak's decision.

Malloy
10-18-2013, 11:24 AM
Kubiaks 'All or nothing' move!

I love it, now let's see what it translates to on the field :)

houstonspartan
10-18-2013, 11:48 AM
While I find it hard to believe that McNair told him he had to do it, you also have to look at the decision to start Swearinger over Keo. After saying that he would wait until Sunday to decide on QB, and after saying Keo would be in there, we see a complete "UnKubiak like" move to put Keenum and Swearinger in. It's such a 180 from what we have always seen from Kubiak, it's strange. Did a light come on in his head, or was he "encouraged" by an outside influence? I think that's more of what people are trying to figure out...and natural assumption is that the guy footing the bill is behind it.

Again: I'm sure the "encouragement" came from a Monday meeting with the Big Boss, who was probably not pleased at how the team embarrassed themselves Sunday.

McNair probably got rough with Kubiak Monday, but, I seriously doubt if he told him "Start Keenum. Start Swearanger."

McNair doesn't operate like that.

Kubiak is out of options.

Players-only meeting? Tried that. Didn't work.
Emotional speech from head coach? Tried that. Didn't work.
Meeting with team captains? Tried that. Didn't work.
Tougher practices? Tried that. Didn't work.

Kubiak is a poker player sitting at the table in Vegas with no cards in his hands. He has nothing.

Keenum starting is the act of a man desperate to keep his job.

Pollardized
10-18-2013, 12:05 PM
The thing that stands out to me when watching Keenum throw is the quickness of getting the ball out. Schaub has a windup that makes Tebow look quick. It literally takes Schaub as long to get the ball out as it does the ball to get to receiver. This is giving defenders huge edge in jumping routes and playing the ball. Keenum gets ball out quick and with better velocity. Also he has a lot better arm strength than people give him credit for. There are some nice long throws on youtube on the run or off his back foot.

Mr teX
10-18-2013, 12:14 PM
Again: I'm sure the "encouragement" came from a Monday meeting with the Big Boss, who was probably not pleased at how the team embarrassed themselves Sunday.

McNair probably got rough with Kubiak Monday, but, I seriously doubt if he told him "Start Keenum. Start Swearanger."

McNair doesn't operate like that.

Kubiak is out of options.

Players-only meeting? Tried that. Didn't work.
Emotional speech from head coach? Tried that. Didn't work.
Meeting with team captains? Tried that. Didn't work.
Tougher practices? Tried that. Didn't work.

Kubiak is a poker player sitting at the table in Vegas with no cards in his hands. He has nothing.

Keenum starting is the act of a man desperate to keep his job.

As i've said in other threads, starting Keenum is in effect a hail mary to save this season...& by extetension, kubiak's job...the latter is what i absolutely do not want to happen...

& it's b/c of what i mention above I'm not any more siked about this game than i am normally or will be in the future...

ObsiWan
10-18-2013, 12:20 PM
To the surprise of literally no one, anywhere, ever, you missed the point.

Texans Talk has an infestation of jock swinging nut huggers who ride the sack of every fresh face that comes along, even before they've done a single thing to deserve it. It's not just Yates, or Keenum. This forum picks a guy they don't like (usually for things that are stupid beyond comprehension) and everyone behind him on the depth chart gets long lasting oral pleasure until it's beyond obvious that he's never going to amount to anything.

From Antwan Peek to Case Keenum, it's a broken record that just keeps going and somehow nobody ever seems to pick up on it.

Schaub is one of those guys that Texans Talk just decided to hate, and it's not a recent development. The same people buying up every Case Keenum blow up doll in Texas were calling for Rosencopter to start over Schaub until he imploded against Indi. The minute Yates threw a TD he was the anointed one, and the forums were spammed with threads about trading Schaub and even if we kept him would Yates be the starter. This in a year where Schaub was shredding defenses for nearly 9 yards per pass, and Yates looked maybe OK at best. Yates didn't win the job last year the way they dreamed of, so screw that guy. Now we have Keenum and he's been anointed Jesus Christ Football before he ever takes a single NFL snap.

My post is mocking that behavior.

And surely someone as message board savvy as yourself realize that this is simply human nature. The grass is always greener, whether it be comparing the folk(s) who lost the last election to the 'obviously' inept incombent or the backup QB when the starter isn't one of the "elite".
This is nothing really new.
But then, I guess that was your point. It is, however, sometimes amusing to see it in action.
And it is sometimes fun to jump in on the back & forth. Even more fun when you can see (play) both sides of the argument like TK can. :kitten:

ThaJokaa
10-18-2013, 12:29 PM
Kubiaks 'All or nothing' move!

I love it, now let's see what it translates to on the field :)

Pretty much, so lets say Case Keenum lights up the Cheifs at Arrowhead, what happens then? Shall he be the starting QB still once Matt is healthy again?

TexansSeminole
10-18-2013, 12:32 PM
Most of that is done at the line of scrimmage. The QB should be able to look at the defense and adjust the play (audible) or whatever they want to do based on what they see. I trust any of our QBs at the line more than I trust the HC on the sideline to see what the defense is giving. Gary Kubiak was a career backup. I understand that he was sitting behind a HoF guy, but I don't think he'd of been starting if he had been on KC with Blackledge or NYJ with O'Brien either. In the MNF loss to Baltimore a few years ago Schaub was actually allowed to take control of the offense in the 2nd half when we were down big. He led us on some great scoring drives and put us into OT. At that point Kubiak took control back and we threw a pick 6 to end the game. Kubiak is under the firm belief that execution alone will win out. There are some circumstances where that's not going to happen and the QB needs to be able to make the adjustment. He is a micromanager to the extreme and that limits this team.

:wadepalm:

Malloy
10-18-2013, 12:53 PM
Pretty much, so lets say Case Keenum lights up the Cheifs at Arrowhead, what happens then? Shall he be the starting QB still once Matt is healthy again?

I would go with the hot hand, yes :)

Thorn
10-18-2013, 12:55 PM
I would go with the hot hand, yes :)

That's just wrong! :lol:

Sigma
10-18-2013, 01:20 PM
If Keenum doesn't embarass himself Sunday, this place is going to go nuts with Case fever.

I think actually this is already happening :)


It's going to be exactly like that guy (what was his name?) that came in after Schaub got hurt. What was that guy's name again? I can't remember.
It was "Matt Leinart"

Man, whatever happened to that guy?
well, he signed with the Raiders in 2012 and was the back-up for Carson Palmer. when Palmer got injured, Leinart lost to third string QB Terrelle Pryor and was released. In 2013 signed with buffalo for the 4th QB spot but lost that one too. Now he is a Free agent.

Was it Yates?
Nope, pretty sure it was Leinart to go in after schaub got injured.

That guy who played his first meaningful NFL action since the 2011-12 season and was instantly thrown under the bus by fans.
Yep, that's Yates, the guy who came in after Leinart went out :D


:kitten::kitten::kitten::kitten:

Mr teX
10-18-2013, 02:25 PM
Pretty much, so lets say Case Keenum lights up the Cheifs at Arrowhead, what happens then? Shall he be the starting QB still once Matt is healthy again?

If he lights it up, there's no way Kubiak goes back to schaub.......

If he's "meh" but we win... I think it's equally as likely that Kubiak goes back to Schaub as it that Keenum gets the start against Indy....Case's performance would likely be written off as it being his 1st start in a tough enviornment..etc..etc.

If he's "meh" and we lose - Kubiak goes back to Schaub...even though i don't think he should....

If he's terrible and we win or lose - Kubiak goes back to schaub period.

Goatcheese
10-18-2013, 02:33 PM
And surely someone as message board savvy as yourself realize that this is simply human nature. The grass is always greener, whether it be comparing the folk(s) who lost the last election to the 'obviously' inept incombent or the backup QB when the starter isn't one of the "elite".
This is nothing really new.
But then, I guess that was your point. It is, however, sometimes amusing to see it in action.
And it is sometimes fun to jump in on the back & forth. Even more fun when you can see (play) both sides of the argument like TK can. :kitten:

The thing is, it wasn't always like that.

You used to be able to come in here and discuss football with people who just love the game and their team. You could point out flaws in a coach or player without a campaign to have him run out of town on a float made of pink soap.

It was fun to come in after a game and talk about what went wrong, or who played well (often the same player) without the forum being spammed with 30 "X sucks, burn his house down!" threads. Discuss how the team could improve and usually (because the Texans kind of sucked back then) discuss the draft by this point in the season. We could have intelligent conversations about the facts of the game without 30 window lickers screaming hackneyed garbage like "stats is fer duh loosers!" Yes, they almost universally spell it "loosers!"

It's just gotten old at this point. Every thread is the same boring spam of either vomiting rainbows for the flavor of the month "savior" or blindly pouring out hate on a player.

*edit - I just remembered one of the clearest indicators of this kind of crap.

Dunta Robinson's last season with the Texans, this forum was overrun by people who insisted he was the worst corner in the NFL and was constantly thrown at and picked on. I broke down all of the available corner coverage stats and proved with facts that not only was he not being picked on, he was one of the 5 least thrown at corners in the entire league. You know what the response to cold hard facts was? "Stats are for loosers!"

EllisUnit
10-18-2013, 02:33 PM
If he lights it up, there's no way Kubiak goes back to schaub.......

If he's "meh" but we win... I think it's equally as likely that Kubiak goes back to Schaub as it that Keenum gets the start against Indy....Case's performance would likely be written off as it being his 1st start in a tough enviornment..etc..etc.

If he's "meh" and we lose - Kubiak goes back to Schaub...even though i don't think he should....

If he's terrible and we win or lose - Kubiak goes back to schaub period.

Kubiak has such a man crush on Schaubiak 2.0 that Keenum will have to have a 24/27 384 yard and 4 TD performance for Schaub not to start after the bye week.

Malloy
10-18-2013, 02:38 PM
That's just wrong! :lol:

Come on, so would you ;)

Corrosion
10-18-2013, 02:43 PM
Kubiak has such a man crush on Schaubiak 2.0 that Keenum will have to have a 24/27 384 yard and 4 TD performance for Schaub not to start after the bye week.

Schaub may not be back by then .... and after what Schaub has done this season , Keenum beating the undefeated Chiefs in Arrowhead .... He aint going back.

EllisUnit
10-18-2013, 02:44 PM
Schaub may not be back by then .... and after what Schaub has done this season , Keenum beating the undefeated Chiefs in Arrowhead .... He aint going back.

wouldnt put it past stupiak

Trail.Blazr
10-18-2013, 03:03 PM
That's what he is though.That's what schaub is also,but he want even looking for the other behind route. He would read andre to the slow ass te vs andre to hopkins to the te. There were a lot plays schaub refused to even look at the worse he played. The worse heplayed,the tighter he got. Hopefully case won't be in such a hurry to get rid of the ball that he don't allow the route to develop. That's the problem with sam bradford and alex smiths of the world.

My head hurts!:eek:

Having never seen Case play in College, I really don't know what to expect out of this. I'm buying into the promise of potential. Based on what I have heard, his mobility will be a welcome compliment to the current O-line. I hope he has the right mix of pocket awareness and ellusiveness to buy time, and allow the wr's routes develop as I think leebigeztx is suggesting above. ? If so, from what I hear, Case has the potential to stretch the field. I also am hopeful that when theres no safe place to throw, he can tuck it and make positive gains.

NO PICK 6's! Please Kube's don't set his first pass play to be a 3 yard shot to the flats.

PockyAF
10-18-2013, 03:05 PM
TJ Yates at UNC

2007 North Carolina 365 218 59.7% 2,655 14 18
2008 North Carolina 135 81 60.0% 1,168 11 4
2009 North Carolina 355 214 60.3% 2,136 14 15
2010 North Carolina 422 282 66.8% 3,418 19 9

College Totals 1,277 795 62.3% 9,377 58 46

These are sub-standards numbers in the NFL... but in college? oh boy

His #s definitely translated to NFL..

3-3 TD-INT as full time starter in his rookie year.



So, Case #s...... oh snap!

2012Champs
10-18-2013, 03:14 PM
Kubiak has such a man crush on Schaubiak 2.0 that Keenum will have to have a 24/27 384 yard and 4 TD performance for Schaub not to start after the bye week.

Schaub may not be back by then .... and after what Schaub has done this season , Keenum beating the undefeated Chiefs in Arrowhead .... He aint going back.



Well I dont know if case will need to be 88% 4 tds to keep the job but I dont think a win will be enough. 10-6 wont keep the spot for him

EllisUnit
10-18-2013, 03:18 PM
Well I dont know if case will need to be 88% 4 tds to keep the job but I dont think a win will be enough. 10-6 wont keep the spot for him

we went 2-4 under Schaub and ur saying if we finish 10-6 that wont be enough for him to keep the job ? So an 8-2 record wouldnt be enough for him to have earned a full season or at the very least to be named the starter the following season ? WOW

TheMatrix31
10-18-2013, 03:26 PM
If I were running the show, the first offensive play would be a PA bomb deep. Make a statement.

Rey
10-18-2013, 03:30 PM
If I were running the show, the first offensive play would be a PA bomb deep. Make a statement.

I was actually thinking the same thing.

Exascor
10-18-2013, 03:38 PM
we went 2-4 under Schaub and ur saying if we finish 10-6 that wont be enough for him to keep the job ? So an 8-2 record wouldnt be enough for him to have earned a full season or at the very least to be named the starter the following season ? WOW

Not agreeing with him about anything but...think he meant if the Texans beat the Chiefs 10 to 6 it won't be enough for Case to be the starter.

TexansFight
10-18-2013, 03:43 PM
I have no connection to UH but I am as stoked about Case Keenum starting as the biggest Coog fan out there. I just have this feeling Case is going to have a good game and that we are going to win this Sunday. I can't wait until the game gets here. I can't remember the last time I was this excited about a Texans game. Probably the Chicago game last year was the last time that it got close to this level.

This is what football is supposed to be about: excitement, passion, and hope. Naming Keenum the starter has energized me and has created a buzz around the entire city. If I feel this pumped and ready for a game what must the Texans players be feeling. I think they give an inspired effort with the defense looking rejuvenated. LeStar Jean and Case had a nice thing going in the preseason. LeStar will hopefully have a long TD like he had in the preseason.

Exascor
10-18-2013, 03:44 PM
Well I dont know if case will need to be 88% 4 tds to keep the job but I dont think a win will be enough. 10-6 wont keep the spot for himDepends on what happens in the game. Throwing a low score doesn't tell the story. If Case runs the offense well and the offense stalls due to dropped passes, penalties, fumbles or anything else out of his control but the team wins - how could you NOT start Case again? It just proves that he can and did do a better job than Schaub over the last X games. If he stinks it up and the team wins with a special teams/defense TD then yeah maybe Schaub is back ASAP.

2012Champs
10-18-2013, 03:51 PM
we went 2-4 under Schaub and ur saying if we finish 10-6 that wont be enough for him to keep the job ? So an 8-2 record wouldnt be enough for him to have earned a full season or at the very least to be named the starter the following season ? WOW

10-6 win against KC

Victor B
10-18-2013, 03:53 PM
If I were running the show, the first offensive play would be a PA bomb deep. Make a statement.

I agree. Come out and try to punch them in the face from play #1.

Corrosion
10-18-2013, 03:53 PM
Well I dont know if case will need to be 88% 4 tds to keep the job but I dont think a win will be enough. 10-6 wont keep the spot for him

To be honest , I think Schaub is finished here .... unless Keenum stinks the joint up , I think he's the QB for the rest of the season.

If he stinks the joint up .... all bets are off as to who's under center in Reliant Vs. the Dolts. (Damn those bastards are lucky , go from arguably the best to ever play the game to a prodigy in Luck - sure must be nice to be a Dolts fan these days).

TexansFight
10-18-2013, 03:57 PM
To the surprise of literally no one, anywhere, ever, you missed the point.

Texans Talk has an infestation of jock swinging nut huggers who ride the sack of every fresh face that comes along, even before they've done a single thing to deserve it. It's not just Yates, or Keenum. This forum picks a guy they don't like (usually for things that are stupid beyond comprehension) and everyone behind him on the depth chart gets long lasting oral pleasure until it's beyond obvious that he's never going to amount to anything.

From Antwan Peek to Case Keenum, it's a broken record that just keeps going and somehow nobody ever seems to pick up on it.

Schaub is one of those guys that Texans Talk just decided to hate, and it's not a recent development. The same people buying up every Case Keenum blow up doll in Texas were calling for Rosencopter to start over Schaub until he imploded against Indi. The minute Yates threw a TD he was the anointed one, and the forums were spammed with threads about trading Schaub and even if we kept him would Yates be the starter. This in a year where Schaub was shredding defenses for nearly 9 yards per pass, and Yates looked maybe OK at best. Yates didn't win the job last year the way they dreamed of, so screw that guy. Now we have Keenum and he's been anointed Jesus Christ Football before he ever takes a single NFL snap.

My post is mocking that behavior.

Your condescension reeks throughout your post. Texans management has always seemed a step slow and not proactive at all. That accounts for a lot of what you described. That's management's fault and not the fans. Having just 2 playoff appearances out of the last 11 years shows that the Texans don't have a winning formula just yet.

2012Champs
10-18-2013, 04:00 PM
Depends on what happens in the game. Throwing a low score doesn't tell the story. If Case runs the offense well and the offense stalls due to dropped passes, penalties, fumbles or anything else out of his control but the team wins - how could you NOT start Case again? It just proves that he can and did do a better job than Schaub over the last X games. If he stinks it up and the team wins with a special teams/defense TD then yeah maybe Schaub is back ASAP.


If Gary's starter is healthy I think he goes back to him unless Case performs outstanding. Not a game manager who just doesnt throw ints. I think he will go back to his horse if it can walk

2012Champs
10-18-2013, 04:02 PM
Your condescension reeks throughout your post. Texans management has always seemed a step slow and not proactive at all. That accounts for a lot of what you described. That's management's fault and not the fans. Having just 2 playoff appearances out of the last 11 years shows that the Texans don't have a winning formula just yet.



How many teams have 2 playoff wins in 11 years?



edit I found a source 16 teams have had more playoff wins since 02

http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1ftdbk/got_bored_so_put_together_every_teams_regular_and/

Rey
10-18-2013, 04:11 PM
I don't care what happens. I'm not bringing Schaub back. He was not ok this season. He was bad. If I'm the texans the only other qb I even consider is Yates. As far as I'm concerned Schaub should never take a snap here again. I'm convinced Schaub is not the guy. I would give keenum the rest of the season to prove himself. If we lose, whatever...not like Schaub was winning a bunch of games. If case can't get it done, I'm drafting another qb next year anyways.

I'm not bringing Schaub back regardless.

michaelm
10-18-2013, 04:18 PM
Pretty much, so lets say Case Keenum lights up the Cheifs at Arrowhead, what happens then? Shall he be the starting QB still once Matt is healthy again?

I know you weren't asking me, but my answer would be yes, provided Keenum lights up the Chiefs as you say.

Corrosion
10-18-2013, 04:24 PM
If I were running the show, the first offensive play would be a PA bomb deep. Make a statement.


I was actually thinking the same thing.


Yeah , I'd like them to go deep early too .... not to make any kind of statement but more to take the lid off the defense .... DB's all season have been gambling , jumping routes because of the risk vs. reward.

The risk of them jumping those ~10 yard routes if the gamble and lose .... a 10 or 15 yard gain.

The reward of jumping those routes .... a possession for your offense.


If there was a risk of that route jumping turning into a 50 yard gain or a score ... that changes the complexion of taking that risk .... With Schaub under center , the risk is very low that he's going to beat you over the top. With Keenum , I think its very possible this trend is reversed .... and probably one of the things I'm most excited about the possibility of seeing.

I think this may also have something to do with how ineffective the running game has been at different times .... teams can afford to gamble in coverage to support the run without much risk .... not to mention the amount of times Schaub has been blitzed - highest percentage in the league.

All of these things become less attractive options when the risk is amped up.

The entire perception of this offense is likely to change with Keenum under center - much more mobile and a little better arm. If he can play mistake free the dynamics of this offense change.

klockWork
10-18-2013, 04:44 PM
Why are folks second guessing Kubiak's playcalling?

At the end of the day, players have to execute. Every play is designed to succeed, but players have to make it happen.

Kubiak's playcalling was good enough in 2011 and 2012 to make the playoffs and win games.

Heck, Shanahan has said many times that Kubiak was calling ALL offensive plays when Elway won those back-to-back Super Bowls.

Honestly, harping on Kukiak's playcalling right now sounds like a set up for a built in excuse if Keenum does not play up to expectations.

Keenum will ultimately decide Keenum's fate, not Kubiak's playcalling. While not the most exciting, those plays can certainly win some games if executed properly.

Just sayin' :cowboy1: GO CASE!!!

Poor Kubiak. So many folks flamed him for his "predictable" playcalling. I don't think his playcalling is as predictable as one might think. It's his starting QB that is predictable.

In every NFL game sometimes the opposing defense will be in perfect coverage against a certain plays. But that don't happen most of the time and there will usually be at least one receiver that will get open just long enough for a well timed pass. At the start of the snap whether it's good playcalling or not it's ultimately the QB job to recognize it and find that receiver or throw it away if no one are open. When Brady or Manning does this, it's just another pro bowl play. When Schaub throws an interception from this, Kubes gets drilled for being "predictable".

Now, if Keenum goes out and light it up with the same plays, do Kubiak still gets tagged for his predictable playcalling? He did afterall announced Keenum his starting QB for this week which not many thought would happen. How's that for being predictable.

thunderkyss
10-18-2013, 04:53 PM
We could have intelligent conversations about the facts of the game without 30 window lickers screaming hackneyed garbage like "stats is fer duh loosers!" Yes, they almost universally spell it "loosers!"


:thinking: louzer??


*edit - I just remembered one of the clearest indicators of this kind of crap.

Dunta Robinson's last season with the Texans, this forum was overrun by people who insisted he was the worst corner in the NFL and was constantly thrown at and picked on. I broke down all of the available corner coverage stats and proved with facts that not only was he not being picked on, he was one of the 5 least thrown at corners in the entire league. You know what the response to cold hard facts was? "Stats are for loosers!"

I never thought Dunta was picked on. I thought the league believed the hype & didn't throw on him, another big reason for that was that our other corners were worse than he was. His last year here though, I think Glover was clearly the better CB. McCain was also very good in my opinion even though he was tested more often.

But I never thought Dunta was a good cover corner. I thought he was "good enough" & prevented us from going after a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round corner. It worked out really well for us that Kj struggled his rookie season, otherwise we wouldn't have gotten Jjo, or Brandon Harris (who I'm still holding out hope for).

thunderkyss
10-18-2013, 05:03 PM
If Gary's starter is healthy I think he goes back to him unless Case performs outstanding. Not a game manager who just doesnt throw ints. I think he will go back to his horse if it can walk

I don't think it's about Case at all, as long as he doesn't give the game away. If the rest of the team responds to the "spark" Case is the starter the rest of the year, at least I hope that Case is the spark to get these guys playing like they should (actually I think cheering Schaub's injury was that spark, but since Schaub isn't playing).

Corrosion
10-18-2013, 05:29 PM
Poor Kubiak. So many folks flamed him for his "predictable" playcalling. I don't think his playcalling is as predictable as one might think. It's his starting QB that is predictable.

In every NFL game sometimes the opposing defense will be in perfect coverage against a certain plays. But that don't happen most of the time and there will usually be at least one receiver that will get open just long enough for a well timed pass. At the start of the snap whether it's good playcalling or not it's ultimately the QB job to recognize it and find that receiver or throw it away if no one are open. When Brady or Manning does this, it's just another pro bowl play. When Schaub throws an interception from this, Kubes gets drilled for being "predictable".

Now, if Keenum goes out and light it up with the same plays, do Kubiak still gets tagged for his predictable playcalling? He did afterall announced Keenum his starting QB for this week which not many thought would happen. How's that for being predictable.

I tend to agree with you .... Its Schaub who's the predictable one. There are receivers running routes other than a TE on a short crossing route or a RB dump off .... Schaub hasn't taken advantage of those routes. Why , I cant quite determine .... but there are plays to be made. With Schaub they were being left on the field .... I really hope that changes with a different skillset at the QB position.

GuerillaBlack
10-18-2013, 05:39 PM
If Gary's starter is healthy I think he goes back to him unless Case performs outstanding. Not a game manager who just doesnt throw ints. I think he will go back to his horse if it can walk

Nah, Case can just be game manager and keep the starting job. If he makes tight throws, scrambles for a few yards or a first down, etc. Not all about the final stat line.

EllisUnit
10-18-2013, 07:31 PM
Kubiak would get killed if Keenum plays well enough to get the W and Kubiak went back to schaub.

Schaub is physically and mentally shot. There's no coming back from getting booed on your own stadium when you got hurt.

There's no coming back from that. The marriage of schaub and texan fans just went hollywood. The booing in houston, the burger name, the incident at his home, it went hollywood. Before that, schaub and texan fan marriage was like an ordinary couple suffering through a mediocre marriage.

Sure the money great, good job, nice home, nice status but Matt wasnt getting it done in bed (big games). It culminated in Schaub's impotence this season and now schaub and texan fans marriage is over.

The reason being hollywood's #1 divorce designation:

irreconcilable differences.

Its over between schaub and texan fans. That relationship is over.

Case CHILL you have our support ! Just play well sunday and everything will work itself out !

Pollardized
10-18-2013, 07:37 PM
Case CHILL you have our support ! Just play well sunday and everything will work itself out !

Wow, so Lord Bills is Case.

And 2012Champs is obviously Schaub.

Wonder what other players are on here among us???

EllisUnit
10-18-2013, 07:44 PM
Wow, so Lord Bills is Case.

And 2012Champs is obviously Schaub.

Wonder what other players are on here among us???

HAHA i wouldnt be shocked if a plyer or two actually do post occasionally.

Thorn
10-18-2013, 07:49 PM
I'm actually Kubiak. It's why I hate myself so much.

Texan_Bill
10-18-2013, 07:50 PM
I'm happy with Case starting! No offense to TJ but Case is a smart guy, son of a coach and played 14 years in college. He's had Houston on his the front of his jersey for a really long time.

My only hope is that Kubes doesn't "dumb down" the playbook. Case is a much better playing 'full on' and making plays (Term 'De jour') "off schedule"..

While this game v. the Chiefs isn't completely on that "he's a good kid", I think the rest of the Texans will have his back, irrespective whether we all suppose that Kubes has lost the locker room.

The ST needs to play a helluva game. The defense needs to stick Alex Smith in the head (figuratively, not literaly) and cause some turnovers. Otherwise it's going to be a long, late Sunday afternoon.

santo
10-18-2013, 07:51 PM
Wow, so Lord Bills is Case.

And 2012Champs is obviously Schaub.

Wonder what other players are on here among us???

I thought 2012Champs was yates? :kitten:

kingtexan
10-18-2013, 07:53 PM
I'm actually Kubiak. It's why I hate myself so much.

Not believing it, I have seen you have an opinion that makes sense ... cant be Gary.

waynegg
10-18-2013, 08:34 PM
This will be fascinating.

What does Keenum need to do to show he is the QB for this team?

Completing passes to receivers who are still in stride would be a great start...

badboy
10-18-2013, 08:49 PM
Just woke up and saw this thread. I Can't believe Case will be a starting QB against KC game!

Go Case Go!!!!!Go back to sleep and wake up Monday and I'll tell you about a Texans' win. lol

bckey
10-19-2013, 08:09 AM
Mark me down as happy Case is finally getting to play. He should have beaten out Yates in preseason but Kubiak couldn't bring himself to demote Yates to 3rd string. We all know he was never going to beat out Schaub in a Kubiak training camp.

It is kind of throwing him to the wolves starting in KC against a top defense in what just became the loudest stadium but its ok. He will get great experience going into the bye week and be able to digest it and build from it during those 2 weeks. I don't care if he plays bad in this game. He should still get the start after the bye week. That sunday night game against the Colts will be the real test for Keenum and one I think he will pass. Two full weeks practicing with the ones and the game experience from KC should bring positive results. Rally the troops Case!

CloakNNNdagger
10-19-2013, 09:33 AM
Last night, I heard an interview with Case's HS coach, who offered one especially interesting comment. He stated that Case's critics have always pointed to the fact that he has never necessarily tested out with impressive 40 times, but, as in HS as well as throughout his career, he surely always manages to stay one step ahead of the defenders.:cowboy1:

kingtexan
10-19-2013, 10:03 AM
Case's critics have always pointed to the fact that he has never necessarily tested out with impressive 40 times,

"40 times are the most important stat for a QB"

signed Tom Brady (5.23)

76Texan
10-19-2013, 10:35 AM
Last night, I heard an interview with Case's HS coach, who offered one especially interesting comment. He stated that Case's critics have always pointed to the fact that he has never necessarily tested out with impressive 40 times, but, as in HS as well as throughout his career, he surely always manages to stay one step ahead of the defenders.:cowboy1:

He had to be, since he was a dual-threat QB.
Just look at all the rushing TDs he scored in HS and college; a statue can't do that.

CloakNNNdagger
10-19-2013, 12:49 PM
This is an example of the writings going around in Chiefs media publications and on MBs. It will be great if going into this game this attitude is shared by the Chiefs coaches and players.

Poor, poor Case Keenum.

Not to take away from what he did in college—breaking the NCAA passing record and putting up 19,217 yards and 155 touchdowns in five seasons because of injury—but he’s not playing in a mid-card college football conference anymore.

This is Arrowhead in all of its glory. This is a rabid fan base hellbent on making noise, setting records and cheering its team on to a 7-0 record.

One simply can’t imagine a more hostile environment to walk into as a first time starter at quarterback, but then throw in the likes of Justin Houston, Tamba Hali, Donari Poe, Eric Berry and crew playing at an elite level—and this could end up being a very rough NFL welcome for the prolific college passer.

Keenum spent last year on the Texans’ practice squad and was inactive for the first six games of the 2013 season.

Poor, poor Case Keenum.link (http://arrowheadaddict.com/2013/10/17/case-keenum-unfortunate-task-starting-vs-chiefs/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=Hot%2BTopics)

kiwitexansfan
10-19-2013, 01:05 PM
This is an example of the writings going around in Chiefs media publications and on MBs. It will be great if going into this game this attitude is shared by the Chiefs coaches and players.
link (http://arrowheadaddict.com/2013/10/17/case-keenum-unfortunate-task-starting-vs-chiefs/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=Hot%2BTopics)

That is a pretty fair assessment, you couldn't ask for a tougher assignment than this one for your first start.

We'll get a pretty clear picture if Case wears big boy pants from this game.

thunderkyss
10-19-2013, 01:05 PM
Mark me down as happy Case is finally getting to play. He should have beaten out Yates in preseason but Kubiak couldn't bring himself to demote Yates to 3rd string. We all know he was never going to beat out Schaub in a Kubiak training camp.


What brass balled head coach ever benched his 12 win QB for an undrafted unproven 2nd year player? As much as it doesn't make sense, Kubiak pretty much went by the book with his QB depth chart. & you can downplay Tj's play off experience all you want, but no other coach would have put Keenum in as the #2 when Tj's started 5 regular season games & 2 play off games & played relatively well in them.

Tj was the right choice for back-up QB then & he's the right choice for back-up QB now.

Our biggest problem was that Matt was good enough & nobody is going to start an unknown over good enough. Belichick did not start Brady over the good enough Bledsoe. Bledsoe had to get hurt & Brady had to seize his opportunity. Parcells didn't start Romo over the good enough Bledsoe, Drew had to get injured & Romo had to seize his opportunity. The great Harbaugh didn't start Kaepernick over the good enough Smith, Smith had to have a concussion & fail to clear the concussion protocol & Kaepernick had to seize his opportunity.

Wilson started over Flynn, but Flynn had one game, not a play-off victory, under his belt.


It is kind of throwing him to the wolves starting in KC against a top defense in what just became the loudest stadium but its ok. He will get great experience going into the bye week and be able to digest it and build from it during those 2 weeks. I don't care if he plays bad in this game. He should still get the start after the bye week. That sunday night game against the Colts will be the real test for Keenum and one I think he will pass. Two full weeks practicing with the ones and the game experience from KC should bring positive results. Rally the troops Case!

Oh... game experience is important now? Really?

Concerning the start after the bye. Two things have to happen.

Team confidence

If I were Kubiak I want to see a focused team execute the way I know they should. If I see that, I would attribute that to Keenum. I doubt Kubiak would.

.
Ball security

Matt is in a slump, going back to last year. But if he gets out of it, he'll be one of the better QBs at taking care of the ball. Case has got to show he's competent. Only one of Matt's Ints were "bad decisions." Yates made 2 bad decisions in less than a quarter of football. If Case makes more than one bad decision, he won't start after the bye. If Case makes one bad decision, I'm contemplating letting him start after the bye. If he makes 0 bad decisions & it seems the team rallied around him... he'll start.

bOODRO87
10-19-2013, 01:15 PM
Only one of Matt's interceptions was a bad decision? That's rich..

drs23
10-19-2013, 01:19 PM
To be honest , I think Schaub is finished here .... unless Keenum stinks the joint up , I think he's the QB for the rest of the season.

If he stinks the joint up .... all bets are off as to who's under center in Reliant Vs. the Dolts. (Damn those bastards are lucky , go from arguably the best to ever play the game to a prodigy in Luck - sure must be nice to be a Dolts fan these days).

Yeah, especially after that WHOLE YEAR of misery they had to suffer through. Poor bastids.

thunderkyss
10-19-2013, 01:26 PM
This is an example of the writings going around in Chiefs media publications and on MBs. It will be great if going into this game this attitude is shared by the Chiefs coaches and players.
link (http://arrowheadaddict.com/2013/10/17/case-keenum-unfortunate-task-starting-vs-chiefs/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=Hot%2BTopics)

I think the Chiefs' fans have been drinking too much of their own koolaid.

If I were a KC fan I would be cautious, knowing our defense has not been tested at all, & the Texans are better than they've been playing. All it takes is one game to wake up that sleeping bull & I don't want to be the team to poke him with a stick.

Bulls on Parade
10-19-2013, 01:36 PM
I think the Chiefs' fans have been drinking too much of their own koolaid.

If I were a KC fan I would be cautious, knowing our defense has not been tested at all, & the Texans are better than they've been playing. All it takes is one game to wake up that sleeping bull & I don't want to be the team to poke him with a stick.
The Texans are like that caged animal ready to be unleashed. :kingkong:

steelbtexan
10-19-2013, 02:06 PM
Yeah, especially after that WHOLE YEAR of misery they had to suffer through. Poor bastids.

Meanwhile Texans fans have had to suffer throgh 8 yrs of Rick/Gary's excuses. It's on me.

thunderkyss
10-19-2013, 02:07 PM
Meanwhile Texans fans have had to suffer throgh 8 yrs of Rick/Gary's excuses. It's on me.

So far, we've suffered through 4 games. If Kubiak can get this train back on track, we'll be alright.

Corrosion
10-19-2013, 02:32 PM
Yeah, especially after that WHOLE YEAR of misery they had to suffer through. Poor bastids.

If we can be so lucky as to find a player like Luck at the QB spot in the upcoming draft .... this season of shattered expectations will have been worth it.


(Or if Keenum turns into Drew Brees V2.0 however unlikely)

Thorn
10-19-2013, 02:39 PM
Whatever Case does, how on earth can it be any worse than what Schaub or Yates have done this year?

eriadoc
10-19-2013, 02:40 PM
So far, we've suffered through 4 games.

Wish I had your memory.

Kaiser Toro
10-19-2013, 02:57 PM
What brass balled head coach ever benched his 12 win QB for an undrafted unproven 2nd year player? As much as it doesn't make sense, Kubiak pretty much went by the book with his QB depth chart. & you can downplay Tj's play off experience all you want, but no other coach would have put Keenum in as the #2 when Tj's started 5 regular season games & 2 play off games & played relatively well in them.

Tj was the right choice for back-up QB then & he's the right choice for back-up QB now.

Our biggest problem was that Matt was good enough & nobody is going to start an unknown over good enough. Belichick did not start Brady over the good enough Bledsoe. Bledsoe had to get hurt & Brady had to seize his opportunity. Parcells didn't start Romo over the good enough Bledsoe, Drew had to get injured & Romo had to seize his opportunity. The great Harbaugh didn't start Kaepernick over the good enough Smith, Smith had to have a concussion & fail to clear the concussion protocol & Kaepernick had to seize his opportunity.

Wilson started over Flynn, but Flynn had one game, not a play-off victory, under his belt.



Oh... game experience is important now? Really?

Concerning the start after the bye. Two things have to happen.

Team confidence

If I were Kubiak I want to see a focused team execute the way I know they should. If I see that, I would attribute that to Keenum. I doubt Kubiak would.

.
Ball security

Matt is in a slump, going back to last year. But if he gets out of it, he'll be one of the better QBs at taking care of the ball. Case has got to show he's competent. Only one of Matt's Ints were "bad decisions." Yates made 2 bad decisions in less than a quarter of football. If Case makes more than one bad decision, he won't start after the bye. If Case makes one bad decision, I'm contemplating letting him start after the bye. If he makes 0 bad decisions & it seems the team rallied around him... he'll start.


Mike Shanahan

DBCooper
10-19-2013, 03:07 PM
I think the Chiefs' fans have been drinking too much of their own koolaid.

If I were a KC fan I would be cautious, knowing our defense has not been tested at all, & the Texans are better than they've been playing. All it takes is one game to wake up that sleeping bull & I don't want to be the team to poke him with a stick.

Lol, the bull has already been poked and zapped!

Rey
10-19-2013, 03:10 PM
What brass balled head coach ever benched his 12 win QB for an undrafted unproven 2nd year player? As much as it doesn't make sense, Kubiak pretty much went by the book with his QB depth chart. & you can downplay Tj's play off experience all you want, but no other coach would have put Keenum in as the #2 when Tj's started 5 regular season games & 2 play off games & played relatively well in them.

Tj was the right choice for back-up QB then & he's the right choice for back-up QB now.

Our biggest problem was that Matt was good enough & nobody is going to start an unknown over good enough. Belichick did not start Brady over the good enough Bledsoe. Bledsoe had to get hurt & Brady had to seize his opportunity. Parcells didn't start Romo over the good enough Bledsoe, Drew had to get injured & Romo had to seize his opportunity. The great Harbaugh didn't start Kaepernick over the good enough Smith, Smith had to have a concussion & fail to clear the concussion protocol & Kaepernick had to seize his opportunity.

Wilson started over Flynn, but Flynn had one game, not a play-off victory, under his belt.



Oh... game experience is important now? Really?

Concerning the start after the bye. Two things have to happen.

Team confidence

If I were Kubiak I want to see a focused team execute the way I know they should. If I see that, I would attribute that to Keenum. I doubt Kubiak would.

.
Ball security

Matt is in a slump, going back to last year. But if he gets out of it, he'll be one of the better QBs at taking care of the ball. Case has got to show he's competent. Only one of Matt's Ints were "bad decisions." Yates made 2 bad decisions in less than a quarter of football. If Case makes more than one bad decision, he won't start after the bye. If Case makes one bad decision, I'm contemplating letting him start after the bye. If he makes 0 bad decisions & it seems the team rallied around him... he'll start.



Schaub is done here. Short of Us winning a game with Case playing absolutely terrible, Schaub is not likely to play any more games for the texans

Thorn
10-19-2013, 03:13 PM
Schaub is done here. Short of Us winning a game with Case playing absolutely terrible, Schaub is not likely to play any more games for the texans

Kibbles is still head coach. I wouldn't put anything past him.

thunderkyss
10-19-2013, 03:43 PM
Schaub is done here. Short of Us winning a game with Case playing absolutely terrible, Schaub is not likely to play any more games for the texans

I hope you're right. I hope Kubiak's decision to start Case means the future is now. I truly believe Kubiak can design & coach a winning offense with Tj or Case, or Schaub if they stop turning the ball over. & I'm pretty much convinced that Kubiak believes Keenum has a future in the NFL & was destined to be our starter in 2014.

htownfan32
10-19-2013, 08:23 PM
I hope Keenum is magical tomorrow. It'd be the tonic I need after this loss to Auburn.

Txn_in_Oki
10-19-2013, 08:34 PM
Kibbles is still head coach. I wouldn't put anything past him.

Me neither, but we have to remember that Gary is probably coaching for his job at this point. If it was just a "start someone until Matt is better" deal I think he would have gone with Yates. If Case goes off and has a great game then I think it's over for Matt. If he doesn't, who knows... I bet we get a QB in the draft if Case doesn't work out.

Rey
10-19-2013, 09:21 PM
I hope you're right. I hope Kubiak's decision to start Case means the future is now. I truly believe Kubiak can design & coach a winning offense with Tj or Case, or Schaub if they stop turning the ball over. & I'm pretty much convinced that Kubiak believes Keenum has a future in the NFL & was destined to be our starter in 2014.

I hope kubiak doesn't anoint case. I hope that hes setting a high standard for him because if case comes out and struggles or looks meh, and then he annoints him the starter next year I will know that he hasn't learned a damn thing. We need better play from that position. We need someone that can survive mistakes and make up for them. We need someone that makes plays even when other aspects have broken down.

I'm convinced Matt isn't that guy. Maybe he comes back and proves me wrong. I'd LOVE that. I honestly don't care who it is. I honestly don't. But I'm willing to cycle through guys this year to see if anyone already here has it. If not, grab one in the draft.


When you have great play at the qb position it makes it so much easier on everyone else.

hradhak
10-19-2013, 09:29 PM
Honestly I think Case is actually coming into a good situation. KC has a fairly weak run defense. If we can exploit that with Arian Foster and Tate, Case may not have to win the game, but just manage it.

I doubt we will be running it 40 times tomorrow, but barring complete collapses on defense and ST, Case shouldn't be called on to do too much to win.

EllisUnit
10-19-2013, 09:59 PM
I hope you're right. I hope Kubiak's decision to start Case means the future is now. I truly believe Kubiak can design & coach a winning offense with Tj or Case, or Schaub if they stop turning the ball over. & I'm pretty much convinced that Kubiak believes Keenum has a future in the NFL & was destined to be our starter in 2014.

I agree with this, thats why he was put on the roster this season and not the PS. I think kubes knew he was going to get a shot to be the future of the texans, i however dont think Kubiak thought it would be this soon.

I'm pumped for the game tomorrow, cant wait to see what Case can do at the Pro level.

dalemurphy
10-19-2013, 10:56 PM
Whatever Case does, how on earth can it be any worse than what Schaub or Yates have done this year?

Well, if you expect Case to play as well as Schaub did vs. San Diego, or at the end of the Tennessee game, you will likely be disappointed. Schaub, in reality, played two bad games: Baltimore and SF... and he choked at the end of Seattle.

I understand the angst. I get the excitement for Case, even. However, QB play can be much worse. Don't make me bring up ancient Texan history, for instance.

PapaL
10-19-2013, 11:06 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/20/7eza6a4y.jpg

Lucky
10-20-2013, 07:39 AM
Well, if you expect Case to play as well as Schaub did vs. San Diego, or at the end of the Tennessee game, you will likely be disappointed. Schaub, in reality, played two bad games: Baltimore and SF... and he choked at the end of Seattle.
I'm not going to let this turn into a Matt Schaub thread, but Schaub had one good game this season (the opener in San Diego). He put the team into a comeback versus the Titans by his poor play. He did zip in the 2nd half and overtime against the Seahawks. Well, nothing but single-handedly give the team a loss. In his last game against the Rams, he completed some short passes that AJ, Hopkins, and Foster turned into big gains. And he didn't get the ball into the end zone for essentially his last 10 quarters.

So no, the bar for 2013 Texan QB play is not super duper high right now for Case. Get some first downs. Don't sack yourself. Get the ball into the end zone at a decent rate. And don't gift wrap the game for your opponent. Basically, if Case Keenum doesn't play like the 2013 version of Matt Schaub, the Texans have a chance in KC. I think it will be the Schaub lovers at the end of the day who will be the disappointed ones.

Nitrofish
10-20-2013, 08:35 AM
I'm not going to let this turn into a Matt Schaub thread, but Schaub had one good game this season (the opener in San Diego). He put the team into a comeback versus the Titans by his poor play. He did zip in the 2nd half and overtime against the Seahawks. Well, nothing but single-handedly give the team a loss. In his last game against the Rams, he completed some short passes that AJ, Hopkins, and Foster turned into big gains. And he didn't get the ball into the end zone for essentially his last 10 quarters.

So no, the bar for 2013 Texan QB play is not super duper high right now for Case. Get some first downs. Don't sack yourself. Get the ball into the end zone at a decent rate. And don't gift wrap the game for your opponent. Basically, if Case Keenum doesn't play like the 2013 version of Matt Schaub, the Texans have a chance in KC. I think it will be the Schaub lovers at the end of the day who will be the disappointed ones.


I am going to disagree with you here. Unlike the Anti-Schaub crowd, the Schaub supporters are behind Keenum and hope he does well, but unless he just blows out the Chiefs, Schaub will be the starter again vs the Colts much to the chagrin of the bunch of over reacting, cry babies who whine insistently about Schaub.

Regardless of what you might think because the majority on this board are Schaub haters, IMO the majority of Texans fans are behind Schaub. It's the vocal minority that makes all the noise about Schaub. The rest of the fans move on after the game ends, whereas Schaub haters post for days on end with stuff like pointing out short comings that Schaub has had since he came to Houston, ignoring horrible offensive line play, special teams, defense, or worst of all, making fun of Schaub's name and appearance.

Lucky
10-20-2013, 08:53 AM
I am going to disagree with you here. Unlike the Anti-Schaub crowd, the Schaub supporters are behind Keenum and hope he does well, but unless he just blows out the Chiefs, Schaub will be the starter again vs the Colts much to the chagrin of the bunch of over reacting, cry babies who whine insistently about Schaub.

Regardless of what you might think because the majority on this board are Schaub haters, IMO the majority of Texans fans are behind Schaub.
I'm going to disagree with you. I could link several posts that say "Fans will be disappointed by Case", "Case lovers are in for a letdown", etc. I was just responding to one in the previous post. These are the same posters who thought that Keenum should have been practice squaded after the preseason. In contrast, the anti-Schaub crowd was a small minority until his late 2012-2013 meltdown. I know I was very pro-Matt until his 2012 swan dive. He went from getting the job done, to not getting the job done. It's my belief, based upon what I've seen and some expert opinion I've read, that this is completely due to the after effects of the 2011 Lisfranc injury.

The overwhelming majority of Texan fans I know, be it at work, in the neighborhood, in the forums, or at the games, want Schaub to be replaced. I haven't met one in person that didn't. Not because they don't like him. But because Schaub has been terrible for the past 12 games. Schaub is a lame duck. He won't be brought back in 2014 for a $10.5 million salary. Not when you can get better play from a $500K QB. I can't say that Schaub won't start another game in 2013, because I've seen Kubiak make some really dumb decisions. But I can say that Matt Schaub won't be the Texans QB in 2014. Today's game will give us at least an inkling of whether Case Keenum can be.

Rey
10-20-2013, 08:55 AM
I am going to disagree with you here. Unlike the Anti-Schaub crowd, the Schaub supporters are behind Keenum and hope he does well, but unless he just blows out the Chiefs, Schaub will be the starter again vs the Colts much to the chagrin of the bunch of over reacting, cry babies who whine insistently about Schaub.

I keep hearing that the keenum love is irrational, but I think it's the exact opposite. Schaub has not been a good qb for a while. In fact hes had more bad moments than good. It's almost been a full season of bad qb play dating back to last year. He ended last year on a bad note, and he has been terrible this year. We don't even know how bad the injury even is. So other than liking the guy, just wanting to be right....or being a family member.....There is absolutely 0 reason to be claiming Schaub would start after the bye unless keenum has some all world game.

If this was Donovan Mcnabb having played like this for his last few games we'd be saying he was done. But because you guys have some weird fetish with Schaub, y'all would jeopardize the team trying to find young qb talent on the roster to run Schaub out there?

Why?

There is no good reason why. It's completely illogical.

FirstTexansFan
10-20-2013, 08:57 AM
there is no good reason why. it's completely illogical.

Spock??? :)

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 08:59 AM
I keep hearing that the keenum love is irrational, but I think it's the exact opposite. Schaub has not been a good qb for a while. In fact hes had more bad moments than good. It's almost been a full season of bad qb play dating back to last year. He ended last year on a bad note, and he has been terrible this year. We don't even know how bad the injury even is. So other than liking the guy, just wanting to be right....or being a family member.....

There is absolutely 0 reason to be claiming Schaub would start after the but unless keenum has some all world game.

If this was Donovan Mcnabb having played like this for his last few games we'd be saying he was done. But because you guys have some weird fetish with Schaub, y'all would jeopardize the team trying to find young qb talent on the roster to run Schaub out there?

Why?

There is no good reason why. It's completely illogical.

:vincepalm: ding, ding, ding

2012Champs
10-20-2013, 08:59 AM
Put me in the crowd that thinks a win alone will not keep case as the starter but a really good game might. I hope he goes out today and does really well and makes the call hard on Gary

Thorn
10-20-2013, 09:13 AM
Schaub has outlived his usefulness. He was once very good for us, not now. He needs to be replaced. Whether he's replaced by Keenum or someone else, we'll know soon enough.

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 09:17 AM
Put me in the crowd that thinks a win alone will not keep case as the starter but a really good game might. I hope he goes out today and does really well and makes the call hard on Gary

He doesn't have to have a "really good game", outside of injury or downright putrid play from Keenum, Schaub's days as a starter for Houston are over.

2012Champs
10-20-2013, 09:20 AM
He doesn't have to have a "really good game", outside of injury or downright putrid play from Keenum, Schaub's days as a starter for Houston are over.

Okay

GuerillaBlack
10-20-2013, 09:20 AM
Schaub lovers have got to understand that Case does not need to play out of this world to keep the starting job. If he has a game manager stat line and if he makes some nice throws/plays on his feet then he is the starter. Schaub is done unless Case plays like him. And even then, Case would most likely get the next start at home against Indy.

bOODRO87
10-20-2013, 09:33 AM
I'm excited for Keenum and his opportunity. I hope he runs with it and doesn't look back. I expect the team to play hard for him. If he can transition some of those throws from preseason to today, we have a chance of making headlines.

dalemurphy
10-20-2013, 09:41 AM
I'm not going to let this turn into a Matt Schaub thread, but Schaub had one good game this season (the opener in San Diego). He put the team into a comeback versus the Titans by his poor play. He did zip in the 2nd half and overtime against the Seahawks. Well, nothing but single-handedly give the team a loss. In his last game against the Rams, he completed some short passes that AJ, Hopkins, and Foster turned into big gains. And he didn't get the ball into the end zone for essentially his last 10 quarters.

So no, the bar for 2013 Texan QB play is not super duper high right now for Case. Get some first downs. Don't sack yourself. Get the ball into the end zone at a decent rate. And don't gift wrap the game for your opponent. Basically, if Case Keenum doesn't play like the 2013 version of Matt Schaub, the Texans have a chance in KC. I think it will be the Schaub lovers at the end of the day who will be the disappointed ones.


If I am correct and Case struggles, you are right, I will be very disappointed. As a Texan fan, there is no conflict. I can support Schaub, disagree with the hyper-criticism, and also want our backup QB to play well today.

dalemurphy
10-20-2013, 09:45 AM
I keep hearing that the keenum love is irrational, but I think it's the exact opposite. Schaub has not been a good qb for a while. In fact hes had more bad moments than good. It's almost been a full season of bad qb play dating back to last year. He ended last year on a bad note, and he has been terrible this year. We don't even know how bad the injury even is. So other than liking the guy, just wanting to be right....or being a family member.....There is absolutely 0 reason to be claiming Schaub would start after the bye unless keenum has some all world game.

If this was Donovan Mcnabb having played like this for his last few games we'd be saying he was done. But because you guys have some weird fetish with Schaub, y'all would jeopardize the team trying to find young qb talent on the roster to run Schaub out there?

Why?

There is no good reason why. It's completely illogical.

I heard Rich Gannon on the radio this week discussing the Texan QB situation. He thinks Matt Schaub playing better is the Texans best chance for success this year. Is he a family member, a friend, or just wanting to be right?... Or, do you just know more about football than Gannon does?

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 09:55 AM
I heard Rich Gannon on the radio this week discussing the Texan QB situation. He thinks Matt Schaub playing better is the Texans best chance for success this year. Is he a family member, a friend, or just wanting to be right?... Or, do you just know more about football than Gannon does?

:vincepalm: He doesn't have to know more than a "football player", if Rich Gannon who doesn't even follow this team is your ace in the hole argument then Schaub is in deeper trouble than I even thought..

There's people within the Texans locker room (yes.. people who play football.. like Gannon did.. people who actually know what's going on with the Texans.. unlike Gannon) that think Keenum gives them a chance to win now.

2012Champs
10-20-2013, 10:03 AM
:vincepalm: He doesn't have to know more than a "football player", if Rich Gannon who doesn't even follow this team is your ace in the hole argument then Schaub is in deeper trouble than I even thought..

There's people within the Texans locker room (yes.. people who play football.. like Gannon did.. people who actually know what's going on with the Texans.. unlike Gannon) that think Keenum gives them a chance to win now.


Or maybe texans fans on both sides of the qb situation are biased

GuerillaBlack
10-20-2013, 10:11 AM
Or maybe texans fans on both sides of the qb situation are biased

Or one side is looking towards the future while the other is holding on to past false hopes.

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 10:13 AM
Or maybe texans fans on both sides of the qb situation are biased

I've been on both sides.. I used to be a Schaub fan, I'm not any more

maybe Texan fans on one side are just more proactive than the other and are ahead of the curve and can see what's coming down the road.

2012Champs
10-20-2013, 10:15 AM
Or one side is looking towards the future while the other is holding on to past false hopes.

I've been on both sides.. I used to be a Schaub fan, I'm not any more

maybe Texan fans on one side are just more proactive than the other and are ahead of the curve.


Let's be honest here neither one of you are keeping the team ahead of the curve or have any impact on the future of the team so remove the delusional thought process.

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 10:17 AM
Or one side is looking towards the future while the other is holding on to past false hopes.

scary.. pinch, poke, I owe you a coke.

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 10:22 AM
Let's be honest here neither one of you are keeping the team ahead of the curve or have any impact on the future of the team so remove the delusional thought process.

Who the hell ever said we were "keeping the team ahead of the curve or had any impact on the future"? So there's no "delusional thought process" to remove.

We're just rubber neckers looking at a car wreck. We didn't create the wreck or have any control with what happened or what is happening, but we're not "delusional" to act like it didn't happen or isn't happening. People who still think Schaub is a answer for this team are the ones who are delusional

Nitrofish
10-20-2013, 10:23 AM
:vincepalm: He doesn't have to know more than a "football player", if Rich Gannon who doesn't even follow this team is your ace in the hole argument then Schaub is in deeper trouble than I even thought..

There's people within the Texans locker room (yes.. people who play football.. like Gannon did.. people who actually know what's going on with the Texans.. unlike Gannon) that think Keenum gives them a chance to win now.

Please share with us the links to players in the Texans locker room saying that, otherwise I would say you are just making that up, or that is what you believe is going on. Your hopes and dreams are attached to the fall of Schaub and Kubiak, so of course your world view is such, but don't be making **** up, and pretend to speak for the Texans players and you can't back it up as fact. I highly doubt there are any in the Texans locker room who think Keenum is a more viable option than Schaub.

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 10:34 AM
Please share with us the links to players in the Texans locker room saying that, otherwise I would say you are just making that up, or that is what you believe is going on. Your hopes and dreams are attached to the fall of Schaub and Kubiak, so of course your world view is such, but don't be making **** up, and pretend to speak for the Texans players and you can't back it up as fact. I highly doubt there are any in the Texans locker room who think Keenum is a more viable option than Schaub.

They talked about it this morning of NFL Network.. it was also brought up on First Take Friday on how (names) Brian Cushing, Antonio Smith, Andre Johnson, and Duane Brown have all came out and talked highly of Keenum.. who knows how many other players are talking... it doesn't take a damn genius to be able to read the tea leaves here.

P.S.

My hopes and dreams are not tied to the fall of Schaub (#1 reason is because he's already fallen so there's nothing to even tie to), but it's apparently clear your hopes and dreams are tied to keeping him propped up... for whatever reason, "blood is thicker than water".

thunderkyss
10-20-2013, 11:04 AM
He did zip in the 2nd half and overtime against the Seahawks. Well, nothing but single-handedly give the team a loss. In his last game against the Rams, he completed some short passes that AJ, Hopkins, and Foster turned into big gains. And he didn't get the ball into the end zone for essentially his last 10 quarters.

I'll probably be accused of trolling again but..... I've been talking about or defense, people have been saying they've played well enough to win. I disagree.

To me, it's all about the situation, what situation are we in, what do we need to happen, & measure that against what actually happened.

We should never expect our QB to throw a pick 6. It hurts our chances to win. If our QB throws a pick 6, he did not play well enough to win, no matter how many yards/TDs he put on Seattle in the first half.

At the same time, we can not expect our defense to give up 1 90+ yard TD scoring drive & expect to win. Just like the pick 6, it should not happen. Not even against an average defense. Should not happen. & it don't matter how many 3 & outs you pitched in the first half. You give up one 90+ yard TD drive, you didn't play well enough to win.

In the situation we were in, with the Seahawks starting on their 2 yard line, commiting a penalty moving them back to their 1 yard line, we had them in 3rd & 7 from their 5..... no way they should have even scored on that drive, but if we were to stop them to just a field goal, we win that game.

The Seahawks was a team loss, the Rams a team fail. The defense gives up 21 points in less than 3 qtrs of football, just like they did against San Diego. That's unacceptable, especially when you consider none of those drives (in the St Louis game started on our side of the 50).


Hopefully the Schaub injury cheering incident challenged the BullsonParade pride. Hopefully the start of Case Keenum will get these guys to rally behind their offense, their QB. Hopefully they'll play with a little extra somet'n-somet'n to honor their DC, sonofBum..... because those guys have not been playing winning football.

I don't care about how many yards they've allowed. I've got a QB on pace to throw for 4100 yards. But if he doesn't get his sht straight (& realistically, he might not see the field again) he's not playing like a Super Bowl contending QB. Same thing with the defense, #1 in yards is great, but if they don't get straight on a lot of other things.... run defense, red zone defense, penalties, turnover generation..... they aren't playing like Super Bowl contenders, they're not playing like Division Champs, they're not playing like a winning defense.

drs23
10-20-2013, 11:12 AM
Please share with us the links to players in the Texans locker room saying that, otherwise I would say you are just making that up, or that is what you believe is going on. Your hopes and dreams are attached to the fall of Schaub and Kubiak, so of course your world view is such, but don't be making **** up, and pretend to speak for the Texans players and you can't back it up as fact. I highly doubt there are any in the Texans locker room who think Keenum is a more viable option than Schaub.

I agree there are no players responding with anything other than PC answers. I have no quotes to back up CB's POV but I can see where he's coming from. The guys aren't going to throw Matt or TJ under the bus. They're just not gonna do that. What I think I do see/feel though is a different buzz. I feel (and yes, it's just a feeling) that both sides of the ball are going to go into Arrowhead with renewed vigor and tempo that we all know this team is capable of. Certainly there are no guarantees but starting Case "I Believe" (oops, wrong thread :D) we'll field a team with more drive, enthusiasm and will to win than we've witnessed to date. It's happened too many times in NFL history to ignore

Not Kool-Aiding here, just wanting and wishing the best for my team.

Go Texans!

thunderkyss
10-20-2013, 11:13 AM
I am going to disagree with you here. Unlike the Anti-Schaub crowd, the Schaub supporters are behind Keenum and hope he does well, but unless he just blows out the Chiefs, Schaub will be the starter again vs the Colts much to the chagrin of the bunch of over reacting, cry babies who whine insistently about Schaub.
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Why in the world do you want to go there now?

It's not worth it. We've got two weeks for that debate, no reason to start muddying the water now.

Right now, it's about Case. He needs the BullsonParade to bring it. blahblahblahing about the gimp ain't helping nobody.

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 11:14 AM
I'll probably be accused of trolling again but..... I've been talking about or defense, people have been saying they've played well enough to win. I disagree.

To me, it's all about the situation, what situation are we in, what do we need to happen, & measure that against what actually happened.

We should never expect our QB to throw a pick 6. It hurts our chances to win. If our QB throws a pick 6, he did not play well enough to win, no matter how many yards/TDs he put on Seattle in the first half.

At the same time, our we can not expect our defense to give up 1 90+ yard TD scoring drive & expect to win. Just like the pick 6, it should not happen. Not even against an average defense. Should not happen.

In the situation we were in, with the Seahawks starting on their 2 yard line, commiting a penalty moving them back to their 1 yard line, we had them in 3rd & 7 from their 5..... no way they should have even scored on that drive, but if we were to stop them to just a field goal, we win that game.

The Seahawks was a team loss, the Rams a team fail. The defense gives up 21 points in less than 3 qtrs of football, just like they did against San Diego. That's unacceptable, especially when you consider none of those drives (in the St Louis game started on our side of the 50).


Hopefully the Schaub injury cheering incident challenged the BullsonParade pride. Hopefully the start of Case Keenum will get these guys to rally behind their offense, their QB. Hopefully they'll play with a little extra somet'n-somet'n to honor their DC, sonofBum..... because those guys have not been playing winning football.

I don't care about how many yards they've allowed. I've got a QB on pace to throw for 4100 yards. But if he doesn't get his sht straight (& realistically, he might not see the field again) he's not playing like a Super Bowl contending QB. Same thing with the defense, #1 in yards is great, but if they don't get straight on a lot of other things.... run defense, red zone defense, penalties, turnover generation..... they aren't playing like Super Bowl contenders, they're not playing like Division Champs, they're not playing like a winning defense.

agreed with everything you posted and I'd like to add.. if this defense doesn't rally around Wade and doesn't physically beat the hell out of the chiefs then they should have their collective man cards pulled on the flight home. Win one for Bum, should be the battle cry

IDEXAN
10-20-2013, 11:15 AM
You guys do realize Case is gonna get killed today in KC today, right ?

DX-TEX
10-20-2013, 11:20 AM
You guys do realize Case is gonna get killed today in KC today, right ?

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2013-03-10-27.gif

thunderkyss
10-20-2013, 11:23 AM
I keep hearing that the keenum love is irrational, but I think it's the exact opposite. Schaub has not been a good qb for a while.

The Case love is irrational. Everything that has happened to Case has been pretty much on schedule for an UDFA QB, maybe ahead of schedule. But the Case crowd is all over Kubiak because we didn't have Case activated for the play-offs last season (a little exaggerated).

We've seen coaches stick with "their guy" through bad games & while Schaub didn't win a Super Bowl, we all know he is Kubiak's guy, that Kubiak believes in him. I don't think Coughlin is saying, "Well, Eli did win a Super Bowl, I'll give him 8 games to work out of this." Noooooooo. Coughlin is saying, "Eli's been a good QB, he's not hurt, maybe today is the day."

He & Kubiak are probably saying, "WTF, Alex Smith threw a pick six & he still won the game!!! I'm supposed to have one of the best defenses in the league."


SF, where Schaub threw 3 INTs.... that's the only game that I think a dominant defense had no chance of winning for us. Whether you want to agree or not, Schaub won the San Diego game & the Titans game (regardless of his mistakes). The defense haven't won any.

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 11:25 AM
You guys do realize Case is gonna get killed today in KC today, right ?

and if he doesn't, you do realize how ridiculous this post is going to look, right?

:) in the great words of the Prophet Bluto.. "What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

DX-TEX
10-20-2013, 11:25 AM
and if he doesn't, you do realize how ridiculous this post is going to look, right?

:) in the great words of the Prophet Bluto.. "What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

What have you done? I posted that quote the last few weeks and we lost...:vincepalm:

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 11:29 AM
What have you done? I posted that quote the last few weeks and we lost...:vincepalm:

.. well that's because you posted it and I didn't :)

amazing80
10-20-2013, 11:36 AM
I'll probably be accused of trolling again but..... I've been talking about or defense, people have been saying they've played well enough to win. I disagree.

To me, it's all about the situation, what situation are we in, what do we need to happen, & measure that against what actually happened.

We should never expect our QB to throw a pick 6. It hurts our chances to win. If our QB throws a pick 6, he did not play well enough to win, no matter how many yards/TDs he put on Seattle in the first half.

At the same time, we can not expect our defense to give up 1 90+ yard TD scoring drive & expect to win. Just like the pick 6, it should not happen. Not even against an average defense. Should not happen. & it don't matter how many 3 & outs you pitched in the first half. You give up one 90+ yard TD drive, you didn't play well enough to win.

In the situation we were in, with the Seahawks starting on their 2 yard line, commiting a penalty moving them back to their 1 yard line, we had them in 3rd & 7 from their 5..... no way they should have even scored on that drive, but if we were to stop them to just a field goal, we win that game.

The Seahawks was a team loss, the Rams a team fail. The defense gives up 21 points in less than 3 qtrs of football, just like they did against San Diego. That's unacceptable, especially when you consider none of those drives (in the St Louis game started on our side of the 50).


Hopefully the Schaub injury cheering incident challenged the BullsonParade pride. Hopefully the start of Case Keenum will get these guys to rally behind their offense, their QB. Hopefully they'll play with a little extra somet'n-somet'n to honor their DC, sonofBum..... because those guys have not been playing winning football.

I don't care about how many yards they've allowed. I've got a QB on pace to throw for 4100 yards. But if he doesn't get his sht straight (& realistically, he might not see the field again) he's not playing like a Super Bowl contending QB. Same thing with the defense, #1 in yards is great, but if they don't get straight on a lot of other things.... run defense, red zone defense, penalties, turnover generation..... they aren't playing like Super Bowl contenders, they're not playing like Division Champs, they're not playing like a winning defense.


You know football is a game of emotion correct? Our offense laid an egg ONCE again and you get mad our defense gave up one drive for a td AFTER our stupid qb gave the game away......the more our offense fails the more it will affect our defense, its just fact. their emotion lets up and they start making mistakes and penalties.....we need spark and hopefully Case provides that, he may not play like a HOF but he may lift the spirits of the team and the TEAM can carry us to victory.....

thunderkyss
10-20-2013, 11:37 AM
If I am correct and Case struggles, you are right, I will be very disappointed.

I won't. He's bascially a rookie. I expected Kj to struggle as a rookie, I expected Newton to struggle in what was basically his rookie season, I expected Duane Brown to struggle his rookie season, I expect Hopkins to struggle his rookie season. Some guys don't struggle, Tate, Cushing, Watt, Demeco.....

This game has nothing to do with Case Keenum. Remember coming out of the half of the San Francisco game Kubiak said he's got bigger things to worry about than his QB? He probably wanted to make the QB change back then, but couldn't if the defense was going to play the way they were, or if our OL was struggling the way they were.

Everybody thought he was crazy, but when the QB is struggling, everybody knows the QB is struggling, Our defense has to play better. If we're going to play a less experienced QB the team has to play better than they did.

IDEXAN
10-20-2013, 11:42 AM
and if he doesn't, you do realize how ridiculous this post is going to look, right?

:) in the great words of the Prophet Bluto.. "What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
I hope the kid wins the game for the Texans ! That would be great, but I'm just trying to brace you, because he might turn out to be a starting NFL QB eventually, but this is an impossible situation to throw him into. He hasn't suited up once since being in the NFL during the regular season. I just hope his confidence is not destroyed.

thunderkyss
10-20-2013, 11:46 AM
There's people within the Texans locker room (yes.. people who play football.. like Gannon did.. people who actually know what's going on with the Texans.. unlike Gannon) that think Keenum gives them a chance to win now.

They need to play like it today. If they do & Kubiak starts talking about starting Schaub, they need to take the coach aside & explain their position. Don't make a big stink of it, because then it's a "who's running the team" situation & that's a no win situation for the fans.

Instead, they need to get Aj to walk into Kubiak's office before the game & guarantee him they will play better & let him know they love Schaub, but they need the QB change (& if they prefer Case, let him know they prefer Case.... or they can say they'll let him decide who to start, just not Matt, odds are he'll pick Case).

Rey
10-20-2013, 11:50 AM
The Case love is irrational. Everything that has happened to Case has been pretty much on schedule for an UDFA QB, maybe ahead of schedule. But the Case crowd is all over Kubiak because we didn't have Case activated for the play-offs last season (a little exaggerated).

A lot exaggerated. Matter of fact I don't recall hearing or reading that anywhere.

But we can agree to disagree. There is no reason at all to put Schaub back into a game wearing a texans uniform unless keenum and Yates get hurt. Or by some miracle we make the play offs and case gets hurt.

Other than that I couldn't care less about any irrational case hype. I don't care. I'm rooting for whichever qb can help this team win. I strongly feel that isn't Schaub, and I am not sold that it's keenum but I want to give him a shot.

But the inly reason you responded to that post is because you have irrational Schaub love.

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 11:52 AM
I hope the kid wins the game for the Texans ! That would be great, but I'm just trying to brace you, because he might turn out to be a starting NFL QB eventually, but this is an impossible situation to throw him into. He hasn't suited up once since being in the NFL during the regular season. I just hope his confidence is not destroyed.

because he hasn't suited up once is why I'm giving him faith...he doesn't know what he doesn't know. I think the chiefs are about to run into a south paw (who should all be destroyed), they won't know what hit them. :)

Rey
10-20-2013, 12:08 PM
I heard Rich Gannon on the radio this week discussing the Texan QB situation. He thinks Matt Schaub playing better is the Texans best chance for success this year. Is he a family member, a friend, or just wanting to be right?... Or, do you just know more about football than Gannon does?

I heard Derrick ward say the texans will never win a Super Bowl with Matt Schaub.

Do you know more than a football player that played with Matt Schaub?

CloakNNNdagger
10-20-2013, 12:12 PM
You guys do realize Case is gonna get killed today in KC today, right ?

It won't phase Case one little bit.

http://f3nation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/thank-you-sir-may-i-have-another.jpg

heymak
10-20-2013, 12:16 PM
I'm just hoping tomorrow I see one of those corny headlines like "CK lights up KC!" I can hope, can't I?

CloakNNNdagger
10-20-2013, 12:17 PM
Case and the rest of the Texans will prove this to be the monumental Trap Game for the Chiefs.

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/ITíS+A+TRAP_b15bd3_4848037.gif

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 12:26 PM
I heard Derrick ward say the texans will never win a Super Bowl with Matt Schaub.

Do you know more than a football player that played with Matt Schaub?

Be careful, a little fishy will swim in and call you a liar or proclaim that you're not a Texans fan and your only interest in posting here is to make sure his QB is "S" canned... even though you've been posting here long before his (blood) Schaub was even a NFL thought.

Sigma
10-20-2013, 12:45 PM
Case and the rest of the Texans will prove this to be the monumental Trap Game for the Chiefs.

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/ITíS+A+TRAP_b15bd3_4848037.gif

and the kick is good!

Nitrofish
10-20-2013, 01:13 PM
They talked about it this morning of NFL Network.. it was also brought up on First Take Friday on how (names) Brian Cushing, Antonio Smith, Andre Johnson, and Duane Brown have all came out and talked highly of Keenum.. who knows how many other players are talking... it doesn't take a damn genius to be able to read the tea leaves here.

P.S.

My hopes and dreams are not tied to the fall of Schaub (#1 reason is because he's already fallen so there's nothing to even tie to), but it's apparently clear your hopes and dreams are tied to keeping him propped up... for whatever reason, "blood is thicker than water".

Oh I see, so the lip service every player would give when asked about another player suddenly means they want a QB change?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKG-kbKeIo

Why in the world do you want to go there now?

It's not worth it. We've got two weeks for that debate, no reason to start muddying the water now.

Right now, it's about Case. He needs the BullsonParade to bring it. blahblahblahing about the gimp ain't helping nobody.

Why not? Because you don't see any reason for it? I'll be sure to check with you first next time I consider making a post to be sure I am not jumping the gun on a topic.

It's not about Case dude. It's about the Texans. When are you people going to get that? Calling Schaub a Gimp does nothing but make you look as petty as the rest of the name callers and cry babies.

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 01:21 PM
Oh I see, so the lip service every player would give when asked about another player suddenly means they want a QB change?.

:vincepalm: No, but when your own QB coach comes out and openly roots for the other guy it does. I understand your "relation" to this topic, but get real here.. it's blatantly obvious that the Texans are moving on.

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 01:22 PM
[QUOTE=Nitrofish;2233037]

Seriously, what makes you so infatuated with Schaub? I've accused you of being a part of his family like 30 times now (some of which were deleted.. sorry Lucky) and you have not once denied it. Hulk75 v 2.0

maddogmrb
10-20-2013, 01:36 PM
I am a big Case Keenum fan and I expect him to do at least really good things in the NFL .... eventually!!

What I see on this board is the Keenum fans are a little over the top with their appreciation for him and his detractors are basically saying ..."Okay Keenum fanboys, let's see him destroy the Chiefs Sunday or he is no good!" Both sides do not have realistic expectations.

It would be hard for ANY team with ANY NFL QB to go into KC this weekend and destroy them and that includes all the top teams and QB's. So, to put such expectations on CK with a mediocre 2-4 team and suspect coaching on him is unfair and unrealistic.

Some have stated their expectations of him to be 'mistake free'. Even the BEST QB's in the league are not 'mistake free' and add to that the pressure cooker of this game in KC. Another unrealistic expectation.

I believe our expectations should be that he competently operates the QB position and gains confidence as the game goes on. I expect him to make more than one mistake. An interception or 2 is highly possible. However, I also expect him to make some plays that we're not used to seeing from our QB's. I expect, as his comfort level grows, that he will improve in his pocket presence and ability to look down field and read the defense. I expect him to go outside Gary's box when plays break down and sometimes create something good from it instead of creating a turnover or loss. If he gets thru this pressure packed game as I've described against the undefeated Chiefs on their noisy home field with our mediocre team and mediocre coaching then the upside for him will be great moving forward.

Expecting him to 'lead' us to victory is unrealistic, but possible knowing him. However, the people who SHOULD be leading this team to victory this week are Arian Foster, Andre Johnson, Duane Brown, Chris Myers, JJ Watt, Antonio Smith, Brian Cushing, Ed Reed, Jonathon Joseph, Gary Kubiak and Wade Phillips with Keenum being competent enough to operate the offense and not throw the game away.

thunderkyss
10-20-2013, 01:42 PM
But we can agree to disagree. There is no reason at all to put Schaub back into a game wearing a texans uniform unless keenum and Yates get hurt. Or by some miracle we make the play offs and case gets hurt.

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I'm not arguing that.

The Case love has been ridiculous & unwarranted. Only a fanboi would say otherwise.

TheMatrix31
10-20-2013, 01:46 PM
All this hand-wringing is annoying, tedious, and ridiculous.

The players are going to say positive things REGARDLESS of what the decision is.

Let the ****ing guy play. If he fails, he fails. If he succeeds, he succeeds. If he looks pedestrian, he looks pedestrian. He will be what he becomes.

Relying on Case Keenum to lead us to anything right now is not good. As said above, our real stars are going to have to lead us to victory today and beyond.

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 01:46 PM
I am a big Case Keenum fan and I expect him to do at least really good things in the NFL .... eventually!!

What I see on this board is the Keenum fans are a little over the top with their appreciation for him and his detractors are basically saying ..."Okay Keenum fanboys, let's see him destroy the Chiefs Sunday or he is no good!" Both sides do not have realistic expectations.

It would be hard for ANY team with ANY NFL QB to go into KC this weekend and destroy them and that includes all the top teams and QB's. So, to put such expectations on CK with a mediocre 2-4 team and suspect coaching on him is unfair and unrealistic.

Some have stated their expectations of him to be 'mistake free'. Even the BEST QB's in the league are not 'mistake free' and add to that the pressure cooker of this game in KC. Another unrealistic expectation.

I believe our expectations should be that he competently operates the QB position and gains confidence as the game goes on. I expect him to make more than one mistake. An interception or 2 is highly possible. However, I also expect him to make some plays that we're not used to seeing from our QB's. I expect, as his comfort level grows, that he will improve in his pocket presence and ability to look down field and read the defense. I expect him to go outside Gary's box when plays break down and sometimes create something good from it instead of creating a turnover or loss. If he gets thru this pressure packed game as I've described against the undefeated Chiefs on their noisy home field with our mediocre team and mediocre coaching then the upside for him will be great moving forward.

Expecting him to 'lead' us to victory is unrealistic, but possible knowing him. However, the people who SHOULD be leading this team to victory this week are Arian Foster, Andre Johnson, Duane Brown, Chris Myers, JJ Watt, Antonio Smith, Brian Cushing, Ed Reed, Jonathon Joseph, Gary Kubiak and Wade Phillips with Keenum being competent enough to operate the offense and not throw the game away.

This is what I expect... I expect Keenum to look capable at his position and not make the same mistakes his predecessors have made that put us in costly situations.. and I expect the defense to man up behind their morning DC who just lost his father and go braveheat on the chiefs. This game will probably be a defensive struggle and a 10-6 final score won't bother me at all.. as long as we're on the winning end.

Rey
10-20-2013, 01:55 PM
I'm not arguing that.

The Case love has been ridiculous & unwarranted. Only a fanboi would say otherwise.

I have not commented on what I think of "Case love" other than using it as a comparison to the "Schaub love".


But I will now. I'm not a case fanboi, but I am curious to see what he has. Just from what I've personally heard, that seems to be the general thought pattern.

So if that's "The Case love" you are referring to then I disagree.

Just to be clear, I think it's ridiculous and unwarranted to put Schaub back in at any point unless we are depleted due to injuries. Even if Case plays terrible in a win today, I would not go back to Schaub. For what? (IMO)

badboy
10-20-2013, 01:56 PM
Going through my posts prior to Keenum being announced as starter and found this from week ago. Now if the rest will come true:

At the moment I have a slightly different take than you as I have watched Keenum for several college years and compare him favorably to all 2014 QBs. Add in that he will have two years NFL seasoning and hopefully some actual game experience to evaluate, I at this moment rate him + a #1 pick at another position over selecting a QB. In my perfect world of optimism, I trade MS + Tate for Browns WR Josh Gordon (despite team saying not up for trade) and their own third round. That leaves them two firsts, a second and another third from Steelers. Just to clarify, Gordon at Baylor had issues with marijuana but the 2013 suspension for first two games was due to taking cough syrup with codeine in it for a strep throat in February. Link:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/93...pended-2-games

A change of scenery for MS could revive his career and Tate is a tantalizing morsel for a RB starved Cleveland team.

Texecutioner
10-20-2013, 01:56 PM
I'm not arguing that.

The Case love has been ridiculous & unwarranted. Only a fanboi would say otherwise.

You're describing your hard headed love for Matt Schaub actually along with your undying infatuation for Kubiak. Both of which you'll most likely deny ever existed when both of them are gone as you do with just about every other subject you argue for years and then deny ever caring about. I'm calling it out now. The only reason you continue to make these wild claims of people way over hyping Keenum is because you don't want to see Schaub replaced.

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 01:59 PM
I'm not arguing that.

The Case love has been ridiculous & unwarranted. Only a fanboi would say otherwise.

The Case bashing has been ridiculous and unwarranted.. this has nothing to do with being a "fanboi". As far as being a "case homer", the entire team has now backed him.. so were they also being a "fanbois"?

If you have anything positive to say about the kid, you're labeled a member of the "Case cult club" or a "UofH homer" even though you never stepped foot of that campus or follow that team... that's what is ridiculous.

The love for Case has been very warranted, because it isn't just fans rooting for Case to succeed.. it's fans rooting for a change at QB. Which has to happen if we are able to even sniff anywhere close to a SB appearance or even consistently win this division.

Rey
10-20-2013, 02:03 PM
I don't know what to expect today. And that's what makes this game exciting for me. I could see it going really well or really poorly.

But my gut tells me that Case is going to play well and will make some plays that the other two guys don't make.

But this is his first NFL start so I don't expect him to be flawless and I could see him not seeing some coverage correctly and throwing a pick(s). He has his flaws, but like Kubiak said cheerfully at his last press conference, I like Cases instincts and that's what I'm hoping to see today.

The off schedule plays. The throws that Schaub couldn't/Didn't make. The ability to scramble when no one is open and pick up any positive yardage at all.

But as far as I'm concerned the rest of the year should be a Case/TJ Audition (TJ should get another shot if Case stinks). And since I'm already convinced on what Schaub is, I don't need to see any more. IF no one on the roster can play NFL QB at a high level....Well, now we know. Time to move on and grab THE GUY in the draft.

But really all this Schaub talk is just in one ear and out the other. Case being terrible or not has no bearing on what I think of him and his future here. IMO, it's either Case (with a small chance it's TJ) or it's a rookie next year. I'm past Matt Schaub already.

Rey
10-20-2013, 02:04 PM
Going through my posts prior to Keenum being announced as starter and found this from week ago. Now if the rest will come true:

At the moment I have a slightly different take than you as I have watched Keenum for several college years and compare him favorably to all 2014 QBs. Add in that he will have two years NFL seasoning and hopefully some actual game experience to evaluate, I at this moment rate him + a #1 pick at another position over selecting a QB. In my perfect world of optimism, I trade MS + Tate for Browns WR Josh Gordon (despite team saying not up for trade) and their own third round. That leaves them two firsts, a second and another third from Steelers. Just to clarify, Gordon at Baylor had issues with marijuana but the 2013 suspension for first two games was due to taking cough syrup with codeine in it for a strep throat in February. Link:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/93...pended-2-games

A change of scenery for MS could revive his career and Tate is a tantalizing morsel for a RB starved Cleveland team.

I would do that trade.

dream_team
10-20-2013, 02:04 PM
Every texan fan should root for Case to play well enough to keep his job and to move on from the schaub era.

Every Texan fan should root for a Texans victory, regardless who our QB is.

thunderkyss
10-20-2013, 02:17 PM
if case struggles badly kubiak will go back to schaub. His job is on the line hence why he leapfrogged keenum over yates.

Every texan fan should root for Case to play well enough to keep his job and to move on from the schaub era.

We're not going to win with Case, Schaub, or Tj if the run game does not dominate, if the defense does not dominate. & I don't mean good enough to win, they need to dominate, they need to play so well that we win in spite of the QB, in spite of the Special Teams.

So it's not about if Case struggles or not. It's about the spark. If there is a spark, then Kubiak will have to try to figure out if it was because our fans cheered Schaub's injury, if it's because Case was named starter, or if it's because Wade's daddy passed away. Personally I couldn't care less what provided the spark, as long as there is one. If it's there, I'm not changing anything.

If it's not there, then Kubiak has to decide what gives us the best chance to win after the bye. IF Case struggles & Matt is healthy I have no doubt what Kubiak is going to do.

djohn2oo8
10-20-2013, 02:21 PM
We're not going to win with Case, Schaub, or Tj if the run game does not dominate, if the defense does not dominate. & I don't mean good enough to win, they need to dominate, they need to play so well that we win in spite of the QB, in spite of the Special Teams.

So it's not about if Case struggles or not. It's about the spark. If there is a spark, then Kubiak will have to try to figure out if it was because our fans cheered Schaub's injury, if it's because Case was named starter, or if it's because Wade's daddy passed away. Personally I couldn't care less what provided the spark, as long as there is one. If it's there, I'm not changing anything.

If it's not there, then Kubiak has to decide what gives us the best chance to win after the bye. IF Case struggles & Matt is healthy I have no doubt what Kubiak is going to do.
Sorry, but we have too many g'damn weapons on offense to NEED the defense to dominate to win.

thunderkyss
10-20-2013, 02:30 PM
Sorry, but we have too many g'damn weapons on offense to NEED the defense to dominate to win.

Agreed. I meant win a Super Bowl. We don't have an elite QB, this team was built to win a Super Bowl without an elite QB. With the play makers we have, should've been able to make Schaub look elite. But he fcked it up. Again & again & again.

drs23
10-20-2013, 03:32 PM
A lot exaggerated. Matter of fact I don't recall hearing or reading that anywhere.

But we can agree to disagree. There is no reason at all to put Schaub back into a game wearing a texans uniform unless keenum and Yates get hurt. Or by some miracle we make the play offs and case gets hurt.

Other than that I couldn't care less about any irrational case hype. I don't care. I'm rooting for whichever qb can help this team win. I strongly feel that isn't Schaub, and I am not sold that it's keenum but I want to give him a shot.

But the inly reason you responded to that post is because you have irrational Schaub love.

But, but TK don't even like Schaub. :kitten::kitten:

Texecutioner
10-20-2013, 03:37 PM
I'm not arguing that.

The Case love has been ridiculous & unwarranted. Only a fanboi would say otherwise.

You're describing your hard headed love for Matt Schaub actually along with your undying infatuation for Kubiak. Both of which you'll most likely deny ever existed when both of them are gone as you do with just about every other subject you argue for years and then deny ever caring about. I'm calling it out now. The only reason you continue to make these wild claims of people way over hyping Keenum is because you don't want to see Schaub replaced.

mussop
10-20-2013, 04:07 PM
1 quarter and I'm sold. We have a QB that should get every chance succeed as the starter for the rest of this season.

Mr teX
10-20-2013, 04:23 PM
1 quarter and I'm sold. We have a QB that should get every chance succeed as the starter for the rest of this season.

Agree...no reason to go back to schaub or yates

JamesBill
10-20-2013, 04:41 PM
Agree...no reason to go back to schaub or yates

Sage soundly outperformed Carr and Schaub but never won the job. I doubt Gary lets Case start.

Mr teX
10-20-2013, 04:49 PM
Sage soundly outperformed Carr and Schaub but never won the job. I doubt Gary lets Case start.

If this kid keeps up his play like this, its gonna be impossible to not start him....even if we lose....

But then again, let him go back to schaub...it'll be the fastest way to get him thrown outta town b/c the fans would be at his house next.....let the new coach continue to work with keenum...:evil:

eriadoc
10-20-2013, 04:50 PM
Sorry, but we have too many g'damn weapons on offense to NEED the defense to dominate to win.

Unless those weapons are always sitting on the sidelines while the defense lets the opponents casually march down the field on 90+ yard drives.

Is there a record for most 90+ yard rives allowed in one season?

JamesBill
10-20-2013, 05:00 PM
If this kid keeps up his play like this, its gonna be impossible to not start him....even if we lose....

But then again, let him go back to schaub...it'll be the fastest way to get him thrown outta town b/c the fans would be at his house next.....let the new coach continue to work with keenum...:evil:

In 2007 Sage threw 4 TDs in the 4th quarter when he came in the game for an injured Schaub. Schaub led 0 scoring drives, and threw for 23 yards in an entire half.

Sage then he went 4-1 as a starter with the lone loss being to the 13-3 Colts.

Rey
10-20-2013, 05:43 PM
In 2007 Sage threw 4 TDs in the 4th quarter when he came in the game for an injured Schaub. Schaub led 0 scoring drives, and threw for 23 yards in an entire half.

Sage then he went 4-1 as a starter with the lone loss being to the 13-3 Colts.

Sage should have been the qb here, not Schaub.