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djohn2oo8
10-16-2013, 04:35 PM
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 10m
Andre Johnson said Keenum "has an aura about him". Said he is just so excited to be out there and is having fun. #Texans

ThaShark316
10-16-2013, 04:43 PM
Dre = http://www.hark.com/clips/lhxqqbvppn-his-aura-he-was-orange

Hottoddie
10-16-2013, 04:47 PM
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 10m
Andre Johnson said Keenum "has an aura about him". Said he is just so excited to be out there and is having fun. #Texans

This is what Kubiak needs to hear. This just reaffirms my belief that Keenum would bring some excitement back to this season & fire up the other players.

Carr Bombed
10-16-2013, 04:52 PM
Duane Brown also said something similar. Coincedence, I think not. I think the offense is rooting for him to take this job.. they aren't stupid and probably realize Schaub and Yates have reached their ceilings.

In Schaub's case, his ceiling has collasped on top of him and he's regressed even going back to last season.. with Yates, his ceiling was never that high to begin with.

fiasco west
10-16-2013, 04:54 PM
I think anyone that saw him play were impressed with what he did in preseason.

I'll be surprised if they put Yates out there, moreso if they go to Schaub.

Sigma
10-16-2013, 04:59 PM
I think anyone that saw him play were impressed with what he did in preseason.

I'll be surprised if they put Yates out there, moreso if they go to Schaub.

to be honest I will be surprised if keenum starts next week

what won't surprise me is:

1- schaub still injured: TJ starts
2- schaub not injured: schaub starts
3- schaub not injured: TJ starts
4- schaub still limping: schaub starts
5- we lose
6- I don't enjoy watching the game


but if they surprise me on #6 I don't even care about all the other points

Double Barrel
10-16-2013, 04:59 PM
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 10m
Andre Johnson said Keenum "has an aura about him". Said he is just so excited to be out there and is having fun. #Texans

wow...high praise indeed. That's pretty awesome, especially coming from a high caliber and respected player like A.J.

While I don't want to read too much into it, this one quote right here really makes me want to see what Keenum is made of. And by the sound of it, A.J. might feel the same way.

PockyAF
10-16-2013, 05:03 PM
if kubiak hasn't already lost the team, he will on Sunday if he goes with Yates.

NO WAY you got two of your star players talking about a guy like this, just to rip away that excitment from them.

Hottoddie
10-16-2013, 05:17 PM
I'm starting to worry that if we don't do something quickly to jump start this team, this could be AJ's last legitimate chance at a Superbowl run with the Texans. I can see the Texan's trading AJ to a true contender in the next couple of years to give him a shot at a SB with someone else. If it happens, that'll be a sad day in Houston.

AggieTexan
10-16-2013, 05:23 PM
Andre's comment is the reason I want to see Keenum start...he brings something to the table that the others don't, and it's not something you can teach. I would also love to see somebody with some mobility at the position!

TheIronDuke
10-16-2013, 05:26 PM
So, everyone knows that Kubes is definitely going to start Yates on Sunday, right? To start Keenum would be deviating from the plan and Kubes does not deviate from the plan. I would be stunned if Yates isn't starting on Sunday.

BullNation4Life
10-16-2013, 05:28 PM
So, everyone knows that Kubes is definitely going to start Yates on Sunday, right? To start Keenum would be deviating from the plan and Kubes does not deviate from the plan. I would be stunned if Yates isn't starting on Sunday.

Yeah, ok fine...Bring us all back down to Earth...

If Keenum doesn't start, then possibly after the bye against Indy at home?

Thorn
10-16-2013, 05:34 PM
So, everyone knows that Kubes is definitely going to start Yates on Sunday, right? To start Keenum would be deviating from the plan and Kubes does not deviate from the plan. I would be stunned if Yates isn't starting on Sunday.

He's working them both out with the ones this week. Maybe Yates plays the 1st half and Keenum the 2nd. But whatever. Schaub and Yates are known quantities, Keenum in an actual NFL game isn't. And Kubiak is well aware of that.

Frankly, Keenum starting this Sunday would shock the hell out of me. Kubiak has shown to many times in the past he doesn't like leaving his comfort zone.

htowntexans1985
10-16-2013, 05:39 PM
He's working them both out with the ones this week. Maybe Yates plays the 1st half and Keenum the 2nd. But whatever. Schaub and Yates are known quantities, Keenum in an actual NFL game isn't. And Kubiak is well aware of that.

Frankly, Keenum starting this Sunday would shock the hell out of me. Kubiak has shown to many times in the past he doesn't like leaving his comfort zone.

This isnt preseason. You stick with one unless the #1 gets hurt or plays terribly. And I think it should be Keenum.

IlliniJen
10-16-2013, 05:59 PM
He's working them both out with the ones this week. Maybe Yates plays the 1st half and Keenum the 2nd. But whatever. Schaub and Yates are known quantities, Keenum in an actual NFL game isn't. And Kubiak is well aware of that.

Frankly, Keenum starting this Sunday would shock the hell out of me. Kubiak has shown to many times in the past he doesn't like leaving his comfort zone.

This. This a thousand times. I will be shocked if Keenum starts. And I do hope he does, even though I think he could be a hot mess...but I'd rather have a the excitement of a hot mess than the certainty of a lukewarm piss puddle (Yates or Schaub...they're interchangeable in my mind).

fiasco west
10-16-2013, 06:09 PM
to be honest I will be surprised if keenum starts next week

what won't surprise me is:

1- schaub still injured: TJ starts
2- schaub not injured: schaub starts
3- schaub not injured: TJ starts
4- schaub still limping: schaub starts
5- we lose
6- I don't enjoy watching the game


but if they surprise me on #6 I don't even care about all the other points

I think Case starts.

I think if Yates was undoubtedly going to be the starter they wouldn't even bother him sharing snaps with Case. The fact that Case is even a question at this point as a 3rd string QB means that Kubiak is giving it serious question.

I mean if Yates is truly the 2nd string QB then this is his job, no doubt about it...so why split the practice time? I think it's under more serious consideration and now other players getting behind Keenum and Yates previous play has only helped.

edwardc5637
10-16-2013, 06:15 PM
Would be good to see something fresh and exciting.

Say Watt
10-16-2013, 06:16 PM
So, everyone knows that Kubes is definitely going to start Yates on Sunday, right? To start Keenum would be deviating from the plan and Kubes does not deviate from the plan. I would be stunned if Yates isn't starting on Sunday.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m98ziqyWFA1resksjo2_500.gif

EllisUnit
10-16-2013, 06:24 PM
I think Kubiak throws us all a curve ball and Case is announced the starter before the game, if this happend i will be more pumped for a game than i was our first play-off game. If he starts i believe he will do very well, he is a student of the game with a desire to win and a true love for the game. Add those qualities together and you have a potential special player.

Playoffs
10-16-2013, 06:27 PM
Awww, heck, it's raining... put the kid in.

http://themellowjihadi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Houston-Quarterback-Case-Keenum-throws-nine-touchdown-passes.jpg
http://blog.chron.com/depthoffield/files/2012/01/20111122_KEENUM_NdlT_0021-396x600.jpg

texanhead08
10-16-2013, 06:32 PM
Its so hard for me as a Houston Cougar to be objective on the subject of Case Keenum. I want him to earn this, but I also want him to succeed in the worst way to show all those who doubted his talent that he is a good QB and can succeed at this level. It also irked me how they called him a system QB in college, but when RG III and Johnny Football played in the same offense they never got that label.

Case has given all UH fans a lot of joy watching him play and I want him to be able to do that to Texan fans too.

EVOLVIST
10-16-2013, 06:50 PM
I think Case starts.

I think if Yates was undoubtedly going to be the starter they wouldn't even bother him sharing snaps with Case. The fact that Case is even a question at this point as a 3rd string QB means that Kubiak is giving it serious question.

I mean if Yates is truly the 2nd string QB then this is his job, no doubt about it...so why split the practice time? I think it's under more serious consideration and now other players getting behind Keenum and Yates previous play has only helped.

MSR.

Such a simple yet obvious way to look at it; I can't believe I hadn't thought of it. I actually feel stupid for having not looked at that angle. And here I was thinking Kubes was going to star Keenum because he mentioned Case first out of the two when he said he was going to work them both out to prepare for the game. I could be looking into too much, but I think psychologically that was telling.

But remember folks, we'd be throwing Case into one helluva damn cauldron in Arrowhead for his first NFL start. I don't know if Kubes would do that.

EllisUnit
10-16-2013, 06:52 PM
MSR.

Such a simple yet obvious way to look at it; I can't believe I hadn't thought of it. I actually feel stupid for having not looked at that angle. And here I was thinking Kubes was going to star Keenum because he mentioned Case first out of the two when he mentioned he was going to work them both out to prepare for the game. I could be looking into too much, but I think psychologically that was telling.

But remember folks, we'd be throwing Case into one helluva damn cauldron in Arrowhead for his first NFL start. I don't know if Kubes would do that.

i think this is the perfect time to put him in, i dont think Case needs a confidence builder game haha. I think this is just what he needs, and i honestly dont think anyone will be dissapointed with the results.

Grams
10-16-2013, 06:53 PM
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 10m
Andre Johnson said Keenum "has an aura about him". Said he is just so excited to be out there and is having fun. #Texans

If anyone watched the preseason you would have seen this yourself. There was a marked difference in the energy and intensity level when Case was in.

ST675
10-16-2013, 07:03 PM
If anyone watched the preseason you would have seen this yourself. There was a marked difference in the energy and intensity level when Case was in.

yup, I was more on the edge of my seat just to see him play.

IMO good or bad, Let him play the entire game. Let fans see what he can do good or bad. You have a bye week coming up, that gives the team time to rest up and get better, plus gives the fans and talking heads two weeks to digest the quality of all 3 QB's. This gives more of a look to what we have for the near future..

paycheck71
10-16-2013, 07:07 PM
To be fair, AJ had positive things to say about both Case and TJ, and he'd be comfortable with both of them

James Palmer @JPalmerCSN
Andre Johnson said when Yates is out there it's all business. He likes both he said. #Texans

Let's not make more out of AJ's comments than there actually was. That said, I want to see Keenum get a chance to start.

thunderkyss
10-16-2013, 07:20 PM
I think Case starts.

I think if Yates was undoubtedly going to be the starter they wouldn't even bother him sharing snaps with Case. The fact that Case is even a question at this point as a 3rd string QB means that Kubiak is giving it serious question.

I mean if Yates is truly the 2nd string QB then this is his job, no doubt about it...so why split the practice time? I think it's under more serious consideration and now other players getting behind Keenum and Yates previous play has only helped.

Let's imagine you've got to put a football team out on the field to play come Sunday. You must be prepared to finish the game, even if a player gets hurt. So you've got to prepare the starter, then you've got to prepare your back up.

At WR, for instance. Keyshawn Martin gets snaps at both the Y & the Z position. If something were to happen to either Andre or DeAndre, Keyshawn becomes a starter. With that in mind, Keyshawn takes first team snaps during practice. Andre & DeAndre gets most of them. Keyshawn probably gets as much, since he is preparing for two positions.

In the case of our QB..... even before our game week 1, game, our #1 & #2 QBs split snaps. Schaub got most of them, Tj got quiet a few. Case led the scout team. None of the snaps he took prepared him for coming into a regular season game. That makes sense, since he wasn't expected to see any part of a regular season game.

Now, the fate of our starting QB is in question. We don't know if he's going to be able to play. In the event that he can't start the game & something prevents Tj from finishing the game, we need to be prepared to send someone out there & "play" QB. Since Keenum is the only other QB on our roster, he gets the nod.

Kubiak said he's got to prepare both of his young QBs for Sunday's game. We assumed that meant Case may get an opportunity to start. It's possible (far fetched, I know) that he meant he's got to prepare Tj to start & Case to be a back up.

Crazy idea, I know... but stranger things have happened.

djohn2oo8
10-16-2013, 07:24 PM
To be fair, AJ had positive things to say about both Case and TJ, and he'd be comfortable with both of them



Let's not make more out of AJ's comments than there actually was. That said, I want to see Keenum get a chance to start.

Yeah, but he basically says Case has something extra about him.

Surreal McCoy
10-16-2013, 08:46 PM
FFS. Two pages of this bollocks.

Andre was specifically asked about Keenum, and duly replied. He most likely would have said the same thing had he been asked about Yates.

Do you actually think AJ would throw Keenum under the bus by saying, "I haven't seen much of him because he was on the practice squad all last year, and this year he's been running the scout team, that is when TJ isn't available."

I get the excitement over the unknown. But this is not a case of AJ seeking out a reporter just to fawn over Keenum.

:mariopalm:

paycheck71
10-16-2013, 08:50 PM
Andre was specifically asked about Keenum, and duly replied. He most likely would have said the same thing had he been asked about Yates.


He did. Check my post above.

Showtime100
10-16-2013, 09:02 PM
Its so hard for me as a Houston Cougar to be objective on the subject of Case Keenum. I want him to earn this, but I also want him to succeed in the worst way to show all those who doubted his talent that he is a good QB and can succeed at this level. It also irked me how they called him a system QB in college, but when RG III and Johnny Football played in the same offense they never got that label.

Case has given all UH fans a lot of joy watching him play and I want him to be able to do that to Texan fans too.

Love this post. My thoughts exactly.

EllisUnit
10-16-2013, 09:07 PM
FFS. Two pages of this bollocks.

Andre was specifically asked about Keenum, and duly replied. He most likely would have said the same thing had he been asked about Yates.

Do you actually think AJ would throw Keenum under the bus by saying, "I haven't seen much of him because he was on the practice squad all last year, and this year he's been running the scout team, that is when TJ isn't available."

I get the excitement over the unknown. But this is not a case of AJ seeking out a reporter just to fawn over Keenum.

:mariopalm:

AJ could of easily said yeah i have confidence in Keenum, but he didnt he specifically said he has that thing about him, which is what a lot of us here see as well. Its not hard to see that Keenum has qualities the other two QBs do not have.

burro
10-16-2013, 09:17 PM
It sounds corny as hell, but it wouldn't hurt the team to have a little fun. Keenum's giddy energy could very well be the hangover cure the Texans need. Lord knows that hair of the dog aint working.

Texanmike02
10-16-2013, 09:22 PM
AJ could of easily said yeah i have confidence in Keenum, but he didnt he specifically said he has that thing about him, which is what a lot of us here see as well. Its not hard to see that Keenum has qualities the other two QBs do not have.

I like case and I honestly think that if Schaub can't get it done that you have to go to Keenum because Yates is Schaub lite but I don't think that what AJ said is positive at all.

If you ask me that is not what you want AJ to say.

"So AJ what do you think about that barbiesque cheerleader over there?"

"She's hot! She dances well"

"And what about the new "anchor" of the squad?"

"She's really got an aura about her... she's out there having fun"

I might be wrong, but I really thought that was the "great personality" of compliments...

It wasn't "he can make all of the throws" or the "he's got a great command of the huddle".

And again, I'm a Case guy, I just don't think this was really that much of a compliment as much as it was just a statement.

It was probably not a "he's awesome" or "he sucks" it was probably just a "um, I don't want to say anything too good or to bad".

Mike

GuerillaBlack
10-16-2013, 09:22 PM
To be fair, AJ had positive things to say about both Case and TJ, and he'd be comfortable with both of them



Let's not make more out of AJ's comments than there actually was. That said, I want to see Keenum get a chance to start.

What you posted was just Andre being PC. What Andre said about Case was real.

RTP2110
10-16-2013, 09:34 PM
Let's imagine you've got to put a football team out on the field to play come Sunday. You must be prepared to finish the game, even if a player gets hurt. So you've got to prepare the starter, then you've got to prepare your back up.

At WR, for instance. Keyshawn Martin gets snaps at both the Y & the Z position. If something were to happen to either Andre or DeAndre, Keyshawn becomes a starter. With that in mind, Keyshawn takes first team snaps during practice. Andre & DeAndre gets most of them. Keyshawn probably gets as much, since he is preparing for two positions.

In the case of our QB..... even before our game week 1, game, our #1 & #2 QBs split snaps. Schaub got most of them, Tj got quiet a few. Case led the scout team. None of the snaps he took prepared him for coming into a regular season game. That makes sense, since he wasn't expected to see any part of a regular season game.

Now, the fate of our starting QB is in question. We don't know if he's going to be able to play. In the event that he can't start the game & something prevents Tj from finishing the game, we need to be prepared to send someone out there & "play" QB. Since Keenum is the only other QB on our roster, he gets the nod.

Kubiak said he's got to prepare both of his young QBs for Sunday's game. We assumed that meant Case may get an opportunity to start. It's possible (far fetched, I know) that he meant he's got to prepare Tj to start & Case to be a back up.

Crazy idea, I know... but stranger things have happened.

Here's how I interpreted the bolded part. Kubiak is going to start Yates. he has experience, and is already the #2. The reason he is preparing both QB's equally is because Yates is going to have an extremely short leash. If he plays as poorly as he did last week, Kubiak will not hesitate to throw Keenum in there, so he needs to have both of them ready to go.

Seegara
10-16-2013, 09:59 PM
I think anyone that saw him play were impressed with what he did in preseason.

I'll be surprised if they put Yates out there, moreso if they go to Schaub.
That means you think Case Keenum will get the start. Sorry, I don't think the coaches have enough insight for that.

Schaub and Yates are similar in that both stare down the receiver they want to go to. They can't read a defense nor can they find a secondary target. Yates is better in that he can occasionally throw farther than 5 yards with accuracy.

I don't expect Keenum to be an instant superstar. But he is already better than either alternative, and the season is pretty well blown anyhow, so put him in and let him progress. But don't count on Kubes to realize that and admit it.

Rey
10-16-2013, 10:00 PM
Let's imagine you've got to put a football team out on the field to play come Sunday. You must be prepared to finish the game, even if a player gets hurt. So you've got to prepare the starter, then you've got to prepare your back up.

At WR, for instance. Keyshawn Martin gets snaps at both the Y & the Z position. If something were to happen to either Andre or DeAndre, Keyshawn becomes a starter. With that in mind, Keyshawn takes first team snaps during practice. Andre & DeAndre gets most of them. Keyshawn probably gets as much, since he is preparing for two positions.

In the case of our QB..... even before our game week 1, game, our #1 & #2 QBs split snaps. Schaub got most of them, Tj got quiet a few. Case led the scout team. None of the snaps he took prepared him for coming into a regular season game. That makes sense, since he wasn't expected to see any part of a regular season game.

Now, the fate of our starting QB is in question. We don't know if he's going to be able to play. In the event that he can't start the game & something prevents Tj from finishing the game, we need to be prepared to send someone out there & "play" QB. Since Keenum is the only other QB on our roster, he gets the nod.

Kubiak said he's got to prepare both of his young QBs for Sunday's game. We assumed that meant Case may get an opportunity to start. It's possible (far fetched, I know) that he meant he's got to prepare Tj to start & Case to be a back up.

Crazy idea, I know... but stranger things have happened.

Nope. First of all kubiak said he doesn't know who will start. He wouldn't even commit to starting a healthy Schaub.

Second, you don't split reps if you are trying to get TJ ready to start.

Maybe kubiak genuinely didn't know. Crazy idea.

paycheck71
10-16-2013, 10:08 PM
What you posted was just Andre being PC. What Andre said about Case was real.

You can see what you want. I think the entire comment regarding both of them was AJ being PC.

BTW, I'm a Coug and want Case to succeed just as much as the next guy, but let's not read too much into players comments to the media.

paycheck71
10-16-2013, 10:12 PM
Nope. First of all kubiak said he doesn't know who will start. He wouldn't even commit to starting a healthy Schaub.

Second, you don't split reps if you are trying to get TJ ready to start.

Maybe kubiak genuinely didn't know. Crazy idea.

I'm not a coach, and I don't know how a coach prepares his team through the week. But Kubiak couldn't have been happy with what he saw out of TJ last Sunday. That being said, there was also a reason why he picked TJ as the #2 over Case after the training camp. Maybe whatever edge he thought TJ had over Case, with them being "neck in neck" as he said himself, is now gone. Maybe he has a better idea after today's practice on who he's leaning towards, and I'd imagine that guy will get the majority of the reps with #1's Thursday and Friday. Just a thought.

TexansSeminole
10-16-2013, 10:24 PM
The expectations for Keenum are just absolutely insane. Dude went undrafted and made some good throws against backup/out of the league players in the preseason and people are expecting him to give the Texans a huge spark. I guarantee we wouldn't be seeing all this talk had this kid played at Akron or something. It's silly. Anyway, here's to hoping he actually can do something positive IF he even plays.

Texanmike02
10-16-2013, 10:25 PM
I'm not a coach, and I don't know how a coach prepares his team through the week. But Kubiak couldn't have been happy with what he saw out of TJ last Sunday. That being said, there was also a reason why he picked TJ as the #2 over Case after the training camp. Maybe whatever edge he thought TJ had over Case, with them being "neck in neck" as he said himself, is now gone. Maybe he has a better idea after today's practice on who he's leaning towards, and I'd imagine that guy will get the majority of the reps with #1's Thursday and Friday. Just a thought.

Since we are just speculating on all of this I'll offer my explanation for why TJ is number 2 in general. TJ has started, been in real games that mean something and has significant time working with the #1s. He has seen real NFL defenses in real speed when it counts and if you have to come in in the middle of the week with no prep with the #1s all of that experience may be an advantage. Case has never even seen a real live NFL defense when the game is for keeps.

But if you have the chance to pick a starter and give him a chance to work with the 1's, Case may be your guy. It is entirely possible that Kubiak sees Case as a potential starter but TJ as a better backup. Commander Cody was a pretty good backup but a terrible starter, for example.

Mike

Showtime100
10-16-2013, 10:51 PM
The expectations for Keenum are just absolutely insane. Dude went undrafted and made some good throws against backup/out of the league players in the preseason and people are expecting him to give the Texans a huge spark. I guarantee we wouldn't be seeing all this talk had this kid played at Akron or something. It's silly. Anyway, here's to hoping he actually can do something positive IF he even plays.

I could have missed it, but I'm not aware of anyone saying he's going to jump start the offense and off we go if he could only get a chance to play. I'm hearing is folks saying give the kid a chance.

As for the Akron comment, well, if he threw for the same passing yards at Akron as he did at UH, you bet your ass the talk would be the same, which is simply to give the kid a chance.

Frankly, I don't care what his numbers were in college. I'm basing my opinion looking through Texans eyes and how he has done since he became a Texan, not as a Cougar. I loved him in college, but this ain't the NCAA. If he played for another team he I would regard him as the opponent.

RTP2110
10-16-2013, 10:56 PM
The expectations for Keenum are just absolutely insane. Dude went undrafted and made some good throws against backup/out of the league players in the preseason and people are expecting him to give the Texans a huge spark. I guarantee we wouldn't be seeing all this talk had this kid played at Akron or something. It's silly. Anyway, here's to hoping he actually can do something positive IF he even plays.

It's all about the situation. Under normal circumstances, I would agree with you. But I don't think it's unreasonable to think an undrafted, untested kid can create a spark when the QB play of 8 & 13 has been as bad as it is. Because the truth is, it's downright demoralizing.

I'm going to borrow a quote from another thread, but it basically boils down to his...

the crappy play of Schaub and Yates is the only reason why this is even a realistic discussion

Brisco_County
10-16-2013, 11:01 PM
The expectations for Keenum are just absolutely insane. Dude went undrafted and made some good throws against backup/out of the league players in the preseason and people are expecting him to give the Texans a huge spark. I guarantee we wouldn't be seeing all this talk had this kid played at Akron or something. It's silly. Anyway, here's to hoping he actually can do something positive IF he even plays.

Regardless of who he was throwing against in preseason, we saw a wicked fast throwing motion with velocity and accuracy. The "undrafted" and "he's short" critiques are not disqualifying, and are hardly valid in this situation. We shouldn't have to keep listing the QB's who have proven these critiques as not absolute.

Seegara
10-16-2013, 11:08 PM
I'm not a coach, and I don't know how a coach prepares his team through the week. But Kubiak couldn't have been happy with what he saw out of TJ last Sunday. That being said, there was also a reason why he picked TJ as the #2 over Case after the training camp. Maybe whatever edge he thought TJ had over Case, with them being "neck in neck" as he said himself, is now gone. Maybe he has a better idea after today's practice on who he's leaning towards, and I'd imagine that guy will get the majority of the reps with #1's Thursday and Friday. Just a thought.
Go back to the last preseason game, when Case missed an open K. Martin five yards downfield. I think that one play was what swayed the staff to name Yates as the backup. It was that close; Yates had been drawing on Keenum's success to keep up with him. T. J. had been playing over his head. That was the only bad play I saw Case make.

TexansSeminole
10-16-2013, 11:09 PM
I could have missed it, but I'm not aware of anyone saying he's going to jump start the offense and off we go if he could only get a chance to play. I'm hearing is folks saying give the kid a chance.

As for the Akron comment, well, if he threw for the same passing yards at Akron as he did at UH, you bet your ass the talk would be the same, which is simply to give the kid a chance.

Frankly, I don't care what his numbers were in college. I'm basing my opinion looking through Texans eyes and how he has done since he became a Texan, not as a Cougar. I loved him in college, but this ain't the NCAA. If he played for another team he I would regard him as the opponent.

I see it in a bunch of different threads. It's not hard to locate, just read around the board.

Giving the kid a chance is understandable, he played pretty well against much lower competition in the preseason. But that is only if you know what you have in Yates and I don't see that anyone could. He played a small amount of games in his rookie season. He came in last week in a terrible situation. The guy has barely even played, especially lately, but people act like they know exactly what he brings to the table, or how much he can improve (apparently not at all).

You have people on the board expecting Keenum to be a "special" player (taken from this thread) when he has literally done nothing thus far in his NFL career. He has been sitting on the practice squad for how long now? How many years have teams passed up on him to be on their roster again? It is just silly. What I see is a beat down fan base struggling to comprehend what exactly is happening to their team and throwing their last bit of hope into an unproven, undrafted hometown kid. Meanwhile, they have made a determination about Yates that is almost equally as unfounded. It is just laughably silly all around, but I guess I'm just a realist.

Brisco_County
10-16-2013, 11:12 PM
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 10m
Andre Johnson said Keenum "has an aura about him". Said he is just so excited to be out there and is having fun. #Texans

I read something by a psychologist who said that "confidence" and "positive energy" are two terms for the exact same emotion. When the players see a positive attitude or "aura" from Keenum, they are detecting his confidence. That's what they need from their quarterback -- especially right now.

Texanmike02
10-16-2013, 11:17 PM
I read something by a psychologist who said that "confidence" and "positive energy" are two terms for the exact same emotion. When the players see a positive attitude or "aura" from Keenum, they are detecting his confidence. That's what they need from their quarterback -- especially right now.

But when you're asked about a young QB it doesn't bother you that he didn't say "has command of the huddle" or "really knows the system"?

I'm just curious because everyone heard the praise and is acting like Dre made a special comment about him and I thought it was generic or maybe even "good personality".

Mike

TexansSeminole
10-16-2013, 11:27 PM
But when you're asked about a young QB it doesn't bother you that he didn't say "has command of the huddle" or "really knows the system"?

I'm just curious because everyone heard the praise and is acting like Dre made a special comment about him and I thought it was generic or maybe even "good personality".

Mike

I agree with you. It's a short answer he gave to a question. It sounds relatively meaningless to me. Had he expounded on it and actually raved about him, it would be meaningful, but he didn't.

RTP2110
10-16-2013, 11:33 PM
How many years have teams passed up on him to be on their roster again? It is just silly. What I see is a beat down fan base struggling to comprehend what exactly is happening to their team and throwing their last bit of hope into an unproven, undrafted hometown kid. Meanwhile, they have made a determination about Yates that is almost equally as unfounded. It is just laughably silly all around, but I guess I'm just a realist.

I think you're stretching things a little farther out than they really are. To the first bolded part, the answer is 1. After Keenums' solid preseason this year, he was added to the 53 man roster, because he most likely would have been signed off our practice squad this season. It's not like he's been sitting around for years and years now.

To the second bolded part, it's not about any fan's "laughably, silly" determination. The head coach is the one splitting reps, and contemplating who should start. He's the one watching them in practice everyday, not anyone on this board. Kubiak had every chance to say Yates would start in place of Schaub, and he wouldn't do it. If that doesn't give the idea of Case starting some validity, I don't know what else would.

For the record, I don't care who starts. I just feel like the Keenum hate/love is too extreme on both ends.

dalemurphy
10-16-2013, 11:53 PM
So, everyone knows that Kubes is definitely going to start Yates on Sunday, right? To start Keenum would be deviating from the plan and Kubes does not deviate from the plan. I would be stunned if Yates isn't starting on Sunday.

No, I don't think so. If that was going to happen, he would have said so in the presser. Instead, he stated, "we are going to get them both ready"... I think he was leaning towards Keenum by Monday morning... Only a bad week of practice by Keenum will put him ahead of Yates, IMO

TexansSeminole
10-16-2013, 11:54 PM
I think you're stretching things a little farther out than they really are. To the first bolded part, the answer is 1. After Keenums' solid preseason this year, he was added to the 53 man roster, because he most likely would have been signed off our practice squad this season. It's not like he's been sitting around for years and years now.

To the second bolded part, it's not about any fan's "laughably, silly" determination. The head coach is the one splitting reps, and contemplating who should start. He's the one watching them in practice everyday, not anyone on this board. Kubiak had every chance to say Yates would start in place of Schaub, and he wouldn't do it. If that doesn't give the idea of Case starting some validity, I don't know what else would.

For the record, I don't care who starts. I just feel like the Keenum hate/love is too extreme on both ends.

Why wouldn't you split the reps? I think Yates deserves a shot at a full game or two over Keenum, but he isn't exactly a proven commodity out there. He's had very little playing time at QB. That's part of my point about people making this determination that he is Schaub 2.0. That's unfounded. Someone explain to me why he doesn't deserve a full game of action? Is meaningless garbage time enough to make this decision? It seems to be for some people.

I don't think anyone hates Keenum around here. I don't see why they would, he is a University of Houston product that played well in the preseason. Having said that, there is a ton of "love" for him that doesn't stem from anything but conversation. It's not like he thoroughly outplayed Yates in the preseason, the two were pretty equal in their performances. From a statistical standpoint, Yates had a higher completion percentage and more touchdowns on fewer attempts. Yates had more yards per attempt as well.

Dishman
10-17-2013, 12:06 AM
Regardless of who he was throwing against in preseason, we saw a wicked fast throwing motion with velocity and accuracy. The "undrafted" and "he's short" critiques are not disqualifying, and are hardly valid in this situation. We shouldn't have to keep listing the QB's who have proven these critiques as not absolute.

As far as height goes, isn't Keenum a smidge taller than Brees? Keenum's height would seem to be pretty low on the list of concerns.

legacy_gt
10-17-2013, 12:06 AM
Why wouldn't you split the reps? I think Yates deserves a shot at a full game or two over Keenum, but he isn't exactly a proven commodity out there. He's had very little playing time at QB. That's part of my point about people making this determination that he is Schaub 2.0. That's unfounded. Someone explain to me why he doesn't deserve a full game of action? Is meaningless garbage time enough to make this decision? It seems to be for some people.

I don't think anyone hates Keenum around here. I don't see why they would, he is a University of Houston product that played well in the preseason. Having said that, there is a ton of "love" for him that doesn't stem from anything but conversation. It's not like he thoroughly outplayed Yates in the preseason, the two were pretty equal in their performances.

yes, yates might deserve the reps for a game but he had 2 opportunities to score and threw 2 int including a pick 6. it's been 2 years since his playoff debut and he doesn't look like he's improved based on his nfl play so far this year. his demeanor on the field also look uninspiring.

who knows what case can bring but he will bring excitement among the 3.

TejasTom
10-17-2013, 12:13 AM
The expectations for Keenum are just absolutely insane. ...

I expect him to not go in to the fetal position.
I expect him to not throw 3 INTs.
I expect him to not throw short of the sticks consistently.
I expect him to not be an albatross around the neck of this offense.

I don't expect his jersey to go to the hall of fame after this game.

I don't know if it constitutes as a spark but the voice inflection changes for some players when asked about Keenum. They also used words like, fiery & fun.

If he can muster more than 3 points a half against the Chiefs, we've got progress.

TexansSeminole
10-17-2013, 12:13 AM
yes, yates might deserve the reps for a game but he had 2 opportunities to score and threw 2 int including a pick 6. it's been 2 years since his playoff debut and he doesn't look like he's improved based on his nfl play so far this year. his demeanor on the field also look uninspiring.

who knows what case can bring but he will bring excitement among the 3.

He played in two games in which the team was completely embarrassed prior to him even walking out on the field. Everybody has poor demeanor in that situation. He hasn't even been put in a situation in which winning is a possibility. Give him a shot when the game is 0-0 and everybody is willing to give 100%. Don't judge him when we are down by 20-something points in the fourth quarter and just about everybody has "we've lost" on their mind.

It seems to me that people have been watching Matt Schaub for too long. They want a guy that is completely opposite of him and Yates isn't that, so they aren't even interested in giving him a legit chance.

ChampionTexan
10-17-2013, 12:21 AM
I'm not a coach, and I don't know how a coach prepares his team through the week. But Kubiak couldn't have been happy with what he saw out of TJ last Sunday. That being said, there was also a reason why he picked TJ as the #2 over Case after the training camp. Maybe whatever edge he thought TJ had over Case, with them being "neck in neck" as he said himself, is now gone. Maybe he has a better idea after today's practice on who he's leaning towards, and I'd imagine that guy will get the majority of the reps with #1's Thursday and Friday. Just a thought.

Going to Case to start against KC - even though he came into the season as third string - wouldn't be unprecedented in terms of recent events.

When Weeden went down in Cleveland earlier this year, Jason Campbell was #2 on the depth chart and finished the game, but Brian Hoyer (previously #3) started the next three games until he got hurt (at which time they went back to Weeden). When E.J. Manuel got hurt in game 5, Jeff Tuel - the #2 guy finished the game, but for game 6, Buffalo actually activated Thad Lewis from the practice squad, and it appears he's going to start his second game this Sunday. And while I'm reluctant to even bring this one up, I'm sure that everyone remembers when the Jets benched Mark Sanchez last season, they didn't go to the #2 guy - Tim Tebow -, they instead went straight to the #3 guy - Greg McElroy. Seems like there's another one recently that I'm missing, but the point is if the Texans ended up going from starting #1 straight to starting #3, it woudn't be the first time.

legacy_gt
10-17-2013, 12:25 AM
Everybody has poor demeanor in that situation. He hasn't even been put in a situation in which winning is a possibility. Give him a shot when the game is 0-0 and everybody is willing to give 100%..

it was the rams. his choices were bad as a backup regardless. with that said, he'll get his chance. we'll see what happens. many people think TJ didn't win the pre-season battle including me despite some better stats than Case. And I think the last time I saw TJ play in the NFL, he threw an int too.

Rey
10-17-2013, 12:37 AM
The expectations for Keenum are just absolutely insane. Dude went undrafted and made some good throws against backup/out of the league players in the preseason and people are expecting him to give the Texans a huge spark. I guarantee we wouldn't be seeing all this talk had this kid played at Akron or something. It's silly. Anyway, here's to hoping he actually can do something positive IF he even plays.

The players themselves have talked about keenums high energy. Kubiak has talked about the energy he plays with and how he has fun playing football. Tell them that if he's have gone to Akron they wouldn't feel that way.

Of course it would be a great story if the Texas kid undrafted became a star with the texans. But your assertion is a little insulting as if people are too stupid to evaluate things without letting emotions get in the way.

Exuberance alone won't mean anything. He'd have to play well. But I think your comments are a bit out of touch considering players and coaches talk about the spark he plays with.

Hottoddie
10-17-2013, 12:46 AM
I see it in a bunch of different threads. It's not hard to locate, just read around the board.

You have people on the board expecting Keenum to be a "special" player (taken from this thread) when he has literally done nothing thus far in his NFL career. He has been sitting on the practice squad for how long now? How many years have teams passed up on him to be on their roster again? It is just silly. What I see is a beat down fan base struggling to comprehend what exactly is happening to their team and throwing their last bit of hope into an unproven, undrafted hometown kid. Meanwhile, they have made a determination about Yates that is almost equally as unfounded. It is just laughably silly all around, but I guess I'm just a realist.

I think it's more like people wanting to believe he can make a difference in a season that's slipping away from us very quickly. By the way, how many actual games had Yates played prior to leading us to the playoffs for the first time?

Rey
10-17-2013, 12:48 AM
Why wouldn't you split the reps? I think Yates deserves a shot at a full game or two over Keenum, but he isn't exactly a proven commodity out there. He's had very little playing time at QB. That's part of my point about people making this determination that he is Schaub 2.0. That's unfounded. Someone explain to me why he doesn't deserve a full game of action? Is meaningless garbage time enough to make this decision? It seems to be for some people.

I don't think anyone hates Keenum around here. I don't see why they would, he is a University of Houston product that played well in the preseason. Having said that, there is a ton of "love" for him that doesn't stem from anything but conversation. It's not like he thoroughly outplayed Yates in the preseason, the two were pretty equal in their performances. From a statistical standpoint, Yates had a higher completion percentage and more touchdowns on fewer attempts. Yates had more yards per attempt as well.

Coaches don't split reps of guys they are convinced are thee starters. You want to get the guy you peg as the starter all the reps possible Yates wasn't splitting reps with delhomme and Garcia as a rookie. That's because he was seen as the unquestioned starter at that time.

You don't split reps like that if you are convinced about a guy because all you're doing is hurting his preparation. But if you think another guy could possibly start instead you split the reps because you want to give that other guy a shot and don't want to stifle his play.


As far as Yates play against the rams...I do agree that he'd likely be better, but when you are the back up qb on the team you can't come in and play that poorly. When you get your chances, you don't have to light the world on fire, but you need to seize the moment. I don't care what the situation is...if the starter goes down, and now you are the starter...that's it. Here's your shot. And as a third year player put in that situation, you need to perform better. For all he knows Schaub could come back and play and he may never get that shot again.

Like I said, I think he can play better but the situation looking gloomy or whatever is not relevant at all when you are TJ Yates and you've been given that opportunity. Lights are on dude. It's action time.

htownfan32
10-17-2013, 12:48 AM
FFS, I hope Kubiak puts Keenum out there for a few games so all this gets resolved one way or another.

legacy_gt
10-17-2013, 12:50 AM
I think it's more like people wanting to believe he can make a difference in a season that's slipping away from us very quickly. By the way, how many actual games had Yates played prior to leading us to the playoffs for the first time?

actually it's people knowing that case can play better than the $hit job that matt schaub has done. injured + terrible schaub vs case? how slow will MS be this weekend against a hungy chiefs?

MEGA SWATT
10-17-2013, 01:05 AM
if kubiak hasn't already lost the team, he will on Sunday if he goes with Yates.

NO WAY you got two of your star players talking about a guy like this, just to rip away that excitment from them.

Seriously, he will be viewed as a gutless coward too afraid to get outside of his comfort zone and take on some risk in order to reap rewards. He should take a page from Jim Harbaugh's book. Heck, A. Smith was healthy when he made that move. In this case MS is playing like crap all season and is now hurt. He knows what TJ can and can't do enough to know that he is NOT a starting caliber QB and NOT your future.

Come on Kubes.

Start CK

Brisco_County
10-17-2013, 01:21 AM
The players themselves have talked about keenums high energy. Kubiak has talked about the energy he plays with and how he has fun playing football. Tell them that if he's have gone to Akron they wouldn't feel that way.

Of course it would be a great story if the Texas kid undrafted became a star with the texans. But your assertion is a little insulting as if people are too stupid to evaluate things without letting emotions get in the way.

Exuberance alone won't mean anything. He'd have to play well. But I think your comments are a bit out of touch considering players and coaches talk about the spark he plays with.

Good post. Skepticism is always healthy, but the resistance to acknowledging Keenum's upside has become more dogmatic than fanboyism.

Vance87
10-17-2013, 01:31 AM
If it was ME - and I realize Kubiak and I aren't the same person, I would -

Start TJ Yates this Sunday, unless he just plays so awful at practice that my hand is forced. My reasoning is, I'd rather put a player out there with some NFL experience under his belt out there in the middle of Arrowhead against an unbeaten team. To throw Keenum into the ring in that situation would be to almost want him to fail. That's a tough spot for a dude who's never started an NFL game.

If Yates plays god awful, I keep the competition open, and use the extra week we get at the bye to further evaluate. If Keenum looks better than Yates in practice (or if they both practice well) I go with Case, for the SNF game against the Colts. I'd much rather his first game be at home, where the crowd is behind him.

If Keenum sucks, we can trade for James Casey, or run the wildcat with Cushing. :kitten:

MEGA SWATT
10-17-2013, 01:37 AM
If it was ME - and I realize Kubiak and I aren't the same person, I would -

Start TJ Yates this Sunday, unless he just plays so awful at practice that my hand is forced. My reasoning is, I'd rather put a player out there with some NFL experience under his belt out there in the middle of Arrowhead against an unbeaten team. To throw Keenum into the ring in that situation would be to almost want him to fail. That's a tough spot for a dude who's never started an NFL game.

If Yates plays god awful, I keep the competition open, and use the extra week we get at the bye to further evaluate. If Keenum looks better than Yates in practice (or if they both practice well) I go with Case, for the SNF game against the Colts. I'd much rather his first game be at home, where the crowd is behind him.


If Keenum sucks, we can trade for James Casey, or run the wildcat with Cushing. :kitten:


That move is so conservative and timid imo. Are you going to call for a run play on a 3rd and 20 next? Don't worry if I didn't like your idea, just keep battling and power thru it.

Vance87
10-17-2013, 01:42 AM
That move is so conservative and timid imo. Are you going to call for a run play on a 3rd and 20 next? Don't worry if I didn't like your idea, just keep battling and power thru it.

Basically, if there was a pit of hungry wolves, I'd rather throw TJ down there instead of Keenum.

MEGA SWATT
10-17-2013, 01:47 AM
Basically, if there was a pit of hungry wolves, I'd rather throw TJ down there instead of Keenum.

Wow, ok. Sorry that I can't agree on putting a turnover machine out there who overthrows on his passes, makes bad decisions and is basically a more mobile MS.

ObsiWan
10-17-2013, 01:48 AM
I think Case starts.

I think if Yates was undoubtedly going to be the starter they wouldn't even bother him sharing snaps with Case. The fact that Case is even a question at this point as a 3rd string QB means that Kubiak is giving it serious question.

I mean if Yates is truly the 2nd string QB then this is his job, no doubt about it...so why split the practice time? I think it's under more serious consideration and now other players getting behind Keenum and Yates previous play has only helped.

I actually think Kubiak is considering it. Gasp!
What next, Kubiak run a fake punt??
Oh wait, he called that too this year.
What in the name of Bizarro World is happening over there on Kirby Drive??

SchaubApologist
10-17-2013, 01:51 AM
Andre also said Schaub is "just fine" a week or two ago... It's hard to take what he says to the media seriously. Kubiak has trained him well.

Vance87
10-17-2013, 02:06 AM
Wow, ok. Sorry that I can't agree on putting a turnover machine out there who overthrows on his passes, makes bad decisions and is basically a more mobile MS.

OK. I don't think we're winning in KC regardless of who's throwing the ball for us. So I'd rather not throw Keenum out there to a team that averages 2436734 sacks a game and has the loudest outdoor stadium in the NFL.

Bulls on Parade
10-17-2013, 02:11 AM
OK. I don't think we're winning in KC regardless of who's throwing the ball for us. So I'd rather not throw Keenum out there to a team that averages 2436734 sacks a game and has the loudest outdoor stadium in the NFL.
We should run the ball 75 % of the time. Case Keenum is going to be fine. Hopefully our defense plays well and our special teams doesn't suck too bad. If the Texans get an early lead we can play our game and not worry about the crowd noise or their pass rush.

TheMatrix31
10-17-2013, 03:21 AM
Do you people think Andre Johnson or anyone else would say anything else?

They're not going to go around saying, "Eh, he sucks, but whatever man."

dream_team
10-17-2013, 03:36 AM
Some of you are reading too much into this. Teammates (at least the good ones) got each other's backs. You ask Dre about Schaub, he's going to say nothing but positives. Even last week, when Ed Reed was specifically asked about Shiloh, he said how he's the smartest guy in the backfield. Whenever he has a question, he asks Shiloh.

This isn't some secret message to Kubiak from Dre to start Case. A reporter asked Dre specifically about Case, and of course he's only going to say something positive. He can't say something like, "He ain't ready. I fear his arm is not strong enough." Teammates don't do that. In an interview, Duane was asked specifically about Derek Newton. He said he's probably the most athletic guy on the line, he later mentioned how Ryan Harris has the best hands on the line. These guys only say good stuff about their teammates.

hobie
10-17-2013, 07:46 AM
Here are TJ's first start numbers vs. Atlanta in 2011: Texans won 17-10

12-25, 48%, 188 yards, 7.5 average, 1 TD, 3 sacks for 13 yds., 2 rushes for 10 yards.

Nothing special, but I remember when he was brought in during the Jacksonville game I was thinking, 3rd string QB in, season is over. Well his numbers were not great, but he got us into the playoffs.

So now we speak about Keenum, 3rd string QB and people say he never has seen the speed of a real game, well TJ never did either when he was brought into the Jags game, and he managed. Atlanta was a good team when Yates got his first start and the Texans beat them with TJ, so why can't Keenum beat KC if he started. Nobody knows the heart of someone until they are up against something, and yes, Houston still needs to look for a QB in the draft, but until the offseason, let's give this kid a shot, can he do any worse than the 2 in front of him... can he do any better?? That is to be seen, but even if it just a placebo effect that the other 52 guys buy into, that is all that is really needed now to get this ship back on course...

GuerillaBlack
10-17-2013, 09:13 AM
Do you people think Andre Johnson or anyone else would say anything else?

They're not going to go around saying, "Eh, he sucks, but whatever man."

I don't think anyone thinks that, but he gave a little extra when talking about Case.

disaacks3
10-17-2013, 09:47 AM
If it was ME - and I realize Kubiak and I aren't the same person, I would -

Start TJ Yates this Sunday, unless he just plays so awful at practice that my hand is forced. My reasoning is, I'd rather put a player out there with some NFL experience under his belt out there in the middle of Arrowhead against an unbeaten team. To throw Keenum into the ring in that situation would be to almost want him to fail. That's a tough spot for a dude who's never started an NFL game. Unfortunately, I agree. If I'm sending a backup to the slaughter, it's going to be TJ.

We should run the ball 75 % of the time. Case Keenum is going to be fine. Hopefully our defense plays well and our special teams doesn't suck too bad. If the Texans get an early lead we can play our game and not worry about the crowd noise or their pass rush. 23rd rushing Defense, it might stand a chance. It's easier to defend the run when you don't have to fear the pass though.

Here are TJ's first start numbers vs. Atlanta in 2011: Texans won 17-10

12-25, 48%, 188 yards, 7.5 average, 1 TD, 3 sacks for 13 yds., 2 rushes for 10 yards.

Nothing special, but I remember when he was brought in during the Jacksonville game I was thinking, 3rd string QB in, season is over. Well his numbers were not great, but he got us into the playoffs. True, I was happily surprised. Unfortunately, this one is on the road at Arrowhead, not the cozy confines of Reliant. Kubiak is 2-0 vs. the Chiefs, Andy Reid is 3-0 vs. the Texans. Something has to give.

kingtexan
10-17-2013, 10:05 AM
With Gary the one thing that might convince me it was about winning and not just about him, is if he starts Case. We know Matt is done, and know what Yates is. Time to find out what the kid can do in real game situations.

SCOTTexans
10-17-2013, 11:08 AM
We should run the ball 75 % of the time. Case Keenum is going to be fine. Hopefully our defense plays well and our special teams doesn't suck too bad. If the Texans get an early lead we can play our game and not worry about the crowd noise or their pass rush.

Bolded . If i had a nickle everytime i heard that and everytime i do it always ends in a devistating loss.




True, I was happily surprised. Unfortunately, this one is on the road at Arrowhead, not the cozy confines of Reliant. Kubiak is 2-0 vs. the Chiefs, Andy Reid is 3-0 vs. the Texans. Something has to give.

Andy Reed will pick us apart with spreading the ball around and using Match-up, the ball will be out before we establish a pass rush, but hopefully there injured O-line will give us some plays



IMO that relates to the thread. Give CK a shot... Schaub's hurt and will not win us this game even if he wasn't. We know TJ Yates is not the future. It needs to be next man up if they aren't performing, not just if they are injured

Bulls on Parade
10-17-2013, 11:16 AM
We haven't had many leads this season to run the ball consistently in the second half of games. And in three of our losses, against the Rams, Seahawks and Ravens, I thought we ran the ball pretty well.

We actually had a 20-3 lead at halftime and a 6-3 lead late in the second quarter in two of those games. But a Matt Schaub pick six changed the momentum of both games.

Just playing conservatively we should have performed much better but hey, at 2-4 it's not over yet. The Colts will likely drop to 4-3 after they lose to the Broncos. If we can beat the Chiefs and head into the bye week at 3-4, we have to feel pretty good about our chances to still win the AFC South.

That would set up the big game against the Colts at Reliant Stadium on Sunday Night Football with a well rested Texans team. Win that game and the AFC South is right in front of us moving forward. I would say this team has to fight through the adversity. We are going to find out if they have the resiliency to do so. Like J.J. Watt said, no time to talk anymore. He will let his play on the field speak for itself. Every player on this team needs to have that attitude.

People act like the 6-0 Kansas City Chiefs are the greatest team on the planet and impossible to beat at Arrowhead Stadium. If the Texans play hard for 60 minutes and don't turn the ball over, I believe the Texans can come away with a season-saving win.

IlliniJen
10-17-2013, 11:26 AM
We run the ball quite nicely between the 20's. When we enter the red zone, Kubiak's Dennys menu calls for arse holes to pucker and clench, and we become team Field Goal* (*if Chubs can get the ball between the uprights).

The run game has gotten better and probably isn't an issue right now...it's the "OMG WE'RE IN THE RED ZONE" Conserviak playcalling that's killing any sort of momentum (all deference to Bill Barnwell) we have. Predictiak just starts clenching up, especially if the running game can't get it done in the RZ. Run, run, pass 5 yards behind the first down marker, bring out Chubs and pray.

Meh. This team is not only depressing, they're BORING.

dream_team
10-17-2013, 11:43 AM
We run the ball quite nicely between the 20's. When we enter the red zone, Kubiak's Dennys menu calls for arse holes to pucker and clench, and we become team Field Goal* (*if Chubs can get the ball between the uprights).

The run game has gotten better and probably isn't an issue right now...it's the "OMG WE'RE IN THE RED ZONE" Conserviak playcalling that's killing any sort of momentum (all deference to Bill Barnwell) we have. Predictiak just starts clenching up, especially if the running game can't get it done in the RZ. Run, run, pass 5 yards behind the first down marker, bring out Chubs and pray.

Meh. This team is not only depressing, they're BORING.

I agree with you that Kubiak's offense in the redzone isn't the most creative, but it is effective. It is effective as long as the team doesn't make mistakes, and the offense has been making mistakes galore! We were #8 in the league in regards to redzone/TD percentage, until the Rams game. In the Rams game we got to the redzone alot (6 times I believe), but shot ourselves in the foot in each trip.

We need to simply clean up our own mistakes and I think we'll be a good redzone team.

cuppacoffee
10-17-2013, 12:03 PM
We run the ball quite nicely between the 20's. When we enter the red zone, Kubiak's Dennys menu calls for arse holes to pucker and clench, and we become team Field Goal* (*if Chubs can get the ball between the uprights).

The run game has gotten better and probably isn't an issue right now...it's the "OMG WE'RE IN THE RED ZONE" Conserviak playcalling that's killing any sort of momentum (all deference to Bill Barnwell) we have. Predictiak just starts clenching up, especially if the running game can't get it done in the RZ. Run, run, pass 5 yards behind the first down marker, bring out Chubs and pray.

Meh. This team is not only depressing, they're BORING.



Sums it up nicely for me too.

Watching the Texans in the red zone is like watching a re-run of Titanic, you know how it's going to turn out. No happy ending.

Hopefully Keenum's mobility will improve our red zone efficiency.

IF he gets into the game.

:coffee: