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Mr teX
10-16-2013, 01:02 PM
simple question... b/c at this point its a matter of "if" but "when".

Is it something as simple as just not turning the ball over or making plays?

Or is it specific like a certain stat line or a stat line in conjunction with a few other things?

I kind have mixed feelings about this. I think i'd need to see a combination of great stats and...how kubiak handles him....how he plays when the bright lights are on etc...

BullNation4Life
10-16-2013, 01:17 PM
simple question... b/c at this point its a matter of "when" not "if".

Is it something as simple as just not turning the ball over or making plays?

Or is it specific like a certain stat line or a stat line in conjunction with a few other things?

I kind have mixed feelings about this. I think i'd need to see a combination of great stats and...how kubiak handles him....how he plays when the bright lights are on etc...

All Keenum has to do is the exact opposite of what Schaub is doing now and I would be satisfied and the Texans would be winning...

HOU-TEX
10-16-2013, 01:19 PM
Apparently....nothing

PapaL
10-16-2013, 01:20 PM
Make a few threads about being given a chance.

Mr teX
10-16-2013, 01:22 PM
All Keenum has to do is the exact opposite of what Schaub is doing now and I would be satisfied and the Texans would be winning...

Blown out in 3 of the last 4 games....you think starting case is gonna fix all those problems that contributed to that?

Carr Bombed
10-16-2013, 01:27 PM
Just maximize and seize his opportunity when it comes. And I don't care about pretty stats (just wins), just don't make the "shoots self in foot" plays the other two have made. Also I would actually like to see some on the field vocal leadership which has never been a strong quality of Schaub or Yates. Basically I'd just like to see he can run this offense and display some moxie/energy while doing so.

Mr teX
10-16-2013, 01:30 PM
Just maximize and seize his opportunity when it comes. And I don't care about pretty stats (just wins), just don't make the "shoots self in foot" plays the other two have made. Also I would actually like to see some on the field vocal leadership which has never been a strong quality of Schaub or Yates. Basically I'd just like to see he can run this offense and display some moxie/energy while doing so.

but what if he does all that, but we still don't win?.....not blowout losses like we've seen lately, but close losses.

Would you still feel like we should continue to develop this kid & he be brought in as the incumbent next year or bring in a 1st rounder to compete with him?

DexmanC
10-16-2013, 01:31 PM
I don't know why the NFL is sleeping on Keenum. The U of H program didn't win any games against big teams under Kolb. Keenum was the QB that brought wins against big schools to U of H. From what I've seen, the kat makes quick decisions, and gets the ball out. When the defense breaks past the o-line, which happened dang near every pass play when Keenum was in college, he had enough quickness, pocket awareness ,and speed to make a positive play. U of H couldn't stop anybody worth a damn, but under Keenum, they put up points on EVERYBODY.

Schaub and Yates can't do that.

2012Champs
10-16-2013, 01:35 PM
What Id like to know is if he starts what would have to happen for the Case crew to fold and say he cant play. I imagine if he gets game time any bad play will be explained away for a million reasons other than Case being Case

GuerillaBlack
10-16-2013, 01:36 PM
I don't know why the NFL is sleeping on Keenum. The U of H program didn't win any games against big teams under Kolb. Keenum was the QB that brought wins against big schools to U of H. From what I've seen, the kat makes quick decisions, and gets the ball out. When the defense breaks past the o-line, which happened dang near every pass play when Keenum was in college, he had enough quickness, pocket awareness ,and speed to make a positive play. U of H couldn't stop anybody worth a damn, but under Keenum, they put up points on EVERYBODY.

Schaub and Yates can't do that.

They are all sleeping on him. Like Jon Gruden said, he will make coaches sorry that he didn't pick him.

What Id like to know is if he starts what would have to happen for the Case crew to fold and say he cant play. I imagine if he gets game time any bad play will be explained away for a million reasons other than Case being Case

He'll be alright. Just be back here to eat your crow.

thunderkyss
10-16-2013, 01:38 PM
I don't know why the NFL is sleeping on Keenum. The U of H program didn't win any games against big teams under Kolb.

I'm hoping they're afraid he's just a system QB & think he's going to flash from time to time, but fail like Kolb did.

I'm hoping they're wrong, because it fuels that belief that we may very well have a franchise QB on the roster.

b0ng
10-16-2013, 01:45 PM
To prove that he's the guy going forward? Like next franchise QB guy, or stopgap guy? If we are talking the former then we are looking for a player that makes you go "wow" with his plays. Not just manages the games but makes plays. Down the field. Cool under pressure, accurate as hell, has escapability, and is smart with where he goes with the football.

For stopgap the criteria is much much easier. Just don't **** things up too badly.

Mr teX
10-16-2013, 01:46 PM
I don't know why the NFL is sleeping on Keenum. The U of H program didn't win any games against big teams under Kolb. Keenum was the QB that brought wins against big schools to U of H. From what I've seen, the kat makes quick decisions, and gets the ball out. When the defense breaks past the o-line, which happened dang near every pass play when Keenum was in college, he had enough quickness, pocket awareness ,and speed to make a positive play. U of H couldn't stop anybody worth a damn, but under Keenum, they put up points on EVERYBODY.

Schaub and Yates can't do that.

That's not true at all. Kolb led U of H to a few big wins. He also led U of H to a conference championship (something Keenum did not do although he had the chance to his last year there Until Southern Miss sat on them in the championship game) The coogs in his era also put up points on everyone too...that's the benefits of running spread systems. Both guys beat Ok. State when they were ranked. I don't recall either guy beating any other major ranked teams.

Carr Bombed
10-16-2013, 01:47 PM
What Id like to know is if he starts what would have to happen for the Case crew to fold and say he cant play. I imagine if he gets game time any bad play will be explained away for a million reasons other than Case being Case

You mean like you do for Schaub?

What's with the hate anyways? I mean what makes you a member of the "Case crew"? Im not even a UofH fan, but I do want to see him get a shot. You act like we're putting Tom Brady or Brees on the bench to see him play or something. Newsflash, the crappy play of Schaub and Yates is the only reason why this is even a realistic discussion so if you want to blame someone for the "Case crew", blame them

EllisUnit
10-16-2013, 01:51 PM
I want to see fire, the will to win ! On 3rd and 4 he sees nothing there and he tries to run for it. Or when we're down by 10 in the 4th i want to see a confident QB who is trying to rally the troops on the sideline. Good thing for us is keenum has that desire to win and that fire in him. Noone knows if he can be a franchise QB but he has the will to win and skill set to do it, no better time than now to find out IMO.

Thorn
10-16-2013, 01:52 PM
Unless Keenum comes in and throws for a jillion yards and TDs, you probably won't know if he's starter material after just one game anyway. And if he does come in, he'll be running Kubiaks ultra-conservative game plan. So if Keenum does come in, he just needs to NOT make mistakes and NOT continually throw behind the receivers.

otisbean
10-16-2013, 01:54 PM
Lead touchdown drives, plain and simple. Some guys just have it, they're not always pretty just effective.

Mr teX
10-16-2013, 01:59 PM
To prove that he's the guy going forward? Like next franchise QB guy, or stopgap guy? If we are talking the former then we are looking for a player that makes you go "wow" with his plays. Not just manages the games but makes plays. Down the field. Cool under pressure, accurate as hell, has escapability, and is smart with where he goes with the football.

For stopgap the criteria is much much easier. Just don't **** things up too badly.

we could find a stop gap guy in FA..they're all over the place. People seem to think he can be a franchise guy here...especially running Kubiak's qb friendly system. So i guess i meant more in that aspect.

infantrycak
10-16-2013, 02:01 PM
Let's say he finishes out the season. Would you be happy with the stats of another QB who started in his 2nd year?

W/L 50%, 60.8 % comp., 1:1 TD:INT, 6.2 ypa, 205 ypg, 76.9 QB rating.

Would that be good enough for you to anoint him for next year or would you still be looking for a new starter?

Thorn
10-16-2013, 02:04 PM
Let's say he finishes out the season. Would you be happy with the stats of another QB who started in his 2nd year?

W/L 50%, 60.8 % comp., 1:1 TD:INT, 6.2 ypa, 205 ypg, 76.9 QB rating.

Would that be good enough for you to anoint him for next year or would you still be looking for a new starter?

This is a trick question, isn't it? I'm not playing because I know you've got something up your sleeve. LOL

HTown2ATX
10-16-2013, 02:05 PM
It will be obvious whether Keenum is doing well or not regardless of wins and losses. Can't hold him accountable for drops, bad defense, bad o-line etc.

It will be obvious if he is making quick and anywhere near correct decisions.

So I don't need tons of stats necessarily. Just mostly clean games, with deeper throws, not going fetal in the pocket and keeping drives alive.

Keenum needs to be given the same chance any first year starter would with enough rope to hang himself should that be the case. I can already sense the knee jerk people out there just frothing at the mouth for that first pick to scream SEE! SEE! I TOLD YOU SO!! :gun:

fap fap fap

2slik4u
10-16-2013, 02:07 PM
simple question... b/c at this point its a matter of "when" not "if".

Is it something as simple as just not turning the ball over or making plays?

Or is it specific like a certain stat line or a stat line in conjunction with a few other things?

I kind have mixed feelings about this. I think i'd need to see a combination of great stats and...how kubiak handles him....how he plays when the bright lights are on etc...

I would say deliver a "W" against the Chiefs...or any team for that matter.

Exascor
10-16-2013, 02:11 PM
Let's say he finishes out the season. Would you be happy with the stats of another QB who started in his 2nd year?

W/L 50%, 60.8 % comp., 1:1 TD:INT, 6.2 ypa, 205 ypg, 76.9 QB rating.

Would that be good enough for you to anoint him for next year or would you still be looking for a new starter?

I'm not sure who's stats those are cak but I'd be looking for a new qb. If he doesn't light it up, it will be tough for me to want to risk him not improving. If our first round pick qb had those stats it would be different IMO.

2012Champs
10-16-2013, 02:12 PM
You mean like you do for Schaub?

What's with the hate anyways? I mean what makes you a member of the "Case crew"? Im not even a UofH fan, but I do want to see him get a shot. You act like we're putting Tom Brady or Brees on the bench to see him play or something. Newsflash, the crappy play of Schaub and Yates is the only reason why this is even a realistic discussion so if you want to blame someone for the "Case crew", blame them




I dont blame gary for Matt's ill performance.


The hate? Its more like the reality check. If Case comes in and wins out there would be no one happier than myself because whoever suits up for the Texans I will be pulling for. The amount of love and froth around Case is well beyond what he deserves

JCTexan
10-16-2013, 02:12 PM
The answer for me is quite simple. For me to think he is the starter beyond this year he has to do the basic things you look for in a QB: Hit his receivers in stride, get rid of the ball quick, stand in the pocket under pressure and be able to take a hit, be able to read defenses effectively, etc..

Mr teX
10-16-2013, 02:13 PM
I would say deliver a "W" against the Chiefs...or any team for that matter.

Lol, 1 win and you'd go all in? wow...

Sigma
10-16-2013, 02:16 PM
If I'll enjoy watching the games I won't complain.

I don't complain much even now, but I'm starting to lose excitement waiting for the "next game".

76Texan
10-16-2013, 02:16 PM
Keenum doesn't have anything to prove to me, except to keep working harder to evolve with the pro game.

The only thing that can keep him back is injury.

I applaud Art Briles for seeing the kid as a sophomore from a small high school with all the natural ability for the QB position.
Making other players around him better is what Keenum does.

http://www.texasmonthly.com/story/case-keenum

That is exactly what I want from my QB.

Rey
10-16-2013, 02:40 PM
What keenum will have to do in order for me to not want a first round qb is have 1 or 2 games where he's just excellent.

I'm excited about keenum and I think he can take the job, but if he doesn't do something to make me believe he's a franchise guy, there's no way I'd pass on taking a qb this year.

eriadoc
10-16-2013, 02:43 PM
He doesn't have to blaze a trail in the first game, that's for sure. I want to see him competently manage games and move the ball down the field. I want to see him keep the mistakes to a minimum, and keep them from happening at critical moments. In other words, I want to see him answer the challenge of the big moments. If he plays well enough to continue starting, I want to see him make plays to win. I want to see him move in the pocket well enough so that a play isn't forfeit the moment a pass rusher beats his man. I want to see him throw the ball down the field, instead of constantly checking down and throwing underneath. This offense is a short passing offense much of the time, but we've all seen the vertical game disappear completely this season. I want that to change.

Not all of that has to happen in the first game. But if he plays well enough to continue starting, I expect him to have proven he belongs by year end. I don't care about stats. I'm tired of looking at Schaub's 250+ yards a game and knowing he's played like crap.

kingtexan
10-16-2013, 02:46 PM
If he gets his chance, I think he will convince us all.

Rey
10-16-2013, 02:50 PM
Let's say he finishes out the season. Would you be happy with the stats of another QB who started in his 2nd year?

W/L 50%, 60.8 % comp., 1:1 TD:INT, 6.2 ypa, 205 ypg, 76.9 QB rating.

Would that be good enough for you to anoint him for next year or would you still be looking for a new starter?

Depends on how he looked doing it. If he had that Stat line but made some great throws, made some clutch plays....visually passed the eye test, then absolutely.

Coversely, he could put up stats that would extrapolate to 4000 yards and if he looked like ho-hum Harry doing it, I'd be looking for a franchise guy in the draft.

GuerillaBlack
10-16-2013, 03:03 PM
Depends on how he looked doing it. If he had that Stat line but made some great throws, made some clutch plays....visually passed the eye test, then absolutely.

Coversely, he could put up stats that would extrapolate to 4000 yards and if he looked like ho-hum Harry doing it, I'd be looking for a franchise guy in the draft.

You should know that stats are on the only thing that matters.

BullNation4Life
10-16-2013, 03:06 PM
Blown out in 3 of the last 4 games....you think starting case is gonna fix all those problems that contributed to that?

If he is sustaining drives and not going 3 and out every possession, keeping the other offense on the sideline, sure it would help. I watched Rivers do it to the Colts just the other night.

If Keenum can keep drives going, either with his arm or legs, then I think the Texans will start playing a hell of allot better on defense.

2slik4u
10-16-2013, 03:07 PM
Lol, 1 win and you'd go all in? wow...

Man, at this point - yes.

I'm in dire straits as a Texan fan currently.

Stemp
10-16-2013, 03:17 PM
Beat Denver or go score for score and win @indy and ill jump on the wagon

Mr teX
10-16-2013, 03:47 PM
You should know that stats are on the only thing that matters.

You'll notice i said stats in combination with something else. In any event if he plays well, the numbers will be there. Saying you'd just want him to "win games" or "make plays" on their own doesnt say much about his play in particular. Tim Tebow won games and made plays when he had to.......but i think people who watched him knew he was terrible and the stats bore that out.

Double Barrel
10-16-2013, 03:52 PM
What Id like to know is if he starts what would have to happen for the Case crew to fold and say he cant play. I imagine if he gets game time any bad play will be explained away for a million reasons other than Case being Case

Kubiak will get blamed if Keenum does not live up to expectations.

Nevermind the fact that Kubiak is the only coach in the NFL to give him a chance.

Let's say he finishes out the season. Would you be happy with the stats of another QB who started in his 2nd year?

W/L 50%, 60.8 % comp., 1:1 TD:INT, 6.2 ypa, 205 ypg, 76.9 QB rating.

Would that be good enough for you to anoint him for next year or would you still be looking for a new starter?

They have to keep looking for a starter, IMO. The only way to know that Keenum is "The Man" is if he steps up and does more than just manage games. He's going to have to exceed expectations and do 'magic' things for this team, like inspire them to greatness and climb out of the hole they have dug for themselves this season.

If he comes in and is just better than Schaub and Yates, I think the franchise needs to keep looking, if for nothing else to challenge the position in the off-season and give some competition for the job.

As a Texans fan, I hope he does it with all my heart and soul. I sincerely wish he takes this team to the playoffs this year, even if it means saving Kubiak's job.

That said, hope and reality are often at odds. Battle between the heart and mind sort of thing. I hope for the best, but I'm prepared to see a 3rd string QB with no experience get baptized by fire in one of the toughest stadiums in the NFL (should he get the start). It could get ugly. Fast.

michaelm
10-16-2013, 05:08 PM
What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?

Out of the three QBs on our roster, he basically only needs to NOT be Schaub or Yates.
Looks like he's got that covered, so I'm convinced that he's the guy going forward (out of our current three).

Kaiser Toro
10-16-2013, 05:50 PM
Kubiak will get blamed if Keenum does not live up to expectations.

Nevermind the fact that Kubiak is the only coach in the NFL to give him a chance.


I can only speak for myself, but the reason why I want to see Case is two fold:
- he may be able to provide a spark and make the other 52 believe again
- or to put the spotlight back on Kubiak due to his archaic scheme and the notion that he is a developer of QBs

For me it has never been about Case, it is about Kubiak.

infantrycak
10-16-2013, 05:52 PM
You'll notice i said stats in combination with something else.

Exactly, it isn't just stats alone. But that goes two ways, it isn't eyeball alone either. Often times people perceive something because their eyeballs or their brains are ignoring things (or they have an agenda skewing their eyes). Stats can point to what the eye is missing like being hyped on some long throws and not remembering all the INTs.

For those who hadn't guessed, the stats are for Drew Brees.

thunderkyss
10-16-2013, 07:03 PM
If he is sustaining drives and not going 3 and out every possession, keeping the other offense on the sideline, sure it would help. I watched Rivers do it to the Colts just the other night.

If Keenum can keep drives going, either with his arm or legs, then I think the Texans will start playing a hell of allot better on defense.

With the gimp that is Matt Schaub, we lead the league in T.o.P. (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2013&seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&d-447263-s=TIME_OF_POSS_SECONDS_PER_GAME_AVG)

We're third in 1st downs (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2013&seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&d-447263-s=FIRST_DOWNS_GAME_AVG) per game behind Denver & San Diego.

How much better do you expect it to get with Keenum?

drs23
10-16-2013, 07:20 PM
Keenum doesn't have anything to prove to me, except to keep working harder to evolve with the pro game.

The only thing that can keep him back is injury.

I applaud Art Briles for seeing the kid as a sophomore from a small high school with all the natural ability for the QB position.
Making other players around him better is what Keenum does.

http://www.texasmonthly.com/story/case-keenum

That is exactly what I want from my QB.

What did Broyles mean by this:

“He’s certainly lived up to all of his expectations, without a doubt,” Briles said. “But I don’t think that he’s exceeded any, because I always thought he was one of those guys that was going to be a really talented football player.”

drs23
10-16-2013, 07:21 PM
duplicate

santo
10-16-2013, 07:32 PM
What did Broyles mean by this:


I think he meant that he was not surprised by Keenum's success in college.

b0ng
10-16-2013, 07:47 PM
Let's say he finishes out the season. Would you be happy with the stats of another QB who started in his 2nd year?

W/L 50%, 60.8 % comp., 1:1 TD:INT, 6.2 ypa, 205 ypg, 76.9 QB rating.

Would that be good enough for you to anoint him for next year or would you still be looking for a new starter?

Pass. Schaub did better than that barring this seasons stats. I know who's statline that is though.

Carr Bombed
10-16-2013, 08:12 PM
Kubiak will get blamed if Keenum does not live up to expectations.

Nevermind the fact that Kubiak is the only coach in the NFL to give him a chance.

To be fair to Case, I think if Kubiak didn't bring him in, he still would've got a invite to someone else's camp. Just because he was undrafted doesn't mean he wouldn't of got a opportunity in the NFL somewhere else if Houston didn't bring him in, so Kubiak is more like the first coach to give him a chance.

He's maximized his opportunity and went from basically just a camp arm, to earning his way onto the practice squad, to then earning a roster spot. He was given a chance here, but he's earned everything else that's happened since and the fact that we're even talking about him possibly starting at some point this season is quite a achievement for a UDFA QB. Just to get to this point he's already beaten incredible odds.. hopefully he keeps beating them.

Nitrofish
10-16-2013, 10:46 PM
It will be obvious whether Keenum is doing well or not regardless of wins and losses. Can't hold him accountable for drops, bad defense, bad o-line etc.

It will be obvious if he is making quick and anywhere near correct decisions.

So I don't need tons of stats necessarily. Just mostly clean games, with deeper throws, not going fetal in the pocket and keeping drives alive.

Keenum needs to be given the same chance any first year starter would with enough rope to hang himself should that be the case. I can already sense the knee jerk people out there just frothing at the mouth for that first pick to scream SEE! SEE! I TOLD YOU SO!! :gun:

fap fap fap

Why can't you hold him responsible for those things? Why does he get a pass? If you hold Schaub responsible for those things, you hold Keenum responsible for them too.

I dont blame gary for Matt's ill performance.


The hate? Its more like the reality check. If Case comes in and wins out there would be no one happier than myself because whoever suits up for the Texans I will be pulling for. The amount of love and froth around Case is well beyond what he deserves

This is more or less how I feel. And yea there is allot on fan boy Keenum stuff going on for sure.

What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?

Out of the three QBs on our roster, he basically only needs to NOT be Schaub or Yates.
Looks like he's got that covered, so I'm convinced that he's the guy going forward (out of our current three).

lol, is this a serious post?

To be fair to Case, I think if Kubiak didn't bring him in, he still would've got a invite to someone else's camp. Just because he was undrafted doesn't mean he wouldn't of got a opportunity in the NFL somewhere else if Houston didn't bring him in, so Kubiak is more like the first coach to give him a chance.

He's maximized his opportunity and went from basically just a camp arm, to earning his way onto the practice squad, to then earning a roster spot. He was given a chance here, but he's earned everything else that's happened since and the fact that we're even talking about him possibly starting at some point this season is quite a achievement for a UDFA QB. Just to get to this point he's already beaten incredible odds.. hopefully he keeps beating them.

Wait, you guys have gone on and on about how Gary is too loyal, and in the good ol' boy network, then you say Case earned his spot? Can't have it both ways. He is only here because he is the hometown boy just like Kubiak, and it does not mean he would have gotten a chance anywhere else either. Just more hope and wishful thinking I suspect.

For me he needs to Exceed expectations, and not these "We can't hold him accountable for this ir that type expectations. Some of you are portraying this kid as the next coming of Drew Brees so he would need to live up to that kind of play in my mind. Make the magic happen game in and game out and I am on board.

chicagotexan2
10-16-2013, 11:06 PM
Why can't you hold him responsible for those things? Why does he get a pass? If you hold Schaub responsible for those things, you hold Keenum responsible for them too.



This is more or less how I feel. And yea there is allot on fan boy Keenum stuff going on for sure.



lol, is this a serious post?



Wait, you guys have gone on and on about how Gary is too loyal, and in the good ol' boy network, then you say Case earned his spot? Can't have it both ways. He is only here because he is the hometown boy just like Kubiak, and it does not mean he would have gotten a chance anywhere else either. Just more hope and wishful thinking I suspect.

For me he needs to Exceed expectations, and not these "We can't hold him accountable for this ir that type expectations. Some of you are portraying this kid as the next coming of Drew Brees so he would need to live up to that kind of play in my mind. Make the magic happen game in and game out and I am on board.


If this asinine assertion about hometown boy was valid then Vince young would be playing here since he WAS a far more accomplished QB.


The only expectations I have of keenum is to not the lousy eff up QB Schaub has become. Asking him to not be as bad as Schaub is not exactly shooting for the stars.

legacy_gt
10-16-2013, 11:14 PM
Some of you are portraying this kid as the next coming of Drew Brees so he would need to live up to that kind of play in my mind. Make the magic happen game in and game out and I am on board.

yeah right, which keenum fan has said he's the next drew brees?

look at schaub's play the last 4 games, and Tj Yates, if Keenum can do better than that and put the fight against the best D in football, Im hopeful of the kid's future.

chicagotexan2
10-16-2013, 11:24 PM
yeah right, which keenum fan has said he's the next drew brees?

look at schaub's play the last 4 games, and Tj Yates, if Keenum can do better than that and put the fight against the best D in football, Im hopeful of the kid's future.

If keenum can manage to not throw a pick six and not go down at the site of an oncoming defender faster than a cheap hooker or manage to not wilt or retreat like matt schmuck when flushed out of the pocket then he's ahead of the game.

legacy_gt
10-16-2013, 11:28 PM
If keenum can manage to not throw a pick six and not go down at the site of an oncoming defender faster than a cheap hooker or manage to not wilt or retreat like matt schmuck when flushed out of the pocket then he's ahead of the game.

I agree lol

Brisco_County
10-16-2013, 11:31 PM
Touched up the one I made last night. Trying to keep it under 30k.

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a549/Brandon_Boyle/Case-Keenum-Herlihy-Boy3_zpsb4b69d83.jpg

Carr Bombed
10-16-2013, 11:45 PM
Wait, you guys have gone on and on about how Gary is too loyal, and in the good ol' boy network, then you say Case earned his spot? Can't have it both ways. He is only here because he is the hometown boy just like Kubiak, and it does not mean he would have gotten a chance anywhere else either. Just more hope and wishful thinking I suspect.

LOL, what are you talking about now..

Case was basically brought in as a UDFA flier/camp arm... that's not exactly just keeping him here, because he's a hometown boy

and Sorry, it's not really "wishful thinking or hoping" to assume another team would of took a flier on him if we didn't when plenty of "system QBs who had high production in college" (which is what Keenum was pegged as) get shots ALL THE TIME to participate in NFL camps and gasp.. some even make the rosters

Colt Brennan
Chase Daniel
Kellen Moore
Graham Herrell
(should I continue)

:rolleyes: yeah, I'm really stepping out on a ledge to assume that another team would of signed him as a UDFA and brought him in to their camp his rookie season. Hell if Stephen "Fing" McGee could of hung around as long as he did and get picked up by multiple teams.. a team would've taken a flier on Case Keenum. Just because he was undrafted does not mean Kubiak was his only shot to get a try out... and he did earn every opportunity he's been given here. All we did was give him a invite.. he then earned his way to the practice squad, then in his second season he made so much improvement he made it impossible for the Texans to risk sneaking him through waivers and EARNED a roster spot.. but I guess that's because he's just a hometown boy right?


P.S.

I'm really getting sick of people acting like there's some cult following of Case here. To a certain extent I'm sure there's UofH fans rooting for him. I'm not a UofH fan. I'm a Texan fan who's watched option A and B play like absolute hammered dog crap. Especially option B, who's completely healthy.. at least option A has a probable chronic injury to blame his diminished skills on. (Diminished skills.. as in won't return to form)

It seems like every time anybody even mentions Case you get your undies in a bundle, because your precious Schaub is threatened. Case may not be the answer and right now nobody knows if he is or isn't, but I do know that Schaub and Yates are NOT and never will be. Yates is a fringe career backup and Schaub is a 32 yo QB, who's body is much older than his actual age due to injuries and his already lack of athleticism. His best days are clearly behind him. So yes, I want to see Case get a shot and if that doesn't work out, then the future answer is NOT on this roster.. draft a QB high in next years draft

legacy_gt
10-16-2013, 11:46 PM
after getting the news that keenum would be 3rd.

“I wouldn’t say I’m disappointed. I’d say I’m never really content with where I’m at, Keenum said. “I’m always striving to be better, to keep getting ahead.”

Keenum, the former University of Houston quarterback, said that being a backup quarterback in this league is a great challenge.

“I want to do whatever is best for this team,” Keenum said. “I know my role now. You have to be ready to go when your name’s called so you’re still preparing like a starter, so I’m preparing like I’m going to start this week.”


you'll get your shot keenum. showtime is near.

SAMURAITEXAN
10-17-2013, 03:22 AM
I would like Case to show what mobile QB can be an asset to our O with never give up attitude.

TejasTom
10-17-2013, 07:35 AM
... I'm a Texan fan who's watched option A and B play like absolute hammered dog crap. Especially option B, who's completely healthy.. at least option A has a probable chronic injury to blame his diminished skills on. (Diminished skills.. as in won't return to form)...

Understatement of the year candidate.

deucetx
10-17-2013, 07:53 AM
For me it will be touchdowns. Lead some touchdown scoring drives. I have had my fill of stats from this position. I want some results that matter which would be actually touchdowns, not a ton of fieldgoals (if Bullock even makes the damn thing). I want to see someone that command the offense and seeks to make a play even if things go off script.

But in the end it all comes down to some touchdowns because these stretches of going 4+ quarters without a score are getting a bit on the ridiculous side.

silvrhand
10-17-2013, 08:00 AM
LOL, what are you talking about now..

Case was basically brought in as a UDFA flier/camp arm... that's not exactly just keeping him here, because he's a hometown boy

and Sorry, it's not really "wishful thinking or hoping" to assume another team would of took a flier on him if we didn't when plenty of "system QBs who had high production in college" (which is what Keenum was pegged as) get shots ALL THE TIME to participate in NFL camps and gasp.. some even make the rosters

Colt Brennan
Chase Daniel
Kellen Moore
Graham Herrell
(should I continue)

:rolleyes: yeah, I'm really stepping out on a ledge to assume that another team would of signed him as a UDFA and brought him in to their camp his rookie season. Hell if Stephen "Fing" McGee could of hung around as long as he did and get picked up by multiple teams.. a team would've taken a flier on Case Keenum. Just because he was undrafted does not mean Kubiak was his only shot to get a try out... and he did earn every opportunity he's been given here. All we did was give him a invite.. he then earned his way to the practice squad, then in his second season he made so much improvement he made it impossible for the Texans to risk sneaking him through waivers and EARNED a roster spot.. but I guess that's because he's just a hometown boy right?


P.S.

I'm really getting sick of people acting like there's some cult following of Case here. To a certain extent I'm sure there's UofH fans rooting for him. I'm not a UofH fan. I'm a Texan fan who's watched option A and B play like absolute hammered dog crap. Especially option B, who's completely healthy.. at least option A has a probable chronic injury to blame his diminished skills on. (Diminished skills.. as in won't return to form)

It seems like every time anybody even mentions Case you get your undies in a bundle, because your precious Schaub is threatened. Case may not be the answer and right now nobody knows if he is or isn't, but I do know that Schaub and Yates are NOT and never will be. Yates is a fringe career backup and Schaub is a 32 yo QB, who's body is much older than his actual age due to injuries and his already lack of athleticism. His best days are clearly behind him. So yes, I want to see Case get a shot and if that doesn't work out, then the future answer is NOT on this roster.. draft a QB high in next years draft

http://static3.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/jimmies+have+been+rustled+this+day.+lol+at+all+of+ _42e19d9471f8e9e66d6fe7636d866995.jpg

TexansBull
10-17-2013, 08:08 AM
Throw a pass downfield 30-40 yds and hit the receiver in stride without the receiver having to adjust his direction or come back 10 yds to catch. I think I saw Keenum hit a receiver in stride in preseason but can't remember?

Is Keenum's arm suspect? I have heard people argue it. Feel free to post a video if you have it.

I have heard of qbs hitting receivers in stride but based off what we have seen the past few years I thought it was like a unicorn type of thing.

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eriadoc
10-17-2013, 09:38 AM
I think I saw Keenum hit a receiver in stride in preseason but can't remember?

LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4LpCbVTp-g)

0:55 mark, and turn down the music if you don't want your ears to bleed. Keenum actually made Jean look like a competent receiver in the preseason.

Carr Bombed
10-17-2013, 11:07 AM
http://static3.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/jimmies+have+been+rustled+this+day.+lol+at+all+of+ _42e19d9471f8e9e66d6fe7636d866995.jpg

LOL, yeah I'm getting that way..

Look, Keenum may or may not be "the guy", oddd are stacked against him that he will, but nobody will know one way or the other until he gets his chance. Im just tired of people acting like it's impossible that he can be or acting like he hasn't earned a look.. especially when you have hot garbage currently playing in front of him. Like I said before, it's not like we're bypassing Brady or Brees in order to see what he can do. We're bypassing a QB who's breaking down in Schaub and T.J. Yates.

Double Barrel
10-17-2013, 11:57 AM
To be fair to Case, I think if Kubiak didn't bring him in, he still would've got a invite to someone else's camp. Just because he was undrafted doesn't mean he wouldn't of got a opportunity in the NFL somewhere else if Houston didn't bring him in, so Kubiak is more like the first coach to give him a chance.


Keenum also sat on the Texans practice squad last year without any team showing any interest at all in him. Kubiak is the first and only coach that has given this player any love in any sense. That's not a bad thing, but it's not really debatable. It just it what is is.

I would like to think that Keenum could end up being Kubiak's savior, simply because that would mean that Case did something special for this franchise.

I'm not trying to disrespect the kid, but let's be pragmatic about it. I do not recall any UDFA 3rd string QB being in high demand at any point in NFL history. That being said, this does not mean that he cannot play pro ball. Only time will tell on that part.

Mr teX
10-17-2013, 12:29 PM
Keenum also sat on the Texans practice squad last year without any team showing any interest at all in him. Kubiak is the first and only coach that has given this player any love in any sense. That's not a bad thing, but it's not really debatable. It just it what is is.

I would like to think that Keenum could end up being Kubiak's savior, simply because that would mean that Case did something special for this franchise.

I'm not trying to disrespect the kid, but let's be pragmatic about it. I do not recall any UDFA 3rd string QB being in high demand at any point in NFL history. That being said, this does not mean that he cannot play pro ball. Only time will tell on that part.

Romo is the only one i believe...

Vance87
10-17-2013, 12:31 PM
I don't think he could do anything in one game that would convince me he's the guy. You have to see him over the course of the season.

silvrhand
10-17-2013, 12:38 PM
LOL, yeah I'm getting that way..

Look, Keenum may or may not be "the guy", oddd are stacked against him that he will, but nobody will know one way or the other until he gets his chance. Im just tired of people acting like it's impossible that he can be or acting like he hasn't earned a look.. especially when you have hot garbage currently playing in front of him. Like I said before, it's not like we're bypassing Brady or Brees in order to see what he can do. We're bypassing a QB who's breaking down in Schaub and T.J. Yates.

Fair enough view, I'm of the opinion Kubiak should have enough experience to know Schaub has issues, and started the search for better talent to pressure him in minicamp. But apparently this isn't the case.

It won't matter much who we put if we lose to the chiefs unless everyone else goes on a losing streak.

beerlover
10-17-2013, 12:38 PM
How about just win the damn game!

CloakNNNdagger
10-17-2013, 12:39 PM
A volunteering of much more praise than would be expected with a ho hum talent.


“When we first got him, he wasn’t taking snaps from center very well,” Dennison said. “Underneath center, he’s done a lot of that and obviously understanding the system, but he’s a bright kid who works very, very hard.”

All-Pro left tackle Duane Brown, who describes Keenum as "a very fiery guy," agrees.

“He’s come a long way, a long way," Brown said. "We all knew about his collegiate career and all of the great things he did. He got here and it was a little rough for him, just trying to learn the playbook and getting used to the NFL game. But in a year’s time, it’s made a huge difference. He’s out there and he looks like a pretty good quarterback. He makes some big-time throws out there. Besides that, I really like his demeanor and personality."

Matt Schaub, who suffered an injury in the Texans’ 38-13 loss to St. Louis, credits Keenum for grasping an offensive scheme competely different from the one he ran in his collegiate career.

"Case, coming from his past where it was at U of H and the type of offense that they ran and coming into our system and trying to almost do a 180 on how to operate at his position in our scheme," Schaub said. "He’s just come such a long way, understanding the run game, understanding the pass concepts, our play-action. It’s just so different from his past. He has a huge football IQ and he can make all of the throws. You have those two things and you give him a playbook and he can go out and do it.”

Schaub could return for Sunday’s game at Arrowhead Stadium. If not, either Yates or Keenum will be the starting quarterback in Week 7. Should Keenum start, he will have to also adjust to playing in a noisy environment on the road.

“I think operating is going to be a big key to this game, just operation before the snap and getting us into the right plays, dealing with the noise and silent cadence, and putting the ball in the right place,” Keenum said. “Managing the game I think is going to be a key this week.”

Keenum, who compares the competition this week to the one in preseason between him and Yates, enjoyed the extra practice time for now.

“I got a lot more practice reps and it was fun,” Keenum said. “It was fun running our offense and getting ready to play a game. That’s how I’m seeing it right now and trying to bring a lot of energy and fun to practice this week and the game. I think today was a good start.”link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Case-Keenum-From-practice-squad-to-potential-starter/7e9df110-e189-40fa-8cbe-2186676ba4fb)

TexansBull
10-17-2013, 03:59 PM
LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4LpCbVTp-g)

0:55 mark, and turn down the music if you don't want your ears to bleed. Keenum actually made Jean look like a competent receiver in the preseason.

MSR

ArlingtonTexan
10-17-2013, 04:06 PM
For someone to truly show that they are the "guy" to build around take more than a game or even half a football season. thus far Keenum has done everything that he could do to put himself in position to have a legitimate chance at being an NFL starter...no more, no less.

That said, I simply want Keenum to play a good football game on
Sunday (and anytime he is QBing the Texans). That's the next and only step right now.

Dutchrudder
10-17-2013, 04:16 PM
http://static3.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/jimmies+have+been+rustled+this+day.+lol+at+all+of+ _42e19d9471f8e9e66d6fe7636d866995.jpg

This image is wrong. Yoda would say, "butthurt this one, I sense. mmhmmm."

BullNation4Life
10-17-2013, 04:23 PM
Romo is the only one i believe...

Wasn't Kurt Warner a 3rd string UDFA that got his shot? Or was he second string?

I think the only reason Yates was the backup this year is because he known the offense longer, being he ran the same offense at North Carolina and being I the Texans the last few years.

Keenum has only been running this offense for a year and a half.

BullNation4Life
10-17-2013, 04:25 PM
Stupid phone

BullNation4Life
10-17-2013, 04:25 PM
Bump

ensign_lee
10-17-2013, 04:30 PM
No pick 6's. An INT is okay as long as he has at least 1 TD for each INT.

It's a rookie in his first start in an away game. I'm not going to ask for the moon AND the stars.

Thorn
10-17-2013, 04:33 PM
No pick 6's. An INT is okay as long as he has at least 1 TD for each INT.

It's a rookie in his first start in an away game. I'm not going to ask for the moon AND the stars.

Interesting. I wonder if (we) the fans will give Keenum more latitude than we are giving Schaub and Yates?

TexanBacker93
10-17-2013, 04:39 PM
I'm a fan of his right now because he's the unknown factor. We don't know what we have in Keenum. IMO he's the guy for the rest of the season no matter how he plays Sunday. You need to see what you have in him.

Schaub is 32, has had some lower limb injuries and that's limited his once pedestrian athleticism. He's not going to magically get more mobile or have a stronger arm.

Yates is still young, but he hasn't shown that he's progressed over the past season and a half. If anything, based on his performance against the Rams, he's regressed. Still, while I love that he stepped in as a rookie, made some plays, and got us our first taste of that wonderful thing called the postseason, I think his ceiling is serviceable backup. He could pinch start for you and be able to hand the ball off a lot while making a few throws. He's not going to become the next Tom Brady for us. I'm not saying Keenum is, but we know Yates isn't.

Keenum is a mystery. I'm not a UH guy and I'm vehemently anti-Kubiak, but I want so much for Keenum to come in, light up the Chiefs and become the QB that we need. If he isn't the guy then at least we'll know and we can look at a 1st round QB to be our salvation.

Wolf
10-17-2013, 04:42 PM
Getting Tds instead of field goals


And W's

Exascor
10-17-2013, 04:53 PM
Interesting. I wonder if (we) the fans will give Keenum more latitude than we are giving Schaub and Yates?Honestly I do. He's basically a rookie. I'll forgive him a few more mistakes than the other 2. Hopefully he makes more plays than the other 2 as well.

hradhak
10-17-2013, 04:55 PM
Getting Tds instead of field goals


And W's

KC has a terrible offense. Keenum needs to not give up pick 6 / short field to KC.

If he can manage the game, let Arian and Tate (KC has a terrible run defense also) do most of the heavy lifting and get a TD when they can get into the RZ we can win. That's more than our #1 and #2 have been doing.

HJam72
10-17-2013, 05:32 PM
If he wins the Superbowl, I will definitely want him to start next year. :mail:

SchaubApologist
10-17-2013, 05:33 PM
Just. Win. Baby.

Vance87
10-17-2013, 05:42 PM
Interesting. I wonder if (we) the fans will give Keenum more latitude than we are giving Schaub and Yates?

That question was so rhetorical I had to walk it off.


Of course we're giving him more leeway, did I miss the other 16 NFL starts he's made or something?

JamesBill
10-17-2013, 07:16 PM
What Id like to know is if he starts what would have to happen for the Case crew to fold and say he cant play. I imagine if he gets game time any bad play will be explained away for a million reasons other than Case being Case

If he is better than Schaub, which isn't a very high bar, what does anyone have to explain?

steelbtexan
10-17-2013, 10:16 PM
Blown out in 3 of the last 4 games....you think starting case is gonna fix all those problems that contributed to that?

Agreed, Case doesn't play ST's

Coach Joe must go.

Corrosion
10-17-2013, 10:29 PM
For me , all he has to do is play mistake free .... No turnovers and no penalties (delay of game & the like attributed to QB's). Make good decisions with the ball , not throwing into dangerous situations , not taking unnecessary sacks .....


If the team plays mistake free .... they'll have a shot to win this game as KC is vulnerable to the run , staying on schedule is going to be important - limiting 2nd/3rd & long situations.

His teammates ..... cant fumble. :headhurts:

leebigeztx
10-17-2013, 10:34 PM
I didn't like the qb talent on this roster 3 yrs ago so I'm dang sure not crazy about it now. I thought they should've drafted foles or wilson last yr and geno this yr. When you look in the room and u see a 3rd,5th,and undrafted guy at the most important position,that's a problem to me. To me with case,its a matter of him being the hold the fort guy or just the backup. No way you don't draft a qb in the 1st or 2nd rd based on keenum or any other qb on this roster

Kaiser Toro
10-17-2013, 10:39 PM
Just looking for a talented team to compete and have fun. The team responded to Yates a couple of years ago, they can respond again.

htownfan32
10-18-2013, 12:29 AM
I'm going to be watching how Keenum does of his own accord rather than the scoreboard. I know it's easy to simplify and point to the scoreboard but the score does not tell all.

If the defense or special teams sh!ts the bed Sunday of course I will not blame Keenum for it.

mussop
10-18-2013, 10:52 AM
Not that it matters but Jon gruden loved Keenam coming out. http://m.espn.go.com/general/video?vid=7823467&src=desktop
I think this is the right link.

kingtexan
10-18-2013, 10:56 AM
Case seems to have something long missing in the Texans QB's ... a pair.

kingtexan
10-18-2013, 10:58 AM
Not that it matters but Jon gruden loved Keenam coming out.

Not sure anyone has gotten more out of the QB's they have coached than Gruden has. Gannon at the end of his career, Johnson winning a SB under him, he was there in the beginning for Favre as well. Give Case, and the keys to the car to Jon Gruden and we are in the talk for the SB for another ten years.

2012Champs
10-18-2013, 04:15 PM
Not sure anyone has gotten more out of the QB's they have coached than Gruden has. Gannon at the end of his career, Johnson winning a SB under him, he was there in the beginning for Favre as well. Give Case, and the keys to the car to Jon Gruden and we are in the talk for the SB for another ten years.



Case hasnt taken a regular season snap. Lets hold off on the super bowl 10 year talk stuff

Kaiser Toro
10-18-2013, 04:57 PM
Hakeenum Olajuwon, has a nice ring to it

Thorn
10-18-2013, 04:59 PM
We are unbeat-t-bul

texanhead08
10-18-2013, 06:09 PM
That's not true at all. Kolb led U of H to a few big wins. He also led U of H to a conference championship (something Keenum did not do although he had the chance to his last year there Until Southern Miss sat on them in the championship game) The coogs in his era also put up points on everyone too...that's the benefits of running spread systems. Both guys beat Ok. State when they were ranked. I don't recall either guy beating any other major ranked teams.

That's not true, Keenum beat ECU when they were ranked as a sophmore in 2008. ECU was getting a lot of love for that years BCS buster because they beat Virginia Tech and West Virginia to start the year.

In 2009 UH beat #5 ranked Oklahoma St and they won on the road against Miss St. UH beat Okla St before Dez Bryant was ruled ineligible.

In 2011 UH beat #23 Penn St in the Ticket City bowl and beat UCLA at home to open the season.

Those were probably the biggest wins by UH with Keenum, and Kolb the best win they had other than the 2006 CUSA title game was beating Okla St at home but that team finished 6-6 and was no where near as good as the team that Keenum and co beat on the road in 2009.

Big Lou
10-18-2013, 06:45 PM
I'm getting Case-lash......

waynegg
10-18-2013, 08:48 PM
Blown out in 3 of the last 4 games....you think starting case is gonna fix all those problems that contributed to that?

Yes. A strong leader that's not effing up every other play provides momentum. Momentum leads to wins. Wins lead to faith and confidence. That's all it takes. See Broncos before and after Manning.

2012Champs
10-18-2013, 09:26 PM
Absolutely agree. Having a great QB can mask a lot of your teams weaknesses and carry you over through the hump. With schaub at wheel, every single aspect of your team has to be clicking in order to pick the slack.

Its not suppose to be that way. QB is the one that's suppose to carry the burden. Just look at what Tom Brady is doing in New England. Look at what happened when Peyton left the colts. They barely won a game.

QB position is that important yet its the most neglected position in the history of the texans.


Yeah there are so many manning's and Brady's it's shocking the texans have been ignoring picking them up

Premier
10-18-2013, 10:00 PM
Yeah there are so many manning's and Brady's it's shocking the texans have been ignoring picking them up

you try so hard to miss every point its ridiculous.. weve seen this leadership from tons of qbs not named peyton or brady.. havent seen it from schaub..

Ranger Tom
10-18-2013, 10:10 PM
What does he have to do to convince me?




Win.

Nitrofish
10-18-2013, 11:49 PM
If this asinine assertion about hometown boy was valid then Vince young would be playing here since he WAS a far more accomplished QB.


The only expectations I have of keenum is to not the lousy eff up QB Schaub has become. Asking him to not be as bad as Schaub is not exactly shooting for the stars.

It's funny how you think if you call it asinine, that it somehow makes your opinion more relevant. Name calling is a sign of weakness, and a very weak argument. Don't try to pretend like there have not been tons of calls for VY before, even now, so yea. Hometown boy BS.

Then there is the fact that you yourself probably brought up a time or two when you accused Kubiak if being loyal to a fault, so how could he stay loyal to Schaub and pickup VY?

yeah right, which keenum fan has said he's the next drew brees?

look at schaub's play the last 4 games, and Tj Yates, if Keenum can do better than that and put the fight against the best D in football, Im hopeful of the kid's future.

Well nobody has used those actual words that I am aware of, but certainly that is the insinuation, that all he needs is a chance and he will set the NFL world on fire. Yeah it's 4 games in a 16 game season. You have allot of IF's in your scenarios, and IF's works both ways.

What IF Schaub was healthy and beat the Chief like he has done before?, and what IF Schaub then went on to beat the Colts? The Texans would then be leading the AFCS assuming the Colts lose to the Broncos (Which they will). What IF every time I farted a deposit of 1 million dollars magically appeared in my bank account? IF, IF, IF, IF, IF!

Interesting. I wonder if (we) the fans will give Keenum more latitude than we are giving Schaub and Yates?

Of course they will, regardless whether they should or not. Because he is the home town college hero, and many have praised him as if he is the 2nd coming of Drew Brees even though he has never taken a snap against the 1's in a regular season game, they will give him a pass and blame everything on Kubiak if it goes wrong. You know it's true.

I'm going to be watching how Keenum does of his own accord rather than the scoreboard. I know it's easy to simplify and point to the scoreboard but the score does not tell all.

If the defense or special teams sh!ts the bed Sunday of course I will not blame Keenum for it.

Here is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Now the scoreboard does not matter, and if the D ****s the bed it is not Keenum's fault, even though the D has **** the bed several times this season, it's still only Schaub's fault. But eventually, IF Keenum does not win, or weave the magic so many think he will, they will eventually turn on him too. It's just what some Houston fans do. Been doing it for decades.

Absolutely agree. Having a great QB can mask a lot of your teams weaknesses and carry you over through the hump. With schaub at wheel, every single aspect of your team has to be clicking in order to pick the slack.

Its not suppose to be that way. QB is the one that's suppose to carry the burden. Just look at what Tom Brady is doing in New England. Look at what happened when Peyton left the colts. They barely won a game.

QB position is that important yet its the most neglected position in the history of the texans.

Wait... Was everything perfect for Schaub in the "Next Man Up" season? Was the special teams playing perfect? You confuse "Schaub needs good OL play" with "everything needs to be perfect for Schaub to play well". Schaub has performed many times when things were not perfect. Pretty sure things were not perfect in the San Diego game this year either, nor were they in the Seahawks game, yet he still was carving the so called number one D to pieces in the first half, but I know, it was just the Seahawks playing poorly, not Schaub playing well, right?

You guys just keep taking your shots at Schaub, but at least have the courtesy to include some reality in there somewhere, not just Anti-Schaub propaganda.

thunderkyss
10-19-2013, 12:41 AM
Wait... Was everything perfect for Schaub in the "Next Man Up" season? Was the special teams playing perfect? You confuse "Schaub needs good OL play" with "everything needs to be perfect for Schaub to play well". Schaub has performed many times when things were not perfect. Pretty sure things were not perfect in the San Diego game this year either, nor were they in the Seahawks game, yet he still was carving the so called number one D to pieces in the first half, but I know, it was just the Seahawks playing poorly, not Schaub playing well, right?

You guys just keep taking your shots at Schaub, but at least have the courtesy to include some reality in there somewhere, not just Anti-Schaub propaganda.

"Schaub has all kinds of time sitting in the pocket."

Since Schaub's been here, no one has been able to honestly say that, not the way these other QBs have been able to sit in the pocket, make multiple reads, pump fake.... Not the way Sam Bradford had "all the time in the world" last Sunday.

Not even back when we had the "best line in the league" with the great Eric Winston (who got tore up against Seattle Thursday night) & Mike Briesel. He's had "enough" time, or "should" have been able to do more.... but he's played at a high level in spite of it.

He has his faults, & I believe a lot of the limitations of this offense is due to Schaub's limitations. We don't run a 2 minute drill, because of Schaub. We don't try to score at the end of a half because of Schaub. We don't play 3 & 5 wides because of Schaub. Our WRs don't rack up TDs because of Schaub.

But he's never got the credit he's deserved. Not from us.

Vance87
10-19-2013, 12:47 AM
"Schaub has all kinds of time sitting in the pocket."

Since Schaub's been here, no one has been able to honestly say that, not the way these other QBs have been able to sit in the pocket, make multiple reads, pump fake.... Not the way Sam Bradford had "all the time in the world" last Sunday.

Not even back when we had the "best line in the league" with the great Eric Winston (who got tore up against Seattle Thursday night) & Mike Briesel. He's had "enough" time, or "should" have been able to do more.... but he's played at a high level in spite of it.

He has his faults, & I believe a lot of the limitations of this offense is due to Schaub's limitations. We don't run a 2 minute drill, because of Schaub. We don't try to score at the end of a half because of Schaub. We don't play 3 & 5 wides because of Schaub. Our WRs don't rack up TDs because of Schaub.

But he's never got the credit he's deserved. Not from us.

After the 2011 season I put Schaub just outside the top echelon of QBs in this league. I believe that may be the high water mark of his career. I always knew he wasn't the type of guy to will a team to a victory, and you had to have a good team around him to get the job done. I've given Schaub his praise and stuck up for him at times but I can no longer do that.

thunderkyss
10-19-2013, 12:58 AM
After the 2011 season I put Schaub just outside the top echelon of QBs in this league. I believe that may be the high water mark of his career. I always knew he wasn't the type of guy to will a team to a victory, and you had to have a good team around him to get the job done. I've given Schaub his praise and stuck up for him at times but I can no longer do that.

You're right, I shouldn't say he's never got credit. Houston did love her some Schaub for a little while there. & it's definitely not warranted now.

Thorn
10-19-2013, 03:21 AM
You're right, I shouldn't say he's never got credit. Houston did love her some Schaub for a little while there. & it's definitely not warranted now.

It is the nature of fans to love and hate players based on nothing more than what have you done for me lately.

Rey
10-19-2013, 08:18 AM
You're right, I shouldn't say he's never got credit. Houston did love her some Schaub for a little while there. & it's definitely not warranted now.

wtf?

Houston is a dude.

thunderkyss
10-19-2013, 12:03 PM
wtf?

Houston is a dude.

I don't love any dude the way I love Houston.

htownfan32
10-19-2013, 12:19 PM
wtf?

Houston is a dude.

Aren't cities, ships, etc. always a she?

TexansSeminole
10-19-2013, 05:14 PM
All I know is that if Keenum is successful, you are going to hear a bunch of people on here talking about how Kubiak's scheme is great and how he is the right coach. If he fails, you're likely to see a bunch of people talking about how Kubiak isn't worth a damn and it's no wonder Keenum couldn't succeed.

Rey
10-19-2013, 05:41 PM
I don't love any dude the way I love Houston.

I have a dad that I love.

thunderkyss
10-19-2013, 06:18 PM
I have a dad that I love.

Count yourself one of the lucky ones.

TheMatrix31
10-19-2013, 06:24 PM
You can't convince anyone of anything in one game no matter who you are.

infantrycak
10-19-2013, 06:28 PM
You can't convince anyone of anything in one game no matter who you are.

Shouldn't but some people are on both sides are convinced already.

cstyle42
10-19-2013, 06:46 PM
Yeah there are so many manning's and Brady's it's shocking the texans have been ignoring picking them up

Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, RG3, Andrew Luck laugh. Big Ben, Joe Flaco these guys have super bowl ring. All quarterbacks not named Brady or Manning are not qb's that cannot get it down. Matt Schaub and David Carr are just incapable quarterbacks bottom line. Drew Brees, Eli Manning it just keeps going...

Home team fan
10-20-2013, 06:01 PM
This!!!

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 06:33 PM
"What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?"

exactly what he did today.. he's the guy

AFS
10-20-2013, 06:33 PM
I think he did enough for me to want to see another start out of him. Got almost 300 yards passing with a crap o-line against one of the best defenses in the NFL.

ajohnson80
10-20-2013, 06:37 PM
he played well with alot of things going against him. losing the running game against that defense was huge. this season is quickly turning into a nightmare it's not even much about case or schaub or any of that anymore.

stonewhite
10-20-2013, 06:37 PM
What he did today

gafftop
10-20-2013, 09:26 PM
No doubt based on MS and TJ as the competition that Case deserves to continue. If Luck stays healthy we are done this year. Really need to clean house in front office.

Norg
10-20-2013, 09:33 PM
Win some games ....... and like him himself winning some games with his arm and feet lik carry the team on his back that's what I need

Carr Bombed
10-20-2013, 09:39 PM
Win some games ....... and like him himself winning some games with his arm and feet lik carry the team on his back that's what I need

lol, I'm right there with you.. this bud's for you :).