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YeaLikeRightNow
10-14-2013, 06:46 PM
After talking with some co-workers after the game, and again at work today; we've come up with this scenario:

The last few weeks, especially after the near-miss win over Tennessee, the heartbreak loss to Seattle and then the blowout at San Francisco...things had been changing on the Texans entire team. The real truth came out yesterday against the Rams.

The defense had been trying to tell the offense that if they could not score, or do anything but hand the opponents a win, then what's the use in busting our tails when we know we are going to lose.

This spread not only through the defense, but through special teams and some of the offense. It was quite obvious that the team was sick and tired of the debacle at the quarterback position.

We went from a QB dilemma the past few weeks to a total team meltdown the last two games. It's quite obvious that the team just doesn't "get holes in itself" all of a sudden. The loss seems to be a dedicated effort to go out there and go through the motions because nothing is going to change positively.

This is just mine and a few others opinions, and we may be totally wrong...but for some reason the passion of this team is gone.

Thorn
10-14-2013, 07:53 PM
I think for some players, the passion might be gone, but they are getting a hefty paycheck, so they probably won't be to noticeable about it. Besides, anyone actually finally making a position on an NFL team isn't going to risk their career by obviously slacking.

I think the big problem on the team is coaching leadership, or lack thereof. When that is fixed, the Texans most certainly have the talent to win games. They also need a QB as well.

thunderkyss
10-14-2013, 08:02 PM
The defense had been trying to tell the offense that if they could not score, or do anything but hand the opponents a win, then what's the use in busting our tails when we know we are going to lose.



The ugly truth is if the defense would have not allowed a 90+ yard TD drive to the Seattle Seahawks we'd have won that game. If they'd have held them to a field goal on an 89 yard drive, we'd have won that game.

& they don't need to be btching about fans cheering when Schaub got hurt. They were thinking the same thing.

hradhak
10-14-2013, 08:10 PM
The offense and defense have been garbage at different times this season. It has coalesced into team suckage in SF and against STL.

This train is nearly derailed, but to blame it all on the offense ignores the 1 or more drives per game where the defense has basically given the opponent a TD. This team is sloppy and it reflects on the players and the coaching staff.

DocBar
10-14-2013, 08:44 PM
I had a 9 hour drive through the desert Southwest today, so I had plenty of time to think about this situation. I basically came to the conclusion that Kubiak is hubristic.

Reflecting back on seasons past, the teams play the last 10-12 games and Kubiak's own comments, I began to realize that Kubiak believes so much in his scheme that I'm beginning to wonder if the coaching staff even does a real game plan for opponents. If the team just executes better than the other team, the Texans will win. Period. Every play begins the same and the defense doesn't know if it's a run or a pass (yeah right) so how could it not work? The offense has that magical second or so before the defense figures it out and BAM!!!, big plays galore, blah-blah-blah.

That worked out great in 2010 thru 6 or 7 games last season. Defenses caught on. Play disciplined and don't bite on the play fake (which has been getting worse every year (Schaub was a master of it 2008-2011 but has been getting worse since his foot injury, coincidental or not). Defenses now are attacking Kubiak's offense by disassociating the front 5-7 from the secondary. The pass rush just goes balls out for Schaub, knowing they might give up a big play on a run or screen (those haven't been working very well either, for the most part) but if they can rattle Schaub (that means making him move) they stand a good chance to win the game and pad their stats. The secondary is playing tendencies. The offensive tendencies are so obvious that most of the members of this forum can call the play before the ball is hiked. Again, they may give up a big play, but they stand a better than even chance of making a big play.

Kubiak reportedly scripts the first 15 plays. Then he runs those same 15 plays, with 4 or 5 others, for the rest of the game. Sure, the formations are the same, run or pass, but if the defense sets the edge, gets any kind of penetration up front and play the tendencies on the back end, it's a recipe for success. Kubiak is the last coach in the world that will change what he's doing and call a different game. He believes so much in his system that he's incapable of change. Run the ball, PA passes, control the clock, rinse and repeat.

I just watched the 1st play of MNF Dolt's vs Bolts. Indy dials up a flea flicker. Kubiak probably called Dennison or Shanahan to find out what that is.

I had more to say, but that play totally distracted me. :hurrah:

Tailgate
10-14-2013, 09:04 PM
I had a 9 hour drive through the desert Southwest today, so I had plenty of time to think about this situation. I basically came to the conclusion that Kubiak is hubristic.

Reflecting back on seasons past, the teams play the last 10-12 games and Kubiak's own comments, I began to realize that Kubiak believes so much in his scheme that I'm beginning to wonder if the coaching staff even does a real game plan for opponents. If the team just executes better than the other team, the Texans will win. Period. Every play begins the same and the defense doesn't know if it's a run or a pass (yeah right) so how could it not work? The offense has that magical second or so before the defense figures it out and BAM!!!, big plays galore, blah-blah-blah.

That worked out great in 2010 thru 6 or 7 games last season. Defenses caught on. Play disciplined and don't bite on the play fake (which has been getting worse every year (Schaub was a master of it 2008-2011 but has been getting worse since his foot injury, coincidental or not). Defenses now are attacking Kubiak's offense by disassociating the front 5-7 from the secondary. The pass rush just goes balls out for Schaub, knowing they might give up a big play on a run or screen (those haven't been working very well either, for the most part) but if they can rattle Schaub (that means making him move) they stand a good chance to win the game and pad their stats. The secondary is playing tendencies. The offensive tendencies are so obvious that most of the members of this forum can call the play before the ball is hiked. Again, they may give up a big play, but they stand a better than even chance of making a big play.

Kubiak reportedly scripts the first 15 plays. Then he runs those same 15 plays, with 4 or 5 others, for the rest of the game. Sure, the formations are the same, run or pass, but if the defense sets the edge, gets any kind of penetration up front and play the tendencies on the back end, it's a recipe for success. Kubiak is the last coach in the world that will change what he's doing and call a different game. He believes so much in his system that he's incapable of change. Run the ball, PA passes, control the clock, rinse and repeat.

I just watched the 1st play of MNF Dolt's vs Bolts. Indy dials up a flea flicker. Kubiak probably called Dennison or Shanahan to find out what that is.

I had more to say, but that play totally distracted me. :hurrah:

The reason we were so good is because our O-line was one of the best in the league for a period. Not that they were the most talented, but because they were a perfect fit for what the system is trying to do. Alex Gibbs was here to architect the O-line, and he is no longer here to architect the o-line for the zone blocking scheme. Hell, we aren't even in play action mode much anymore. We were giving up sacks early in the season in play action. When that starts to happen in this style of offense, and with a Schaub at QB... disaster is looming.

Honoring Earl 34
10-14-2013, 09:13 PM
I had a 9 hour drive through the desert Southwest today, so I had plenty of time to think about this situation. I basically came to the conclusion that Kubiak is hubristic.

Reflecting back on seasons past, the teams play the last 10-12 games and Kubiak's own comments, I began to realize that Kubiak believes so much in his scheme that I'm beginning to wonder if the coaching staff even does a real game plan for opponents. If the team just executes better than the other team, the Texans will win. Period. Every play begins the same and the defense doesn't know if it's a run or a pass (yeah right) so how could it not work? The offense has that magical second or so before the defense figures it out and BAM!!!, big plays galore, blah-blah-blah.

That worked out great in 2010 thru 6 or 7 games last season. Defenses caught on. Play disciplined and don't bite on the play fake (which has been getting worse every year (Schaub was a master of it 2008-2011 but has been getting worse since his foot injury, coincidental or not). Defenses now are attacking Kubiak's offense by disassociating the front 5-7 from the secondary. The pass rush just goes balls out for Schaub, knowing they might give up a big play on a run or screen (those haven't been working very well either, for the most part) but if they can rattle Schaub (that means making him move) they stand a good chance to win the game and pad their stats. The secondary is playing tendencies. The offensive tendencies are so obvious that most of the members of this forum can call the play before the ball is hiked. Again, they may give up a big play, but they stand a better than even chance of making a big play.

Kubiak reportedly scripts the first 15 plays. Then he runs those same 15 plays, with 4 or 5 others, for the rest of the game. Sure, the formations are the same, run or pass, but if the defense sets the edge, gets any kind of penetration up front and play the tendencies on the back end, it's a recipe for success. Kubiak is the last coach in the world that will change what he's doing and call a different game. He believes so much in his system that he's incapable of change. Run the ball, PA passes, control the clock, rinse and repeat.

I just watched the 1st play of MNF Dolt's vs Bolts. Indy dials up a flea flicker. Kubiak probably called Dennison or Shanahan to find out what that is.

I had more to say, but that play totally distracted me. :hurrah:

Kubiak and Shanahan are firm believers in the system and that the system wins you games .

I think in todays NFL , you need a stud QB , good line play , and guys , in every facet , who can get you TDs .

Uncle Rico
10-14-2013, 09:20 PM
Nothing like water cooler conspiracies to start the week! A team will take on the personality of its coach. Kubiak is cracking, so is his team. Kubiak just doesn't have the intangibles to be a good coach, better suited for OC.

To imply defenders áre tanking to send a message is invalid considering all the Pay/bonus clauses in their contracts. Pride and glory might be gone, but you know they want to get paid!

DocBar
10-14-2013, 09:21 PM
The reason we were so good is because our O-line was one of the best in the league for a period. Not that they were the most talented, but because they were a perfect fit for what the system is trying to do. Alex Gibbs was here to architect the O-line, and he is no longer here to architect the o-line for the zone blocking scheme. Hell, we aren't even in play action mode much anymore. We were giving up sacks early in the season in play action. When that starts to happen in this style of offense, and with a Schaub at QB... disaster is looming.The offensive line was good to great...on the left side. Brisiel was a dang good RG. Winston was a train wreck of a RT. I'm not saying Newton is an upgrade, by any means, just that Winston was not the answer at RT for the Texans. He's a road grader in run blocking and a Sonic waitress on roller skates in pass pro.

Regardless, the changes on the OL strengthen my argument. Kubiak believes he can take JAG and make him a competent starter in the NFL. Regardless of position, Kubiak displays hubris in a lot of his personnel decisions, most obviously on offense. Kubiak reminds me of Casserly in this. Both seem to want to be known as geniuses that can make bold draft choices, or non-choices (passing on a higher rated player for a lesser talent) and having them succeed. That proves that the scheme trumps talent. I don't know how much of that falls on Kubiak and how much on Smith. Personally, I think Smith would be a fantastic GM if not joined at the hip with Kubiak. GM's and HC's being on the same page and working together is not the same as both being best buds and one maybe getting the job for the other. Smith might take a different tack with a HC he wasn't so close to, personally.

thunderkyss
10-14-2013, 09:23 PM
Reflecting back on seasons past, the teams play the last 10-12 games and Kubiak's own comments, I began to realize that Kubiak believes so much in his scheme that I'm beginning to wonder if the coaching staff even does a real game plan for opponents. If the team just executes better than the other team, the Texans will win. Period. Every play begins the same and the defense doesn't know if it's a run or a pass (yeah right) so how could it not work? The offense has that magical second or so before the defense figures it out and BAM!!!, big plays galore, blah-blah-blah.


I respect your opinion, I respect everyone's opinion, but this is just off. It's not a system problem, it's not a play-calling problem.

First, Matt may be ultra conservative, but he's moving the team down the field. We don't stretch the field vertically, & unless we absolutely have to have a 3rd & long, he's going to ake the safest option & hope someone makes a play. That's on Matt, that's not a system/scheme problem. & honestly, if this defense doesn't start playing like the 2011 or early 2012 defense, where a short field for the other team won't hurt you... I don't blame him. Of course you won't play that way against the Saints, Patriots, Broncos, or Packer, but the Rams, Titans, 49ers.... if we turn it over on their 30 yard line, we should expect to not give up a single point on at least half of those. Not the case in 2013.

Secondly, the plays are there. Some of them pretty safe throws, but Matt's just not taking them. Remember that play early in the first Qtr that Matt slung it out to Greg Jones in the flat.... 3 yards, when we needed 12 I think. Andre found a sweet spot in their zone defense, on one around him for at least 5 yards in any direction. It was one of the few times I saw Andre dropped his head & walked (not run, not jog, but walked) back to the huddle. It took him so long to get to the huddle they were already breaking the huddle before he even got to it.

It's not the play-calling. It's not the system/scheme. It's the QB & if the coach hadn't jumped his sht about it yet, it's on the coach.

DocBar
10-14-2013, 09:40 PM
I respect your opinion, I respect everyone's opinion, but this is just off. It's not a system problem, it's not a play-calling problem.

First, Matt may be ultra conservative, but he's moving the team down the field. We don't stretch the field vertically, & unless we absolutely have to have a 3rd & long, he's going to ake the safest option & hope someone makes a play. That's on Matt, that's not a system/scheme problem. & honestly, if this defense doesn't start playing like the 2011 or early 2012 defense, where a short field for the other team won't hurt you... I don't blame him. Of course you won't play that way against the Saints, Patriots, Broncos, or Packer, but the Rams, Titans, 49ers.... if we turn it over on their 30 yard line, we should expect to not give up a single point on at least half of those. Not the case in 2013.

Secondly, the plays are there. Some of them pretty safe throws, but Matt's just not taking them. Remember that play early in the first Qtr that Matt slung it out to Greg Jones in the flat.... 3 yards, when we needed 12 I think. Andre found a sweet spot in their zone defense, on one around him for at least 5 yards in any direction. It was one of the few times I saw Andre dropped his head & walked (not run, not jog, but walked) back to the huddle. It took him so long to get to the huddle they were already breaking the huddle before he even got to it.

It's not the play-calling. It's not the system/scheme. It's the QB & if the coach hadn't jumped his sht about it yet, it's on the coach.So you've gone from being a Schaub-apologist to a Kubiak-apologist? The :koolaid: is strong with you, young Padwan.

BTW, how do you feel now about the team falling apart around Schaub? You said that the Rams game would be telling....Looked like dominos crossed with cards to me. Stuff was falling left and right, on both sides of the ball. Maybe it's Kubiak that has lost the team, not just Schaub. And I'm not interested at all in what the players say to the media.

steelbtexan
10-14-2013, 09:52 PM
Nothing like water cooler conspiracies to start the week! A team will take on the personality of its coach. Kubiak is cracking, so is his team. Kubiak just doesn't have the intangibles to be a good coach, better suited for OC.

To imply defenders áre tanking to send a message is invalid considering all the Pay/bonus clauses in their contracts. Pride and glory might be gone, but you know they want to get paid!

The problems with the defense are
1. Earl Mitchell is a liabilty in the run game
2. There's not a stud pass rushing OLB on the defense.
3. With Reed/Manning out the S duo of Sweariger and Keo should bring back Stevens/Eric Brown days of horrific S play. Keo as a starter in the NFL?

Uncle Rico
10-14-2013, 09:56 PM
The problems with the defense are
1. Earl Mitchell is a liabilty in the run game
2. There's not a stud pass rushing OLB on the defense.
3. With Reed/Manning out the S duo of Sweariger and Keo should bring back Stevens/Eric Brown days of horrific S play. Keo as a starter in the NFL?

Thanks for the nightmares! But hey statistically speaking we are a good defense and have so much potential! Kinda leads you to drink. Sad.

thunderkyss
10-14-2013, 10:24 PM
So you've gone from being a Schaub-apologist to a Kubiak-apologist? The :koolaid: is strong with you, young Padwan.


If we're going to criticize... I just want to help make sure our criticism is accurate. Schaub is David Carr 2.0 right now. People want to believe Carr was let go because he wasn't any good. The truth of the matter is that he didn't give us a chance to win. He wasn't stretching the field, he wasn't giving our play-makers an opportunity to make plays. Like Matt, his placement is horrible. I don't think David had any control of it. Matt says he does it on purpose, but right now the results about the same.


BTW, how do you feel now about the team falling apart around Schaub? You said that the Rams game would be telling....Looked like dominos crossed with cards to me. Stuff was falling left and right, on both sides of the ball. Maybe it's Kubiak that has lost the team, not just Schaub. And I'm not interested at all in what the players say to the media.

The offensive line & Arian played well yesterday. But like David, when we made a mistake, our QB didn't have the ability to overcome. A 5 yard penalty to this QB is devastating. A 10 or 15 yard penalty is insurmountable. We can't take a shot on 2nd & 9 because we'll be offschedule on third down if it's incomplete & we can't have that.

I still saw a lot of effort on offense, everyone running their routes hard. Not like 2006 with David Carr. So I don't think the offense gave up on Matt. However, a LB ran a INT back 98 yards & Tj was the only Texan around him. I've got to imagine they got an arse-chewing because Ryan Harris almost tackled the guy on the second INT in the endzone.

Defensively it's hard to say when Grady Wilson & Shilo Keo are your last lines of defense, but it looks like they have no idea what's going to happen after the snap. Completely unprepared like in 2010. On every down & distance, they should have some idea about what the other team wants to do & how they like to go about doing it. We had no clue. It's like they're guessing C on every question & hoping to get a passing grade. They are way too talented to get whup'd the way they got whup'd. From the stands I thought they gave up on someone, Gary, Matt, Bob, me.... but when I watched it the second time..... I think it's an inside job & someone's tired of being a DC.

gafftop
10-14-2013, 10:25 PM
The problems with the defense are
1. Earl Mitchell is a liabilty in the run game
2. There's not a stud pass rushing OLB on the defense.
3. With Reed/Manning out the S duo of Sweariger and Keo should bring back Stevens/Eric Brown days of horrific S play. Keo as a starter in the NFL?

I would like to add:
1. Slow LB 53 in coverage. Target him when you need anything
2. No DB's with skills to intercept. They don't look for ball.


On offense I think we are a slow team in general. Could be our scheme but I think we are just slow. Reminds me of a Big 10 team. Not RBs so much as WRs and TEs on a relative basis. So not only can't MS throw a long ball our receivers can't get separation. It seems to me a lot of our passes are caught with our receivers stationary are barely moving. No real chance to break a long play. DB's not so worried about getting beat deep so they sit on route. Reward (pick 6 or int) for them far out weights the risk ( an extra 10 or so yards).

So we methodically try to go down field and hope we have no negative plays or we are basically dead. It seems we face a lot of 3rd downs that we must convert on a drive to get points Leads to many more chances for mistake.
Basically no big plays on offense.

If we have a good drive say 7:30 minutes and stall in RZ and get 3 points and we do that a couple times, we have used one quarter and we have 6 points. The other team has a drive that consumes say 4:00 minutes and one that takes 6:00 minutes and they score a TD and they lead 7-6. If we turn the ball over at the end of one of those drives and get nothing or worse yet they return for a TD we could easily be down 14-3 . Basically what I am saying is we have to be really good for many plays to score while the other team can be lousy but get the big plays and beat us. We need to try and get the big play sometimes or just be able to run at will.( kind of like against Colts one year)

thunderkyss
10-14-2013, 10:34 PM
If we're going to criticize... I just want to help make sure our criticism is accurate. Schaub is David Carr 2.0 right now. People want to believe Carr was let go because he wasn't any good. The truth of the matter is that he didn't give us a chance to win. He wasn't stretching the field, he wasn't giving our play-makers an opportunity to make plays. Like Matt, his placement is horrible. I don't think David had any control of it. Matt says he does it on purpose, but right now the results about the same.



The offensive line & Arian played well yesterday. But like David, when we made a mistake, our QB didn't have the ability to overcome. A 5 yard penalty to this QB is devastating. A 10 or 15 yard penalty is insurmountable. We can't take a shot on 2nd & 9 because we'll be offschedule on third down if it's incomplete & we can't have that.

I still saw a lot of effort on offense, everyone running their routes hard. Not like 2006 with David Carr. So I don't think the offense gave up on Matt. However, a LB ran a INT back 98 yards & Tj was the only Texan around him. I've got to imagine they got an arse-chewing because Ryan Harris almost tackled the guy on the second INT in the endzone.


I know I've done a 180 & I'm being hyper critical of Schaub, but if Kubiak were to throw him out there against KC I'll be rooting for him. I've made a few David Carr references there, but I don't think he's that bad yet. I think Matt still has the ability to play at a high level & we saw a little bit of it at the end of the San Diego game, he gave Hopkins the opportunity to win the Tennessee game & he came out & tore the Legion of Boom apart in the first half. David Carr wouldn't have done any of that.

My biggest problem with Matt is that I know he can do it. Play at a high level. But he only does it when his back is against the wall. We need him to play like that all the time. From here on out, the rest of the season his back is against the wall. He can mope & whine thinking that he can't do anything to save his job here in Houston & that may very well be true. But if he thinks he can still play in this league, he needs to make a case for the teams who will be looking for a QB next season.

DocBar
10-14-2013, 10:37 PM
If we're going to criticize... I just want to help make sure our criticism is accurate. Schaub is David Carr 2.0 right now. People want to believe Carr was let go because he wasn't any good. The truth of the matter is that he didn't give us a chance to win. He wasn't stretching the field, he wasn't giving our play-makers an opportunity to make plays. Like Matt, his placement is horrible. I don't think David had any control of it. Matt says he does it on purpose, but right now the results about the same.



The offensive line & Arian played well yesterday. But like David, when we made a mistake, our QB didn't have the ability to overcome. A 5 yard penalty to this QB is devastating. A 10 or 15 yard penalty is insurmountable. We can't take a shot on 2nd & 9 because we'll be offschedule on third down if it's incomplete & we can't have that.

I still saw a lot of effort on offense, everyone running their routes hard. Not like 2006 with David Carr. So I don't think the offense gave up on Matt. However, a LB ran a INT back 98 yards & Tj was the only Texan around him. I've got to imagine they got an arse-chewing because Ryan Harris almost tackled the guy on the second INT in the endzone.

Defensively it's hard to say when Grady Wilson & Shilo Keo are your last lines of defense, but it looks like they have no idea what's going to happen after the snap. Completely unprepared like in 2010. On every down & distance, they should have some idea about what the other team wants to do & how they like to go about doing it. We had no clue. It's like they're guessing C on every question & hoping to get a passing grade. They are way too talented to get whup'd the way they got whup'd. From the stands I thought they gave up on someone, Gary, Matt, Bob, me.... but when I watched it the second time..... I think it's an inside job & someone's tired of being a DC.The OL run blocked well and pass pro'd like caca. Foster was a beast. The rest of your post agrees with me, especially the part about the DC being tired of being the DC.

gafftop
10-14-2013, 10:41 PM
Watching Luck right now. Heavy pressure and he runs for 7 yards. MS would have been sacked for 10 and drive over. Just one of the problems with MS and this years Texans. Just too big a hurdle to over come I think. Add in TO over problems he is having and you have big blowouts.

thunderkyss
10-14-2013, 10:46 PM
The OL run blocked well and pass pro'd like caca. Foster was a beast.

The protection was good enough yesterday. Three of the 5 sacks were because Schaub has poor pocket presence. A normal QB would have got out of the pocket just fine. I can think of at least one clean hit he took from a delayed free blitzer..... that's on him.

DocBar
10-14-2013, 10:49 PM
The protection was good enough yesterday. Three of the 5 sacks were because Schaub has poor pocket presence. A normal QB would have got out of the pocket just fine. I can think of at least one clean hit he took from a delayed free blitzer..... that's on him.

You gotta piss with the **** ya got and Schaub is our ****. Evidently, it wasn't good enough pass pro for that particular ****.

EDIT: **** stands for c0ck.

thunderkyss
10-14-2013, 10:51 PM
Watching Luck right now. Heavy pressure and he runs for 7 yards. MS would have been sacked for 10 and drive over. Just one of the problems with MS and this years Texans. Just too big a hurdle to over come I think. Add in TO over problems he is having and you have big blowouts.

At the end of the day, they got no points out of the drive. Or did I miss a field goal?

Their defense is keeping this game close.

thunderkyss
10-14-2013, 10:52 PM
Rivers is using every inch of the field.

thunderkyss
10-14-2013, 10:53 PM
That OL is abusing the Colts front 7

SW H-TOWN
10-14-2013, 10:59 PM
The protection was good enough yesterday. Three of the 5 sacks were because Schaub has poor pocket presence. A normal QB would have got out of the pocket just fine. I can think of at least one clean hit he took from a delayed free blitzer..... that's on him.

Yep, if Schaub is pressured in any sort of way he is just not mobile enough to extend the play to do any good. It is incredible how slow he is. When pressured it seems to me that even the other team's kicker has figured out that he cannot go deep and are jumping the short routes. They know that he will either go short or throw it away. On the bright side Derek Carr will be available in the draft next year, haha.

gafftop
10-14-2013, 11:08 PM
Go San Diego

Grams
10-14-2013, 11:47 PM
This team has been on a downward spiral since the bye last year. Don't know what happened, if Matt got hurt or Kubes and Wade had a falling out or what. But the play was different and has only gone downhill from there. Sure we won some games, but it is not the same team as the first 9 games last year. Thought it would pick up this year as Cush is back. But it certainly has not, it has only gotten worse.

Matt is broke. His confidence is gone. You could see it in the game this week. It was real obvious. He could not decide where to throw the ball, taking extra time to make sure he would not throw an interception. He is playing scared.

I am one that has wanted to see Kubiak gone. But Wade is not the answer either. He is just a good DC, but his defenses go downhill after the first year and never seem to get back to that same level. He has also been a HC several time and was just decent. He will be just decent here also. Better than some but not as good as others. Sort of like the Romo of coaches, gets you close, but pull a bonehead move to screw it up.

Both the offense and defense have problems this year. It is not just one side of the ball.

They might just as well start Case to see what he can do as we all know TJ is just Matt 2.0. It sure can't get much worse than the last 4 games.

Sigma
10-15-2013, 05:18 AM
You gotta piss with the penis ya got and Schaub is our penis.

LOL

first time I smiled since I watched the game

thank you sir

:fostering:

deucetx
10-15-2013, 09:00 AM
Not one for conspiracy theories plus this seems a stretch. Now the defense can be demoralized by what they see as can the offense to see teams scoring in the redzone at will. Defense has played ok (average) but TK has a strong point in regards to the fact that if you're in the redzone on our defense you'll get a touchdown. They haven't been able to stop anything there and that just can't be the case.

Kind of a damn shame. We can't score consistently in the redzone and we can't stop anyone there. Our own Bermuda Triangle. In any case, the ugly truth is probably that Schaub returning to his old form is the best chance we have. Unless one of these young guns can surprise us (reach I don't really hold high hope for) then we need Schaub to get his head/game right. Not a fan of his or a believer in the guy anymore but still is probably our best option.

He still needs to sit the KC game. He's obviously not 100% or the other qb's wouldn't have came up. To have a less than 100% Schaub who barely moves faster than Fat Albert in a the pocket against that Chiefs rush could be a disaster waiting to happen.

Frustrating to say the least. Especially when you consider we have never been beat like this in back to back games even during our worse years.

Thorn
10-15-2013, 10:15 AM
They should have named the team the Houston Hurricanes so we'd know right off the bat what a disaster we have. LOL

The truth of the matter is Kubiak isn't going to take us to the promised land. Half to three quarters of the rest of the coaches in the NFL aren't going to take their teams there ever as well. Until we get a good head coach we'll just keep pissing in the wind.

kingtexan
10-15-2013, 10:27 AM
EDIT: **** stands for c0ck.

Please never mention that and Matt in the same sentence. Girls don't have those ...

thunderkyss
10-15-2013, 10:54 AM
He still needs to sit the KC game. He's obviously not 100% or the other qb's wouldn't have came up. To have a less than 100% Schaub who barely moves faster than Fat Albert in a the pocket against that Chiefs rush could be a disaster waiting to happen.

Frustrating to say the least. Especially when you consider we have never been beat like this in back to back games even during our worse years.

I want to win @KC badly. All this, "Let's see what Keenum's got." Is premature if you ask me. If you think he can't be worse, I understand. If you genuinely think he's better, I'm fine with that. But just to see what he's got?

I think Schaub is a big, big part of our problem, but not the same way most people do.

But I want to win come Sunday & whoever they truly believes gives us the best chance to win, that's who I want out there.

texanhead08
10-15-2013, 01:25 PM
We may be able to dink and dunk our way between the 20's but when we get in the red zone our offensive weaknesses are exposed. The avg to below average o-line and Schaub's weak arm. He doesn't have the arm strength to get the ball in those tight windows when the field shrinks and we aren't the road grading offensive line that we were in 2010-11.

Vinny
10-15-2013, 01:39 PM
We may be able to dink and dunk our way between the 20's but when we get in the red zone our offensive weaknesses are exposed. The avg to below average o-line and Schaub's weak arm. He doesn't have the arm strength to get the ball in those tight windows when the field shrinks and we aren't the road grading offensive line that we were in 2010-11.
One big problem is that are not looking to score until we get to the red zone, and zone blocking schemes are notorious for being bad red zone teams since they don't power block well. It's a finesse offense and finesse running offenses don't tend to be able to blow people off the ball when the field shrinks. When the field shrinks the same 11 players can play much closer to the line so there are more defenders per square yard.

In this 1st down offense we only try to keep the team in a reasonable down and distance for 3rd down (hiding the QB). No matter who we see out there we will have those maddening array of short crossing routes, Andre not targeted in the end zone, and QB's afraid to make a back shoulder pass, or throw a guy open because of the Stalag 8 rule of take no chances. Eventually teams come to the conclusion that the Texans are not going to take a chance deep unless it's a play action pass, so they squat on the short crossing routes. It's an old scheme that hasn't evolved much over the years in a league where the evolution of schemes is ongoing and aggressive. The only way this ironic Texans offense works is if we have the lead. Otherwise it's friggin' yakety sax.

Marcus
10-15-2013, 02:30 PM
The ugly truth . . . is this myth that we have too much talent on this team.

That said. Schaub is done. He can't throw on the run. Opposing DCs are using that to their advantage.

But that doesn't explain the defense. It's very easy and convenient it just brush this off by pointing fingers at the coaching. The players just aren't getting it done.

The ugly truth . . . is that this team is overrated. Their wad is already been shot.

cstyle42
10-15-2013, 06:25 PM
The ugly truth . . . is this myth that we have too much talent on this team.

That said. Schaub is done. He can't throw on the run. Opposing DCs are using that to their advantage.

But that doesn't explain the defense. It's very easy and convenient it just brush this off by pointing fingers at the coaching. The players just aren't getting it done.

The ugly truth . . . is that this team is overrated. Their wad is already been shot.

Lmao...