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Exascor
10-14-2013, 02:25 PM
I've praised Rick Smith for the talent that this roster appears to have. Do you think he should go if Kubiak is let go?

Here's a take I had on Casserly once upon a time (2005): http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=180140#post180140

This time, I'm leaning harder to the "clean the house" side. Leave no toxin in the system. What do you guys think?

Vinny
10-14-2013, 02:30 PM
I'm not a fan of the Texans cap management. I think the team is upside down in structure with Kubiak hiring Smith. Kubiak has too much power with Smith being his rubber stamp guy. I'd like to see the team hire a GM then let a GM pick his coach. The NFL moves fast so a mistake doesn't need to take 5 years to fix except for here it seems. It took friggin' forever to figure out if Carr was good enough....it's taking them forever to figure out Schaub isn't anything but a back up quarterback.

Norg
10-14-2013, 02:31 PM
its not like we are competive and losing close games

we are getting blown out in what I call old fashion taken to the wood shed

Of course he has to take some of the blame he has not been 100 on 100 on picking players and getting players to sign here at a reasonable price

u know why teams get into cap problems and lose games cuz of it WE PAY THE WRONG PLAYERS !!! or bring in the wrong F/a and they don't pan out

didn't KUbes and RIck come in has a package from Denver


If one guyz I don't see whay not BOTH HAVE 2 go

if that rumor is true that peyton was interested in coming to Houston but rick didn't want to pay him and he wanted to stick with his GUY Schaub then that's a roll of the dice he obvs lossed

that's what GM and front office is Roll of the dice and decision making

and RICK has made to many wrong decision esp for a big city football team like this that might fly in smaller town teams but around here I would hope our goal is to win SB and stuff like this WONT FLY

eriadoc
10-14-2013, 02:33 PM
How much credit do you give Smith for finding talent? How much do you think Kubiak is behind finding and coaching up the UDFAs? How well do you really think this team has drafted mid-round? If Rick Smith drafted a guy like Russell Wilson, would he be starting here? And would he even draft a guy like that without Kubiak's direction?

I think the most consolidated part of the team is Smithiak.

Norg
10-14-2013, 02:35 PM
How much credit do you give Smith for finding talent? How much do you think Kubiak is behind finding and coaching up the UDFAs? How well do you really think this team has drafted mid-round? If Rick Smith drafted a guy like Russell Wilson, would he be starting here? And would he even draft a guy like that without Kubiak's direction?

I think the most consolidated part of the team is Smithiak.


I bet a lot of these recent Picks have been wade phill picks

chicagotexan2
10-14-2013, 02:37 PM
I'm not nearly as down on Rick smith as Kubiak. Yes I'm sure Kubiak has a lot of input when it comes to drafting players but smith has helped assemble a lot of talent. Maybe I'm wrong but I think the problem lies mainly with Kubiak and Schaub. Now if he were to say 'me and Kubiak are a package deal' then McNair has to tell him 'don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you'.

Blake
10-14-2013, 02:37 PM
There is plenty of blame for everyone.

HJam72
10-14-2013, 02:39 PM
I never see or here from Smith or Kubiak at the same time, such as in the same room. I think they are the same person. I don't know if it's a white guy wearing black or a black guy wearing white, but it's the same guy. Trust me. :fingergun:

GACK SMITHIAK :specnatz:

Thorn
10-14-2013, 02:40 PM
If the Texans clean house from top to bottom, that means starting all over. Who knows what kind of systems the new regime will put in. But there is lots of talent on this team, a good GM and head coach can make the Texans competitive again next year.

Dishman
10-14-2013, 02:41 PM
Is there a short list of GM candidates with good cap management and player/staff eval skills?

Ktexan68
10-14-2013, 02:42 PM
He absolutely deserves a good share of the blame. His poor cap mgmt has us under such heavy contraints every season as if we are a multiple sb chamption, not a team who hasn't advanced past the division round. His draft picks in the first round have been very good, but in the lower rounds, not so much.

TexanBacker93
10-14-2013, 03:10 PM
its not like we are competive and losing close games

we are getting blown out in what I call old fashion taken to the wood shed

Of course he has to take some of the blame he has not been 100 on 100 on picking players and getting players to sign here at a reasonable price

u know why teams get into cap problems and lose games cuz of it WE PAY THE WRONG PLAYERS !!! or bring in the wrong F/a and they don't pan out

didn't KUbes and RIck come in has a package from Denver


If one guyz I don't see whay not BOTH HAVE 2 go

if that rumor is true that peyton was interested in coming to Houston but rick didn't want to pay him and he wanted to stick with his GUY Schaub then that's a roll of the dice he obvs lossed

that's what GM and front office is Roll of the dice and decision making

and RICK has made to many wrong decision esp for a big city football team like this that might fly in smaller town teams but around here I would hope our goal is to win SB and stuff like this WONT FLY

I think it was more likely that Gary didn't want to give up on his guy or turn over the offense to a QB that would need more control. He's an antiquated offensive coach running an offense that has been bypassed. Heck, we're basically one step up from the Woody Hayes offense.

While Smith isn't perfect, our talent level here is much better than it was prior to him coming. Before Smith we had 1 player on the team (Johnson) that could be a star or even contribute on any other team. We have talent, we just aren't getting the most out of them. I'd see how we works with a better HC first.

TexanBacker93
10-14-2013, 03:12 PM
If the Texans clean house from top to bottom, that means starting all over. Who knows what kind of systems the new regime will put in. But there is lots of talent on this team, a good GM and head coach can make the Texans competitive again next year.

Exactly. The talent that is here can succeed in any scheme. JJ could be even better as a 4-3 DE. Cushing can play inside or outside in a 4-3. Andre, Foster, Daniels, Graham, Brown would all be just fine in a spread offense or something a little more current.

kingtexan
10-14-2013, 03:31 PM
Who did we draft after Casserly, and before Wade that has been considered a great acquisition? Those are the only players Smith can lay claim to, with the exception of Hopkins, who in my opinion was a no-brainer if you knew you were going WR, and the few offensive players we have acquired.

Who has Rick himself actually been responsible for?

Dutchrudder
10-14-2013, 03:39 PM
Who did we draft after Casserly, and before Wade that has been considered a great acquisition? Those are the only players Smith can lay claim to, with the exception of Hopkins, who in my opinion was a no-brainer if you knew you were going WR, and the few offensive players we have acquired.

Who has Rick himself actually been responsible for?

Depends on how you look at it. Duane Brown was a good pick at #26. Getting Arian Foster as a UDFA on an unusual 2 year deal was a good pickup. Late round guys like Glover Quin and Brice McCain were good picks. James Casey in the 5th, though misused by Kubiak, was a good pick. Now how many of those were "Rick's guys" is TBD.

Problem is, that's 5 guys I can think of out of about 30 picks...

gafftop
10-14-2013, 03:41 PM
Hell yes.
1. GK extended
2. MS signed as QB
3. Cap hell

kingtexan
10-14-2013, 04:16 PM
Depends on how you look at it. Duane Brown was a good pick at #26. Getting Arian Foster as a UDFA on an unusual 2 year deal was a good pickup. Late round guys like Glover Quin and Brice McCain were good picks. James Casey in the 5th, though misused by Kubiak, was a good pick. Now how many of those were "Rick's guys" is TBD.

Problem is, that's 5 guys I can think of out of about 30 picks...

Agree on Brown. Foster was a product of Tate getting injured, otherwise we may have never known what he could contribute. Quin (gone), McCain (ok, but not great), Casey (gone). If we couldn't keep them which is also the responsibility of the GM, I cant give Rick credit for them.

steelbtexan
10-14-2013, 04:28 PM
As I've said in other threads,

Whoever signed off on the Schaub extention should be fired.

Rick has just been OK at picking players. If that's his job. What really is Rick's job now that I think of it? Nobody really knows. For some reason Rick seems to keep the Texans in salary cap hell every yr, if that's his job.

eriadoc
10-14-2013, 04:45 PM
I'm still ticked that they got rid of Winston and Ryans with no apparent plan for succession. Ryans + Cushing was a damn sight better than anything they've put out there since, and Newton will never be as good as Winston, who wasn't even a Pro Bowl caliber RT.

hradhak
10-14-2013, 04:48 PM
I'm not sure that Rick SMith deserves credit for Foster. Arian is on record as saying that he went to the Texans because the Texans depth chart at running back was anemic and so he came here when an offer was made (amongst like 3 offers)

That said, maybe you can credit Rick Smith with assembling a crappy set of running backs to make Arian wanna come here

Wolf
10-14-2013, 04:52 PM
Hindsight is 20/20

After the draft and locking up foster and Cushing I thought Rick was doing good


I thought the price of locking of Schaub was good compared to what romo get paid

Schaub has failed miserably and so the wheels come off

Runner
10-14-2013, 04:53 PM
I'm still ticked that they got rid of Winston and Ryans with no apparent plan for succession. Ryans + Cushing was a damn sight better than anything they've put out there since, and Newton will never be as good as Winston, who wasn't even a Pro Bowl caliber RT.

They didn't need a plan; they had an excuse. Salary cap reasons.

Smith's inability to proactively manage the cap to keep good players is certainly showing up on the o-line this season. On the other hand, players like Jacoby Jones and Schaub got to cash some big checks

Dutchrudder
10-14-2013, 04:59 PM
Agree on Brown. Foster was a product of Tate getting injured, otherwise we may have never known what he could contribute. Quin (gone), McCain (ok, but not great), Casey (gone). If we couldn't keep them which is also the responsibility of the GM, I cant give Rick credit for them.

Well they were drafted under Rick Smith, which is what the original question was. Just because the team doesn't keep them around doesn't mean we didn't draft them and get some use out of them. Quin was good for a 4th round pick, McCain was a 6 or 7th round pick, and was good value. Casey could have been a lot more if we didn't lose Vonta Leach, but for a 5th it's a good pick. Cushing was also a great pick under Rick, pre-Wade Phillips, but that's a 1st rounder and should be expected.

The main problem with this team's drafting is that we just haven't hit on many 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounders. Those are the guys that should be solid starters and some that evolve into above average players. We just haven't found great players in those rounds. Throughout the entire Texans history, there have only been two 2nd and 3rd round picks that have been to a pro-bowl: Demeco Ryans and Jacoby Jones.

Dutchrudder
10-14-2013, 05:02 PM
Hindsight is 20/20

After the draft and locking up foster and Cushing I thought Rick was doing good


I thought the price of locking of Schaub was good compared to what romo get paid

Schaub has failed miserably and so the wheels come off

I'd gladly take Romo over Schaub any day. He can move and extend plays, and he keeps fighting, even when making dumb mistakes. He's not nearly the mental midget Schaub is, he doesn't collapse under scrutiny.

Trail.Blazr
10-14-2013, 05:14 PM
Is there a short list of GM candidates with good cap management and player/staff eval skills?

It's a real short list. In fact there's only one qualified worth consideration IMHO!

Sincerely,

Charley Casserly :superman:

The Third Man
10-14-2013, 07:44 PM
I'm still ticked that they got rid of Winston and Ryans with no apparent plan for succession. Ryans + Cushing was a damn sight better than anything they've put out there since, and Newton will never be as good as Winston, who wasn't even a Pro Bowl caliber RT.

There is this thing called a salary cap. Jackie Butler was the swing tackle they planned on inserting to replace Winston and he got hurt. It was not a bad plan at all, but it didn't work out. If you want to *****, complain about Ed Reed's signing over Glover Quinn. That has sucked.