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silvrhand
10-14-2013, 07:58 AM
Does anyone know if there was something wrong with JJ Watt this weekend like allergies/sick/etc? Was he listed for anything on the injury list? After his first hit on the QB early after that he went pretty much numb, and that's really concerning.

TheIronDuke
10-14-2013, 08:05 AM
Also concerning he didn't even record a single tackle in the game. What happened to all the swatted passes? 20/20/20? He sure has built a great brand but he isn't nearly as dominant as he was last season. Of course I understand he's getting double-teamed a lot more now but he used to at least get his hands up to swat balls.

IDEXAN
10-14-2013, 08:22 AM
The way Watt is going he won't even hit double digits on sacks by year end, so this up coming offseason will work out good for resigning him to a new contract as he and his agent will be bargaining with much less leverage as compared to what it would have been like after the '12 season.

infantrycak
10-14-2013, 08:24 AM
Funny, Seth Payne said he thinks JJ is being even more dominant this year.

Rey
10-14-2013, 08:41 AM
Funny, Seth Payne said he thinks JJ is being even more dominant this year.

He also says Schaub is not a good qb and not likely to get this team where they want to go.

Funny I've never seen you bring that up.

As far as watts body language, it's not just him. When you're getting embarrassed at home by a team that most think isn't that great you sulk a little. It's human nature.

IDEXAN
10-14-2013, 08:44 AM
Funny, Seth Payne said he thinks JJ is being even more dominant this year.
Surely not after yesterdays peformance ?
Nevertheless, the stats aren't there as they were last fyear, and few factors have as much to do with compensation in the NFL as stats, whether it's pics for DBs, TDs/yards-completed for WR, or sacks for Dlineman.
Trust me, at this rate Watt won't be as expensive for the Texans as he could have been.

eriadoc
10-14-2013, 08:46 AM
He got in the backfield a few times but whiffed on the running back. I think he had more missed tackles than tackles yesterday. But he was getting penetration, so the notion that he isn't winning battles is silly. He just didn't finish. It would be nice to see someone else take advantage of the fact that they're getting less attention because of all the extra attention paid to Watt and maybe HELP OUT. Make an offense pick their poison.

TexanBacker93
10-14-2013, 08:46 AM
Also concerning he didn't even record a single tackle in the game. What happened to all the swatted passes? 20/20/20? He sure has built a great brand but he isn't nearly as dominant as he was last season. Of course I understand he's getting double-teamed a lot more now but he used to at least get his hands up to swat balls.

Hard to get batted balls and sacks when the other teams don't have to throw in the 2nd half. He does have 3 swats which is still tied for the league lead from a DL. He's not going to get 20. Teams will prepare for that. I think he's been a factor and while maybe not as dominant as last year I'm not really concerned with his play. The schemes and play calls are beating us. I think we're too undisciplined and that's hurting us. Statistically we're still the #1 D in the NFL by a large margin, but I don't think there's a person on the planet that actually thinks we are the best right now. We don't get the stops when we need them. We have talented players that aren't in the correct position to make the plays.

Rey
10-14-2013, 08:47 AM
Also concerning he didn't even record a single tackle in the game. What happened to all the swatted passes? 20/20/20? He sure has built a great brand but he isn't nearly as dominant as he was last season. Of course I understand he's getting double-teamed a lot more now but he used to at least get his hands up to swat balls.

He's getting penetration like every other play it seems like. The stats aren't there, but watt looks better than he did last year. He looks more explosive. But he's got more bodies hanging off of him trying to keep him from making plays.

I distinctly remember two instances yesterday where watt blew the play up and Cushing and Antonio were the benefactors.

HOU-TEX
10-14-2013, 08:52 AM
Teams are getting away with chipping, double and triple teaming Watt because the remainder of our front can be blocked one on one. Long didn't need any help with Mercilus. Saffold (iirc) had the day off blocking Reed

Our entire defense was bad..very bad.

Mr teX
10-14-2013, 08:55 AM
nothing wrong with JJ, He and Brooks Reed are the only guys on the team i believe who have only known making the playoffs. As a motor guy seeing double teams constantly & watching this team implode, he's just frustrated.

ubecool454
10-14-2013, 09:45 AM
Does anyone know if there was something wrong with JJ Watt this weekend like allergies/sick/etc? Was he listed for anything on the injury list? After his first hit on the QB early after that he went pretty much numb, and that's really concerning.

My seats are on the field...the Rams Oline is what what happened to JJ. Those guys were huge and I mean all of them. Those guys average 6'5" and 315. I think Dahl was the smallest one and he isn't small at all. Their oline was just to good because I really didn't know much about those little RBs they had but they got it done.

Vinny
10-14-2013, 10:35 AM
JJ is getting an incredible amount of attention. Problem is, nobody else is beating their man enough. When you take the double teams from the edge rushers and nobody can get to the QB, then your edge rushers are garbage.

silvrhand
10-14-2013, 10:57 AM
Let's be clear here, I'm not talking about JJ's performance I'm talking about his body language and if he was really into the game yesterday at all? Seems like once we went down 10-0, they were out of the game.

Over the course of the game we normally see.

- JJ interacting with the crowd during commercial timeouts
- JJ pumping and up and getting his teammates going.
- JJ's normal intensity and mean streak coming through.

He didn't seem to have any of that yesterday at all. We didn't even see that from Antonio Smith at all either, very odd game from a defensive standpoint.

Vinny
10-14-2013, 11:02 AM
Let's be clear here, I'm not talking about JJ's performance I'm talking about his body language and if he was really into the game yesterday at all? Seems like once we went down 10-0, they were out of the game.

Over the course of the game we normally see.

- JJ interacting with the crowd during commercial timeouts
- JJ pumping and up and getting his teammates going.
- JJ's normal intensity and mean streak coming through.

He didn't seem to have any of that yesterday at all. We didn't even see that from Antonio Smith at all either, very odd game from a defensive standpoint. The body language for the entire team is awful....it starts with Gary "schleprock" Kubiak and rolls downhill. Football is an emotional game and Kubiak has been telling everyone who will listen that we are sad sacks. A good attitude is contagious just like a bad attitude diseases minds. Attitude determines altitude. Kewbs doesn't get that.

silvrhand
10-14-2013, 11:09 AM
The body language for the entire team is awful....it starts with Gary "schleprock" Kubiak and rolls downhill. Football is an emotional game and Kubiak has been telling everyone who will listen that we are sad sacks. A good attitude is contagious just like a bad attitude diseases minds. Attitude determines altitude. Kewbs doesn't get that.

Agreed 100%, I just hadn't seen it hit this bad on a player that I thought might be impervious to this sort of thing. I guess even the best get down, and I should remember the fact that Barry Sanders (my favorite player of all time) walked away from the game because of it.

:bag:

Norg
10-14-2013, 12:04 PM
I didn't re watch the game but I guess he just got beat physically

I don't know who the St Louis guard is but heck he must be really good

chicagotexan2
10-14-2013, 02:45 PM
JJ is getting an incredible amount of attention. Problem is, nobody else is beating their man enough. When you take the double teams from the edge rushers and nobody can get to the QB, then your edge rushers are garbage.

I agree but is that the players or wade not scheming to take advantage of the situations? I thought wade was known for his exotic and confusing blitz packages? I guess they are only exotic and confusing to our defense.

Vinny
10-14-2013, 02:52 PM
I agree but is that the players or wade not scheming to take advantage of the situations? I thought wade was known for his exotic and confusing blitz packages? I guess they are only exotic and confusing to our defense. straight man, vanilla d with some line stunts...that's mostly what I see. He's not trying to confuse the QB much it seems to me. It's almost like he thinks they have so much talent they don't have to anything but play their techniques well and they should have you whipped.

Honoring Earl 34
10-14-2013, 02:59 PM
straight man, vanilla d with some line stunts...that's mostly what I see. He's not trying to confuse the QB much it seems to me. It's almost like he thinks they have so much talent they don't have to anything but play their techniques well and they should have you whipped.

They play a bend then break defense . Like a fishing pole that if taxed enough , by the fish , snaps and lets it free .

The team takes after the owner , coach , and so on . You see more enthusiasm in a library . :spin:

Blake
10-14-2013, 03:09 PM
I dont know whats going on in his head either, but I did not see any crowd pumping going on. Although the game got out of hand early. Maybe he just reached his frustration level too.

chicagotexan2
10-14-2013, 03:32 PM
straight man, vanilla d with some line stunts...that's mostly what I see. He's not trying to confuse the QB much it seems to me. It's almost like he thinks they have so much talent they don't have to anything but play their techniques well and they should have you whipped.

Damn I was only referring to the front 7, but why they insist on man to man coverage when Joseph is playing poorly is juat as baffling. How did we get to this point? Whatever mystery any part of this team had is gone. Predictability is written all over.

Double Barrel
10-14-2013, 04:35 PM
When you're on a losing team, you cannot help but take on the persona of a loser just by osmosis.

Obviously JJ Watt is anything but a loser, but I can understand the helpless feeling that no matter what he does out there, he is still on a sinking ship right now.

We used to see frustration and anger on his face a couple of weeks ago. Now he just looks like he's tired of it and seems resigned to the fate of the team. Nobody seems to be showing much fire out there, except for maybe Cushing. He has that permanent scowl thing working with this face, even when he's happy.

guichows6
10-14-2013, 08:16 PM
JJ hates his headcoach and qb. Not as people but as his leaders. Read between the lines:fingergun:

Gotta Know
10-14-2013, 11:23 PM
How about this explanation:

JJ has played his guts out for this team. He was under the false assumption (like a lot of fans) that his team was as committed to excellence as he is.

He has consistently done his job. He has become the primary focus of the opposition offense. They have double and triple teamed him. They have chipped, grabbed, held, and face punched him. Yet he still causes problems. Offensive coordinators are doing anything they can to take him out of the equation and daring the other Houston defenders to step up.

Reality hit hard right after the niners game. This team is no where near as good as he hoped/believed. Remember this is only his third year in the NFL. He really had no reference point. He also witnessed, for the first time, the true colors of some of the Houston sports fans.

JJ doesn't appear to be motivated by money. He already has enough to live a nice Midwest lifestyle for the rest of his life. His personal standards are high. He doesn't tolerate mediocrity. He has goals for his team and himself.

Maybe he realizes his prime years will be a mirror of Andre's. Stuck in a mediocre organization waiting for the team to take "the next step".

JJ is a Texan based on being drafted, his contract, and the NFL labor agreement. How would you feel if you were in his position?

Super passionate about your job, busting your butt, only to have your company swirling the drain and nobody able to stop the flush.

Compound that by being indentured for possibly the next four years (a large portion of an NFL players career) and it's pretty easy to see what might be happening in his mind.

Sure he'll be well paid, but money is not what drives JJ. He's a smart guy. He sees the handwriting on the wall and the message sucks.

MEGA SWATT
10-14-2013, 11:40 PM
How about this explanation:

JJ has played his guts out for this team. He was under the false assumption (like a lot of fans) that his team was as committed to excellence as he is.

He has consistently done his job. He has become the primary focus of the opposition offense. They have double and triple teamed him. They have chipped, grabbed, held, and face punched him. Yet he still causes problems. Offensive coordinators are doing anything they can to take him out of the equation and daring the other Houston defenders to step up.

Reality hit hard right after the niners game. This team is no where near as good as he hoped/believed. Remember this is only his third year in the NFL. He really had no reference point. He also witnessed, for the first time, the true colors of some of the Houston sports fans.

JJ doesn't appear to be motivated by money. He already has enough to live a nice Midwest lifestyle for the rest of his life. His personal standards are high. He doesn't tolerate mediocrity. He has goals for his team and himself.

Maybe he realizes his prime years will be a mirror of Andre's. Stuck in a mediocre organization waiting for the team to take "the next step".

JJ is a Texan based on being drafted, his contract, and the NFL labor agreement. How would you feel if you were in his position?

Super passionate about your job, busting your butt, only to have your company swirling the drain and nobody able to stop the flush.

Compound that by being indentured for possibly the next four years (a large portion of an NFL players career) and it's pretty easy to see what might be happening in his mind.

Sure he'll be well paid, but money is not what drives JJ. He's a smart guy. He sees the handwriting on the wall and the message sucks.


You sir, hit a Grand Slam with that post! :swatter::swatter:

cbs1507
10-15-2013, 12:18 AM
This is a overreaction. It's just one game (and he didn't play terrible). It's pretty hard to get sacks when you're getting your ass beat in 3 out of the last 4 weeks. Not many opportunities to rush the QB, especially since teams have been gashing us in the run game lately. I understand he had one of the greatest year of all time for his position last year. Most likely won't repeat it. But he still has 56 tackles (48 solo) and 5.5 sacks. But we haven't played half the season yet. Besides 56 tackle not far off from the 81 (69 solo) he had last year. He's on pace to beat that (which is remarkable considering what position he plays). JJ's still JJ relax.

Bulls on Parade
10-15-2013, 12:34 AM
Funny, Seth Payne said he thinks JJ is being even more dominant this year.
He absolutely is. Not much he can do with two guys chipping away at him every play. And he's still getting some good penetration. It's up to to the other guys to win their one-on-one battles.

infantrycak
10-15-2013, 12:52 AM
He absolutely is. Not much he can do with two guys chipping away at him every play. And he's still getting some good penetration. It's up to to the other guys to win their one-on-one battles.

So far this season the Texans have faced 137 passing attempts.

At this point in 2012 they had faced 205 passing attempts.

That combined with the Texans not putting the opponents in obvious passing situations is limiting his opportunities.

BigBull17
10-16-2013, 08:35 AM
Teams are getting away with chipping, double and triple teaming Watt because the remainder of our front can be blocked one on one. Long didn't need any help with Mercilus. Saffold (iirc) had the day off blocking Reed

Our entire defense was bad..very bad.

Or unblocked. Brooks Reed is just too slow to get there.

HOU-TEX
10-16-2013, 04:22 PM
Lmao! This is Awesome! Love this cat

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 15m
J.J. Watt walks the to podium and just starts talking about the #Chiefs without being asked a question. Finished and walked off.

Deepi Sidhu ‏@DeepSlant 16m
JJ Watt took no questions. Just made a quick statement and left. "Words don't win games, work does. I am going to get back to work."

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli 17m
"Words don't win games, work does," Watt says as he talks for about a minute straight. Takes no questions and walks out. #Texans

Lambert
10-16-2013, 04:24 PM
This is a overreaction. It's just one game (and he didn't play terrible). It's pretty hard to get sacks when you're getting your ass beat in 3 out of the last 4 weeks. Not many opportunities to rush the QB, especially since teams have been gashing us in the run game lately. I understand he had one of the greatest year of all time for his position last year. Most likely won't repeat it. But he still has 56 tackles (48 solo) and 5.5 sacks. But we haven't played half the season yet. Besides 56 tackle not far off from the 81 (69 solo) he had last year. He's on pace to beat that (which is remarkable considering what position he plays). JJ's still JJ relax.

J.J. Watt, 2013, through 6 regular season games: 28 tackles, 20 solo, 8 assists, 3.5 sacks.

Vinny
10-16-2013, 04:38 PM
JJ having worse stats is expected since teams play him differently this season. What is telling is when you have one guy absorb that much attention in the middle of the line you expect your edge rushers to beat one on one matchups on the edge and you expect the other linemen to excel because there are not enough offensive linemen to double anyone else.

Reed sets the edge well but he doesn't rush the passer well. Whitney Mercilus is great in pursuit and down line but he doesn't set the edge well and is an inconsistent pass rusher. Sharpton/Mays can't shed a block and are good back up players but not starting caliber. Earl isn't a two gapper so he can be single blocked fairly easily.

Lambert
10-16-2013, 04:40 PM
Or unblocked. Brooks Reed is just too slow to get there.

http://cover32.com/texans/2013/10/15/week-6-game-balls-texans-winners/