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mussop
10-13-2013, 03:06 PM
Like I have been saying, it's the scheme and coaching.

Moderator please change the title to say. It's not just Schaub.

Mr teX
10-13-2013, 03:08 PM
Like I have been saying, it's the scheme and coaching.

You'll get no argument from me......now all we need is for keenum to get some reps so people can place the blame exclusively where it should be...

mussop
10-13-2013, 03:09 PM
I love this Tim Ryan guy. Telling it like it is.

Tailgate
10-13-2013, 03:10 PM
Yea. The house of cards Kubiak has built has come crashing down in violent fashion. Its all over for him.

ATXtexanfan
10-13-2013, 03:11 PM
Like I have been saying, it's the scheme and coaching.

Lol. Scheme coaching and the QB

tedr
10-13-2013, 03:11 PM
Yea. The house of cards Kubiak has built has come crashing down in violent fashion. Its all over for him.

It won't happen, but Bob should fire him tonight.

Rey
10-13-2013, 03:12 PM
Oh yeah. It's definitely the qb. Along with everything else.

But you can tell it's not the qb till you turn blue, if the coach is fired, the new coach isn't keeping schaub.

bOODRO87
10-13-2013, 03:14 PM
New Head Coach and 1st round pick QB. Coming soon to a stadium near you.

mussop
10-13-2013, 03:21 PM
Oh yeah. It's definitely the qb. Along with everything else.

But you can tell it's not the qb till you turn blue, if the coach is fired, the new coach isn't keeping schaub.

Oh I'm not saying Schaub isn't a factor. I'm just saying this teams biggest problems are coaching and scheme.

WolverineFan
10-13-2013, 03:22 PM
It's always been Kubiak. I've been saying it for years. He should have been fired 3 years ago.

midway
10-13-2013, 03:26 PM
It's the QB.

But it's not JUST the QB.

Mr teX
10-13-2013, 03:29 PM
A thorough house cleaning is in order...

gafftop
10-13-2013, 03:41 PM
The QB is not to be absolved from the problem the Texans are having.
I do not want a new coach and the same QB.
I want everything new.

fiasco west
10-13-2013, 03:44 PM
The QB sucks too.

Just because Yates goes in there and throws two dumb INTs it just means he's not much better (if any at all) than Schaub.

Lets not forget all of the fumbles this team has had (and usually in the redzone) it's a BUNCH of issues.

You don't get to be a 2-4 team and just have one thing that ails you.

Mr teX
10-13-2013, 03:44 PM
The QB is not to be absolved from the problem the Texans are having.
I do not want a new coach and the same QB.
I want everything new.

I think everyone who lays the blame for this team mostly on Kubiak and want a new HC assume that whomever takes over as HC will be bringing in their own guy at qb...its understood at this point.

DocBar
10-13-2013, 03:52 PM
This offense has been predictable since Kyle Shanahan left. That young man could call a game.

I'm all for keeping Smith and getting a new coaching staff immediately. If not sooner. I just hope the guy isn't name Lane Kiffen.

kingtexan
10-13-2013, 03:53 PM
Its absolutely the QB, and the HC, and the GM, and the Owner.

Mr teX
10-13-2013, 03:54 PM
This offense has been predictable since Kyle Shanahan left. That young man could call a game.

I'm all for keeping Smith and getting a new coaching staff immediately. If not sooner. I just hope the guy isn't name Lane Kiffen.

Or....

norv turner

Or....

Lovie smith

fiasco west
10-13-2013, 04:00 PM
Its absolutely the QB, and the HC, and the GM, and the Owner.

The owner has nothing to do with how the team's playing.

DerekLee1
10-13-2013, 04:20 PM
Kubiak is calling safe plays to try and give his QBs confidence. The problem is they're still screwing THOSE up. He can't go out there and play the game for them. The plays are there and the QBs aren't making them. There were open receivers on both of Yates' interceptions and he missed them. There were open receivers on every one of Schaub's 3rd and outs, and he just missed them. Neither one of them sees the field. It's time for new blood at QB. Yates is and always was a Schaub clone.

DexmanC
10-13-2013, 04:24 PM
Like I have been saying, it's the scheme and coaching.


Coach Kubiak needs to find a way to get Keenum on the field, then scheme a gameplan to victory.

chicagotexan2
10-13-2013, 04:28 PM
New Head Coach and 1st round pick QB. Coming soon to a stadium near you.

That's the only silver lining.

MEGA SWATT
10-13-2013, 04:30 PM
It's the coach and the QB

DX-TEX
10-13-2013, 04:31 PM
ND Kalu got it right on 790: When your HC is playing it safe to protect your QB that is a very bad thought process to have in the NFL. In the back of the players minds they are thinking "When will it happen again...." and they brace themselves while making mental errors. Its human nature.

So yes it is all on Schaubiak. They are both one at this point and they are dragging the team down with him.


PERIOD

/thread

ziggy29
10-13-2013, 04:32 PM
It's the coach and the QB

In that order. I think the coach's vanilla, predictable tendencies on offense make any QB look worse.

gafftop
10-13-2013, 04:37 PM
Kubiak is calling safe plays to try and give his QBs confidence. The problem is they're still screwing THOSE up. He can't go out there and play the game for them. The plays are there and the QBs aren't making them. There were open receivers on both of Yates' interceptions and he missed them. There were open receivers on every one of Schaub's 3rd and outs, and he just missed them. Neither one of them sees the field. It's time for new blood at QB. Yates is and always was a Schaub clone.

I agree. Been saying the same thing weeks ago.

MEGA SWATT
10-13-2013, 04:39 PM
Duplicate

MEGA SWATT
10-13-2013, 04:40 PM
Coach Kubiak needs to find a way to get Keenum on the field, then scheme a gameplan to victory.

He needs to throw away his Denny's menu and get a IHOP menu

Norg
10-13-2013, 04:45 PM
Well........... Now what LOL :texflag:

Hervoyel
10-13-2013, 04:50 PM
It's the QB.

But it's not JUST the QB.

This sums it up nicely.

Texn4life
10-13-2013, 04:53 PM
Without looking, we have to be the worst in the league in turnover margin. We don't force any and gladly give the other team plenty.

infantrycak
10-13-2013, 04:57 PM
Without looking, we have to be the worst in the league in turnover margin. We don't force any and gladly give the other team plenty.

The Giants were 8 ahead of us going into this game. Pittsburgh had 3 more with a bye.

Norg
10-13-2013, 04:58 PM
Ahhh ok coach speak

"We got beat in all three phases of the game Offensive Defense and SPecial Teams"


LOL

Texn4life
10-13-2013, 05:01 PM
The Giants were 8 ahead of us going into this game. Pittsburgh had 3 more with a bye.

So we're 30th? Definitely not a recipe for success.

OzzO
10-13-2013, 05:03 PM
Ahhh ok coach speak

"We got beat in all three phases of the game Offensive Defense and SPecial Teams"


LOL

Well, he did mention last week he had more pressing issues than quarterback.

Rey
10-13-2013, 05:16 PM
We have to be done with Matt. Have to. Not a kubiak fan, but their love affair has to end. It's not healthy for the kids.

We can fire kubiak at years end. But right now, McNair needs to give direct orders to leave Schaub on the sideline.

Premier
10-13-2013, 05:19 PM
i dont know whats a bigger risk, drafting every year to hide your qbs liabilities or drafting high reward qbs every couple years until you hit.. weve wasted 7 years building around schaub and still really nothing to show for it. when teams like indy suck for 1 year than turn their franchise around drafting a high risk high reward qb..

when it comes to coaches, i would rather have a coach who is a leader of men than an x's & o's "guru." you have coordinators to handle that..

hradhak
10-13-2013, 05:25 PM
This team has a lot more talent than their record would indicate.

I think without a coaching change you aren't going to maximize the potential of that talent. That said McNair is going to wait to do anything, if at all.

DocBar
10-13-2013, 05:26 PM
Coach Kubiak needs to find a way to get Keenum on the field, then scheme a gameplan to victory.

You mean the head coach can't just make a decision, he has to find a way? Maybe Kubiak should just name Keenum the starter and let his OC call the freaking game.

leebigeztx
10-13-2013, 05:30 PM
This offense has been predictable since Kyle Shanahan left. That young man could call a game.

I'm all for keeping Smith and getting a new coaching staff immediately. If not sooner. I just hope the guy isn't name Lane Kiffen.


Yep. Lil Shanny and Knapp leaving. Not only that,the lack of speed inside the scheme. They don't have enough explosive players at the skill positions on offense. AJ runs pretty good,but he's an intermediate threat.Hopkins is a jump ball type of guy.None of the te's are vertical threats. So what you have is a plodding offense with a defense and special team playing bad.

TexanBacker93
10-13-2013, 05:33 PM
It is and has always been Kubiak.

His schemes.

His plays.

His offense.

His coordinators and coaches.

Schaub's confidence is shot and a coaching change won't fix him. A new coach and a new QB will have to be brought in to fix this. This team has too much talent to be struggling like this.

Thorn
10-13-2013, 05:36 PM
As long as Kubiak is the head coach we'll continue having these discussions.

DocBar
10-13-2013, 05:36 PM
I'm not in favor of a wholesale coaching change. Mayans elevate Phillips and let Dennison call the offense.

If we do that, we might as well see what Keenum has to offer. It would be real interesting to see what Phillips thinks of Keenum.

leebigeztx
10-13-2013, 05:47 PM
I'm not in favor of a wholesale coaching change. Mayans elevate Phillips and let Dennison call the offense.

If we do that, we might as well see what Keenum has to offer. It would be real interesting to see what Phillips thinks of Keenum.

If wades defense was playing well,I would agree,but their not.They can't stop a nose bleed right now and wade playing with small ngs and run blitzing has killed the defense. Last I checked,dennison calls the plays. Like I've said before,keenum isn't the answer. He doesn't have the so called upside people on this board want to believe.

gafftop
10-13-2013, 05:49 PM
I'm not in favor of a wholesale coaching change. Mayans elevate Phillips and let Dennison call the offense. If we do that, we might as well see what Keenum has to offer. It would be real interesting to see what Phillips thinks of Keenum.

Our front office reminds me of Pappy O'Daniels and his staff in "O Brother Where art Thou" Nothing but yes men. No original ideas. No real discussion. Dennison is the one that doesn't really want to be hear. Seriously.
This is just what I see on the outside. Obviously don't know for sure.

EllisUnit
10-13-2013, 05:51 PM
If wades defense was playing well,I would agree,but their not.They can't stop a nose bleed right now and wade playing with small ngs and run blitzing has killed the defense. Last I checked,dennison calls the plays. Like I've said before,keenum isn't the answer. He doesn't have the so called upside people on this board want to believe.

Give Keenum a shot before you make this judgment, there are quite a few future HOFers whom people said the same crap about.

Sometimes the will to win can make up for lack of talent/physical attributes, and Keenum has that will to win.

Lucky
10-13-2013, 06:04 PM
Like I've said before,keenum isn't the answer. He doesn't have the so called upside people on this board want to believe.
You've said that. I think others would still like to see for themselves rather than take your word.

hradhak
10-13-2013, 06:16 PM
I don't know that keenum is the answer. I can say with certainty that the qb play this season has been terrible. I'd rather we give keenum a shot to find out what we have than not know.


The chances that keenum is the next Brady are pretty low. But they are non zero which is more I can say for yates

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Mr teX
10-13-2013, 06:19 PM
I don't know that keenum is the answer. I can say with certainty that the qb play this season has been terrible. I'd rather we give keenum a shot to find out what we have than not know.


The chances that keenum is the next Brady are pretty low. But they are non zero which is more I can say for yates

Sent from my SPH-L900 using Tapatalk 2

Yeah well, my chances of hitting the mega millions are non zero too...

tedr
10-13-2013, 06:40 PM
I just read an article on Chron.com that basically stated the Rams studied film and had a pretty good idea what play the Texans were going to run on Yates' pick-six. This goes along with what the Seahawks said a couple of games ago.

They might have just been saying this, but it seems to me that our offensive predictability, along with meltdowns other places, is absolutely killing us. Is Kubiak not capable of doing something different, or is he just stubborn?

Anyway, the title of this thread says it all.

SchaubApologist
10-13-2013, 06:49 PM
Like I have been saying, it's the scheme and coaching.

Moderator please change the title to say. It's not just Schaub.

Is this really thread worthy? :goodpost:

SchaubApologist
10-13-2013, 06:52 PM
We have to be done with Matt. Have to. Not a kubiak fan, but their love affair has to end. It's not healthy for the kids.

We can fire kubiak at years end. But right now, McNair needs to give direct orders to leave Schaub on the sideline.

I disagree.

Schaub gives us our best chance to lose. Maybe we can fail our way into Boyd.

PHILLYTEXANFAN
10-13-2013, 06:56 PM
I disagree.

Schaub gives us our best chance to lose. Maybe we can fail our way into Boyd.

I say fail into Clowney, get QB in rd 2. Or jake matthews in first, still sucking at that rt spot

Vinny
10-13-2013, 06:58 PM
I just read an article on Chron.com that basically stated the Rams studied film and had a pretty good idea what play the Texans were going to run on Yates' pick-six. This goes along with what the Seahawks said a couple of games ago.

They might have just been saying this, but it seems to me that our offensive predictability, along with meltdowns other places, is absolutely killing us. Is Kubiak not capable of doing something different, or is he just stubborn?

Anyway, the title of this thread says it all.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2228837&postcount=1514

SchaubApologist
10-13-2013, 07:03 PM
I say fail into Clowney, get QB in rd 2. Or jake matthews in first, still sucking at that rt spot

Hell no. Franchise QB, first and foremost.

No more BS'ing around.

thunderkyss
10-13-2013, 07:09 PM
I just read an article on Chron.com that basically stated the Rams studied film and had a pretty good idea what play the Texans were going to run on Yates' pick-six. This goes along with what the Seahawks said a couple of games ago.


They'll always say that. That's why they watch film. That's how the game plan. We do the same thing. If we ever come up with an INT, we'll say it too.

DocBar
10-13-2013, 07:23 PM
I say fail into Clowney, get QB in rd 2. Or jake matthews in first, still sucking at that rt spotI love how people just assume you can get a quality player at X position in Y round, especially at QB. It's just not that easy or simple.

I'm certainly not saying that drafting a QB in the 1st guarantees anything. Just don't bet on the QB you want being on the board in the 2nd.

Playoffs
10-13-2013, 07:42 PM
It's not just Schaub.

No, it's not. Opposing teams have been reading Kubiak's mail.

Chris Mortensen made a passing comment on NFL Insiders a couple of weeks ago that "in talking to other team's" it's apparent that "Gary Kubiak is not doing a good enough job of self-scouting."

Kubiak will be fired, and another team will pick him up quickly. Only then will Gary learn what & how he has been tipping his play calling. He'll be a top 5 OC from then forward.

bOODRO87
10-13-2013, 07:42 PM
Hell no. Franchise QB, first and foremost.

No more BS'ing around.

Yes x infinity.

silvrhand
10-13-2013, 07:45 PM
Kubiak has lost the team as well, even J.J. Watt's body language today was bad, he wasn't hyping the crowd up between plays, after we went down 10-0 you could see the route was on at that point.

They all had their hands on the hips, did not seem into the game at all.

EllisUnit
10-13-2013, 07:46 PM
Kubiak has lost the team as well, even J.J. Watt's body language today was bad, he wasn't hyping the crowd up between plays, after we went down 10-0 you could see the route was on at that point.

They all had their hands on the hips, did not seem into the game at all.

And i didnt even wait until commercials to go take a piss :boogereater:

PHILLYTEXANFAN
10-13-2013, 07:52 PM
I love how people just assume you can get a quality player at X position in Y round, especially at QB. It's just not that easy or simple.

I'm certainly not saying that drafting a QB in the 1st guarantees anything. Just don't bet on the QB you want being on the board in the 2nd.

I just feel if were in the spot to draft either of those two, we can still draft a good QB in rd 2. Personally Im not sold on guys like Bridgewater, Boyd, or Mcarron, I am though a Steve Morris fan myself. Besides if you were to follow any draft sites, they ALL say this upcoming draft is STACKED with quality QBs

Mr teX
10-13-2013, 07:54 PM
I love how people just assume you can get a quality player at X position in Y round, especially at QB. It's just not that easy or simple.

I'm certainly not saying that drafting a QB in the 1st guarantees anything. Just don't bet on the QB you want being on the board in the 2nd.

Maybe not docb......but we've had more success plugging holes by taking guys in the first than we have had in trying to take guys later in the draft and "developing" them. I'm not sure we've successfully developed anyone who wasnt a 1st round pick.

Our free agents over the years also leave alot to be desired....its been J-jo, leach and??????????

bOODRO87
10-13-2013, 07:55 PM
I just feel if were in the spot to draft either of those two, we can still draft a good QB in rd 2. Personally Im not sold on guys like Bridgewater, Boyd, or Mcarron, I am though a Steve Morris fan myself. Besides if you were to follow any draft sites, they ALL say this upcoming draft is STACKED with quality QBs

Interesting. Morris is who you like? I'm not bashing, but could you explain why? Hundley is my choice.

SchaubApologist
10-13-2013, 07:55 PM
I just feel if were in the spot to draft either of those two, we can still draft a good QB in rd 2. Personally Im not sold on guys like Bridgewater, Boyd, or Mcarron, I am though a Steve Morris fan myself. Besides if you were to follow any draft sites, they ALL say this upcoming draft is STACKED with quality QBs

Sooo.. You're not sold on the QB's, but you like a DE (clowney) with a suspect motor and questionable dedication.

HmmMMmMmMMmm.. :boogereater:

powda
10-13-2013, 07:58 PM
Maybe not docb......but we've had more success plugging holes by taking guys in the first than we have had in trying to take guys later in the draft and "developing" them. I'm not sure we've successfully developed anyone who wasnt a 1st round pick.

Our free agents over the years also leave alot to be desired....its been J-jo, leach and??????????

Antonio Smith and season MVP Lechler. (Yes I purposely omitted names like reed and mays.)

PHILLYTEXANFAN
10-13-2013, 08:00 PM
Interesting. Morris is who you like? I'm not bashing, but could you explain why? Hundley is my choice.

I see "field general" on him. Footwork is my biggest concern. Also because hes got a cannon.

mussop
10-13-2013, 08:00 PM
Is this really thread worthy? :goodpost:

4 pages say yes.

DocBar
10-13-2013, 08:02 PM
Maybe not docb......but we've had more success plugging holes by taking guys in the first than we have had in trying to take guys later in the draft and "developing" them. I'm not sure we've successfully developed anyone who wasnt a 1st round pick.

Our free agents over the years also leave alot to be desired....its been J-jo, leach and??????????
Did you misread my post? You're kinda making my point for me.

Mr teX
10-13-2013, 08:04 PM
Did you misread my post? You're kinda making my point for me.

Lol, yeah i did....sorry sir...:tiphat:

PHILLYTEXANFAN
10-13-2013, 08:04 PM
Sooo.. You're not sold on the QB's, but you like a DE (clowney) with a suspect motor and questionable dedication.

HmmMMmMmMMmm.. :boogereater:

Hes been supposedly " NFL ready" since high school. Alot of players have there issues prior to entering the pros, example look at the teams that passed on Justin Houston for a few marijuana issues. Any real issues now. I think Clowney is just surrounded by guys who are influencing him to play "careful' to avoid injury and a possible top 5 draft pick.

leebigeztx
10-13-2013, 09:06 PM
I've been talking about the texans taking a qb in the 1st 3 rd for the last 3yrs. Whether it was the Arkansa mallett,wilson,or geno this year. They hitched their wagon to a limited talent guy even post injury and now its starting to show. I'm a believer in think players,not plays. Matt would look good if he had the 49ers line,vernon davis,andre johnson from 5 yrs ago with calvin johnson opposite him. Of course,but that's impossible. At some point,critical points the qb has to be the playmaker and schaub has never been that in his best days. Could the game be called different? Sure. If it were me,I would line up arian,posey,aj,hopkins,and foster and throw to get the lead and let that slow tes go out after everything cleared. Other than that I would throw or run out of 11 personel and no huddle. We can't even start on how bad the defense has been either

Giant Tiger
10-13-2013, 10:18 PM
I just read an article on Chron.com that basically stated the Rams studied film and had a pretty good idea what play the Texans were going to run on Yates' pick-six. This goes along with what the Seahawks said a couple of games ago.

They might have just been saying this, but it seems to me that our offensive predictability, along with meltdowns other places, is absolutely killing us. Is Kubiak not capable of doing something different, or is he just stubborn?

Anyway, the title of this thread says it all.

Agreed. So does it really matter who's the quarterback under this regime?

Mr teX
10-13-2013, 10:21 PM
Agreed. So does it really matter who's the quarterback under this regime?

As i sit here watching washington's offense, they look like they have the same issue as us....so no, i dont think it matters.

silvrhand
10-13-2013, 10:24 PM
Wow..

http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Texans-postgame-press-conference/a01648b9-9a04-44d0-bfdb-5ff68b391ef3

LOL.. talk about giving Matt a flying pass.. Kubiak is going down with Matt.. How many times does he talk about springing leaks.. This press conference is depressing.

TexanBacker93
10-14-2013, 09:29 AM
They'll always say that. That's why they watch film. That's how the game plan. We do the same thing. If we ever come up with an INT, we'll say it too.

I'm not sure our coaches have the players watch film of other games. At least we don't ever seem to be prepared. When was the last time you watched a game and thought, man, we knew what they were going to do and beat them to the punch? How many games do we see where other teams look for ways to exploit us? We like to blitz and get killed by screens because we are undisciplined. We're good for a 18 yard screen on 3rd and 17 once a game. Our linebackers can't cover (more evident last year against the Pats) so teams create mismatches making our LBs cover an athletic TE or a RB and they get big plays out of it. Our DBs play off the line and teams run quick slants.

I've never seen this team try and exploit another team's weakness. If the coaches watch film they don't make use of it. Gary is going to run the plays that he wants to run regardless of situation or circumstance. I'm convinced if he had been OC or HC for Elway's entire career he would never have made the HoF. Throw Andrew Luck on this team and he'd be Jake Locker.

TexanBacker93
10-14-2013, 09:31 AM
Hes been supposedly " NFL ready" since high school. Alot of players have there issues prior to entering the pros, example look at the teams that passed on Justin Houston for a few marijuana issues. Any real issues now. I think Clowney is just surrounded by guys who are influencing him to play "careful' to avoid injury and a possible top 5 draft pick.

Clowney has made one play in his college career that vaulted him to the top of the draft heap. He screams Mario Williams to me. Great NFL body, but is an NFL player?

Texan_Bill
10-14-2013, 09:39 AM
Clowney has made one play in his college career that vaulted him to the top of the draft heap. He screams Mario Williams to me. Great NFL body, but is an NFL player?

Man.... The Bills will be all over this Clowney cat!!

Exascor
10-14-2013, 10:10 AM
Let me start off by saying I'm ready for a complete house cleaning. QBs, Kubiak, Wade Phillips and GM. It's flawed from the top down. I'm done supporting this regime. I also agree it's not just Schaub - it is coaching and scheme as well. This scheme allows for no mistakes. Get off schedule - done. Penalty - done. Get behind - done. Turnover - done. There is no risk/reward system. It's low risk, low reward. Any mistakes get amplified in this system.

But...take the exact same players, same coaches & same scheme. Take out our QBs and add one of the following (take your pick): Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers
Kubiak with any of those guys would look like the master of offense again and this team would be 6-0. There are probably 20 QBs that could have this team at 5-1 or better. Schaub has no playmaking skills. Pinpoint accuracy, great deep ball, cannon arm, extending the play, quick release, great touch, making other players better, throwing on the run, great leader, running (lol), master of reading defenses? What skill can you say Schaub has that is as good or better than the best in the league? That's what Kubiak has to work with.

It's too late. Kubiak hasn't been able to advance his system because he's tied to his QBs. Kubiak stuck with and designed this current crap system around Schaub. He even drafted mini-Schaub in Yates. Herv told me once that the Kubiak system is like Rudyball. Boring even if successful. If it's not successful then get rid of it. Time for a change. Fire everyone.

Mr teX
10-14-2013, 10:36 AM
Let me start off by saying I'm ready for a complete house cleaning. QBs, Kubiak, Wade Phillips and GM. It's flawed from the top down. I'm done supporting this regime. I also agree it's not just Schaub - it is coaching and scheme as well. This scheme allows for no mistakes. Get off schedule - done. Penalty - done. Get behind - done. Turnover - done. There is no risk/reward system. It's low risk, low reward. Any mistakes get amplified in this system.

But...take the exact same players, same coaches & same scheme. Take out our QBs and add one of the following (take your pick): Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees or Aaron RodgersKubiak with any of those guys would look like the master of offense again and this team would be 6-0. There are probably 20 QBs that could have this team at 5-1 or better. Schaub has no playmaking skills. Pinpoint accuracy, great deep ball, cannon arm, extending the play, quick release, great touch, making other players better, throwing on the run, great leader, running (lol), master of reading defenses? What skill can you say Schaub has that is as good or better than the best in the league? That's what Kubiak has to work with.

It's too late. Kubiak hasn't been able to advance his system because he's tied to his QBs. Kubiak stuck with and designed this current crap system around Schaub. He even drafted mini-Schaub in Yates. Herv told me once that the Kubiak system is like Rudyball. Boring even if successful. If it's not successful then get rid of it. Time for a change. Fire everyone.

You put those guys on anyone's team & you get the same results...So really that's not saying anything. And as was demonstrated yesterday, it's highly likely that it doesn't matter who's under center with this regime...you're likely going to see the same issues.

thunderkyss
10-14-2013, 11:30 AM
I'm convinced if he had been OC or HC for Elway's entire career he would never have made the HoF. Throw Andrew Luck on this team and he'd be Jake Locker.

Are you saying that Matt Schaub = Drew Brees?

If Luck becomes Locker in this system, then Schaub would be elite on any other team.

You know that's not true. It's the other way around. Locker would be Luck if he had Kubiak drawing up plays for him. Schaub would be a career back-up without Kubiak but he's performed on par with the elite QBs over the last two years in every category except the elusive "wins vs teams with winning records."