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Malloy
10-13-2013, 03:48 PM
This has to be on of the worst games I've ever seen. We're in big trouble, but as others have mentioned, it starts at the top...

fiasco west
10-13-2013, 03:48 PM
I never expected the Texans to be 2-5 at the bye week, but that's exactly what it will be. Why is Kubiak still the head coach?

I'd rather just let the head coach finish off the season for better or worse.

If he really is that bad then ah well, we get a top 10 draft pick. Better than rallying around a interim head coach for a 7-9 record and then McNair deciding to stick with that interim coach for the next 3 seasons.

legacy_gt
10-13-2013, 03:49 PM
they really need to have a team meeting this wed to salvage this season and get back into the playoffs.

htowntexans1985
10-13-2013, 03:50 PM
So who are the Texans still facing the Seahawks in the superbowl?

waynegg
10-13-2013, 03:50 PM
This has to be on of the worst games I've ever seen. We're in big trouble, but as others have mentioned, it starts at the top...

Did you never watch the oilers or something? I distinctly remember a certain playoff game vs the bills...

OzzO
10-13-2013, 03:50 PM
So there was a player meeting... then a coach called meeting. I guess an owner called meeting is next?

gafftop
10-13-2013, 03:50 PM
I hope we have seen enough of Yates. I have always called him mimiSchaub. I think Schaub is better than Yates. Have no clue about Case. May be worse than all but who knows. I surely don't trust Kubiak's evaluation of QB's see Carr, Schaub, orvlosky, leinart, Yates........

Time to move on.

Vinny
10-13-2013, 03:51 PM
I'd rather just let the head coach finish off the season for better or worse.

If he really is that bad then ah well, we get a top 10 draft pick. Better than rallying around a interim head coach for a 7-9 record and then McNair deciding to stick with that interim coach for the next 3 seasons.
Hammer him EARLY and get a HEAD START on the available coaches.

gafftop
10-13-2013, 03:52 PM
At least we're not 0-6:clap:

Really no different other than we would be in better position for high draft choice.

ziggy29
10-13-2013, 03:52 PM
Geno Smith just threw a red zone pick that looked just like one thrown regularly in Texans uniforms.

Malloy
10-13-2013, 03:53 PM
Did you never watch the oilers or something? I distinctly remember a certain playoff game vs the bills...

Nope, I started my fandom with the Houston Texans.

Wolf6151
10-13-2013, 03:54 PM
You really have to just laugh at this game to prevent going crazy. This is 3 stooges ineptitude.

OzzO
10-13-2013, 03:58 PM
I hope we have seen enough of Yates. I have always called him mimiSchaub. I think Schaub is better than Yates. Have no clue about Case. May be worse than all but who knows. I surely don't trust Kubiak's evaluation of QB's see Carr, Schaub, orvlosky, leinart, Yates........

Time to move on.

True... what happened to being "the QB quru"? Maybe Kubiak should just be the QB coach and get someone else to HC if that's the case.

(err... pun not intended)

fiasco west
10-13-2013, 03:58 PM
Hammer him EARLY and get a HEAD START on the available coaches.

It doesn't matter if you fire him in the middle of the season or at the end of the season when searching for a head coach.

The good ones will have the good jobs come to them.

I really hate interim head coaches, doesn't seem to accomplish much.

PapaL
10-13-2013, 04:01 PM
Take Matt with you too

http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g345/IamPapaL/kub_zps188c0e00.jpg

OzzO
10-13-2013, 04:01 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWeyoj6CUAAvo8O.jpg

Wonder what McNair thinks we he sees this?

A. "Well, I already got my money today"
B. "Must be a major bathroom break"
C. "I need to get this turned around"

Vinny
10-13-2013, 04:04 PM
It doesn't matter if you fire him in the middle of the season or at the end of the season when searching for a head coach.

The good ones will have the good jobs come to them.

I really hate interim head coaches, doesn't seem to accomplish much.
gives the fanbase hope that something finally changes and the team isn't going to put up with this crap..that's what it does. We're big boy fans. We can take some interim coaching knowing that we are going to make some serious changes and get out of our denial that we have the right forumla under kewbs.

Vinny
10-13-2013, 04:09 PM
Houston Texans ‏@HoustonTexans 33s
"A lot of fingers have been pointing at 1 thing lately, but today we sprung leaks all over the place." Kubiak #Texans

fiasco west
10-13-2013, 04:09 PM
gives the fanbase hope that something finally changes and the team isn't going to put up with this crap..that's what it does. We're big boy fans. We can take some interim coaching knowing that we are going to make some serious changes and get out of our denial that we have the right forumla under kewbs.

But you know Bob man, he's patient as hell. For better or worse that's just how he is.

If the team rallies around Wade and goes 7-9,8-8, or shows ANY promise at all we'll be giving Wade the head coaching job and that could last for who knows how much longer. Meanwhile, I don't think Kubiak can finish with that record and still be safe, but a interim coach can because he'll have the excuse of these first 6 games not being on him.

If the team has given up on Kubiak fine...that just means we can draft a stud in the draft. Not saying we give up on the season, but might as well let Kubiak finish off the season.

Vinny
10-13-2013, 04:12 PM
But you know Bob man, he's patient as hell. For better or worse that's just how he is.

If the team rallies around Wade and goes 7-9,8-8, or shows ANY promise at all we'll be giving Wade the head coaching job and that could last for who knows how much longer. Meanwhile, I don't think Kubiak can finish with that record and still be safe, but a interim coach can because he'll have the excuse of these first 6 games not being on him.

If the team has given up on Kubiak fine...that just means we can draft a stud in the draft. Not saying we give up on the season, but might as well let Kubiak finish off the season.Bob's losing his fans good will though. Fans are disgusted. Kubiak and his sad sack pressers are just too depressing for me to watch anymore. Hell, I'm a HUGE football fan and I have no interest in watching some dude with poor body language and depressing facial expressions try to get a team up emotionally in a league that thrives on emotion. That doesn't work....I'd done with Kubiak...I'm done supporting the HC. I'm done watching those pressers. They depress me.

Wolf6151
10-13-2013, 04:14 PM
Look on the bright side our draft position just got better, and The Walking Dead is on tv tonight.

Vinny
10-13-2013, 04:19 PM
Look on the bright side our draft position just got better, and The Walking Dead is on tv tonight.

Walking dead and Kubiak trending on Twitter

PhilpW
10-13-2013, 04:20 PM
Kubiak has lost this team. A coaching change now can't hurt the product on the field.

Lurvinator11
10-13-2013, 04:31 PM
If that's what it takes to get schaub out, and the QB change can turn the season around, are you still going to feel that way?

Yes. I am still going to feel that way. See, here you are again, trying to justify the fact that you cheered for an injury. I wanted Schaub out, but not by way of an injury? You know why? Because 1. he's a human and no one DESERVES to be hurt, none the less have someone else cheer for it. He's got a family to take care of, and if he's hurt it just adds more problems to his life, which is already hectic enough from fans harassing him. 2. If he goes down with an injury, there's always that doubt, which gives him the chance to be put back in when he is healthy again. I'd rather him get benched without having to be injured, that way it puts all of that doubt to rest, plus if our backups like yates sucks (which he did already) we can put him back in.

Schaub is done, but there is no reason to cheer an injury. You continue to sit here and try to justify your actions, and saying I have "half full glasses" It doesn't take half moon glasses, or broken glasses to see you were clearly cheering his injury.

EDIT: Of course, I also want to point out the fact that Schaub was playing better this game than he had been in the past. He actually didn't turn the ball over today. The reason we lost were from turnovers from other palyers. Hopkins, Martin, and of course Yates. Of course, even if Schaub had already thrown three pick 6's, I still wouldn't have cheered an injury.

DX-TEX
10-13-2013, 04:40 PM
Walking dead and Kubiak trending on Twitter

So is "Vince Young" :kitten:


Vince YoungVerified account‏@VinceYoung
Let them know VY is in shape and ready to go! I always loved my birth place and everyone who lives in it IM READY

chicagotexan2
10-13-2013, 04:54 PM
Hey Vince you couldn't make it as tye 3rd string QB on the Bills. Full out an application at Cheesecake Factory as a greeter. God knows you can't read thr menu to be a waiter.

Dishman
10-13-2013, 05:28 PM
Bob's losing his fans good will though. Fans are disgusted. Kubiak and his sad sack pressers are just too depressing for me to watch anymore. Hell, I'm a HUGE football fan and I have no interest in watching some dude with poor body language and depressing facial expressions try to get a team up emotionally in a league that thrives on emotion. That doesn't work....I'd done with Kubiak...I'm done supporting the HC. I'm done watching those pressers. They depress me.

Kubiak Depressers.

2012Champs
10-13-2013, 05:32 PM
In that scenario, both Harbaugh's would have gone for it. That's just confident, physical football.

Of course, their teams are rarely in this kind of hole because they are disciplined and well coached.

Baltimore did go for it on 4th and goal earlier in their game, the didn't convert and they lost by 2

devo-x
10-13-2013, 05:34 PM
I'm sorry to hear that Schuab's hurt now but its one reason to have Keenum active next week. It's always possible that Yates or Keenum might be able to lead this team back to wins again

fiasco west
10-13-2013, 06:05 PM
Bob's losing his fans good will though. Fans are disgusted. Kubiak and his sad sack pressers are just too depressing for me to watch anymore. Hell, I'm a HUGE football fan and I have no interest in watching some dude with poor body language and depressing facial expressions try to get a team up emotionally in a league that thrives on emotion. That doesn't work....I'd done with Kubiak...I'm done supporting the HC. I'm done watching those pressers. They depress me.

I feel the same way about that definitely.

I planned on watching the presser and post-game stuff to see if there would be any hints at a possible QB change next week...About 2 minutes in I couldn't take it anymore. Just will read the transcript later.

I'm still supporting the HC though, I still hope they can miraculously turn it around. I mean it would be awesome for them to only lose like 1 game at most from here on out and go to the superbowl...but I'm not betting my money on that happening.

MEGA SWATT
10-13-2013, 06:08 PM
Look on the bright side our draft position just got better, and The Walking Dead is on tv tonight.

But I hate that the governor is still alive

hradhak
10-13-2013, 06:31 PM
At this point they need to get to the dance. They can only afford to lost 3 more but more likely 2. I don't see us beating the colts twice and the pats and broncos

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cameronkrazie86
10-13-2013, 06:55 PM
The one thing I really don't understand is why they don't give Arian the ball 25 to 30 times a game when it's working. Dude could've ran for 250+ yards today if they had just kept feeding him. The quarterbacks are struggling, the running game is working and yet 3 of the first 4 plays out of halftime are passes. Game was over from there. So frustrating to see a great player not get the ball when he's in the zone.

Runner
10-13-2013, 07:06 PM
The one thing I really don't understand is why they don't give Arian the ball 25 to 30 times a game when it's working. Dude could've ran for 250+ yards today if they had just kept feeding him. The quarterbacks are struggling, the running game is working and yet 3 of the first 4 plays out of halftime are passes. Game was over from there. So frustrating to see a great player not get the ball when he's in the zone.

The Rams were expecting that. Kubiak is too tricky to fall into that trap.

:sarcasm:

legacy_gt
10-13-2013, 07:11 PM
offense had issues but the real problem started with the defense. how'd we give up so much on the run? and the long ball defense with pass interfence.

then special teams with martin.

when schaub was injured, TJ showed his real self as well in the great kubiak predictable schemes.

Bulls on Parade
10-13-2013, 07:22 PM
Why hasn't Keshawn Martin been replaced on the kick returning duties? He's been the worst kick returner in NFL history. It's been that bad!

Rey
10-13-2013, 07:26 PM
Why hasn't Keshawn Martin been replaced on the kick returning duties? He's been the worst kick returner in NFL history. It's been that bad!

He works hard.

thunderkyss
10-13-2013, 09:13 PM
Why hasn't Keshawn Martin been replaced on the kick returning duties? He's been the worst kick returner in NFL history. It's been that bad!

I thought he was the 4th best kick returner this year.

waynegg
10-13-2013, 09:17 PM
Yes. I am still going to feel that way. See, here you are again, trying to justify the fact that you cheered for an injury. I wanted Schaub out, but not by way of an injury? You know why? Because 1. he's a human and no one DESERVES to be hurt, none the less have someone else cheer for it. He's got a family to take care of, and if he's hurt it just adds more problems to his life, which is already hectic enough from fans harassing him. 2. If he goes down with an injury, there's always that doubt, which gives him the chance to be put back in when he is healthy again. I'd rather him get benched without having to be injured, that way it puts all of that doubt to rest, plus if our backups like yates sucks (which he did already) we can put him back in.

Schaub is done, but there is no reason to cheer an injury. You continue to sit here and try to justify your actions, and saying I have "half full glasses" It doesn't take half moon glasses, or broken glasses to see you were clearly cheering his injury.

EDIT: Of course, I also want to point out the fact that Schaub was playing better this game than he had been in the past. He actually didn't turn the ball over today. The reason we lost were from turnovers from other palyers. Hopkins, Martin, and of course Yates. Of course, even if Schaub had already thrown three pick 6's, I still wouldn't have cheered an injury.

Then we can just agree to disagree. You took it how you took it and it wasn't how it was meant. I'm glad to see schaub out, but it should have happened differently than it did.

Now, queue putting more words in my mouth. I don't give a damn. What I said and how you took it is your glass half empty attitude shining through. All I said was yay! Something good finally happened! And it is good that now there's a chance one of our other QBs will do better than that sack of taters with a number 8 painted on it.

waynegg
10-13-2013, 09:20 PM
Nope, I started my fandom with the Houston Texans.

You can probably find film somewhere, but read this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Comeback_(American_football)

Biggest heartbreak and crap loss in NFL history ala the Oilers.

Honoring Earl 34
10-13-2013, 09:46 PM
The good news is the Rams defense got me 51 points today.

Wolf
10-13-2013, 10:13 PM
On the Kick return that we fumbled.


Tuggle got tossed like a rag doll

Texan4Ever
10-13-2013, 11:40 PM
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned (and I would love to read other fans analysis of this) but I can't help but notice that a majority of our INTs have been where the DB stepped in front of the WR.

With that being said I feel that whoever is at QB is having to wait for the WR to get into position (turn and set up) before he can fire the ball in his direction which gives the DBs an easy read on where the QB will pass the ball.

If so I think the receiver coach(es) need to be blamed and they need to fix this. Plus we should look into making quick, short passes and screens with an occasional bomb down the field vs what we're currently doing which seems sporadic at best.

eriadoc
10-13-2013, 11:41 PM
I was traveling all day and got home at 8PM. So I just finished watching the game. I went to great lengths to avoid any Texans chatter all day, even covering my ears and humming when people behind me on the plane brought it up. So glad all that effort was worthwhile.

leebigeztx
10-14-2013, 12:02 AM
Just think how close this team is to being 0-6. The only game they deserved to win was vs seattle.

Lurvinator11
10-14-2013, 01:14 AM
Then we can just agree to disagree. You took it how you took it and it wasn't how it was meant. I'm glad to see schaub out, but it should have happened differently than it did.

Now, queue putting more words in my mouth. I don't give a damn. What I said and how you took it is your glass half empty attitude shining through. All I said was yay! Something good finally happened! And it is good that now there's a chance one of our other QBs will do better than that sack of taters with a number 8 painted on it.

I do want to point out, that when I made my original comment, I didn't point you out in particular. I was addressing all of the posters who were celebrating.

It was you who chose to go out of your way and call me a dip****, and justify your actions. I mean, you can keep saying "that it affects the team in a positve manner" and "something good finally happened", but the fact is the fact. You cheered an injury.

Plain and simple.

WolverineFan
10-14-2013, 02:17 AM
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned (and I would love to read other fans analysis of this) but I can't help but notice that a majority of our INTs have been where the DB stepped in front of the WR.

With that being said I feel that whoever is at QB is having to wait for the WR to get into position (turn and set up) before he can fire the ball in his direction which gives the DBs an easy read on where the QB will pass the ball.

If so I think the receiver coach(es) need to be blamed and they need to fix this. Plus we should look into making quick, short passes and screens with an occasional bomb down the field vs what we're currently doing which seems sporadic at best.

Opposing DB's are cheating up on routes. There is zero threat to get burned deep so that's why you see no cushion. Schaub is delivering the ball when a WR breaks but doesn't have the zip to get the ball in there in time. If we would open up and take some shots then DB's would back off some.

Texanmike02
10-14-2013, 03:33 AM
Opposing DB's are cheating up on routes. There is zero threat to get burned deep so that's why you see no cushion. Schaub is delivering the ball when a WR breaks but doesn't have the zip to get the ball in there in time. If we would open up and take some shots then DB's would back off some.

This. I don't think it would matter how much zip he put on it though. DBs are not playing the man. At this point they are just timing the release.

This would actually be the kind of thing that you would expect us to exploit. A double move would be freaking awesome or have a cross to the spot that the blitzing safety is vacating.


Mike

J_R
10-14-2013, 12:57 PM
Source: #Texans Danieal Manning out 6-8 weeks. (@JeromeSolomon (https://twitter.com/JeromeSolomon/status/389795195589386240))

Rey
10-14-2013, 01:25 PM
Source: #Texans Danieal Manning out 6-8 weeks. (@JeromeSolomon (https://twitter.com/JeromeSolomon/status/389795195589386240))

Just heard that on the radio.

That sucks. Haven't heard about Schaub though...

thunderkyss
10-14-2013, 02:50 PM
After your starting QB gets taken out of the game. Your back up QB throws two stupid passes & three ho-hum passes. When the defense gifts you a first down 5 or 6 yards from the goal line, how do you throw three more passes with Arian Foster averaging almost 9 ypc at that point?

Is he trying to prove something or is he trying to win the game?

Sigma
10-14-2013, 07:22 PM
I just watched the game, wow...
really...
I don't even...

wow

:|

Bulls on Parade
10-15-2013, 01:42 AM
I thought he was the 4th best kick returner this year.
That's because of his 20 kick returns (most in the league) he's had four really big runs including a 49-yard return. But sadly, the other sixteen make you want to throw up. For the most part he catches it and runs forward five yards and that's it. But hey, that's better than his pick six fumble in the last game. I think we're fooling ourselves if we continue to trot him out there on special teams.

Sigma
10-15-2013, 11:11 AM
That's because of his 20 kick returns (most in the league) he's had four really big runs including a 49-yard return. But sadly, the other sixteen make you want to throw up. For the most part he catches it and runs forward five yards and that's it. But hey, that's better than his pick six fumble in the last game. I think we're fooling ourselves if we continue to trot him out there on special teams.

he is 4th in terms of yards per attempt while returning kicks with 26.3 yards

but 25th while returning punts with an average 4.6 yards

(ironically at 26 you find tavon austin)

I never liked all those young WR we have, except for #10 and Trindon.

Bulls on Parade
10-15-2013, 01:46 PM
Keshawn Martin isn't that explosive of a return man. He does have some promise as a wide receiver but very little if that. I understand they didn't want to keep Trindon Holliday because he offers nothing as a wide receiver, but isn't it funny how the Texans were 5-0 last year when they released him, and all the Broncos have done since signing him is go 11-0 last year and 6-0 so far this year?

Our boy Trindon hasn't lost a regular-season game in forever. Even the playoff game the Broncos lost to the Ravens back in January, 38-35 in two overtimes, he did his part with two sensational Touchdowns: 104-yard kickoff return and a 90-yard punt return.

Keshawn Martin, I doubt he'll ever take a kickoff or punt return to the house - he has a big fat 0 in two seasons now. He'll never be a big game changer like Trindon Holiday is. Having a little potential at wide receiver doesn't impress me. He'll never become a pro bowler or anything special at wide receiver or on special teams.

I just hate when the Texans give up on really good players too soon. And they shine on other teams. All because we may have the worst special teams coach in the league. But because he's buddy buddy with Bob McNair, you can bet your ass that Joe Marciano will never, and I repeat, NEVER, be in danger of losing his job.

Vinny
10-15-2013, 03:33 PM
Keshawn Martin isn't that explosive of a return man. He does have some promise as a wide receiver but very little if that. I understand they didn't want to keep Trindon Holliday because he offers nothing as a wide receiver, but isn't it funny how the Texans were 5-0 last year when they released him, and all the Broncos have done since signing him is go 11-0 last year and 6-0 so far this year?

Our boy Trindon hasn't lost a regular-season game in forever. Even the playoff game the Broncos lost to the Ravens back in January, 38-35 in two overtimes, he did his part with two sensational Touchdowns: 104-yard kickoff return and a 90-yard punt return.

Keshawn Martin, I doubt he'll ever take a kickoff or punt return to the house - he has a big fat 0 in two seasons now. He'll never be a big game changer like Trindon Holiday is. Having a little potential at wide receiver doesn't impress me. He'll never become a pro bowler or anything special at wide receiver or on special teams.

I just hate when the Texans give up on really good players too soon. And they shine on other teams. All because we may have the worst special teams coach in the league. But because he's buddy buddy with Bob McNair, you can bet your ass that Joe Marciano will never, and I repeat, NEVER, be in danger of losing his job.

Right before Trindon was cut I kept posting that I thought the Texans would cut him when everyone else was counting them on the 53 man roster (when we were sitting around projecting this stuff). I didn't say that because I thought it was the right thing to do, but I said it because the team is as predictable as their offense and defensive schemes (you can do this with or without the rim shot). This team has some allergic reaction to elite speed. It doesn't seem to know what to do with it. I figured they valued one of their mediocre players at the end of their bench over something dynamic and one-dimensional.

Exascor
10-15-2013, 03:57 PM
People really have their anti-Texans management blinders on again. This isn't directed towards you Vinny but everyone that doesn't seem to remember. Trindon Holliday was TERRIBLE. TERRIBLE. Read it if you can't remember: Holliday Experiment is Over (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95209). He couldn't hold on to the ball and made bad decisions on when to take it back. Everyone was glad to see him go. He was released because he wasn't performing and we had injuries. Now he's referred to as someone everyone wanted to keep but the Texans released him because they are dumb. Jacoby Jones is another one. The entire city wanted him gone after the muff in Baltimore. He was released because he wasn't fulfilling his potential and was too expensive for "just a returner".

Both those guys are having success. Is it coaching (Marciano sucks) or the change of scenery? I don't know but I do know that everyone wanted both of those players gone. Can't blame the Texans for getting rid of them.

thunderkyss
10-15-2013, 07:05 PM
People really have their anti-Texans management blinders on again. This isn't directed towards you Vinny but everyone that doesn't seem to remember. Trindon Holliday was TERRIBLE. TERRIBLE. Read it if you can't remember: Holliday Experiment is Over (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95209). He couldn't hold on to the ball and made bad decisions on when to take it back. Everyone was glad to see him go. He was released because he wasn't performing and we had injuries. Now he's referred to as someone everyone wanted to keep but the Texans released him because they are dumb. Jacoby Jones is another one.

I think you're missing the point. Your memory is correct, but no one is saying Trindon was all that & a bag of chips when he was here. We knew he was a one dimensional specialist, but he had value. Our ST coach... who most people outside of Reliant, wanted gone could not find a way to exploit that talent. Trindon, then Jacoby moves on & they're contributing to some pretty exciting seasons of other teams. Whether we're talking about blocking for him, or helping him understand when to take it out of the endzone & when not to, or not letting those gaffs define the outcome of their games.

Trindon Holliday will be on Denver's 53 next year. No question about it. They won't even consider it because they've realized that value. Jacoby... he's still got to prove himself as a receiver to justify the money he's making, but they'll ask him to take a pay cut before he's outright cut.

Quentin Demps is starting at safety for the KC Chiefs. He's recorded an INT in each of the last three games. He also returns kicks for them & he's scored a TD for them in that role, while we're going to be rooting for Shilo Keo to not screw up.

Anyone expecting Keo to return a punt for a TD? Anyone expecting him to INT an errant pass?

CloakNNNdagger
10-16-2013, 09:58 PM
This loss did a real number on the Texans......and the Rams...........unfortunately in the wrong direction for the Texans.......waaaay wrong direction.

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