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kingtexan
10-10-2013, 11:12 AM
If you could trade Gary for one of these guys, who would you trade for, and why?

House of Pain
10-10-2013, 11:19 AM
I'd want Gruden more than Cowher because Cowher had to have a great playmaking QB to win and Gruden basically had a homeless man playing QB. Cowher worries me in the sense that I dont think he misses the game as much as Gruden. Sumlin is a decent option but I don't know if his system would work in the NFL. Saban is so much of a jerk I don't think it would work well with most players.

Regardless, I would take Gruden or Cowher. Both have shown that they suck at talent evaluation/drafting but are excellent at motivating millionaires, having balls, and knowing their X's and O's. These are the things that make a great HC in the NFL.

Trail.Blazr
10-10-2013, 11:19 AM
Went with Cowher because I think he's proven, has class and commands respect. I like his track record.

Don't know that I want another college coach tryout in the NFL with Sumlin. Certainly think Saban is a not to be trusted D-Bag and Chucky has a style that I don't find appealing.

SCOTTexans
10-10-2013, 11:22 AM
I'd want Gruden more than Cowher because Cowher had to have a great playmaking QB to win and Gruden basically had a homeless man playing QB. Cowher worries me in the sense that I dont think he misses the game as much as Gruden. Sumlin is a decent option but I don't know if his system would work in the NFL. Saban is so much of a jerk I don't think it would work well with most players.

Regardless, I would take Gruden or Cowher. Both have shown that they suck at talent evaluation/drafting but are excellent at motivating millionaires, having balls, and knowing their X's and O's. These are the things that make a great HC in the NFL.

I like Gruden personality but he is a little to crazy for a coach, but he definately has the most passion for the game.

My choice would be Cowher

DX-TEX
10-10-2013, 11:24 AM
I love fantasy land threads. Fact is: if anything happens to Gary we all know, deep in our hearts, Wade is the new HC.

Thorn
10-10-2013, 11:25 AM
Cower, can't stand Gruden and don't really know the other two that well.

michaelm
10-10-2013, 11:28 AM
I went with Cower. He has a good NFL track record, and has the blue collar persona that I would like the Texans to take on as a team. Hard nosed. Very much a player's coach.


---in no particular order---

Chucky- has a good NFL record as well, but I don't get the sense that he would be fully committed to coaching again. Seems like a player's coach as well, but probably not on the same level as Cower in that regard.

Sabine- great college coach, horrible personality, and I think his act would wear thin quickly with NFL players.

Sumlin- I like him a lot. Hard to say how his style would translate to the NFL, but I get the feeling that his players would run through a raging fire for him. Comes across as being a pretty inspiring guy to me (and I'm Burnt Orange through and through).

Double Barrel
10-10-2013, 11:39 AM
Gruden only put the cake in the oven that Dungy made (Warren Sapp quote). He didn't do much in Tampa after that win.

Cowher I dig, has a great record and ring, but he's been out of the game too long. He's soft now and shows no fire or passion for coaching. If he did, he'd be doing it now.

Saban I don't trust and it's been shown that his expertise is in the college ranks. The NFL chewed him up and spit him out.

Sumlin is the great unknown, like his old QB Keenum. He is intriguing because you can kind of paint your hopes on his blank canvas. But, there is nothing to indicate that he can make in the NFL. He'd be a like a 2006 Kubiak in that regard, however without any of the NFL experience that Kubiak had in his career.

nero THE zero
10-10-2013, 11:42 AM
I would be perfectly fine with any of the first three for the next HC.

Order of preference would probably be:

Sumlin
Cowher
Gruden

But, I agree with DX-TEX, Wade was the heir apparent from the moment he was hired.

Corrosion
10-10-2013, 12:14 PM
None of the above.
Cowher is happy on TV.
Gruden is over rated , Dungy built that team.
Sumlin ? Man come on , just cause he's an Aggie for the time being ?! ....

I'll stick with Gary over those choices , just give him a quarterback that has more than a BB gun for an arm and isn't cripple.

Uncle Rico
10-10-2013, 12:38 PM
I'd kick the tires on Brian Billick or Tony Dungy.

chicagotexan2
10-10-2013, 12:44 PM
Cowher for me. The guy stresses aggressive defense and likes to run the ball.

Exascor
10-10-2013, 12:46 PM
Just curious, why the interest in Sumlin and not Art Briles?

deucetx
10-10-2013, 01:00 PM
I love fantasy land threads. Fact is: if anything happens to Gary we all know, deep in our hearts, Wade is the new HC.

Yeah, I agree with DX here. I think it seems pretty apparent that would be the direction.

Porky
10-10-2013, 01:05 PM
I'd take any of those outside of Saban who I dislike more than Kubiak. Between the two, I'd just keep Kubes if that is the choice.

I choose Chucky under the condition that he must retain Wade. While Cowher is known for D, if he came in Wade is toast. I'm fine with the status quo on that side of the ball. I want fresh ideas on offense and I think Chucky brings that in spades.

thunderkyss
10-10-2013, 01:07 PM
I think Gruden & Cowher are pipe dreams & not really even worth considering. At the same time I don't believe Sumlin is destined for the NFL. Not that I don't think he'll succeed, I just don't "feel" like it interests him. Not so much that he'll walk out on A&M. If he's got a contract in place, he's not going anywhere.

I also do not trust Saban. I don't know that he knows why he wasn't successful in the NFL before, so I don't know that he'll be successful in the NFL this time. Pete Carol has surprised me though. But he runs that team like a college program. Which is fine & if he can keep it going, that's great for them. But once they run into some hard-times I'm betting (like sexy rexy) he won't be able to pull them back out.

For the Texans' next head coach, I want someone offensive minded. I'd love for Wade to stay, but I don't want him as a head coach. If he's not good with that, I'd rather lose him than make the mistake of promoting him.

College wise.... I think that Chip Kelly gimmick offense is blowing up in Philly, so I don't want to go that route. If we get a college coach, I want a more traditional, tenured college coach. I don't know any college coaches, so I can't throw out any names. He doesn't need to run a "pro" system, as long as the focus is on ball control & efficiency.

Pro wise, I really like what's going on in Denver. I know a lot of that is Peyton Manning, but from top to bottom they're getting it done on offense. Everyone is on the same page & they're running like a well oiled machine. Missing their LT & Center, spreading the ball around very well, & Knoeshawn (sp) Moreno almost looks lilke a RB. I'd like to at least sit down with McCoy, pick his brain & find out how involved he is in what's going on there.

While I would prefer an offensive mind, I would be opened to Dan Quinn, Seattle defensive coordinator, especially if we lose Wade.

Hervoyel
10-10-2013, 01:20 PM
I went with Cower. He has a good NFL track record, and has the blue collar persona that I would like the Texans to take on as a team. Hard nosed. Very much a player's coach.


---in no particular order---

Chucky- has a good NFL record as well, but I don't get the sense that he would be fully committed to coaching again. Seems like a player's coach as well, but probably not on the same level as Cower in that regard.

Sabine- great college coach, horrible personality, and I think his act would wear thin quickly with NFL players.

Sumlin- I like him a lot. Hard to say how his style would translate to the NFL, but I get the feeling that his players would run through a raging fire for him. Comes across as being a pretty inspiring guy to me (and I'm Burnt Orange through and through).


That's the reason I'd want Cowher. I kind of question whether he'd be that into coaching again just like you do with Gruden. I think any of these guys could have had a coaching job over the last few years if they'd wanted it and if they really had wanted to do it then they'd be coaching right now.

Having said that and assuming the former NFL coaches on this poll would be ready to jump in and commit to the franchise completely I think it's got to be Cowher (in this particular fantasy world). That blue collar persona you mention and the work ethic that goes along with it is, I believe what McNair loves about Kubiak. Kubiak also gives off that "just keep on working harder" kind of vibe but Cowher actually is what Bob thinks he's already got with Gary.

As so many have already said though it's gonna be Wade. When Bob hired Wade I am certain that there was an unspoken tacit agreement that Wade would be in "pole position" should Gary be fired. He's the HC in waiting and we're either going to get him or stumble along for another 5 years with Kubiak. Not sure which fate is worse

Trail.Blazr
10-10-2013, 01:21 PM
why is Cowher considered a pipe dream?

It was my understanding that he got out of coaching for the reasons of having accomplished hoisting the lombardi, now being able to step away, enjoy his family during a time where his daughters(not sure on number of children) were going to college at his alma mater in Raleigh, NC.

other than that, which is a legit reason to take time off of a career.. I would if I could. My daughters are worth more than the glory of my job, even if my job is not as glamorous as the NFL, I think it would hold true no matter, should money be no object.

Anyway, just curious to thoughts on the subject as it's something I hear from time to time.. Cowher won't coach again.

Hervoyel
10-10-2013, 01:25 PM
I'd take any of those outside of Saban who I dislike more than Kubiak. Between the two, I'd just keep Kubes if that is the choice.

I choose Chucky under the condition that he must retain Wade. While Cowher is known for D, if he came in Wade is toast. I'm fine with the status quo on that side of the ball. I want fresh ideas on offense and I think Chucky brings that in spades.

I don't know that Wade being "toast" is necessarily a given in that scenario.

Double Barrel
10-10-2013, 01:34 PM
why is Cowher considered a pipe dream?

It has been an on-going speculation and rumor that he has been offered NFL head coaching jobs every year since his retirement.

If he still had the fire and passion, he would have taken one of those jobs. Head coaches are full of ego and confidence about themselves, and most (if not all) believe they can be the catalyst to propel crappy teams to success.

I do not want a tv personality with an NFL past waiting for his "perfect" moment. If the dude was serious about it, he'd be doing it. Seems he'd just be cashing a paycheck by accepting a Goldilocks gig, where everything is "juuuuust right".

We need a hungry head coach, IMO.

Don't get me wrong, I have always liked Cowher. However, that does not blind me to the reality that his belly is full at this point in life. I say this by judging his actions (and inaction) on the subject of head coaching in the NFL.

Thorn
10-10-2013, 01:48 PM
So, discounting otherwise working NFL head coachs, who would yall want instead of Kubiak? How many are available that are actually better than Kubiak?

While I intensely dislike him, it is very easy to see how much worse we can do than him.

Thorn
10-10-2013, 02:14 PM
lol wut?

there are coaches out there with superbowl rings.

So? Kubiak has several himself. Doesn't make him a good head coach though.

BullNation4Life
10-10-2013, 02:20 PM
Sumlin, that is what is hot in the NFL, an open offense...

Exascor
10-10-2013, 02:22 PM
Sumlin, that is what is hot in the NFL, an open offense...

Going to ask again...why Sumlin and not Art Briles?

NCTexan
10-10-2013, 02:23 PM
were going to college at his alma mater in Raleigh, NC.

Anyway, just curious to thoughts on the subject as it's something I hear from time to time.. Cowher won't coach again.

I saw Cowher at a bar/restaurant a few weeks ago across from where I work in Raleigh. If I see him again I'll ask if he'd consider it.

Joking about asking. Kinda...

deucetx
10-10-2013, 02:23 PM
Pro wise, I really like what's going on in Denver. I know a lot of that is Peyton Manning, but from top to bottom they're getting it done on offense. Everyone is on the same page & they're running like a well oiled machine. Missing their LT & Center, spreading the ball around very well, & Knoeshawn (sp) Moreno almost looks lilke a RB. I'd like to at least sit down with McCoy, pick his brain & find out how involved he is in what's going on there.



If you're thinking Mike McCoy he isn't their coordinator anymore. He's the head coach of the Chargers and doing one hell of a job with Rivers despite the lack of receivers there. Adam Gase is now the Broncos coordinator though I think it may be safe to say Peyton Manning is the coordinator, heh.

What do folks think of someone like Brian Billick who has made it known he'd like to coach again. He was an offensive coach before being overly reliant on defense in Baltimore.

Last I heard Cowher keeps the door open to returning to coaching but doesn't seem that anxious to leap back into the fray. Probably have to be a situation he really couldn't pass up. Not sure on Gruden.

deucetx
10-10-2013, 02:26 PM
Going to ask again...why Sumlin and not Art Briles?

Good question. As it is I think the Longhorns should go after Briles if they can convince to step away from Baylor. Only guess I have on Sumlin is folks are thinking he proved himself against the best conference in college football and at a bigger institution. But I see no reason if Sumlin is on anyone's mind why Briles wouldn't be. He's brought Baylor back from 'Baylor who?' and got U of H going again.

BullNation4Life
10-10-2013, 02:28 PM
Going to ask again...why Sumlin and not Art Briles?

Beeeecause he wasn't one of the choices?

Hell I would take either one. Both run the same system...

I want a QB that can move, doesn't need to be fast, and can throw the ball around the yard a bit in an exciting offense...

Exascor
10-10-2013, 02:40 PM
Beeeecause he wasn't one of the choices?

Hell I would take either one. Both run the same system...

I want a QB that can move, doesn't need to be fast, and can throw the ball around the yard a bit in an exciting offense...

That wasn't directed at you. I'm curious why Sumlin is touted as this amazing coach. He took over a successful UH program from Briles and maintained it. He took over A&M and was successful with a Heisman winning QB he didn't even recruit.

Briles has at least had success with a few different QBs.

thunderkyss
10-10-2013, 03:31 PM
lol wut?

there are coaches out there with superbowl rings.

That is not a selling point. I believe it is less likely that a Super Bowl winning coach will take this team to the Super Bowl. The odds are against it. I think it might have happened once or twice in the history of the NFL, if that often.

We're better off looking for a new headcoach candidate, like a college coach, Jim Harbaough, Pagano, & Kelly... or an innovative offensive mind like little Shanny or Payton.

76Texan
10-10-2013, 03:34 PM
Kubiak's value is probably at rock bottom now; you can only cut him, not traded. :spit:

At this moment, I would take any among those four mentioned.

thunderkyss
10-10-2013, 03:37 PM
If you're thinking Mike McCoy he isn't their coordinator anymore. He's the head coach of the Chargers and doing one hell of a job with Rivers despite the lack of receivers there. Adam Gase is now the Broncos coordinator though I think it may be safe to say Peyton Manning is the coordinator, heh.


Damn on missing McCoy. Looking good so far in San Diego. As far as Manning being the coordinator, like I said I'm sure he's a big part of it. But there are a lot of things going right over there. I'd bring Gase in & see how much of that is him & how much is Peyton. If he's got them all on Peyton's page, I'm good with that.

Depending on who else I bring in, he'd still be in the running.


What do folks think of someone like Brian Billick who has made it known he'd like to coach again. He was an offensive coach before being overly reliant on defense in Baltimore.


I'm not totally against Billick. Again, I'd have to sit down & pick his brain about why he was fired in Baltimore, what he would do different, & why he think's he'll break the odds & win a Super Bowl with another team.


Last I heard Cowher keeps the door open to returning to coaching but doesn't seem that anxious to leap back into the fray. Probably have to be a situation he really couldn't pass up. Not sure on Gruden.

If I'm not bringing in Dick Lebeau & Ben Roethlisberger, I'm not interested in Bill Cowher. Remember Slash? That was Cowher left to his own devices.

Rey
10-10-2013, 03:47 PM
Cowher and it's not close.

nero THE zero
10-10-2013, 04:00 PM
That's the reason I'd want Cowher. I kind of question whether he'd be that into coaching again just like you do with Gruden. I think any of these guys could have had a coaching job over the last few years if they'd wanted it and if they really had wanted to do it then they'd be coaching right now.

Having said that and assuming the former NFL coaches on this poll would be ready to jump in and commit to the franchise completely I think it's got to be Cowher (in this particular fantasy world). That blue collar persona you mention and the work ethic that goes along with it is, I believe what McNair loves about Kubiak. Kubiak also gives off that "just keep on working harder" kind of vibe but Cowher actually is what Bob thinks he's already got with Gary.

As so many have already said though it's gonna be Wade. When Bob hired Wade I am certain that there was an unspoken tacit agreement that Wade would be in "pole position" should Gary be fired. He's the HC in waiting and we're either going to get him or stumble along for another 5 years with Kubiak. Not sure which fate is worse

Would you be comfortable with Cowher running the personnel side?

Back when he was fresh out of the league, word was that his taking a job would be contingent on control over personnel.

That would be my only concern with Cowher.

Porky
10-10-2013, 04:02 PM
I don't know that Wade being "toast" is necessarily a given in that scenario.

I dunno, I just don't see two big defensive egos working together. Maybe, but I don't buy it.

Someone mentioned Billick, and I liked him in Baltimore. I would definitely be interested yes.

awc713
10-10-2013, 04:12 PM
ive always like cower, and have never really been a fan of kubiak..

that being said, if anyone gets the HC position after kubiak...i think it'll be ed wade

Exascor
10-10-2013, 04:24 PM
ive always like cower, and have never really been a fan of kubiak..

that being said, if anyone gets the HC position after kubiak...i think it'll be ed wade

Ed Wade? Hehe

infantrycak
10-10-2013, 04:31 PM
That is not a selling point. I believe it is less likely that a Super Bowl winning coach will take this team to the Super Bowl. The odds are against it. I think it might have happened once or twice in the history of the NFL, if that often.

The answer is none.

disaacks3
10-10-2013, 04:36 PM
The answer is none.

Bill Parcells ring a bell?

Won one and then made it back with another team was the question.

infantrycak
10-10-2013, 04:44 PM
Bill Parcells ring a bell?

Won one and then made it back with another team was the question.

Oops. I thought he said won with another team. No coach has done that.

For been with two different teams and won at least 1 it is - Don Shula, Bill Parcells, Dick Vermeil, and Mike Holmgren.

Dan Reeves got there 4 times with 2 teams with no wins.

That's everyone who has even appeared in the Super Bowl with 2 teams I think.

steelbtexan
10-10-2013, 04:53 PM
Just curious, why the interest in Sumlin and not Art Briles?

Because Briles isn't an Aggie. Even though Briles is a better HC. IMHO

Hopefully Briles will be the next HC at UT.

Big Lou
10-10-2013, 05:05 PM
I'd want Gruden more than Cowher because Cowher had to have a great playmaking QB to win and Gruden basically had a homeless man playing QB. Cowher worries me in the sense that I dont think he misses the game as much as Gruden. Sumlin is a decent option but I don't know if his system would work in the NFL. Saban is so much of a jerk I don't think it would work well with most players.

Regardless, I would take Gruden or Cowher. Both have shown that they suck at talent evaluation/drafting but are excellent at motivating millionaires, having balls, and knowing their X's and O's. These are the things that make a great HC in the NFL.

Well at last we wouldn't have to draft a new QB, we have that on the roster already......

steelbtexan
10-10-2013, 05:11 PM
None of the above.
Cowher is happy on TV.
Gruden is over rated , Dungy built that team.
Sumlin ? Man come on , just cause he's an Aggie for the time being ?! ....

I'll stick with Gary over those choices , just give him a quarterback that has more than a BB gun for an arm and isn't cripple.

Agreed, except Gruden did build the team he faced in the SB. (Raiders)

This is Gary's team. He helped pick the players. I mean he had a hand in picking Smith as GM. Schaub is/was Gary's handpicked QB. Looks like he will live or die, probably die with Schaub.

Gary has had his chances. More than I would've given him, I would have fired him after the 2009 season. When he had a cupcake schedule and still didn't make the playoffs. Due to his undying love for Chis/Kris Brown. I see the same thing with Schaub.

In short, 8 yrs is enough. If Gary hasn't played/won a SB by now odds (Which is what Gary is all about. Playing the odds) are he never will.

But I doubt BoB will make a move, because he knows that as long as Gary is HC the Aggies will fill the stands. Regardless of how Gary's teams perform.

Sorry man

As far as HC's I would like to see, none of the ones that were listed by the OP.

Give me Jay Gruden or Billick. Most probably Wade will end up as HC. Which would be a slight upgrade. But not what I'm really looking for. Hopefully Wade will be a risk taker like Bum was. Trading for the likes of Casper/Culp/Leon Gray etc.... is how I would like to see the Texans org operate. Although I doubt that happens because BoB doesn't like traumatic things.

kingtexan
10-10-2013, 05:12 PM
But I doubt BoB will make a move, because he knows that as long as Gary is HC the Aggies will fill the stands. Regardless of how Gary's teams perform.



Which is why Kubes will replace Sumlin at A&M ... watch.

htownfan32
10-10-2013, 05:20 PM
Which is why Kubes will replace Sumlin at A&M ... watch.

Haha... yeah right.

76Texan
10-10-2013, 05:25 PM
Which is why Kubes will replace Sumlin at A&M ... watch.

Please tell Kubiak to bring Schaub along with him.
Schaub can play well against college players ?!?

qqert
10-10-2013, 05:32 PM
i voted sumlin for offensive coord and wade for head coach.

steelbtexan
10-10-2013, 06:03 PM
i voted sumlin for offensive coord and wade for head coach.

After the last 8 yrs of Gary I hope and pray the Texans dont let any Aggie have a position of importance in the on the field product.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-10-2013, 07:15 PM
David Shaw, but of those 4 I would go with Cowher.

burro
10-10-2013, 07:50 PM
Gruden, obviously. We can keep 39 QBs on the roster and rotate a new one in every time we don't convert on 3rd down! That should make everyone happy.

Seriously though, no to all.

Texian
10-10-2013, 08:17 PM
David Shaw = Head Coach

Eric DeCosta or Oliver Luck = GM

Seegara
10-10-2013, 09:06 PM
This is really a poll where multiple choices should be allowed. I'd trade for Gruden, Saban, or Cowher.

Texecutioner
10-10-2013, 09:37 PM
I'd trade Gary literally for anyone at this point. I don't care how bad they are as a HC or what their resume is. Anything to rid this team of this stubborn mental handicap. I'd take a bad season or two of rebuilding over wasting another 7 to 8 years hoping that Kubiak will somehow get it when he clearly has shown he doesn't learn from past mistakes.

BullNation4Life
10-10-2013, 10:50 PM
After the last 8 yrs of Gary I hope and pray the Texans dont let any Aggie have a position of importance in the on the field product.

Technically Sumlin is a Boilermaker, not an Aggie. He went to Purdue...

Kubiak graduated from TAMU, and is a true Aggie...

Plus Sumlin has done more as a TAMU coach in 1 full season than any other coach in 30 years...

thunderkyss
10-11-2013, 06:03 AM
Plus Mack Brown has done more as a TAMU coach in 1 full season than any other coach in 30 years...

Fixed it for you. Had Mack Brown recruited JonnyFootball TAMU would have been very different.

silvrhand
10-11-2013, 08:36 AM
I love fantasy land threads. Fact is: if anything happens to Gary we all know, deep in our hearts, Wade is the new HC.

I like Wade as a DC, but not as a HC.. please for the love of god do not let this happen.

kingtexan
10-11-2013, 10:56 AM
Fixed it for you. Had Mack Brown recruited JonnyFootball TAMU would have been very different.

Yes because Sumlin had no success with Keenum at all, its all about JFF.

BullNation4Life
10-11-2013, 11:08 AM
Fixed it for you. Had Mack Brown recruited JonnyFootball TAMU would have been very different.

Ha yes that is true. I would have been interested to see what QB Sumlin would have used had Manziel went to Austin.