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gafftop
10-08-2013, 05:56 AM
I can't wait to see GK's game plan this week.
Did we run a naked boot last week? I think GK figured out that play is DEAD.
GK might have figured out pass to 80 outside is DEAD, maybe?
Short dump over middle might be DEAD? Actually may be an option.
I guess we can try and keep them honest deep a few times but MS seemed to have an accuracy problem and really can't throw deep.
In fact based on last week he seemed to be off on all throws longer than the check down and pass to RB's

Hard to threaten a team when your gun shoots blanks and the other guy knows it. Or he knows you have no gun at all.

So do we see a whole lot of running? I am sure GK already knows better than I what his options are based on his coming up with past game plan. Maybe not because he still called the "SCHAUB" last week multiple times.

Seriously what is an effective game plan with MS at QB?

I still say game planning against MS and GK is a defensive coordinators DREAM. Remember Saban article in SI a few weeks back in reference to preparing for A&M game.

What does GK come up with???

cstyle42
10-08-2013, 06:38 AM
Simply pressure Schaub at the line of scrimmage and easily read the body language of Schaub and the play calling of Kubiak.

silvrhand
10-08-2013, 06:43 AM
I can't wait to see GK's game plan this week.
Did we run a naked boot last week? I think GK figured out that play is DEAD.
GK might have figured out pass to 80 outside is DEAD, maybe?
Short dump over middle might be DEAD? Actually may be an option.
I guess we can try and keep them honest deep a few times but MS seemed to have an accuracy problem and really can't throw deep.
In fact based on last week he seemed to be off on all throws longer than the check down and pass to RB's

Hard to threaten a team when your gun shoots blanks and the other guy knows it. Or he knows you have no gun at all.

So do we see a whole lot of running? I am sure GK already knows better than I what his options are based on his coming up with past game plan. Maybe not because he still called the "SCHAUB" last week multiple times.

Seriously what is an effective game plan with MS at QB?

I still say game planning against MS and GK is a defensive coordinators DREAM. Remember Saban article in SI a few weeks back in reference to preparing for A&M game.

What does GK come up with???

Nothing, he'll continue to run the gimmick offense with no down the field threat, the team we face will play zone, start to switch to man and then eventually start blitzing us like a hooker on crack cocaine.. Jeff Fisher will be very aggressive, as he always is on defense. Matt will crumble up before he even gets hit, and go down, and hopefully it won't be a 5 game pick 6 streak. Although if it gets Kubiak fired, I'm all for a 8 game pick 6 streak.

Game over.

Runner
10-08-2013, 07:10 AM
Maybe: run run run run slant run outlet pass run run...

Then praise after game for Schaub's gutsy turnaround.

Corrosion
10-08-2013, 08:55 AM
Nothing, he'll continue to run the gimmick offense with no down the field threat.

He's bound to that if he sticks with Schaub .... his arm is dead. I rewatched the game last night since my internet was down and I couldn't argue with you all.

Its quite obvious he has lost some (a LOT) of velocity .... why I think has to do with footwork and the lisfranc. He's throwing off the back foot or just not following thru more times than not. That tells me consciously or not he's compensating for the foot.


Don't expect downfield throws if Schaub is under center.

Rey
10-08-2013, 09:45 AM
Schaub is struggling because he hasn't gotten as many easy throws this year. He looks the same to me. But since teams are playing the bootlegs with more discipline and you have (1) a defender in Schaub's face when he rolls out (2) solid coverage over the top, he can't make a play.

He's never been a guy that is going to sit in the pocket all game and pick you apart. He's leaned on the back of this offense and now when teams are playing it with more discipline he struggles.

cstyle42
10-08-2013, 09:58 AM
Schaub is struggling because he hasn't gotten as many easy throws this year. He looks the same to me. But since teams are playing the bootlegs with more discipline and you have (1) a defender in Schaub's face when he rolls out (2) solid coverage over the top, he can't make a play.

He's never been a guy that is going to sit in the pocket all game and pick you apart. He's leaned on the back of this offense and now when teams are playing it with more discipline he struggles.

Too many of us texan fans don't understand what you just stated. This is exactly why I've been saying Schaub is the same Quarterback he has always been.

Giant Tiger
10-08-2013, 10:01 AM
Maybe: run run run run slant run outlet pass run run...

Then praise after game for Schaub's gutsy turnaround.

How about if we try running the wildcat the entire game? :stirpot: :heh:

mussop
10-08-2013, 10:04 AM
Nothing, he'll continue to run the gimmick offense with no down the field threat, the team we face will play zone, start to switch to man and then eventually start blitzing us like a hooker on crack cocaine.. Jeff Fisher will be very aggressive, as he always is on defense. Matt will crumble up before he even gets hit, and go down, and hopefully it won't be a 5 game pick 6 streak. Although if it gets Kubiak fired, I'm all for a 8 game pick 6 streak.

Game over.

I just can't understand why we don't go to our TEs on quick slants or crossing routes or deep slants when defenses start blitzing LBs. Anyway great post.

Corrosion
10-08-2013, 10:08 AM
Schaub is struggling because he hasn't gotten as many easy throws this year. He looks the same to me. But since teams are playing the bootlegs with more discipline and you have (1) a defender in Schaub's face when he rolls out (2) solid coverage over the top, he can't make a play.

He's never been a guy that is going to sit in the pocket all game and pick you apart. He's leaned on the back of this offense and now when teams are playing it with more discipline he struggles.

I don't know if you have any games from early last year , but if you do , watch any from the first quarter of the season and then any from this season and compare .... Its quite obvious when doing so that Schaubs velocity is GONE (what little he had to begin with).

bOODRO87
10-08-2013, 10:11 AM
I'm thinking he'll bounce back for St. Louis but totally gets embarrassed at Arrowhead playing against KC's solid defense. That's when the playoff collapse really begins.

:doot:

HOU-TEX
10-08-2013, 10:15 AM
Schaub shouldn't be needed in this game, imo. Run Foster and Tate the entire game. Their run defense is horrible.

This should be an easy W no matter how bad Schaub has been. Run the dang ball and crush Bradford.

If we lose this one it's ovah

Trail.Blazr
10-08-2013, 10:39 AM
I can't wait to see GK's game plan this week.
Did we run a naked boot last week? I think GK figured out that play is DEAD.
GK might have figured out pass to 80 outside is DEAD, maybe?
Short dump over middle might be DEAD? Actually may be an option.
I guess we can try and keep them honest deep a few times but MS seemed to have an accuracy problem and really can't throw deep.
In fact based on last week he seemed to be off on all throws longer than the check down and pass to RB's

Hard to threaten a team when your gun shoots blanks and the other guy knows it. Or he knows you have no gun at all.

So do we see a whole lot of running? I am sure GK already knows better than I what his options are based on his coming up with past game plan. Maybe not because he still called the "SCHAUB" last week multiple times.

Seriously what is an effective game plan with MS at QB?

I still say game planning against MS and GK is a defensive coordinators DREAM. Remember Saban article in SI a few weeks back in reference to preparing for A&M game.

What does GK come up with???

I have that pegged as the VERY first offensive play call, since only a D-Bag would do it. Unlike last week, where there were two run plays before it.

Rey
10-08-2013, 10:43 AM
I don't know if you have any games from early last year , but if you do , watch any from the first quarter of the season and then any from this season and compare .... Its quite obvious when doing so that Schaubs velocity is GONE (what little he had to begin with).

I noted early last year that Schaub's arm looked more lively than it had at any point in his career. Don't need to go watch the games. I could probably find posts where I said that last year.

But I think that was an aberration. Matt has always been a lobber more than a zinger. Maybe it is worse now. It probably is. But instill think he's about the same guy he's always been.

I don't think Matt would play this poorly all the time. I think we can win with him if the rest of the team is not making mistakes. But when he's playing like this it doesn't matter. Either way I think he's either a burden or a huge burden.

Hervoyel
10-08-2013, 10:44 AM
Schaub shouldn't be needed in this game, imo. Run Foster and Tate the entire game. Their run defense is horrible.

This should be an easy W no matter how bad Schaub has been. Run the dang ball and crush Bradford.

If we lose this one it's ovah

If we manage to win this one but haven't changed a thing it's still over.

I think this game is going to be the one that delays real change for two more weeks and ends up putting us at 3-4. We beat the Rams, everyone smiles and relaxes, and then the Chiefs bring us and Schaub back down to earth. 3-4 record.

Then we see the Colts and Luck coming to visit and we end our first half of the season getting our asses beaten at home to fall to 3-5

The time to make that change is right now with a fairly modest challenge coming here. The time to let TJ or Case take the reins is in front of a grateful and supporting home crowd against an opponent that neither one of them would have to be a hero to beat. That gives them time to get settled before visiting KC and two weeks of playing before they face the Colts back here.

If we run Schaub out there and he muddles through a win without screwing up too bad and that is followed by a bunch of "We always knew he had it in him" back slapping then we're really screwed because the good teams aren't going to stop coming and nothing will have really changed.

We'll be seeing a lot of this after Matt and the Texans beat St. Louis

:kubepalm:

Rey
10-08-2013, 10:49 AM
I don't think we are beating the rams if Schaub plays. Rams have some good players.

Thorn
10-08-2013, 10:56 AM
Re: Guess the Ram's game plan with Matt at QB

Rams players nap on their bench while Schaub throws footballs at them.

WolverineFan
10-08-2013, 10:56 AM
I don't think we are beating the rams if Schaub plays. Rams have some good players.

Their DL is very good, they can get after the QB. They have good LB's too and their CB's are excellent. Safety is by far the weak link in their defense.

They're going to get pressure and Schaub is going to crumble like he always does when he's about to get hit. I wouldn't be surprised to see his streak of INT games go to 9 or 10 in a row (whatever it is now).

Corrosion
10-08-2013, 11:00 AM
I noted early last year that Schaub's arm looked more lively than it had at any point in his career. Don't need to go watch the games. I could probably find posts where I said that last year.

But I think that was an aberration. Matt has always been a lobber more than a zinger. Maybe it is worse now. It probably is. But instill think he's about the same guy he's always been.

I don't think Matt would play this poorly all the time. I think we can win with him if the rest of the team is not making mistakes. But when he's playing like this it doesn't matter. Either way I think he's either a burden or a huge burden.

This is a league where very little separates the good from the bad. I don't think we realize how thin the line is ....

Schaub's never had a big arm ... probably had just enough to get by. For a guy limited physically like him , any loss of ability is .... enough to take him from serviceable to poor. I really believe this is what we are seeing.

silvrhand
10-08-2013, 11:55 AM
I just can't understand why we don't go to our TEs on quick slants or crossing routes or deep slants when defenses start blitzing LBs. Anyway great post.

Few Reasons:

- we don't have anyone that can beat man to man coverage.
- TE's are taken away by CB's or good LB's, such as SF's, and the safeties start playing closer to the LOS which closes in on the seam routes as you have to get it over the top of the LB, in front of the safety.
- we get behind and the run game is no longer a threat for the LB's to worrry about.
- we get double A gap blitzed because noone worries about Matt "escaping" the pocket, which makes it even harder for him to see anything over the center of the field.

jaayteetx
10-08-2013, 11:56 AM
Prey he starts and stays all game?

Pollardized
10-08-2013, 12:04 PM
Rams players nap on their bench while Schaub throws footballs at them.

He can't throw that far. :kubepalm:

leebigeztx
10-08-2013, 01:21 PM
I just can't understand why we don't go to our TEs on quick slants or crossing routes or deep slants when defenses start blitzing LBs. Anyway great post.


Think players,not plays. You think defenses are worried about graham or daniels? No defense thinks either of those guys winning vertical like the other high end tes.Think of the best tes in the game right now and none were ex qbs. Most were ex basketball players.Why did I mention that? Athleticism. Most times,the qb who moves to te is because he can read coverage,not because he a good foot athlete. When u see gates,jimmy,jordan,gonzo,gronk,hernandez,davis, and even fred davis and cook, those guys are great foot athletes. Even the habitual ball dropper jermichael and the resurgent martellus are great foot athletes. Who do the texans have? That's my point.

Ghostform
10-08-2013, 01:51 PM
Cant speak for the Rams but our pregame starts out with Schaub warming up with the Rams secondary to try and develop some rhythm come game time. Shane Lechler will be punting hot dogs to Randy Bollocks as he catches all of them with his mouth. Texans D will be hitting a tackling dummy with a Schaub jersey painted on it but the dummy will fall before anyone of them get to hit it. Kubiak brings a podium and a script to the sideline and practices tapping it while practicing his lines "its on me" and "we have bigger problems like D and ST" but has a hard time because he cant read his own handwriting. Joe Marciano will name Ben Jones as the new kick and punt returner claiming "this guy is explosive" after hearing him take a dump after practice this week.

Porky
10-08-2013, 01:52 PM
I used to see OD getting open straight down the seam frequently. I think that was more scheme and offensive design rather than athleticism but it did work. So while having an elite athlete at TE would be great, in the past it hasn't been critical to have here.

Can someone tell me what happened to the play action and boots this season? The PA and/or bootleg off of PA consistently worked well until late last year and this year. So, you say defenses aren't biting anymore. Well, they bit last year until late. And the year before that. And the year before that. And the year before that. And the year before that.

But suddenly, defenses have it all figured out? What, did a genius come in from Switzerland and have a meeting with the DC of the other 31 teams?

I don't doubt that some of it is that these other teams have seen the Texans time and again, and we continue to trot out the same exact formula year after year with nary a wrinkle. So, maybe that is some of it.

But that doesn't explain all of it. Now when we PA, Matt stands there like a chicken crossing the road, not quite knowing which way to go and then dumps it off for a couple of yards. On TV it's so hard to see the whole field so I can only guess he isn't seeing guys open.

Bottom line is when the PA and boots don't work in this offense, it stinks to high heaven. The question I have is why isn't it working?

Is it just the QB? Is it defenses catching up? Play calling? Players? Oline? Scheme?

Whatever it is, either the execution must get MUCH better, or Kubes must change the whole nature of the offense, which is basically impossible mid-season and which I don't think he is capable of anyway. He is completely married to his version of the west coast.

I see a long, long, season ahead I'm afraid. I've gone from predicting 12 wins to around 9 to 8 and now I think more like 6 - which will be the patsies and mainly because the D is good...but even that might be on the high side if the D slides at all.

And for all you people saying the Rams are going to be easy sledding, let's talk again about that around 3pm Sunday. I won't be surprised in the least if the Rams win. In fact, I'm expecting it. :kitten:

Vinny
10-08-2013, 01:54 PM
Can someone tell me what happened to the play action and boots this season?
good article on this at espn...

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2225206#post2225206

TheIronDuke
10-08-2013, 01:55 PM
Cant speak for the Rams but our pregame starts out with Schaub warming up with the Rams secondary to try and develop some rhythm come game time. Shane Lechler will be punting hot dogs to Randy Bollocks as he catches all of them with his mouth. Texans D will be hitting a tackling dummy with a Schaub jersey painted on it but the dummy will fall before anyone of them get to hit it. Kubiak brings a podium and a script to the sideline and practices tapping it while practicing his lines "its on me" and "we have bigger problems like D and ST" but has a hard time because he cant read his own handwriting. Joe Marciano will name Ben Jones as the new kick and punt returner claiming "this guy is explosive" after hearing him take a dump after practice this week.

:bravo: Hilarious stuff bro!

Porky
10-08-2013, 04:20 PM
good article on this at espn...

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2225206#post2225206

Well that certainly confirms what my eyes have been telling me, but I don't really see the why in there unless I missed it. Good stuff Vinny!

welsh texan
10-08-2013, 04:34 PM
The bootleg has been our staple in the Kubiak era.

Is one reason teams are better against it now because they have to respect genuinely mobile dual threat QBs far more. The likes of Kaep, Wilson, RGIII...all of a sudden the texans' bread and butter is just a tame little brother and is become bread and butter to our opponents.

The really weird thing with Schaub is, whilst he's always lacked mobility, hes also never really been a true pocket passer either.

I'm done with Schaub, but props to the guy...made the most of his god given talent and had a good career, been good for the texans, and seems a genuinely decent bloke.

At some point, you gotta take the poorly hamster to the vets and end the suffering. I bet Kubes' hamsters all died in pain when he was a kid :roast:

Premier
10-08-2013, 05:06 PM
He looks the same to me.

he is the same guy, the system is failing so the system qb is failing. it has nothing to do with his foot, hes always had a noodle arm, hes put up yards throwing to wide open receivers. this qb friendly system hasnt forced schaub to make a tough decision his entire career.. you run the plays, if the play doesnt develop the way its drawn, you throw it away. when pressure gets there you curl up or make a bad choice.. wish we would have gotten rid of this guy years ago while everyone was gettin caught up in the numbers he put up against bottom dwelling mediocre defenses in 2011..

DX-TEX
10-08-2013, 05:08 PM
What if: Innegan returns a pick 6 this Sunday?

Vinny
10-08-2013, 06:06 PM
What if: Innegan returns a pick 6 this Sunday?Andre punches out Schaub?

Corrosion
10-08-2013, 06:14 PM
The entire roster punches the statue we call Schuab

FIFY! :corrosion:

thunderkyss
10-08-2013, 10:54 PM
Maybe: run run run run slant run outlet pass run run...

Then praise after game for Schaub's gutsy turnaround.

I see something similar.

Run, run, run, run, run, punt.

run, run, slant, punt.


run, run, run, run, run, FG


run, slant, slant, punt

repeat.

There won't be any talk of a Matt Schaub turnaround. Instead, they'll be asking him if his play calling was due to his QB being shell-shocked. He'll say no, the entire play book was at our disposal, the game just wasn't very conducive to a lot of passing.

No one will put him on the spot & remind him we were down 21-3 at the half.

thunderkyss
10-08-2013, 10:58 PM
I'm thinking he'll bounce back for St. Louis but totally gets embarrassed at Arrowhead playing against KC's solid defense. That's when the playoff collapse really begins.

:doot:

I think too many of us are giving KC too much credit. We'll beat them & some are going to put that in the quality win column.

If not for Schaub's recent troubles, on paper we should unquestionably be the favorite going into KC.

thunderkyss
10-08-2013, 11:12 PM
I noted early last year that Schaub's arm looked more lively than it had at any point in his career. Don't need to go watch the games. I could probably find posts where I said that last year.

But I think that was an aberration. Matt has always been a lobber more than a zinger. Maybe it is worse now. It probably is. But instill think he's about the same guy he's always been.

I don't think Matt would play this poorly all the time. I think we can win with him if the rest of the team is not making mistakes. But when he's playing like this it doesn't matter. Either way I think he's either a burden or a huge burden.

My opinion of Matt Schaub isn't far from yours. & I'm seeing the same guy he's always been. The only reason I can think of anyone trying so hard to blame this on his Lisfranc, is that they actually thought he was a franchise QB.

He's one step up from a game manager. His biggest weakness is that he is not clutch. If he had a little clutch in him, he could be mistaken for "elite" in this system.

If we were to get to the play-offs this year, we're going to need Arian to be clutch. Matt can move the ball between the 20s, but in the RedZone, it's got to be Arian.

Kubiak knows this. That's why they signed Schaub for $40M less than Romo, Flacco, & Ryan.

Norg
10-09-2013, 03:50 AM
Blitz Hard and BLitz Fast and hit Matt in da MOUF

im talking like 5 man rush every down and on 3rd and long send the hole kitchen sink like 7 man rush LOL

waynegg
10-09-2013, 03:57 AM
Yell "TO ME!!!" So schaub knows which corner/lb/safety to throw it to.

thunderkyss
10-09-2013, 07:30 AM
Yell "TO ME!!!" So schaub knows which corner/lb/safety to throw it to.

I think the Rams feel bad for him. Their hearts are going to melt when Schaub is booed at the intro, the coin-flip, & the first time he walks on the field. The defense is going to tell him what they're doing before the snap, try to help him out.

At the snap, they're all going to point to open receivers. They'll knock down a couple of sure interceptions, but on that third one, their going to run it to our end zone for him.

HOU-TEX
10-09-2013, 09:23 AM
Cant speak for the Rams but our pregame starts out with Schaub warming up with the Rams secondary to try and develop some rhythm come game time. Shane Lechler will be punting hot dogs to Randy Bollocks as he catches all of them with his mouth. Texans D will be hitting a tackling dummy with a Schaub jersey painted on it but the dummy will fall before anyone of them get to hit it. Kubiak brings a podium and a script to the sideline and practices tapping it while practicing his lines "its on me" and "we have bigger problems like D and ST" but has a hard time because he cant read his own handwriting. Joe Marciano will name Ben Jones as the new kick and punt returner claiming "this guy is explosive" after hearing him take a dump after practice this week.

:spit: This is awesome, man