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TexanBorn51
10-07-2013, 03:24 PM
I'm 62 and been an Oiler fan since the 60's. I actually read quite a lot of threads here over the years and sometimes have posted. But here I enjoy reading everyone's opinions, feelings, thoughts, and have learned quite a bit about the Texans and football. I'm not much good trying to explain myself. I also do have my thoughts and opinions. Almost most of the time my restraint wins and keeps me from posting whether from frustration, time, laziness, or staying away from honest confrontation. But today I found this link and there are others that I was not expecting before the season started. I know it's the talk of town and I'm just trying to be moderate, patient, and cool about it. But after hearing this was like breaking through a hard shell of many people's take on the Schaub Kubiak thing. Listen and watch around us and one will see that you also don't have to be a Texan fan to see what's going on here. I wish the Texans the best this year for whatever outcome. But there is a reason for all this and I'm slowly finding out IMHO where I stand. Here is an example
http://www.sportsoverdose.com/video/do-texans-need-to-make-qb-change-2.html

Mr teX
10-07-2013, 03:32 PM
I mean its stephen a and skip bayless so u have to take what they say with a grain if salt.....but its hard to dispute anything stephen a is saying...its all out there at this point...

thunderkyss
10-07-2013, 03:36 PM
I'm not much good trying to explain myself.

Solid post old timer. Keep them coming.

I liked Steven A Smith when he first came on the scene, because he said what needed to be said, in a room full of people he had no business saying it.

Then when he started to get clout...... I turned him off. Got tired of his "act"

But he's spot on here. I really like his comments about Keenum. Solid points.

Exactly what they(we) need.

Thorn
10-07-2013, 03:46 PM
Solid post old timer.

Old timer? He's the same age as me. I can assure you, not only are we smarter than you we are also better looking. :fingergun:

cstyle42
10-07-2013, 03:49 PM
I mean its stephen a and skip bayless so u have to take what they say with a grain if salt.....but its hard to dispute anything stephen a is saying...its all out there at this point...

The truth either comforts or offends. This day has been coming people don't have to say Schaub is terrible over time the truth always comes to the light. That's why 4 years ago when Steve Young said Schaub is never the reason Texans win... I knew most us texans fans wouldn't agree. 4 years later we are here. David Carr for 5 years... the oilers... this is all about making money filling up seats in the stadium.

TexanBorn51
10-07-2013, 03:53 PM
lol forever young for all you guys thanks for the replies. Hey thunderkyss it's been a long time but I actually do remember that I think you were the first one to reply years ago to me. Good to hear from ya. n yea Thorn we look better not sure on the smarter thing tho lol. Anyways I feel better now that I'm not totally alone on this QB change stuff but many posters here are threading it around. I was just tying to handshake that to the other world out there. They're doing the same thing.

Playoffs
10-07-2013, 03:56 PM
Steven A Smith is right... he doesn't know what he's talking about. Best thing Steven A Smith has done is sit next to Skippy Bayless -- everyone looks/sounds good sitting next to Bayless.

Scooter
10-07-2013, 03:58 PM
must be cold in hades, i actually agree with those two idiots (stephen A and whatshisname, not thorn and texan). :fingergun:

BullNation4Life
10-07-2013, 03:59 PM
Never thought these words would EVER come out of my mouth when it came to those two douche monkeys..

HOWEVA!!!

they are absolutely right. Matty Pick 6 is dead as the Houston Texans QB, Kubiak and McNair are just to stubborn to realize it. Is Keenum the answer, don't know because he hasn't got his chance to prove to anybody right or wrong. should he get his shot, hell yes he should.

Hervoyel
10-07-2013, 04:14 PM
I mean its stephen a and skip bayless so u have to take what they say with a grain if salt.....but its hard to dispute anything stephen a is saying...its all out there at this point...

It is indeed but like you're saying, this is "blinding flash of the obvious" stuff right here. There's no law in the universe that says that those two guys can never be right. In fact the law of averages tells us that sooner or later, even if it's by sheer dumb luck they're going to get one right.

This is pretty much what I see too.

When Yates came in for Schaub (actually Leinart now that I think about it) two years ago he provided a spark at that time and I'm not going to say he couldn't do it again. I know Gary will not bench Schaub but going forward with the assumption that he does (maybe following the soon to be record-extending fifth straight pick-six courtesy of Cortland Finnegan) then sure, you know Yates is coming. It is the way Gary Kubiak does business. It is the only way he knows how to do business. Keenum represents raw talent and ability to him. Keenum is the wildcard here. If he didn't have that to offer then he wouldn't be taking up a roster spot. There are plenty of guys out there who could sit in the 3 spot and wear a baseball cap. Guys with experience who aren't going to be starters but who Gary would feel fine about way back there behind Matt and TJ. Gary has had projects before and the ones who have nothing to offer do a year on the practice squad and wash out. or two years on the practice squad and wash out. Clearly Keenum has shown him something to merit a roster spot.

Yates on the other hand represents safety and experience. Not to the extent that Schaub does but in a scenario where Schaub is no longer an option Gary must go with Yates first. It's just how he's built.

If Yates succeeds then fine. Great. The team gets its spark and maybe the ship gets righted. If Yates doesn't make that happen then all I'm saying is that going back to Schaub will be the death of the season for the Texans. It will be the move that turns a team not believing in their QB into a team that doesn't believe in their head coach.

HJam72
10-07-2013, 04:25 PM
I don't really know what the outcome would be, but I'd be so proud of Kubiak right now if Keenum started the next game. You can't find answers if you don't look for them.

RunningTheSouth
10-07-2013, 04:27 PM
Some good videos, hopefully we get a chance to see what Keenum has this season.

Porky
10-07-2013, 04:27 PM
Completely agree with everything they said and their reasoning. Nothing more to add. Simply spot on.

eriadoc
10-07-2013, 06:03 PM
A stopped clock is right twice a day.

Premier
10-07-2013, 06:07 PM
the rams are coming to town, schaub will have a great game against a bad team (much like his entire 2011) and it will buy him a couple more years.. there will be no qb change..

cstyle42
10-07-2013, 06:24 PM
the rams are coming to town, schaub will have a great game against a bad team (much like his entire 2011) and it will buy him a couple more years.. there will be no qb change..

True

drs23
10-07-2013, 06:58 PM
the rams are coming to town, schaub will have a great game against a bad team (much like his entire 2011) and it will buy him a couple more years.. there will be no qb change..

Until Schaub's display last night I would agree with you. I thinking now that Daddy Bob will have a sit down with the HC and give him the Caper's talk like he did with Wade Phillips. Someone mentioned in another thread that Rick would be the henchman. I can see that. As a GM he can't allow himself to become emotional about the situation. He has to keep it all business. Before you all go berzerk on me for Schaub's extension my money is on Kubiak talked McNair into it and I see McNair regretting it. That with his on record comments of the offseason I see a #8 head rolling down Kirby after the season. As far as the HC, I'm not sure. He has what, one more year on his contract or is this the end after the season? If it's the former I can see two heads rolling. If it's the latter, just Schaub. My guess is Bob will pressure Rick into making a move for for a franchise QB and we all know that's a crap shoot in and of itself.

Getting long winded but I'll go on record saying I believe this season is toast from what I've watched in every game since the opener. I'm very interested to see how the offseason and draft shape up.

All this after I taught Baby Girl how to holler Go Texans! She's only two so no matter who's playing as soon as she see's a football game it's on.:D

The End

midway
10-07-2013, 07:17 PM
It makes me terribly sad to agree with those two buffoons.

Texan in Japan
10-07-2013, 09:37 PM
Nice vid, unfortunately they nailed it and so have several of the comments following. Kubes is loyal and follows the rank structure. That's why Yates will get the next shot.

I spent 25 years in the military and commanded several organizations. As you know, in the military you have a rank structure and something called "time in grade" (TIG) which simply means how senior you are for that rank. I believe Yates is the back-up because he's been in the league longer and did nothing in the pre-season to lose that position in Kubiak's mind. Maybe a little of that Aggie Military stuff was driven into his soul and he's too rigid to adapt.

I learned early in my career that those that adapt the quickest do the best. I never hired people for positions based on TIG, I bucked "the system" because I knew to have a winning organization you have to have the best people in the toughest positions.

GK, it's not a sin to buck the system. Give Case Keenum the ball and build the game plan around his strengths. I'm confident he'll give us a spark. He'll make mistakes, but he has "it" and I believe that magic is what we need to stop this train wreck and get us back on track. We can win this year. This team has a defense with heart, hell Watt, Cushing, etc. have more passion and talent then one team deserves. Foster, Andre, etc. want to win and they care, you can see it in their body language. They just need a LEADER. GK, give Case the ball and a game plan, he'll not only make you proud, he'll lead this team from the edge of the abyss and at the very least make this season entertaining if not fruitful.

OzzO
10-07-2013, 10:02 PM
Nice find. Ya know... what would be the harm in starting Case? Just one game. If nothing else to sit Schaub and see if he can regroup mentally. If Case just falls apart quickly and it's apparent, fine bring in TJ to wrap up that game.

Then perhaps TJ starts next game with Case as backup. Either way, gives Matt some down time.

Flip side, what IF Case does wonders in his first game, the team gets a spark (and if a win, even better) then start him the next game, same situation. Chance to prove himself once more and if he doesn't... bring Yates in.

You're not throwing in the towel... your planning for the future, perhaps even immediate if it takes off, and seeing what you have in all 52 players and not just knowing what you have in one player.... that you've seen regress recently for some multitude of reasons.

Sigma
10-08-2013, 09:44 AM
I don't know if I rather kubiak benching Schaub or not, Actually I don't care for this season as much as I care for the future. So if the best decision for the future means a crappy '13 season I still will be on board.

I don't have any problems saying I am ignorant when talking about football, I don't have much time to do research and I watch it just for fun.
I'm not even american, so it's even harder for me to stay informed.

This said, I really like what I've seen of Keenum... I think he could become our next franchise QB, but I think it's too soon to make him start.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I have this feeling that If he is put in that position before time it could be worst for us than to wait end suck it up for this season.

Yates in my eyes is more or less like Schaub, he could be better but he could be worse... For the long run I feel yates will at best become Schaub-bis.

So in the end I think kubiak should let schaub start, if he gets better we could still have a good season, if he stinks getting rid of him will be much more simple.

Next year make sure Keenum is ready (the team needs to be ready for him too) and start him from day 1.

Yates is a solid #2 QB for now, and will be in the future.

This is how I see the situation, If you think I'm wrong feel free to point out the flaws but please give me some reference so I can improve my understanding of the game.

Malloy
10-08-2013, 10:07 AM
I never thought I would say this, but I actually enjoyed this bit from ESPN.

Sure, some of the football stuff mentioned is open for discussion, but what REALLY impressed me was the format of the program. Two people, knowledgeable of football gets to speak their mind WITHOUT someone else interrupting. Compared to the NFL-N stuff coming out these days, this was actually informative and not just irritating.

On the ball side, I am in the same corner as the hosts... At this point 'something' is preferable to Schaub, and instead of plugging the hole with something similar, let's, if only for entertainment value, put something different on the field.

I'm ready to lose the season with Keenum, if only for the entertaintment value :)

badboy
10-08-2013, 10:40 AM
TB51 glad to see you posting & offering opinion. I, like the rest of you, want what is best for our team. I consider myself loyal to players even those having down time or not as productive as I had hoped; see Brandon Harris. MS has done enough prior to this season for me to reluctantly say he was the best we could do. Now I am just disgusted. The point of video that stood out to me is what I want (of course) & that is a spark plug that will ignite the Texans' engine. I think that is Keenum. I watch Cougar ball when there is a player that gets my attention and Case did that long ago. First he perseveres and has gone against naysayers his entire football life. If you are unaware of his story, research. There are plenty of posts on this MB with numerous links. His only negative is height but he not only is a player but a leader and field general. College stats: http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/stats/_/id/191981/case-keenum

Sure you cannot go on stats alone but many here have watched him play many times. He is extremely accurate and unlike Manziel and some of the other hybrid QBs, he runs only when he has to.

Giant Tiger
10-08-2013, 10:53 AM
Nice vid, unfortunately they nailed it and so have several of the comments following. Kubes is loyal and follows the rank structure. That's why Yates will get the next shot.

I spent 25 years in the military and commanded several organizations. As you know, in the military you have a rank structure and something called "time in grade" (TIG) which simply means how senior you are for that rank. I believe Yates is the back-up because he's been in the league longer and did nothing in the pre-season to lose that position in Kubiak's mind. Maybe a little of that Aggie Military stuff was driven into his soul and he's too rigid to adapt.

I learned early in my career that those that adapt the quickest do the best. I never hired people for positions based on TIG, I bucked "the system" because I knew to have a winning organization you have to have the best people in the toughest positions.

GK, it's not a sin to buck the system. Give Case Keenum the ball and build the game plan around his strengths. I'm confident he'll give us a spark. He'll make mistakes, but he has "it" and I believe that magic is what we need to stop this train wreck and get us back on track. We can win this year. This team has a defense with heart, hell Watt, Cushing, etc. have more passion and talent then one team deserves. Foster, Andre, etc. want to win and they care, you can see it in their body language. They just need a LEADER. GK, give Case the ball and a game plan, he'll not only make you proud, he'll lead this team from the edge of the abyss and at the very least make this season entertaining if not fruitful.

I agree with this. I have a question, though. Will it make any difference who the quarterback is, whether it's Yates or Keennum, or even a high draft pick next year? Have other teams figured out Kubiak's playcalling? Not excusing Schaub, but I get the feeling defenses know what's coming. I just don't know if another quarterback is the answer.

Sigma
10-08-2013, 11:05 AM
I agree with this. I have a question, though. Will it make any difference who the quarterback is, whether it's Yates or Keennum, or even a high draft pick next year? Have other teams figured out Kubiak's playcalling? Not excusing Schaub, but I get the feeling defenses know what's coming. I just don't know if another quarterback is the answer.

I don't know kubiak that well, if you think Kubiak's playcalling will be the same even with a different type of QB then yes, predictability could be an issue.

I don't think I know the answer, but I hope he is capable enough as HC to adapt the playcalling to best suit the QB/Team.

michaelm
10-08-2013, 11:05 AM
I agree with this. I have a question, though. Will it make any difference who the quarterback is, whether it's Yates or Keennum, or even a high draft pick next year? Have other teams figured out Kubiak's playcalling? Not excusing Schaub, but I get the feeling defenses know what's coming. I just don't know if another quarterback is the answer.

I have the same questions. I don't think Gary's plays are horrible, but the way he calls them is terribly predictable. I really think he needs to hand his Denny's menu to Dennison and let him call the plays. Same plays, different caller. It's obviously not revolutionary, but I think it would be helpful.

HTown2ATX
10-08-2013, 10:07 PM
Finally just saw the First Take video and as much as that show is usually just my clown show entertainment at lunch when I see the replay of the day's episode, I have to say I agreed with them both a lot. Which sucks because it's Tuesday night and usually I'm over a loss by now but as loaded as this roster is, it is a travesty that Kubiak may let Schaub continue to $hit his pants before our very eyes and wreck this season even more.

Do I hope Schaub can turn it around and be awesome and lead the Texans to a SB? Duh.....of course. However, I don't have rose colored glasses and I'm not a sunshine pumper and I refuse, absolutely refuse to slurp at the altar of mediocrity any longer. This isn't the first, I don't know, 5 years of the franchise. It is time to expect more and if you don't think it is and the same ol same ol is just fine than I suggest not watching and just playing Mario Kart or something. This team needs something, anything to spark it whether that is Yates or Keenum at QB I don't care. Schaub has demonstrated as of now this season is over if he keeps playing. So WHY IN THE HELL would anyone be hesitant to move on yet? He is NOT the best chance to win anymore.

There is no way you can convince me that soon should Schaub keep $hitting his pants the locker room won't be a mess. Of course all the players are giving the corporate speak but c'mon, if you live in reality for a sec you KNOW Andre Johnson and others who deserve better and have too much talent are probably even more pissed than us fans. This team will soon if not already lose faith in Schaub is THAT is the worst thing that can happen.

Actually that's not the worst thing that can happen. This team needs to either go 12-4 and win the SB or lose in the playoffs or 4-12 so we can blow Schaub and Kubes out the door finally which could be argued should have happened years ago. The worst thing that can happen is Kubiak run just enough wins off to keep his job and keep the Texans stuck in mediocrity because you know Ole Uncle Bob won't do anything about it.

MEGA SWATT
10-09-2013, 01:01 AM
Thanks for posting that. I have to agree with them.