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WolverineFan
10-07-2013, 02:08 PM
This is a list of QB's that could be in the next draft. Obvious note, not all will enter the draft. All heights and weights are taken from various scouting websites and probably not 100% accurate. Rankings are from research and my own personal opinion. Without further ado....


1. Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville - Top 5
- Junior
- 6'3, 205

2. Marcus Mariota, Oregon - Top 10
- RS Sophomore
- 6'4, 215

3. Brett Hundley, UCLA - Top 10
- RS Sophomore
- 6'3, 225

4. Tajh Boyd, Clemson - Top 15
- RS Senior
- 6'1, 225

5. Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M - Top 25
- RS Sophomore
- 6'0, 200

6. Aaron Murray, Georgia - 2nd Round
- RS Senior
- 6'1, 210

7. Zach Mettenberger, LSU - 2nd Round
- RS Senior
- 6'5, 235

8. Kevin Hogan, Stanford - 2nd Round
- RS Sophomore
- 6'4, 220

9. Stephen Morris, Miami (FL.) - 3rd Round
- Senior
- 6'2, 220

10. A.J. McCarron, Alabama - 3rd Round
- RS Senior
- 6'3, 215

11. Derek Carr, Fresno State - 3rd Round
- RS Senior
- 6'3, 215

12. David Fales, San Jose State - 3rd Round
- Senior
- 6'2, 220

13. Sean Mannion, Oregon State - 4th Round
- RS Junior
- 6'5, 220

14. Jeff Mathews, Cornell - 4th Round
- Senior
- 6'3, 225

15. Bryn Renner, North Carolina - 4th Round
- RS Senior
- 6'2, 225

Smokedawg
10-07-2013, 02:13 PM
7. Zach Mettenberger, LSU - 2nd RoundIs skyrocketing up the boards.



11. Derek Carr, Fresno State - 3rd Round:toropalm:

TexansSeminole
10-07-2013, 02:53 PM
Assume for a second that we tank this season and McNair actually fires Kubiak.

Based on Schaub's contract, would that new coach feel it more prudent to stick with our current group of quarterbacks, or do you think that he would look at moving on completely?

WolverineFan
10-07-2013, 03:00 PM
Assume for a second that we tank this season and McNair actually fires Kubiak.

Based on Schaub's contract, would that new coach feel it more prudent to stick with our current group of quarterbacks, or do you think that he would look at moving on completely?

Tough to say. A new coach might decide to roll with Schaub for a year to find things out for himself. Or he might already know enough and decide to move on.

The end result is the same. We need to move away from Schaub and plenty of us have known that for a while now. Next year's draft is the perfect opportunity because it is deep with potential starters.

b0ng
10-07-2013, 03:02 PM
I don't think Mariota is going to be as accurate as most NFL coaching staffs would like, he's probably going to drop. There are a lot of dudes that look like 1st or 2nd round talents.

WolverineFan
10-07-2013, 03:08 PM
I don't think Mariota is going to be as accurate as most NFL coaching staffs would like, he's probably going to drop. There are a lot of dudes that look like 1st or 2nd round talents.

I'm actually not a big Mariota fan. The Oregon offense sets everything up for the QB and all he has to do is not mess it up. Like Manziel, he won't be able to run like he does to escape pressure and mistakes. He's going to have to live off his arm, not his legs.

However, most scouts see him as the top guy behind Bridgewater so that's why I ranked him #2. In my personal opinion, Boyd is #2 and Hundley #3.

Mr teX
10-07-2013, 03:13 PM
I'm actually not a big Mariota fan. The Oregon offense sets everything up for the QB and all he has to do is not mess it up. Like Manziel, he won't be able to run like he does to escape pressure and mistakes. He's going to have to live off his arm, not his legs.

However, most scouts see him as the top guy behind Bridgewater so that's why I ranked him #2. In my personal opinion, Boyd is #2 and Hundley #3.

Tell me more about this Hundley kid...haven't seen him play much...

Also, what are your thoughts on trying to make a trade for 1 of these young prospects from off someone's team in the NFL....

Dysert/Osweiler from the Broncos

Foles from the Eagles?

Bray from the chiefs?

PapaL
10-07-2013, 03:14 PM
Reuniting Nuk with Tajh Boyd would be a thing of beauty.

WolverineFan
10-07-2013, 03:27 PM
Tell me more about this Hundley kid...haven't seen him play much...

He was a top recruit coming out of Arizona. He has a very strong arm with good zip. Not great top end speed, but very good mobility. Like I've said before, he's a passer that can run, not a runner that can throw (Mariota is the later, IMO). Makes solid decisions and rarely hesitates. UCLA runs somewhat of a Pistol Spread, but Noel Mazzone incorporates a lot of pro concepts into his offense. Jim Mora is his head coach and there is a lot of NFL experience on the staff.

Beat out 2 Seniors as a RS Freshman for the starting job. Completed 66% of his passes for 3,740 yards and 29 TD's with 11 picks. Also ran for 355 yards and 9 TD's.


Also, what are your thoughts on trying to make a trade for 1 of these young prospects from off someone's team in the NFL....

Dysert/Osweiler from the Broncos

Foles from the Eagles?

Bray from the chiefs?

I'm not really in the "trade for prospect" camp. The draft next year is too good at QB. I think we could draft a better prospect than we could trade for. We could end up with a pretty good shot at landing a guy like Boyd in the 1st without trading up. Of the guys on that list, Foles is the only one I would even consider trading for. Also Kirk Cousins from the Redskins.

NCTexan
10-07-2013, 03:30 PM
Right now I'm on the Hundley bandwagon, but I think he's gone before we pick. I would love to move up and grab him, but it's doubtful. Boyd is my second right now.

I want someone who can make some kinda of play with their legs, but preferably in the Russell Wilson, run around until someone can get open mode.

WolverineFan
10-07-2013, 03:33 PM
Right now I'm on the Hundley bandwagon, but I think he's gone before we pick. I would love to move up and grab him, but it's doubtful. Boyd is my second right now.

I want someone who can make some kinda of play with their legs, but preferably in the Russell Wilson, run around until someone can get open mode.

Bridgewater, Boyd, and Hundley are all guys that use their mobility to enhance the passing game. They can escape pressure, but they are looking downfield.

Mariota and Manziel are both run-first guys that scramble at the first sign of pressure. Manziel, in particular, has a tendency to break the pocket on the blitz even if everything is picked up. I have serious reservations about how he reacts to NFL defenses.

htownfan32
10-07-2013, 03:34 PM
I'm actually not a big Mariota fan. The Oregon offense sets everything up for the QB and all he has to do is not mess it up. Like Manziel, he won't be able to run like he does to escape pressure and mistakes. He's going to have to live off his arm, not his legs.

However, most scouts see him as the top guy behind Bridgewater so that's why I ranked him #2. In my personal opinion, Boyd is #2 and Hundley #3.

As homer as I am about Manziel, this is my concern with him in the NFL. I have fears that he's just a system baby, same as I have/had fears about Keenum, though I was impressed with Keenum's play in the preseason.

That being said Manziel is trying really hard to showcase that he can be a pocket passer. There is a distinct lack of magical runs on broken plays though he is just as good dodging defenders in the backfield as he was last year. Whether he actually looks good as a pocket passer is yet to be determined. I'll say this about him, though. He doesn't jump to the run right after one read. He's going through his progressions.

In an ideal world he stays one more year and improves even more, but that's not happening. He needs to work on being a pass first guy.

For the record my ideal, rational choice for this team is Tajh Boyd. I think TexansSeminole is also on that bandwagon with me. I just like being an irrational homer :trapstar:

htownfan32
10-07-2013, 03:35 PM
More importantly, where do you think we'll be picking? At this rate we might have our choice of QBs, with the exception of Teddy Bridgewater and whoever's drafted second.

NCTexan
10-07-2013, 03:40 PM
Bridgewater, Boyd, and Hundley are all guys that use their mobility to enhance the passing game. They can escape pressure, but they are looking downfield.

Mariota and Manziel are both run-first guys that scramble at the first sign of pressure. Manziel, in particular, has a tendency to break the pocket on the blitz even if everything is picked up. I have serious reservations about how he reacts to NFL defenses.

I was enamored with Mariota last year, but then I watched more game tape and came to the same conclusion you did. We need someone who will stay in the pocket a bit longer.

I liked Bridgewater a lot last year, but haven't watched him much this year cause I figure he's a top pick and we won't trade up that far. I wish he was playing some tougher competition this year as well.

WolverineFan
10-07-2013, 03:56 PM
More importantly, where do you think we'll be picking? At this rate we might have our choice of QBs, with the exception of Teddy Bridgewater and whoever's drafted second.

I think we'll be drafting mid-teens. #15, #16, etc.

It depends on who is available also. I expect Bridgewater to enter, Boyd is a senior, Manziel will enter, one of Mariota and Hundley will enter, Murray is a senior, and Mettenberger is a senior.

I would expect Bridgewater to go #1, Mariota or Hundley to go top 5, Boyd top 10, and Manziel top 20. We may have to settle for Murray or move up (I don't want Manziel).

Bridgewater, Hundley, Boyd, Murray. In that order.

WolverineFan
10-07-2013, 03:58 PM
I was enamored with Mariota last year, but then I watched more game tape and came to the same conclusion you did. We need someone who will stay in the pocket a bit longer.

I liked Bridgewater a lot last year, but haven't watched him much this year cause I figure he's a top pick and we won't trade up that far. I wish he was playing some tougher competition this year as well.

I love Bridgewater. He shows Luck-like poise and decision making. The game against Florida sealed it for me. That said, he plays against that type of talent once a year and not 4 or 5 times like these other guys. The competition concerns are valid.

htownfan32
10-07-2013, 04:01 PM
I think we'll be drafting mid-teens. #15, #16, etc.

It depends on who is available also. I expect Bridgewater to enter, Boyd is a senior, Manziel will enter, one of Mariota and Hundley will enter, Murray is a senior, and Mettenberger is a senior.

I would expect Bridgewater to go #1, Mariota or Hundley to go top 5, Boyd top 10, and Manziel top 20. We may have to settle for Murray or move up (I don't want Manziel).

Bridgewater, Hundley, Boyd, Murray. In that order.

I'd be very happy with moving up 5-6 spots to pick up Boyd. If I was Rick Smith and the season continues as is that's a move I make.

WolverineFan
10-07-2013, 04:04 PM
I'd be very happy with moving up 5-6 spots to pick up Boyd. If I was Rick Smith and the season continues as is that's a move I make.

I agree. The problem is you're either giving up a 2nd or a 1st next year to move up those 5-6 spots. That said, at this point it's something that needs to be done.

htownfan32
10-07-2013, 04:05 PM
I agree. The problem is you're either giving up a 2nd or a 1st next year to move up those 5-6 spots. That said, at this point it's something that needs to be done.

This. At this point QB is a glaring need that needs to be addressed.

TexansSeminole
10-07-2013, 04:11 PM
The ideal situation for me is that Bridgewater and Hundley go early to teams that need quarterbacks and we can pick up Boyd in the middle of the first round. Tampa, Cleveland, and Arizona are teams that will most definitely target a QB. Minnesota, Jacksonville, and maybe even Pittsburg may also be in the hunt for a QB.

thetexanator
10-07-2013, 05:14 PM
[QUOTE=WolverineFan;2224497]This is a list of QB's that could be in the next draft. Obvious note, not all will enter the draft. All heights and weights are taken from various scouting websites and probably not 100% accurate. Rankings are from research and my own personal opinion. Without further ado....


YES NOT LIKELY1. Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville - Top 5
- Junior
- 6'3, 205

YES2. Marcus Mariota, Oregon - Top 10
- RS Sophomore
- 6'4, 215

YES YES YES NOT LIKELY3. Brett Hundley, UCLA - Top 10
- RS Sophomore
- 6'3, 225

YES MIGHT DROP TO US4. Tajh Boyd, Clemson - Top 15
- RS Senior
- 6'1, 225

NOT SOLD, BUT ID LIKE TO GIVE IT A CHANCE5. Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M - Top 25
- RS Sophomore
- 6'0, 200

EH, 2ND RD ID TAKE IT6. Aaron Murray, Georgia - 2nd Round
- RS Senior
- 6'1, 210

NO 7. Zach Mettenberger, LSU - 2nd Round
- RS Senior
- 6'5, 235

YES, WOULD TAKE IN LATE 1ST8. Kevin Hogan, Stanford - 2nd Round
- RS Sophomore
- 6'4, 220

NOT AT ALL9. Stephen Morris, Miami (FL.) - 3rd Round
- Senior
- 6'2, 220

NOT AT ALL10. A.J. McCarron, Alabama - 3rd Round
- RS Senior
- 6'3, 215

WOULD TAKE IN 2ND11. Derek Carr, Fresno State - 3rd Round
- RS Senior
- 6'3, 215

Playoffs
10-07-2013, 06:12 PM
Assume that none of these guys are the next Andrew Luck, which QBs would you characterize as showing they can "put a team on their back" and win with sheer will? I've seen Manziel do it. I feel like I've seen that from Aaron Murray.

Talking about the most competitive dudes you've seen. Hates to lose, challenge you to a contest in anything and go all out to beat you?

WolverineFan
10-07-2013, 06:13 PM
Assume that none of these guys are the next Andrew Luck, which QBs would you characterize as showing they can "put a team on their back" and win with sheer will? I've seen Manziel do it. I feel like I've seen that from Aaron Murray.

Talking about the most competitive dudes you've seen. Hates to lose, challenge you to a contest in anything and go all out to beat you?

Tajh Boyd

Wolf6151
10-07-2013, 06:32 PM
Could we draft Kevin Sumlin in the 1st round instead of a QB?

htownfan32
10-07-2013, 07:17 PM
Could we draft Kevin Sumlin in the 1st round instead of a QB?

As much as I admire Coach Sumlin, and like him in college, I'm not 100% sure his offense translates to the pro game very well.

The Chip Kelly experiment is going to be a good indicator of how these spread offenses do in the modern NFL. Maybe a new era of offenses are upon us, the way DBs draw PI calls nowadays. But maybe it's too early.

htownfan32
10-07-2013, 07:19 PM
Assume that none of these guys are the next Andrew Luck, which QBs would you characterize as showing they can "put a team on their back" and win with sheer will? I've seen Manziel do it. I feel like I've seen that from Aaron Murray.

Talking about the most competitive dudes you've seen. Hates to lose, challenge you to a contest in anything and go all out to beat you?

Manziel and Boyd are pretty damn clutch.

Of the two Boyd makes a better prospect for our team. Manziel would do better with the Eagles.

bOODRO87
10-07-2013, 08:30 PM
I'm ALL for trading our '15 first pick if we can get Boyd or Hundley. Those two are gamers. I'd prefer Hundley. I would be pleased with Boyd, but his body type looks like it would add on some pounds if he isn't a health freak. I guess nothing a little Houston weather couldn't fix.

steelbtexan
10-07-2013, 08:41 PM
Hopefully Rick/Gary/Matt are gone and the Texans hire Oliver Luck/Shaw.

Then draft Hogan. If the Texans are drafting in the 15-18 range I would,

A. trade up for Hogan
B. Draft Van Noy at 15 and trade into the bottom of the 1st and pick one of, Mettenberger/Manziel/McCarron/Murray.

I like option B. better.

I love Bridgewater/Hundley and dont like Boyd at all. If the Texans want a better version of Boyd, they can sit still at 15-18 and pick Manziel.

BTW, Trading for Bray intrigues me, I would offer a 3rd for him. Of course all of the draftniks know how I feel about Bray. I'm glad he went to K.C. and will get a chance to learn under Reid. He will become a better version of Foles.

Trap_Star
10-07-2013, 10:41 PM
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Brett+Hundley+Nebraska+v+UCLA+ZxI6vJ7OAbQx.jpg

please

steelbtexan
10-07-2013, 10:59 PM
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Brett+Hundley+Nebraska+v+UCLA+ZxI6vJ7OAbQx.jpg

please



This guy has a chance to be the best QB in this draft. Mora speaks highly of him. Due to Hundley running a rpo offense Hundley will be better than Bridgewater.IMHO

I still like Hogan better than Bridgewater or Hundley. But didn't rank Hogan because he most likely will stay in school.

Texn4life
10-08-2013, 01:46 AM
I honestly think it depends on who our coach is next year. For this offense my personal favorites are Boyd and McCarron. McCarron has a very underrated arm and makes every throw. He doesn't get enough credit in my opinion. Murray is slowly warming up to me too. Bridgewater and Hundley will be long gone by the time the Texans draft. If we could address the defense or O-Line in RD 1 and grab McCarron in the 2nd I'd be pretty pumped.

I'm disappointed in Fales play thus far this year. I had high hopes for him coming into the season. Don't even get me started on Logan Thomas. All the tools in the world, but erratic as hell.

aussie_texan
10-08-2013, 06:52 AM
Hopefully Rick/Gary/Matt are gone and the Texans hire Oliver Luck/Shaw.

Then draft Hogan. If the Texans are drafting in the 15-18 range I would,

A. trade up for Hogan
B. Draft Van Noy at 15 and trade into the bottom of the 1st and pick one of, Mettenberger/Manziel/McCarron/Murray.

I like option B. better.

I love Bridgewater/Hundley and dont like Boyd at all. If the Texans want a better version of Boyd, they can sit still at 15-18 and pick Manziel.

BTW, Trading for Bray intrigues me, I would offer a 3rd for him. Of course all of the draftniks know how I feel about Bray. I'm glad he went to K.C. and will get a chance to learn under Reid. He will become a better version of Foles.

personally i like Rick, i think from the Draft and FA his supplied this team in enough ammo to win the Super Bowl, its just our QB has fallen off a cliff this season. i would be very surprised and disappointed if Rick Smith goes, i think his one of the better GM's in the game.

Also there is quite the difference between boyd and manziel

PapaL
10-08-2013, 08:55 AM
http://cbssports.com/images/collegefootball/uspw_6637030.jpg

"Tajh Boyd and De'Andre "Nuk" Hopkins connected on seven passes for 173 yards and two touchdowns. "

Playoffs
10-08-2013, 11:39 AM
I'm ALL for trading our '15 first pick if we can get Boyd or Hundley...

I'd rather trade our '14 pick and empty the vault for Famous Jameis (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=famous+jameis).

Mr teX
10-08-2013, 12:13 PM
Ehhh, The little i've seen of Hundley since this thread has been made...color me unimpressed. He certainly looks the part, big strong guy with a live arm...but his footwork is awful and he doesn't look all that accurate to me...He looks really raw..certainly will have to sit a year. Seems a little slow through his progressions as well.

Bridgewater doesn't impress me too much either. He by contrast has great footwork & his arm seems good....that wind up though....he's gonna have to shorten that in the NFL....which might mess with his accuracy. Apart from that, you wonder about the competition he faces.

McCarron seems to look like the best total package imo..best combo of everything....he just looks more polished to me than the rest of the guys..After that Boyd...

Vinny
10-08-2013, 02:44 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft mocksters have us taking a QB at 17

TexCanada
10-08-2013, 03:26 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft mocksters have us taking a QB at 17

The Browns even suck in mock drafts! They picked Boyd at 9 after he just got selected at 8.

Wolf6151
10-08-2013, 04:03 PM
I'm no expert and it's early in the evaluation process but I'm liking what I see in Aaron Murray. I like that he holds the ball high, has a quick release, good accuracy, decent-good arm strength, and though he's no Vick, Wilson, or RGIII he's got decent mobility. On the down side he seems to stare down his receivers thus telegraphing where the throw is going. That will get him picked off in the NFL.


I'm not terribly impressed by Tajh Boyd. He runs well, has quick feet, and avoids a pass rush well, he's athletic, but most of his throws are the same thing we're getting from Schaub right now ie: short routes, stationary receivers, comeback routes, throws in the flat, short crossing routes, etc... and when he does throw down field there's alot of air under the ball. Many times receivers are slowing down or waiting on the ball to get there. His arm doesn't seem to be that strong, and average release. In Boyds defense though, his O-line isn't that great, he's getting pressured alot so he doesn't get alot of time to step into a throw.

htownfan32
10-08-2013, 06:04 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft mocksters have us taking a QB at 17

Lol I saw that too.

If you have to choose between mettenberger and Manziel?

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-08-2013, 08:53 PM
I may be in the minority, but I would love to have Manziel on the Texans.

badboy
10-08-2013, 10:36 PM
It amazes me that so many of see players so differently.

leebigeztx
10-09-2013, 03:32 AM
The Texans had the perfect scenerio this past draft and blew it. They should've drafted Geno Smith, let schaub play out this yr and then play smith. They could've gotten a wr in the 2nd or 3rd rd. Someone vertical like terrance williams. They didn't do it and now they aren't gonna have that kind of talent fall in their lap.

TexansSeminole
10-09-2013, 01:38 PM
The Texans had the perfect scenerio this past draft and blew it. They should've drafted Geno Smith, let schaub play out this yr and then play smith. They could've gotten a wr in the 2nd or 3rd rd. Someone vertical like terrance williams. They didn't do it and now they aren't gonna have that kind of talent fall in their lap.

Geno Smith? What's so great about him? I wouldn't want him.

htownfan32
10-09-2013, 02:55 PM
Geno Smith? What's so great about him? I wouldn't want him.

He flashes. If he flashes consistently, we may regret passing on him.

Too early to make a judgment call either way right now though.

PapaL
10-09-2013, 03:15 PM
Geno Smith? What's so great about him? I wouldn't want him.

He's led his crappy team to 3 wins and our QB has led our "Super Bowl contender" team to 2 wins. He mistakes but he also makes plays. Keeps the play alive. Scrambles. Keeps eyes down field. Unheard of things, I know.

TexansSeminole
10-09-2013, 03:51 PM
He flashes. If he flashes consistently, we may regret passing on him.

Too early to make a judgment call either way right now though.

It is a little too early; he has been highly inconsistent. He didn't play all that well until this past game against a depleted Atlanta defense. He had 4 turnovers in the previous week.

WolverineFan
10-09-2013, 04:31 PM
There's only a handful of guys in the league with more turnovers than Schaub. Geno Smith is one of them.

Of course, so is Eli (you know, the Manning with 2 rings).

htownfan32
10-09-2013, 04:39 PM
There's only a handful of guys in the league with more turnovers than Schaub. Geno Smith is one of them.

Of course, so is Eli (you know, the Manning with 2 rings).

Geno is, however, a rookie. I'll watch him to look for improvement, but like Seminole said earlier, it's way too early to be crowning him anything. Way too inconsistent atm.

htownfan32
10-09-2013, 04:41 PM
In any case that's in the past.

If I could, I would trade for Kirk Cousins. I think highly of him. Outside of that it'd have to be the draft and my boy Hundley. I like others beside him but I feel like I'd be settling for anyone else (except Bridgewater, but unless we lose out (and to the Jags), I don't think we'll be picking 1st.

pbat488
10-10-2013, 11:19 PM
tonight was the second louisville game i've watched this year, and i've come away non-plussed with bridgewater both times. he's a solid qb but nothing screams first pick overall to me. he's got physical tools sure, but reminds me of HWSNBN.

if we had the pick of any qb's, i'd want either hogan, murray, or manziel. I want a proven gamer that other players on our team would rally behind. i'd be happy with hundley as well.

htownfan32
10-10-2013, 11:54 PM
tonight was the second louisville game i've watched this year, and i've come away non-plussed with bridgewater both times. he's a solid qb but nothing screams first pick overall to me. he's got physical tools sure, but reminds me of HWSNBN.

if we had the pick of any qb's, i'd want either hogan, murray, or manziel. I want a proven gamer that other players on our team would rally behind. i'd be happy with hundley as well.

Yeah, I was underwhelmed by Bridgewater too. I don't know about the HWSNBN vibe but I did come away with a general "meh" feeling.

TexansSeminole
10-11-2013, 01:25 PM
tonight was the second louisville game i've watched this year, and i've come away non-plussed with bridgewater both times. he's a solid qb but nothing screams first pick overall to me. he's got physical tools sure, but reminds me of HWSNBN.

if we had the pick of any qb's, i'd want either hogan, murray, or manziel. I want a proven gamer that other players on our team would rally behind. i'd be happy with hundley as well.

To be fair, that wasn't one of his better games, but I agree with you. He just doesn't need to make difficult throws, so he doesn't come off special.

NCTexan
10-11-2013, 01:47 PM
i'd want either hogan

I'd love Hogan. But I don't think he comes out.

texdawg
10-11-2013, 08:23 PM
If you like mid-round sleeper type guys--google this guy: Jimmy Garoppolo QB Eastern Illinois, 6'3" 220, 151 of 231 23 tds 5 ints. Not arm strength of Brett Farve or Elway, but can make all the throws, very desisive with super quick release. Has good pocket awareness and can extend plays with his feet. Plays mostly in spread but can play under center. 4 yr starter. Past known qb's from same school: Tony Romo, Sean Payton. Report is that most if not all NFL teams have been to watch games and practices. If he finishes out season and gets invite to senior bowls and allstar games, I expect we will be hearing more about him.

I have no idea if this guy will pan out or not, just thought he should be added to any list of potential draftable qbs.

badboy
10-11-2013, 10:38 PM
If you like mid-round sleeper type guys--google this guy: Jimmy Garoppolo QB Eastern Illinois, 6'3" 220, 151 of 231 23 tds 5 ints. Not arm strength of Brett Farve or Elway, but can make all the throws, very desisive with super quick release. Has good pocket awareness and can extend plays with his feet. Plays mostly in spread but can play under center. 4 yr starter. Past known qb's from same school: Tony Romo, Sean Payton. Report is that most if not all NFL teams have been to watch games and practices. If he finishes out season and gets invite to senior bowls and allstar games, I expect we will be hearing more about him.

I have no idea if this guy will pan out or not, just thought he should be added to any list of potential draftable qbs.Problem with this type of pick, Texans cannot gamble that much imo. If you are going to select a QB, you have to aim high and go with best possible chance no later than round three but probably round two. TJ Yates was an example of your guy in 5th but we don't have 3 years for next guy to develop. Another reason I think Keenum has a step up on most if not all 2014 QBs.

b0ng
10-15-2013, 12:48 PM
I think the reason a lot of people on this board have varying opinions of the top QB's is because this is looking less and less like a QB class for the ages (2012 class), and more like a few top dudes and more above average guys.

Bridgewater didn't look outstanding in his game this weekend, and I want to say one of the other top guys didn't light it up (Hundley I think?). However, with Bridgewater, the kid has a ton of tape that shows him as being spectacular (so does pretty much all the guys at the top). My problem with him, Boyd and Manziel mostly come down to size more than anything else. Boyd especially is really really short and Bridgewater is a string bean (right now).

I want to re-iterate that I think if the Texans are going to get a QB from the draft, this is as good of a class as any to grab one.

aussie_texan
10-15-2013, 11:58 PM
I think the reason a lot of people on this board have varying opinions of the top QB's is because this is looking less and less like a QB class for the ages (2012 class), and more like a few top dudes and more above average guys.

Bridgewater didn't look outstanding in his game this weekend, and I want to say one of the other top guys didn't light it up (Hundley I think?). However, with Bridgewater, the kid has a ton of tape that shows him as being spectacular (so does pretty much all the guys at the top). My problem with him, Boyd and Manziel mostly come down to size more than anything else. Boyd especially is really really short and Bridgewater is a string bean (right now).

I want to re-iterate that I think if the Texans are going to get a QB from the draft, this is as good of a class as any to grab one.

the more research you do the more weaknesses you find

Wolf6151
10-16-2013, 03:18 AM
the more research you do the more weaknesses you find


Very true. I'm not liking what I see in Boyd, McCarron looks like a game manager QB but nothing special other than his girlfriend, Mettenberger has the size but he's not athletic or mobile (Schaub 2.0), I think Manziel lacks maturity, and I wasn't enthused by Fales either.

On the other hand I do like what I've seen in Aaron Murray, Brett Hundley, and Marcus Mariota. I haven't bothered to look at Bridgewater since he'll most likely be the #1 overall pick and I doubt we're that bad.

Anyone know anything about Stephen Morris from Miami?

b0ng
10-16-2013, 02:47 PM
the more research you do the more weaknesses you find

Notable recent exception being Andrew Luck.

Mr teX
10-16-2013, 03:10 PM
Very true. I'm not liking what I see in Boyd, McCarron looks like a game manager QB but nothing special other than his girlfriend, Mettenberger has the size but he's not athletic or mobile (Schaub 2.0), I think Manziel lacks maturity, and I wasn't enthused by Fales either.

On the other hand I do like what I've seen in Aaron Murray, Brett Hundley, and Marcus Mariota. I haven't bothered to look at Bridgewater since he'll most likely be the #1 overall pick and I doubt we're that bad.

Anyone know anything about Stephen Morris from Miami?

That's kind of how i feel about McCarron too. I originally thought fairly high of him b/c the physical tools are there, the mechanics are great, the competition he has faced is great. The big issue i have with him is i haven't seen enough of him with the pressure squarely on him to see how he handles it to really go all the way in for him. Saban does a good job of keeping him out of that role running the ball with that stable of RB's he seems to have every damn year.

I'm starting to back off on Boyd too. seems a little careless with the ball at times..someone mentioned he puts alot of air under his deep balls...kinda agree with that as well. All that can be fixed though. I'll be really tuned in this weekend to see how he handles FSU.

I originally felt the same way about Metenberger although i'm starting to feel he might be the safest pick. Don't really care if can't run like Luck or RG3...just move around in the pocket well and keep your eyes downfield..he's seems to be decent at that.

Texian
10-16-2013, 07:48 PM
My 2 Cents:

This time last year it was going to be a bonanza year for QBs in the 2013 draft, Smith, Barkley, Boyd, Mccarron, Murray....and we see how that turned out

Bridgewater did not look like a Top 10 pick vs Rutgers. Displayed a Landry Jones arm aka needs extra air underneath for long outs and deep pass, aka, he floats the ball. 2 RZ turnovers. Needs to stay in school.

Only 2 QBs have displayed consistent ability to come from behind and engineer game winning drives, Boyd & Manziel.

Conventional Wisdom is college QBs need 30 starts in college for any chance for early success in the NFL. That's why so many decide to stay in school and so few leave early. Bridgewater, Manziel, Mariota and Hundley better served by staying in school.

Conventional Wisdom is judge rookie QBs in the NFL only after their 19th start. That is enough time and experience to know and have a good idea of what you have in your QB. Geno Smith has 5 starts w/ 14 to go, looks promising.

IMHO if the draft were today, SR QBs #1 Boyd, #2 Mettenberger #3 McCarron #4 Murray

PHILLYTEXANFAN
10-17-2013, 02:16 PM
Anybody got thoughts on Stephen Morris???

WolverineFan
10-17-2013, 10:52 PM
Anybody got thoughts on Stephen Morris???

I talked about him in another thread a while back. He has a great arm and good mobility, but he makes horrible decisions. As was proved tonight if you watched the Miami/North Carolina game. Don't really like him as a prospect because he just doesn't look like he gets the mental part of the game.

steelbtexan
10-17-2013, 11:22 PM
That's kind of how i feel about McCarron too. I originally thought fairly high of him b/c the physical tools are there, the mechanics are great, the competition he has faced is great. The big issue i have with him is i haven't seen enough of him with the pressure squarely on him to see how he handles it to really go all the way in for him. Saban does a good job of keeping him out of that role running the ball with that stable of RB's he seems to have every damn year.

I'm starting to back off on Boyd too. seems a little careless with the ball at times..someone mentioned he puts alot of air under his deep balls...kinda agree with that as well. All that can be fixed though. I'll be really tuned in this weekend to see how he handles FSU.

I originally felt the same way about Metenberger although i'm starting to feel he might be the safest pick. Don't really care if can't run like Luck or RG3...just move around in the pocket well and keep your eyes downfield..he's seems to be decent at that.

This is kinda how I view this QB class. Except I'm higher on McCarron than you are. I see McCarron as a Matt Ryan type prospect.

No Johnny Football? LOL

leebigeztx
10-18-2013, 12:00 AM
Best case for houston is giants,steelers,and washington wind up top 10. That would give the texans a chance to move from 15ish to 6 ish.

NCTexan
10-18-2013, 11:01 AM
Want nothing to do with Miami's QB Morris. He was beyond awful last night against UNC. Their run game and defense is why they won. He missed open throws constantly.

Mr teX
10-18-2013, 03:06 PM
This is kinda how I view this QB class. Except I'm higher on McCarron than you are. I see McCarron as a Matt Ryan type prospect.

No Johnny Football? LOL

Lol, you know i can't talk about that guy too much on here...the brigade comes out in full force...

Blake
10-18-2013, 03:14 PM
Best case for houston is giants,steelers,and washington wind up top 10. That would give the texans a chance to move from 15ish to 6 ish.

How is that? I am sure the top 5 would be willing to trade out of their spot with another team if the right price was given.

TexansSeminole
10-26-2013, 08:13 PM
Yeah, not impressed with Hundley. He's a runner and is pretty primitive in his passing ability right now. No way I take him in the first round this year. Stares down receivers hard, doesn't throw the ball downfield with a lot of accuracy when I have seen him play, doesn't make great decisions. He's a heck of a scrambler though and gets down when he needs to.

leebigeztx
10-26-2013, 11:35 PM
Yeah, not impressed with Hundley. He's a runner and is pretty primitive in his passing ability right now. No way I take him in the first round this year. Stares down receivers hard, doesn't throw the ball downfield with a lot of accuracy when I have seen him play, doesn't make great decisions. He's a heck of a scrambler though and gets down when he needs to.

He's a beter passer than you give him credit for. When trying to judge on whether you should draft a qb or not,you have to look at upside. You have to ask yourself how good can he be with our coaching staff? If you think the guy can be a franchise qb,but he needs a yr,then you still draft him. You have measure your chances of drafting the high level talent at the most importat position.

TexansSeminole
10-27-2013, 03:47 AM
He's a beter passer than you give him credit for. When trying to judge on whether you should draft a qb or not,you have to look at upside. You have to ask yourself how good can he be with our coaching staff? If you think the guy can be a franchise qb,but he needs a yr,then you still draft him. You have measure your chances of drafting the high level talent at the most importat position.

I think the jury is still out on whether or not he can be a franchise quarterback. Franchise quarterbacks need to show more diverse and advanced passing ability than we are seeing from him this year, or atleast than I am seeing. I think he stays another year under Mora. That would be best for his NFL career.

Against Stanford, he was 24/39 193 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs.

Against Oregon, he was 13/19 64 yards, 1 TD 2 INTs.

Last season in two games against Stanford he was 43/69 438 yards, 1 TD 2 INTs.

A first round quarterback needs to be better against top level competition, simply put.

thunderkyss
10-27-2013, 04:13 AM
If you think the guy can be a franchise qb,but he needs a yr,then you still draft him.

So, what kind of things are you looking for?

&, TexansSeminole didn't say he wouldn't draft him, just said he wouldn't draft him in the first.

leebigeztx
10-28-2013, 04:56 AM
I think the jury is still out on whether or not he can be a franchise quarterback. Franchise quarterbacks need to show more diverse and advanced passing ability than we are seeing from him this year, or atleast than I am seeing. I think he stays another year under Mora. That would be best for his NFL career.

Against Stanford, he was 24/39 193 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs.

Against Oregon, he was 13/19 64 yards, 1 TD 2 INTs.

Last season in two games against Stanford he was 43/69 438 yards, 1 TD 2 INTs.

A first round quarterback needs to be better against top level competition, simply put.

I agree. He probably needs to stay another year and sharpen up. I'm saying that if you think the guy has all the tools needed to be successful but he needs a year,you still have to draft the guy if you're in position. Mcnair nor Kapernick were ready as rookies,but they're potential was sky high.