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mexican_texan
07-08-2005, 02:50 PM
The Texans have cap space and play against Trent Green and Peyton Manning, the best QBs in the AFC (screw Brady, hes number 16) and Ty Law can't find a taker. The best CB of his time helping the next big thing? Just a pipe dream or something more? :drool:

Panther5407
07-08-2005, 02:59 PM
The Texans have cap space and play against Trent Green and Peyton Manning, the best QBs in the AFC (screw Brady, hes number 16) and Ty Law can't find a taker. The best CB of his time helping the next big thing? Just a pipe dream or something more? :drool:

It wont happpen. Law has been hurt, wants to much money and the Texans feel they are set with P Buch, Dunta, Faggins and the undrafted free agent corner we picked that has blazing speed.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
07-08-2005, 03:08 PM
Like Boulware, there is a reason Law hasn't been signed yet.

Ghetto D
07-08-2005, 06:45 PM
Lets also remember the money thrown at Lewis Sanders.

I can't recall Law ever being linked to the Texans and can't imagine that would change any time soon.

Texan in Japan
07-08-2005, 06:58 PM
Can't see us letting Glenn go and throwing $$ at Law.

Big B Texan Fan
07-08-2005, 08:19 PM
Can't see us letting Glenn go and throwing $$ at Law.
We didn't let Glenn go. He wanted to go. It didn't matter how much we would've given him to stay, he wasn't staying. Heck, he still had a year or 2 left on the contract. He demanded a trade/release. Probably had to do with us not asking his opinion on the P-Buch trade and he knew he'd probably get beat out by him by some point in the season if not the pre-season. Not to mention that he's best friends with Me-Shawn Johnson and has always said great things about Parcells. From the way he talked about him it sounded as though he needed the Tuna in his life.

Good Luck to him yet @ the same time I hope the door doesn't hit his behind on the way out. I mean he kinda left us out in the wind. Didn't even give it a chance on top of having loads of $$ still owed to him on his contract that we were gonna honor. Most guys get cut or asked to re-neg. We weren't gonna do that at all. His pride got hurt and he ran. This oughta get some things stirred up but that wasn't my intention.

stephen1
07-08-2005, 08:43 PM
glenn wanted to stay in houston, but he also wanted to play. i guess playing time was worth more to him than staying in his hometown.

Texas_Thrill
07-10-2005, 01:01 AM
Signing law would seemingly go against the grain of our youth movement. Makes not a lot of sense honestly to even contemplate it.

stephen1
07-10-2005, 01:44 AM
on sportscenter john clayton said ty law had regained most of his speed, and that he should return strong. he hasnt signed because no team has made the right offer. he said the 2 strongest candidates are indy and jacksonville. looks like trouble for AJ.

HardKnockTexan
07-10-2005, 03:25 AM
he said the 2 strongest candidates are indy and jacksonville. looks like trouble for AJ.

If ne signs with Indy or Jacksonville... seems more like it looks like trouble for Law... Facing AJ twice a year is no picnic.

Big B Texan Fan
07-10-2005, 12:18 PM
Those teams wouldn't have Law on AJ. They'll go with their best option on AJ and then Law on our 2nd option. That is only in man-to-man coverage.

mexican_texan
07-10-2005, 01:32 PM
It was just an idea. :embarrass i know Ty will never willingly sign with the texans. The texans should sign the rooks 'fore signing any major free agent. Don't want to end up like the bucs.

GoPats
07-11-2005, 10:43 AM
The Texans have cap space and play against Trent Green and Peyton Manning, the best QBs in the AFC (screw Brady, hes number 16) and Ty Law can't find a taker. The best CB of his time helping the next big thing? Just a pipe dream or something more? :drool:

He's a pretty big risk until he proves he's back from that foot injury. If he was a bit younger, teams may have bitten by now. But not at his age. He'll land somewhere, probably after camps start.

And what's up with the Brady bashing? You really would rather have 15 QBs before you'd take Tom Brady? Is this fantasy football we're talking about or the NFL?

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
07-11-2005, 12:49 PM
I can't even name 16 players in the NFL regardless of position that I would take before Brady.

mexican_texan
07-11-2005, 01:28 PM
I can't even name 16 players in the NFL regardless of position that I would take before Brady.

ray lewis, andre johnson, peyton manning, daunte culpepper, julius peppers, champ bailey, chris mcallister, charles woodson, brian dawkings, orlando pace, dunta robinson, antwan peek, donovan mcnabb, randy moss, marvin harrison, torry holt, TO, i can go on for hours.

I don't hate tom brady, i just think he is the most overrated player ever. People compare him to Montana, but u can't even compare him to daune culpepper or warren moon. He gets all the credit for the Pats success. But even tony banks led a team to the superbowl, though he did not do much. if the pats didn't have a running game or defense, i would agree to the comparisons, but he has both, so he is overrated.

GoPats
07-11-2005, 01:43 PM
ray lewis, andre johnson, peyton manning, daunte culpepper, julius peppers, champ bailey, chris mcallister, charles woodson, brian dawkings, orlando pace, dunta robinson, antwan peek, donovan mcnabb, randy moss, marvin harrison, torry holt, TO, i can go on for hours.

I don't hate tom brady, i just think he is the most overrated player ever. People compare him to Montana, but u can't even compare him to daune culpepper or warren moon. He gets all the credit for the Pats success. But even tony banks led a team to the superbowl, though he did not do much. if the pats didn't have a running game or defense, i would agree to the comparisons, but he has both, so he is overrated.

You do realize that the Patriots were 5-11 the season before he took over, and 0-2 when Bledsoe went down with that injury, right? The Patriots climb to dominance has directly coincided with Brady's arrival. How can he just be "getting all the credit" when he was the catalyst for it?

I'm not picking a fight or anything, I'm just making sure you really understand this. The Patriots were a dead-in-the-water franchise without him. Belichick gets a ton of credit for the team's success (as he should), but none of it started until Brady came on the scene. He won't ever wow you with his numbers, but if it's 3rd-and-8 in the 4th quarter and there's no time left to punt, who would you rather have under center than Tom Brady? The guy is clutch, personified. That's why they compare him to Montana.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
07-11-2005, 05:05 PM
ray lewis, andre johnson, peyton manning, daunte culpepper, julius peppers, champ bailey, chris mcallister, charles woodson, brian dawkings, orlando pace, dunta robinson, antwan peek, donovan mcnabb, randy moss, marvin harrison, torry holt, TO, i can go on for hours.

I don't hate tom brady, i just think he is the most overrated player ever. People compare him to Montana, but u can't even compare him to daune culpepper or warren moon. He gets all the credit for the Pats success. But even tony banks led a team to the superbowl, though he did not do much. if the pats didn't have a running game or defense, i would agree to the comparisons, but he has both, so he is overrated.


Who did Tony Banks lead to a Superbowl? He may have been on the 2000 Ravens roster but he certainly didn't lead them anywhere. He was benched in the middle of the season because the offense didn't score a single touchdown in 5 consecutive games. The Patriots won their first 2 Superbowls with Antowain Smith and Kevin Faulk in the backfield. Not much of a running game there.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
07-11-2005, 05:11 PM
Antwan Peek? Come on now. I hope he turns out to be the pass rushing force we desperately need, but to name him as a player you would take over Tom Brady is a complete joke.

TEXANS84
07-11-2005, 05:15 PM
ray lewis, andre johnson, peyton manning, daunte culpepper, julius peppers, champ bailey, chris mcallister, charles woodson, brian dawkings, orlando pace, dunta robinson, antwan peek, donovan mcnabb, randy moss, marvin harrison, torry holt, TO, i can go on for hours.

Out of all of those players you just listed, 3 of the players on there have one superbowl ring.

Tom Brady has three.

Hervoyel
07-11-2005, 05:19 PM
I don't hate tom brady, i just think he is the most overrated player ever. People compare him to Montana, but u can't even compare him to daune culpepper or warren moon. He gets all the credit for the Pats success. But even tony banks led a team to the superbowl, though he did not do much. if the pats didn't have a running game or defense, i would agree to the comparisons, but he has both, so he is overrated.


Dude this is like total insanity here. People compare him to Montana but you can't even compare him to Culpepper or Moon? Where are you getting this from? It's like you're channeling crazy dead people or something.

The thing is Brady IS more like Montana than Culpepper or Moon.

Moon was statistics man. He threw for a bazillion yards and about ten thousand touchdowns but he won exactly zero Super Bowls. Moon compares well to Marino. Moon compares to Peyton (at this time) and Culpepper (again at this time). If those young guys win some rings then they accomplish what Moon never did. Brady's a winner and the comparisons to Joe Montana are dead on. One way or another he wins the Super Bowl. Sure he can have a bad game and get beat by the Dolphins when they're down or come into Reliant and almost get upset by the Texans. Put him in the playoffs or in the Super Bowl though and he's bank.

Tony Banks maybe led the team to the showers after practice once but that's about it. On top of that did you not notice the running game and defense that Joe Montana's 49er's were sporting. I think Roger Craig might take issue with you implying that Joe did it all with no running game. The 49er's were a complete team just like the Patriots are today. Complete teams are great stuff but they don't always win Super Bowls. Jim Kelly's Bills were arguably a complete team but they got no rings. Why? I dunno, maybe they could have used an overrated quarterback like Tom Brady or, dare I say Joe Montana?

z0rpAn
07-11-2005, 05:52 PM
I'd compare Tom Brady to Brad Johnson of the Bucs when they won a few years ago. The whole team is awesome, but the QB only scores a max of 2 TDs a game on a good day, 3 on a great day. Like mentioned a few times already on these forums, defense wins championships, not offenses(QBs). The Pats won 3. And I do remember the first year that Bledsoe led the team past the Raiders and (Rams??) through the playoffs(and a good portion of the season) until the big game when the coach benched him and didn't get a single snap. And look who got ALL the credit, nobody but Mr. Overrated.

z0rpAn
07-11-2005, 05:58 PM
when the Pats use him as much as the Colts use Manning, we will see. They obviously don't put too much emphasis on Brady because the D can take care of the game in their own hands. Care to challenge me on that? look at pass attempts, the rest don't matter in this area of arguement.

texasguy346
07-11-2005, 06:00 PM
Like mentioned a few times already on these forums, defense wins championships, not offenses(QBs). The Pats won 3. And I do remember the first year that Bledsoe led the team past the Raiders and (Rams??) through the playoffs(and a good portion of the season) until the big game when the coach benched him and didn't get a single snap. And look who got ALL the credit, nobody but Mr. Overrated.

I'm assuming the big game you're referring to was the Super Bowl. The Pats (AFC) played against the Rams (NFC) in the SB. My guess is you're referring to the Patriots game against the Steelers in the playoffs. Brady got knocked out early in that game, and then Bledsoe helped the team get a W. I don't recall Bledsoe playing at all in the Raiders game.

As for the Brad Johnson reference I don't see it.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
07-11-2005, 06:05 PM
I can't help but laugh when reading some of these posts.

texasguy346
07-11-2005, 06:07 PM
when the Pats use him as much as the Colts use Manning, we will see. They obviously don't put too much emphasis on Brady because the D can take care of the game in their own hands. Care to challenge me on that? look at pass attempts, the rest don't matter in this area of arguement.

I guess it couldn't have anything to do with the scheme at all right? I mean we all know that every NFL team uses the same offensive scheme. The Steelers must've been a horrible team last year. Look how seldom they threw the ball. Teams like Oakland, Miami, and Tennesse must have been pretty good teams with awesome QBs since they averaged 36 passing attempts per game.

BTW New England averaged 30.3 passing attempts per game to Indianapolis' 32.9 passing attempts per game. Obviously NE has no faith at all in Brady since they average so few passing attempts.

infantrycak
07-11-2005, 06:17 PM
when the Pats use him as much as the Colts use Manning, we will see. They obviously don't put too much emphasis on Brady because the D can take care of the game in their own hands. Care to challenge me on that? look at pass attempts, the rest don't matter in this area of arguement.

I guess the Niners didn't put much emphasis on Montana either then.

By your standard:

Brady's passing attempts in his full seasons 474, 527, 601
Montana's attempts in full seasons 432, 515, 488

The most passing attempts Montana ever had was 520.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
07-11-2005, 06:22 PM
I guess that means Joe Montana is even more overrated than Tom Brady. :survivor:

GoPats
07-13-2005, 09:12 AM
I'd compare Tom Brady to Brad Johnson of the Bucs when they won a few years ago. The whole team is awesome, but the QB only scores a max of 2 TDs a game on a good day, 3 on a great day. Like mentioned a few times already on these forums, defense wins championships, not offenses(QBs). The Pats won 3. And I do remember the first year that Bledsoe led the team past the Raiders and (Rams??) through the playoffs(and a good portion of the season) until the big game when the coach benched him and didn't get a single snap. And look who got ALL the credit, nobody but Mr. Overrated.

Bledsoe came in for an injured Brady and finished out a win (they were already ahead) against the Steelers in '01. Brady played the entire game against Oakland (the "Snow Bowl," "tuck rule" game). People won't take much stock in what you're saying when your assumed knowledge is so inaccurate.

The Brad Johnson comparison is pretty whacked. No offense. Brady probably didn't deserve the MVP in that first Super Bowl (it was truly a team effort, but I thought Ty Law should have gotten the nod), but since then he's been the undisputed leader of the Patriots, and his ascent to the upper echelon of QBs has directly coincided with his team's dominance. Personally, I don't think it's possible to "overrate" a player of his caliber. Just my opinion.

GoPats
07-13-2005, 09:25 AM
when the Pats use him as much as the Colts use Manning, we will see. They obviously don't put too much emphasis on Brady because the D can take care of the game in their own hands. Care to challenge me on that? look at pass attempts, the rest don't matter in this area of arguement.

Others have already answered your "challenge" to produce numbers, but I think a smart NFL fan would realize that the Patriots are almost always playing with a lead... does 28-4 in the past two regular seasons, plus 9-0 in the playoffs, mean anything to you? When teams win that consistently, and are usually well ahead by halftime as the Patriots were in '04, then you're not going to be chucking the ball all over the field. Trent Green lead the NFL in attempts last season with 557 because the Chiefs were always trying to come from behind in games. Not because Dick Vermeil felt like putting the game in his QB's hands...

stephen1
07-13-2005, 03:02 PM
this has nothing to do with ty law

GoPats
07-13-2005, 04:14 PM
this has nothing to do with ty law

Yeah, we're way off topic... sorry about that. I tend to be pretty enthusiastic about supporting Brady against his critics.

TEXANS84
07-15-2005, 10:58 AM
Friend in KC is saying that radio is reporting that Law will accept contract offer from the Chiefs. Awaiting another physical to announce officially.

TEXANS84
07-15-2005, 12:21 PM
LINK (http://www.benmaller.com/archives/2005/july/15.html#063954)

Ty Law and the Kansas City Chiefs have agreed in principle pending Law pass a physical and is able to prove he will be ready September 11, 2005 for opening day, according to Kansas City's 610 Sports reporter Rhonda Moss. Law's agent and the Chiefs are speaking daily, and are very close in terms of dollars.

Blake
07-15-2005, 12:32 PM
Hmm It would be interesting to see this D now.

Ty Law
Patrick Surtain
D. Johnson
Kendrell Bell

I wonder how this D will do this year.

Could be just like washington. A bunch of high priced players that dont work well together.

texasguy346
07-15-2005, 12:38 PM
Washington's defense played pretty well last season.

Blake
07-15-2005, 12:43 PM
Washington's defense played pretty well last season.

I stand corrected. But the normal Washington D doesnt play up to expectations.

texasguy346
07-15-2005, 12:48 PM
I think much of Washington's success on D comes from their DCoordinator in Williams. Now that I think about it Washington did play much of the year w/o Arrington and they traded away Champ Bailey before the season began. They picked up Shawn Springs, and one of the Colts CBs. Not really alot of big names on that defense anymore, but still pretty effective.