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thetexanator
10-07-2013, 12:24 AM
he always looks like hes running half speed. he doesnt like to tackle. havent seen much from him this year. and then seeing a guy like reid on the other side makes me dislike reed even more.

WolverineFan
10-07-2013, 12:25 AM
I said it then and I'll say it now. We should have re-signed Glover Quin.

At this point in their career's, Quin is just a better player than Reed.

badboy
10-07-2013, 12:27 AM
I thought last week he looked strong and was pushing the OT around. Didn't get the QB though. Trevardo? Where art thou Trevardo?

Oh, crap after reading post two you are talking about Ed, I thought Brooks. sigh

NastyNate
10-07-2013, 12:28 AM
I thought last week he looked strong and was pushing the OT around. Didn't get the QB though. Trevardo? Where art thou Trevardo?

Oh, crap after reading post two you are talking about Ed, I thought Brooks. sigh

:kubepalm: Ed Reed

CretorFrigg
10-07-2013, 12:29 AM
Ed Reed looked so slow and out of position. He was certainly a weak part of the defense this game.

WolverineFan
10-07-2013, 12:31 AM
I thought last week he looked strong and was pushing the OT around. Didn't get the QB though. Trevardo? Where art thou Trevardo?

Oh, crap after reading post two you are talking about Ed, I thought Brooks. sigh

Trevardo is on IR btw.

Rey
10-07-2013, 12:34 AM
Worst part is I didn't know which Reed this thread was about.

Trap_Star
10-07-2013, 12:34 AM
WHat are y'all worried about? We only got him for the NE game(s).

thetexanator
10-07-2013, 12:36 AM
WHat are y'all worried about? We only got him for the NE game(s).

lol. if we lose that one, we werent mentally stong i guess.

76Texan
10-07-2013, 12:37 AM
Ed Reed looked so slow and out of position. He was certainly a weak part of the defense this game.

I don't know for sure.
Manning bought the run fake so badly.
That made it tougher on Reed.
And Davis, even if he wasn't 100% (which we can't be sure of either) is still a very fast guy.
Who knows for sure Quin could have made that read quick enough to chase down Davis.
Heck, for all we know, Quin might have bought the run too.

badboy
10-07-2013, 12:37 AM
Trevardo is on IR btw.Yeah I know. He is as much help as Romeo was to Juliet.

Big Lou
10-07-2013, 01:11 AM
Ed Reed looks more like 40 than 35.

He and Schaub are worth about 20% of those shiny new contacts of theirs.

Vinny
10-07-2013, 01:12 AM
Reed retired when he left the Ratbirds. We just decided to pad his bank account.

VTexan
10-07-2013, 01:41 AM
b-b-but he provides leadership!

Wolf6151
10-07-2013, 01:45 AM
This thread is funny because I've had this same argument with my wife several times. She's a hardcore Koolaid drinker and believes that Reed was a good signing and will pay off for us big in the playoffs. I argued that he was old and injured when we got him, he knew he was injured when he signed with us, and is a pay check leach this last year in the NFL.

Trail.Blazr
10-07-2013, 01:47 AM
This thread is ridiculous!

Signed,
Ahman Green

Vance87
10-07-2013, 01:56 AM
Guys, we need him for the playoffs. He has a 90" flatscreen and makes an amazing nacho dip.

gwallaia
10-07-2013, 07:56 AM
Reed is still a Raven. He's a spy in our ranks ****ing with the team.

silvrhand
10-07-2013, 08:47 AM
I don't think anyone in our secondary could run down Vernon Davis after that catch, Manning bit so hard on the run fake that he chipped a tooth.

Thorn
10-07-2013, 08:51 AM
Ed Reed looks more like 40 than 35.

He and Schaub are worth about 20% of those shiny new contacts of theirs.

That much? I'm not sure either of them are worth a penny at this point.

panamamyers
10-07-2013, 08:51 AM
I don't know for sure.
Manning bought the run fake so badly.
That made it tougher on Reed.
And Davis, even if he wasn't 100% (which we can't be sure of either) is still a very fast guy.
Who knows for sure Quin could have made that read quick enough to chase down Davis.
Heck, for all we know, Quin might have bought the run too.

Don't always believe what Michaels and Collinsworth tell you.
Manning was on his man on the crossing route, despite what Collinsworth might have had us believe, it was all on Reed.

CloakNNNdagger
10-07-2013, 09:12 AM
From 05/17/13:

I read that last night. Most of my previous posts still stand re. the originally injured hip, and a "minor" tear of a contralateral hip (cartilaginous damage). With this confirmation of the new tear being on the contralateral hip, there brings into play the possibility of presence of a classic "triad" which is not uncommonly closely associated with these injuries.........i.e., hip labral tears, rectus abdominis tears [abdomen], and adductor strains in NFL players have come to be formally coined the “Sports Hip Triad.” There is nothing to be getting relaxed about by the revelation of any additional injuries to Reed's hip, even though it is on the other side. It only affirms progression of an injury history. Yet time will tell what affect it has in terms of short-term and long-term performance.

Last week, Reed showed up on the Injury Report with an "abdomen." I suggested this being part of development of a "sports hernia" which is part of the "sports hip triad" process.

From immediately after the Seahawk's game:

I remain very skeptical. Until they test him, and test him often, I will remain skeptical. At this point, his not being tested can only be based on previous reputation. That phase will only last so long.

He was tested this week.......

From the very beginning, based on his history of this injury and past injuries, I related the probability that Reed would not return as a useful cog on our team if he returned at all. After having had recent injections and still dealing with "breaking up scar tissue," he was not an appropriate candidate for return to begin with. Reed's strong ego, with the help of some continued poor organization decisions laced with unrealistic expectations, allowed him to specifically return in hopes of a break out performance against his old team.

There is no doubt in my mind that during this game, in one of the only plays that he experienced contact, he either extended an existing injury and/or suffered another related injury.

2slik4u
10-07-2013, 09:15 AM
Im assuming this is a 2 for 1 thread because both Reed's look like crap.

silvrhand
10-07-2013, 09:21 AM
From 05/17/13:



Last week, Reed showed up on the Injury Report with an "abdomen." I suggested this being part of development of a "sports hernia" which is part of the "sports hip triad" process.

From immediately after the Seahawk's game:



He was tested this week.......

From the very beginning, based on his history of this injury and past injuries, I related the probability that Reed would not return as a useful cog on our team if he returned at all. After having had recent injections and still dealing with "breaking up scar tissue," he was not an appropriate candidate for return to begin with. Reed's strong ego, with the help of some continued poor organization decisions laced with unrealistic expectations, allowed him to specifically return in hopes of a break out performance against his old team.

There is no doubt in my mind that during this game, in one of the only plays that he experienced contact, he either extended an existing injury and/or suffered another related injury.

Agree 100% that he hurt himself somehow in this game, he was pulled late and Keo was back in. My guess is he's done, retired at this point.

nut
10-07-2013, 09:57 AM
He is every bit as good as Ahman Green.

IlliniJen
10-07-2013, 09:59 AM
Ed Reed pulled some parlor magic on us.

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-12472-Magic-gifs-y3nT.gif

handswarmer
10-07-2013, 10:09 AM
Don't always believe what Michaels and Collinsworth tell you.
Manning was on his man on the crossing route, despite what Collinsworth might have had us believe, it was all on Reed.

Agreed....seen it many a time

handswarmer
10-07-2013, 11:08 AM
Ed Reed pulled some parlor magic on us.

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-12472-Magic-gifs-y3nT.gif

And everyone said I was Butthurt because he signed with the Texans...I was just warning everyone...for me it was sad to see him play like this after watching him his entire career...he is a shell of himself now...

blitz90
10-07-2013, 12:00 PM
Im assuming this is a 2 for 1 thread because both Reed's look like crap.

Word.
I saw him(#58) in on some run stops but was nowhere near the QB on passing plays.

cstyle42
10-07-2013, 12:15 PM
Ed Reed isn't the issue is more of just a non factor... Schaub is the one out there looking like trash.

Vinny
10-07-2013, 12:17 PM
Rick Smith could suit up and give us the same impact out there on the field.

cstyle42
10-07-2013, 12:34 PM
Rick Smith could suit up and give us the same impact out there on the field.

Does Rick Smith have a superbowl ring?

HOU-TEX
10-07-2013, 12:36 PM
Does Rick Smith have a superbowl ring?

David Carr does :hides:

cstyle42
10-07-2013, 12:37 PM
David Carr does :hides:

David Carr didn't throw interceptions in 8 straight games while being surrounded by probowlers all over the freaking field...

Hervoyel
10-07-2013, 12:39 PM
Reed should wear a mask and carry a gun when he picks up his paycheck

CloakNNNdagger
10-07-2013, 12:41 PM
Does Rick Smith have a superbowl ring?

No! But, after playing safety for the Boilermakers, he has at least come out of it with two very serviceable hips.:texflag:

cstyle42
10-07-2013, 12:51 PM
Crazy how most fans are complaining about Reed after 3 games but how long did it take for the majority of us to say Schaub doesn't need to be starting for the Houston Texans? I know this is a Ed Reed thread but I think Ed deserves some more time to prove his worth to the team. Otherwise Schaub and Carr should have been long gone before all those years they racked up getting paid and sucking.

Thorn
10-07-2013, 12:56 PM
Crazy how most fans are complaining about Reed after 3 games but how long did it take for the majority of us to say Schaub doesn't need to be starting for the Houston Texans? I know this is a Ed Reed thread but I think Ed deserves some more time to prove his worth to the team. Otherwise Schaub and Carr should have been long gone before all those years they racked up getting paid and sucking.

Schaub hasn't sucked his whole time here, just lately. In fact, there have been times Schaub looked absolutely fantastic. But it's now obvious he has gone terribly downhill and needs to be put out to pasture. Except for maybe the very first game there was no time Carr looked good.

cstyle42
10-07-2013, 01:07 PM
Schaub hasn't sucked his whole time here, just lately. In fact, there have been times Schaub looked absolutely fantastic. But it's now obvious he has gone terribly downhill and needs to be put out to pasture. Except for maybe the very first game there was no time Carr looked good.

No this is who he has always been in primetime... this same guy. Luckily he got hurt the year TJ Yates played in the playoffs. Matt Schaub was never the reason why we won games. His numbers are flawed due to the fact we were always down in games and he would bring us back to still lose most times. Last 8 games he has thrown an interception... now that the texans are relevant contender wise teams have been scouting us harder the last few years hence Schaub gets exposed and now looks worse when in reality this is the same quarterback we have always had. Wake up!

Vinny
10-07-2013, 01:12 PM
No this is who he has always been in primetime... this same guy. Luckily he got hurt the year TJ Yates played in the playoffs. Matt Schaub was never the reason why we won games. His numbers are flawed due to the fact we were always down in games and he would bring us back to still lose most times. Last 8 games he has thrown an interception... now that the texans are relevant contender wise teams have been scouting us harder the last few years hence Schaub gets exposed and now looks worse when in reality this is the same quarterback we have always had. Wake up!

How about you wake up and stick to the topic of the thread please. We have plenty of Schaub-talk threads.

Thorn
10-07-2013, 01:14 PM
No this is who he has always been in primetime... this same guy. Luckily he got hurt the year TJ Yates played in the playoffs. Matt Schaub was never the reason why we won games. His numbers are flawed due to the fact we were always down in games and he would bring us back to still lose most times. Last 8 games he has thrown an interception... now that the texans are relevant contender wise teams have been scouting us harder the last few years hence Schaub gets exposed and now looks worse when in reality this is the same quarterback we have always had. Wake up!

I'm as big a Schaub hater as anyone on this board, but that is wrong. Sorry. Schaub has shown in the past he's a very good QB, just not consistently. But now he's showing us he's not even that.

But anyway, I guess we both agree on he has to go. And I mean NOW.

Hervoyel
10-07-2013, 01:15 PM
We signed Ed Reed to help us in the second half of the season and the playoffs. That's a fact. We didn't really care all that much about his early impact and I get that. I don't hold anything against the Texans for taking a shot at Reed. I applaud them for doing it. I do think that Reed was less than honest about his hip and that he had a pretty damn good idea that he would probably never deliver on the contract he signed. I think he probably felt like he wouldn't need to put up until late in the year anyway and then maybe he felt like he had another playoff run in him at best.

unfortunately we're not going to the playoffs this year and Ed Reed isn't going to make any difference at all.

Like I said, I applaud the Texans for taking a shot at someone. I just don't understand exactly why they'd go this deep into investing in Ed Reed and not make every possible effort to pursue Manning. He's only possibly the greatest QB in the history of QB's. It's nice to see the Texans taking the rare shot at an epic move. It would be nicer if their moves made more sense though.

cstyle42
10-07-2013, 01:17 PM
I'm as big a Schaub hater as anyone on this board, but that is wrong. Sorry. Schaub has shown in the past he's a very good QB, just not consistently. But now he's showing us he's not even that.

But anyway, I guess we both agree on he has to go. And I mean NOW.

Schaub has only been that when he is absolutely under no pressure. Playoffs and primetime games are nothing but pressure. He gave Cincinnati a touchdown last year in the playoffs. He is what he is.

dickieb
10-07-2013, 01:18 PM
I was not a fan of the Ed Reed signing, and to think they didn't even offer Glover Quinn any contract. They didn't even give him a chance to stay a Texan. Ed Reed is Ahman Green part deux!! Paying big for people at the end of their careers I'll never understand. Make him a coach if you want, but don't pay a player on their way out. There is a reason Baltimore didn't want him...

cstyle42
10-07-2013, 01:20 PM
How about you wake up and stick to the topic of the thread please. We have plenty of Schaub-talk threads.

The Ed Reed topic was dead even before it started just like the game last night.

Vinny
10-07-2013, 01:25 PM
How about you wake up and stick to the topic of the thread please. We have plenty of Schaub-talk threads.

The Ed Reed topic was dead even before it started just like the game last night.
You'll learn to take hints from me so I'd suggest you tread lightly. #Heisenberg

handswarmer
10-07-2013, 01:27 PM
We signed Ed Reed to help us in the second half of the season and the playoffs. That's a fact. We didn't really care all that much about his early impact and I get that. I don't hold anything against the Texans for taking a shot at Reed. I applaud them for doing it. I do think that Reed was less than honest about his hip and that he had a pretty damn good idea that he would probably never deliver on the contract he signed. I think he probably felt like he wouldn't need to put up until late in the year anyway and then maybe he felt like he had another playoff run in him at best.

unfortunately we're not going to the playoffs this year and Ed Reed isn't going to make any difference at all.

Like I said, I applaud the Texans for taking a shot at someone. I just don't understand exactly why they'd go this deep into investing in Ed Reed and not make every possible effort to pursue Manning. He's only possibly the greatest QB in the history of QB's. It's nice to see the Texans taking the rare shot at an epic move. It would be nicer if their moves made more sense though.

Maybe they did but Manning found Kubiak's system, playcalling and overall coaching ability wanting???

cstyle42
10-07-2013, 01:28 PM
You'll learn to take hints from me so I'd suggest you tread lightly. #Heisenberg

Ok I see lol!

IlliniJen
10-07-2013, 02:20 PM
Maybe they did but Manning found Kubiak's system, playcalling and overall coaching ability wanting???

There is zero indication that they even sniffed in Manning's direction. Kubiak is a control-freak on offense, and given that Manning is a self-sustaining, self-aware QB robot who can break down defenses, audible, and call his own plays in the huddle, he was not a good fit for Gary's ego. OFFENSE, I mean offense. Right.

Wolf6151
10-07-2013, 03:50 PM
Season stats:

Ed Reed, 3 games, 3 starts, 8 tackles, 0 pdef, 0 int., 0 fumble rec.
5 mil a yr. avg. salary, plus the cost of hip surgery but not sure who pays for that.

Glover Quin, 5 games, 5 starts, 21 tackles, 4 pdef, 2 int. for 57 yds., 1 fumble rec.
4.7 mil a yr. avg. salary, younger healthier experienced productive and cheaper.

Wolf
10-07-2013, 03:59 PM
I looked for Reed to bring veteran leadership back there against the big boy QBand be a mentor for swearinger. That was about it and so far I am not seeing much

HouTx11
10-07-2013, 04:37 PM
Definitely not putting the blame solely on him, but one incredible stat that I can't get out of my mind is this: Reed has played in 3 games for the Texans, and all 3 were losses for the Texans.

htownfan32
10-07-2013, 04:42 PM
correlation =/= causation.

but yes, Reed looks like hot ****.

HOU-TEX
10-07-2013, 04:45 PM
Fwiw

tania ganguli ‏@taniaganguli 6m
kubiak says the vernon davis touchdown was not ed reed's responsibility. Had a bust in coverage. #texans

deucetx
10-07-2013, 04:49 PM
Season stats:

Ed Reed, 3 games, 3 starts, 8 tackles, 0 pdef, 0 int., 0 fumble rec.
5 mil a yr. avg. salary, plus the cost of hip surgery but not sure who pays for that.

Glover Quin, 5 games, 5 starts, 21 tackles, 4 pdef, 2 int. for 57 yds., 1 fumble rec.
4.7 mil a yr. avg. salary, younger healthier experienced productive and cheaper.

Eh, you're kind of leaving out the fact he has only been thrown at one time. Kind of hard to get any passes defended if they don't throw at you enough. Can't really hold that against him. He's just basically...out there.

WolverineFan
10-07-2013, 04:59 PM
Fwiw

tania ganguli ‏@taniaganguli 6m
kubiak says the vernon davis touchdown was not ed reed's responsibility. Had a bust in coverage. #texans

This is the same guy who defended Schaub at halftime and threw the defense under the bus. His words aren't worth a damn. If Wade says it then I'll believe it.

Trail.Blazr
10-07-2013, 05:34 PM
You wanted:
http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag152/trail-blazr/edreed_zps7c50c9e2.jpg


You got:
http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag152/trail-blazr/edreed2_zpscb89eeac.jpg

burro
10-07-2013, 06:46 PM
The Texans' defense is only giving up 17 points a game without the help from Schaub and the ST. If Ed Reed (who is playing like what you'd expect from a 35 year old player of his caliber) was our biggest problem, this would be a different season.

kingtexan
10-07-2013, 07:06 PM
Reed will be fine.

Getting his sea legs under him.

steelbtexan
10-07-2013, 10:37 PM
Reed will be fine.

Getting his sea legs under him.

Okay

eriadoc
10-07-2013, 10:40 PM
Ed will be fine. This is just Ed being Ed.

steelbtexan
10-07-2013, 10:43 PM
Ed Reed pulled some parlor magic on us.

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-12472-Magic-gifs-y3nT.gif

MSR

DocBar
10-07-2013, 11:39 PM
There is zero indication that they even sniffed in Manning's direction. Kubiak is a control-freak on offense, and given that Manning is a self-sustaining, self-aware QB robot who can break down defenses, audible, and call his own plays in the huddle, he was not a good fit for Gary's ego. OFFENSE, I mean offense. Right.There is, however, evidence that Manning was interested in the Texans. LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/13/report-peyton-may-be-interested-in-playing-for-the-texans/)

I was one of the guys that wasn't the least bit interested in Manning. :smiliepalm: and I've been kicking myself in the ass since around week 12 of last year.

As far as Ed Reed is concerned, hand him a ball cap and a clipboard and let him provide leadership from the sideline and usher him into the coaching phase of his career.

CloakNNNdagger
10-21-2013, 12:35 PM
ALERT: The Texans Rick Smith will announce this afternoon that the Texans have signed and decided to go next game with a free agent free safety. The move is expected to significantly upgrade the centerfield secondary.





http://www.makescarecrows.com/images/traditional-scarecrow-7-0255.jpg

Malloy
10-21-2013, 12:38 PM
ALERT: The Texans Rick Smith will announce this afternoon that the Texans have signed and decided to go next game with a free agent free safety. The move is expected to significantly upgrade the centerfield secondary.





http://www.makescarecrows.com/images/traditional-scarecrow-7-0255.jpg

Good call, try jumping over him!! :)

badboy
10-21-2013, 12:48 PM
Reed will be fine.

Getting his sea legs under him.

Well I am going to start singing "row, row your boat!" at him.

cstyle42
10-21-2013, 12:52 PM
ALERT: The Texans Rick Smith will announce this afternoon that the Texans have signed and decided to go next game with a free agent free safety. The move is expected to significantly upgrade the centerfield secondary.





http://www.makescarecrows.com/images/traditional-scarecrow-7-0255.jpg

He has something other texans players don't have outside old legs that's a super bowl ring. Can't make fun of that fact but Ed can make fun of good ol Bob for signing him to millions at his current state. Oh wait a minute texans fans lets throw the shots at the people that are making these dumb decisions... can't blame a washed up player for wanting to get paid whiling playing.

Texian
10-21-2013, 01:00 PM
Ed Reed was a mistake before the Texans signed him. This became crystal clear when Baltimore showed no real desire and made no effort to re-sign Ed. #AnotherSmubiakFail

bOODRO87
10-21-2013, 01:04 PM
Yeahhh, could we return Ed back to Baltimore and get half of the money back?

Rick got straight swindled.

TheIronDuke
10-21-2013, 01:40 PM
Edward was probably going to retire but I can't blame him for taking free money. I'm assuming that was Bob's decision to sign Edward but it of course back-fired like most times owners make personnel decisions. Let's hope he learns from that and stops trying to have us sign washed-up old men from now on. If he wanted us to watch a broken-down senior citizen struggle and get burned in the secondary he could've put a uniform on himself for a game or something.

steelbtexan
10-21-2013, 08:34 PM
Edward was probably going to retire but I can't blame him for taking free money. I'm assuming that was Bob's decision to sign Edward but it of course back-fired like most times owners make personnel decisions. Let's hope he learns from that and stops trying to have us sign washed-up old men from now on. If he wanted us to watch a broken-down senior citizen struggle and get burned in the secondary he could've put a uniform on himself for a game or something.

It never ceases to amaze me,

How does nothing ever stick to teflon Rick?

Scooter
10-22-2013, 03:00 AM
it happens so rarely that it's hard for me to admit, but i was wrong.
*gasp!* *shock!*

i know, i know. i thought reed, despite being a one legged dinosaur, would be the answer against teams going downfield against us. he's not. he's not an answer to anything but "who just tricked the texans into a fat retirement payday?". we still have denver and new england on the schedule, the two teams i wanted us to sign reed for, so i may pretend i didnt post this if some miracle happens. as of right now though ... come back glover quin!!!

ObsiWan
10-22-2013, 04:09 AM
It never ceases to amaze me,

How does nothing ever stick to teflon Rick?

McNair sent his private jet to go fetch Ed Reed for a looksee. The Ed Reed acquisition is on Uncle Bob.

Link (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Bob-McNair-shares-thoughts-on-Ed-Reed/a683ae15-9d44-4c47-b9b0-20a93350a863)

TheIronDuke
10-22-2013, 08:37 AM
McNair sent his private jet to go fetch Ed Reed for a looksee. The Ed Reed acquisition is on Uncle Bob.

Link (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Bob-McNair-shares-thoughts-on-Ed-Reed/a683ae15-9d44-4c47-b9b0-20a93350a863)

Thanks for the link. The signing of Reed is the only acquisition I'd attribute to Bob, the rest are obviously Rick Smith and Kubes.

El Tejano
10-22-2013, 11:11 AM
Baltimore paid Ed Reed to sign with us.

CloakNNNdagger
10-23-2013, 10:15 PM
Instincts? His instincts now just plain stink.


http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/10/21/AlexSmithFakesNoOne.gif

thetexanator
10-24-2013, 12:16 AM
saw on the news this week some reporter actually had the balls to ask him about his poor play. he said qb's dont throw his way.

Vance87
10-24-2013, 01:25 AM
saw on the news this week some reporter actually had the balls to ask him about his poor play. he said qb's dont throw his way.

Ed's coverage is so bad that it just seems like the QB isn't throwing his way. In fact, his man is so far gone the QB doesn't need to throw anywhere near him.

speedfreek
10-24-2013, 09:17 AM
I love having Grady on the team. Now that we have roster room
we should go after Rollo and Julio.

TJ

thunderkyss
10-24-2013, 09:26 AM
Instincts? His instincts now just plain stink.


http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/10/21/AlexSmithFakesNoOne.gif

Good stuff..... I know it looks really bad, but in that situation I have to believe that's what they are "supposed" to do. Not get fooled by the QB, but play off the run action. The LBs & Safeties in that situation should be reading the FB & RB.... that's what they do there.

In this case, Joe Mays is reading the RB, he should have shot that gap created by McClain taking that jab step to his right. He would have been on top of Charles, instead of getting washed out by the FB. He'd have seen Charles didn't have the ball & attacked the QB.

Reed is watching Charles as well. How's he supposed to know Mercilus was going to play patty cake with him? Had Reed played that gap, Charles would have scored a TD & we'd be blaming Reed anyway.

The big fail on this play, imo, is that Mercilus is playing soft. He should have attacked Smith. If he'd have pinned his ears back, Smith would have been sacked at the time he faked the phantom hand off.

The whole left side of that play....... smh. :wadepalm:

CloakNNNdagger
10-24-2013, 11:03 AM
Good stuff..... I know it looks really bad, but in that situation I have to believe that's what they are "supposed" to do. Not get fooled by the QB, but play off the run action. The LBs & Safeties in that situation should be reading the FB & RB.... that's what they do there.

In this case, Joe Mays is reading the RB, he should have shot that gap created by McClain taking that jab step to his right. He would have been on top of Charles, instead of getting washed out by the FB. He'd have seen Charles didn't have the ball & attacked the QB.

Reed is watching Charles as well. How's he supposed to know Mercilus was going to play patty cake with him? Had Reed played that gap, Charles would have scored a TD & we'd be blaming Reed anyway.

The big fail on this play, imo, is that Mercilus is playing soft. He should have attacked Smith. If he'd have pinned his ears back, Smith would have been sacked at the time he faked the phantom hand off.

The whole left side of that play....... smh. :wadepalm:

The only problem with that analysis is that the safety is supposed to follow the RB.................IF he has the ball........

The whole left side of the D was "taken out" of the play.............Reed was "faked out" of the play........:wadepalm:

Vinny
10-24-2013, 11:09 AM
Instincts? His instincts now just plain stink.


http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/10/21/AlexSmithFakesNoOne.gif
Looks like he was filling the right gap if the middle of the Texans front-7 doesn't get totally dominated. I can't fault him on this one. #97 (McClain) is the guy getting his ass kicked in the middle of the field (we don't need no stinking wide body). If he holds his ground, this play gets blown up. Mays looks like he didn't fulfill his gap assignment either. Mays looks like he swapped gaps but not #20. Merci looks clueless also...dude took about 300 false steps.

I'm down on Reed but you have to have your front-7 win around the goal line if you want a chance...you can't rely on your S to make the play down there and you can't get the middle of your front-7 blown totally off the ball and expect to stop anyone in the red zone.

HOU-TEX
10-24-2013, 11:30 AM
Looks like he was filling the right gap if the middle of the Texans front-7 doesn't get totally dominated. I can't fault him on this one. #97 (McClain) is the guy getting his ass kicked in the middle of the field. (we don't need no stinking wide body). If he holds his ground, this play gets blown up. Mays looks like he didn't fulfill his gap assignment either. Mays looks like he swapped gaps but not #20. Merci looks clueless also.

I'm down on Reed but you have to have your front-7 win around the goal line if you want a chance...you can't rely on your S to make the play down there and you can't get the middle of your front-7 blown totally off the ball and expect to stop anyone in the red zone.

Add Antonio with McClain. They were both washed out even if Charles correctly took the hand off. Mercilus contained the outside, which was probably his job. Out of the play nonetheless. I think Mays read the original play correctly, but recognized too late. Smith and McClain being pushed 5 yards out of the play allowed the TD on a busted play.

Just my .02

eriadoc
10-24-2013, 11:39 AM
I like watching Kareem Jackson on that play. It amuses me.

thunderkyss
10-24-2013, 12:34 PM
The only problem with that analysis is that the safety is supposed to follow the RB.................IF he has the ball........

The whole left side of the D was "taken out" of the play.............Reed was "faked out" of the play........:wadepalm:

What if it was a fake & the RB released into a route? Who was supposed to track him if the safety is supposed to be following the RB if he has the ball?

Mercilus contained the outside, which was probably his job.

Just my .02

I'll concede..... this may have been the case. He may be thinking screen if he attacks the QB...

300 false steps though..... lol.

dtran04
10-24-2013, 12:49 PM
Reed is terrible at run support, but that's not new. A problem is this scheme doesn't force interceptions. Opposing QBs have very easy reads and get it out quickly. There aren't many guys lurking in zones trying to jump routes. Most turnovers will be from forced fumbles.

TexansBull
10-24-2013, 12:57 PM
Instincts? His instincts now just plain stink.





http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/10/21/AlexSmithFakesNoOne.gif

Isn't there a play every year that the Texans just get tricked badly on?

Remember Donovan McNabb faking the hand off, hiding it behind him, then throwing it downfield?

For some reason I remember Carolina and Cam Newton abusing us to embarrassment.

Probably happens with every team right?

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CloakNNNdagger
10-24-2013, 01:17 PM
What if it was a fake & the RB released into a route? Who was supposed to track him if the safety is supposed to be following the RB if he has the ball?


I see your point..............looks to me like everyone shared in this "debacle."

Vinny
10-24-2013, 02:09 PM
Add Antonio with McClain. They were both washed out even if Charles correctly took the hand off. Mercilus contained the outside, which was probably his job. Out of the play nonetheless. I think Mays read the original play correctly, but recognized too late. Smith and McClain being pushed 5 yards out of the play allowed the TD on a busted play.

Just my .02 I can see most of that. Mays was blind behind the avalanche of DT's that were being pushed around. Mercilus had contain but he was totally unblocked and didn't attack the ball. If you watch the video clip it's almost like Smith is trying to hand Mercilus the ball. Imagine JJ Watt in that spot and I bet he doesn't do the chicken dance.

handswarmer
10-24-2013, 02:54 PM
Yeahhh, could we return Ed back to Baltimore and get half of the money back?

Rick got straight swindled.

no thanks! We have some issues but we don't need him back. Thanks for the years Ed but you wore out your welcome...

WolverineFan
10-24-2013, 03:52 PM
Instincts? His instincts now just plain stink.


http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/10/21/AlexSmithFakesNoOne.gif

Looks to me like Mays (#53) hits inside shoulder of FB and Reed hops around other side to fill. Mays never closed down gap. Not to mention Antonio flying all the way down the line leaving a huge cutback lane.

Vance87
10-24-2013, 03:55 PM
And what the hell was Mercilus doing? Couldn't he see that Smith was handing the ball off to no one?

WolverineFan
10-24-2013, 04:02 PM
And what the hell was Mercilus doing? Couldn't he see that Smith was handing the ball off to no one?

He's the leverage player. Not his play to make.

Sure, we would all love it if he dives in and makes that play. But if he doesn't and loses contain what then?

Vance87
10-24-2013, 04:12 PM
He's the leverage player. Not his play to make.

Sure, we would all love it if he dives in and makes that play. But if he doesn't and loses contain what then?

Loses contain on who exactly? Casper?

WolverineFan
10-24-2013, 04:15 PM
Loses contain on who exactly? Casper?

On the ball carrier. He does dive in late and gets blocked by Charles. Imagine if Smith had hesitated and cut behind that block. That would have been all on Mercilus.

It doesn't matter though. He kept the play contained to the middle, which was his job. It's just unfortunate that other guys completely blew their assignments.

deucetx
10-24-2013, 04:24 PM
He's the leverage player. Not his play to make.

Sure, we would all love it if he dives in and makes that play. But if he doesn't and loses contain what then?

Yeah I have to agree with this. Mercilus is not the culprit on this. Antonio's first step was to pinch which means he is not responsible for containing on the 5 hole and out. Mercilus is the sole containment (along w/corner in a tight formation) which means his first step is to maintain outside and not push inside on a pinch himself. This alone takes him out of the play. This is a split second play after all. Plus Charles saw him so he wasn't going to make a play anyway.

The main issue on this is McClain gets completely dominated. On top of which he didn't fire out but stood giving the offensive linemen all the leverage. The offensive linemen dictates where he goes. Same for Smith. They just took his momentum on the pinch and kept him going that way and out of the play.

Mays and Reed would have difficult visibility so would follow the back as you see them both attempt to do. If McClain and Smith had came an ounce close to their job the gap would have been small enough for Mays to make a play. But they both get blown fully out increasing the gap making it that much more difficult for Mays.

Only fault I give Reed is coming toward the line of scrimmage too much. He was worried about the first down but should realize his positioning would not allow him to prevent that. He should focus on guarding the endzone. He would have better visibility and an opportunity to react properly.

Nice design by Wade as it would have worked if executed properly. But the players failed on this one.

thunderkyss
10-24-2013, 04:55 PM
Mercilus is looking right at the QB with the ball in his hands. I doubt he's playing contain (although that was most likely his assignment as they appear to have expected run). Most likely he's thinking screen & doesn't want Charles to get a free release.

Vance87
10-24-2013, 06:18 PM
Mercilus is looking right at the QB with the ball in his hands. I doubt he's playing contain (although that was most likely his assignment as they appear to have expected run). Most likely he's thinking screen & doesn't want Charles to get a free release.

It just looks weird because there is a one second long period that Alex Smith is sticking the ball out to air and Mercilus is just staring there looking at him. Like he was shocked that there wasn't anyone there to take the ball and he was caught off guard.

thunderkyss
10-24-2013, 06:22 PM
It just looks weird because there is a one second long period that Alex Smith is sticking the ball out to air and Mercilus is just staring there looking at him. Like he was shocked that there wasn't anyone there to take the ball and he was caught off guard.

I think anyone but a stone cold psychopath (Jared Allen) would've had a "WTF??" moment right there.

amazing80
10-24-2013, 07:49 PM
Looks like he was filling the right gap if the middle of the Texans front-7 doesn't get totally dominated. I can't fault him on this one. #97 (McClain) is the guy getting his ass kicked in the middle of the field (we don't need no stinking wide body). If he holds his ground, this play gets blown up. Mays looks like he didn't fulfill his gap assignment either. Mays looks like he swapped gaps but not #20. Merci looks clueless also...dude took about 300 false steps.

I'm down on Reed but you have to have your front-7 win around the goal line if you want a chance...you can't rely on your S to make the play down there and you can't get the middle of your front-7 blown totally off the ball and expect to stop anyone in the red zone.


Mays had terrible vision....IMO ILB is our biggest need on defense, other than Cushing we have no one who can fill gaps.....he over plays that BIG time and is caught out of position....Reed also f'd up as he should have then filled the gap. Both suck :kubepalm:

eriadoc
10-24-2013, 07:58 PM
It's not so much that Reed was at fault for that play, but rather you'd hope a savvy veteran like Reed would sniff out such trickery and make a play, right? I mean, we have all been told over and over that's the reason the Reed signing was a good one. Everyone acknowledged his physical skills were on the decline, but it would be OK because he'd make savvy veteran plays for us.

Right.

thunderkyss
10-24-2013, 08:12 PM
It's not so much that Reed was at fault for that play, but rather you'd hope a savvy veteran like Reed would sniff out such trickery and make a play, right? I mean, we have all been told over and over that's the reason the Reed signing was a good one. Everyone acknowledged his physical skills were on the decline, but it would be OK because he'd make savvy veteran plays for us.

Right.

Anyone expecting Ed Reed to sniff out & blow up a QB draw has got the wrong guy in mind.

He's supposed to make opposing QBs think twice about the deep ball & take advantage of any mistakes they might make. There are plenty of examples of him failing in this regard that there is no need to reach.

eriadoc
10-24-2013, 08:24 PM
Anyone expecting Ed Reed to sniff out & blow up a QB draw has got the wrong guy in mind.

I expect him to sniff out the play. That's what veteran instincts are for. Blow it up? Yeah, he's not that guy. I expect him to sniff out the play, dive at the guy's feet and get hurdled.

powda
10-24-2013, 08:27 PM
In a nut shell, his run support/tackling is suspect due to an attempt to prolong his career or injury, and his pass coverage sucks because he's slow.

Savy? When he starts picking off passes i'll change my mind. Until then he's an old overpriced marlon mcree.

eriadoc
10-24-2013, 08:28 PM
In a nut shell, his run support/tackling is suspect due to an attempt to prolong his career or injury, and his pass coverage sucks because he's slow.

Savy? When he starts picking off passes i'll change my mind. Until then he's an old overpriced marlon mcree.

McCree wasn't terrible. Reed is. I'm thinking Matt Stevens.

powda
10-24-2013, 08:42 PM
McCree wasn't terrible. Reed is. I'm thinking Matt Stevens.

Fair. Reed would probably run a lot faster if he shaved all that hair and took some metamucil.

Vinny
10-24-2013, 08:53 PM
He's the leverage player. Not his play to make.

Sure, we would all love it if he dives in and makes that play. But if he doesn't and loses contain what then?

On the ball carrier. He does dive in late and gets blocked by Charles. Imagine if Smith had hesitated and cut behind that block. That would have been all on Mercilus.

It doesn't matter though. He kept the play contained to the middle, which was his job. It's just unfortunate that other guys completely blew their assignments.
He's playing contain on the BALL. Unless he has coverage responsibilities in Charles he should have put his foot in the ground and ran to the ball. When you set the edge you force the BALL/ball-carrier inside. If you can see the ball and it's being held out to you, taking 4 false steps will ensure you won't make the tackle.

I agree that this wasn't his play to make, but he could have shown some run instincts but didn't. My main point or focus was on the middle of the field being a sieve.

Rey
10-24-2013, 10:23 PM
Instincts? His instincts now just plain stink.


http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/10/21/AlexSmithFakesNoOne.gif

Probably won't be a popular opinion, but the DLine was awful there.

The play design was brilliant though. Play design was going to screw up the ilbs and DB's. Instincts aren't going to help with that play. The offensive action started left, went right, then back to the left with smith keeping the ball. McClain and Antonio (?) get destroyed and that is why that play failed. They are simply washed out of the play. They are standing straight up and providing 0 resistance. It's hard on the back end when your DLine is getting demolished.

If you look at Reed he jumps hard to his right when he sees the counter action from the RB's. This is a very unusual play so it's not like it's something you see all the time.

Regarding Mercilus, he's not strong enough against the run. He's just not that guy. He's not the beast that some touted him as. A really good player there comes down and smashes the kick out block in the mouth.

Those talking about contain don't know what they are talking about. When you see a lineman or back coming at you to kick you out you're supposed to crash down and squeeze the hole because a kickout block means they're going inside of you.

This is basic football stuff. Traps, counters...when you are being kicked out you are supposed to hit that blocker in the mouth and drive them back. Squeeze the hole down.

Mercilus didn't do that there and he let Jamal Charles or whoever that was off the hook. Mercilus did a poor job there reacting to the play.

I guarantee the NT, RDE and Mercilus got the brunt of the chewing out on that play.

EllisUnit
10-24-2013, 10:36 PM
Probably won't be a popular opinion, but the DLine was awful there.

The play design was brilliant though. Play design was going to screw up the ilbs and DB's. Instincts are going to help with that play. The offensive action started left, went right, then back to the left with smith keeping the ball. McClain and Antonio (?) get destroyed and that is why that play failed. They are simply washed out of the play. They are standing straight up and providing 0 resistance. It's hard on the back end when your DLine is getting demolished.

If you look at Reed he jumps hard to his right when he sees the counter action from the RB's. This is a very unusual play so it's not like it's something you see all the time.

Regarding Mercilus, he's not strong enough against the run. He's just not that guy. He's not the beast that some touted him as. A really good player there comes down and smashes the kick out block in the mouth.

Those talking about contain don't know what they are talking about. When you see a lineman or back coming at you to kick you out you're supposed to crash down and squeeze the hole because a kickout block means they're going inside of you.

This is basic football stuff. Traps, counters...when you are being kicked out you are supposed to hit that blocker in the mouth and drive them back. Squeeze the hole down.

Mercilus didn't do that there and he let Jamal Charles or whoever that was off the hook. Mercilus did a poor job there reacting to the play.

I guarantee the NT, RDE and Mercilus got the brunt of the chewing out on that play.

Play wouldnt look so bad if they had atleast ran the fake to the correct side instead of Smith handing off to air, that makes it even more embarrasing.

Dishman
10-24-2013, 11:12 PM
Play wouldnt look so bad if they had atleast ran the fake to the correct side instead of Smith handing off to air, that makes it even more embarrasing.

Is Smith improvising with the draw there because the correct handoff isn't made or does he make the same fake anyway but to the correct side?

Either way I just feel :wadepalm:

CorpusTexan
10-24-2013, 11:54 PM
That clip is such bad footage to go by. If anything look at how Smith and McClain got manhandled... Look at the speed of the play I don't bring Reed to fault on it.

thunderkyss
10-25-2013, 08:19 AM
That clip is such bad footage to go by. If anything look at how Smith and McClain got manhandled... Look at the speed of the play I don't bring Reed to fault on it.

I agree. I think some people listen to the commentators & just go with what they said even though it could be completely wrong. Like the PI thing. If someone gets a PI, the first thing the commentator wants to go with is, "He didn't turn his head." Which is irrelevant 99% of the time, but... fans go with it, because the commentator never comes back & corrects himself.

I remember when Koch & Kalu started repeating this, about Reed getting fooled by the play-action to no one. I remembered watching the play, but didn't remember what Reed had done, because there were so many bad things that happened in front of him.

I respect Kock & Kalu's take more than others, so I just smh.. then after watching this gif... I understand the theme, "Ed Reed was a useless waste of money." & there are people out there looking for anything that makes it look like a bad move... so a little exaggeration, & we talk about this play.

I'm not saying the Reed money was money well spent (but it's not like we backed up the Brinks), & I didn't see it, but I'm sure there's another hurdling incident that would make a nice collage with all the ones from previous games (I know I've seen him hurdled in each of the previous 3 games).

Rey
10-25-2013, 10:27 AM
Play wouldnt look so bad if they had atleast ran the fake to the correct side instead of Smith handing off to air, that makes it even more embarrasing.

Honestly I think that was part of the play. If it wasn't then it would likely fool a lot of defenders. It looks like it could be a reverse pivot type handoff.

But if you look at it, they aren't so much reacting to the fake handoff, they are reacting the the backs making that counter action.

Smith could have very easily used his left hand to give that ball to Charles. That's what the defense was thinking. If that had happened, they'd have been in a little bit better shape.

But smith kept it. The defense sees the motion go to their left, right, then back left.

I honestly just think it was a great play design by them, good blocking, a mobile qb that could pull it off but not a guy you key on too much...and a poor job by us up front.

Vance87
10-26-2013, 11:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LD-pDhPcig

...


:kubepalm:

thunderkyss
10-26-2013, 11:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LD-pDhPcig

...


:kubepalm:

Interesting.

I wonder what would have happened if the TE on Cushing's side didn't cross the field. If he'd have turned his route outside. Then you'd have Cushing covering that whole side of the field by himself. He'd be responsible for both the RB in the flat & the TE..... while Mays would have been sitting there in the middle of the field doing nothing.

I know since the TE crossed the middle of the field & Mays is close to him, it makes sense that he was Mays' man to pick up.... but the other TE just buzzed right by him.

I know the thing right now is to bust on Ed Reed & I'm not trying to defend him, just saying... If they were in man coverage & the TE on the left side of the line ran an out route, who would cover him?

There was definitely some confusion there & Ed Reed was definitely part of the problem (looked like it anyway) but not the whole problem.

ArlingtonTexan
10-26-2013, 11:46 PM
Every time I open this thread I keep hoping for some Brooks Reed sucks too discussion.

Lambert
10-27-2013, 03:39 AM
Every time I open this thread I keep hoping for some Brooks Reed sucks too discussion.

Maybe if he does ever suck, you will be happy. True fan.........

powda
10-27-2013, 05:22 AM
Maybe if he does ever suck, you will be happy. True fan.........

A true fan doesn't accept the status quo. Mix in a splash play once a season brooks. He's safely locked away behind containment responsibilities and assignment sound football. That's all great but maybe he oughta do something to impact a game once in a while.

We've gotta have the worst tandem of reeds in the league.

ArlingtonTexan
10-27-2013, 02:45 PM
Maybe if he does ever suck, you will be happy. True fan.........

Glad you are happy with his long hair and one sack. sorry, that is awful for a fulltime 3-4 OLB. Run responsibilities be damned.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReedBr00.htm

Lambert
10-27-2013, 04:36 PM
Glad you are happy with his long hair and one sack. sorry, that is awful for a fulltime 3-4 OLB. Run responsibilities be damned.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReedBr00.htm

B Reed is tied for 3rd in tackles on the team, and you get down on his hair? Maybe you're letting a little jealousy trump your football knowledge?

http://chron.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?teamno=34&type=stats

ArlingtonTexan
10-27-2013, 04:56 PM
B Reed is tied for 3rd in tackles on the team, and you get down on his hair? Maybe you're letting a little jealousy trump your football knowledge?

http://chron.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?teamno=34&type=stats

yeah, the Texans could in no way replace his 3 solo tackles and 1 asst per game. Remember the Texans have the best inside pass rush force in football, so Reed is never doubled teamed. Again...1 sack seven games is quite awful for a pass rush position, which OLB in a 3-4 is.

Honestly, I don't give a spit about his hair, only that he is not good at his job, but somehow people (well you) will defend his suckiness for no plausible reason.

Lambert
10-27-2013, 05:07 PM
yeah, the Texans could in no way replace his 3 solo tackles and 1 asst per game. Remember the Texans have the best inside pass rush force in football, so Reed is never doubled teamed. Again...1 sack seven games is quite awful for a pass rush position, which OLB in a 3-4 is.

Honestly, I don't give a spit about his hair, only that he is not good at his job, but somehow people (well you) will defend his suckiness for no plausible reason.


Ha ha. I guess that little rant explains why you'll never be a coach.

ArlingtonTexan
10-27-2013, 05:16 PM
Ha ha. I guess that little rant explains why you'll never be a coach.

Well, if you think that 1 sack from a pass rusher is okay you are not one either. Do yourself a favor, go through the 3-4 OLBers who have started 7 football games and show me the ones who have only 1 sack.

Lambert
10-27-2013, 06:08 PM
Well, if you think that 1 sack from a pass rusher is okay you are not one either. Do yourself a favor, go through the 3-4 OLBers who have started 7 football games and show me the ones who have only 1 sack.

How's this for starters---there are plenty more with less than 1 sack:

Sam Acho ARI OLB 1.0
Russell Allen JAC OLB 1.0
James Anderson CHI OLB 1.0
Akeem Ayers TEN OLB 1.0
Vontaze Burfict CIN OLB 1.0
Kevin Burnett OAK OLB 1.0
Quinton Coples NYJ OLB 1.0
Chad Greenway MIN OLB 1.0
Quentin Groves CLE OLB 1.0
Parys Haralson NO OLB 1.0
James Harrison CIN OLB 1.0
David Hawthorne NO OLB 1.0
Bruce Irvin SEA OLB 1.0
Manny Lawson BUF OLB 1.0
Corey Lemonier SF LB 1.0
Koa Misi MIA OLB 1.0
Dontay Moch ARI LB 1.0
Sio Moore OAK OLB 1.0
Mike Neal GB OLB 1.0
Spencer Paysinger NYG 1.0
Brooks Reed HOU OLB 1.0
Shaughnessy ARI OLB 1.0
Malcolm Smith SEA OLB 1.0
Danny Trevathan DEN OLB 1.0
Courtney Upshaw BAL OLB 1.0
Jason Worilds PIT OLB 1.0
Dwight Freeney SD OLB 0.5


Yes, Dwight Freeny, Sam Acho, Burfict and on and on. They all must suck, huh?

Sorry, don't know which OLB's play in the 4-3, or how many games they have started, but if you go to this site you will see many many more OLB's with 1 sack or less. Try to learn what you are posting about before you go off on someone who is on the team of which you purport to be a fan.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=2&statisticPositionCategory=LINEBACKER&d-447263-s=DEFENSIVE_SACKS&tabSeq=1&season=2013&Submit=Go&experience=&archive=false&conference=null&qualified=true

infantrycak
10-27-2013, 06:46 PM
How's this for starters---there are plenty more with less than 1 sack:

Pretty piss poor work. See below.

Yes, Dwight Freeny, Sam Acho, Burfict and on and on. They all must suck, huh?

Freeney and Acho have been injured. Burfict is will in a 4-3.

Greenway, Anderson, Harrison also 4-3. Groves - not even a starter. Really bad homework.

Looks like your bold was a reminder for yourself.

Lambert
10-27-2013, 07:00 PM
Pretty crap poor work. See below.



Freeney and Acho have been injured. Burfict is will in a 4-3.

"Pretty crap work" So, if the facts get in the way of your argument, attack the poster. Is that it?

I disclaimed not knowing which scheme any of those OLB's played in, or how many games they had started. However, many were rated in the top 60 for their position in terms of tackle production, so I have to think they started a lot of games. I know Freeny went down two weeks ago, but at the time he only had 0.5 sacks. Point is that you can be a great OLB and still not rack up a big sack total. Sacks are tough to get and often come in bunches. Brooks probably is a pure pass rusher less than 60% of the time. He comes close a lot, lots of pressure, and if you keep doing what you're supposed to do, the sacks will come.

OK, 5 out of 27 that I named were either injured or played in a 4-3 scheme. How about the others?

The most important thing in Brooks Reed's favor is that the coaches---the people who know vastly more football than anyone on this board, including "Moderators"----and who sign the checks, love Brooks.

Infantrycak, if you are in a position to do great research, why don't you tell us all who and how many 4-3 OLB's who are mostly starters have 1.0 sack or less. Don't just stand back and try to pick at someone elses' work.

Incidentally, my bolded words were an admonition not to call someone on the Texans crap if you really don't know what you're talking about. I never called anyone on the Texans crap. I, in fact, was defending one.

infantrycak
10-27-2013, 07:21 PM
"Pretty crap work" So, if the facts get in the way of your argument, attack the poster. Is that it?

You asked a question, you got an answer.

OK, 5 out of 27 that I named were either injured or played in a 4-3 scheme. How about the others?-/quote]

Do your own homework. Those were off the top of my head and illustrate your ta-da moment was bogus.

[quote]Infantrycak, if you are in a position to do great research, why don't you tell us all who and how many 4-3 OLB's who are mostly starters have 1.0 sack or less. Don't just stand back and try to pick at someone elses' work.

Again, do your own homework. I wouldn't call blindly pulling an NFL.com list without regard to starting, injured or base D to qualify as work.

Anyway, if you choose to investigate you might look at 3-4's since that is what Brooks Reed plays in.

Lambert
10-27-2013, 07:39 PM
Ha ha, yes 3-4's, my bad.

Ok, since you the only research you want to do is to find an error or two in someone else's work, lets' leave it at there are more (many more) than 20 OLB's in the NFL that have started in most of the games who have 1 sack or less.

ArlingtonTexan
10-27-2013, 08:02 PM
Sometimes you really don't have to add anything to a thread...the poster does all the work needed.

infantrycak
10-27-2013, 08:46 PM
Ha ha, yes 3-4's, my bad.

Ok, since you the only research you want to do is to find an error or two in someone else's work, lets' leave it at there are more (many more) than 20 OLB's in the NFL that have started in most of the games who have 1 sack or less.

Not considering today's games, among starters regardless of injury, replacement, etc. 5 3-4 OLBs have 1 or fewer sacks plus Reed.

thunderkyss
10-27-2013, 08:51 PM
Glad you are happy with his long hair and one sack. sorry, that is awful for a fulltime 3-4 OLB. Run responsibilities be damned.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReedBr00.htm

Who's that guy that plays opposite Bloodline?

eriadoc
10-27-2013, 09:12 PM
Not considering today's games, among starters regardless of injury, replacement, etc. 5 3-4 OLBs have 1 or fewer sacks plus Reed.

See? Reed is among very select company.

Talking about how many tackles Reed makes (either one of them, actually) is even less meaningful than talking about how many yards Schaub threw for. Worthless.

Lambert
10-27-2013, 09:29 PM
Not considering today's games, among starters regardless of injury, replacement, etc. 5 3-4 OLBs have 1 or fewer sacks plus Reed.

And those would be?

Lambert
10-28-2013, 06:12 AM
And those would be?

As it turns out, there are 13 NFL teams that play the 3-4 defense. 9 of them have an OLB who has less than 2 Sacks, counting Freeny and Acho who were injured, but who had less than 2 sacks while they were healthy---that is 70 percent of the NFL teams who run a 3-4 defense. So, you're going to trash Brooks because he is included in the 70% group?

Nice move, "moderators". Way to stick up for the team you ostensibly root for. You should be really ashamed!

Rey
10-28-2013, 08:16 AM
I don't think brooks reed is all that. I don't want him playing ilb unless it's spot duty. I'd rather have a better OLB.

But I think he's be ok if there was a really good pass rusher opposite him. The wolb is mostly your pass rush guy and merciless looked good early in the year, but I haven't seen that same burst, and leverage. But yeah, Reed rushes enough as a solb to produce better sack numbers. He's just not all that good. I remember people kept wanting him to start over Mario as a rookie and how silly that sounded.

All that said, I'm not even sure the db's are making qb's hold the ball long enough for us to get the sack numbers. Even when we blitz it's not doing much.

The team is just a mess as a whole. There needs to be some looking in the mirror and some real evaluation at reliant....if they care about being great. If not then they can just keep ho-humming along.

TheIronDuke
10-28-2013, 08:49 AM
As it turns out, there are 13 NFL teams that play the 3-4 defense. 9 of them have an OLB who has less than 2 Sacks, counting Freeny and Acho who were injured, but who had less than 2 sacks while they were healthy---that is 70 percent of the NFL teams who run a 3-4 defense. So, you're going to trash Brooks because he is included in the 70% group?

Nice move, "moderators". Way to stick up for the team you ostensibly root for. You should be really ashamed!

Mrs. Reed, we think your son is nice and all and I'm sure some like his long flowing locks but the fact is, he is not a good LB for the Texans. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

cstyle42
10-28-2013, 10:27 AM
yeah, the Texans could in no way replace his 3 solo tackles and 1 asst per game. Remember the Texans have the best inside pass rush force in football, so Reed is never doubled teamed. Again...1 sack seven games is quite awful for a pass rush position, which OLB in a 3-4 is.

Honestly, I don't give a spit about his hair, only that he is not good at his job, but somehow people (well you) will defend his suckiness for no plausible reason.

Replace Reed with a average Joe and all of a sudden we are getting torched deep in the passing game.

thunderkyss
10-28-2013, 01:07 PM
As it turns out, there are 13 NFL teams that play the 3-4 defense. 9 of them have an OLB who has less than 2 Sacks, counting Freeny and Acho who were injured, but who had less than 2 sacks while they were healthy---that is 70 percent of the NFL teams who run a 3-4 defense. So, you're going to trash Brooks because he is included in the 70% group?

Nice move, "moderators". Way to stick up for the team you ostensibly root for. You should be really ashamed!

How would you feel if our running back performed at the 70 percentile level?

How about our starting LT?

Would Andre be Andre if he performed at the 70% level?

What if Ben Tate performed like 70% of the back-up running backs in the league?





That's the problem with 70%. We need & want better than 70%, we expect better than 70%. 70% would be aiight if Antonio was having another career year, if Jj Watt was on track for 20-20-20, if Mitchell would be on track for 8 sacks, & if Mercilus was on track for 14-15 sacks.

But they're not. Time to pick on the low hanging fruit.

Then there are those other things an OLB should excel at..... where Brooks is meh...

CloakNNNdagger
10-29-2013, 12:48 PM
The new Ed Reed just being Ed Reed...............i.e., confused?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LD-pDhPcig

CloakNNNdagger
10-29-2013, 08:45 PM
So far this season, Ed Reed has been paid ~$350,000 per tackle.:wadepalm:

False Start
10-29-2013, 10:56 PM
I just want to see him make at least one big play sometime soon.

DocBar
10-29-2013, 11:29 PM
I just want to see him make at least one big play sometime soon. He was brought here to help tutor younger players and make an impact in the playoffs, so I'd like to see him wearing a ball cap and toting a clipboard. His mind may be able to still make plays, but his body just isn't. He could make a huge impact by mentoring our young players and teaching them what it takes to be a HoF'er in this league.

Ed was never a big hit machine or a cover type safety. He made his mark by playing centerfield and knowing what an offense's tendencies are. He's an instinctive, reactive player whose body just can't react quickly enough anymore. He needs to be on the sidelines. The only big plays he's going to make will be for the other team.

Honoring Earl 34
10-29-2013, 11:44 PM
Bob McNair wanted Reed because he thought his team lacked fire and Reed gave Brady fits . That may have been the match to light the fire alright , the fire not to play .:aggressive:

Scooter
10-30-2013, 12:06 AM
I just want to see him make at least one big play sometime soon.

i'm holding final judgement until denver and new england. i said at the time, we got ed reed for the peyton manning and tom brady, as well as experience in the playoffs. i have almost no confidence that he'll perform in those situations based on how absurdly bad he's been thus far, but i want to see those games before calling for the ax. we were supposed to coast through this early part of the season without even needing him, unfortunately he's contributed to our current collapse.

DocBar
10-30-2013, 12:15 AM
i'm holding final judgement until denver and new england. i said at the time, we got ed reed for the peyton manning and tom brady, as well as experience in the playoffs. i have almost no confidence that he'll perform in those situations based on how absurdly bad he's been thus far, but i want to see those games before calling for the ax. we were supposed to coast through this early part of the season without even needing him, unfortunately he's contributed to our current collapse.I'll buy that when Manning and Brady's release times more closely resemble Reed's reaction times. Is Reed going to drink some magical elixer that allows him to speed up his game to match theirs? Manning and Brady will humiliate Reed, as he stands today. This is an NFL team forum, not an EA Sports nostalgic video game. Final judgement SHOULD'VE come last pre-season by hiring Reed as a DB coach and letting Quin learn from him. Hindsight sux.

Yaky
10-30-2013, 12:16 AM
Glover Quin + Barwin >>>>>>>>>>>> Ed Reed

Scooter
10-30-2013, 12:21 AM
I'll buy that when Manning and Brady's release times more closely resemble Reed's reaction times. Is Reed going to drink some magical elixer that allows him to speed up his game to match theirs? Manning and Brady will humiliate Reed, as he stands today. This is an NFL team forum, not an EA Sports nostalgic video game. Final judgement SHOULD'VE come last pre-season by hiring Reed as a DB coach and letting Quin learn from him. Hindsight sux.

you're 100% right, i'm just keeping my blinders on and hoping someone's going to tell me it's all a bad dream.

DocBar
10-30-2013, 12:29 AM
you're 100% right, i'm just keeping my blinders on and hoping someone's going to tell me it's all a bad dream.pinch, pinch, pinch. dammit

DocBar
10-30-2013, 12:32 AM
Glover Quin + Barwin >>>>>>>>>>>> Ed ReedQuin plus a cadaver > Reed.

Algae+ more algae>>>>>>>>>>>>than Barwin. I miss him like I miss the crabs. Add Casey to the mix and we get a ->>>>>>> if that's even possible. Go Iggles!!!!!

CloakNNNdagger
10-30-2013, 02:59 PM
With the revealed Colt's incite into the Texans...............we're screwed..........

Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock 48m

Chuck Pagano coached Texans' Ed Reed while defensive coordinator & secondary coach with the Ravens. Could have inside info like...he's old.

handswarmer
10-31-2013, 11:49 AM
He was brought here to help tutor younger players and make an impact in the playoffs, so I'd like to see him wearing a ball cap and toting a clipboard. His mind may be able to still make plays, but his body just isn't. He could make a huge impact by mentoring our young players and teaching them what it takes to be a HoF'er in this league.

Ed was never a big hit machine or a cover type safety. He made his mark by playing centerfield and knowing what an offense's tendencies are. He's an instinctive, reactive player whose body just can't react quickly enough anymore. He needs to be on the sidelines. The only big plays he's going to make will be for the other team.

Disagree- when drafted, Ed was a hit machine here in Baltimore; his athleticism led him to Interceptions early in his career; after learning film Study from Ray Lewis, his preparation led him to INT's, sacks and strips. and hasn't been the same sure tackler or hit machine as he was previously.

I was sad to see him go as he should have retired a Raven, but he is done- has been since before last season. But instead of riding off, he ran for $$$$ after getting his ring. Now he looks downright pathetic. Its like watching Johnny U in Powder Blues for the Chargers.....

About 2007, he suffered the neck injury (nerve impingement)

eriadoc
11-08-2013, 08:53 AM
Looks like Ed Reed has finally been demoted from his starting job (http://baltimoresportsreport.com/houston-texans-bench-ed-reed-46103.html), though Wade Phillips is not calling it that. He'll only be used in dime packages now. That's a good thing, except they paid $6M for a dime safety.

speedfreek
11-08-2013, 09:18 AM
Quit knockin' Grady guys.. He's by far my favorite Texans S

(now if we can just get 'lizabeth as the DB's coach we'll really
be rolling!)

TJ

TheIronDuke
11-08-2013, 09:19 AM
I like the picture used on that article.

http://baltimoresportsreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/ed-reed.jpg

speedfreek
11-08-2013, 11:37 AM
Caption: "Nice shoes you have there!"

http://baltimoresportsreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/ed-reed.jpg

thunderkyss
11-10-2013, 01:52 AM
Looks like Ed Reed has finally been demoted from his starting job (http://baltimoresportsreport.com/houston-texans-bench-ed-reed-46103.html), though Wade Phillips is not calling it that. He'll only be used in dime packages now. That's a good thing, except they paid $6M for a dime safety.

Wasn't that the way he was used last week?