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76Texan
10-04-2013, 07:36 PM
According to Greg Bedard at SI.

Here's the week to week breakdowns:

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/09/13/greg-bedard-weekend-notes-week2/

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/09/19/nfl-sacks-pressures/

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/09/26/justin-houston-dontari-poe-pass-rush/

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/10/03/tamba-hali-rob-ninkovich-pressure/

J J Watt, of course, led all interior pass rushers by a healthy margin.

The good news is that Mercilus finally shows some sign that he might become a better pass rusher than Barwin.

thunderkyss
10-04-2013, 08:07 PM
The good news is that Mercilus finally shows some sign that he might become a better pass rusher than Barwin.

Tied for second with Jared Allen behind Tamba Hali for the week.

Pretty cool. I thought he had a great game. Some of his pressures were scheme, but I think he's starting to learn to use his physical tools to beat his opponents too. He's learning to gain leverage & bend..... if he continues, he may be a dominate edge rusher before the season is over.

thunderkyss
10-04-2013, 08:11 PM
Another thing. That list is cool & all... but too many of our opponents are too high on that list. Need to tell MMQB to help us out a little bit.


:kitten:

bOODRO87
10-04-2013, 08:12 PM
Damn that defense for not shutting out every offense we play! Our offense and Kubiak can't do it by themselves. Booo!

chicagotexan2
10-04-2013, 08:13 PM
I think the light went off for #59. The guy wasn't just using speed to get pressure. We really need the backfield to get some picks.

thunderkyss
10-04-2013, 08:45 PM
Damn that defense for not shutting out every offense we play! Our offense and Kubiak can't do it by themselves. Booo!

We had the same problem last year, I don't know why y'all are acting like everything's all good.

In three consecutive games, this defense has given up a 90+ yard drive. As great as the defense has been playing, this is a big, big problem. When you consider football is more of a situational game & those drives came at crucial times in the game, it's even worse.

Schaub's pick 6 was bad & the single most back-breaking play in all of football, it only tied the game. Had the defense not given up a TD,(remember I'm talking about a 90+ yard drive) held them to a field goal, we win that game by 4. Offense doesn't have to score another point.

I understand if you look at it the game as a whole, the 13 points given up by the defense is astounding. But 99 yards & a touchdown..... you can't let that happen. Just can't.

Definitely shouldn't let it happen 3 games in a row. Jake Locker. The great Jake Locker led his team on a 98 yard TD drive against us. Joe thefck Flacco, on a bad day led his team on a 96 yard TD scoring drive against us. & Russell Wilson missing 3/5ths of his OL 99 yards...... it's insane to be talking about how "good" we are.

Tennessee is 29th in offense. Baltimore is 27th.

CloakNNNdagger
10-04-2013, 09:03 PM
We had the same problem last year, I don't know why y'all are acting like everything's all good.

In three consecutive games, this defense has given up a 90+ yard drive. As great as the defense has been playing, this is a big, big problem. When you consider football is more of a situational game & those drives came at crucial times in the game, it's even worse.

Schaub's pick 6 was bad & the single most back-breaking play in all of football, it only tied the game. Had the defense not given up a TD,(remember I'm talking about a 90+ yard drive) held them to a field goal, we win that game by 4. Offense doesn't have to score another point.

I understand if you look at it the game as a whole, the 14 points given up by the defense is astounding. But 99 yards & a touchdown..... you can't let that happen. Just can't.

Definitely shouldn't let it happen 3 games in a row. Jake Locker. The great Jake Locker led his team on a 98 yard TD drive against us. Joe thefck Flacco, on a bad day led his team on a 96 yard TD scoring drive against us. & Russell Wilson missing 3/5ths of his OL 99 yards...... it's insane to be talking about how "good" we are.

Tennessee is 29th in offense. Baltimore is 27th.

Thanks for so succinctly putting things into such real perspective. MSR.

Surreal McCoy
10-04-2013, 09:15 PM
Tennessee is 29th in offense. Baltimore is 27th.

And they would probably tied for last if not for those drives.

Lucky
10-04-2013, 09:29 PM
Tennessee is 29th in offense. Baltimore is 27th.

And they would probably tied for last if not for those drives.
If you're playing that game, take away the 236 yards or total offense the Ravens had versus the Texans, and they would average 344.6 ypg, good for 18th in the league. Subtract the 248 yards the Titans gained in Houston, and they would be ranked 22nd. No, they do not possess top offenses. But they still performed below their averages when facing the Texans defense.

bOODRO87
10-04-2013, 09:31 PM
We had the same problem last year, I don't know why y'all are acting like everything's all good.

In three consecutive games, this defense has given up a 90+ yard drive. As great as the defense has been playing, this is a big, big problem. When you consider football is more of a situational game & those drives came at crucial times in the game, it's even worse.

Schaub's pick 6 was bad & the single most back-breaking play in all of football, it only tied the game. Had the defense not given up a TD,(remember I'm talking about a 90+ yard drive) held them to a field goal, we win that game by 4. Offense doesn't have to score another point.

I understand if you look at it the game as a whole, the 14 points given up by the defense is astounding. But 99 yards & a touchdown..... you can't let that happen. Just can't.

Definitely shouldn't let it happen 3 games in a row. Jake Locker. The great Jake Locker led his team on a 98 yard TD drive against us. Joe thefck Flacco, on a bad day led his team on a 96 yard TD scoring drive against us. & Russell Wilson missing 3/5ths of his OL 99 yards...... it's insane to be talking about how "good" we are.

Tennessee is 29th in offense. Baltimore is 27th.

The defense has made every game winnable this year. How many teams are there that have not allowed a drive over 75 yards? The defense plays a lot harder than the offense if you ask me.

Playoffs
10-04-2013, 10:48 PM
More fun with numbers pulled from other threads...

The #Texans Defense is holding opponents to an NFL-best 254.3 yds/game.
No defensive player has made as many run stops as Brian Cushing (18). 2nd is Posluszny (17), 3rd Ahmad Brooks & J.J. Watt (15)

Lowest amount of pressure faced by quarterbacks. 1st Peyton Manning (19.3%), 2nd Andy Dalton (22.8%) & 3rd Stafford (25.8%)

Of all QBs w/at least 100 dropbacks Mike Vick has faced the most pressure (46.5%). 2nd is Russell Wilson (44.6%) & 3rd Matt Schaub (44.4%).
Never would have guessed this next one either. Arian Foster leads the AFC with 292 yards rushing.

Another #Texans stat. DeAndre Hopkins leads all rookies with 270 yards receiving on 20 receptions.

Great stat nuggest -- The Texans are the only team in the NFL with a top-five offense and defense.
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thunderkyss
10-04-2013, 10:51 PM
The defense has made every game winnable this year. How many teams are there that have not allowed a drive over 75 yards? The defense plays a lot harder than the offense if you ask me.

At the end of the year, we can look at point differential & turnover battle & whatever & what not. It's not about how many points the defense allowed, it's when they allowed them & how.

Tennessee opened the game with an 80 yard TD drive. Tennessee then opened the 3rd qtr with a 99 yard TD drive.

It's not so much the points. If they had an excellent punt return that set them up in good scoring position, or if they got a turnover deep in our end, it is what it is. But to start on the 2, get driven back a yard, then on 3rd down pick up a 3rd & 11 from the one...... & turn it into a TD. Sorry, that is not good enough.

The offense scored 20 points against Seattle. Should be good enough to win. They did nothing in the second half, so it really didn't matter. They needed to score at least 3 points, couldn't do it. Didn't play well enough to win.

Schaub made a mistake, giving Tennessee, Baltimore, & Seattle 6 points. Our defense made mistake after mistake, after mistake allowing Tennessee, Baltimore, & Seattle to score on 90+ yard drives. Neither should be acceptable.

thunderkyss
10-04-2013, 11:05 PM
More fun with numbers pulled from other threads...


Of all QBs w/at least 100 dropbacks Mike Vick has faced the most pressure (46.5%). 2nd is Russell Wilson (44.6%) & 3rd Matt Schaub (44.4%).

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When you put it in perspective, Schaub & the offense don't look so bad. Still a top 10 passing offense (9), tied for 4th in passing TDs (8).

Lucky
10-05-2013, 12:48 AM
Lowest amount of pressure faced by quarterbacks. 1st Peyton Manning (19.3%), 2nd Andy Dalton (22.8%) & 3rd Stafford (25.8%)

Of all QBs w/at least 100 dropbacks Mike Vick has faced the most pressure (46.5%). 2nd is Russell Wilson (44.6%) & 3rd Matt Schaub (44.4%). These numbers don't mean a lot without knowing how long the QBs take before releasing the ball. Manning reads the defense and gets it out quickly. Sometimes, pressure is on the QB as much as the o-line.

Of course, Schaub took a big contract which pretty much forced the team to go with young linemen on the right side. If Schaub needed a vet line to protect him (and that seems to be the case), maybe he wasn't worth the $$$ he got?

tedr
10-05-2013, 08:06 AM
You know what? I'll take a 95-yard scoring drive against our defense every game if they only give up 10 points in regulation. Don't count the pick-6 against them or the gift FG we gave them when Tate fumbled, and that's what you have.

Did the defense make some bad mistakes? Yes. No one's denying that. However, the defense has more than held up its part of the bargain this season, and it seems like they're getting better. The offense, specifically the QB, needs to step up.

deucetx
10-05-2013, 10:50 AM
When you put it in perspective, Schaub & the offense don't look so bad. Still a top 10 passing offense (9), tied for 4th in passing TDs (8).

Yeah if you ignore being 4th in the league in turnovers, the scoring drought in the first half of the Chargers, entire game Baltimore, second half of the Seahawks, and the slow start against the Titans....yeah. Don't look too bad.

And then we're trying to say the Titans are this in total offense and Ravens are this. It's as if our defense had no effect where they stand in total offense all because a long drive? In today's NFL chances are rather low shutting someone out every single drive. Only ten teams average less than 20 points a game yet our defense has held 3 out of 4 opponents to this total and since the second half of the Chargers game have been basically the best defense in this league.

We're picking on the Titans and Ravens yet both average more points than us and better 3rd down conversion than our offense.

Titans: 3rd down conversion (41.3%)
Ravens: 3rd down conversion (38.6%)
Texans: 3rd down conversion (35.6%)

Scoring:

Titans: 24.5
Ravens: 22.8
Texans: 22.5

So maybe in retrospect the defense isn't as bad we like to think? Or maybe those long drives aren't a big big problem. A concern yes but acting as if it is this engrossing issue is just a stretch. Especially when we consider some of these long drives have been sustained by very questionable penalties called by the referees. Can't even believe we're trying to mock Locker in this thread when the kid obviously is playing better and has zero turnovers and rated higher than our own quarterback.

So if you expect the defense to play the absolute perfect game you may end up disappointed more times than not. That simply is not today's league. Everything is stacked against the defense so for ours to be performing to the levels it is seems rather remarkable. Yes, they have yielded on a drive here and there...

...Meanwhile the offense has gone completely absent for entire halves of play (or entire game in Ravens aspect) and given points back to the opposition or given them the ball. Let's also not forget the interception against the Chargers immediately giving them the ball to put the defense against our own endzone.

So yeah, those long drives are a concern. But nothing more than that. We have much bigger issues currently and the defenses overall performance has been commendable.

b0ng
10-05-2013, 01:21 PM
This offense should be able to put up 24 points agame, with the personnel they have on the field.

hradhak
10-05-2013, 01:29 PM
Here is the problem. The defense is having to compensate with starting out the game with the opponent having 7 points on the board. The 7 to 14 points we give away is where we are losing the game. The defense is playing outstanding. If the offense and special teams don't give away points we don't have any issues.

The thing about our offense is that if it could score 35+ points per game, our defense wouldn't have so much pressure on it. The Broncos defense probably has to make 1 or 2 stops per game and they win. Our defense has to stop on 7 to 8 drives for us to win.
Our offense has to get its **** together, the defense has done its job.

thunderkyss
10-05-2013, 07:13 PM
Y'all say what you want. A 90+ yard TD drive to the Titans, Ravens, & Seahawks (missing 3 OLmen) is about 42 points to the Broncos, Patriots, the Packers if we're lucky enough to play them this year.

klockWork
10-05-2013, 08:19 PM
If wade cut back his blitz packages and emphasize our cb to turn their heads to play the ball we're easily a top 3 defense by the end of the season.

CloakNNNdagger
10-05-2013, 08:39 PM
If wade cut back his blitz packages and emphasize our cb to turn their heads to play the ball we're easily a top 3 defense by the end of the season.

They can't stand to look back and see the ugly front seven rush any more than we can.:texflag:

thunderkyss
10-05-2013, 09:29 PM
If wade cut back his blitz packages and emphasize our cb to turn their heads to play the ball we're easily a top 3 defense by the end of the season.

We need to get better at watching the plays for ourselves & "figuring out" what actually happened. Can't listen to the play for play guys.... "He didn't turn his head" is cliche & they say it before they even know what happened.

In everyone of our PI calls, our DB turned his head. Turning your head is supposed to make it look like you're playing the ball. But refs have gotten smarter. They're watching the play. If the receiver turns his head & he's not playing the ball, he's going to get called for PI. Can't push on the receiver, arm bar the receiver, or use your off-hand to pull the receiver's hands down.... that's PI (unless you make contact at the exact second the ball hits the receiver). Those were the things happening in all those PI calls that the guy on TV (or some of our fans repeated here) said our guy didn't turn his head.

That ball that was called a catch, but later over turned in the Baltimore game. Kj did not turn his head, but he didn't touch the receiver either. He put his hand between the receiver's hand, just like he's supposed to. When the ball got there, he was all over Torrey Smith, but that's ok. That's how they're coached to do it.

There was a play in that game where a DB was holding Martin's hand down, but since he looked like he was going for the ball, they didn't call it.

So the next time you hear the commentator say, "He didn't turn his head, that's going to get called every time." Watch to see if there's any contact before the ball when they show the replay. I guarantee you there will be & that's why the PI was called, whether the head is turned or not.

thunderkyss
10-05-2013, 09:38 PM
If wade cut back his blitz packages and emphasize our cb to turn their heads to play the ball we're easily a top 3 defense by the end of the season.

Another thing... the absolute best thing Wade can do to help our defense would be to teach the LBs & the safeties to recognize & anticipate routes. Watching other teams play zone coverages & watching our dolts meander around the field, it's depressing. Really, really depressing.

Watch how other LBs appear to feel the routes developing around them, widening their zones as routes leave their zones, or stretching them when the outside guys run deep routes, or anticipating the slant.....

Really, really good CBs can defend the slant when they're anticipating the slant. But most of the time, really good defenses beat the slant by putting a LB there to take it away. The QB can't throw it on that first step, because the receiver is running right at a LB... maybe a safety. Then he has to wait for the receiver to "clear" the LB & by that time, the blitz is in his face & he's already thrown the ball away or he's running around trying to get away from the blitz.

ObsiWan
10-06-2013, 07:26 AM
Thanks for so succinctly putting things into such real perspective. MSR.
Got him.
And I agree.
Everyone points to that one play against Seattle, but if the D stops Wilson in the 4th qtr, that pick-six is just a footnote.

Dishman
10-06-2013, 07:56 AM
Got him.
And I agree.
Everyone points to that one play against Seattle, but if the D stops Wilson in the 4th qtr, that pick-six is just a footnote.

So the defense needs to save Schaub from himself apparently.

CloakNNNdagger
10-06-2013, 08:44 AM
So the defense needs to save Schaub from himself apparently.

No one is going to save Schaub from himself.

Lucky
10-06-2013, 08:56 AM
Got him.
And I agree.
Everyone points to that one play against Seattle, but if the D stops Wilson in the 4th qtr, that pick-six is just a footnote.
How about giving the defense credit for holding the Seahawks to zero yards and a field goal after Tate's 3rd quarter fumble at the Texans 31? To return the favor, the offense turns what should have been a game sealing 4th quarter interception by Joseph into a TD for Seattle. Zero points produced by the offense in 40+ minutes of the 2nd half & overtime (covering 8 possessions). Well, except for the 7 points generated for the opposition.

And there are still apologists wanting to point the finger at the defense? Posters should be embarrassed to put their name to this absurdity.

CloakNNNdagger
10-06-2013, 09:18 AM
How about giving the defense credit for holding the Seahawks to zero yards and a field goal after Tate's 3rd quarter fumble at the Texans 31? To return the favor, the offense turns what should have been a game sealing 4th quarter interception by Joseph into a TD for Seattle. Zero points produced by the offense in 40+ minutes of the 2nd half & overtime (covering 8 possessions). Well, except for the 7 points generated for the opposition.

And there are still apologists wanting to point the finger at the defense? Posters should be embarrassed to put their name to this absurdity.

The intense scrutiny that the D has incurred is certainly a function of people's frustration with Schaub's play. They feel that the latter is ultimately a hopeless case, unlikely to change. So they've focused in on the D, looking for more "perfection" than may be otherwise expected, to take up the slack. If the O was playing more error-free, the "pimples" on the D would be less likely a subject of conversation. But one truism remains.......both sides of the ball are having their share of having difficulty in playing a "complete game."

Lucky
10-06-2013, 09:34 AM
...both sides of the ball are having their share of having difficulty in playing a "complete game."
I don't think anyone should expect a perfect game from either side of the ball. Mistakes will be made. Just don't make them so horrific that they can't be recovered from. There is only one side of the ball (and one player) making those types of mistakes.

CloakNNNdagger
10-06-2013, 09:50 AM
I don't think anyone should expect a perfect game from either side of the ball. Mistakes will be made. Just don't make them so horrific that they can't be recovered from. There is only one side of the ball (and one player) making those types of mistakes.

You'll get no argument from me that Schaub is THE problem.

thunderkyss
10-06-2013, 10:35 AM
I don't think anyone should expect a perfect game from either side of the ball. Mistakes will be made. Just don't make them so horrific that they can't be recovered from. There is only one side of the ball (and one player) making those types of mistakes.

If we've got to put blame somewhere, let's blame Schaub. The pick 6 & the total futility displayed by the offense with three opportunities to win the game, it fits.

I honestly don't care if he throws a pick 6 from here on out as long as he makes the plays to win the game when it's all said & done. Like in the SanDiego or the Titans' game. One of these days this defense is going to give up 42 & we'll need Schaub to score 43 in a game that counts.


Especially if they can't stop giving away 90+ yard drives to scrub offenses.

DX-TEX
10-06-2013, 11:03 AM
Some quick stats on the Ed Reed effect:


PDS ‏@PatDStat 4m
Two games with Reed. 4 pass attempts over 20 yards plus, 0 to middle and 1 to right of the field. 126 passing yards a game. #Texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat 4m
Two games without Reed,11 pass attempts over 20 yards plus, 2 to middle and 3 right of the field. 231.5 passing yards a game. #Texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat 5m
Also no one wants to recognize what Ed Reed has done in his two games, because he is not filling up the stat sheet. #Texans

CloakNNNdagger
10-06-2013, 11:47 AM
Some quick stats on the Ed Reed effect:

Reed, for whatever reason, to date has not been "tested." Let's wait to have this conversation when he is truly tested in several games.

Scooter
10-06-2013, 11:58 AM
reed was a minor feature on PLAYBOOK (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-playbook/0ap2000000255543/Playbook-Texans-vs-49ers) going into the 49'ers game. they pointed out a couple plays that show exactly what he does that arent seen by the stat sheet or casual observer. there is genuine fear from quarterbacks about throwing it ed's way and for good reason. that reason is why i've been asking for a centerfielder for so long. now if schaub can keep from screwing us, we have probably the #1 defense - one that's improving as we go.

CloakNNNdagger
10-06-2013, 12:48 PM
reed was a minor feature on PLAYBOOK (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-playbook/0ap2000000255543/Playbook-Texans-vs-49ers) going into the 49'ers game. they pointed out a couple plays that show exactly what he does that arent seen by the stat sheet or casual observer. there is genuine fear from quarterbacks about throwing it ed's way and for good reason. that reason is why i've been asking for a centerfielder for so long. now if schaub can keep from screwing us, we have probably the #1 defense - one that's improving as we go.

Having watched the PLAYBOOK piece, I find the Reed analysis a bit of gross over-analysis of those plays. On plays with no co-deep safety, hearing the word "gambling" does not instill great confidence, especially when that safety is not known for his tackling prowess to begin with.

Dishman
10-06-2013, 12:51 PM
Having watched the PLAYBOOK piece, I find the Reed analysis a bit of gross over-analysis of those plays. On plays with no co-deep safety, hearing the word "gambling" does not instill great confidence, especially when that safety is not known for his tackling prowess to begin with.

I watched that piece and wondered to myself what you would say, and now I know. I heard Baldinger say that hip is just fine. :mcnugget:

thunderkyss
10-06-2013, 02:11 PM
I watched that piece and wondered to myself what you would say, and now I know. I heard Baldinger say that hip is just fine. :mcnugget:

Baldinger's not a doctor. Reeds been on the injury report with a groin issue. So far, sounds like CnDoc is more right than wrong.

texanhead08
10-06-2013, 02:45 PM
Its a nice stat but the 90 + yd drives against the Tits and Seahawks are a huge concern to me.

ObsiWan
10-06-2013, 06:42 PM
So the defense needs to save Schaub from himself apparently.

It wouldn't be the first time a defense had to carry a team into the playoffs.

hradhak
10-06-2013, 06:55 PM
Its a nice stat but the 90 + yd drives against the Tits and Seahawks are a huge concern to me.

That bothers me too. Let's not forget that we gave up 42 points to NE in the playoffs last year. If we are going to give up those kinda points to the Broncos or NE, we are not going to beat anyone in the playoffs.

Our defense needs to step up, we can't give away points on offense and ST, and we need to get better at playing against the big boys.

thunderkyss
10-06-2013, 07:18 PM
It wouldn't be the first time a defense had to carry a team into the playoffs.

Like I said, & I think you agree, if Flacco can win a Super Bowl, we can win a Super Bowl. All we need is for Jj Watt to rub KMarts' chestezes at the right moment.

Dread-Head
10-07-2013, 03:02 PM
:thinking: Now if they could only "pressure" their OWN QB into DOIN' HIS VUGGIN JOB!!!!