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Hervoyel
09-29-2013, 03:51 PM
So everyone here expected SEA not to adjust? They're the best D in the league, God some of you can be caustic and nauseating. The game came down to one play, KJax did not have to slam that guy, stupid decision that DID cost the game since it was a tie prior to giving up the 22 yards. Now you people csn move on to predicting the Slaughter in San Francisco, pathetic.

Explain to me how Seattle "adjusted" Matt Schaub into a ridiculous throw into their CB's hands please. You can't because they had nothing to do with that. Week in and week out that moron makes decisions like this and the team suffers because of it. It's not what Seattle did. It's what Matt did and what Matt is incapable of doing that has the Texans at 2-2.

Kareem Jackson screwed up. Players are gonna screw up eventually. Every players does something boneheaded now and again and sometimes it costs their team the ballgame. Matt does something stupid every week and we all see it. We've been seeing it for years. Doesn't matter though because it's always someone else that Schaub apologists blame in the end.

htowntexans1985
09-29-2013, 03:52 PM
Houston Texans @ HoustonTexans

"It's my responisiblity to put us in a better
position in 3rd&4. I need to help him a lot
better than I'm helping him now." Kubiak
on Schaub. <------------- WTH???

Rey
09-29-2013, 03:52 PM
Meanwhile trindon just returned a kickoff fora TD

BullNation4Life
09-29-2013, 03:53 PM
Explain to me how Seattle "adjusted" Matt Schaub into a ridiculous throw into their CB's hands please. You can't because they had nothing to do with that. Week in and week out that moron makes decisions like this and the team suffers because of it. It's not what Seattle did. It's what Matt did and what Matt is incapable of doing that has the Texans at 2-2.

Kareem Jackson screwed up. Players are gonna screw up eventually. Every players does something boneheaded now and again and sometimes it costs their team the ballgame. Matt does something stupid every week and we all see it. We've been seeing it for years. Doesn't matter though because it's always someone else that Schaub apologists blame in the end.

Correct and iff it wasn't for Schaub, KJ's boneheaded play would have never existed....

IIRC this is the 3rd week in a row Schaub has thrown a pick 6...

this loss is squarely on Matt Schaub and anybody who thinks otherwise is just absolutely fooling themselves. Texans defense held Seattle to 13 points, before Schaub's dumb ass play....

Hervoyel
09-29-2013, 03:53 PM
http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy88/papalrodz/Junk/JF.jpg

Not interested. I think the Texans should look at legitimate NFL prospects and not local objects of Aggie-fan nut-hugging.

thunderkyss
09-29-2013, 03:54 PM
Yep, Kareem and the defense.

We need a new d-coordinator.

The offense and qb are fine.

That's the dumbest sht I've ever heard. We need to blow the whole thing up.

From GM to waterboy.

Pantherstang84
09-29-2013, 03:55 PM
Not interested. I think the Texans should look at legitimate NFL prospects and not local objects of Aggie-fan nut-hugging.

QFT

thunderkyss
09-29-2013, 03:56 PM
Defense didn't do enough. They should have stopped them or got a pick six themselves. Yeah they did good early, but they didn't finish.

It's so hard being a QB. I think he did about as good as he could have all things considered.

I know you're not telling me it's ok to give up another 98 yard TD scoring drive?

htowntexans1985
09-29-2013, 03:57 PM
And to think. We are 2 plays from being 0-4.

PapaL
09-29-2013, 03:57 PM
Not interested. I think the Texans should look at legitimate NFL prospects and not local objects of Aggie-fan nut-hugging.

Funny you say that since I went to school at Maryland and have no alliances to Texas schools; aside from elementary, middle, and high school.

leebigeztx
09-29-2013, 03:57 PM
@MattBowen41: Watched the Schaub INT again... That was a panic throw vs. SS pressure. Really bad decision given the game situation.

worldlyman
09-29-2013, 03:57 PM
And on the last drive of the second half, he threw up another floater under pressure for which he was VERY lucky it wasn't another pick.

I think Schaub, if he had the stout pass-protection offensive lines that, say, Dan Fouts and Warren Moon had...he'd be far more effective. When he has time, he is indeed an accurate QB.

Schaub's lack of mobility and athleticism is not tailor-made for the Texans offense of many variables. Elway and his mobility made that type system work very, very well.

worldlyman
09-29-2013, 04:00 PM
Well, given the mistakes and the loss of Cushing...the Texans did play a tough game, better than I expected against a team I thought was going to roll over them today.

2-2 isn't the great start of last year's 4-0 but it ain't the end of the world. They still have the talent. The Seahawks just made the plays that counted.

The Chargers and Titans are better teams than expected. The Ravens will probably continue to be tough at home...the Seahawks are a contender. So...

let's see what happens at SF.

RTP2110
09-29-2013, 04:01 PM
This line plays fine. Look at the line that stood across the field from us today. They had the benefit of an athletic QB so every mistake they made didn't automagically turn into a fetal position Gomer Pyle moment.

Ryan Harris is a perfectly serviceable LT. Newton is not great but he's better than many. This still leaves two Pro Bowlers out there.

The line is an excuse and you would think that Texans fans would have learned to identify that after 5 years of David Carr. Instead we're making excuses all over again for Matt Schaub.

Fair enough, My point was more that the line isn't as solid as it was a few years ago; definitely not excusing Schaub.

htownfan32
09-29-2013, 04:01 PM
Not interested. I think the Texans should look at legitimate NFL prospects and not local objects of Aggie-fan nut-hugging.

Really? We just lost to Johnny Manziel lite today.

I'd love to see Manziel on this team. I'd also love to see Tajh Boyd and perhaps even Aaron Murray.

PapaL
09-29-2013, 04:02 PM
I'm sorry but our D should just die when Cush is out. JJ, Antonio, JoJo, Manning, Ed...hello where are y'all?!?

BullNation4Life
09-29-2013, 04:07 PM
I'm sorry but our D should just die when Cush is out. JJ, Antonio, JoJo, Manning, Ed...hello where are y'all?!?

WTF? Defense gave up one TD today. 1!

anybody trying to blame the defense for this loss is absolutely nuts...

Insideop
09-29-2013, 04:11 PM
Hawks fan here. I am not here to rub it in. Wanted to say you have a tough team and I respect the heck out of them. Well, all except the guy who threw our receiver down. He pretty much threw the W down on the ground with him.

This is nothing like our 49ers win, who we hate, and feasted on their tears for days. Wish you guys well and who knows maybe we'll see you in New York.

Oh, and the JJ Watt hype is justified. Dude is legit. Sucks that the rest of the line doesn't get talked about too much tho. Cushing is a beast too.

No, Jackson, or whoever it was, didn't lose the game for us. This game was lost because of our QB, Matt Schaub. But on the bright side, this may finally be the nail that ends the Schaub error, uh I mean era!

Thanks for the kind words. I'm sure the Seahawks will do well the rest of the season and probably end up in the SB. Good luck!

TexaHawk
09-29-2013, 04:13 PM
Hawks fan here,

Just a crazy game. At one point I just wanted the time to expire to get a tie. I know how good Houston is, I had the Texans winning this game. I had predicted it, accepted it and had moved on. Wow..

I just wanted to compliment you for having the most realistic and no BS fans I have ever read on a board. You guys are respectful and are above the rest, including us. You deserve a winner and your team hung 20 on the Hawks and a bunch of yards. That is rare. You have a great team, hope to see you in the Super Bowl.

JJ Watt is the truth. My God.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S4


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Fili
09-29-2013, 04:13 PM
OT loss against the Ravens when Schaub threw a pic-six, was worse.

TexaHawk
09-29-2013, 04:15 PM
WTF? Defense gave up one TD today. 1!

anybody trying to blame the defense for this loss is absolutely nuts...

Yep.. that defense looks like Seattle at home, maybe even better. We got lucky, nothing more to it.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S4

ziggy29
09-29-2013, 04:15 PM
Hawks fan here,

Just a crazy game. At one point I just wanted the time to expire to get a tie. I know how good Houston is, I had the Texans winning this game. I had predicted it, accepted it and had moved on. Wow..

I just wanted to compliment you for having the most realistic and no BS fans I have ever read on a board. You guys are respectful and are above the rest, including us. You deserve a winner and your team hung 20 on the Hawks and a bunch of yards. That is rare. You have a great team, hope to see you in the Super Bowl.

JJ Watt is the truth. My God.

Thanks. And congratulations on having a QB that knows how to make plays under pressure. The truth is, Texans fans have *never* had that.

JamesBill
09-29-2013, 04:16 PM
Worst regular season loss is when we were about to beat the Ravens for the first time and Schaub threw an INT in the endzone.

PapaL
09-29-2013, 04:17 PM
WTF? Defense gave up one TD today. 1!

anybody trying to blame the defense for this loss is absolutely nuts...

Maybe you haven't gotten the sarcasm today.

:wadepalm:

Go ahead and un-bunch those panties now.

TheIronDuke
09-29-2013, 04:18 PM
Ravens was worse, Jets that same season was awful when we came back on them then let them get a TD in 30 seconds. JAX hail Mary game also hurt more.

EllisUnit
09-29-2013, 04:19 PM
No, Jackson, or whoever it was, didn't lose the game for us. This game was lost because of our QB, Matt Schaub. But on the bright side, this may finally be the nail that ends the Schaub error, uh I mean era!

Thanks for the kind words. I'm sure the Seahawks will do well the rest of the season and probably end up in the SB. Good luck!

The only thing that will end this dreadful Schaub Era is

1. He decides he sucks and decides to retire
2. Kubiaks wife sticks him in a retirment home
3. Bob Mcnair sells the team to LA and they take Schaub with them
4. The zombie apocalypse wipes out 98% of man kind
5. Case breaks in Schaubs house and ties him up on game day, and TJ gets caught practicing witch craft in Salem.

And then the best case scenario is that Bob forces Kubiak to bench Schaub and let case lead us to a SB.

I'm thinking scenario #4 is most likly but who knows.

Brisco_County
09-29-2013, 04:19 PM
Nothing else to say.

Definitely not the worst loss. It's a bad one though. I told people in the bar at halftime to not be surprised if this happened. That gives you an idea of how bad some of our past losses have been.

BullNation4Life
09-29-2013, 04:23 PM
Maybe you haven't gotten the sarcasm today.

:wadepalm:

Go ahead and un-bunch those panties now.

No maybe not because there are morons on this board who will try and blame the defense...

thought you were one...

Nawzer
09-29-2013, 04:25 PM
No this is not the worst loss ever. Not even close. Schaub cost us the game, but this was a game most of us expected us to loose. They hung tough but the Texans at best can hang with the elite teams but don't have the mettle to win these games. And it's primarily due to Kubiak.

DX-TEX
09-29-2013, 04:25 PM
Edwerderespn Ed Werder
Half an hour after this loss, JJ Watt was full of fury and rage, saying was sick of it but vowing to fix issues

The only it will be fixed is if JJ takes out Schaub at the knees.

Period.

TheIronDuke
09-29-2013, 04:26 PM
The only thing that will end this dreadful Schaub Era is

1. He decides he sucks and decides to retire
2. Kubiaks wife sticks him in a retirment home
3. Bob Mcnair sells the team to LA and they take Schaub with them
4. The zombie apocalypse wipes out 98% of man kind
5. Case breaks in Schaubs house and ties him up on game day, and TJ gets caught practicing witch craft in Salem.

And then the best case scenario is that Bob forces Kubiak to bench Schaub and let case lead us to a SB.

I'm thinking scenario #4 is most likly but who knows.

Or.....

Injury. I wonder if it'll come out that Scub was hurt which is why he made brain dead decisions and won't play in SF. One can only hope.

Roadhawk
09-29-2013, 04:29 PM
By the way - I really appreciated you guys clapping for Michael Bennett when he came off the field. Super classy. He's going to be ok by the way, negative MRI no spinal damage..

Not all fanbases would have done that.

waynegg
09-29-2013, 04:29 PM
I think all the "told ya so's" would prefer to be proven wrong.

At least would hope so.

I would prefer to be proven wrong, but I don't see that happening. SCHAUB ISNT IT! I'm so disgusted right now...

SchaubApologist
09-29-2013, 04:30 PM
By the way - I really appreciated you guys clapping for Michael Bennett when he came off the field. Super classy. He's going to be ok by the way, negative MRI no spinal damage..

Not all fanbases would have done that.

thx.. that moment with his dad calling out to him almost made me cry

BullNation4Life
09-29-2013, 04:31 PM
The only it will be fixed is if JJ takes out Schaub at the knees.

Period.

accidental stumble into Schaubs knee that sidelines him for 9 weeks?

Scooter
09-29-2013, 04:33 PM
By the way - I really appreciated you guys clapping for Michael Bennett when he came off the field. Super classy. He's going to be ok by the way, negative MRI no spinal damage..

Not all fanbases would have done that.

was very proud of our fans during that. the group around his father were very concerned and trying to be as helpful as possible. i said as much at the time "i'm glad i'm a texans fan, if this were philly they would've been heckling the dad". nobody wants to see a guy get hurt like that, we're just glad that it sounds like he'll be ok.

htowntexans1985
09-29-2013, 04:36 PM
John P. Lopez @LopezOnSports

Texans fans are burning Schaub jerseys in
the parking lot. I think that's a sign.
View details

EllisUnit
09-29-2013, 04:38 PM
Or.....

Injury. I wonder if it'll come out that Scub was hurt which is why he made brain dead decisions and won't play in SF. One can only hope.

Yeah but i dont wish injury on anyone, but that would work as well.

TheIronDuke
09-29-2013, 04:38 PM
I just hope fans don't start pouring beer on Schaub's family like they did to HWWNBN's.

Big52Hurt
09-29-2013, 04:40 PM
hey fellas! tough loss for you today but at least your QB didn't toss 5 INT's today like mine did! damn! Flacco was horrible! our O-line played like trash and no rushing attack. the Bills took us to the wood shed. lol! it happens! at this point the way my Ravens play, I don't look past no team in this league. we have the Dolphins next on the road again. ugh! who do you guys have next?

LonerATO
09-29-2013, 04:41 PM
I just hope fans don't start pouring beer on Schaub's family like they did to HWWNBN's.

Never knew that; classless.

Hervoyel
09-29-2013, 04:41 PM
I think Schaub, if he had the stout pass-protection offensive lines that, say, Dan Fouts and Warren Moon had...he'd be far more effective. When he has time, he is indeed an accurate QB.

Schaub's lack of mobility and athleticism is not tailor-made for the Texans offense of many variables. Elway and his mobility made that type system work very, very well.


I agree but in the offense/defense "arms race" that never ends pass rushers are like nothing that Fouts or Moon had to cope with. Teams aren't able to keep offensive lines full of consecutive first round picks together for a decade the way the Oiler's did with Matthews, Munchak, and Steinkhuler. It just doesn't happen like that anymore. Schaub's lack of mobility and athleticism is not tailor-made for any team in the NFL in 2013.

Matt might have been a good one back in the 70's or 80's. Not now. Not in any meaningful way. You can pile up statistics with him against weak-sisters but that's about it.

We need an athletic QB who can turn blown plays into opportunities instead of passes to the guy holding the yard marker and trips to the fetal position. All Matt can do when faced with pressure is decide whether he can get the ball out of bounds beyond the line of scrimmage and/or go straight down to the turf. He has no other options. Every week we see him do this. He folds up faster than David Carr did now.

It's time.

DX-TEX
09-29-2013, 04:42 PM
I just hope fans don't start pouring beer on Schaub's family like they did to HWWNBN's.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVXBgNTIYAAqqlx.jpg

Taken at Reliant after the game

Big52Hurt
09-29-2013, 04:44 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVXBgNTIYAAqqlx.jpg

Taken at Reliant after the game

wow!

robroy72
09-29-2013, 04:44 PM
15 yarder on KJ ... looked like a good tackle to me at the game... did the replay show anything untoward?

DX-TEX
09-29-2013, 04:45 PM
Save us Uncle Bob!!

LonerATO
09-29-2013, 04:46 PM
John P. Lopez @LopezOnSports

Texans fans are burning Schaub jerseys in
the parking lot. I think that's a sign.
View details

I have a few photos of it going down and that guy sprayed a ton of lighter fluid after it was already lit, then tried to put the fire out with a 12oz bottle of water.

Hervoyel
09-29-2013, 04:48 PM
Really? We just lost to Johnny Manziel lite today.

I'd love to see Manziel on this team. I'd also love to see Tajh Boyd and perhaps even Aaron Murray.

Manziel won't so much as be a blip in the NFL. I understand if you think differently but that's my opinion. I didn't like listening to Longhorns when Vince was in play and I hope the Aggies won't be as bad or worse when Johnny Football is out there but I know they will be. They're like Longhorn fans with a big need to overcompensate for years of being the Longhorn's little brother.

Manziel Lite didn't do squat for most of the game by the way and he really didn't as much bring the Hawks back as be present when Matt gifted them back into the game.

It's just not worth it. Hell, I like the Cougars but I'm almost wishing Case had gone somewhere else at times. I don't follow college football intently. I've never cared for it like I do the NFL game and so I would rather college loyalties not get all over my NFL team.

That's just me though.

Pantherstang84
09-29-2013, 04:51 PM
I agree but in the offense/defense "arms race" that never ends pass rushers are like nothing that Fouts or Moon had to cope with. Teams aren't able to keep offensive lines full of consecutive first round picks together for a decade the way the Oiler's did with Matthews, Munchak, and Steinkhuler. It just doesn't happen like that anymore. Schaub's lack of mobility and athleticism is not tailor-made for and team in the NFL in 2013.

Matt might have been a good one back in the 70's or 80's. Not now. Not in any meaningful way. You can pile up statistics with him against weak-sisters but that's about it.

We need an athletic QB who can turn blown plays into opportunities instead of passes to the guy holding the yard marker and trips to the fetal position. All Matt can do when faced with pressure is decide whether he can get the ball out of bounds beyond the line of scrimmage and/or go straight down to the turf. He has no other options. Every week we see him do this. He folds up faster than David Carr did now.

It's time.

Yup. Said it during the Game day thread. Looks like Carr Part Deaux now.

DX-TEX
09-29-2013, 04:52 PM
Call Pittsburgh, trade for Rothlesberger. Honestly think he could be had right now.

Steelers are going into rebuild mode now and Ben is a proven winner.

WolverineFan
09-29-2013, 04:55 PM
Call Pittsburgh, trade for Rothlesberger. Honestly think he could be had right now.

Steelers are going into rebuild mode now and Ben is a proven winner.

Either draft a QB in the 1st next year or call Washington and trade for Kirk Cousins. Roethlisberger is 31 and in decline, no reason to trade for him.

DX-TEX
09-29-2013, 04:57 PM
Either draft a QB in the 1st next year or call Washington and trade for Kirk Cousins. Roethlisberger is 31 and in decline, no reason to trade for him.

Our window until we have to reload is closing. Win now or go home.

robroy72
09-29-2013, 05:00 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVXBgNTIYAAqqlx.jpg

Taken at Reliant after the game

That's pathetic, sorry!

LonerATO
09-29-2013, 05:01 PM
Either draft a QB in the 1st next year or call Washington and trade for Kirk Cousins. Roethlisberger is 31 and in decline, no reason to trade for him.

Cousins could end up being another Schaub.

CloakNNNdagger
09-29-2013, 05:04 PM
Either draft a QB in the 1st next year or call Washington and trade for Kirk Cousins. Roethlisberger is 31 and in decline, no reason to trade for him.

Washington isn't letting go of Cousins. Their #1 QB is close to cripple since they brought him back without adequate rehab.

htowntexans1985
09-29-2013, 05:04 PM
Well, looks like its back to the basement of the AFC south after this week. At least the Jags will keep us company.

robroy72
09-29-2013, 05:11 PM
Rosencopter.

Word up!

AndyWin
09-29-2013, 05:12 PM
Every...single...week these guys make boneheaded mistakes and decisions.
Whether it's play calling, Schaub's inability to run the play, or Kareem's pass interferences/personal fouls... every week is the same with these 3 guys.

It's been going on for WAY too long now and will continue to go on for many more weeks to come. Sigh.

WolverineFan
09-29-2013, 05:18 PM
Cousins could end up being another Schaub.

It's very possible. They have similar arm talent, but Cousins is more mobile and more intelligent.

Kubiak is a huge part of the problem with Schaub. He needs to go as well.

waynegg
09-29-2013, 05:19 PM
hey fellas! tough loss for you today but at least your QB didn't toss 5 INT's today like mine did! damn! Flacco was horrible! our O-line played like trash and no rushing attack. the Bills took us to the wood shed. lol! it happens! at this point the way my Ravens play, I don't look past no team in this league. we have the Dolphins next on the road again. ugh! who do you guys have next?

Colts.

cbs1507
09-29-2013, 05:20 PM
I don't know about worse ever, but it's pretty bad though. I just knew we were going to win once JJ got that INT. I can't believe Matt Schaub threw that pick 6. All we needed was FG and game was sealed.

chicagotexan2
09-29-2013, 05:20 PM
That's pathetic, sorry!

Yeah you can still use schaubs jersey to wash your car or pick up your dogs poop

TheIronDuke
09-29-2013, 05:23 PM
Colts.

Uh, no, at 9ers on Sunday night.

axman40
09-29-2013, 05:32 PM
Schaub Happens again and again and again!
:toropalm::toropalm::toropalm:

thunderkyss
09-29-2013, 05:33 PM
Matt might have been a good one back in the 70's or 80's. Not now. Not in any meaningful way. You can pile up statistics with him against weak-sisters but that's about it.

I really, really want to be on the bash Matt Schaub bandwagon today, but he just threw for 355 yards & 2 TDs against a team that's only been giving up 241 total yards through 3 games, 146 through the air.

I didn't get to see the second half, rain took out my dish, so all I had to go by was 610 & the gameday thread. I'm not trying to make excuses for Matt Schaub, don't really care to defend him... but he put some yards & some points on what will probably the toughest defense we'll play all year.

My biggest question, is why do we not see this guy when we're playing the Titans, the Chargers, or a struggling undermanned Ravens?

When his back's against the wall he seems to answer the bell. Put him out with a 17 point lead against one of the best defenses in the NFL & he's a totally different player. I just don't understand it.

waynegg
09-29-2013, 05:36 PM
Yeah you can still use schaubs jersey to wash your car

No. He can't even do that right. It'll leave scratches in your clear coat...

Uh, no, at 9ers on Sunday night.

Oops. Thanks

legacy_gt
09-29-2013, 05:38 PM
I really, really want to be on the bash Matt Schaub bandwagon today, but he just threw for 355 yards & 2 TDs against a team that's only been giving up 241 total yards through 3 games, 146 through the air.

I didn't get to see the second half, rain took out my dish, so all I had to go by was 610 & the gameday thread. I'm not trying to make excuses for Matt Schaub, don't really care to defend him... but he put some yards & some points on what will probably the toughest defense we'll play all year.

My biggest question, is why do we not see this guy when we're playing the Titans, the Chargers, or a struggling undermanned Ravens?

When his back's against the wall he seems to answer the bell. Put him out with a 17 point lead against one of the best defenses in the NFL & he's a totally different player. I just don't understand it.

don't matter if his stats look good. he threw a pick 6 who was completely reading MS the whole time. No points in the second half? who's fault is this? I've been a MS fan since we've gotten him but he's declined.

thunderkyss
09-29-2013, 05:41 PM
don't matter if his stats look good. he threw a pick 6 who was completely reading MS the whole time. No points in the second half? who's fault is this? I've been a MS fan since we've gotten him but he's declined.

Matt Schaub pu55ied up in the second half. He had more opportunities to win this game for us than anyone else & he repeatedly screwed the pooch.

Just saying he can put stats up against good teams as well as the weak little sisters.

FirstTexansFan
09-29-2013, 05:43 PM
Every bit of this loss lies at the feet of Kubiak, and Schaub. Period :(

Honoring Earl 34
09-29-2013, 05:43 PM
Matt Schaub pu55ied up in the second half. He had more opportunities to win this game for us than anyone else & he repeatedly screwed the pooch.

Just saying he can put stats up against good teams as well as the weak little sisters.

Yep ... some of it is he can't run and others he folds like a cot .

Rey
09-29-2013, 05:54 PM
I really, really want to be on the bash Matt Schaub bandwagon today, but he just threw for 355 yards & 2 TDs against a team that's only been giving up 241 total yards through 3 games, 146 through the air.

I didn't get to see the second half, rain took out my dish, so all I had to go by was 610 & the gameday thread. I'm not trying to make excuses for Matt Schaub, don't really care to defend him... but he put some yards & some points on what will probably the toughest defense we'll play all year.

My biggest question, is why do we not see this guy when we're playing the Titans, the Chargers, or a struggling undermanned Ravens?

When his back's against the wall he seems to answer the bell. Put him out with a 17 point lead against one of the best defenses in the NFL & he's a totally different player. I just don't understand it.

Matt has looked the same to me for a while now. I don't really put stats at the forefront though. I'm watching these games and Matt is not a play maker, and he makes crushing mistakes.

This offense helps him put up his precious stats. This offense takes some of the pressure of being a playmaker off the qb and puts him in ideal situations with som easy throws.

But a better QB would take this team to another level. We have too much talent to be messing around with Schaub. We're playing with a handicap. And we still are pretty good.

It's not about us being good though...or good enough to get some shiny stats. It's about how much better we could be.

Let's not show up and aww shucks our way through games. Let's show up and kick the damn door down.

silvrhand
09-29-2013, 06:42 PM
Matt Schaub pu55ied up in the second half. He had more opportunities to win this game for us than anyone else & he repeatedly screwed the pooch.

Just saying he can put stats up against good teams as well as the weak little sisters.

I'll tell you what happened they stopped playing zone against us, man'd up our receivers and went to work on Matt Schaub. It was only a matter of time before he folded up like a wet napkin.

Any team we face is simply going to man up and blitz us like a liquor store on a friday night, I know I would.

Hervoyel
09-29-2013, 07:58 PM
Matt Schaub pu55ied up in the second half. He had more opportunities to win this game for us than anyone else & he repeatedly screwed the pooch.

Just saying he can put stats up against good teams as well as the weak little sisters.


Right up until he can't. This season has been one long run of "Offense.....No Offense.....Wait! Offense Again!...... Never mind, it's gone now."

This system can put up stats against good teams as well as the weak sisters. Once the defense sorts out how to get into Matt's face and shut him down then they short him out and the system falls apart.

Just as before with David Carr, a QB who requires the rest of the offense to function perfectly and who can't create opportunities off-schedule is of no use to us. They get to him and he begins screwing up. Every offense screws up. Nobody scores a TD on every drive. Most drives that die short of a FG or TD die because someone makes a mistake. On a team where the QB is the one most likely to make the mistake you got real problems.

I can't imagine that Gary Kubiak thinks that the only thing Matt should do if the play doesn't go as planned is run out of the tackle box and throw the ball into the crowd on the sidelines. I really can't believe that he has laid down absolute instructions to that effect. I find myself thinking, believing if you will that Gary as much as the rest of us would like to see Matt turn a busted play into a positive gain but he almost never seems capable of doing it. The pressure comes toward him and he starts looking to the sidelines to get rid of it. Not only that but he does it earlier now than he used to. Today he was running toward the end zone and AJ and Nuk were both over there (if I ID'd them correctly) and he could have thrown it up there for one of them to make a play but no, he just threw it out of bounds.

Better safe than sorry. Want to make sure we get a FG if nothing else.

He might be the most uninspiring QB in the entire league.

DocBar
09-29-2013, 08:24 PM
Right up until he can't. This season has been one long run of "Offense.....No Offense.....Wait! Offense Again!...... Never mind, it's gone now."

This system can put up stats against good teams as well as the weak sisters. Once the defense sorts out how to get into Matt's face and shut him down then they short him out and the system falls apart.

Just as before with David Carr, a QB who requires the rest of the offense to function perfectly and who can't create opportunities off-schedule is of no use to us. They get to him and he begins screwing up. Every offense screws up. Nobody scores a TD on every drive. Most drives that die short of a FG or TD die because someone makes a mistake. On a team where the QB is the one most likely to make the mistake you got real problems.

I can't imagine that Gary Kubiak thinks that the only thing Matt should do if the play doesn't go as planned is run out of the tackle box and throw the ball into the crowd on the sidelines. I really can't believe that he has laid down absolute instructions to that effect. I find myself thinking, believing if you will that Gary as much as the rest of us would like to see Matt turn a busted play into a positive gain but he almost never seems capable of doing it. The pressure comes toward him and he starts looking to the sidelines to get rid of it. Not only that but he does it earlier now than he used to. Today he was running toward the end zone and AJ and Nuk were both over there (if I ID'd them correctly) and he could have thrown it up there for one of them to make a play but no, he just threw it out of bounds.

Better safe than sorry. Want to make sure we get a FG if nothing else.

He might be the most uninspiring QB in the entire league.MSR. Good post, man.

Schaub just doesn't have it. Time to move on.

Bulls on Parade
09-29-2013, 09:44 PM
I don't know about worse ever, but it's pretty bad though. I just knew we were going to win once JJ got that INT. I can't believe Matt Schaub threw that pick 6. All we needed was FG and game was sealed.
For the life of me, I still can't figure out why we didn't call for a run on that play Schaub threw the pick six? We could have punted with Shane Lechler and pinned them inside the 10 yard line.

I feel our defense would have made a big stop to win the game 20-13 in regulation. The Seahawks would have needed to go the length of the field and not a lot of time left. That would have eliminated potential runs by Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch. The Seahawks passing game was crap all game and our pass rush was more than good.

That Schaub pick six lost us the game. I'm still angry and frustrated.

DocBar
09-29-2013, 10:11 PM
For the life of me, I still can't figure out why we didn't call for a run on that play Schaub threw the pick six? We could have punted with Shane Lechler and pinned them inside the 10 yard line.

I feel our defense would have made a big stop to win the game 20-13 in regulation. The Seahawks would have needed to go the length of the field and not a lot of time left. That would have eliminated potential runs by Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch. The Seahawks passing game was crap all game and our pass rush was more than good.

That Schaub pick six lost us the game. I'm still angry and frustrated.
Your scenario could well be right, but Wilson can still scramble and get out of bounds while moving the chains. I don't have a bit of a problem with aggressive play calling by Kubiak, I have a problem with the execution by Schaub. Kubiak calls some pretty good games. Execution is the problem.

Rey
09-29-2013, 10:53 PM
For the life of me, I still can't figure out why we didn't call for a run on that play Schaub threw the pick six? We could have punted with Shane Lechler and pinned them inside the 10 yard line.

I feel our defense would have made a big stop to win the game 20-13 in regulation. The Seahawks would have needed to go the length of the field and not a lot of time left. That would have eliminated potential runs by Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch. The Seahawks passing game was crap all game and our pass rush was more than good.

That Schaub pick six lost us the game. I'm still angry and frustrated.

Kubiak was giving his qb a chance to win the game.

He now realizes he needs to not put so much on him because he obviously can't handle it.

Next time he'll go conservative. Schaub's not the guy you want to go all aggressive with.

DocBar
09-29-2013, 11:01 PM
Kubiak was giving his qb a chance to win the game.

He now realizes he needs to not put so much on him because he obviously can't handle it.

Next time he'll go conservative. Schaub's not the guy you want to go all aggressive with.And Kubiak will get just as much heat for going conservative. The best answer is to start a QB that can handle the heat. Schaubs awareness and physical limitations keep him from doing that. Yates and Keenum don't have the physical limitation issues. I'd love to see how they do with the pressure. It's old hat as to how Schaub handles it.

Kubiak needs to be aggressive and make a change at the most important position on the team. Man up and do it, Kubes.

thunderkyss
09-29-2013, 11:02 PM
Kubiak was giving his qb a chance to win the game.


We had just scored, we were up 14-3. Cushing forces Lynch to cough up the ball, our offense is on the 18 yard line, can't punch it in.

Seattle's defense had just given up a substantial scoring drive, they're right back on the field & they hold us to a FG. This is with Andre running free in the back of the end zone, little pressure around Schaub, but he throws it away.

Of course, we had to settle for a FG later on as well.

That's 8 points we left on the field.

DocBar
09-29-2013, 11:05 PM
We had just scored, we were up 14-3. Cushing forces Lynch to cough up the ball, our offense is on the 18 yard line, can't punch it in.

Seattle's defense had just given up a substantial scoring drive, they're right back on the field & they hold us to a FG.

Of course, we had to settle for a FG later on as well.

That's 8 points we left on the field.And those 8 points are on the offense.

TexaHawk
09-29-2013, 11:15 PM
On the pass play:

Sherman on his radio interview said that they saw that play called before in similar situations. Really, it was a lucky call. Because everyone is thinking run on that play, but Houston has used it for big gains. So they had a defense for it and if you watch the rush and Sherman, they look like they know what is coming.

Yeah, he should not have thrown it, but if Sherman is not in perfect position that play may be a TD and at minimum a first down. According to Sherm, the defense drew that play up and it worked. It ultimately ended up being a backbreaker but holding the Texans down for the half was really the story. Seattle was lucky to do that considering the success Houston had early.

Guys, I know you are down on Schaub, but when he is on, he is dangerous. It is so early. Now go into SF and beat the Whiners. CKaep is NOT as elusive as Wilson and will crumble under pressure if the outside is contained. He looks down every receiver but converts by burning the ball in there.

Let me put it to you this way, Kaep throws so hard that when JJ Swat tips a pass, it will go 50 feet in the air and get picked. The Niners have trouble with balanced teams. Even if they aren't the best, as long as they are balanced SF has trouble with them. They are not the dynamo that the media claims they are. Beating on the Rams is no big deal and SF fans think that they are all better because they handled STL. They aren't.


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thunderkyss
09-29-2013, 11:27 PM
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S4

Show off.

Bulls on Parade
09-29-2013, 11:32 PM
And Kubiak will get just as much heat for going conservative. The best answer is to start a QB that can handle the heat. Schaubs awareness and physical limitations keep him from doing that. Yates and Keenum don't have the physical limitation issues. I'd love to see how they do with the pressure. It's old hat as to how Schaub handles it.

Kubiak needs to be aggressive and make a change at the most important position on the team. Man up and do it, Kubes.
Very true but we should have done whatever it takes to win. In that situation and factoring in the field position, we have to trust one of the best punters of all time and our defense. This was the best game we played this season in terms of our strong pass rush. From that field position we were in, Shane Lechler would have boomed it with enough hang time to pin them inside their own 10 yard line.

The Seahawks return guy would have likely called for a fair catch. Playing conservatively would have won us an ugly but hard fought 20-13 game in regulation. All of us would have taken that and been happy with a 3-1 record going into San Francisco.

I don't want to put these games in Matt Schaub's hands late, especially when we have a Touchdown lead late in the game. Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball and punt if necessary. We're at home and the crowd noise would have carried us to a victory. The Seahawks would have probably made a few false starts, been rattled and Russell Wilson, who had a bad game throwing wise, likely is sacked, throws a pick or is ineffective with incompletions when he's not able to run.

DocBar
09-29-2013, 11:32 PM
I really, really want to be on the bash Matt Schaub bandwagon today, but he just threw for 355 yards & 2 TDs against a team that's only been giving up 241 total yards through 3 games, 146 through the air.
I didn't get to see the second half, rain took out my dish, so all I had to go by was 610 & the gameday thread. I'm not trying to make excuses for Matt Schaub, don't really care to defend him... but he put some yards & some points on what will probably the toughest defense we'll play all year.

My biggest question, is why do we not see this guy when we're playing the Titans, the Chargers, or a struggling undermanned Ravens?

When his back's against the wall he seems to answer the bell. Put him out with a 17 point lead against one of the best defenses in the NFL & he's a totally different player. I just don't understand it.Don't get ate up by the stat line. Lots of QB's make big numbers and lose games. Schaub just did it the opposite way today. He made his mark during the 1st half, not garbage time in a blowout. That makes it worse, BTW. He got figured out and shut down. That happens to mediocre QB's.

Bulls on Parade
09-29-2013, 11:34 PM
On the pass play:

Sherman on his radio interview said that they saw that play called before in similar situations. Really, it was a lucky call. Because everyone is thinking run on that play, but Houston has used it for big gains. So they had a defense for it and if you watch the rush and Sherman, they look like they know what is coming.
Another reason why you run on that play. Richard Sherman is arguably the best cornerback in the league right now. He shouldn't have even had a chance to make that pick six. To be honest, I put this loss on the playcalling (Kubiak called that play?). I don't blame Schaub for having limitations. The coaching is the one to blame for today's loss.

DocBar
09-29-2013, 11:42 PM
Another reason why you run on that play. Richard Sherman is arguably the best cornerback in the league right now. He shouldn't have even had a chance to make that pick six. To be honest, I put this loss on the playcalling (Kubiak called that play?). I don't blame Schaub for having limitations. The coaching is the one to blame for today's loss.I wasn't impressed by Seattle's vaunted secondary. I think they are the beneficiaries of a weak division. The NFC West has 2 good teams and two ho-hum teams. Kinda like the AFC South.

A wannabe QB like Schaub ripped that secondary for 30 minutes. It wasn;t until Seattle figured out how to pressure Schaub that they had any success. I don't fault Kubiak for his play call. I fault the players (SCHAUB) for poor execution. I'm all about aggressive play calling and going for the kill. Just have the players in place to handle that pressure.

thunderkyss
09-29-2013, 11:52 PM
Don't get ate up by the stat line. Lots of QB's make big numbers and lose games. Schaub just did it the opposite way today. He made his mark during the 1st half, not garbage time in a blowout. That makes it worse, BTW. He got figured out and shut down. That happens to mediocre QB's.

I'd like to at least be factual with my argument. We've got people going gaga over Collin Kaepernick & he scored 3 points against this Seattle defense. He was part of that 241 yards through 3 games.

Matt Schaub.... the Houston Texans really, but Matt was a big part of that, dropped the Seahawks out of the top 5... from #1.

People want to say Schaub can't beat the good teams, they say Matt chokes in big situations... I can get with that, I can argue that & we can find evidence of that.

but you're not going to tell me he's suffering from a LisFranc, throwing off his backfoot & he's the only QB to throw for over 300 yards on these guys. That's above their average, that's above Matt's average... that's a pretty good job.

The INTs.... not good. But when Blaine Gabbert torches these guys for 300 yards, let me know.

DocBar
09-29-2013, 11:57 PM
I'd like to at least be factual with my argument. We've got people going gaga over Collin Kaepernick & he scored 3 points against this Seattle defense. He was part of that 241 yards through 3 games.

Matt Schaub.... the Houston Texans really, but Matt was a big part of that, dropped the Seahawks out of the top 5... from #1.

People want to say Schaub can't beat the good teams, they say Matt chokes in big situations... I can get with that, I can argue that & we can find evidence of that.

but you're not going to tell me he's suffering from a LisFranc, throwing off his backfoot & he's the only QB to throw for over 300 yards on these guys. That's above their average, that's above Matt's average... that's a pretty good job.

The INTs.... not good. But when Blaine Gabbert torches these guys for 300 yards, let me know.A fool convinced is still a fool. Believe what you want regardless of the evidence in front of you.

bhsman
09-30-2013, 07:20 PM
A fool convinced is still a fool. Believe what you want regardless of the evidence in front of you.

Likewise.

thunderkyss
10-01-2013, 12:59 PM
Texans either jump out early and are stifled late or they struggle early and get some garbage time love.

One of the things that really upset me about last week, is that that is what we want. We want to get a 2 score lead, we want to get the run game going.... because then we've got them where we want them. We're coming after your QB & we're going to punk you into making mistakes on offense.

But it didn't happen. We had a 17 point lead, we had over 6 yards per carry.....

but we couldn't move the ball in the second half & we couldn't stop Russell Wilson.

axman40
10-01-2013, 04:40 PM
I have nothing to add so.....
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