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CloakNNNdagger
09-24-2013, 09:04 PM
Houston (CBS Houston) - Sam Montgomery hasn’t played in any of the Texans first three games. His transition from college defensive end to NFL outside linebacker hasn’t gone well. After his early troubles, the third round pick will switch back to defensive end. The reason behind the change appears to be size related.

“He’s a big boy, man, and I don’t think that he tries to gain weight but he’s just big. He’s naturally big. He’s not fat, he’s got all muscle but a weight thing kept being the issue,” Antonio Smith said while on Texans Radio on Sports Radio 610.

Montgomery did have conditioning issues at the beginning of training camp and never found a rhythm as the preseason progressed. According to Antonio Smith, the transition back to defensive end is going well.

“He just didn’t look comfortable in a standup position and now that coach Kollar (The Texans defensive line coach) has been working with him in his stance, he’s playing a lot better.” Antonio Smith said.

The position change will come with a new number. According to Drew Dougherty of the Texans, Montgomery will now wear number 95.link (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/09/24/sam-montgomery-switches-positions/)

As a sophomore in college, Montgomery was explosive. But then he put on some weight later in his college career which was much needed for him to stick at 4-3 DE in the NFL. But the weight gain didn't do him any favors on the football field, as per many of his draft profiles, he played stiff and exhibited far less explosion during his third year at LSU. That problem has followed him into his time with the Texans. He will still be a slow 3-4 DE, as he remains a mismatched 4-3 player looking for a position that doesn't exist here.

Brisco_County
09-24-2013, 09:09 PM
I had thought this was the intention from the beginning.

gwallaia
09-24-2013, 09:22 PM
He looked terrible in pre season, the guy could not shed blockers worth a damn.

Playoffs
09-24-2013, 09:28 PM
Good.

From August...
He has no skills. He has no craft. Looks more like a D-lineman to me. Sam has a lot to learn.

wolf123
09-24-2013, 09:29 PM
This move is way better then him at OLB.

Tailgate
09-25-2013, 12:46 AM
Yea, my initial thought when drafted was hopefully a future Antonio Smith replacement. Good to hear, hope he gets things going.

kiwitexansfan
09-25-2013, 01:01 AM
At least they are being proactive.

Texn4life
09-25-2013, 01:17 AM
Even with his hand in the ground he still comes off slow off the ball. A position change won't help that. Unless he gains some explosiveness I haven't seen I'm afraid its a wasted pick.

Wolf6151
09-25-2013, 02:32 AM
Even with his hand in the ground he still comes off slow off the ball. A position change won't help that. Unless he gains some explosiveness I haven't seen I'm afraid its a wasted pick.

My sentiments exactly. Montgomery is slow off the ball, at OLB or DE makes no difference. JMO but Montgomery was a mistake pick. I'd love to see us trade him to a team that runs a 4-3 defense, lets just cut our losses now instead of trying to make him into something he's not. We've already got Jamison and Crick at DE depth. Montgomery is too slow and heavy for OLB and to slow and small for 3-4 DE.

Corrosion
09-25-2013, 03:43 AM
Yea, my initial thought when drafted was hopefully a future Antonio Smith replacement. Good to hear, hope he gets things going.

Sam Montgomery cant hold the Ninja Assassin's jockstrap .... :texanbill:

digitalswim
09-25-2013, 06:29 AM
I just don't know how the Texans can feel good about reaching for so many projects in the last few drafts. I especially hated this years draft after the first round. It seems like they were either reaching, gambling or ignoring the skill sets of the guys they were drafting.

thunderkyss
09-25-2013, 06:40 AM
My sentiments exactly. Montgomery is slow off the ball, at OLB or DE makes no difference. JMO but Montgomery was a mistake pick. I'd love to see us trade him to a team that runs a 4-3 defense, lets just cut our losses now instead of trying to make him into something he's not. We've already got Jamison and Crick at DE depth. Montgomery is too slow and heavy for OLB and to slow and small for 3-4 DE.

I haven't seen much of Jamison since the season started & what little I did see, I didn't like. Looked like a spare tire thing going on... not good for a DE.

silvrhand
09-25-2013, 06:43 AM
I just don't know how the Texans can feel good about reaching for so many projects in the last few drafts. I especially hated this years draft after the first round. It seems like they were either reaching, gambling or ignoring the skill sets of the guys they were drafting.

I don't know if you can say that yet, Montgomery was the only one that I was really meh about. I would say anything after the third round you aren't expecting to start their rookie year. So of the players we got through the third round.

- deandre making an impact already
- swearinger already on the field and starting to make a few impact plays.
- OT got hurt, not sure if he'll pan out yet but it happens.
- Montgomery is the only one we should have stayed away from but they were trying to address the OLB position. There was a pretty good run on the LB in the middle of the second round. After that there really wasn't anyone else to take.

Wolf6151
09-25-2013, 07:41 AM
I haven't seen much of Jamison since the season started & what little I did see, I didn't like. Looked like a spare tire thing going on... not good for a DE.

I remember Jamison from 2 yrs. ago and he played great, but that achilles injury might have slowed him down a bit.

Rey
09-25-2013, 07:41 AM
So the texans took two OLB's in the draft and really didn't take any as far as this year is concerned.

Sounds like a desperation move to me. Sounds like Sam has struggled terribly so they are trying to salvage something....anything.

Meanwhile, you had guys that were actual DLinemen that actually showed something and we let them go. Texans too slow to get rid of guys. The lack of aggression permeates through this team.

Meanwhile you have a worthless player on the roster that wasted camp screwing around with a position he's not going to play anymore.

Tailgate
09-25-2013, 07:46 AM
Sam Montgomery cant hold the Ninja Assassin's jockstrap .... :texanbill:

Oh, there is definitely reason I gave him a D grade when we drafted him. But we wont know for sure yet.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=1381

Corrosion
09-25-2013, 07:54 AM
Oh, there is definitely reason I gave him a D grade when we drafted him. But we wont know for sure yet.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=1381

I gave him a C .... Probably more deserving of an F.


Looks like you made a good call there ... so far.

HOU-TEX
09-25-2013, 09:11 AM
Even with his hand in the ground he still comes off slow off the ball. A position change won't help that. Unless he gains some explosiveness I haven't seen I'm afraid its a wasted pick.

Agree with this. Dude's the slowest off the ball I've seen in quite some time.

badboy
09-25-2013, 09:40 AM
IF Reed and Merci continue to improve, it may not be as critical. We just do not have time imo for a project Dlineman or OLB. I too would wish for a trade to a 4-3 team.

eriadoc
09-25-2013, 11:11 AM
Didn't like him when he was drafted, don't like him now. He's going to bust here. He already has Chapter 1 of the Bust story written, in fact.

HOU-TEX
09-25-2013, 11:20 AM
Didn't like him when he was drafted, don't like him now. He's going to bust here. He already has Chapter 1 of the Bust story written, in fact.

I really wasn't aware of him until we drafted him. I'm not a "draft guru", but I usually have tabs on players that go where he did. Heck, I thought more of Chris Jones than this cat.

He's currently a wasted roster spot.

Bulls on Parade
09-25-2013, 11:35 AM
J.J. Watt promised he would take Sam Montgomery under his wing and teach him the tools of the trade. He said he would help light a fire under Montgomery and get him into top physical shape back in training camp. I guess you either have that inner drive to improve or you don't. I was hoping it could be taught to Montgomery.

Hes a big boy, man, and I dont think that he tries to gain weight but hes just big. Hes naturally big. Hes not fat, hes got all muscle but a weight thing kept being the issue, Antonio Smith said while on Texans Radio on Sports Radio 610.

In other words, he's unmotivated, fat, slow and lazy? What am I missing here? When people say you are not fat that usually means you are. I guess Antonio Smith doesn't care too much. As long as our young edge rushers (OLBs and DEs) are developing so slowly, it means the Texans have no choice but to keep paying the big dollars to "The Ninja" when it comes to talking about a future contract extension.

It baffles me how we can't seem to find some real talent to put around J.J. Watt in the front seven. Besides Brian Cushing and Antonio Smith of course, but Antonio seems to be more bark than top dog these days. Ever since we lost Mario Williams, DeMeco Ryans and to some degree Connor Barwin, we've been getting much worse with our front seven pass rush.

I thought Whitney Mercilus and Brooks Reed would become legitimate All Pros but they're not anywhere near that level yet. They are really disappointing me with their current play. We have very little talent, especially depth wise, on the defensive line and all across the board at the linebacker positions. If J.J. Watt were to get hurt we'd go from a top 10 defense to one of the worst in the league.

Rey
09-25-2013, 12:10 PM
You said Connor Barwin? Huh?

CloakNNNdagger
09-25-2013, 12:15 PM
You said Connor Barwin? Huh?

Same reaction I had.

eriadoc
09-25-2013, 01:44 PM
Ever since we lost Mario Williams, DeMeco Ryans and to some degree Connor Barwin, we've been getting much worse with our front seven pass rush.

If you're suggesting that Connor Barwin was lost after the 2011 season , I can get with that.

thunderkyss
09-25-2013, 04:05 PM
I'm thinking I was wrong about Mercilus. He's looked good this year. That strip sack they gave Antonio, Mercilus beat his man pretty bad, I thought he had a hold of Flacco before Antonio got there.

badboy
09-25-2013, 04:12 PM
I'm thinking I was wrong about Mercilus. He's looked good this year. That strip sack they gave Antonio, Mercilus beat his man pretty bad, I thought he had a hold of Flacco before Antonio got there.Reed gave LT fits all game and showed his strength imo.

WolverineFan
09-25-2013, 04:42 PM
Montgomery was strictly a 4-3 DE coming out IMO. He struggled to get off blocks and relied almost exclusively on speed rush. Those are not the qualities you look for in a 3-4 DE. He also did not move great in space and was more of a straight line guy. Not what you look for in a 3-4 OLB.

I called him a completely wasted pick the second we took him because he has no fit in our scheme.

I really wanted us to take Akeem Spence or Brian Schwenke with that pick. Spence already starts for Tampa and could have been a great complement/competition to Earl Mitchell. Schwenke would have been the perfect guy to groom to follow Myers. I liked him more than I like Ben Jones.

False Start
06-25-2014, 03:11 PM
Sonic Sam arrested. (http://gwdtoday.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=41&ArticleID=30503)

Former Greenwood High School football star and NFL hopeful has been arrested by SCHP for excessive speeding. More details on the arrest have not been released at this time. Montgomery was held in the Laurens County Detention Center. He was a 2009 graduate of Greenwood High School.



:kitten:

badboy
06-25-2014, 03:14 PM
Sonic Sam arrested. (http://gwdtoday.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=41&ArticleID=30503)



:kitten:at least there was no mention of him smoking a cigar.

False Start
06-25-2014, 03:21 PM
at least there was no mention of him smoking a cigar.

:littlelol:

No Worries
06-25-2014, 03:52 PM
http://gwdtoday.com/SiteImages/Article/30503a.jpg

LikeMike
06-25-2014, 04:24 PM
We should've cut him months ago - oh wait...

Playoffs
06-25-2014, 04:33 PM
I called him a completely wasted pick the second we took him because he has no fit in our scheme.

I really wanted us to take Akeem Spence or Brian Schwenke with that pick...

Your wish is our command... http://fun.resplace.net/Emoticons/Magic/Fairy.gif

badboy
06-25-2014, 11:37 PM
http://gwdtoday.com/SiteImages/Article/30503a.jpg

"I did not inhale" comes to mind. or "what cookie?"

ObsiWan
06-26-2014, 02:35 AM
We should've cut him months ago - oh wait...
yeah... he doesn't play for us any more and wasn't much to talk about when he was here
....so why was this thread worth a bump?? Just askiin'
:thinking:

powerfuldragon
06-26-2014, 07:56 AM
don't like him. hope he surprises me.

Fred
06-26-2014, 08:30 AM
yeah... he doesn't play for us any more and wasn't much to talk about when he was here
....so why was this thread worth a bump?? Just askiin'
:thinking:

Schadenfreude.

thunderkyss
06-26-2014, 09:00 AM
How fast do you have to be going to get arrested for speeding?

Vinny
06-26-2014, 09:02 AM
How fast do you have to be going to get arrested for speeding?

your car or your mouth?

CloakNNNdagger
06-26-2014, 09:32 AM
How fast do you have to be going to get arrested for speeding?
I don't know that states typically establish speeds over the limit which mandate arrest. Usually it will be at the discretion of the officer on the scene to determine a specific basis such as reckless endangerment or the like.

infantrycak
06-26-2014, 09:49 AM
How fast do you have to be going to get arrested for speeding?

your car or your mouth?

Vinny nailed it. Whether you pull over before they feel like they are chasing you and how you treat the cop determines whether you take a ride. Some states have a generally rule of thumb on doubling the speed limit but generally even that is discretionary and falls back onto circumstances and not being a d!ck to the cop.

Arky
06-26-2014, 03:22 PM
How fast do you have to be going to get arrested for speeding?

I believe the 610 radio guys said it was 89 in a 55.

The Pencil Neck
06-27-2014, 01:17 PM
I believe the 610 radio guys said it was 89 in a 55.

Oh, well. That's not so bad.

:vincepalm:

False Start
06-30-2014, 04:47 PM
yeah... he doesn't play for us any more and wasn't much to talk about when he was here
....so why was this thread worth a bump?? Just askiin'
:thinking:

It's the offseason, he was supposed to be the next great LB for the Texans, oh, and did I mention it's the offseason? That's why. :ahhaha:

Now back to arguing about AJ, and who should be the starting QB. :kitten:

ObsiWan
06-30-2014, 05:03 PM
It's the offseason, he was supposed to be the next great LB for the Texans, oh, and did I mention it's the offseason? That's why. :ahhaha:

Now back to arguing about AJ, and who should be the starting QB. :kitten:
A.J. is sick of losing.
Matt Schaub should be the starting QB.
:hides:

False Start
06-30-2014, 09:45 PM
A.J. is sick of losing.
Matt Schaub should be the starting QB.
:hides:

:littlelol:

Should have traded up for Johnny Doucheball or Bridgewater
Bring in VY for a tryout
We need a new RT
Bullock is fat
No more segways
Case Keenum deserves another shot
McNair is cheap
Ben Jones likes to eats grass
Move Reed to ILB
Cush is injury prone
Arian cheats on his wife
Fitzgerald is a bum
Dwight Jones is the next AJ
Trade for Ryan Mallet

Hmmmmm... what else? :thinking:

Oh yeah.....battlefight! :jam: :texflag:

Playoffs
06-30-2014, 09:57 PM
Dwight Jones is the next AJ
No way.






:tomato:

CretorFrigg
06-30-2014, 09:57 PM
I believe the 610 radio guys said it was 89 in a 55.

Seriously? That merits of an arrest?

badboy
06-30-2014, 10:45 PM
:littlelol:

Should have traded up for Johnny Doucheball or Bridgewater
Bring in VY for a tryout
We need a new RT
Bullock is fat
No more segways
Case Keenum deserves another shot
McNair is cheap
Ben Jones likes to eats grass
Move Reed to ILB
Cush is injury prone
Arian cheats on his wife
Fitzgerald is a bum
Dwight Jones is the next AJ
Trade for Ryan Mallet

Hmmmmm... what else? :thinking:

Oh yeah.....battlefight! :jam: :texflag:Yeah...wait...what? Ben Jones eats grass? Homogenized or 2 %?

Troy Chapman
07-01-2014, 07:39 AM
Seriously? That merits of an arrest?

Reportedly the officer has been suspended for his behavior during the arrest.

CloakNNNdagger
07-01-2014, 07:52 AM
Reportedly the officer has been suspended for his behavior during the arrest.

But the basis for the arrest and court date still stand.

GNTLEWOLF
07-01-2014, 07:56 AM
Seriously? That merits of an arrest?
I work for a police department and have for many years, and I can tell you that many people get arrested who might only get a citation because of POP (Piss Off Police)

xtruroyaltyx
07-01-2014, 08:39 AM
I work for a police department and have for many years, and I can tell you that many people get arrested who might only get a citation because of POP (Piss Off Police)


Bengals defensive end Sam Montgomery was pulled over early Wednesday morning when L.Cpl. R.S. Salter clocked him driving 89 mph in a 55 mph zone. Once Salter pulled him over, the South Carolina state trooper turned into a real *******. Montgomery was berated, handcuffed, put in the back of a patrol car, and taken to jail. Under South Carolina law, officers can make an arrest for speeding over 25 mph the posted limit. So, Montgomery was booked and released later that day with a $355 citation. Despite the legality of the arrest, Salter was suspended without pay the next day.

It's pretty clear to see why, too. As soon as Salter approaches the vehicle, he asks Montgomery if he is in the military. Salter says he's not military, but he is in the NFL. Salter's response is quick: "NFL? You're under arrest ... step out, please." Montgomery steps out and is incredibly, ridiculously polite as Salter gets more and more aggressive, at one point threatening to use a stun gun on the former Texans draft pick.

While there are some cordial moments later in the recording, the beginning of the stop is tense, with Salter at one point threatening to use a stun gun on Montgomery.

"Do not move. Look away from me. Look away. Look away. Keep your feet together. Sir, if you cannot follow my commands, the next thing you're going to get is a tazer. Spread your feet," said Salter in the video.

"Whoa, I'm not causing any problems," said Montgomery.

http://deadspin.com/dashcam-footage-shows-nfler-arrested-for-speeding-bein-1598361069

I think people may have jumped the gun on assuming Sam did something to piss this cop off. Kind of strange because in most cop threads around here, they don't tend to get the benefit of the doubt as quickly.

Here's a better video where you can hear better if you turn the audio all the way up.:
http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/25866896/nfl-player-arrested-in-laurens-co

Playoffs
07-01-2014, 08:44 AM
Video: SC trooper threatened Taser use on lineman (http://www.fresnobee.com/2014/06/30/4004134/video-sc-trooper-threatened-taser.html)
A suspended South Carolina state trooper threatened to use a Taser on Cincinnati Bengals defensive lineman Sam Montgomery during a traffic stop last week for speeding.

South Carolina Highway Patrol Lance Cpl. R.S. Salter shouted directions at Montgomery during the stop early Wednesday. The 6-foot-3, 262-pound lineman attempts to comply when Salter tells him if he can't follow the commands "the next thing you're going to get is the Taser."

"Whoa," Montgomery responds, "I'm not trying to cause problems."

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ4mR__w7HE

GNTLEWOLF
07-01-2014, 08:49 AM
http://deadspin.com/dashcam-footage-shows-nfler-arrested-for-speeding-bein-1598361069

I think people may have jumped the gun on assuming Sam did something to piss this cop off.

Cops are like employees of every other organization. There are those who are really good people who became police officers for the right reasons. There are those who are there for the uniform, respect(laugh), power, or whatever else. And there are those who are total jerks who like the idea that they are in control. And sometimes, even the good ones have a bad day. I'll not doubt at all that this particular cop was a jerk to the extreme and probably should not be allowed to ever wear a badge-anywhere!

xtruroyaltyx
07-01-2014, 09:00 AM
Cops are like employees of every other organization. There are those who are really good people who became police officers for the right reasons. There are those who are there for the uniform, respect(laugh), power, or whatever else. And there are those who are total jerks who like the idea that they are in control. And sometimes, even the good ones have a bad day. I'll not doubt at all that this particular cop was a jerk to the extreme and probably should not be allowed to ever wear a badge-anywhere!

My dad is a retired police officer. My brother just got his badge and has started doing patrol. All my dad wanted to do was his job (no bull****, nothing extra...just the job), and return home to his family, and retire at the earliest point possible.

I hope and believe my brother learned that from him.

steelbtexan
07-01-2014, 09:36 AM
:littlelol:

Should have traded up for Johnny Doucheball or Bridgewater
Bring in VY for a tryout
We need a new RT
Bullock is fat
No more segways
Case Keenum deserves another shot
McNair is cheap
Ben Jones likes to eats grass
Move Reed to ILB
Cush is injury prone
Arian cheats on his wife
Fitzgerald is a bum
Dwight Jones is the next AJ
Trade for Ryan Mallet

Hmmmmm... what else? :thinking:

Oh yeah.....battlefight! :jam: :texflag:

How does Slick Rick Smith still have his job?

Added topic

powda
07-01-2014, 09:38 AM
I work for a police department and have for many years, and I can tell you that many people get arrested who might only get a citation because of POP (Piss Off Police)

Yup. But as always there may be details attached we dont know about. Were there numerous lane changes in addition to the speeding that an officer might determine is a threat to others? Was this speeding near a school? A ticket is merely a promise to appear in court...did he refuse to sign it? If this guy is speeding down an empty freeway...more likely then anything hes just going to get a citation.

PapaL
07-01-2014, 09:58 AM
Wait...why is this still in Texans Talk section? Isn't he a Bengal now?

Playoffs
07-01-2014, 10:11 AM
25 over LEO said it was automatic arrest.

Was a little quick on the "I'm gonna hit you with the taser" comment.

Otherwise pretty SOP, except I don't know why he squnched him into the front seat instead of the back.

False Start
07-01-2014, 11:46 AM
How does Slick Rick Smith still have his job?

Added topic

Ooooh yeah. I cant believe I forgot about that. :littlelol:

Yeah...wait...what? Ben Jones eats grass? Homogenized or 2 %?

Bermuda. It's the hydro of turf. http://thebeerbarrel.net/smilies/bonghit.gif

http://www.holyturf.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/ben-jones-grass.jpg

He eats cockroaches too. (http://blog.chron.com/fanzone/2012/08/video-texans-rookie-ben-jones-voluntarily-eats-a-roach/)

He's the "Mikey" on the Texans roster, he'll eat anything.

xtruroyaltyx
07-01-2014, 03:37 PM
25 over LEO said it was automatic arrest.

Was a little quick on the "I'm gonna hit you with the taser" comment.

Otherwise pretty SOP, except I don't know why he squnched him into the front seat instead of the back.

Could not disagree more.

Everything I've read says that it is up to the officer's discretion if he wants to arrest or not. I've been stopped before for going 20 mph over the speed limit here in Texas and the officer told me that he could arrest me for going that high over the speed limit, just a heads up....He then gave me a ticket and sent me on my way...

There was nothing standard about that arrest.

Sam has no priors, there was no alcohol, no drugs.

The officer was a ********. A ****ing jackass.

If it was SOP then his department wouldn't have come out and apologized for his behavior and stated that his behavior does not represent them...and then..oh yeah...suspended him....


And a "little quick" with the taser comment? How about completely unnecessary and unfounded?