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Texanmike02
09-22-2013, 07:19 PM
Ok, I'm also starting to lie.

If we were 3-0 and had blown all three teams out by 3 TDs we would be complaining that we peaked too early. Last year we started out 5-0 and its pretty easy to argue that we peaked too early. The year before that, same thing. This time last year the Ravens were 2-1 and the 9ers were 2-1. Neither team looked particularly dominant, meanwhile the Falcons, started 8-0, the texans started 5-0 and we both looked great early in the year.

The bad news is that this team isn't playing up to its potential. People are bitching about Schaub, the OL, the running backs, the DBs the LBs the punt coverage, the coaching and I think somebody pointed out that the grounds keepers at reliant over painted the stripes on the hash marks. Guess what, it doesn't matter. It is easy to point at one player and say "ah-ha, that's the problem" but football is not a single point of failure game. There are 11 possible things that can go wrong on every play and each one of those 11 things has probably an infinite number of miss fires in their little world. Can you blame Matt for throwing the pick six? Sure. Can you blame OD for turning his back on the play and allowing a pick six? Absolutely. You can blame Lechler for out kicking his coverage, or the first 3 guys down the field for overrunning the runner. You can blame Martin for not catching the ball that hits him in stride in the elbow or Dre for dropping a pass that would have given him a chance to get a first down. I can blame KJ for PI in the end zone or JJo for taunting an opponent after making a stop (by the way, that was the most egregious error of the day) or McCain for playing a pretty bad game.

I can get down into the X's and O's and talk about not passing off rushers off or safety's getting caught sleeping. You can look at Matt and the fact that he wasn't accurate today. Last week, even when you guys were hating him, he was making plays all game. He had one big mistake but other than that he was standing tall in the pocket and feeling the situation around him.

Simply put, we didn't make plays. We've had a lot of bad football in Houston, a lot. I recognize it when I see it. Usually discussions about an inherently bad team are about growing in the future. That's not the case here. We're disappointed because this team is under performing.

I get being upset. Football isn't about playing perfect, it is about people making plays that cover up the imperfections. OD should have protected his QB when he made that throw. Winning teams do that. Winning teams get in JJo's face when he's about to do something stupid like get a taunting penalty.

The good news? We have played terrible. By terrible I mean we haven't made plays that we should. I mean we haven't peaked. Last year we probably win this game going away. (Actually we did, in a big way). That was probably the apex of our season. Iron out some deficiencies, tighten up, stop reading your press clippings and start stepping on necks. Panic? Meh, no more than I would be exited if we looked outstanding at this point.

Mike

AMartin56
09-22-2013, 07:58 PM
For me it comes down to:

Will we be aggressive and attempt to improve the team or will we stand pat?

Unfortunately I think we'll stand pat. You pointed out how the Ravens's were just another team three weeks into the season last year. But they also identified a problem and corrected it with a major move ( firing their offensive coordinator).

We can't even work up the gumption to fire our special teams coach and will still probably be trotting Newton out there in week 16 after wasting another year of Andre Johnson. :(

stingray
09-22-2013, 08:05 PM
It really just boils down to how well we protect Matt Shaub and how well we put pressure on the opposing QB. So far, not so good. So yeah, there is a reason to worry.

MEGA SWATT
09-22-2013, 08:44 PM
Ok, I'm also starting to lie.

If we were 3-0 and had blown all three teams out by 3 TDs we would be complaining that we peaked too early. Last year we started out 5-0 and its pretty easy to argue that we peaked too early. The year before that, same thing. This time last year the Ravens were 2-1 and the 9ers were 2-1. Neither team looked particularly dominant, meanwhile the Falcons, started 8-0, the texans started 5-0 and we both looked great early in the year.

The bad news is that this team isn't playing up to its potential. People are bitching about Schaub, the OL, the running backs, the DBs the LBs the punt coverage, the coaching and I think somebody pointed out that the grounds keepers at reliant over painted the stripes on the hash marks. Guess what, it doesn't matter. It is easy to point at one player and say "ah-ha, that's the problem" but football is not a single point of failure game. There are 11 possible things that can go wrong on every play and each one of those 11 things has probably an infinite number of miss fires in their little world. Can you blame Matt for throwing the pick six? Sure. Can you blame OD for turning his back on the play and allowing a pick six? Absolutely. You can blame Lechler for out kicking his coverage, or the first 3 guys down the field for overrunning the runner. You can blame Martin for not catching the ball that hits him in stride in the elbow or Dre for dropping a pass that would have given him a chance to get a first down. I can blame KJ for PI in the end zone or JJo for taunting an opponent after making a stop (by the way, that was the most egregious error of the day) or McCain for playing a pretty bad game.

I can get down into the X's and O's and talk about not passing off rushers off or safety's getting caught sleeping. You can look at Matt and the fact that he wasn't accurate today. Last week, even when you guys were hating him, he was making plays all game. He had one big mistake but other than that he was standing tall in the pocket and feeling the situation around him.

Simply put, we didn't make plays. We've had a lot of bad football in Houston, a lot. I recognize it when I see it. Usually discussions about an inherently bad team are about growing in the future. That's not the case here. We're disappointed because this team is under performing.

I get being upset. Football isn't about playing perfect, it is about people making plays that cover up the imperfections. OD should have protected his QB when he made that throw. Winning teams do that. Winning teams get in JJo's face when he's about to do something stupid like get a taunting penalty.

The good news? We have played terrible. By terrible I mean we haven't made plays that we should. I mean we haven't peaked. Last year we probably win this game going away. (Actually we did, in a big way). That was probably the apex of our season. Iron out some deficiencies, tighten up, stop reading your press clippings and start stepping on necks. Panic? Meh, no more than I would be exited if we looked outstanding at this point.

Mike

Basically ur saying that when the texans start rolling later down the line, it won't matter that Schaub throws a pick 6 bc we will still be up by 17 pts right?:wadepalm: As long as MS is the QB, we win no super bowl

HouTx11
09-22-2013, 08:47 PM
Not in panic mode yet, but I am very concerned right now.

I hope AJ and Brown are healthy enough to play next week.

Rey
09-22-2013, 08:49 PM
Yes people would be upset if we had blown the doors off the first three games.

Lmao.

Where do you come up with this stuff.

Folks would be cautiously optimistic. Some would be ecstatic. No one would be upset because we "peaked too early". That's an absolutely ridiculous take.

amazing80
09-22-2013, 08:53 PM
Blaming OD for a terrible throw :kubepalm: thats whats wrong with Houston fans.....always trying to justify Schaubs crap throws

Texanmike02
09-22-2013, 09:36 PM
Yes people would be upset if we had blown the doors off the first three games.

Lmao.

Where do you come up with this stuff.

Folks would be cautiously optimistic. Some would be ecstatic. No one would be upset because we "peaked too early". That's an absolutely ridiculous take.

Yeah, you're right. My bad

To me it seems like this team has hit its peak to early in the season and is coming off that peak and is now slumping into the playoffs. Blame injuries or whatever but at this rate this is a one and done team.

Im not even sure homefield adv. would even matter right now cuz we just got spanked by the vikings in Reliant. Kubiak and co. better step up their game this Sunday and show us something, because we are looking like an all hype and no substance team.

Before the season had started I theorized that the Texans would hit their stride by the 13th or 14th game ideally. You don't want to peak too early in the season and then limp into the playoffs. The last couple of Super Bowls have shown us that the team that gets into the playoffs hot experiences success. Unfortunately, my feeling is that this team may have peaked early in the season even though it didn't look like it because of the blowout victories. We're being found out right now and I wonder if Kubiak has what it takes to overcome these deficiencies. The defensive penalties and blown coverages are alarming and Schaub's play has been shaky over the past 2 weeks. Even the pass protection has been average imo. I think one of the best things to happen in this game was the last 3 mins where Arian found gaping holes and the offense looked like it finally found its rhythm. Winning the division was great today and a nice accomplishment, but from what I've seen over the past few weeks I don't think this team is capable of making a deep playoff run unless the team plays better.

Schaub has been money thus far, so I won't say a word about the pass game. I think the run game averaging less than 4 yards a carry is the biggest "problem" right now. There hasn't been much to bicker about when it comes to throwing the ball, but running the football is not top notch currently.

As the season wears on, the run game will get better, and the offense will kill ever more. This is why good teams don't peak in October.

Or maybe.... Oh yeah, I remember having the discussions last year and the year before that and the year before that...

Mike

Texanmike02
09-22-2013, 09:38 PM
Basically ur saying that when the texans start rolling later down the line, it won't matter that Schaub throws a pick 6 bc we will still be up by 17 pts right?:wadepalm: As long as MS is the QB, we win no super bowl

:vincepalm: <-- he can't read either.


I said that I'll take a pick six every week if the QB is making plays otherwise. Last week and the week before that, Schaub was making plays in spite of having pressure all game. He was sliding left and right and made several plays as he was getting tackled. Today he wasn't.

Mike

Texanmike02
09-22-2013, 09:43 PM
Blaming OD for a terrible throw :kubepalm: thats whats wrong with Houston fans.....always trying to justify Schaubs crap throws

:vincepalm:

Nobody blamed OD for the throw. I blamed OD for giving up on the play. Schaub made a poor throw. OD gave up on the play. The first is part of the game, the latter is unforgivable. The throw was in front of OD and he didn't make the play because he turned his back to absorb the hit.

The problem with Houston fans is that they don't actually analyze the play. The problem with "haters" is that they won't accept failure assigned to anyone but whoever their scapegoat is. Go watch the play and stop regurgitating the ignorant view that Schaub is responsible for the pick-six. Schaub threw a pick. It was six because the TE gave up on the play.

Mike

MEGA SWATT
09-22-2013, 09:53 PM
Blaming OD for a terrible throw :kubepalm: thats whats wrong with Houston fans.....always trying to justify Schaubs crap throws

Msr

MEGA SWATT
09-22-2013, 09:55 PM
:vincepalm: <-- he can't read either.


I said that I'll take a pick six every week if the QB is making plays otherwise. Last week and the week before that, Schaub was making plays in spite of having pressure all game. He was sliding left and right and made several plays as he was getting tackled. Today he wasn't.

Mike

He's in denial:wadepalm:

As long as ms is our QB, we will not win a SB:bender:

Lucky
09-22-2013, 09:56 PM
Can you blame Matt for throwing the pick six? Sure. Can you blame OD for turning his back on the play and allowing a pick six? Absolutely.
Geez. Now the Schaub apologists are throwing Daniels under the bus.

It really just boils down to how well we protect Matt Shaub and how well we put pressure on the opposing QB. So far, not so good. So yeah, there is a reason to worry.
Schaub wasn't even pressured on the interception. Flat out didn't look at the coverage. That would be unacceptable with a rookie QB.

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Texanmike02
09-22-2013, 10:01 PM
Geez. Now the Schaub apologists are throwing Daniels under the bus.


Schaub wasn't even pressured on the interception. Flat out didn't look at the coverage. That would be unacceptable with a rookie QB.

I'm not a Schaub apologist. I'm a Texans fan. I thought the first two weeks that Schaub played well in spite of pressure and poor OL play. I thought that today his play was unacceptable. If you took names and numbers off of jerseys and looked at Schaub in week 1 and 2 vs today they weren't the same player. He didn't move as well, he didn't step into throws and you can't win with Schaub if he plays the way he did today.

The pick he threw today was a bad throw but go watch the play. If you're ok with OD's effort on that play then I don't know what to say. Good teams and even good QBs make bad plays and bad throws. This was much more egregious. OD should have made an immediate tackle (or jarred the ball loose).

Like I said, the pick is on Schaub. The six is on OD.

Mike

Porky
09-22-2013, 10:03 PM
Blaming OD for that play is like blaming the Titanic sinking on the musicians being out of tune on the side deck. Ridiculous.

Equally ludicrous is saying people would be bitching that we are peaking too early if we had blown these three teams out. You took examples posts from late in the year when the team was tanking. People at that point were speculating on why. One theory was peaking too soon.

That is far, far different then saying the team is peaking too soon during the "peak". It was all hindsight Monday morning QBing. That's what fans do. So ya when the team tanked, people were grasping for straws.

Ya, it's all sunshine and rainbows here. Don't worry that this team should be 0-3 but for a couple of miracle comebacks. It's all good here. Nothing to see. Move along.

MEGA SWATT
09-22-2013, 10:06 PM
Ed says calm down.

Thx for that sir

Lucky
09-22-2013, 10:09 PM
The pick he threw today was a bad throw but go watch the play. If you're ok with OD's effort on that play then I don't know what to say.
I don't know what you will say, either. But, I'm pretty sure it will be an apology for Schaub.

The only way Daniels prevents that from being a TD is if he turns around at the snap and sacks Schaub himself.

deucetx
09-22-2013, 10:13 PM
Couple things I woudl disagree. One, Schaub did not play good in the Titans game. He had rather poor ball placement and the receivers did a heck of a job making catches. He was superb against the Chargers but definitely not the Titans. There is a reason he received a negative rating on that one even from PFF.

The pick 6 today...that was not on OD. Daryl Smith came from behind as OD went off his feet (slightly) to make the catch. As OD was coming down and the momentum made him take one step back, Smith was already racing off with the ball. He would have to be Superman to make something happen. It is the very first highlight. Not even sure why you put that on OD

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=330922033

beerlover
09-22-2013, 10:16 PM
This is preseason right? Or at least they're playing like it so one more to go then hopefully it will be all good after that. Russell Wilson in the house next week, what a great young QB Texans take notes.

handswarmer
09-22-2013, 10:24 PM
that pick six reminded me of the pick six against the Ravens in OT in 2011 that cost the game.

As soon as it left the hand, it was destined to be picked....

waynegg
09-22-2013, 10:39 PM
:vincepalm:

Nobody blamed OD for the throw. I blamed OD for giving up on the play. Schaub made a poor throw. OD gave up on the play. The first is part of the game, the latter is unforgivable. The throw was in front of OD and he didn't make the play because he turned his back to absorb the hit.

The problem with Houston fans is that they don't actually analyze the play. The problem with "haters" is that they won't accept failure assigned to anyone but whoever their scapegoat is. Go watch the play and stop regurgitating the ignorant view that Schaub is responsible for the pick-six. Schaub threw a pick. It was six because the TE gave up on the play.

Mike

The first is all too common. The second never happens and it's crap to blame the receivers and ends for hi lighting all of Schaub's short comings if you really think OD gave up on the play. And if that is the case, perhaps they're tired of making Schaub look good and taking the blame when they can't don that super cape every game. Schaub isn't it. He doesn't have what's needed to get to the next level.

If those he throws to decided to stop going to super human lengths to make our mediocre quarterback look like a star, good for them! It'll expose Schaub for what he is and maybe a positive change can be made to get our team to where we all want them to be. People made every excuse for David Carr too...

Besides, watching the film over and Schaub is responsible for both pick 6 on the season. There's a huge difference between supporting your team and sticking your head in the sand.

Lucky
09-22-2013, 10:39 PM
that pick six reminded me of the pick six against the Ravens in OT in 2011 that cost the game.

As soon as it left the hand, it was destined to be picked....
Schaub had heavy pressure from Ngata on that play. That doesn't absolve him from making the mistake. He should have thrown the ball away. But without any pressure whatsoever, he just sat back and fired the pick today without even looking at the LB. Unconscionable.

waynegg
09-22-2013, 10:41 PM
that pick six reminded me of the pick six against the Ravens in OT in 2011 that cost the game.

As soon as it left the hand, it was destined to be picked....

And we agree on something...

CloakNNNdagger
09-22-2013, 10:49 PM
Just like the end of last year, in the last 2 games Schaub has been throwing off of his back foot more and more.

Texanmike02
09-22-2013, 10:50 PM
The first is all too common. The second never happens and it's crap to blame the receivers and ends for hi lighting all of Schaub's short comings if you really think OD gave up on the play. And if that is the case, perhaps they're tired of making Schaub look good and taking the blame when they can't don that super cape every game. Schaub isn't it. He doesn't have what's needed to get to the next level.

If those he throws to decided to stop going to super human lengths to make our mediocre quarterback look like a star, good for them! It'll expose Schaub for what he is and maybe a positive change can be made to get our team to where we all want them to be. People made every excuse for David Carr too...

Besides, watching the film over and Schaub is responsible for both pick 6 on the season. There's a huge difference between supporting your team and sticking your head in the sand.

If somebody on our team is "tired of making him look good" then I want them off of my team.

If I were in the army even thought that one of my troops was "tired of making someone else look good" I would have their ass the moment it showed up in their work. Your entire post is riddled with everything that happens in a cancerous locker room and poisons organizations.

You could bring Peyton Manning in here but if you have a bunch of players that have the attitude you describe you won't win squat.

Mike

waynegg
09-22-2013, 10:53 PM
Schaub had heavy pressure from Ngata on that play. That doesn't absolve him from making the mistake. He should have thrown the ball away. But without any pressure whatsoever, he just sat back and fired the pick today without even looking at the LB. Unconscionable.

BooHoo! National. Football. League. every QB faces pressure. Not every QB consistently gives their opponent a wrapped gift. Twice in three weeks. He should have been benched for someone more mobile and more accurate. For the team.

Lucky
09-22-2013, 10:57 PM
Just like the end of last year, in the last 2 games Schaub has been throwing off of his back foot more and more.
The knee jerk reaction is to blame the foot injury. But the back foot is where the lisfranc occurred, right? Throwing off his back foot is an indication of not wanting to step into the pocket. I think the elephant in the room is that we have a gun shy QB. Maybe rightfully so. But, that's still not a good thing.

waynegg
09-22-2013, 10:59 PM
If somebody on our team is "tired of making him look good" then I want them off of my team.

If I were in the army even thought that one of my troops was "tired of making someone else look good" I would have their ass the moment it showed up in their work. Your entire post is riddled with everything that happens in a cancerous locker room and poisons organizations.

You could bring Peyton Manning in here but if you have a bunch of players that have the attitude you describe you won't win squat.

Mike
When Matt isn't doing his part, and he isn't, those faults need to be exposed so they can be changed. Bury them with spectacular plays which would have been even more so had they been hit on target instead of behind the runner or in the dirt or 18 feet over their head or whatever and the root of the problem remains. Schaub needs to go.

For all you say about it taking 11, you sure are quick to defend 1 and put it on the other 10. The accuracy issues, the lack of mobility, the la k of speed, the telegraphing the play, the can only perform under ideal conditions are all on Schaub. The other 10 shouldn't have to take his blame nor should they continue to make him look better than he is. Cut the cancer out.

Lucky
09-22-2013, 10:59 PM
BooHoo! National. Football. League. every QB faces pressure. Not every QB consistently gives their opponent a wrapped gift. Twice in three weeks. He should have been benched for someone more mobile and more accurate. For the team.
Wayne, I was referring to an interception from 2010. Try to keep up.

waynegg
09-22-2013, 11:01 PM
And in all but three plays today, Schaub had three plus seconds of protection. How freaking long does he need? This ain't pewees.

waynegg
09-22-2013, 11:03 PM
Wayne, I was referring to an interception from 2010. Try to keep up.

I'm talking about right now, when it matters. Something 3 years ago has no relevance to what's happening here and now. Point taken tough.

Texanmike02
09-22-2013, 11:13 PM
When Matt isn't doing his part, and he isn't, those faults need to be exposed so they can be changed. Bury them with spectacular plays which would have been even more so had they been hit on target instead of behind the runner or in the dirt or 18 feet over their head or whatever and the root of the problem remains. Schaub needs to go.

For all you say about it taking 11, you sure are quick to defend 1 and put it on the other 10. The accuracy issues, the lack of mobility, the la k of speed, the telegraphing the play, the can only perform under ideal conditions are all on Schaub. The other 10 shouldn't have to take his blame nor should they continue to make him look better than he is. Cut the cancer out.

Forget it man. While I have made it clear that Schaub cannot play the way he played today if we want to go anywhere. You apparently are not able to examine the team beyond the QB position. Schaub dragged the offensive sieve, I mean line, kicking and screaming through two weeks of terrible (especially Brooks) play. Today he was sub par and below the level that is acceptable if we want to go anywhere.

I will ignore other deficiencies and if we have a team that is tired of making people look good (which is funny that the mark of a great player has always been "makes others around him better") then somehow that's admirable. From now on I will look one level deep and avoid any analysis beyond what the drunk guy from section 616 offers every week so that I can avoid your sharp criticisms.


Mike

Texanmike02
09-22-2013, 11:16 PM
The knee jerk reaction is to blame the foot injury. But the back foot is where the lisfranc occurred, right? Throwing off his back foot is an indication of not wanting to step into the pocket. I think the elephant in the room is that we have a gun shy QB. Maybe rightfully so. But, that's still not a good thing.

I don't think he's looked gun shy until today. I was at the game last week (in section 616) and he was moving around the pocket very well. He didn't step into a couple of throws but generally speaking if Brooks wasn't given help in pass pro he was in Matt's lap as he threw.

Mike

CloakNNNdagger
09-22-2013, 11:17 PM
The knee jerk reaction is to blame the foot injury. But the back foot is where the lisfranc occurred, right? Throwing off his back foot is an indication of not wanting to step into the pocket. I think the elephant in the room is that we have a gun shy QB. Maybe rightfully so. But, that's still not a good thing.

As the Lisfranc back foot is used more and more over time, the "wear down" effect which includes pain and tenderness, will not allow push off to step up into the pocket. Nor will it allow the all-important push off into the throw for consistent accuracy/strength of pass. He will simply stand there on his back foot like a statue. This is all consistent with the duck passes we have been seeing him throw too often now........some behind the receiver, some way above, and some WTF-type of passes to a phantom receiver.

waynegg
09-22-2013, 11:26 PM
He's never been consistently accurate. My loathe for him is far deeper than this season. He's an almost good quarterback who relies on his team to produce his stats and who settles for field goals after being first and goal on the 5 or less.

With a QB who covers Schaub's shortcomings you get:

Additional yards after the completion

Higher TD conversion in the red zone

A QB who has their own feet to make a play

A hurry up that can actually hurry up

A defense that gets regular periods of rest, which takes care of pass coverage. When was the last time you did sprints for 35 minutes solid without losing a step?

A special teams that is similarly rested. Sprinting the length of the field every 3 minutes in full pads seems to take it out of most people.

And wherever they send Schaub, let Bullock carry his bags.

Lucky
09-22-2013, 11:27 PM
As the Lisfranc back foot is used more and more over time, the "wear down" effect which includes pain and tenderness, will not allow push off to step up into the pocket. Nor will it allow the all-important push off into the throw for consistent accuracy/strength of pass. He will simply stand there on his back foot like a statue.
So it is likely the lingering effects of the injury? How can that get better?

OK, I'm starting to panic. For real.

waynegg
09-22-2013, 11:30 PM
?..tired of making people look good (which is funny that the mark of a great player has always been "makes others around him better") then somehow that's admirable.

Making others look good =/= making others better

thunderkyss
09-22-2013, 11:32 PM
I get being upset. Football isn't about playing perfect, it is about people making plays that cover up the imperfections. .

.

Mike

great post. Unfortunately, if I agree with you that means you're smoking koolaid laced cigarettes.

waynegg
09-22-2013, 11:33 PM
The positive deal is the Texans already have at least one QB who will accomplish what Schaub can't.

Brisco_County
09-22-2013, 11:46 PM
Schaub has built up enough credibility with Kubiak to secure his starting role until at least the end of the season. He would have to really screw up consistently for many weeks before getting the bench. What that means is that this season will likely see no changes, and it's going to be a tough one to watch.

The right tackle position is compromised, and it could possibly improve if Ryan Harris rotates in. But the QB production will steadily decline as Schaub's foot becomes more unreliable. Just set your expectations right now, because there is a lot of ugly Texans football for the next 13 weeks.

CloakNNNdagger
09-22-2013, 11:55 PM
So it is likely the lingering effects of the injury? How can that get better?

OK, I'm starting to panic. For real.

I do believe that we are seeing lingering effects of his Lisfranc. As I've tried so many times before to explain, this is not the type of injury that you necessarily would expect re-injury. It is an injury that many times manifests itself as a slowly progressive course of tenderness and aching, not atypically including a degenerative arthritis component. Rest tends to help temporarily, but as soon as repeated stresses are placed on the foot again, the negative effects on performance tend to return and continue, much like an elbow tendonitis problem in a tennis player. Unfortunately, unlike the knee which can be better supported and stabilized by strengthening the large hamstring and quad muscles, there are virtually no muscles of significant size in the foot that can be strengthened enough to effictively improve the support and stability of the Lisfranc joint that must carry the burden of a moving 6'5" 240 pound person.

waynegg
09-23-2013, 12:07 AM
I do believe that we are seeing lingering effects of his Lisfranc. As I've tried so many times before to explain, this is not the type of injury that you necessarily would expect re-injury. It is an injury that many times manifests itself as a slowly progressive course of tenderness and aching, not atypically including a degenerative arthritis component. Rest tends to help temporarily, but as soon as repeated stresses are placed on the foot again, the negative effects on performance tend to return and continue, much like an elbow tendonitis problem in a tennis player. Unfortunately, unlike the knee which can be better supported and stabilized by strengthening the large hamstring and quad muscles, there are virtually no muscles of significant size in the foot that can be strengthened enough to effictively improve the support and stability of the Lisfranc joint that must carry the burden of a moving 6'5" 240 pound person.

I experienced so,etching similar with my elbow and it progressed to the point over the years to where I can't even do curls over 15 pounds with my right arm without paying for it for a month. If that's Schaub's problem, it explains a lot.

steelbtexan
09-23-2013, 12:08 AM
I do believe that we are seeing lingering effects of his Lisfranc. As I've tried so many times before to explain, this is not the type of injury that you necessarily would expect re-injury. It is an injury that many times manifests itself as a slowly progressive course of tenderness and aching, not atypically including a degenerative arthritis component. Rest tends to help temporarily, but as soon as repeated stresses are placed on the foot again, the negative effects on performance tend to return and continue, much like an elbow tendonitis problem in a tennis player. Unfortunately, unlike the knee which can be better supported and stabilized by strengthening the large hamstring and quad muscles, there are virtually no muscles of significant size in the foot that can be strengthened enough to effictively improve the support and stability of the Lisfranc joint that must carry the burden of a moving 6'5" 240 pound person.

Thanks for the explanation Doc.

The future is looking kinda bleak. It seems to be time to find the QB of the future.

CloakNNNdagger
09-23-2013, 01:16 PM
So it is likely the lingering effects of the injury? How can that get better?

OK, I'm starting to panic. For real.


Seth Payne this morning was pointing out that Schaub was passing off of his back foot most of the game.

silvrhand
09-23-2013, 01:26 PM
Seth Payne this morning was pointing out that Schaub was passing off of his back foot most of the game.

The question is now is this mental or physical issues, and only a few people will likely know the reason.

The1ApplePie
09-23-2013, 01:32 PM
Despite Watt and Cush, the front seven is just garbage

Hopkins being a beast gives me hope for the offense though.

At least the Texans haven't gotten kicked in the balls by Father Time like the Steelers. Good lord do they look slow.

Young teams like the Colts and the Bengals are closing the gap. Not sure what to think of Miami yet, but they are vastly improved.

Its one game to a superior opponent. Its not like the Texans fell off a cliff like the Steelers, Giants, and Skins.

2012Champs
09-23-2013, 01:33 PM
Blaming OD for that play is like blaming the Titanic sinking on the musicians being out of tune on the side deck. Ridiculous.

Equally ludicrous is saying people would be bitching that we are peaking too early if we had blown these three teams out. You took examples posts from late in the year when the team was tanking. People at that point were speculating on why. One theory was peaking too soon.

That is far, far different then saying the team is peaking too soon during the "peak". It was all hindsight Monday morning QBing. That's what fans do. So ya when the team tanked, people were grasping for straws.

Ya, it's all sunshine and rainbows here. Don't worry that this team should be 0-3 but for a couple of miracle comebacks. It's all good here. Nothing to see. Move along.



You are easily the worst person I have ever seen at making analogies

badboy
09-23-2013, 01:35 PM
To heck with "peaking" go out each game and manhandle the opponent, play to win not play to remain close and hope to win game at end. Call better plays, let the FB protect the Qb rather than block for the half back 100%. Quit throwing passes 5 yards from LOS and stretch the field. 14 penalties? Get outta here!

I will calm down when we start playing like a contender. I don't watch crappy wins. Let's play like we belong in the NFL and coach like it also.

cstyle42
09-23-2013, 01:36 PM
The question is now is this mental or physical issues, and only a few people will likely know the reason.

It's both and it has been both. If you honestly put Kubiak and Schaub against Harbough and Flacco who do you truly thinks wins? Right now looking at it like this makes me think we should be 2-1 but will be 2-3 after going against tye former usc coach/Russell Wilson then Harbough/kap.

Texanmike02
09-23-2013, 06:12 PM
It's both and it has been both. If you honestly put Kubiak and Schaub against Harbough and Flacco who do you truly thinks wins? Right now looking at it like this makes me think we should be 2-1 but will be 2-3 after going against tye former usc coach/Russell Wilson then Harbough/kap.

Isolated in a bubble with identical teams? It is probably a coin flip. Save me the "but look at their history".

Before last year Flacco had the same reputation that many attribute to Schaub. The Coaches aren't even close?

It gets so old hearing how Kubiak has been her for sooooo long and done nothing. Harbaugh inherited Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Hiloti Nata, Terrel Sugs, Bart Scott, Willis McGahee, Derick Mason, Jonathan Ogden, Todd Heap and then got to draft Flacco and Rice his first year.

Those players went on to start hundreds of games for either the Ravens or other teams for YEARS.

His team was one season removed from 13-3 and then the year before he got there was 5-11 after McNair went down and Kyle Boller and after staring 4-4 they lost 7 of 8 with Boller.

Kubiak inherited Andre Johnson. No HOF tackles, no HOF LBrs, no HOF safety, no top 20 RB. His RB? Ron Dayne. Johnson and Daniels are the only names even mentionable on the best players at their position on offense. Mario Williams was a top tier player and I'll give you Ryans. That's it.

Now lets look at 2009. Both teams went 9-7.

QB: Joe Flacco - Matt Schaub --- wash
RB: Ray Rice - Slayton --- adv BAL
WR: Mason - Johnson --- adv Hou
WR: Clayton - Walter --- wash
TE: Heap - Daniels --- wash
LT: Gaither - Brown --- adv Bal
LG: Grubs - Studdard --- adv Bal
C: Birk - Meyers --- adv Bal (both Brown and Meyers were terrible in 09)
RG: Chester - White --- adv Bal (seriously, a bloody tampon was more likely to block)
RT: Oher - Winston --- adv Hou
FB: McClain - Leach --- adv Hou (but close, McClain was great too)

Front 7: Nata, Kelly Gregg, Dwan Edwards, Terrell Suggs, Tavares Gooden, Ray Lewis, Jarret Johnson

vs.

Antonio Smith, Shaun Cody, Amobi Okoye, Mario Williams, Brian Cushing, Demeco Ryans Zach Diles

Umm... you tell me...

CB: Fabian Washington - Robinson(5 games)/Bennett --- adv Bal
CB: Domonique Foxworth - Glover Quinn --- adv Bal
SS: Dawan Landry - Bernart Pollard --- wash
FS: Ed Reed -Eugene Wilson (stop laughing)

The team won a SB with was together for 5 years as a core.

Take Flacco and Schaub out of the equation... at what point did the Texans accrue a similar talent level? Everyone points to Flacco as so much better than Schaub in the playoffs? That is laughable. Prior to last year:

134/247 1532 yards, 8td, 8int 54% comp 6 yds/att and a QB rating of 70.

That leaves you with one of two options. Either Flacco got hot or get got better with age. We are all talking about him as "clutch".... give me a break.

That doesn't mean that Schaub is all world, there are 3 QBs that are all world, no more. Schaub and Flacco are very similar QBs really. To say you can't win a SB with Schaub is ridiculous though. Before you call for his head, how many options do you have for QBs you CAN win a SB with if you can't win with Schaub?

You can "rank QBs" if you want but realistically there are a few groups of QBs. 18, 12 and Rogers. Class of their own. If you don't have one of those three you don't have an "elite" qb. The next group includes everyone from Eli to Romo to Schaub and Flacco. They are all good QBs that have a weakness that has to be hidden or at least not manifest itself. The argument to get rid of Schaub would have to include a way to get an all world QB. Sure, it may happen and maybe Luck or RGIII are that guy but you aren't going to get rid of Schaub and get one that same year. If you want to plan for the future, that's fine but you are better served to build around Schaub (which I think we've done pretty well actually) or you have to give up on the next couple of years while you groom his successor.

The truth is probably closer to "if a guy can get you to the playoffs he CAN win a superbowl" but that doesn't mean he will. People can lambast the coach/qb combination but that someone doesn't win a superbowl doesn't mean they aren't "capable" it means it didn't happen. There are several teams that CAN win a superbowl every year but not every team that CAN win WILL. Some teams that SHOULDN'T win SBs get lucky and do. Some teams that SHOULD win get unlucky and don't (Patriots v. Giants anyone)?

Sure, go out and tell me I'm wrong with some subjective "I know what I'm talking about because I've watched the game". Tell me I'm a "homer" or a "sunshine pumper"... then explain how an objective look at history proves your point and not mine.

Manning "Couldn't win a SB" for years. Hell, he couldn't win a playoff game. Brady came out of nowhere. Marino got to one.. and then? Elway "couldn't win the big one on his own" despite being captain comeback and then Dilfer wins one.

Big Ben won one his second year. Was he a better QB then that at any point since? Analyzing these games and acting as if somehow history proves what is possible and disproves that which hasn't happened yet is stupid. It would be really nice if someone that keeps saying we can't win with this or that... ok... come up with a real plan (some detail please) that gets us to where you think we need to be instead of screaming how "this sucks get rid of Schaub". Oh and by the way, we may not ever win a SB with Schaub. I'm sure that in 5 years you'd love to find me and remind me of that point... but the odds are stacked in your favor every year. If 10 teams are in the upper tier with a possibility to win and Houston stays in that group for the next 5 years then the odds of us winning one in the next 5 years are somewhere around 30%. So sit and complain, fine. Sit and get mad, fine but don't turn around and tell me that you are somehow "objective" when all you are analyzing is a hand full of plays over the last 4 years acting as if you're a) in the huddle or b) know the playcall and can actually diagnose what went wrong.

The "QB/WR/TE" formula recently is not "get a great QB and a great WR" it is "Get a QB that can run your offense and load up with 3-5 targets forcing the defense to pull nickel and dime backs off the bench and play 1/3 - 50% of the snaps. Ever watch a Pats game? Look at the Broncos or the Pack... How do they win? They spread opposition out and get rid of the ball quickly.

Mike

cstyle42
09-23-2013, 07:15 PM
Isolated in a bubble with identical teams? It is probably a coin flip. Save me the "but look at their history".

Before last year Flacco had the same reputation that many attribute to Schaub. The Coaches aren't even close?

It gets so old hearing how Kubiak has been her for sooooo long and done nothing. Harbaugh inherited Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Hiloti Nata, Terrel Sugs, Bart Scott, Willis McGahee, Derick Mason, Jonathan Ogden, Todd Heap and then got to draft Flacco and Rice his first year.

Those players went on to start hundreds of games for either the Ravens or other teams for YEARS.

His team was one season removed from 13-3 and then the year before he got there was 5-11 after McNair went down and Kyle Boller and after staring 4-4 they lost 7 of 8 with Boller.

Kubiak inherited Andre Johnson. No HOF tackles, no HOF LBrs, no HOF safety, no top 20 RB. His RB? Ron Dayne. Johnson and Daniels are the only names even mentionable on the best players at their position on offense. Mario Williams was a top tier player and I'll give you Ryans. That's it.

Now lets look at 2009. Both teams went 9-7.

QB: Joe Flacco - Matt Schaub --- wash
RB: Ray Rice - Slayton --- adv BAL
WR: Mason - Johnson --- adv Hou
WR: Clayton - Walter --- wash
TE: Heap - Daniels --- wash
LT: Gaither - Brown --- adv Bal
LG: Grubs - Studdard --- adv Bal
C: Birk - Meyers --- adv Bal (both Brown and Meyers were terrible in 09)
RG: Chester - White --- adv Bal (seriously, a bloody tampon was more likely to block)
RT: Oher - Winston --- adv Hou
FB: McClain - Leach --- adv Hou (but close, McClain was great too)

Front 7: Nata, Kelly Gregg, Dwan Edwards, Terrell Suggs, Tavares Gooden, Ray Lewis, Jarret Johnson

vs.

Antonio Smith, Shaun Cody, Amobi Okoye, Mario Williams, Brian Cushing, Demeco Ryans Zach Diles

Umm... you tell me...

CB: Fabian Washington - Robinson(5 games)/Bennett --- adv Bal
CB: Domonique Foxworth - Glover Quinn --- adv Bal
SS: Dawan Landry - Bernart Pollard --- wash
FS: Ed Reed -Eugene Wilson (stop laughing)

The team won a SB with was together for 5 years as a core.

Take Flacco and Schaub out of the equation... at what point did the Texans accrue a similar talent level? Everyone points to Flacco as so much better than Schaub in the playoffs? That is laughable. Prior to last year:

134/247 1532 yards, 8td, 8int 54% comp 6 yds/att and a QB rating of 70.

That leaves you with one of two options. Either Flacco got hot or get got better with age. We are all talking about him as "clutch".... give me a break.

That doesn't mean that Schaub is all world, there are 3 QBs that are all world, no more. Schaub and Flacco are very similar QBs really. To say you can't win a SB with Schaub is ridiculous though. Before you call for his head, how many options do you have for QBs you CAN win a SB with if you can't win with Schaub?

You can "rank QBs" if you want but realistically there are a few groups of QBs. 18, 12 and Rogers. Class of their own. If you don't have one of those three you don't have an "elite" qb. The next group includes everyone from Eli to Romo to Schaub and Flacco. They are all good QBs that have a weakness that has to be hidden or at least not manifest itself. The argument to get rid of Schaub would have to include a way to get an all world QB. Sure, it may happen and maybe Luck or RGIII are that guy but you aren't going to get rid of Schaub and get one that same year. If you want to plan for the future, that's fine but you are better served to build around Schaub (which I think we've done pretty well actually) or you have to give up on the next couple of years while you groom his successor.

The truth is probably closer to "if a guy can get you to the playoffs he CAN win a superbowl" but that doesn't mean he will. People can lambast the coach/qb combination but that someone doesn't win a superbowl doesn't mean they aren't "capable" it means it didn't happen. There are several teams that CAN win a superbowl every year but not every team that CAN win WILL. Some teams that SHOULDN'T win SBs get lucky and do. Some teams that SHOULD win get unlucky and don't (Patriots v. Giants anyone)?

Sure, go out and tell me I'm wrong with some subjective "I know what I'm talking about because I've watched the game". Tell me I'm a "homer" or a "sunshine pumper"... then explain how an objective look at history proves your point and not mine.

Manning "Couldn't win a SB" for years. Hell, he couldn't win a playoff game. Brady came out of nowhere. Marino got to one.. and then? Elway "couldn't win the big one on his own" despite being captain comeback and then Dilfer wins one.

Big Ben won one his second year. Was he a better QB then that at any point since? Analyzing these games and acting as if somehow history proves what is possible and disproves that which hasn't happened yet is stupid. It would be really nice if someone that keeps saying we can't win with this or that... ok... come up with a real plan (some detail please) that gets us to where you think we need to be instead of screaming how "this sucks get rid of Schaub". Oh and by the way, we may not ever win a SB with Schaub. I'm sure that in 5 years you'd love to find me and remind me of that point... but the odds are stacked in your favor every year. If 10 teams are in the upper tier with a possibility to win and Houston stays in that group for the next 5 years then the odds of us winning one in the next 5 years are somewhere around 30%. So sit and complain, fine. Sit and get mad, fine but don't turn around and tell me that you are somehow "objective" when all you are analyzing is a hand full of plays over the last 4 years acting as if you're a) in the huddle or b) know the playcall and can actually diagnose what went wrong.

The "QB/WR/TE" formula recently is not "get a great QB and a great WR" it is "Get a QB that can run your offense and load up with 3-5 targets forcing the defense to pull nickel and dime backs off the bench and play 1/3 - 50% of the snaps. Ever watch a Pats game? Look at the Broncos or the Pack... How do they win? They spread opposition out and get rid of the ball quickly.

Mike

That's a lot of explaining but I feel ya. To me I believe playing under Harbaugh is easier then playing under Kubiak. Kubiak way to success is like riding a horse when all the other coaches that coach contending teams are driving sports cars. Schaub is the horse the other qbs are sport cars. Harbaugh has a gps and kubiak is looking at stars in the sky while having no understanding of astrology or evening knowing a gps exist.

Seegara
09-23-2013, 09:27 PM
...

Simply put, we didn't make plays. We've had a lot of bad football in Houston, a lot. I recognize it when I see it. Usually discussions about an inherently bad team are about growing in the future. That's not the case here. We're disappointed because this team is under performing.

...
Mike
We got our tails stomped Sunday, there's no other way to put it. The Crows don't have more talent than the Texans, but they do have a coach. The score was a fair measure of the difference between SB champs and the Texans. The Texans don't deserve SB status any more than a draft dodger deserves a medal of honor.

thunderkyss
09-23-2013, 09:39 PM
We got our tails stomped Sunday, there's no other way to put it. The Crows don't have more talent than the Texans, but they do have a coach. The score was a fair measure of the difference between SB champs and the Texans. The Texans don't deserve SB status any more than a draft dodger deserves a medal of honor.

When the Crows came to Reliant last year, we put a real a55 whup'n on them. We didn't let them think they could move the ball. We abused their QB. We tucked their tails between their legs then gave them a wedgie.

If they win their division, they'll come to Reliant & we'll show them more of the same.

Tailgate
09-23-2013, 09:47 PM
I swear, it feels like nobody around here has watched an nfl season before.

SchaubApologist
09-23-2013, 09:48 PM
When the Crows came to Reliant last year, we put a real a55 whup'n on them. We didn't let them think they could move the ball. We abused their QB. We tucked their tails between their legs then gave them a wedgie.

If they win their division, they'll come to Reliant & we'll show them more of the same.

Our 3rd consecutive AFC South title is no sure thing.

SchaubApologist
09-23-2013, 09:49 PM
I swear, it feels like nobody around here has watched an nfl season before.

What we did watch was a team who melted down badly over the stretch run last season, and it clearly has carried over into this year.

HJam72
09-23-2013, 10:42 PM
Isolated in a bubble with identical teams? It is probably a coin flip. Save me the "but look at their history".

Before last year Flacco had the same reputation that many attribute to Schaub. The Coaches aren't even close?

It gets so old hearing how Kubiak has been her for sooooo long and done nothing. Harbaugh inherited Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Hiloti Nata, Terrel Sugs, Bart Scott, Willis McGahee, Derick Mason, Jonathan Ogden, Todd Heap and then got to draft Flacco and Rice his first year.

Those players went on to start hundreds of games for either the Ravens or other teams for YEARS.

His team was one season removed from 13-3 and then the year before he got there was 5-11 after McNair went down and Kyle Boller and after staring 4-4 they lost 7 of 8 with Boller.

Kubiak inherited Andre Johnson. No HOF tackles, no HOF LBrs, no HOF safety, no top 20 RB. His RB? Ron Dayne. Johnson and Daniels are the only names even mentionable on the best players at their position on offense. Mario Williams was a top tier player and I'll give you Ryans. That's it.

Now lets look at 2009. Both teams went 9-7.

QB: Joe Flacco - Matt Schaub --- wash
RB: Ray Rice - Slayton --- adv BAL
WR: Mason - Johnson --- adv Hou
WR: Clayton - Walter --- wash
TE: Heap - Daniels --- wash
LT: Gaither - Brown --- adv Bal
LG: Grubs - Studdard --- adv Bal
C: Birk - Meyers --- adv Bal (both Brown and Meyers were terrible in 09)
RG: Chester - White --- adv Bal (seriously, a bloody tampon was more likely to block)
RT: Oher - Winston --- adv Hou
FB: McClain - Leach --- adv Hou (but close, McClain was great too)

Front 7: Nata, Kelly Gregg, Dwan Edwards, Terrell Suggs, Tavares Gooden, Ray Lewis, Jarret Johnson

vs.

Antonio Smith, Shaun Cody, Amobi Okoye, Mario Williams, Brian Cushing, Demeco Ryans Zach Diles

Umm... you tell me...

CB: Fabian Washington - Robinson(5 games)/Bennett --- adv Bal
CB: Domonique Foxworth - Glover Quinn --- adv Bal
SS: Dawan Landry - Bernart Pollard --- wash
FS: Ed Reed -Eugene Wilson (stop laughing)

The team won a SB with was together for 5 years as a core.

Take Flacco and Schaub out of the equation... at what point did the Texans accrue a similar talent level? Everyone points to Flacco as so much better than Schaub in the playoffs? That is laughable. Prior to last year:

134/247 1532 yards, 8td, 8int 54% comp 6 yds/att and a QB rating of 70.

That leaves you with one of two options. Either Flacco got hot or get got better with age. We are all talking about him as "clutch".... give me a break.

That doesn't mean that Schaub is all world, there are 3 QBs that are all world, no more. Schaub and Flacco are very similar QBs really. To say you can't win a SB with Schaub is ridiculous though. Before you call for his head, how many options do you have for QBs you CAN win a SB with if you can't win with Schaub?

You can "rank QBs" if you want but realistically there are a few groups of QBs. 18, 12 and Rogers. Class of their own. If you don't have one of those three you don't have an "elite" qb. The next group includes everyone from Eli to Romo to Schaub and Flacco. They are all good QBs that have a weakness that has to be hidden or at least not manifest itself. The argument to get rid of Schaub would have to include a way to get an all world QB. Sure, it may happen and maybe Luck or RGIII are that guy but you aren't going to get rid of Schaub and get one that same year. If you want to plan for the future, that's fine but you are better served to build around Schaub (which I think we've done pretty well actually) or you have to give up on the next couple of years while you groom his successor.

The truth is probably closer to "if a guy can get you to the playoffs he CAN win a superbowl" but that doesn't mean he will. People can lambast the coach/qb combination but that someone doesn't win a superbowl doesn't mean they aren't "capable" it means it didn't happen. There are several teams that CAN win a superbowl every year but not every team that CAN win WILL. Some teams that SHOULDN'T win SBs get lucky and do. Some teams that SHOULD win get unlucky and don't (Patriots v. Giants anyone)?

Sure, go out and tell me I'm wrong with some subjective "I know what I'm talking about because I've watched the game". Tell me I'm a "homer" or a "sunshine pumper"... then explain how an objective look at history proves your point and not mine.

Manning "Couldn't win a SB" for years. Hell, he couldn't win a playoff game. Brady came out of nowhere. Marino got to one.. and then? Elway "couldn't win the big one on his own" despite being captain comeback and then Dilfer wins one.

Big Ben won one his second year. Was he a better QB then that at any point since? Analyzing these games and acting as if somehow history proves what is possible and disproves that which hasn't happened yet is stupid. It would be really nice if someone that keeps saying we can't win with this or that... ok... come up with a real plan (some detail please) that gets us to where you think we need to be instead of screaming how "this sucks get rid of Schaub". Oh and by the way, we may not ever win a SB with Schaub. I'm sure that in 5 years you'd love to find me and remind me of that point... but the odds are stacked in your favor every year. If 10 teams are in the upper tier with a possibility to win and Houston stays in that group for the next 5 years then the odds of us winning one in the next 5 years are somewhere around 30%. So sit and complain, fine. Sit and get mad, fine but don't turn around and tell me that you are somehow "objective" when all you are analyzing is a hand full of plays over the last 4 years acting as if you're a) in the huddle or b) know the playcall and can actually diagnose what went wrong.

The "QB/WR/TE" formula recently is not "get a great QB and a great WR" it is "Get a QB that can run your offense and load up with 3-5 targets forcing the defense to pull nickel and dime backs off the bench and play 1/3 - 50% of the snaps. Ever watch a Pats game? Look at the Broncos or the Pack... How do they win? They spread opposition out and get rid of the ball quickly.

Mike

What a long and insightful post. I'm sure we will all study it and learn some things before responding.

So you think Trent Dilfer was an elite QB? :jk:

chicagotexan2
09-23-2013, 11:31 PM
At this point I'm not so confident the texans are a lock for the afc south title over the colts. Unless this team gets its collective head out of its Ashe I dont see any kind of serious post season success. I know there is a lot of football to be played but the first three weeks have been exciting yet eye opening. If there is a switch it needs to be flipped but it looks like the lights are not coming on.

Bulls on Parade
09-23-2013, 11:48 PM
I wouldn't panic just yet. I think the team will play hard against the Seahawks and pick up a nice home win. Things will look a lot better next week with a 3-1 record. Just a matter of getting it done. Every player on the Texans roster can look themselves in the mirror and realize they can play better football. There really isn't anything more to say. I'm really excited for Sunday's game.

SchaubApologist
09-24-2013, 12:51 AM
I do believe that we are seeing lingering effects of his Lisfranc. As I've tried so many times before to explain, this is not the type of injury that you necessarily would expect re-injury. It is an injury that many times manifests itself as a slowly progressive course of tenderness and aching, not atypically including a degenerative arthritis component. Rest tends to help temporarily, but as soon as repeated stresses are placed on the foot again, the negative effects on performance tend to return and continue, much like an elbow tendonitis problem in a tennis player. Unfortunately, unlike the knee which can be better supported and stabilized by strengthening the large hamstring and quad muscles, there are virtually no muscles of significant size in the foot that can be strengthened enough to effictively improve the support and stability of the Lisfranc joint that must carry the burden of a moving 6'5" 240 pound person.

I assume rick smith didn't get the message as he inked schaub to a contract extension :/

Dread-Head
09-24-2013, 11:49 AM
:vincepalm:

Nobody blamed OD for the throw. I blamed OD for giving up on the play. Schaub made a poor throw. OD gave up on the play. The first is part of the game, the latter is unforgivable. The throw was in front of OD and he didn't make the play because he turned his back to absorb the hit.

The problem with Houston fans is that they don't actually analyze the play. The problem with "haters" is that they won't accept failure assigned to anyone but whoever their scapegoat is. Go watch the play and stop regurgitating the ignorant view that Schaub is responsible for the pick-six. Schaub threw a pick. It was six because the TE gave up on the play.

Mike

Hold on. As a hater I can assure you that we hate all people and things equally.

Rey
09-24-2013, 11:54 AM
Yep, it's everyone else's fault except the non-playmaking qb that throws pick sixes.

Seegara
09-24-2013, 12:43 PM
I do believe that we are seeing lingering effects of his Lisfranc. As I've tried so many times before to explain, this is not the type of injury that you necessarily would expect re-injury. It is an injury that many times manifests itself as a slowly progressive course of tenderness and aching, not atypically including a degenerative arthritis component. Rest tends to help temporarily, but as soon as repeated stresses are placed on the foot again, the negative effects on performance tend to return and continue, much like an elbow tendonitis problem in a tennis player. Unfortunately, unlike the knee which can be better supported and stabilized by strengthening the large hamstring and quad muscles, there are virtually no muscles of significant size in the foot that can be strengthened enough to effictively improve the support and stability of the Lisfranc joint that must carry the burden of a moving 6'5" 240 pound person.
Maybe my own injury is similar. A dog bit me in May on top of the 1st knuckle, forefinger. After a bad infection and 2 months of physical therapy, the finger seems to be getting stiffer. All 3 of its joints are inflamed and it doesn't want to straighten.

ObsiWan
09-24-2013, 01:07 PM
Ed says calm down.

Okay Ed... this is me calming down
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Now go kick some @$$ d@mmit!!