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DocBar
09-15-2013, 08:12 PM
LINK (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/09/rookie-star-deandre-hopkins-i-can-be-better-than-andre-johnson/)
Pretty damned ballsy from a rookie with 2 career games under his belt. He has produced on the field but is a long way from replacing AJ.
AJ is one good AJ season from jumping about 8-9 spots on the all time receiving yards list. DHop has about 1% of AJ's career yards.

I like confidence, but this smacks of disrespect to the biggest influence he'll probably have in his career. I'm not a big fan of this comment by DHop.

HJam72
09-15-2013, 08:15 PM
I'm not a fan of it either, but I don't think he meant anything disrespectful by it. AJ apparently told him not to put himself in his shadow & to try to be even better & that he COULD be even better someday. Hopkins just isn't quite clever or experienced enough to know he shouldn't say that to the media, even if AJ has no problem with it.

eriadoc
09-15-2013, 08:18 PM
Aim high, young man.

Dishman
09-15-2013, 08:18 PM
On Sunday, Hopkins said he can better than Andre Johnson.

“That’s my mindset and that’s what Andre’s telling me: ‘Don’t try to shadow yourself when you know you can be better,’ ” Hopkins said.

Sounds harmless and seems like a good mindset to have.

DocBar
09-15-2013, 08:24 PM
Sounds harmless and seems like a good mindset to have.That's one of those "you can think about it but don't say it" things to me. If you want to be better than AJ, go out on the field and do it, don't talk to the media about it. Especially when AJ is in the trainer's room during your shining moment.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if DHop becomes better than AJ. AJ is a few very good years from having HOF stats. I also agree that he should aim high. Just be more respectful about it.

ATXtexanfan
09-15-2013, 08:27 PM
Sounds harmless and seems like a good mindset to have.

This, and dude has a.very long.way to go

Naiirb
09-15-2013, 08:28 PM
Don't see the big deal about this comment. Hopkins even says that's what Andre tells him

Playoffs
09-15-2013, 08:31 PM
Sounds harmless and seems like a good mindset to have.

Yep, he's just parroting what AJ tells him.

But he should aim high. Aim for Megatron.

JJ Watt says wants to be the best ever. So does DeAndre.

He's a 1st round pick -- he better expect to be great.

dream_team
09-15-2013, 08:31 PM
What was the full statement he said? Lets not take anything out of context.

TexansBull
09-15-2013, 08:37 PM
Do y'all remember that one guy that came in here from NC I think and said he was going to be better than AJ and was out before training camp started?

Either way, when we win a Superbowl AJ will be seen as great as a sports figure as Hakeem was to this city. He is truly admirable to stick with this franchise after the Capers-Casserly-Carr fiasco. Any other receiver would have left years ago.

Hopkins will never be able to match that. He won't go through building a team. Do that then get back to me. AJ left some good years and stats by doing so.

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Hervoyel
09-15-2013, 08:37 PM
I don't think any disrespect was meant by it. He's got goals and he's set them high where his teammate and mentor told him to set them.

Beats the hell out of that UDFA (whose name I can't even remember) who quit in camp and was talking about being the next Andre Johnson. At least Hopkins has the ability to mindset play his way into the conversation


-great minds

busterspencer
09-15-2013, 08:42 PM
I don't think any disrespect was meant by it. He's got goals and he's set them high where his teammate and mentor told him to set them.

Beats the hell out of that UDFA (whose name I can't even remember) who quit in camp and was talking about being the next Andre Johnson. At least Hopkins has the ability to mindset play his way into the conversation


-great minds

I do not care what he says, good or bad... JUST KEEP PLAYING GOOD FOOTBALL...JUST HELP US WIN!!!!!

Marcus
09-15-2013, 08:45 PM
What was the full statement he said? Lets not take anything out of context.

Aw c'mon man! It wouldn't be any fun around here if we weren't allowed to take things out of context. ;)

ArlingtonTexan
09-15-2013, 08:50 PM
http://www.nfl.com/player/andrejohnson/2505551/gamelogs?season=2003

He does have slightly better stats than AJ after two games. :bravo:

Playoffs
09-15-2013, 08:56 PM
“He just stepped up,” second-year receiver Keshawn Martin said. “He just made big catch after big catch. He just has incredible talent and I’m excited. I’m excited for the rest of this season.”
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“I’m speechless, dude,” tight end Owen Daniels said. “For him to make those plays at that point in the game, just throw it up…”
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“Hop played huge in the back end of the game,” head coach Gary Kubiak said. “He made some big plays. That’s what he’s here for. We survived today because of some great heroics and some plays by him. Trusting him, putting up some balls, putting up some jump balls and trusting him.”
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“He’s maturing in a hurry,” said Daniels, who was the last Texan aside from Johnson with a 100-yard receiving game. “You don’t expect that confidence and maturity out of a guy as young as he is, with as little experience as he has. It’s Week 2 in his first year in the league, but he’s a really confident guy. He knows that if the ball’s in the air, that he’s gonna go and snatch that thing. He did it all day today. He’s done it since I’ve seen him here, since he’s been in town.”http://www.csnhouston.com/football-houston-texans/talk/rookie-hopkins-shines-texans%E2%80%99-win

“It was a great ball by (QB) Matt (Schaub),” Hopkins said of his game-winning catch. “He put it in the perfect position for me to go up and catch it. We practice that basically every day, the wide receivers. And practice makes perfect.”

“Anytime I see one-on-one, that’ s wide receiver’s dream,” Hopkins said.

“I probably had about 16 people come from South Carolina,” Hopkins said. “There was probably 10 of them who it was their first time flying.”

...Hopkins strives to be even more prolific than the 11-year veteran.

“I feel like I can be better than Andre,” Hopkins said. “That’s my mindset. And that’s what Andre tells me. (He says) Don’t try to shadow yourself when you know you can be better.”http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/DeAndre-Hopkins-makes-game-winning-TD-catch-in-30-24-OT-win/d16a8f0e-7706-4329-b901-ff6050e60474

dream_team
09-15-2013, 09:19 PM
Aw c'mon man! It wouldn't be any fun around here if we weren't allowed to take things out of context. ;)

That's true ... message boards are all about taking things out of context.

fiasco west
09-15-2013, 09:26 PM
Do y'all remember that one guy that came in here from NC I think and said he was going to be better than AJ and was out before training camp started?

Either way, when we win a Superbowl AJ will be seen as great as a sports figure as Hakeem was to this city. He is truly admirable to stick with this franchise after the Capers-Casserly-Carr fiasco. Any other receiver would have left years ago.

Hopkins will never be able to match that. He won't go through building a team. Do that then get back to me. AJ left some good years and stats by doing so.

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Well, I agree it will be tough to match what Andre or Hakeem has done...but if say Harden-Dwight combo won 4 championships?? I'd put them over Hakeem, that's just me.

So if Hopkins 10 years from now is passing Andre on the all-time list and thanks to him we have a couple of superbowls...then yeah, he'd pass Andre for me.

Doesn't mean I'd forget Andre or not respect what he's done. My hopes is that Hopkins DOES surpass Andre. I'm a fan of the team first so I hope he IS better than Andre because that thought is crazy.

With that said, he has some time to go. He also doesn't have the physical tools Andre does, doesn't mean he can't be great though. Right now he's had one good game so I'm not sure how I feel about this one. I'm glad he has confidence and I hope he works towards that goal instead of just saying it to say it.

CloakNNNdagger
09-15-2013, 09:29 PM
I'm sure he meant no disrespect, but he could have probably waited a little longer to say it publicly. Sort of like the Letterman jacket fiasco........should have waited to try to make a statement AFTER establishing a meaningful accomplishment..........didn't make anyone look good.

Rey
09-15-2013, 09:34 PM
This is a comment I'd have read and thought nothing of.

thunderkyss
09-15-2013, 09:37 PM
Aim for the stars... hit the moon.



either way, we win.

PapaL
09-15-2013, 09:38 PM
SMH...what's he suppose to say? I want to be better than LeStar Jean? AJ told him this. I for one am happy. They should all aim to be the best of the best.

Honestly, right now we have most of the All Time best Texans on this roster. You'd probably sprinkle in a few players but these are the best this franchise has had. Aim higher.

CloakNNNdagger
09-15-2013, 09:41 PM
This is a comment I'd have read and thought nothing of.

Signed Dwight Jones:)

SAMURAITEXAN
09-15-2013, 09:44 PM
That's one of those "you can think about it but don't say it" things to me. If you want to be better than AJ, go out on the field and do it, don't talk to the media about it. Especially when AJ is in the trainer's room during your shining moment.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if DHop becomes better than AJ. AJ is a few very good years from having HOF stats. I also agree that he should aim high. Just be more respectful about it.

If anything, I think DHop try to compliment AJ with his comment for letting him have a strong mindset to be the best that you can be. (The sky is the limit thing)

drs23
09-15-2013, 09:47 PM
Nuk wasn't dissin' AJ one little bit. He was parroting what AJ told him and us through the media. Andre has bragged on this youngster since day one. If anything the young Nuk just needs to learn to be a little more media savy. That's all.

fiasco west
09-15-2013, 09:50 PM
Signed Dwight Jones:)

Wow, I completely forgot about that guy...

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
09-15-2013, 10:02 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aTTY3v3Gu-8/TGHjZaCyVlI/AAAAAAAAA0k/pbuWiL3Kk6E/s1600/making+a+mountain+out+of+a+molehill.jpg

Pantherstang84
09-15-2013, 10:33 PM
Nuk wasn't dissin' AJ one little bit. He was parroting what AJ told him and us through the media. Andre has bragged on this youngster since day one. If anything the young Nuk just needs to learn to be a little more media savy. That's all.

I'm giving the kid a pass. We all know how the media likes to take things out of context and try to spin something up. My grandfather use to have a saying, "If you don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. You'll start to see the truth."

DocBar
09-15-2013, 10:37 PM
If anything, I think DHop try to compliment AJ with his comment for letting him have a strong mindset to be the best that you can be. (The sky is the limit thing)That may well be, but I would've preferred that sentiment to be kept private. Just way too strong of a statement from a rookie.

Wolf6151
09-15-2013, 10:39 PM
This is just the press trying to create news instead of just reporting it by taking a quote out of context and trying to create controversy.

beerlover
09-15-2013, 10:48 PM
Hop is a mini Julio, both awesome talents @ same time would bow respectively to Roddy White or Andre Johnson. Good problem to have & it's about damn time.

Seegara
09-15-2013, 10:50 PM
Oh no. I thought Hopkins was going to be a valuable addition, but getting the big head this early in his career is a disaster. It means he's getting set up to blow a game.

Hope AJ won't miss time from a concussion. We can't do without him at this point.

DocBar
09-15-2013, 10:53 PM
Oh no. I thought Hopkins was going to be a valuable addition, but getting the big head this early in his career is a disaster. It means he's getting set up to blow a game. You mean he's going to contract Bullock's Disease???? OH NO!!!!!!

Carr Bombed
09-15-2013, 10:56 PM
So from reading from the link posted... this is all the actual quotes I got from Hopkins.

“That’s my mindset and that’s what Andre’s telling me, ‘Don’t try to shadow yourself when you know you can be better,”

“Once you’re lined up on the other side of Andre, it’s business,”



Where in the hell did Hopkins ever say "I can be better than Andre Johnson"? :kubepalm:

More craptastic reporting from our local media.. Hopefully this thread doesn't get overblown like the firestorm that Nick "Gonzo" Wright started last week.

Playoffs
09-15-2013, 11:19 PM
Where in the hell did Hopkins ever say "I can be better than Andre Johnson"?

See post #15 (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2210521#post2210521)

qman_tx
09-15-2013, 11:38 PM
LOL what happened to Dwight Jones?

DocBar
09-15-2013, 11:51 PM
LOL what happened to Dwight Jones?

Who?

EVOLVIST
09-15-2013, 11:54 PM
LINK (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/09/rookie-star-deandre-hopkins-i-can-be-better-than-andre-johnson/)I'm not a big fan of this comment by DHop.

I'm sure DHop wouldn't be a big fan of the comment you made in the gameday thread, i.e. "Game over," after Schaub's Pick 6. Pg. 36.

Don't mean to dis, but I had to point it out...

All's fair, huh? ;)

DocBar
09-15-2013, 11:59 PM
I'm sure DHop wouldn't be a big fan of the comment you made in the gameday thread, i.e. "Game over," after Schaub's Pick 6. Pg. 36.

Don't mean to dis, but I had to point it out...

All's fair, huh? ;) And?

Marcus
09-16-2013, 01:04 AM
And?

You should put your big girl panties on and actually read the link you posted. He didn't disrespect AJ or anyone else.

Hookem Horns
09-16-2013, 01:08 AM
Well he is going to have the advantage of not having David Carr as his QB for the few seasons of his career.

htownfan32
09-16-2013, 01:11 AM
Well he is going to have the advantage of not having David Carr as his QB for the few seasons of his career.

LOL! Even Schaub haters should agree on this.

The Third Man
09-16-2013, 01:22 AM
People overreacting to quotes taken out of context? That never happens!

infantrycak
09-16-2013, 01:37 AM
Well he is going to have the advantage of not having David Carr as his QB for the few seasons of his career.

LOL! Even Schaub haters should agree on this.

Andre Johnson yards per game:

Carr - 64.3
Schaub - 96.7 - that pace would put AJ in 1st place by 12 yds over Megatron.

At Schaub/AJ pace AJ would now have 13345 yds which would be 12th on the career list with a season and a half to make 2nd.

ObsiWan
09-16-2013, 02:16 AM
That's true ... today's sports media is all about taking things out of context and trying to fabricate a story where none really exists.
fixed it for ya
:D

gcates
09-16-2013, 02:45 AM
This is no different than AJ saying he would be better than Jerry Rice at the beginning of his second season...well a little different since they are playing together...but still, nothing wrong with having high expectations.

Vinny
09-16-2013, 08:00 AM
Physically, Hopkins kinda reminds me of Chad Johnson minus the personality. He'll never be able to beast guys off the jam like AJ...he doesn't have (Andre) Johnson's suddenness, strength or build. He may be better at plucking the ball out of the air but to me he will have to play in the mold of Reggie Wayne or Chad Johnson if he is going to have a career that will eventually compare to AJ long haul. Right now I don't see him having more raw upside than AJ did when he was a rookie. He's closer to a finished product than Andre was at the same point in their respective careers though.

ChampionTexan
09-16-2013, 09:33 AM
Physically, Hopkins kinda reminds me of Chad Johnson minus the personality. He'll never be able to beast guys off the jam like AJ...he doesn't have (Andre) Johnson's suddenness, strength or build. He may be better at plucking the ball out of the air but to me he will have to play in the mold of Reggie Wayne or Chad Johnson if he is going to have a career that will eventually compare to AJ long haul. Right now I don't see him having more raw upside than AJ did when he was a rookie. He's closer to a finished product than Andre was at the same point in their respective careers though.

Granted, Hopkins looks pretty lean, but if the height and weight reported (6'1 218 pounds) is anywhere near correct, he outweighs Chad Johnson by anywhere from 25-30 pounds even though he's the same height.

Given the success he's had in going after jump balls, I think there's a little more to Mr. Hopkins size and strength than some here are giving him credit for.

HOU-TEX
09-16-2013, 10:15 AM
I actually got pumped after reading a tweet with his quotes yesterday. Having AJ as a mentor is making this cat a good one. Going by what I've seen so far with the big catches and hands that wrap around the football, he might be close to unstoppable once he gains the experience.

thunderkyss
09-16-2013, 10:27 AM
I actually got pumped after reading a tweet with his quotes yesterday. Having AJ as a mentor is making this cat a good one. Going by what I've seen so far with the big catches and hands that wrap around the football, he might be close to unstoppable once he gains the experience.

Just to throw a damper on things... the jump ball to Andre & jump ball to Hop to get to the 2 yard line...

poor, poor ball placement. A good corner back (Richard Sherman) will take those every time. Andre & Hop had to reach over the CB, to the inside & snag those balls.

The ball needs to be either directly over the heads of the receiver/DB (like that bomb Yates threw to DeAndre in the Preseason), or slightly (slightly) behind like the Hopkins TD. If he's going to put it more on a line, where the receiver doesn't have to jump, it needs to be further behind... a back shoulder throw.

But those two... Schaub needs to work on those. Especially since we're going to be playing Sherman two weeks from now.

Playoffs
09-16-2013, 10:38 AM
DeAndre Hopkins Helps Houston Texans Escape With Win vs. Tennessee Titans (http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/09/15/deandre-hopkins-helps-houston-texans-escape-with-win-vs-tennessee-titans/)
I said it before the draft and I still am sticking by it – DeAndre Hopkins will be the best wide receiver in this draft class. Of course, after the show he put on in the 4th quarter for the Houston Texans in their second consecutive come from behind victory, it doesn’t sound like such a wild boast.

It was debated wildly, but when most accused him of running a route incorrectly with the Texans trailing by a point led to a poor Matt Schaub throw that resulted in a pick six, many fans were piling on both Hopkins and Schaub. Regardless of who it was on, Schaub didn’t shy away from him down the stretch. With the blitz working so effectively and no one besides Andre Johnson doing much in the receiving game, the Titans challenged Hopkins to be the one who beat them. After a partial quarter and a single possession in overtime, it’s now clear that the challenge was accepted by the Houston rookie.

I predicted earlier this week (http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/09/11/houston-texans-5-players-who-will-shine-in-week-2/) that this would be Hopkins’ breakout game for the Texans and that he would pick up his first career touchdown (http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/09/15/houston-texans-week-2-predictions/). Even in my greatest imaginative efforts I couldn’t have predicted that it would be a game-ending touchdown reception though...

thunderkyss
09-16-2013, 10:42 AM
DeAndre Hopkins Helps Houston Texans Escape With Win vs. Tennessee Titans (http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/09/15/deandre-hopkins-helps-houston-texans-escape-with-win-vs-tennessee-titans/)

Just saying, Tavon Austin had 2 TDs yesterday.

That said, the 610 guys just said he's on pace for 94 catches & 1400 yards. 14.8 avg <---- I'm good with that regardless what his total catches & yards turn out to be.

Stretching the field like that will help us more than anything else

Texecutioner
09-16-2013, 10:57 AM
It is looking like Rick Smith has hit nicely on another first round pick. I liked Hopkins in the first game and I'm really liking what I'm seeing now. It looks like that big time grab he had in the first pre season game what just a small sample of what was yet to come. So stoked that we have our #2 WR on the side of AJ now.

cstyle42
09-16-2013, 11:14 AM
To be upset or not like this comment is just plain idiotic to me. He is simply implying that he is preparing and planning to be better than Andre Johnson versus preparing and planning to be another Andre Johnson. This is the best mindset to have in my opinion. He needs to be the best Deandre Hopkins he can possibly be and if that ends up being better than Andre Johnson then great you reached to the highest potential of your goals.

Vinny
09-16-2013, 11:32 AM
Physically, Hopkins kinda reminds me of Chad Johnson minus the personality. He'll never be able to beast guys off the jam like AJ...he doesn't have (Andre) Johnson's suddenness, strength or build. He may be better at plucking the ball out of the air but to me he will have to play in the mold of Reggie Wayne or Chad Johnson if he is going to have a career that will eventually compare to AJ long haul. Right now I don't see him having more raw upside than AJ did when he was a rookie. He's closer to a finished product than Andre was at the same point in their respective careers though.

Granted, Hopkins looks pretty lean, but if the height and weight reported (6'1 218 pounds) is anywhere near correct, he outweighs Chad Johnson by anywhere from 25-30 pounds even though he's the same height.

Given the success he's had in going after jump balls, I think there's a little more to Mr. Hopkins size and strength than some here are giving him credit for. He carries his weight well because he looks rail thin at times. He has a deceptive body type. I keep thinking of Steve Harris (old Rocket) when I see him. I know Harris was taller and much, much thinner than Hopkins but they both have this angular leanness to their body types. He certainly looks like he is plenty big and strong enough up close, no doubt about that. I know you aren't accusing me of this, but to be clear I'm not knocking him. He's as-advertised so far..."NFL ready".

infantrycak
09-16-2013, 12:21 PM
Just saying, Tavon Austin had 2 TDs yesterday.


Same number of targets, 95 less yards, 5 less 1st downs, 1 more TD - just saying.

Double Barrel
09-16-2013, 12:25 PM
Love the attitude from the rookie and that he's backing up his words with great plays on the field. I have no problem with his perspective, and I have no doubt nobody on the Texans has a problem with it.

If his team is not upset, then fans need to put it in proper perspective and not make mountains out of molehills.

Thorn
09-16-2013, 12:30 PM
We should trade that no good Hopkins for Tebow.

Hervoyel
09-16-2013, 01:23 PM
I actually got pumped after reading a tweet with his quotes yesterday. Having AJ as a mentor is making this cat a good one. Going by what I've seen so far with the big catches and hands that wrap around the football, he might be close to unstoppable once he gains the experience.


Yeah. That's something we've seen across the board but it's really standing out at the positions where we have great established players like AJ. When he got here all he had for a mentor was Corey Bradford & Jabar Gaffney.

AJ was thankfully a self-starter but as nice a couple of guys as Bradford and Gaffney were I doubt they taught AJ anything more than the layout of the facility in training camp. Hopkins has it made in the mentor department. Andre Johnson is pretty much the standard for outstanding WR's in this league.

The1ApplePie
09-16-2013, 01:35 PM
Physically, Hopkins kinda reminds me of Chad Johnson minus the personality. He'll never be able to beast guys off the jam like AJ...he doesn't have (Andre) Johnson's suddenness, strength or build. He may be better at plucking the ball out of the air but to me he will have to play in the mold of Reggie Wayne or Chad Johnson if he is going to have a career that will eventually compare to AJ long haul. Right now I don't see him having more raw upside than AJ did when he was a rookie. He's closer to a finished product than Andre was at the same point in their respective careers though.

Ocho is a very good comparison, especially when it comes to skillset and their role on the field.

He may not have the physical ceiling of Megatron or Dez Bryant, but he will take over many a game. He is also in a good place to follow Reggie Wayne, going from the best No. 2 WR to a top-flight No. 1 when the experienced beast finally hangs it up.

thunderkyss
09-16-2013, 02:33 PM
I can't wait till Posey is ready to contribute.

281
09-16-2013, 03:03 PM
I can't wait till Posey is ready to contribute.

This.

...and I feel that Hopkins reminds me a little bit of Larry Fitzgerald more than anybody else.

RCPM
09-16-2013, 03:07 PM
LINK (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/09/rookie-star-deandre-hopkins-i-can-be-better-than-andre-johnson/)
Pretty damned ballsy from a rookie with 2 career games under his belt. He has produced on the field but is a long way from replacing AJ.
AJ is one good AJ season from jumping about 8-9 spots on the all time receiving yards list. DHop has about 1% of AJ's career yards.

I like confidence, but this smacks of disrespect to the biggest influence he'll probably have in his career. I'm not a big fan of this comment by DHop.

Really? smh........

Dread-Head
09-16-2013, 03:42 PM
Prove it kid. Prove it into the playoffs and prove it in a Superbowl. I want to see Hopkins and Johnson trying to see who's the better receiver moments before they both are wearing "World Champions" hats, drinking champagne and passing this :trophy: back and forth.

Texans_Chick
09-16-2013, 06:40 PM
Physically, Hopkins kinda reminds me of Chad Johnson minus the personality. He'll never be able to beast guys off the jam like AJ...he doesn't have (Andre) Johnson's suddenness, strength or build. He may be better at plucking the ball out of the air but to me he will have to play in the mold of Reggie Wayne or Chad Johnson if he is going to have a career that will eventually compare to AJ long haul. Right now I don't see him having more raw upside than AJ did when he was a rookie. He's closer to a finished product than Andre was at the same point in their respective careers though.

Nah, he doesn't remind me of Chad at all. Much more physical.

He's not a AJ kind of athlete, so that comparison is whack. But he could be very productive in an offense that rewards catches by sending more targets that way.

And those hands are ridiculously good. Huge. Love watching him attack the ball.

As for the subject of this post, it is in the context of Andre Johnson telling him that he could be better than him, more aspirational. Nothing to see here, move along. /Barbrady'd

HOU-TEX
09-17-2013, 03:23 PM
LOL what happened to Dwight Jones?

Funny you ask

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 12m
Cowboys also worked out corners Ryan Steed, Junior Mertile, Peyton Thompson; wide receiver Dwight Jones.

cstyle42
09-17-2013, 05:15 PM
At the end of the day I hope Jordan is to Kobe as Andre is to Deandre.

HJam72
09-17-2013, 09:01 PM
I'm sure he's better than AJ at something, like making grilled-cheese sandwiches or whatever.

Playoffs
12-21-2014, 06:58 PM
Evan Koch @EvanKoch22
Per @EliasSports: Houston Texans WR DeAndre Hopkins is 2nd youngest WR in NFL history to reach 2,000 yards receiving - 22 years, 198 days. Larry Fitzgerald was 22 years, 109 days.

PapaL
12-21-2014, 07:05 PM
Nuk has played w worse QBs than AJ too.

JB
12-21-2014, 07:08 PM
Nuk has played w worse QBs than AJ too.

questionable than any of them were worse than 5 years of HWSNBN

PapaL
12-21-2014, 07:10 PM
questionable than any of them were worse than 5 years of HWSNBN


If I wasn't so lazy I'd look up last years QB fiasco and compare it to AJ's first year w Mittens. Don't forget, Schaub lead the league in passing and wasn't the scrub he is now.

JB
12-21-2014, 07:15 PM
If I wasn't so lazy I'd look up last years QB fiasco and compare it to AJ's first year w Mittens. Don't forget, Schaub lead the league in passing and wasn't the scrub he is now.

Schaub was very good before last year. Hops has had bad qb play but it's been for a short time. Even early last year Schaub wasn't terrible except for the pick 6's

eriadoc
12-23-2014, 08:38 AM
If I wasn't so lazy I'd look up last years QB fiasco and compare it to AJ's first year w Mittens. Don't forget, Schaub lead the league in passing and wasn't the scrub he is now.

Carr wasn't a complete train wreck until a little over halfway through the '04 season, FWIW.

infantrycak
12-23-2014, 09:03 AM
AJ went from 60 ypg with Carr to just under 100 ypg with Schaub. It was a huge difference.

Add 2560 yds to AJ and he is in 2nd place all time on yardage right now.

Texecutioner
12-23-2014, 09:06 AM
Nuk has played w worse QBs than AJ too.

Not true. Carr was horrible. That is a toss up where no one wins. AJ didn't have a HOF WR to help take coverage off of him like Hopkins has had with AJ to help him.

austins23
12-23-2014, 09:45 AM
AJ went from 60 ypg with Carr to just under 100 ypg with Schaub. It was a huge difference.

Add 2560 yds to AJ and he is in 2nd place all time on yardage right now.

Andre is 4th in career YPG average. His average is over an 11 year span compared to the three WRs in front of him.

1. Julio Jones (25) 89.0 2011-2014 atl
2. Calvin Johnson (29) 87.8 2007-2014 det
3. A.J. Green (26) 81.2 2011-2014 cin
4. Andre Johnson (33) 80.1 2003-2014 htx

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_per_g_career.htm

infantrycak
12-23-2014, 09:54 AM
Andre is 4th in career YPG average. His average is over an 11 year span compared to the three WRs in front of him.

1. Julio Jones (25) 89.0 2011-2014 atl
2. Calvin Johnson (29) 87.8 2007-2014 det
3. A.J. Green (26) 81.2 2011-2014 cin
4. Andre Johnson (33) 80.1 2003-2014 htx

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_per_g_career.htm

Yes and if you look at the Schaub years he'd be in 1st by a relative mile.

austins23
12-23-2014, 09:57 AM
Yes and if you look at the Schaub years he'd be in 1st by a relative mile.

Absolutely agree.

TejasTom
12-23-2014, 08:30 PM
Yes and if you look at the Schaub years he'd be in 1st by a relative mile.
Which is absolutely amazing considering "hit the receiver in stride" was not part of the Texans' lexicon during the Schaub era.

DocBar
12-23-2014, 10:00 PM
Nah, he doesn't remind me of Chad at all. Much more physical.

He's not a AJ kind of athlete, so that comparison is whack. But he could be very productive in an offense that rewards catches by sending more targets that way.

And those hands are ridiculously good. Huge. Love watching him attack the ball.

As for the subject of this post, it is in the context of Andre Johnson telling him that he could be better than him, more aspirational. Nothing to see here, move along. /Barbrady'dHe remindsme of Steve Smith Sr. and Anquoin Bolden with a little bit of Cris Carter mixed in. DHop doesn't always attack the ball like he should. He'll sometimes wait for it to get to him instead of catching it with his hands. That has resulted in several incompletions and at least 1 INT that I can think of.

All in all, I really like him and think he can be very good. I think we'll see him fully blossom with Mallett or Savage (maybe even Keenum) throwing the rock.

Fico
12-23-2014, 10:26 PM
He remindsme of Steve Smith Sr. and Anquoin Bolden with a little bit of Cris Carter mixed in. DHop doesn't always attack the ball like he should. He'll sometimes wait for it to get to him instead of catching it with his hands. That has resulted in several incompletions and at least 1 INT that I can think of.



All in all, I really like him and think he can be very good. I think we'll see him fully blossom with Mallett or Savage (maybe even Keenum) throwing the rock.


Yeah that's just not accurate. His hands are his best and strongest asset.


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DocBar
12-23-2014, 10:44 PM
Yeah that's just not accurate. His hands are his best and strongest asset.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI agree that his hands are his best attribute, but if you disagree then either you haven't watched all the games or you need your eyes checked.

I didn't say his hands were an issue. I said there have been a few instances where he has waited on the ball when he should have used those great hands and reached out and grabbed the ball out of the air.

infantrycak
12-23-2014, 11:20 PM
I agree that his hands are his best attribute, but if you disagree then either you haven't watched all the games or you need your eyes checked.

I didn't say his hands were an issue. I said there have been a few instances where he has waited on the ball when he should have used those great hands and reached out and grabbed the ball out of the air.

I think you're right. To take it a bit further he has a habit of unnecessarily hopping to go up and let the ball come to him rather than maintaining his feet and snatching the ball at full reach.

It's not a huge issue but something he could work on.

Runner
12-23-2014, 11:34 PM
Yes and if you look at the Schaub years he'd be in 1st by a relative mile.

So many wasted years.

infantrycak
12-23-2014, 11:38 PM
So many wasted years.

Yup. I said the above to show how big the jump was from Carr to Schaub and there is no doubt Schaub and AJ had a good gig going. But you have to wonder what would have been if AJ had been Brady's Marvin Harrison.

PapaL
12-24-2014, 08:08 AM
Which is absolutely amazing considering "hit the receiver in stride" was not part of the Texans' lexicon during the Schaub era.

Isn't it sad how much we miss that? Schaub couldn't hit a WR in stride but he got the ball to them. Now we can't do either.

:vincepalm:

DexmanC
12-24-2014, 11:43 PM
To say that he IS better than AJ, is disrespect.

To say that he CAN BE better than AJ, no disrespect.

417Texan
12-25-2014, 12:27 PM
He did not say it in a bad way so I have no issues with it. Aim high.

Sigma
12-25-2014, 10:17 PM
LINK (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/09/rookie-star-deandre-hopkins-i-can-be-better-than-andre-johnson/)
Pretty damned ballsy from a rookie with 2 career games under his belt. He has produced on the field but is a long way from replacing AJ.
AJ is one good AJ season from jumping about 8-9 spots on the all time receiving yards list. DHop has about 1% of AJ's career yards.

I like confidence, but this smacks of disrespect to the biggest influence he'll probably have in his career. I'm not a big fan of this comment by DHop.

so, it's fine if you say you want to be the best.
but it's not ok if you say you want to be better than AJ? :D

infantrycak
12-25-2014, 10:54 PM
so, it's fine if you say you want to be the best.
but it's not ok if you say you want to be better than AJ? :D

Do you really not get the difference?

Sigma
12-26-2014, 09:30 AM
Do you really not get the difference?

of course, but I don't think he was disrespecting AJ.

if he had the attitude of "I won't ever be better than AJ" that would have been worse.

or if he had said "I am better than AJ"

"could be better" I am ok with that

infantrycak
12-26-2014, 10:51 AM
I don't think he was disrespecting AJ either.

Nitrofish
12-28-2014, 08:29 PM
Hopkins disappeared today. Probably cost me a fantasy championship in one of my leagues but that is another story. I have high expectation for Hopkins, but better than Dre? I doubt that.

PapaL
12-28-2014, 08:42 PM
Hard to catch the ball when it's not being thrown to you and in the rare case it is thrown to you, it's behind you or in the ground.

thunderkyss
12-28-2014, 08:46 PM
Hard to catch the ball when it's not being thrown to you and in the rare case it is thrown to you, it's behind you or in the ground.

I agree.

Hopkins "disappearance" is not about Hopkins not playing well. Just like Andre's decline this year has nothing to do with his ability.

The QBs obviously clicked with different receivers. Andre missing the offseason program probably had more to do with Fitz clicking with Hop than anything.

CretorFrigg
12-28-2014, 08:49 PM
Hopkins is already better than AJ. Andre Johnson just isn't the same anymore. He's slower, weaker, and prone to fumbling now. He's had his moment and if he doesn't take a pay cut next season, we will be grossly overpaying him next season.

Will Hopkins be better than AJ in his prime? Maybe. He's only in his second season with a shit selection of QBs throwing to him, and he's still producing. I see promise.

welsh texan
12-28-2014, 08:50 PM
Hard to catch the ball when it's not being thrown to you and in the rare case it is thrown to you, it's behind you or in the ground.

It's all down to the QBs trust IMO, Case has his timing down with Dre, while Dhop has barely been able to practice due to injury the last couple of weeks. OTOH AJ skipped the offseason work meaning Fitz didn't have chance to get comfortable with him and DH was the de facto #1 during TC.

I'm hoping they both have great seasons next year as the dual threat, plus Foster to account for makes the D pick their poison when all 3 are on song.

PapaL
12-28-2014, 08:53 PM
I think AJ has definitely declined and lost a step. Doesn't mean he's garbage. AJ was the second fastest man in the NFL. Now? Idk that he's the 2nd fastest on offense on our team. But that's part of being 33.

Wolf
12-28-2014, 08:53 PM
Doesn't AJ have a shit selection throwing to him too?

I just find it weird when case is at the helm. AJ gets touchdowns and is productive and like today he somehow has a 100 yard game.


This isn't an endorsement for Case at the helm. I just wonder why he has a better chemistry with AJ yet our other QBs seem to use him as a decoy

Nitrofish
12-29-2014, 10:39 PM
Hard to catch the ball when it's not being thrown to you and in the rare case it is thrown to you, it's behind you or in the ground.

I assume you mean while Keenum was throwing passes? Johnson had 181 targets in 2013, and is down to 147 in 2014. Hopkins had 127 in 2014.

Hopkins is already better than AJ. Andre Johnson just isn't the same anymore. He's slower, weaker, and prone to fumbling now. He's had his moment and if he doesn't take a pay cut next season, we will be grossly overpaying him next season.

Will Hopkins be better than AJ in his prime? Maybe. He's only in his second season with a shit selection of QBs throwing to him, and he's still producing. I see promise.

While I appreciate your opinion. Hopkins will never posses the physical gifts Johnson has. IMHO Hopkins will never have the career Johnson has had. Very few ever will. I see far less productivity for Hopkins once Johnson is gone and he is drawing all of the double coverages instead of Johnson. Because of that I see injury in the future for Hopkins because he is not as physically gifted as Johnson. Once the team starts riding him like they did Johnson, his smaller frame will not hold up. He looks great in the single coverage afforded to him by Johnson, but let's see what happens when he is the man, and Johnson is gone.

theNumber80
12-29-2014, 11:04 PM
Hopkins disappeared today. Probably cost me a fantasy championship in one of my leagues but that is another story. I have high expectation for Hopkins, but better than Dre? I doubt that.

Yup. Andre in his prime was a top 5-7 WR of all time IMO. Ignore the numbers and just watch him play. Between the 20s he was as good as it gets. There's a reason why the majority of his catches, defenders were at least 5 yards away from him. If he had an elite QB, he would have broken the yardage long before Calvin did(with 200 targets nonetheless).

PapaL
12-29-2014, 11:05 PM
I assume you mean while Keenum was throwing passes? Johnson had 181 targets in 2013, and is down to 147 in 2014. Hopkins had 127 in 2014.


You assume incorrect. I was talking about this last game. You said he disappeared today, I said you can't disappear when the ball isn't thrown accurately to you. Can't blame the WR there.

amazing80
12-30-2014, 10:35 AM
I don't want to hear this for the next 3 years. Typically when Dre has a good game Hopkins won't, and vice-versa. Its the nature of the business, very rarely will they both get lots of passes and yards. This is what happens when you get good players around Dre. His stats drop off, nothing new or exciting about it, just reality.