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DocBar
09-15-2013, 08:12 PM
LINK (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/09/rookie-star-deandre-hopkins-i-can-be-better-than-andre-johnson/)
Pretty damned ballsy from a rookie with 2 career games under his belt. He has produced on the field but is a long way from replacing AJ.
AJ is one good AJ season from jumping about 8-9 spots on the all time receiving yards list. DHop has about 1% of AJ's career yards.

I like confidence, but this smacks of disrespect to the biggest influence he'll probably have in his career. I'm not a big fan of this comment by DHop.

HJam72
09-15-2013, 08:15 PM
I'm not a fan of it either, but I don't think he meant anything disrespectful by it. AJ apparently told him not to put himself in his shadow & to try to be even better & that he COULD be even better someday. Hopkins just isn't quite clever or experienced enough to know he shouldn't say that to the media, even if AJ has no problem with it.

eriadoc
09-15-2013, 08:18 PM
Aim high, young man.

Dishman
09-15-2013, 08:18 PM
On Sunday, Hopkins said he can better than Andre Johnson.

“That’s my mindset and that’s what Andre’s telling me: ‘Don’t try to shadow yourself when you know you can be better,’ ” Hopkins said.

Sounds harmless and seems like a good mindset to have.

DocBar
09-15-2013, 08:24 PM
Sounds harmless and seems like a good mindset to have.That's one of those "you can think about it but don't say it" things to me. If you want to be better than AJ, go out on the field and do it, don't talk to the media about it. Especially when AJ is in the trainer's room during your shining moment.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if DHop becomes better than AJ. AJ is a few very good years from having HOF stats. I also agree that he should aim high. Just be more respectful about it.

ATXtexanfan
09-15-2013, 08:27 PM
Sounds harmless and seems like a good mindset to have.

This, and dude has a.very long.way to go

Naiirb
09-15-2013, 08:28 PM
Don't see the big deal about this comment. Hopkins even says that's what Andre tells him

Playoffs
09-15-2013, 08:31 PM
Sounds harmless and seems like a good mindset to have.

Yep, he's just parroting what AJ tells him.

But he should aim high. Aim for Megatron.

JJ Watt says wants to be the best ever. So does DeAndre.

He's a 1st round pick -- he better expect to be great.

dream_team
09-15-2013, 08:31 PM
What was the full statement he said? Lets not take anything out of context.

TexansBull
09-15-2013, 08:37 PM
Do y'all remember that one guy that came in here from NC I think and said he was going to be better than AJ and was out before training camp started?

Either way, when we win a Superbowl AJ will be seen as great as a sports figure as Hakeem was to this city. He is truly admirable to stick with this franchise after the Capers-Casserly-Carr fiasco. Any other receiver would have left years ago.

Hopkins will never be able to match that. He won't go through building a team. Do that then get back to me. AJ left some good years and stats by doing so.

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Hervoyel
09-15-2013, 08:37 PM
I don't think any disrespect was meant by it. He's got goals and he's set them high where his teammate and mentor told him to set them.

Beats the hell out of that UDFA (whose name I can't even remember) who quit in camp and was talking about being the next Andre Johnson. At least Hopkins has the ability to mindset play his way into the conversation


-great minds

busterspencer
09-15-2013, 08:42 PM
I don't think any disrespect was meant by it. He's got goals and he's set them high where his teammate and mentor told him to set them.

Beats the hell out of that UDFA (whose name I can't even remember) who quit in camp and was talking about being the next Andre Johnson. At least Hopkins has the ability to mindset play his way into the conversation


-great minds

I do not care what he says, good or bad... JUST KEEP PLAYING GOOD FOOTBALL...JUST HELP US WIN!!!!!

Marcus
09-15-2013, 08:45 PM
What was the full statement he said? Lets not take anything out of context.

Aw c'mon man! It wouldn't be any fun around here if we weren't allowed to take things out of context. ;)

ArlingtonTexan
09-15-2013, 08:50 PM
http://www.nfl.com/player/andrejohnson/2505551/gamelogs?season=2003

He does have slightly better stats than AJ after two games. :bravo:

Playoffs
09-15-2013, 08:56 PM
“He just stepped up,” second-year receiver Keshawn Martin said. “He just made big catch after big catch. He just has incredible talent and I’m excited. I’m excited for the rest of this season.”
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“I’m speechless, dude,” tight end Owen Daniels said. “For him to make those plays at that point in the game, just throw it up…”
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“Hop played huge in the back end of the game,” head coach Gary Kubiak said. “He made some big plays. That’s what he’s here for. We survived today because of some great heroics and some plays by him. Trusting him, putting up some balls, putting up some jump balls and trusting him.”
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“He’s maturing in a hurry,” said Daniels, who was the last Texan aside from Johnson with a 100-yard receiving game. “You don’t expect that confidence and maturity out of a guy as young as he is, with as little experience as he has. It’s Week 2 in his first year in the league, but he’s a really confident guy. He knows that if the ball’s in the air, that he’s gonna go and snatch that thing. He did it all day today. He’s done it since I’ve seen him here, since he’s been in town.”http://www.csnhouston.com/football-houston-texans/talk/rookie-hopkins-shines-texans%E2%80%99-win

“It was a great ball by (QB) Matt (Schaub),” Hopkins said of his game-winning catch. “He put it in the perfect position for me to go up and catch it. We practice that basically every day, the wide receivers. And practice makes perfect.”

“Anytime I see one-on-one, that’ s wide receiver’s dream,” Hopkins said.

“I probably had about 16 people come from South Carolina,” Hopkins said. “There was probably 10 of them who it was their first time flying.”

...Hopkins strives to be even more prolific than the 11-year veteran.

“I feel like I can be better than Andre,” Hopkins said. “That’s my mindset. And that’s what Andre tells me. (He says) Don’t try to shadow yourself when you know you can be better.”http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/DeAndre-Hopkins-makes-game-winning-TD-catch-in-30-24-OT-win/d16a8f0e-7706-4329-b901-ff6050e60474

dream_team
09-15-2013, 09:19 PM
Aw c'mon man! It wouldn't be any fun around here if we weren't allowed to take things out of context. ;)

That's true ... message boards are all about taking things out of context.

fiasco west
09-15-2013, 09:26 PM
Do y'all remember that one guy that came in here from NC I think and said he was going to be better than AJ and was out before training camp started?

Either way, when we win a Superbowl AJ will be seen as great as a sports figure as Hakeem was to this city. He is truly admirable to stick with this franchise after the Capers-Casserly-Carr fiasco. Any other receiver would have left years ago.

Hopkins will never be able to match that. He won't go through building a team. Do that then get back to me. AJ left some good years and stats by doing so.

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Well, I agree it will be tough to match what Andre or Hakeem has done...but if say Harden-Dwight combo won 4 championships?? I'd put them over Hakeem, that's just me.

So if Hopkins 10 years from now is passing Andre on the all-time list and thanks to him we have a couple of superbowls...then yeah, he'd pass Andre for me.

Doesn't mean I'd forget Andre or not respect what he's done. My hopes is that Hopkins DOES surpass Andre. I'm a fan of the team first so I hope he IS better than Andre because that thought is crazy.

With that said, he has some time to go. He also doesn't have the physical tools Andre does, doesn't mean he can't be great though. Right now he's had one good game so I'm not sure how I feel about this one. I'm glad he has confidence and I hope he works towards that goal instead of just saying it to say it.

CloakNNNdagger
09-15-2013, 09:29 PM
I'm sure he meant no disrespect, but he could have probably waited a little longer to say it publicly. Sort of like the Letterman jacket fiasco........should have waited to try to make a statement AFTER establishing a meaningful accomplishment..........didn't make anyone look good.

Rey
09-15-2013, 09:34 PM
This is a comment I'd have read and thought nothing of.

thunderkyss
09-15-2013, 09:37 PM
Aim for the stars... hit the moon.



either way, we win.

PapaL
09-15-2013, 09:38 PM
SMH...what's he suppose to say? I want to be better than LeStar Jean? AJ told him this. I for one am happy. They should all aim to be the best of the best.

Honestly, right now we have most of the All Time best Texans on this roster. You'd probably sprinkle in a few players but these are the best this franchise has had. Aim higher.

CloakNNNdagger
09-15-2013, 09:41 PM
This is a comment I'd have read and thought nothing of.

Signed Dwight Jones:)

SAMURAITEXAN
09-15-2013, 09:44 PM
That's one of those "you can think about it but don't say it" things to me. If you want to be better than AJ, go out on the field and do it, don't talk to the media about it. Especially when AJ is in the trainer's room during your shining moment.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if DHop becomes better than AJ. AJ is a few very good years from having HOF stats. I also agree that he should aim high. Just be more respectful about it.

If anything, I think DHop try to compliment AJ with his comment for letting him have a strong mindset to be the best that you can be. (The sky is the limit thing)

drs23
09-15-2013, 09:47 PM
Nuk wasn't dissin' AJ one little bit. He was parroting what AJ told him and us through the media. Andre has bragged on this youngster since day one. If anything the young Nuk just needs to learn to be a little more media savy. That's all.

fiasco west
09-15-2013, 09:50 PM
Signed Dwight Jones:)

Wow, I completely forgot about that guy...

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
09-15-2013, 10:02 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aTTY3v3Gu-8/TGHjZaCyVlI/AAAAAAAAA0k/pbuWiL3Kk6E/s1600/making+a+mountain+out+of+a+molehill.jpg

Pantherstang84
09-15-2013, 10:33 PM
Nuk wasn't dissin' AJ one little bit. He was parroting what AJ told him and us through the media. Andre has bragged on this youngster since day one. If anything the young Nuk just needs to learn to be a little more media savy. That's all.

I'm giving the kid a pass. We all know how the media likes to take things out of context and try to spin something up. My grandfather use to have a saying, "If you don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. You'll start to see the truth."

DocBar
09-15-2013, 10:37 PM
If anything, I think DHop try to compliment AJ with his comment for letting him have a strong mindset to be the best that you can be. (The sky is the limit thing)That may well be, but I would've preferred that sentiment to be kept private. Just way too strong of a statement from a rookie.

Wolf6151
09-15-2013, 10:39 PM
This is just the press trying to create news instead of just reporting it by taking a quote out of context and trying to create controversy.

beerlover
09-15-2013, 10:48 PM
Hop is a mini Julio, both awesome talents @ same time would bow respectively to Roddy White or Andre Johnson. Good problem to have & it's about damn time.

Seegara
09-15-2013, 10:50 PM
Oh no. I thought Hopkins was going to be a valuable addition, but getting the big head this early in his career is a disaster. It means he's getting set up to blow a game.

Hope AJ won't miss time from a concussion. We can't do without him at this point.

DocBar
09-15-2013, 10:53 PM
Oh no. I thought Hopkins was going to be a valuable addition, but getting the big head this early in his career is a disaster. It means he's getting set up to blow a game. You mean he's going to contract Bullock's Disease???? OH NO!!!!!!

Carr Bombed
09-15-2013, 10:56 PM
So from reading from the link posted... this is all the actual quotes I got from Hopkins.

“That’s my mindset and that’s what Andre’s telling me, ‘Don’t try to shadow yourself when you know you can be better,”

“Once you’re lined up on the other side of Andre, it’s business,”



Where in the hell did Hopkins ever say "I can be better than Andre Johnson"? :kubepalm:

More craptastic reporting from our local media.. Hopefully this thread doesn't get overblown like the firestorm that Nick "Gonzo" Wright started last week.

Playoffs
09-15-2013, 11:19 PM
Where in the hell did Hopkins ever say "I can be better than Andre Johnson"?

See post #15 (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2210521#post2210521)

qman_tx
09-15-2013, 11:38 PM
LOL what happened to Dwight Jones?

DocBar
09-15-2013, 11:51 PM
LOL what happened to Dwight Jones?

Who?

EVOLVIST
09-15-2013, 11:54 PM
LINK (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/09/rookie-star-deandre-hopkins-i-can-be-better-than-andre-johnson/)I'm not a big fan of this comment by DHop.

I'm sure DHop wouldn't be a big fan of the comment you made in the gameday thread, i.e. "Game over," after Schaub's Pick 6. Pg. 36.

Don't mean to dis, but I had to point it out...

All's fair, huh? ;)

DocBar
09-15-2013, 11:59 PM
I'm sure DHop wouldn't be a big fan of the comment you made in the gameday thread, i.e. "Game over," after Schaub's Pick 6. Pg. 36.

Don't mean to dis, but I had to point it out...

All's fair, huh? ;) And?

Marcus
09-16-2013, 01:04 AM
And?

You should put your big girl panties on and actually read the link you posted. He didn't disrespect AJ or anyone else.

Hookem Horns
09-16-2013, 01:08 AM
Well he is going to have the advantage of not having David Carr as his QB for the few seasons of his career.

htownfan32
09-16-2013, 01:11 AM
Well he is going to have the advantage of not having David Carr as his QB for the few seasons of his career.

LOL! Even Schaub haters should agree on this.

The Third Man
09-16-2013, 01:22 AM
People overreacting to quotes taken out of context? That never happens!

infantrycak
09-16-2013, 01:37 AM
Well he is going to have the advantage of not having David Carr as his QB for the few seasons of his career.

LOL! Even Schaub haters should agree on this.

Andre Johnson yards per game:

Carr - 64.3
Schaub - 96.7 - that pace would put AJ in 1st place by 12 yds over Megatron.

At Schaub/AJ pace AJ would now have 13345 yds which would be 12th on the career list with a season and a half to make 2nd.

ObsiWan
09-16-2013, 02:16 AM
That's true ... today's sports media is all about taking things out of context and trying to fabricate a story where none really exists.
fixed it for ya
:D

gcates
09-16-2013, 02:45 AM
This is no different than AJ saying he would be better than Jerry Rice at the beginning of his second season...well a little different since they are playing together...but still, nothing wrong with having high expectations.

Vinny
09-16-2013, 08:00 AM
Physically, Hopkins kinda reminds me of Chad Johnson minus the personality. He'll never be able to beast guys off the jam like AJ...he doesn't have (Andre) Johnson's suddenness, strength or build. He may be better at plucking the ball out of the air but to me he will have to play in the mold of Reggie Wayne or Chad Johnson if he is going to have a career that will eventually compare to AJ long haul. Right now I don't see him having more raw upside than AJ did when he was a rookie. He's closer to a finished product than Andre was at the same point in their respective careers though.

ChampionTexan
09-16-2013, 09:33 AM
Physically, Hopkins kinda reminds me of Chad Johnson minus the personality. He'll never be able to beast guys off the jam like AJ...he doesn't have (Andre) Johnson's suddenness, strength or build. He may be better at plucking the ball out of the air but to me he will have to play in the mold of Reggie Wayne or Chad Johnson if he is going to have a career that will eventually compare to AJ long haul. Right now I don't see him having more raw upside than AJ did when he was a rookie. He's closer to a finished product than Andre was at the same point in their respective careers though.

Granted, Hopkins looks pretty lean, but if the height and weight reported (6'1 218 pounds) is anywhere near correct, he outweighs Chad Johnson by anywhere from 25-30 pounds even though he's the same height.

Given the success he's had in going after jump balls, I think there's a little more to Mr. Hopkins size and strength than some here are giving him credit for.

HOU-TEX
09-16-2013, 10:15 AM
I actually got pumped after reading a tweet with his quotes yesterday. Having AJ as a mentor is making this cat a good one. Going by what I've seen so far with the big catches and hands that wrap around the football, he might be close to unstoppable once he gains the experience.

thunderkyss
09-16-2013, 10:27 AM
I actually got pumped after reading a tweet with his quotes yesterday. Having AJ as a mentor is making this cat a good one. Going by what I've seen so far with the big catches and hands that wrap around the football, he might be close to unstoppable once he gains the experience.

Just to throw a damper on things... the jump ball to Andre & jump ball to Hop to get to the 2 yard line...

poor, poor ball placement. A good corner back (Richard Sherman) will take those every time. Andre & Hop had to reach over the CB, to the inside & snag those balls.

The ball needs to be either directly over the heads of the receiver/DB (like that bomb Yates threw to DeAndre in the Preseason), or slightly (slightly) behind like the Hopkins TD. If he's going to put it more on a line, where the receiver doesn't have to jump, it needs to be further behind... a back shoulder throw.

But those two... Schaub needs to work on those. Especially since we're going to be playing Sherman two weeks from now.

Playoffs
09-16-2013, 10:38 AM
DeAndre Hopkins Helps Houston Texans Escape With Win vs. Tennessee Titans (http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/09/15/deandre-hopkins-helps-houston-texans-escape-with-win-vs-tennessee-titans/)
I said it before the draft and I still am sticking by it – DeAndre Hopkins will be the best wide receiver in this draft class. Of course, after the show he put on in the 4th quarter for the Houston Texans in their second consecutive come from behind victory, it doesn’t sound like such a wild boast.

It was debated wildly, but when most accused him of running a route incorrectly with the Texans trailing by a point led to a poor Matt Schaub throw that resulted in a pick six, many fans were piling on both Hopkins and Schaub. Regardless of who it was on, Schaub didn’t shy away from him down the stretch. With the blitz working so effectively and no one besides Andre Johnson doing much in the receiving game, the Titans challenged Hopkins to be the one who beat them. After a partial quarter and a single possession in overtime, it’s now clear that the challenge was accepted by the Houston rookie.

I predicted earlier this week (http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/09/11/houston-texans-5-players-who-will-shine-in-week-2/) that this would be Hopkins’ breakout game for the Texans and that he would pick up his first career touchdown (http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/09/15/houston-texans-week-2-predictions/). Even in my greatest imaginative efforts I couldn’t have predicted that it would be a game-ending touchdown reception though...

thunderkyss
09-16-2013, 10:42 AM
DeAndre Hopkins Helps Houston Texans Escape With Win vs. Tennessee Titans (http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/09/15/deandre-hopkins-helps-houston-texans-escape-with-win-vs-tennessee-titans/)

Just saying, Tavon Austin had 2 TDs yesterday.

That said, the 610 guys just said he's on pace for 94 catches & 1400 yards. 14.8 avg <---- I'm good with that regardless what his total catches & yards turn out to be.

Stretching the field like that will help us more than anything else

Texecutioner
09-16-2013, 10:57 AM
It is looking like Rick Smith has hit nicely on another first round pick. I liked Hopkins in the first game and I'm really liking what I'm seeing now. It looks like that big time grab he had in the first pre season game what just a small sample of what was yet to come. So stoked that we have our #2 WR on the side of AJ now.

cstyle42
09-16-2013, 11:14 AM
To be upset or not like this comment is just plain idiotic to me. He is simply implying that he is preparing and planning to be better than Andre Johnson versus preparing and planning to be another Andre Johnson. This is the best mindset to have in my opinion. He needs to be the best Deandre Hopkins he can possibly be and if that ends up being better than Andre Johnson then great you reached to the highest potential of your goals.

Vinny
09-16-2013, 11:32 AM
Physically, Hopkins kinda reminds me of Chad Johnson minus the personality. He'll never be able to beast guys off the jam like AJ...he doesn't have (Andre) Johnson's suddenness, strength or build. He may be better at plucking the ball out of the air but to me he will have to play in the mold of Reggie Wayne or Chad Johnson if he is going to have a career that will eventually compare to AJ long haul. Right now I don't see him having more raw upside than AJ did when he was a rookie. He's closer to a finished product than Andre was at the same point in their respective careers though.

Granted, Hopkins looks pretty lean, but if the height and weight reported (6'1 218 pounds) is anywhere near correct, he outweighs Chad Johnson by anywhere from 25-30 pounds even though he's the same height.

Given the success he's had in going after jump balls, I think there's a little more to Mr. Hopkins size and strength than some here are giving him credit for. He carries his weight well because he looks rail thin at times. He has a deceptive body type. I keep thinking of Steve Harris (old Rocket) when I see him. I know Harris was taller and much, much thinner than Hopkins but they both have this angular leanness to their body types. He certainly looks like he is plenty big and strong enough up close, no doubt about that. I know you aren't accusing me of this, but to be clear I'm not knocking him. He's as-advertised so far..."NFL ready".

infantrycak
09-16-2013, 12:21 PM
Just saying, Tavon Austin had 2 TDs yesterday.


Same number of targets, 95 less yards, 5 less 1st downs, 1 more TD - just saying.

Double Barrel
09-16-2013, 12:25 PM
Love the attitude from the rookie and that he's backing up his words with great plays on the field. I have no problem with his perspective, and I have no doubt nobody on the Texans has a problem with it.

If his team is not upset, then fans need to put it in proper perspective and not make mountains out of molehills.

Thorn
09-16-2013, 12:30 PM
We should trade that no good Hopkins for Tebow.

Hervoyel
09-16-2013, 01:23 PM
I actually got pumped after reading a tweet with his quotes yesterday. Having AJ as a mentor is making this cat a good one. Going by what I've seen so far with the big catches and hands that wrap around the football, he might be close to unstoppable once he gains the experience.


Yeah. That's something we've seen across the board but it's really standing out at the positions where we have great established players like AJ. When he got here all he had for a mentor was Corey Bradford & Jabar Gaffney.

AJ was thankfully a self-starter but as nice a couple of guys as Bradford and Gaffney were I doubt they taught AJ anything more than the layout of the facility in training camp. Hopkins has it made in the mentor department. Andre Johnson is pretty much the standard for outstanding WR's in this league.

The1ApplePie
09-16-2013, 01:35 PM
Physically, Hopkins kinda reminds me of Chad Johnson minus the personality. He'll never be able to beast guys off the jam like AJ...he doesn't have (Andre) Johnson's suddenness, strength or build. He may be better at plucking the ball out of the air but to me he will have to play in the mold of Reggie Wayne or Chad Johnson if he is going to have a career that will eventually compare to AJ long haul. Right now I don't see him having more raw upside than AJ did when he was a rookie. He's closer to a finished product than Andre was at the same point in their respective careers though.

Ocho is a very good comparison, especially when it comes to skillset and their role on the field.

He may not have the physical ceiling of Megatron or Dez Bryant, but he will take over many a game. He is also in a good place to follow Reggie Wayne, going from the best No. 2 WR to a top-flight No. 1 when the experienced beast finally hangs it up.

thunderkyss
09-16-2013, 02:33 PM
I can't wait till Posey is ready to contribute.

281
09-16-2013, 03:03 PM
I can't wait till Posey is ready to contribute.

This.

...and I feel that Hopkins reminds me a little bit of Larry Fitzgerald more than anybody else.

RCPM
09-16-2013, 03:07 PM
LINK (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/09/rookie-star-deandre-hopkins-i-can-be-better-than-andre-johnson/)
Pretty damned ballsy from a rookie with 2 career games under his belt. He has produced on the field but is a long way from replacing AJ.
AJ is one good AJ season from jumping about 8-9 spots on the all time receiving yards list. DHop has about 1% of AJ's career yards.

I like confidence, but this smacks of disrespect to the biggest influence he'll probably have in his career. I'm not a big fan of this comment by DHop.

Really? smh........

Dread-Head
09-16-2013, 03:42 PM
Prove it kid. Prove it into the playoffs and prove it in a Superbowl. I want to see Hopkins and Johnson trying to see who's the better receiver moments before they both are wearing "World Champions" hats, drinking champagne and passing this :trophy: back and forth.

Texans_Chick
09-16-2013, 06:40 PM
Physically, Hopkins kinda reminds me of Chad Johnson minus the personality. He'll never be able to beast guys off the jam like AJ...he doesn't have (Andre) Johnson's suddenness, strength or build. He may be better at plucking the ball out of the air but to me he will have to play in the mold of Reggie Wayne or Chad Johnson if he is going to have a career that will eventually compare to AJ long haul. Right now I don't see him having more raw upside than AJ did when he was a rookie. He's closer to a finished product than Andre was at the same point in their respective careers though.

Nah, he doesn't remind me of Chad at all. Much more physical.

He's not a AJ kind of athlete, so that comparison is whack. But he could be very productive in an offense that rewards catches by sending more targets that way.

And those hands are ridiculously good. Huge. Love watching him attack the ball.

As for the subject of this post, it is in the context of Andre Johnson telling him that he could be better than him, more aspirational. Nothing to see here, move along. /Barbrady'd

HOU-TEX
09-17-2013, 03:23 PM
LOL what happened to Dwight Jones?

Funny you ask

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 12m
Cowboys also worked out corners Ryan Steed, Junior Mertile, Peyton Thompson; wide receiver Dwight Jones.

cstyle42
09-17-2013, 05:15 PM
At the end of the day I hope Jordan is to Kobe as Andre is to Deandre.

HJam72
09-17-2013, 09:01 PM
I'm sure he's better than AJ at something, like making grilled-cheese sandwiches or whatever.

Playoffs
12-21-2014, 06:58 PM
Evan Koch @EvanKoch22
Per @EliasSports: Houston Texans WR DeAndre Hopkins is 2nd youngest WR in NFL history to reach 2,000 yards receiving - 22 years, 198 days. Larry Fitzgerald was 22 years, 109 days.

PapaL
12-21-2014, 07:05 PM
Nuk has played w worse QBs than AJ too.

JB
12-21-2014, 07:08 PM
Nuk has played w worse QBs than AJ too.

questionable than any of them were worse than 5 years of HWSNBN

PapaL
12-21-2014, 07:10 PM
questionable than any of them were worse than 5 years of HWSNBN


If I wasn't so lazy I'd look up last years QB fiasco and compare it to AJ's first year w Mittens. Don't forget, Schaub lead the league in passing and wasn't the scrub he is now.

JB
12-21-2014, 07:15 PM
If I wasn't so lazy I'd look up last years QB fiasco and compare it to AJ's first year w Mittens. Don't forget, Schaub lead the league in passing and wasn't the scrub he is now.

Schaub was very good before last year. Hops has had bad qb play but it's been for a short time. Even early last year Schaub wasn't terrible except for the pick 6's

eriadoc
12-23-2014, 08:38 AM
If I wasn't so lazy I'd look up last years QB fiasco and compare it to AJ's first year w Mittens. Don't forget, Schaub lead the league in passing and wasn't the scrub he is now.

Carr wasn't a complete train wreck until a little over halfway through the '04 season, FWIW.

infantrycak
12-23-2014, 09:03 AM
AJ went from 60 ypg with Carr to just under 100 ypg with Schaub. It was a huge difference.

Add 2560 yds to AJ and he is in 2nd place all time on yardage right now.

Texecutioner
12-23-2014, 09:06 AM
Nuk has played w worse QBs than AJ too.

Not true. Carr was horrible. That is a toss up where no one wins. AJ didn't have a HOF WR to help take coverage off of him like Hopkins has had with AJ to help him.

austins23
12-23-2014, 09:45 AM
AJ went from 60 ypg with Carr to just under 100 ypg with Schaub. It was a huge difference.

Add 2560 yds to AJ and he is in 2nd place all time on yardage right now.

Andre is 4th in career YPG average. His average is over an 11 year span compared to the three WRs in front of him.

1. Julio Jones (25) 89.0 2011-2014 atl
2. Calvin Johnson (29) 87.8 2007-2014 det
3. A.J. Green (26) 81.2 2011-2014 cin
4. Andre Johnson (33) 80.1 2003-2014 htx

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_per_g_career.htm

infantrycak
12-23-2014, 09:54 AM
Andre is 4th in career YPG average. His average is over an 11 year span compared to the three WRs in front of him.

1. Julio Jones (25) 89.0 2011-2014 atl
2. Calvin Johnson (29) 87.8 2007-2014 det
3. A.J. Green (26) 81.2 2011-2014 cin
4. Andre Johnson (33) 80.1 2003-2014 htx

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_per_g_career.htm

Yes and if you look at the Schaub years he'd be in 1st by a relative mile.

austins23
12-23-2014, 09:57 AM
Yes and if you look at the Schaub years he'd be in 1st by a relative mile.

Absolutely agree.

TejasTom
12-23-2014, 08:30 PM
Yes and if you look at the Schaub years he'd be in 1st by a relative mile.
Which is absolutely amazing considering "hit the receiver in stride" was not part of the Texans' lexicon during the Schaub era.

DocBar
12-23-2014, 10:00 PM
Nah, he doesn't remind me of Chad at all. Much more physical.

He's not a AJ kind of athlete, so that comparison is whack. But he could be very productive in an offense that rewards catches by sending more targets that way.

And those hands are ridiculously good. Huge. Love watching him attack the ball.

As for the subject of this post, it is in the context of Andre Johnson telling him that he could be better than him, more aspirational. Nothing to see here, move along. /Barbrady'dHe remindsme of Steve Smith Sr. and Anquoin Bolden with a little bit of Cris Carter mixed in. DHop doesn't always attack the ball like he should. He'll sometimes wait for it to get to him instead of catching it with his hands. That has resulted in several incompletions and at least 1 INT that I can think of.

All in all, I really like him and think he can be very good. I think we'll see him fully blossom with Mallett or Savage (maybe even Keenum) throwing the rock.

Fico
12-23-2014, 10:26 PM
He remindsme of Steve Smith Sr. and Anquoin Bolden with a little bit of Cris Carter mixed in. DHop doesn't always attack the ball like he should. He'll sometimes wait for it to get to him instead of catching it with his hands. That has resulted in several incompletions and at least 1 INT that I can think of.



All in all, I really like him and think he can be very good. I think we'll see him fully blossom with Mallett or Savage (maybe even Keenum) throwing the rock.


Yeah that's just not accurate. His hands are his best and strongest asset.


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DocBar
12-23-2014, 10:44 PM
Yeah that's just not accurate. His hands are his best and strongest asset.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI agree that his hands are his best attribute, but if you disagree then either you haven't watched all the games or you need your eyes checked.

I didn't say his hands were an issue. I said there have been a few instances where he has waited on the ball when he should have used those great hands and reached out and grabbed the ball out of the air.

infantrycak
12-23-2014, 11:20 PM
I agree that his hands are his best attribute, but if you disagree then either you haven't watched all the games or you need your eyes checked.

I didn't say his hands were an issue. I said there have been a few instances where he has waited on the ball when he should have used those great hands and reached out and grabbed the ball out of the air.

I think you're right. To take it a bit further he has a habit of unnecessarily hopping to go up and let the ball come to him rather than maintaining his feet and snatching the ball at full reach.

It's not a huge issue but something he could work on.

Runner
12-23-2014, 11:34 PM
Yes and if you look at the Schaub years he'd be in 1st by a relative mile.

So many wasted years.

infantrycak
12-23-2014, 11:38 PM
So many wasted years.

Yup. I said the above to show how big the jump was from Carr to Schaub and there is no doubt Schaub and AJ had a good gig going. But you have to wonder what would have been if AJ had been Brady's Marvin Harrison.

PapaL
12-24-2014, 08:08 AM
Which is absolutely amazing considering "hit the receiver in stride" was not part of the Texans' lexicon during the Schaub era.

Isn't it sad how much we miss that? Schaub couldn't hit a WR in stride but he got the ball to them. Now we can't do either.

:vincepalm:

DexmanC
12-24-2014, 11:43 PM
To say that he IS better than AJ, is disrespect.

To say that he CAN BE better than AJ, no disrespect.

417Texan
12-25-2014, 12:27 PM
He did not say it in a bad way so I have no issues with it. Aim high.

Sigma
12-25-2014, 10:17 PM
LINK (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/09/rookie-star-deandre-hopkins-i-can-be-better-than-andre-johnson/)
Pretty damned ballsy from a rookie with 2 career games under his belt. He has produced on the field but is a long way from replacing AJ.
AJ is one good AJ season from jumping about 8-9 spots on the all time receiving yards list. DHop has about 1% of AJ's career yards.

I like confidence, but this smacks of disrespect to the biggest influence he'll probably have in his career. I'm not a big fan of this comment by DHop.

so, it's fine if you say you want to be the best.
but it's not ok if you say you want to be better than AJ? :D

infantrycak
12-25-2014, 10:54 PM
so, it's fine if you say you want to be the best.
but it's not ok if you say you want to be better than AJ? :D

Do you really not get the difference?

Sigma
12-26-2014, 09:30 AM
Do you really not get the difference?

of course, but I don't think he was disrespecting AJ.

if he had the attitude of "I won't ever be better than AJ" that would have been worse.

or if he had said "I am better than AJ"

"could be better" I am ok with that

infantrycak
12-26-2014, 10:51 AM
I don't think he was disrespecting AJ either.

Nitrofish
12-28-2014, 08:29 PM
Hopkins disappeared today. Probably cost me a fantasy championship in one of my leagues but that is another story. I have high expectation for Hopkins, but better than Dre? I doubt that.

PapaL
12-28-2014, 08:42 PM
Hard to catch the ball when it's not being thrown to you and in the rare case it is thrown to you, it's behind you or in the ground.

thunderkyss
12-28-2014, 08:46 PM
Hard to catch the ball when it's not being thrown to you and in the rare case it is thrown to you, it's behind you or in the ground.

I agree.

Hopkins "disappearance" is not about Hopkins not playing well. Just like Andre's decline this year has nothing to do with his ability.

The QBs obviously clicked with different receivers. Andre missing the offseason program probably had more to do with Fitz clicking with Hop than anything.

CretorFrigg
12-28-2014, 08:49 PM
Hopkins is already better than AJ. Andre Johnson just isn't the same anymore. He's slower, weaker, and prone to fumbling now. He's had his moment and if he doesn't take a pay cut next season, we will be grossly overpaying him next season.

Will Hopkins be better than AJ in his prime? Maybe. He's only in his second season with a shit selection of QBs throwing to him, and he's still producing. I see promise.

welsh texan
12-28-2014, 08:50 PM
Hard to catch the ball when it's not being thrown to you and in the rare case it is thrown to you, it's behind you or in the ground.

It's all down to the QBs trust IMO, Case has his timing down with Dre, while Dhop has barely been able to practice due to injury the last couple of weeks. OTOH AJ skipped the offseason work meaning Fitz didn't have chance to get comfortable with him and DH was the de facto #1 during TC.

I'm hoping they both have great seasons next year as the dual threat, plus Foster to account for makes the D pick their poison when all 3 are on song.

PapaL
12-28-2014, 08:53 PM
I think AJ has definitely declined and lost a step. Doesn't mean he's garbage. AJ was the second fastest man in the NFL. Now? Idk that he's the 2nd fastest on offense on our team. But that's part of being 33.

Wolf
12-28-2014, 08:53 PM
Doesn't AJ have a shit selection throwing to him too?

I just find it weird when case is at the helm. AJ gets touchdowns and is productive and like today he somehow has a 100 yard game.


This isn't an endorsement for Case at the helm. I just wonder why he has a better chemistry with AJ yet our other QBs seem to use him as a decoy

Nitrofish
12-29-2014, 10:39 PM
Hard to catch the ball when it's not being thrown to you and in the rare case it is thrown to you, it's behind you or in the ground.

I assume you mean while Keenum was throwing passes? Johnson had 181 targets in 2013, and is down to 147 in 2014. Hopkins had 127 in 2014.

Hopkins is already better than AJ. Andre Johnson just isn't the same anymore. He's slower, weaker, and prone to fumbling now. He's had his moment and if he doesn't take a pay cut next season, we will be grossly overpaying him next season.

Will Hopkins be better than AJ in his prime? Maybe. He's only in his second season with a shit selection of QBs throwing to him, and he's still producing. I see promise.

While I appreciate your opinion. Hopkins will never posses the physical gifts Johnson has. IMHO Hopkins will never have the career Johnson has had. Very few ever will. I see far less productivity for Hopkins once Johnson is gone and he is drawing all of the double coverages instead of Johnson. Because of that I see injury in the future for Hopkins because he is not as physically gifted as Johnson. Once the team starts riding him like they did Johnson, his smaller frame will not hold up. He looks great in the single coverage afforded to him by Johnson, but let's see what happens when he is the man, and Johnson is gone.

theNumber80
12-29-2014, 11:04 PM
Hopkins disappeared today. Probably cost me a fantasy championship in one of my leagues but that is another story. I have high expectation for Hopkins, but better than Dre? I doubt that.

Yup. Andre in his prime was a top 5-7 WR of all time IMO. Ignore the numbers and just watch him play. Between the 20s he was as good as it gets. There's a reason why the majority of his catches, defenders were at least 5 yards away from him. If he had an elite QB, he would have broken the yardage long before Calvin did(with 200 targets nonetheless).

PapaL
12-29-2014, 11:05 PM
I assume you mean while Keenum was throwing passes? Johnson had 181 targets in 2013, and is down to 147 in 2014. Hopkins had 127 in 2014.


You assume incorrect. I was talking about this last game. You said he disappeared today, I said you can't disappear when the ball isn't thrown accurately to you. Can't blame the WR there.

amazing80
12-30-2014, 10:35 AM
I don't want to hear this for the next 3 years. Typically when Dre has a good game Hopkins won't, and vice-versa. Its the nature of the business, very rarely will they both get lots of passes and yards. This is what happens when you get good players around Dre. His stats drop off, nothing new or exciting about it, just reality.

thunderkyss
02-03-2015, 03:57 PM
BWTB (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/BWTB-Comparing-Dre-and-Nuk/e23ed7c8-9b7b-4168-90b5-3554d7d6531f): Comparing 'Dre and Nuk

YDS REC TD YPG YAC 25 YPC
JOHNSON 2,118 145 10 66.2 934 25 14.6
HOPKINS 2,012 128 8 62.9 574 21 15.7


It's fascinating how similar the stats are. Johnson has a slight edge across the board in all but two categories: yards after the catch (YAC) and yards per catch (YPC). In the former, he has 360 more than Hopkins. In the latter statistic, Hopkins is a yard better per catch than his teammate.

JB
02-03-2015, 05:18 PM
BWTB (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/BWTB-Comparing-Dre-and-Nuk/e23ed7c8-9b7b-4168-90b5-3554d7d6531f): Comparing 'Dre and Nuk

And then went on to compare QB's...

was Carr/Ragone worse than Schaub/Yates/Keenum/Fitz/Mallett/Savage/Keenum?

eriadoc
02-03-2015, 07:07 PM
And then went on to compare QB's...

was Carr/Ragone worse than Schaub/Yates/Keenum/Fitz/Mallett/Savage/Keenum?

I'm not going to disagree with your overriding point, but I will point out yet again that the two of them had the same QB the last two years.

JB
02-03-2015, 08:20 PM
I'm not going to disagree with your overriding point, but I will point out yet again that the two of them had the same QB the last two years.

It was only comparing their first two years in the league

DocBar
02-03-2015, 11:00 PM
And then went on to compare QB's...

was Carr/Ragone worse than Schaub/Yates/Keenum/Fitz/Mallett/Savage/Keenum?Thats like comparing black plague to small pox. WTF???

JB
02-03-2015, 11:02 PM
Thats like comparing black plague to small pox. WTF???

IKR! :handshake:

DocBar
02-04-2015, 12:46 PM
BWTB: Comparing 'Dre and Nuk (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/BWTB-Comparing-Dre-and-Nuk/e23ed7c8-9b7b-4168-90b5-3554d7d6531f)

Four years into a brilliant career, defensive end J.J. Watt is nipping at his heels, fresh off winning a second Defensive Player of the Year award.

But down the line, there's a chance receiver DeAndre Hopkins could enter the discussion.

In year two as a pro, Hopkins finished with 1,210 receiving yards on 76 catches, good for nearly 16 yards per grab. He also hauled in six touchdowns and had a dozen receptions that went for 25 yards or more.

But how does that stack up against Johnson?

infantrycak
02-04-2015, 01:14 PM
Also interesting to note is who threw the balls each receiver's way. In 2003 and 2004 for Johnson, David Carr was under center for the Texans in 28 of those 32 games. Tony Banks also appeared in 12 games during that span, but attempted just a pair of passes in five 2004 contests. Dave Ragone also was a factor in a pair of 2003 games, attempting 40 passes in Johnson's rookie season.

Hopkins, meanwhile, has seen a carousel of quarterbacks in 2013 and 2014. His rookie season began with long-time starter Matt Schaub. In Week 7 of that year, Case Keenumtook over. Sprinkle in 22 pass attempts in three games from T.J. Yates, and Hopkins saw a trio of signal-callers as a rookie.

He says this like Hopkins has been at a disadvantage because of the carousel, but the carousel put up 132 more receptions for 1265 more yds and 11 more TDs.

eriadoc
02-04-2015, 01:22 PM
Yeah, let's not devolve into lunacy here. A young AJ was better than Hopkins is now. Perhaps Hopkins will continue to get even better. You never know. I will say this: AJ never had a season where he put up 16 a catch. That's impressive and represents one area where Hopkins may end up being a real value to the team. He can be a deep threat despite not being a burner. There's value in that.

http://www.footballperspective.com/deandre-hopkins-and-percentage-of-team-receiving-yards/

infantrycak
02-04-2015, 01:32 PM
I will say this: AJ never had a season where he put up 16 a catch.

Going to throw a little caution on this one. Coaches keep seeing big bodied AJ and trying to use him as a RB at WR. They have from day 1. Hopkins had 5 balls thrown to him behind the LOS. AJ had 20. That kills an average.

1st 2 years - AJ 39 (2003-4), Hopkins 7.

silvrhand
02-05-2015, 06:42 PM
Johnson and Hopkins are two completely different type of receivers, the only thing you can compare is their production, everything else really ends there.

Marshall
02-06-2015, 04:35 AM
Johnson and Hopkins are two completely different type of receivers, the only thing you can compare is their production, everything else really ends there.

I love both. But you do have to consider who was opposite AJ when comparing the start of their careers, both the good and the bad. Did AJ get more targets because he didn't have a star opposite him or did he simply get more attention from the defense? Perhaps both. Now Hopkins has the advantage of a distracted defense covering AJ, but it also reduces the number of times he gets targeted.

Whether it is an advantage for either one questionable, but pertinent to any comparison.

I, for one, am glad we have both.

False Start
02-08-2015, 09:21 PM
Dre is my favorite player of all-time. I know that he's not what he used to be, but he's still a BMF. Hopkins has some great skills, and I think he will be a great number one receiver on the Texans for a long time. I see some Pro Bowls in his future.. As far as NUK being better than AJ, he has a long way to go. When he stats breaking some of AJ's records, then he can say he's better than Dre. I seriously doubt that will happen though.

That's all I have to say about that. :forrest:

sandman
02-09-2015, 07:23 AM
I love both. But you do have to consider who was opposite AJ when comparing the start of their careers, both the good and the bad. Did AJ get more targets because he didn't have a star opposite him or did he simply get more attention from the defense? Perhaps both. Now Hopkins has the advantage of a distracted defense covering AJ, but it also reduces the number of times he gets targeted.
Whether it is an advantage for either one questionable, but pertinent to any comparison.

I, for one, am glad we have both.

I'm not sure who you are saying is getting reduced targets. Nuk's targets increased over 33% from 2013, and AJ still had 20 more targets than Nuk. Granted AJ's targets were down from previous years (147 compared to 164/181 last two years) but he also missed almost two full games with the concussion.

Playing all 16 would have had him at the 160 target range, and his career average for a full season is 170. It would have also put him close to 100 receptions and 1,100 yards. But for some reason we seem to look at the down numbers for him and forget that he missed time. His YPC is a direct result of those stupid WR screens and Fitz' inability to hit a receiver in stride.

Marshall
02-09-2015, 07:44 AM
I'm not sure who you are saying is getting reduced targets. Nuk's targets increased over 33% from 2013, and AJ still had 20 more targets than Nuk. Granted AJ's targets were down from previous years (147 compared to 164/181 last two years) but he also missed almost two full games with the concussion.

Playing all 16 would have had him at the 160 target range, and his career average for a full season is 170. It would have also put him close to 100 receptions and 1,100 yards. But for some reason we seem to look at the down numbers for him and forget that he missed time. His YPC is a direct result of those stupid WR screens and Fitz' inability to hit a receiver in stride.

I'm saying Nuk would have gotten even more targets if he played opposite Johnny Journeyman instead of AJ. He would also attract the better coverage people, so the results of this can be debated and should be considered when comparing their early careers.

sandman
02-09-2015, 08:45 AM
I'm saying Nuk would have gotten even more targets if he played opposite Johnny Journeyman instead of AJ. He would also attract the better coverage people, so the results of this can be debated and should be considered when comparing their early careers.

Ah, thanks for the clarification. That is a good debate and shows just how good AJ has been. Just checked the numbers for his career and last year marks only the second time in 12 seasons that anyone else had 70 or more receptions.

SAMURAITEXAN
02-09-2015, 08:56 AM
I think it's a good thing to have a player that has confidence in himself and believing he can be better than a great player like AJ. Keep working hard Nuk!

steelbtexan
02-09-2015, 09:24 AM
Going to throw a little caution on this one. Coaches keep seeing big bodied AJ and trying to use him as a RB at WR. They have from day 1. Hopkins had 5 balls thrown to him behind the LOS. AJ had 20. That kills an average.

1st 2 years - AJ 39 (2003-4), Hopkins 7.

Nuk is a solid, above avg WR.


He couldn't carry a young AJ's jock.

False Start
02-09-2015, 09:24 PM
Nuk is a solid, above avg WR.


He couldn't carry a young AJ's jock.

:yes: :bravo:

Young AJ was freaking Ali:

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/65549571-173f-4946-8ed2-d76d89aebfdd.jpg


Nuk would be Glass Joe or some sh!t:

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/glassjoe060413.jpg

JB
02-09-2015, 09:38 PM
:yes: :bravo:

Young AJ was freaking Ali:

Nuk would be Glass Joe or some sh!t:



:lol:


MSR

DocBar
02-09-2015, 11:28 PM
:yes: :bravo:

Young AJ was freaking Ali:

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/65549571-173f-4946-8ed2-d76d89aebfdd.jpg


Nuk would be Glass Joe or some sh!t:

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/glassjoe060413.jpgUnfortunately, we're not talking about young AJ. We're talking about old, high dollar AJ. There is a difference...

False Start
02-10-2015, 02:09 AM
Unfortunately, we're not talking about young AJ. We're talking about old, high dollar AJ. There is a difference...

Well yeah, I realize that. I was talking about young AJ because steelbtexan brought it up. :)

sandman
02-10-2015, 08:12 AM
Unfortunately, we're not talking about young AJ. We're talking about old, high dollar AJ. There is a difference...

His salary wasn't an issue the previous two years when he went for 220/3000. But he has one year where numbers were low for him and now he is old and overpaid. Considering his personal drama in the offseason, a new regime and the parade of QB's in the second half of the season, how about we see what this season brings.

Let's not forget that in 2005 AND 2006 (with a league high 103 catches) he averaged only 11 yards a catch with HWSNBN but rebounded nicely. With the SEVEN different QB's the last two seasons he has averaged 13 and 11. Again, I'll wait and see how this next season plays out, because one year isn't a trend.

PapaL
02-10-2015, 08:15 AM
His salary wasn't an issue the previous two years when he went for 220/3000. But he has one year where numbers were low for him and now he is old and overpaid. Considering his personal drama in the offseason, a new regime and the parade of QB's in the second half of the season, how about we see what this season brings.

Let's not forget that in 2005 AND 2006 (with a league high 103 catches) he averaged only 11 yards a catch with HWSNBN but rebounded nicely. With the SEVEN different QB's the last two seasons he has averaged 13 and 11. Again, I'll wait and see how this next season plays out, because one year isn't a trend.

You realize that's 10 years ago...or a lifetime ago in the NFL. If there's one thing I give the Patriots credit for, it's how they handle older players and their high salaries. They draft a replacement and start the process of moving on.

infantrycak
02-10-2015, 09:13 AM
You realize that's 10 years ago...or a lifetime ago in the NFL.

You realize it's only 1 year removed from him going 1400 yds and 12.9 ypc with a shit collective 73 QB rating...or one "off" season.

If there's one thing I give the Patriots credit for, it's how they handle older players and their high salaries. They draft a replacement and start the process of moving on.

Not a particularly apt analogy for a WR discussion since they've basically drafted dick for that position. Unless we become like them and have an arguable GOAT at QB, don't think copying them in this regard is a very good idea.

thunderkyss
02-10-2015, 09:55 AM
If there's one thing I give the Patriots credit for, it's how they handle older players and their high salaries. They draft a replacement and start the process of moving on.

I wonder how "free" they would be with their established players if they didn't have Tom Brady.

We don't have Tom Brady. If we did, I can understand letting Andre go... we'll probably win 12 games anyway. But we don't. Let Andre go & we probably win 8, or 7 games instead of 9.

steelbtexan
02-10-2015, 10:32 AM
His salary wasn't an issue the previous two years when he went for 220/3000. But he has one year where numbers were low for him and now he is old and overpaid. Considering his personal drama in the offseason, a new regime and the parade of QB's in the second half of the season, how about we see what this season brings.

Let's not forget that in 2005 AND 2006 (with a league high 103 catches) he averaged only 11 yards a catch with HWSNBN but rebounded nicely. With the SEVEN different QB's the last two seasons he has averaged 13 and 11. Again, I'll wait and see how this next season plays out, because one year isn't a trend.

I wouldn't want to pay 14 mil to see.

steelbtexan
02-10-2015, 10:36 AM
I wonder how "free" they would be with their established players if they didn't have Tom Brady.

We don't have Tom Brady. If we did, I can understand letting Andre go... we'll probably win 12 games anyway. But we don't. Let Andre go & we probably win 8, or 7 games instead of 9.

Depends on who is added in FA/draft.

You're right, with the Texans track record it is better to keep AJ than let Rick Smith lead the team into the unknown, even at 14 mil per yr.

thunderkyss
02-10-2015, 10:39 AM
Depends on who is added in FA/draft.

You're right, with the Texans track record it is better to keep AJ than let Rick Smith lead the team into the unknown, even at 14 mil per yr.

I'm not down with the $16M cap hit Andre will account for this year. I think that needs to come down regardless.

sandman
02-10-2015, 12:58 PM
I wouldn't want to pay 14 mil to see.

Not your choice to make. We all know McNair wants AJ to be the first Texan in the HoF. It means he will be overpaid at the end of his career to make it happen. He isn't going anywhere. We all know this. We just need to accept it and embrace the moment of seeing a generational type player finish out an amazing career.

thunderkyss
02-10-2015, 03:11 PM
Not your choice to make. We all know McNair wants AJ to be the first Texan in the HoF. It means he will be overpaid at the end of his career to make it happen. He isn't going anywhere. We all know this. We just need to accept it and embrace the moment of seeing a generational type player finish out an amazing career.

I don't know about all that.

Andre also said he wants to retire in Houston. He knows this business & how it works.

More than likely they'll work out a deal to lower his cap hit & he'll play at a level on par to what he has the last couple of years... won't be overpaid.

Chances are he won't get much more than a $5M/yr deal anywhere else. We should be willing to pay him as much. Then his cap hit wouldn't be any more than $10M.... which we should be willing to take, that's a $6M saving against the cap as opposed to an $8M savings if we release/trade him.

They may even be able to work out an extension, saving $10M against the cap, so we'll see. But there's nothing that should lead you to believe he'll be "overpaid." The dude can still play.

EllisUnit
02-10-2015, 07:30 PM
You realize it's only 1 year removed from him going 1400 yds and 12.9 ypc with a shit collective 73 QB rating...or one "off" season.



Not a particularly apt analogy for a WR discussion since they've basically drafted dick for that position. Unless we become like them and have an arguable GOAT at QB, don't think copying them in this regard is a very good idea.

WOW slow down on the reality Cak, we all know AJ is old and washed up :kitten:

Texecutioner
02-10-2015, 08:07 PM
You realize it's only 1 year removed from him going 1400 yds and 12.9 ypc with a shit collective 73 QB rating...or one "off" season.


You realize that when players hit their mid 30's at his position it only takes one off season and players can drop off tremendously? I mean hell, the way you and others dismiss the history of that with tons and tons of players kind of makes the entire discussion come off pretty amateurish. Reggie Wayne had a 1,600 yard season two years ago with a rookie at QB, and then has a major injury the very next season. This year he comes back and he's completely done. Moss went from being able to dominate to going to 3 teams in one season in his last year of being a Patriot and then was horrible after that. Completely different guy. In every sport, once guys hit that age range the drop off comes like a ton of bricks most of the time. It isn't some gradual thing that you see for years. To completely dismiss AJ's age and his last season is not a non bias analysis at all. If it wasn't a major concern, then teams would be lining up to trade for him right now to take on him and his contract.

sandman
02-11-2015, 04:13 AM
You realize that when players hit their mid 30's at his position it only takes one off season and players can drop off tremendously? I mean hell, the way you and others dismiss the history of that with tons and tons of players kind of makes the entire discussion come off pretty amateurish. Reggie Wayne had a 1,600 yard season two years ago with a rookie at QB, and then has a major injury the very next season. This year he comes back and he's completely done. Moss went from being able to dominate to going to 3 teams in one season in his last year of being a Patriot and then was horrible after that. Completely different guy. In every sport, once guys hit that age range the drop off comes like a ton of bricks most of the time. It isn't some gradual thing that you see for years. To completely dismiss AJ's age and his last season is not a non bias analysis at all. If it wasn't a major concern, then teams would be lining up to trade for him right now to take on him and his contract.


AJ will be 34 this next season. Yet you want to compare him to a 36 year old Wayne that came off a major injury, and probably the SOFTEST WR to ever play the game in Moss.

And I'm not sure the stats back up your assertion about significant drop off, unless you are defining "mid-30's" as something older than 34/35.

Performances at age 34 for all WR's with 1000+ career receptions:

Jerry Rice - 108/1294
Marvin Harrison - 95/1366
Cris Carter - 90/1231
Tim Brown - 76/1128
Terrell Owens - 81/1355
Reggie Wayne - 106/1355
Isaac Bruce - 75/1098
Hines Ward - 59/755

Ward is the only one that showed a significant production decrease. Bruce was pretty much on his career averages. Brown had a 91/1175 season the next year at age 35. In fact Rice, Carter, Brown and even Owens all had productive seasons between ages 35-37.

Not to mention the guys with career catches between 900-1000 like Mason, Boldin, Monk and Steve Smith who all had 1,000 yard seasons at 34 or older.

These are his peers, and his peer group shows strong inclination of performing very well at age 34 and even older. While this does not guarantee any performance by AJ, if we are going to use your argument the history of the game, the odds are actually in his favor to have a strong season in 2015.

IMHO, you are a bit too eager to dig his grave.

Heath Shuler
02-21-2015, 03:36 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-ZSx8BCcAAEcns.jpg

Hopkins at a signing today, I didn't know he had surgery on his wrist. I thought it was strange he was signing with a cast on that wrist. It seemed painful for him.

Playoffs
02-21-2015, 03:39 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-ZSx8BCcAAEcns.jpg

Hopkins at a signing today, I didn't know he had surgery on his wrist. I thought it was strange he was signing with a cast on that wrist. It seemed painful for him.

Ruh-ruh.... another scaphoid break?

Heath Shuler
02-21-2015, 03:52 PM
Ruh-ruh.... another scaphoid break?

I don't know, the Fiterman rep next to him said something about tendons.

Playoffs
02-21-2015, 04:00 PM
I don't know, the Fiterman rep next to him said something about tendons.

I've got our TTalk team Dr. on it. http://www.animaatjes.de/smileys/smileys-und-emoticons/telefon/smileys-telefon-857381.gif

CloakNNNdagger
02-21-2015, 04:23 PM
Ruh-ruh.... another scaphoid break?

The thumb spica is certainly consistent with a scaphoid fracture. If it were a tendon injury of the hand across the wrist, you would expect his entire thumb (including the distal joint) and/or MCP joints (fist knuckles) of the other digits to be immobilized. If anything, he might have a concommitant ligament injury at the scaphoid bone. The only unlikely tendon I can think of that would require a modified thumb spica cast would be the extensor pollicus (thumb) brevis.....and that wouldn't require a full hand cast pattern......just the thumb side of the wrist.

Hopkins, if anyone remembers was on the Injury Report of Dec 26, and limited in practice that week, with a wrist injury.

DocBar
02-21-2015, 10:24 PM
His salary wasn't an issue the previous two years when he went for 220/3000. But he has one year where numbers were low for him and now he is old and overpaid. Considering his personal drama in the offseason, a new regime and the parade of QB's in the second half of the season, how about we see what this season brings.

Let's not forget that in 2005 AND 2006 (with a league high 103 catches) he averaged only 11 yards a catch with HWSNBN but rebounded nicely. With the SEVEN different QB's the last two seasons he has averaged 13 and 11. Again, I'll wait and see how this next season plays out, because one year isn't a trend.I'm basig my opinion off of how AJ played, not who was throwing the ball. There are much better options in FA and the draft for the money. AJ just flat out looked old last season.

infantrycak
02-21-2015, 10:55 PM
I'm basig my opinion off of how AJ played, not who was throwing the ball. There are much better options in FA and the draft for the money. AJ just flat out looked old last season.

Lol at not looking at who's throwing.

Won't get into "looks old" since that is too subjective.

Name the much better after paying the dead money options. I'll give that one to steelb, he named Cobb. Ain't going to happen but at least it was a credible argument v. Blank is better.

DocBar
02-21-2015, 11:53 PM
Lol at not looking at who's throwing.

Won't get into "looks old" since that is too subjective.

Name the much better after paying the dead money options. I'll give that one to steelb, he named Cobb. Ain't going to happen but at least it was a credible argument v. Blank is better.What? Did Norg hack your account?

JB
02-21-2015, 11:57 PM
What? Did Norg hack your account?

AJ's salary this year is 10.5M, if cut there is a 7.3M dead hit, whose gonna replace him that's better for the 3.2M savings?

Playoffs
02-21-2015, 11:58 PM
The thumb spica is certainly consistent with a...

http://hou.scout.com/story/1519989-deandre-hopkins-has-offseason-hand-procedure?s=116

infantrycak
02-22-2015, 12:19 AM
What? Did Norg hack your account?

Aparntly URs

I guess you had no intelligent response

Vance87
02-22-2015, 02:29 AM
What? Did Norg hack your account?

Lawyer game weak, son...

CloakNNNdagger
02-22-2015, 02:19 PM
http://hou.scout.com/story/1519989-deandre-hopkins-has-offseason-hand-procedure?s=116

This link, if accurate, states that it is a "wrist ligament injury."

The thumb spica is certainly consistent with a scaphoid fracture. If it were a tendon injury of the hand across the wrist, you would expect his entire thumb (including the distal joint) and/or MCP joints (fist knuckles) of the other digits to be immobilized. If anything, he might have a concommitant ligament injury at the scaphoid bone. The only unlikely tendon I can think of that would require a modified thumb spica cast would be the extensor pollicus (thumb) brevis.....and that wouldn't require a full hand cast pattern......just the thumb side of the wrist.

Hopkins, if anyone remembers was on the Injury Report of Dec 26, and limited in practice that week, with a wrist injury.

The above ligament I was referring to above (the SCAPHOLUNATE ligament) is the most commonly injured wrist ligament.

When the ligament is repaired surgically, stabilization is usually affected with multiple pins or a single screw. Depending upon circumstances, these pieces of hardware will be removed at varieable times.........the pins usually ~ 6-8 weeks (a cast will continue to immobilize the wrist until 12 weeks).......the single screw anywhere from 4-6 months, depending if there are any significant associated injuries. Theoretically, return could be a little earlier, if the player continues to be cast stabilized a longer period of time........however, in the case of WR, this would not be practical. Barring complication, most of these injuries require at least 4-5 months to gain optimal range of motion and strength, a significant number of patients may not ultimately be able to regain more than 75% of either.


http://www.akhanddoc.com/S-L%20Illustrations/1B%20Temporary%20Pin%20S-L.jpg

http://www.akhanddoc.com/S-L%20Illustrations/1C%20Temporary%20SLIC%20Screw.jpg

Playoffs
02-22-2015, 11:06 PM
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2015/02/21/texans-deandre-hopkins-had-postseason-wrist-surgery/

... revealed during an interview with Sports Radio 610 in Houston that he had surgery to repair a torn ligament after the season. Hopkins said that he had a pin and rod inserted into the wrist that was set to be removed on Saturday and that he expects to get back to regular activities in a couple of weeks.

Nailed it, Doc. Again.