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Big Lou
09-15-2013, 06:30 PM
Looks Andre's exit was possibly due to a concussion.

I think it happened earlier in the game personally.

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dream_team
09-15-2013, 06:31 PM
Thanks. I was wondering what happened.

DocBar
09-15-2013, 06:35 PM
I read that it was after a Pollard hit early in the 4th. I think AJ had the wind knocked out of him early in the game when he was slow to get up.

Texn4life
09-15-2013, 06:37 PM
In before Doc brings his doom and gloom here. C'mon Doc........ Give me some positivity.

hradhak
09-15-2013, 06:49 PM
They were testing him for a concussion. I saw them do a neuro exam on the field.

That was a cheap shot by Pollard. He should have gotten flagged and I hope he gets suspended. That was a dirty play.

Hopefully AJ will get cleared, but it is a 2 week clearance if he does indeed have a concussion.

Dread-Head
09-15-2013, 06:52 PM
AJ made the catch and the other cat was bringing him down Pollard didn't have to make that hit. Hitting the one receiver in the NFL who doesn't taunt the opposition and is a credit to the NFL AND a former teammate to boot? Pollard is OFFICIALLY a piece of IS HT. He's lost any and all respect I EVER had for him. Hope an offensive lineman "accidentally" whips one of his knees.

toronto
09-15-2013, 06:55 PM
AJ made the catch and the other cat was bringing him down Pollard didn't have to make that hit. Hitting the one receiver in the NFL who doesn't taunt the opposition and is a credit to the NFL AND a former teammate to boot? Pollard is OFFICIALLY a piece of IS HT. He's lost any and all respect I EVER had for him. Hope an offensive lineman "accidentally" whips one of his knees.

Just curious, did you cheer when he did that as a Texan? I'd bet anything you did. I didn't cheer. I think the guy has made a living as a headhunting cheap shot artist his entire career and didn't want him in Nashville.

hradhak
09-15-2013, 06:58 PM
Just curious, did you cheer when he did that as a Texan? I'd bet anything you did. I didn't cheer. I think the guy has made a living as a headhunting cheap shot artist his entire career and didn't want him in Nashville.

I'd be lying if I say I didn't cheer when he did those things. That said I've changed my tune on all players. KJax made a pretty bad hit too. He will probably be fined. Pollard needs to be suspended though since he's a repeat offender. It seems like there are a few players responsible for most of the head hunting.

DocBar
09-15-2013, 07:00 PM
AJ made the catch and the other cat was bringing him down Pollard didn't have to make that hit. Hitting the one receiver in the NFL who doesn't taunt the opposition and is a credit to the NFL AND a former teammate to boot? Pollard is OFFICIALLY a piece of IS HT. He's lost any and all respect I EVER had for him. Hope an offensive lineman "accidentally" whips one of his knees. I hope they come down hard on him, too.

CloakNNNdagger
09-15-2013, 07:00 PM
In before Doc brings his doom and gloom here. C'mon Doc........ Give me some positivity.

I haven't heard of confirmation of a concussion but in the game day thread, I stated that it appeared to me that it was probably the case.

If it is confirmed that AJ suffered a concussion when on that pass reception, he fell on his back while the back of his head bounced hard off the turf.

Of course instead of being transported by cart or at least being carefully escorted off the field to the trainer's area, he was allowed to jog into the tunnel unattended.........something that he would not even be allowed to do until well into the Concussion Protocol.

As I posted in the game day thread, it reminded me of when Ben Tate obviously had a severe ankle injury (multiply fractured as later confirmed) and he was encouraged to walk off the field unsupported when it was obvious that his foot could not support any weight. He collapsed after taking a few steps, at which time the medical staff held him up and put him on the cart.

I've gone through all the concussion implications before in the Deandre Hopkins thread. Most of it will apply to Andre, other than this will apparently be his first formally diagnosed concussion.

No real "doom and gloom." Just that I am very set back by the cavalier approach that has been taken for a potential concussion on one of our so-called most valued players (as per the team's own repeated declarations). Of course, no one should be surprised if AJ does not make it back for a couple of games.

Hervoyel
09-15-2013, 07:03 PM
Bernard Pollard basically exists to injure players who are more talented than he is. I guess everybody is here for a reason.

LikeMike
09-15-2013, 07:04 PM
AJ made the catch and the other cat was bringing him down Pollard didn't have to make that hit. Hitting the one receiver in the NFL who doesn't taunt the opposition and is a credit to the NFL AND a former teammate to boot? Pollard is OFFICIALLY a piece of IS HT. He's lost any and all respect I EVER had for him. Hope an offensive lineman "accidentally" whips one of his knees.

I hate to disagree here, but it was a good hit. Pollard tried to knock the ball loose. If I remember the play correctly he did not hit him in the head and he did not hit him while he was out of bounds. Just a good hard football hit. Andre got hurt when he landed hard on the ground and hit his head.

Oh, and never wish an injury like that to any player - not even Finnegan or Incognito... AJ did the right thing to Finnegan without endangering his career...

HJam72
09-15-2013, 07:07 PM
Pollard did hit him in the head--Pollard's crown to the side of AJ's head when AJ was going out of bounds with another defender tackling him lower. Maybe different plays, but I do know that Pollard did hit him in the head.

DocBar
09-15-2013, 07:09 PM
Just curious, did you cheer when he did that as a Texan? I'd bet anything you did. I didn't cheer. I think the guy has made a living as a headhunting cheap shot artist his entire career and didn't want him in Nashville. I actually miss the good old days when you could go headhunting. The rules today are too sissy-fied.

I've never liked hitting a player that was already tackled. Make the big hit to get the tackle, but don't do it to a player on his way down.

I cheered hard for Pollard when he was with the Texans. I freely admit I'm extremely biased, also.

I think they should come down hard on him because of how the rules are written and it wasn't a big hit to make a play. It was a hit to a guy that was already tackled.

Dread-Head
09-15-2013, 07:09 PM
Just curious, did you cheer when he did that as a Texan? I'd bet anything you did. I didn't cheer. I think the guy has made a living as a headhunting cheap shot artist his entire career and didn't want him in Nashville.

Honestly, I MAY have. I won't pretend I didn't, BUT those cheap shots weren't against men who had been his TEAMMATES for four damn years whom he knows personally. Call me a hypocrite right now if you like. I have no ISSUE with some guy delivering a hard hit. But this one wasn't called for. I hope when they play later this season in Tennessee someone is willing to sacrifice a game check to let Pollard know that cheap shots against the guy who helped pay your salary for 4 years warrant a response.

cstyle42
09-15-2013, 07:09 PM
Just curious, did you cheer when he did that as a Texan? I'd bet anything you did. I didn't cheer. I think the guy has made a living as a headhunting cheap shot artist his entire career and didn't want him in Nashville.

I did! Just like I did when Holliday was returning tds for us just like he just did in denver. I blame Holliday for that not the players blocking lol.

CloakNNNdagger
09-15-2013, 07:09 PM
I also noticed on that play that Schaub's throw appeared to be short and AJ had to stop and turn his body to the ball for it to be catchable against the sideline, putting him in a very vulnerable position when hit no matter what.

toronto
09-15-2013, 07:10 PM
I also noticed on that play that Schaub's throw appeared to be short and AJ had to stop and turn his body to the ball for it to be catchable, putting him in a very vulnerable position when hit no matter what.

I've said that here at work at least 6 times today...QBs are selling their WRs out with poor throws that lead them to get killed.

HJam72
09-15-2013, 07:11 PM
Bernard Pollard basically exists to injure players who are more talented than he is. I guess everybody is here for a reason.

I don't know that I really agree with this, although he does do it. Pollard stuffs the run and minimizes success of the running game, & that is his purpose. He also happens to be careless about fouling defenseless receivers & sometimes QBs.

Antonio Smith is careless about jumping offsides and/or losing his temper, but that's not why McNair pays him.

eriadoc
09-15-2013, 07:16 PM
I hate to disagree here, but it was a good hit. Pollard tried to knock the ball loose. If I remember the play correctly he did not hit him in the head and he did not hit him while he was out of bounds. Just a good hard football hit. Andre got hurt when he landed hard on the ground and hit his head.

You don't.

eriadoc
09-15-2013, 07:19 PM
I also noticed on that play that Schaub's throw appeared to be short and AJ had to stop and turn his body to the ball for it to be catchable against the sideline, putting him in a very vulnerable position when hit no matter what.

Schaub was throwing high all day. In yet another example of how the NFL has changed, that throw was universally blasted by people before they started making all these defensive rule changes. The QB bore some responsibility for hanging his receivers out to dry and giving defenders a free shot at their ribs. Now, defenders are almost completely disallowed from hitting a WR until he's made the catch, landed, and made a football move. I say almost because occasionally the refs let hits like today's slide.

DocBar
09-15-2013, 07:24 PM
Schaub was throwing high all day. In yet another example of how the NFL has changed, that throw was universally blasted by people before they started making all these defensive rule changes. The QB bore some responsibility for hanging his receivers out to dry and giving defenders a free shot at their ribs. Now, defenders are almost completely disallowed from hitting a WR until he's made the catch, landed, and made a football move. I say almost because occasionally the refs let hits like today's slide.Maybe teams or players are willing to risk the high throw to try and draw a penalty? Kinda like throwing into tight man to man hoping for the PI call.

Hervoyel
09-15-2013, 07:24 PM
So AJ hurt his head by hitting the turf too hard with it when he landed?

I always assumed the foundation of Reliant would crack before that happened.

LikeMike
09-15-2013, 07:24 PM
You don't.

Alright, I just rewatched it - to me it looks like Pollards shoulder hits Andre`s shoulder - maybe a little bit of the side of his helmet (though it doesn`t look like it). This is a football hit, this is not a cheapshot. Maybe it is a penalty in todays NFL (I don`t think it is and no flag was thrown) but it was simply a football hit trying to punch the ball out. KJs hit was way worse than that - and that cheap shot on Watt was way worse than that.

Andre got injured on that play, and that sucks, but it wasn`t a dirty play.

CretorFrigg
09-15-2013, 07:27 PM
Alright, I just rewatched it - to me it looks like Pollards shoulder hits Andre`s shoulder - maybe a little bit of the side of his helmet (though it doesn`t look like it). This is a football hit, this is not a cheapshot. Maybe it is a penalty in todays NFL (I don`t think it is and no flag was thrown) but it was simply a football hit trying to punch the ball out. KJs hit was way worse than that - and that cheap shot on Watt was way worse than that.

Andre got injured on that play, and that sucks, but it wasn`t a dirty play.

I agree with this. I'm not a fan of Pollard. He's got a reputation of cheap shots and injuring other players, but I thought it was a legitimate hit. There was no way Pollard could have hit Andre Johnson any other way. Someone else was already tackling Andre, and the only way Pollard could have hit him was up high.

It's just unfortunate that AJ got hurt on that play.

Hervoyel
09-15-2013, 07:27 PM
I don't know that I really agree with this, although he does do it. Pollard stuffs the run and minimizes success of the running game, & that is his purpose. He also happens to be careless about fouling defenseless receivers & sometimes QBs.

Antonio Smith is careless about jumping offsides and/or losing his temper, but that's not why McNair pays him.

I'm not saying he does it on purpose (though I'm sure he hits as hard as he can get away with hitting while staying inside the rules) or even that it is the reason he's paid and on a roster. I'm just kind of kidding about it because it appears to be his first, best destiny.

It is his gift, it is his curse.

If the star of your team is heading for the locker room and Bernard Pollard is on the other sideline chances are he had something to do with that.

DocBar
09-15-2013, 07:28 PM
So AJ hurt his head by hitting the turf too hard with it when he landed?

I always assumed the foundation of Reliant would crack before that happened.Maybe it cracked because it happened..... :kitten:

eriadoc
09-15-2013, 07:29 PM
Alright, I just rewatched it - to me it looks like Pollards shoulder hits Andre`s shoulder - maybe a little bit of the side of his helmet (though it doesn`t look like it). This is a football hit, this is not a cheapshot. Maybe it is a penalty in todays NFL (I don`t think it is and no flag was thrown) but it was simply a football hit trying to punch the ball out. KJs hit was way worse than that - and that cheap shot on Watt was way worse than that.

Andre got injured on that play, and that sucks, but it wasn`t a dirty play.

Go watch it again. He puts a forearm right into AJ's jaw. Now, I'm not one of the ones saying it was a cheap shot or whatever. I don't like it because it's our guy. I don't like it even more because the NFL is wussifying the game. But the new rules state very clearly that you can't hit the head of a defenseless receiver. It's been called against the Texans, so I want it called universally. Or not at all, but that's not going to happen.

Hervoyel
09-15-2013, 07:32 PM
Maybe it cracked because it happened..... :kitten:


:hmmm: .......sounds reasonable....

EllisUnit
09-15-2013, 07:32 PM
I actually miss the good old days when you could go headhunting. The rules today are too sissy-fied.

I've never liked hitting a player that was already tackled. Make the big hit to get the tackle, but don't do it to a player on his way down.

I cheered hard for Pollard when he was with the Texans. I freely admit I'm extremely biased, also.

I think they should come down hard on him because of how the rules are written and it wasn't a big hit to make a play. It was a hit to a guy that was already tackled.

Tru dat ;)

LikeMike
09-15-2013, 07:33 PM
Go watch it again. He puts a forearm right into AJ's jaw. Now, I'm not one of the ones saying it was a cheap shot or whatever. I don't like it because it's our guy. I don't like it even more because the NFL is wussifying the game. But the new rules state very clearly that you can't hit the head of a defenseless receiver. It's been called against the Texans, so I want it called universally. Or not at all, but that's not going to happen.

Maybe - there is no clear camera angle for me to judge this on the NFL highlight clip. Maybe his right arm hit Andre in the jaw. Ive only seen a "swatting"motion that seemed to try to get the ball out. So maybe it was a cheap shot, but from the two angles I get I only see a clean hard hit. By the way, I don`t know if Andre is considered a defensless receiver here.

BullNation4Life
09-15-2013, 07:35 PM
Benard Pollard, that POS. I was sitting in the endzone, 4th row up and saw the play. Pollard should be losing some money this week...

EllisUnit
09-15-2013, 07:36 PM
Benard Pollard, that POS. I was sitting in the endzone, 4th row up and saw the play. Pollard should be losing some money this week...

AND then when AJ is still on the ground that A hole is still over there celebrating. Come on have a little respect.

eriadoc
09-15-2013, 07:36 PM
By the way, I don`t know if Andre is considered a defensless receiver here.

Willing to defer to any refs we have lurking, but judging from past calls, any receiver in the air in the act of catching the football has always been considered defenseless. We've had Texans called for hitting a defenseless receiver in the head with their helmet, shoulder, forearm, and even chest. It's ridiculous, but if those are the rules, then I want them to work the same for our guys as they have against our guys.

BullBlitz
09-15-2013, 07:50 PM
Benard Pollard, that POS. I was sitting in the endzone, 4th row up and saw the play. Pollard should be losing some money this week...

If he were still a Texan everyone would be calling it the other way. Hard hitter, hard-nosed player, tough competitor....at least that used to be the perspective.

thunderkyss
09-15-2013, 07:55 PM
That was a cheap shot by Pollard. He should have gotten flagged and I hope he gets suspended. That was a dirty play.


Made absolutely no sense the ref standing right there didn't flag him for the hit to the head of a defenseless receiver, then says it's incomplete. HE WAS STANDING RIGHT THERE!!!

infantrycak
09-15-2013, 07:55 PM
I agree with this. I'm not a fan of Pollard. He's got a reputation of cheap shots and injuring other players, but I thought it was a legitimate hit. There was no way Pollard could have hit Andre Johnson any other way. Someone else was already tackling Andre, and the only way Pollard could have hit him was up high.

It's just unfortunate that AJ got hurt on that play.

The rule isn't about whether the player could have made the hit another way. It judges only the way the hit is actually made.

People really need to get this rule down - a defenseless player may not be hit in the head or neck area with the head, facemask, shoulder or forearm.

The flag on KJax was correct and one should have been thrown on this play as well.

Tailgate
09-15-2013, 07:59 PM
No big deal. Its football. AJ will be back and be AJ again soon enough.

Mr teX
09-15-2013, 08:00 PM
Cant get mad at pollard...thats what he does...he did it here & we were all cheering....

LikeMike
09-15-2013, 08:02 PM
The rule isn't about whether the player could have made the hit another way. It judges only the way the hit is actually made.

People really need to get this rule down - a defenseless player may not be hit in the head or neck area with the head, facemask, shoulder or forearm.

The flag on KJax was correct and one should have been thrown on this play as well.

Like I said, maybe his right arm hit Andre`s chin - I couldn`t see it from the 2 angles of the highlight clip. But Pollards hit was primarily his shoulder to Andres shoulder. That is legal. If he did some **** with his right arm, then yes, there should?ve been a flag.

Defenseless? Well he did catch the ball and had a foot on the ground and was bracing for impact. I am not sure if that is still a defenseless receiver.

Like I said, maybe it should`ve been a flag with the new rules - but let`s take the homer glasses of. It was not a dirty play and if that was KJ, Keo or Manning we wouldn`t even have that conversation. It was a football play on the edge of the rules.

thunderkyss
09-15-2013, 08:03 PM
If he were still a Texan everyone would be calling it the other way. Hard hitter, hard-nosed player, tough competitor....at least that used to be the perspective.

If he were still a Texan, i'd probably stay out of the conversation. Since he isn't, I'm saying we should have got that call...

It worked out for us, they called it a completion. I don't care if Pollard gets fined, but I sure would have liked to have seen a flag instead of Pollard running his mouth.

infantrycak
09-15-2013, 08:06 PM
Defenseless? Well he did catch the ball and had a foot on the ground and was bracing for impact. I am not sure if that is still a defenseless receiver..

Here is the definition:

A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player;

TexansBull
09-15-2013, 08:20 PM
So AJ hurt his head by hitting the turf too hard with it when he landed?

I always assumed the foundation of Reliant would crack before that happened.

Agreed.

Amazing though he was still able to make the catch after being concussed.



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toronto
09-15-2013, 08:24 PM
Agreed.

Amazing though he was still able to make the catch after being concussed.



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He hit the ground I think then the concussion became 'cemented' imo

BullBlitz
09-15-2013, 08:57 PM
If he were still a Texan, i'd probably stay out of the conversation. Since he isn't, I'm saying we should have got that call...

It worked out for us, they called it a completion. I don't care if Pollard gets fined, but I sure would have liked to have seen a flag instead of Pollard running his mouth.

Exactly. The opinion of many people is based on the uniform that the player happens to be wearing.

DocBar
09-15-2013, 09:06 PM
Exactly. The opinion of many people is based on the uniform that the player happens to be wearing.And your point? :fans:

IDEXAN
09-15-2013, 09:26 PM
Cant get mad at pollard...thats what he does...he did it here & we were all cheering....
How right you are. Little bit of Texans' hypocrisy is showing thru here I'd say.
Local fans loved BP when he was kicking butt and taking names while wearing a Texans uni, so just accept him for the hard-hitting safety he is, OK ?

infantrycak
09-15-2013, 09:44 PM
Cant get mad at pollard...thats what he does...he did it here & we were all cheering....

I am not mad at Pollard but a flag should have been thrown.

What you and others are overlooking with this when he was with us v. now argument is the rule has changed.

False Start
09-15-2013, 11:47 PM
Just saw on Inside The Game OD agrees it was uncalled for.

DocBar
09-15-2013, 11:51 PM
I am not mad at Pollard but a flag should have been thrown.

What you and others are overlooking with this when he was with us v. now argument is the rule has changed.I don't think that has been overlooked. It has actually been discussed.

Showtime100
09-16-2013, 12:04 AM
Made absolutely no sense the ref standing right there didn't flag him for the hit to the head of a defenseless receiver, then says it's incomplete. HE WAS STANDING RIGHT THERE!!!

I began to notice after that play that that particular referee was letting Tennessee get away with holding and pass interference on a number of occasions.

If I remember correctly, there was one play where the Tennessee defender didn't turn around to play the incoming ball AND interfered with Hopkins' attempt at catching the pass.

I was beginning to wonder if that guy was even trying to do his job for his seemingly don't-give-a-damned attitude in general.

silvrhand
09-16-2013, 12:50 AM
Alright, I just rewatched it - to me it looks like Pollards shoulder hits Andre`s shoulder - maybe a little bit of the side of his helmet (though it doesn`t look like it). This is a football hit, this is not a cheapshot. Maybe it is a penalty in todays NFL (I don`t think it is and no flag was thrown) but it was simply a football hit trying to punch the ball out. KJs hit was way worse than that - and that cheap shot on Watt was way worse than that.

Andre got injured on that play, and that sucks, but it wasn`t a dirty play.

You can't launch yourself, Pollard launched himself. In general I thought it was a clean hit, my problem was running around and celebrating a hurt player.

EllisUnit
09-16-2013, 03:31 AM
I began to notice after that play that that particular referee was letting Tennessee get away with holding and pass interference on a number of occasions.

If I remember correctly, there was one play where the Tennessee defender didn't turn around to play the incoming ball AND interfered with Hopkins' attempt at catching the pass.

I was beginning to wonder if that guy was even trying to do his job for his seemingly don't-give-a-damned attitude in general.

i remember the jean one with the same ref, The CB has his hands all over jean and he couldnt even get his hands up to catch the ball.

Showtime100
09-16-2013, 03:35 AM
i remember the jean one with the same ref, The CB has his hands all over jean and he couldnt even get his hands up to catch the ball.

I'll bet we're talking about the same play and I was wrongly thinking Hopkins. Agreed, horrible non-call.

ObsiWan
09-16-2013, 03:38 AM
So AJ hurt his head by hitting the turf too hard with it when he landed?

I always assumed the foundation of Reliant would crack before that happened.

Who says it didn't?
:)

EllisUnit
09-16-2013, 03:48 AM
Exactly. The opinion of many people is based on the uniform that the player happens to be wearing.

i am pretty sure thats how your fandom works as well, sooooo i wouldnt be talking there bull****z.....

thunderkyss
09-16-2013, 09:19 AM
I began to notice after that play that that particular referee was letting Tennessee get away with holding and pass interference on a number of occasions.



I think they consistently were not calling pass interference. The Titans were really bad about it, like they got a memo & we didn't (as far off as our guys were playing). On the one pass thrown to LeStar, he was getting mugged.

thunderkyss
09-16-2013, 09:22 AM
...my problem was running around and celebrating a hurt player.

Yeah, I really didn't like that either. If it were JAG, it wouldn't have bothered me. But this was Pollard, he & Aj were teammates. I generally like Pollard. I love defensive players that "scare" offensive players.

But... have some decency. The most high-character guy this league has seen in a long time is laying on the ground imobile because you just hit him in the head.

This guy who says he won't let his kid play football.

disaacks3
09-16-2013, 09:41 AM
I love big hits. I love when Pollard used to dish them out FOR the Texans.

However...

Shots to the head haven't been acceptable in the NFL for some time. Pollard's forarm to AJ's head will most certainly get a fine.

Hervoyel
09-16-2013, 03:19 PM
Who says it didn't?
:)


Somebody better get Olshan out there to take a look at things. Just to be safe.

Dread-Head
09-16-2013, 03:24 PM
You can't launch yourself, Pollard launched himself. In general I thought it was a clean hit, my problem was running around and celebrating a hurt player.

That was a DIK move on his part and given that he KNOWS the guy he got the cheap shot on. I think next time the Texans PLAY the Titans our DBs shoudl respond in spades but without the "celebration" dance.

Dread-Head
09-16-2013, 03:30 PM
No big deal. Its football. AJ will be back and be AJ again soon enough.

Screw it. Take an elephant's memory into the next game and remember what the Code of Hammurabi says about acts of vengeance:

"An eye for an eye, but if you were to cost a nobleman his eye you forfeit BOTH of yours."
Since Andre in my opinion qualifies as a "nobleman" ...blind the muff-huggas next time they meet. Lay out ONE of ours...two of YOURS get laid out. If the other guy shows up to a fist fight with a knife you bring a gun. Screw it if the Saints old DC wants to bring his unique brand of Defense to the AFC I say give it back and shove it so far up his @$$ he looks like the angel atop a Christmas tree.

badboy
09-16-2013, 03:54 PM
Any new updates on how AJ is?

Playoffs
09-16-2013, 04:10 PM
Any new updates on how AJ is?

Not yet. Schefter is calling it a concussion, but no confirmation from team yet. I'd have to assume it is, but a bit baffled that he jogged into the locker room.

Dread-Head
09-16-2013, 04:13 PM
Not yet. Schefter is calling it a concussion, but no confirmation from team yet. I'd have to assume it is, but a bit baffled that he jogged into the locker room.

Concussions have diffrent degrees of severity.

ChampionTexan
09-16-2013, 04:24 PM
Not yet. Schefter is calling it a concussion, but no confirmation from team yet. I'd have to assume it is, but a bit baffled that he jogged into the locker room.

Then there's the Chronicle, who also have called it a concussion, but went on to add this little bit of info. (no idea where they're claiming to get it from)
Johnson, who managed to hold on to the ball for a key 21-yard gain, was unavailable for comment postgame and underwent protocol tests. Hes expected to be in the lineup when the Texans play at Baltimore next Sunday.
Andre Johnson suffers concussion after vicious blow to head (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/09/andre-johnson-suffers-concussion-after-vicious-blow-to-head/)

Playoffs
09-16-2013, 04:30 PM
It was a concussion, he's in the mandatory protocol.

Rode the bike today.

Gary expects it go quickly based on talking to AJ, but...

Playoffs
09-16-2013, 04:52 PM
It was a concussion, he's in the mandatory protocol.

Rode the bike today.

Gary expects it go quickly based on talking to AJ, but...

Monday presser here: http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2211097#post2211097

ObsiWan
09-16-2013, 06:02 PM
You can't launch yourself, Pollard launched himself. In general I thought it was a clean hit, my problem was running around and celebrating a hurt player.

Yeah, I really didn't like that either. If it were JAG, it wouldn't have bothered me. But this was Pollard, he & Aj were teammates. I generally like Pollard. I love defensive players that "scare" offensive players.

But... have some decency. The most high-character guy this league has seen in a long time is laying on the ground imobile because you just hit him in the head.

This guy who says he won't let his kid play football.

That was a DIK move on his part and given that he KNOWS the guy he got the cheap shot on. I think next time the Texans PLAY the Titans our DBs shoudl respond in spades but without the "celebration" dance.

Let's seeeeee... the Titans' brand new, shiny, <ahem> "Senior Defensive Assistant" is none other than Greg "BountyGate" Williams...

So, given Williams' influence and Pollard's predisposition for wanting to make big hits, are you reeeally surprised the Titans are head-hunting?

My only question is:
How much did Pollard collect for the bounty on A.J.
:thinking:

toronto
09-16-2013, 06:29 PM
Let's seeeeee... the Titans' brand new, shiny, <ahem> "Senior Defensive Assistant" is none other than Greg "BountyGate" Williams...

So, given Williams' influence and Pollard's predisposition for wanting to make big hits, are you reeeally surprised the Titans are head-hunting?

My only question is:
How much did Pollard collect for the bounty on A.J.
:thinking:

No offense, but I'd call Jackson's hit on Wright a hell of a lot worse than Pollards hit - a much clearer headshot on a defenseless WR, and I am no fan of either Williams or Pollard.

infantrycak
09-16-2013, 06:59 PM
From PFT.com:

Ive never seen a more blatant blow to the head, Texans tight end Owen Daniels told the Houston Chronicle. A big miss by the officials, especially for a guy like Andre. I know you have to protect every player, especially someone like him.

Pollard acknowledged after the game that he might get fined for the hit, but he said he thinks defensive players are in a tough position with the NFLs rules.

Its hard for us as defensive players to pick our target, you know, so going high or going low, we aint right. Pollard said. It was a no call but we will see what the front office has to say.

Although Pollard led with his shoulder, not his helmet, on the hit, he did strike Johnson in the helmet at a time when Johnson was in a defenseless posture. That likely means Pollard will get his paycheck docked by the league office.

b0ng
09-16-2013, 07:19 PM
No offense, but I'd call Jackson's hit on Wright a hell of a lot worse than Pollards hit - a much clearer headshot on a defenseless WR, and I am no fan of either Williams or Pollard.

Yeah Jackson's hit was very egregious, but it was flagged and I assume he will be fined. I expect the same for pollard though, especially with his reputation.

EllisUnit
09-16-2013, 07:48 PM
It was a concussion, he's in the mandatory protocol.

Rode the bike today.

Gary expects it go quickly based on talking to AJ, but...

Well **** that means we lost him for the season :pirate:

amazing80
09-16-2013, 08:30 PM
I didn't think his hit was over aggressive, sure he will get fined for launching, but I think the new rules are stupid anyway. Andre didn't get hurt from the hit anyway, his head bounced HARD off the turf and instantly knocked him out for a few seconds. Watch after his head hit the ground, he instantly locks up, after the ball is knocked out he starts to move a little again.

Fined yes
Over aggressive, no

Rey
09-16-2013, 08:40 PM
It was a good hit and pollard was celebrating what he thought was an incomplete pass.

infantrycak
09-16-2013, 08:42 PM
It was a good hit ...

You can keep saying it and it won't change the NFL rules. Even Pollard knows he may be fined.

thunderkyss
09-16-2013, 08:45 PM
Let's seeeeee... the Titans' brand new, shiny, <ahem> "Senior Defensive Assistant" is none other than Greg "BountyGate" Williams...

So, given Williams' influence and Pollard's predisposition for wanting to make big hits, are you reeeally surprised the Titans are head-hunting?

My only question is:
How much did Pollard collect for the bounty on A.J.
:thinking:

I don't have a problem with the head-hunting. Like I said if we're talking about Kj "that's football"

But even Dj had the decency, the humanity to check on the player he just hurt. Dj is a rookie & he didn't know Keller from Adam. Pollard knows Aj & Aj wasn't moving. No class.

EllisUnit
09-16-2013, 09:06 PM
It was a good hit and pollard was celebrating what he thought was an incomplete pass.

Come on rey, we agree upon a lot, but to lead towards the head like that on a player already headed out of bounds is a BS hit, it was a cheap shot, and you dont celebrate while ur former team mate is still laying on the ground hurt. Especially when its a guy like AJ. **** Pollard.

thunderkyss
09-16-2013, 09:21 PM
Instead of trying to take his head off, it would have been more efficient to push Aj out of bounds. He doesn't get his feet inbounds, it doesn't matter if he has control of the ball.

EllisUnit
09-16-2013, 09:31 PM
OK i need to apply for the texans medical staff.

All i need is a bucket of dirt, and all these guys will be much better. Let me get ahold of AJ and you can ask him how he fells after i

"Rub some dirt on it"

CloakNNNdagger
09-16-2013, 10:43 PM
OK i need to apply for the texans medical staff.

All i need is a bucket of dirt, and all these guys will be much better. Let me get ahold of AJ and you can ask him how he fells after i

"Rub some dirt on it"

I think they've already been trying that bucket approach, but they're apparently accidentally using the wrong composition instead............rather a bucket of s#*t.:texflag:

silvrhand
09-17-2013, 08:20 AM
I didn't think his hit was over aggressive, sure he will get fined for launching, but I think the new rules are stupid anyway. Andre didn't get hurt from the hit anyway, his head bounced HARD off the turf and instantly knocked him out for a few seconds. Watch after his head hit the ground, he instantly locks up, after the ball is knocked out he starts to move a little again.

Fined yes
Over aggressive, no

Agreed, I have no problem with the hit, as I think the NFL is going overboard on the rule changes, and not allowing defenses to be physically aggressive in the secondary. It's almost like you have to wait for them to catch, tuck the ball, and then get ready for a hit.

Now defensive players have to judge where to hit, who they can hit.. Anyone remember Manning getting run over by the RB.. RB put his head down but Manning can't really now or didn't realize he could.

The only problem I had was Pollard celebrating when he knew AJ was down, not cool.

Rey
09-17-2013, 08:37 AM
Come on rey, we agree upon a lot, but to lead towards the head like that on a player already headed out of bounds is a BS hit, it was a cheap shot, and you dont celebrate while ur former team mate is still laying on the ground hurt. Especially when its a guy like AJ. **** Pollard.

I don't agree with a single thing you're saying.

Pollard led with the shoulder. He hit aj on the way down. His teammate was already tackling aj, should pollard have hit his teammate instead? It was a good hit. And who cares that he was on the sideline? Because there is no more force out that's even more reason to hit a guy making a catch near the sideline.

And I don't believe pollard was celebrating aj being hurt. It was a big moment in the game, he just made a big hit that he thought caused an incompletion.

Football is physical. Players are emotional.

Pollard shouldn't be fined for that hit. If he is, it'd be a shame.

Rey
09-17-2013, 08:44 AM
Instead of trying to take his head off, it would have been more efficient to push Aj out of bounds. He doesn't get his feet inbounds, it doesn't matter if he has control of the ball.

So you want a guy to run full speed towards AJ's big ass and slow down to "push him"?

What game are we playing? Is this football or what? You do know part of hitting a guy hard is trying to jar the ball loose? Kind of hard to do that with a mere push.

If one of our DB's made the same hit on a WR I'd be cheering that. If a DB did to AJ what Kareem did to Wright I'd be waiting for the fine.

thunderkyss
09-17-2013, 08:44 AM
It was a good hit.


He hit him in the head.... not a good hit.


And who cares that he was on the sideline? Because there is no more force out that's even more reason to hit a guy making a catch near the sideline.


Push him out of bounds, you don't have to hit him trying to separate the ball from the player, just push him out.


And I don't believe pollard was celebrating aj being hurt. It was a big moment in the game, he just made a big hit that he thought caused an incompletion.

Football is physical. Players are emotional.


Aj wasn't moving. Something at sometime should have clicked.


Pollard shouldn't be fined for that hit. If he is, it'd be a shame.


That is exactly the kind of hit a defensive player should be fined for. Aj has a concussion because he was hit in the head as a defenseless receiver.

thunderkyss
09-17-2013, 08:51 AM
So you want a guy to run full speed towards AJ's big ass and slow down to "push him"?

What game are we playing? Is this football or what? You do know part of hitting a guy hard is trying to jar the ball loose? Kind of hard to do that with a mere push.


This is football, no such thing as a mere push. The objective should have been to hit him low, force him out of bounds... & by low I mean lower than the head. Hitting him in the head isn't going to force him out of bounds.

http://cbshouston.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/180648457.jpg?w=420&h=444

It would have probably done what Pollard intended if he put his shoulder on the ball. Either knock the ball out, or keep Andre's second foot from coming down.

PapaL
09-17-2013, 09:39 AM
It easy to arm chair the hit after the fact. I also do not have a problem with the hit. How many DBs has AJ trucked in his career?

infantrycak
09-17-2013, 10:08 AM
It easy to arm chair the hit after the fact. I also do not have a problem with the hit. How many DBs has AJ trucked in his career?

So being a big guy who is hard to bring down justifies illegal hits?

Porky
09-17-2013, 11:01 AM
Is this football or tiddlywinks? Nothing wrong with Pollard's hit. The object is to separate the football from the WR. That appears to be what he was trying to do.

By the letter of the newer rules, it's illegal, but then again they have hamstrung the defense to the point where the average QB can put up 400 yards now. Defenses are now literally "defenseless". If they can no longer play the game in the way it was designed to be played - then might as well fold tent and turn reliant into a year round rodeo arena.

PapaL
09-17-2013, 11:37 AM
So being a big guy who is hard to bring down justifies illegal hits?

Was it flagged on the field?

76Texan
09-17-2013, 12:03 PM
Was it flagged on the field?

Just because there wasn't a flag doesn't make it legal.
You might as well not have a rule if you don't enforce it.

Rey
09-17-2013, 12:22 PM
It would have probably done what Pollard intended if he put his shoulder on the ball. Either knock the ball out, or keep Andre's second foot from coming down.

When pollard initially went for the hit, his teammate was already there.

I guess you want him to tackle his teammate instead of the guy with the ball trying to make the catch.

Andre got hit hard. I understand all of you guys want to kiss his boo boo, but there was nothing wrong with that hit.

76Texan
09-17-2013, 12:27 PM
Just get rid of the freaking rule then.
That's all I ask.

thunderkyss
09-17-2013, 12:49 PM
Just get rid of the freaking rule then.
That's all I ask.

Andre Johnson has a concussion.

These rules are in place so that guys don't get concussions.

Don't hit him in the head, that's all I'm saying. If you don't like the rule, if you "can't play like that" don't play.

I'm not calling him dirty. I'm not calling Kj dirty. I'm calling it stup1d & against the rules.

http://cbshouston.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/180648457.jpg?w=420&h=444

IF Pollard puts his shoulder on the ball, the hit is just as violent... it's still football. It's not about wussifying the game, it's about protecting the players.

76Texan
09-17-2013, 12:55 PM
Even Pollard knows that his hit was illegal.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/16/andre-johnson-has-concussion-bernard-pollard-may-be-fined/

PapaL
09-17-2013, 01:04 PM
Just because there wasn't a flag doesn't make it legal.
You might as well not have a rule if you don't enforce it.

The call on the field was a LEGAL hit. What we feel and MIGHT be reviewed doesn't matter. The ref that was standing right there called it legal. We can "bellyache" and moan all we want but he didn't get flagged for an illegal hit.

---

Oh but it's his former teammate. It's Andre Johnson, he's a nice guy. Who gives a sh!t? He's the opponent, he has the ball, make a play. To those that say oh he should have done this or he should have done that - what a crock of crap. Instincts are to hit the guy and prevent him from scoring. Not to try and persuade the guy to step out of bounds at the 3 yard line.

I wish all former Texans the best of luck. The week we play them, I hope we light their asses up and make them wish they had never left.

PapaL
09-17-2013, 01:06 PM
Even Pollard knows that his hit was illegal.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/16/andre-johnson-has-concussion-bernard-pollard-may-be-fined/

Where does he acknowledge it was illegal?

Its hard for us as defensive players to pick our target, you know, so going high or going low, we aint right. Pollard said. It was a no call but we will see what the front office has to say.
.

beerlover
09-17-2013, 01:07 PM
AJ will be fine not his 1st rodeo. Would like someone to ask him in this situation, when he knows & braces for contact, how does he prepare his body for impact? In a split second what races through his mind, maintaining possession, protecting his body what? All this talk of concussion prevention yet no information how to protect your body in what are inevitable lock-out situations like this?

76Texan
09-17-2013, 01:10 PM
Where does he acknowledge it was illegal?

Never mind.

:fostering:

thunderkyss
09-17-2013, 01:21 PM
The call on the field was a LEGAL hit. What we feel and MIGHT be reviewed doesn't matter. The ref that was standing right there called it legal. We can "bellyache" and moan all we want but he didn't get flagged for an illegal hit.


This argument would hold more water if they didn't overturn his call, that that was an incomplete pass. He was standing right there & he called it an incompletion.

It was challenged, it was overturned, proving the guy wasn't as qualified as we were led to believe.


---

Oh but it's his former teammate. It's Andre Johnson, he's a nice guy. Who gives a sh!t? He's the opponent, he has the ball, make a play. To those that say oh he should have done this or he should have done that - what a crock of crap. Instincts are to hit the guy and prevent him from scoring. Not to try and persuade the guy to step out of bounds at the 3 yard line.


If he's going to hit him, hit him. But do so within the rules. I'm not mad at Pollard for doing what he did, like I said I'm not calling him dirty, I'm not calling the play dirty. I am saying it was an illegal hit.

As far as being teammates.... that's just about how he was acting after the hit. You wanna celebrate a big play... fine. You wanna pump your team up & inspire them... great.

But when you see a guy not moving... with trainers all around him.... I mean, they stopped play for a reason. You weren't going up to the LOS for a reason. That's all I'm saying. At some point you should stop the hoop'n & holler'n & think about your fellow gladiator & show him some respect.

They teach that in pony league... all the players take a knee.

clutch
09-17-2013, 01:27 PM
He went for the ball..good clean hit..should not be fined..nice job on AJs part for holding on to the ball..

Fico
09-17-2013, 01:28 PM
The hit may have been illegal, but I do not believe it was intentional. Aggressive, hard hitting has always been Pollard's style. In the defense of the defender he went for the hit as Andre was falling down, therefore his head was lower at the point of contact than it was at the initiation point of the hit.

By the rules it should have been a penalty, he will be fined. Was it dirty? No. Was it a "Football Play"? Yes.

eriadoc
09-17-2013, 01:31 PM
He went for the ball..good clean hit..should not be fined..nice job on AJs part for holding on to the ball..

If by "good clean hit" you mean forearm to the chops, then yeah, that's it. But since forearm to the chops is against the rules, no matter how much we hate the rule, he's going to be fined. Now, if you're saying there was no forearm to the chops, then you need to check your TV for clarity.

Dread-Head
09-17-2013, 03:42 PM
When I learned the game of football that hit was perfectly legal. It was still a cheap shot to tag a guy while your teammate was already bring him down, but it was legal. I didn't like Pollard dancing around like a drag queen at the pride parade after the hit in question. I found it ODIOUS and think the Texan DBs need to give 10x worse to the Titan receivers to let it be known to the Titan secondary that you don't (bleep) with AJ without reprocussions.

Dread-Head
09-17-2013, 03:51 PM
The hit may have been illegal, but I do not believe it was intentional. Aggressive, hard hitting has always been Pollard's style. In the defense of the defender he went for the hit as Andre was falling down, therefore his head was lower at the point of contact than it was at the initiation point of the hit.

By the rules it should have been a penalty, he will be fined. Was it dirty? No. Was it a "Football Play"? Yes.

:headhurts: Wasn't intentional? When he saw AJ NOT getting up he danced around like a 3:tch. If that hit wasn't intentional Bill doesn't go to strip clubs, I prefer flat-chested blonde women, Cak doesn't read much and Porky & Red Zone are fire breathing liberals.

Speedy
09-17-2013, 04:17 PM
The call on the field was a LEGAL hit. What we feel and MIGHT be reviewed doesn't matter. The ref that was standing right there called it legal. We can "bellyache" and moan all we want but he didn't get flagged for an illegal hit.

LMAO!! Because officials never miss anything. They had TWO calls overturned by replay just in that game. Just because it wasn't called doesn't mean jack.

infantrycak
09-17-2013, 04:29 PM
LMAO!! Because officials never miss anything. They had TWO calls overturned by replay just in that game. Just because it wasn't called doesn't mean jack.

Yup. After week 1 this season there were 4 or 5 fines for unflagged personal fouls.

EllisUnit
09-17-2013, 04:31 PM
So you want a guy to run full speed towards AJ's big ass and slow down to "push him"?

What game are we playing? Is this football or what? You do know part of hitting a guy hard is trying to jar the ball loose? Kind of hard to do that with a mere push.

If one of our DB's made the same hit on a WR I'd be cheering that. If a DB did to AJ what Kareem did to Wright I'd be waiting for the fine.

The forearm to the head of AJ, i dont think AJs helmet was holding the ball. Was not a clean legal hit. Atleast the guy KJ hit wasnt already on his way down OUT OF BOUNDS.

thunderkyss
09-17-2013, 04:32 PM
He went for the ball..good clean hit..

http://cbshouston.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/180648457.jpg?w=420&h=444


Someone tell Andre to stop carrying the ball in his ear-hole.


When I learned the game of football that hit was perfectly legal.

We need to stop thinking like this. We weren't aware of the long term damage these hits cause. We are now. & it's not just for the offensive players.

http://media.utsandiego.com/img/photos/2012/09/15/seauphotos_r420x280.jpg?ca0e922ee927eb2e02de37a91d 76a7b88ee18120

This guy laid the wood & suffered the same long-term effects.

Fico
09-17-2013, 05:01 PM
:headhurts: Wasn't intentional? When he saw AJ NOT getting up he danced around like a 3:tch. If that hit wasn't intentional Bill doesn't go to strip clubs, I prefer flat-chested blonde women, Cak doesn't read much and Porky & Red Zone are fire breathing liberals.

His dancing had to with the ball coming out. Don't be obtuse.

Pollard had the upmost respect for Andre. Pollards role is that of enforcer, that has been his role every stop in his career. He intentionally tried to knock the crap out or Andre and force him to drop the ball. I do not think he intended to hit him in the head nor do I believe his intent was to injure AJ.

thunderkyss
09-17-2013, 05:05 PM
His dancing had to with the ball coming out. Don't be obtuse.

Dj Swearinger celebrated his big hit on Keller. But when he saw the man was hurt, his demeanor changed.

If a rookie can show as much respect for a man he doesn't know, is it too much to ask of a former teammate?

Fico
09-17-2013, 05:08 PM
Dj Swearinger celebrated his big hit on Keller. But when he saw the man was hurt, his demeanor changed.

If a rookie can show as much respect for a man he doesn't know, is it too much to ask of a former teammate?

Pollard said he expects to get fined.... Just because he didn't make a public apology to AJ we assume he was happy to injure him.

Pollards hit and the subsequent incompletion were much more important than a meaningless tackle in a preseason game.

Swearinger was probably thinking, man that sucks I just ruined this guys year in meaningless game.

Pollard was probably thinking he just gave his team a pretty good chance to win the game, a game that counted.

Double Barrel
09-17-2013, 06:00 PM
Pollard is an old-school player in a new-rule league.

That hit was legal - and celebrated on ESPN - when Pollard came into the league.

Now it's illegal.

People claim the league is getting pussified. Tell that to Andre Johnson.

Just because something is illegal does not mean it's going away.

EllisUnit
09-17-2013, 07:19 PM
Pollard said he expects to get fined.... Just because he didn't make a public apology to AJ we assume he was happy to injure him.

Pollards hit and the subsequent incompletion were much more important than a meaningless tackle in a preseason game.

Swearinger was probably thinking, man that sucks I just ruined this guys year in meaningless game.

Pollard was probably thinking he just gave his team a pretty good chance to win the game, a game that counted.

It dont matter, when "most" players see an opponent is down the generally stop celebrating.

Fico
09-17-2013, 07:46 PM
It dont matter, when "most" players see an opponent is down the generally stop celebrating.

It matters... and its not like he was celebrating non stop from the hit to the locker room.

I am sure once he realized it was more than AJ being shook up he stopped.

The fact is everyone here is speculating, myself included. All I am saying is that there is nothing to suggest there was any mal intent with the hit, other than trying to separate a big strong player from the ball.

If people want to be upset over it that is fine, but everyone of us would have taken the "celebration", fine, even the non-existent penalty if it kept a Titan WR from catching the ball if the rolls were reversed.

thunderkyss
09-17-2013, 08:34 PM
The fact is everyone here is speculating, myself included. All I am saying is that there is nothing to suggest there was any mal intent with the hit, other than trying to separate a big strong player from the ball.


It's not about intent. We're saying it's against the rules, should be flagged, should be fined.


If people want to be upset over it that is fine, but everyone of us would have taken the "celebration", fine, even the non-existent penalty if it kept a Titan WR from catching the ball if the rolls were reversed.

I think we'd all agree it was classless, but it wouldn't get much discussion here, we'd just move on.

EllisUnit
09-17-2013, 08:46 PM
It's not about intent. We're saying it's against the rules, should be flagged, should be fined.



I think we'd all agree it was classless, but it wouldn't get much discussion here, we'd just move on.

Exactly the whole point of this is it should of been a penalty

idymoe
09-18-2013, 09:58 AM
Retweet from Nick Matthews via the comical

https://twitter.com/Nick_Mathews/statuses/380318397302460416

TexansBlood
09-18-2013, 10:07 AM
Bernard Pollard fined $42K for hit.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9688038/bernard-pollard-tennessee-titans-tweets-was-fined-42k-hit

Bulls on Parade
09-18-2013, 11:00 AM
He went for the ball..good clean hit..should not be fined..nice job on AJs part for holding on to the ball..
That was one of the dirtiest hits that I've seen in a long time. The league fined Bernard Pollard $42,000 but I feel he got away with a mere slap on the wrist. I have seen a similar hit in high school football where the kid was paralyzed for life on a similar play. That type of dirty and illegal hit is certainly nothing to sneeze over. I'm glad Andre Johnson is going to be alright and only suffered a mild concussion.

Fico
09-18-2013, 11:17 AM
It's not about intent. We're saying it's against the rules, should be flagged, should be fined.



I think we'd all agree it was classless, but it wouldn't get much discussion here, we'd just move on.

I guess that is my disconnect then.

I absolutely think it should be fined, it was, and I think it should have been flagged based on the rules in place.

I do not think it was classless, dirty, or delivered with mal intent. Pollard is a hard hitting player with an old school mentality playing in era with new rules. He gets flagged and fined for hits that deserve it, according to the rules, but lets not act like he is a dirty player like Suh.

I mean KJax is going to be fined for his hit,and he was flagged but I don't think that was "dirty" either.

Playoffs
09-18-2013, 12:55 PM
Jeff Zrebiec ‏@jeffzrebiecsun
Texans coach Gary Kubiak said WR Andre Johnson (concussion) "should be ready to go"

thunderkyss
09-18-2013, 01:27 PM
I do not think it was classless, dirty, or delivered with mal intent. Pollard is a hard hitting player with an old school mentality playing in era with new rules. He gets flagged and fined for hits that deserve it, according to the rules, but lets not act like he is a dirty player like Suh.

I mean KJax is going to be fined for his hit,and he was flagged but I don't think that was "dirty" either.

I don't think the hit was classless. I think the extended celebration was classless. When it was obvious that Aj was laying on the ground motionless, he should have stopped.

toronto
09-18-2013, 01:55 PM
That was one of the dirtiest hits that I've seen in a long time. The league fined Bernard Pollard $42,000 but I feel he got away with a mere slap on the wrist. I have seen a similar hit in high school football where the kid was paralyzed for life on a similar play. That type of dirty and illegal hit is certainly nothing to sneeze over. I'm glad Andre Johnson is going to be alright and only suffered a mild concussion.

That hit doesn't even make Pollards top ten dirtiest hits list.

Rey
09-18-2013, 03:35 PM
Yeah, I'm done.

Never figured it'd be a hit on one of our own guys that'd do it, but that was a good football play and he didn't use his helmet. He went in with a shoulder. I'm not trying to make any statements, but it just clicked. Not interested anymore. Plus I can spend my Sundays doing something else which is actually exciting to think about.

DBCooper
09-18-2013, 03:39 PM
Yeah, I'm done.

Never figured it'd be a hit on one of our own guys that'd do it, but that was a good football play and he didn't use his helmet. He went in with a shoulder. I'm not trying to make any statements, but it just clicked. Not interested anymore. Plus I can spend my Sundays doing something else which is actually exciting to think about.

Welcome to the Hotel California..........

Rey
09-18-2013, 03:46 PM
Welcome to the Hotel California..........

LOL.

Nah...I know I'll hear about the games and I'm going to get a lot of what's wrong with you's....but I'm letting it go. Seriously no longer interested.

Double Barrel
09-18-2013, 04:38 PM
"....you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave..." :whistle:

klockWork
09-18-2013, 06:25 PM
That was one of the dirtiest hits that I've seen in a long time.

LOL. I'm sure teammates headbutt each other coming out of the tunnel is more violent than that. I thought it was a good football hit but a forearm to the head area is technically illegal and that's what I saw from the replay. No problem with folks crying foul play.

But I don't think that hit was dirty and it wasn't the cause to the concussion. AJ momentum was taking him to the ground hard and he couldn't protect himself because of his focus to catch the ball. IMHO any contact whether it's to the head or body would've cause AJ to slam to the ground and cause an injury.

On his celebration after the play, initially it was about the incompletion, then when he realized AJ hadn't gotten up yet he continued celebrating. Jerk move.

ziggy29
09-18-2013, 11:37 PM
LOL. I'm sure teammates headbutt each other coming out of the tunnel is more violent than that. I thought it was a good football hit but a forearm to the head area is technically illegal and that's what I saw from the replay. No problem with folks crying foul play.

That's what I saw. He definitely didn't lead with his head but with the shoulder. It would have been a clean and legal hit if he didn't raise his forearm onto AJ's head.

As for AJ, I get a little worried about the thought of him coming back too soon from this. I keep hearing voices in my head, saying "Al Toon"....

HJam72
09-19-2013, 03:11 AM
That's what I saw. He definitely didn't lead with his head but with the shoulder. It would have been a clean and legal hit if he didn't raise his forearm onto AJ's head.

As for AJ, I get a little worried about the thought of him coming back too soon from this. I keep hearing voices in my head, saying "Al Toon"....

That's how I feel about it. I originally thought it was helmet-to-helmet, but it was his forearm/elbow that got AJ in the side of the helmet. Fact is he couldn't hit any part of AJ, but his helmet anyway, so he shouldn't have even hit him. Mainly, he never should've raised that elbow.

I wouldn't call it blatant, but there should've been a flag, just like on the K-Jax hit.