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Mr.Scarface
09-15-2013, 03:55 PM
Now Hiring: A short man with powerful, accurate leg. Must be able to kick a football. Experienced preferred. Apply at Kirby Drive, Reliant Stadium. Ask for Gary or Rick.

Thorn
09-15-2013, 03:57 PM
It would be quite an understatement to say I'm disappointed in Bullock.

Scarecrow
09-15-2013, 03:58 PM
You guys might need to start worrying about Foster also, looks really malcontent and isn't exactly getting any younger.

Hervoyel
09-15-2013, 03:59 PM
Yeah. Kickers are not something to get sentimental about. He is a 5th round pick who isn't working out. Those were long kicks but the number of misses (those counted and the ones that got iced by Munchak) are hard to ignore. The Texans need to be investigating free agent kickers tomorrow. Maybe even later today.

Bullock isn't going to cut it.

Mr. Texan
09-15-2013, 04:00 PM
dude is blowin it.

but he's still young and an aggie so he isn't going anywhere

sandmanx
09-15-2013, 04:02 PM
I wonder how long a leash he's going to get. 20% is pitiful. I know the misses were fairly long but an NFL kicker should be at least 50% from 50+ yards.

CretorFrigg
09-15-2013, 04:03 PM
It would be quite an understatement to say I'm disappointed in Bullock.

I am disappointed as well, but kickers need time to progress as well. I remember watching Matt Prater as a rookie playing for Denver. Fans were calling for his head because he kept missing kicks.

Prater's now regarded as one of the "elite" kickers in the league. So I'm willing to stick with Bullock for a bit and see what he has. He obviously has the leg strength, and that's already half of what he needs as a kicker.

Hervoyel
09-15-2013, 04:04 PM
dude is blowin it.

but he's still young and an aggie so he isn't going anywhere

I don't think his age or the "Aggie Connection" will save him. That stuff has to be more or less automatic and he's a train wreck back there. We've seen kickers sent packing for far less than he's done in just two weeks. Maybe last weeks game winner buys him some more time but look in his eyes. That young man is thinking too much and he's going to keep missing. There's not a doubt in my mind that the Texans coaches are thinking the same thing.

I bet Bullock doesn't make it two more weeks without some incredible, unforeseen change in his performance

Mr.Scarface
09-15-2013, 04:04 PM
You guys might need to start worrying about Foster also, looks really malcontent and isn't exactly getting any younger.

Foster ran hard in the 4th quarter.

Seegara
09-15-2013, 04:06 PM
Today confirms that last year's injury wasn't the cause of Bullock's inaccuracy. We must find a kicker or it's going to be a long season (which it may be anyway.) But he should be cut even before somebody else is found.

EllisUnit
09-15-2013, 04:06 PM
You guys might need to start worrying about Foster also, looks really malcontent and isn't exactly getting any younger.

Foster gets better with more carries, he always has and he did towards the end here as well. We are ok !

TexanSam
09-15-2013, 04:07 PM
I am disappointed as well, but kickers need time to progress as well. I remember watching Matt Prater as a rookie playing for Denver. Fans were calling for his head because he kept missing kicks.

Prater's now regarded as one of the "elite" kickers in the league. So I'm willing to stick with Bullock for a bit and see what he has. He obviously has the leg strength, and that's already half of what he needs as a kicker.

I would give him one more game. Two at most.

Showtime100
09-15-2013, 04:08 PM
You guys might need to start worrying about Foster also, looks really malcontent and isn't exactly getting any younger.

I'm not worried about Foster. Look at the game in San Diego then re-watch this one. The guy, imo, hardly even looked like the same running back. I see even more improvement to come as he gets more in-game reps. I do loves me some Tate, though.

Playoffs
09-15-2013, 04:09 PM
Looks like Randy has developed what they call in golf a two-way miss -- has to take one side out of it.

PapaL
09-15-2013, 04:12 PM
Texans Twitter:

"He's got to be a pro and bounce back. He's our kicker and we have confidence in him." Kubiak on @randybullock28

PockyAF
09-15-2013, 04:13 PM
Any list of FA kickers.. including UDFA that's caught anyone eyes?

Hervoyel
09-15-2013, 04:19 PM
Texans Twitter:

"He's got to be a pro and bounce back. He's our kicker and we have confidence in him." Kubiak on @randybullock28

Understand. Meaningless though. I wouldn't expect him to say anything else for another week, maybe two. If this continues they'll go in another direction. Too much riding on this season. The Texans think they're going to contend for a Super Bowl appearance this year. Bad kicking isn't going to allowed to derail that I don't think.

ATXtexanfan
09-15-2013, 04:19 PM
Take it easy. Not like we lost

fiasco west
09-15-2013, 04:20 PM
I'll say it here too, even specialist have to have some time to get used to the pressure of the NFL.

He has the distance at least, they aren't sending him out there for 50 yard kicks if he's missing it in practice.

stingray
09-15-2013, 04:24 PM
He''ll be ok.

stingray
09-15-2013, 04:26 PM
Where we need the help wanted sign is for the OLB spot. B. Reed and Mercilus are not getting to the QB. All the pressure is coming from the interior line.

PockyAF
09-15-2013, 04:28 PM
Where we need the help wanted sign is
your ****ing kidding right?

Showtime100
09-15-2013, 04:33 PM
I'm certainly not about to give up on the kid after this short time. Obviously the leash is getting shorter because, as Herv said, we have a lot riding on this year. We can't afford to call the 1-yard line to place to get for Bullock to get into FG range. He'll come around. We know he has the foot.

As we speak I'll bet he's in the film room, at the players request, watching Dre's beatdown on Courtney Innegan with the players whispering in his ear "next week...no pressure....but.........."

:bender:

PapaL
09-15-2013, 04:51 PM
Understand. Meaningless though. I wouldn't expect him to say anything else for another week, maybe two. If this continues they'll go in another direction. Too much riding on this season. The Texans think they're going to contend for a Super Bowl appearance this year. Bad kicking isn't going to allowed to derail that I don't think.

Concur. This isn't the week tho. We've carried him too long to cut him after 3 long range misses. One bad game happens, two bad games and it's a trend.

stingray
09-15-2013, 04:52 PM
your ****ing kidding right?

Kidding? No I'm not. Maybe you are watching different players but what has Brooks reed And Mercilus done to get to the QB? Both can't shed blocks to save their lives. Reed in my opinion is more suited to be an inside LB because as an OLB, he aint getting it done.

gtexan02
09-15-2013, 05:07 PM
Cut him immediately. Kickers really have one job to do. It's the easiest player to replace.
He's already missed 4 kicks this season. There were 11 kickers who missed less than 4 kicks all of last year.

fiasco west
09-15-2013, 05:14 PM
I don't think his age or the "Aggie Connection" will save him. That stuff has to be more or less automatic and he's a train wreck back there. We've seen kickers sent packing for far less than he's done in just two weeks. Maybe last weeks game winner buys him some more time but look in his eyes. That young man is thinking too much and he's going to keep missing. There's not a doubt in my mind that the Texans coaches are thinking the same thing.

I bet Bullock doesn't make it two more weeks without some incredible, unforeseen change in his performance

Yes, I think 30 yarders are supposed to be automatic, but not 50 yard kicks. Not many kickers can knock down 50 yard kicks, you can probably count them on one hand.

PapaL
09-15-2013, 05:16 PM
I heard Randy Bullock went home mad and kicked his dog. Luckily, it was wide right.

noxiousdog
09-15-2013, 05:17 PM
Yes, I think 30 yarders are supposed to be automatic, but not 50 yard kicks. Not many kickers can knock down 50 yard kicks, you can probably count them on one hand.

Wrong. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/kicking/sort/fieldGoalsMade50/year/2012)

dalemurphy
09-15-2013, 05:38 PM
The guy his hitting the ball very well.... I would be down on him otherwise. I think he is going to be great if he can get through this early psychological hurdle created by some unusual circumstances .. We will see. I sure wouldn't cut him for a street vet u less he falls apart . His kickoffs are amazing. He has a great leg!

Brisco_County
09-15-2013, 05:42 PM
It's his second game ever in the NFL, and he was missing from 50 yards out. People need to chill.

LikeMike
09-15-2013, 05:49 PM
It's his second game ever in the NFL, and he was missing from 50 yards out. People need to chill.

A kicker being 1 of 5 after his first two games is a reason for concern. Lots of kickers don`t miss 4 kicks in a whole season. Like I said, if he can handle the pressure, give him another game. If he crumbles under the pressure we should call some veterans. We want a title run, we can`t wait for our kicker to turn it around. He almost cost us the game today.

eriadoc
09-15-2013, 05:49 PM
It's his second game ever in the NFL, and he was missing from 50 yards out. People need to chill.

He's 1 for 4. He doesn't play for a team on the rise. He plays for a team that has SB aspirations, and therefore need a clutch kicker. The extra misses on the iced attempts didn't help anyone's confidence level.

Dread-Head
09-15-2013, 06:02 PM
Okay our "rookie" kicker out of A&M missed TWO out of THREE in SanDiego and missed THREE out of THREE today. I KNOW I couldn't kick a field goal, but I'm also not being PAID to do so. One of the field goals he missed could have had us up 10 to 7. Had he made both the Texans would have lead 18 to 14 at one point. Had he made JUST ONE of the three there would have been NO NEED FOR AN OVERTIME! Here's what we know. As a kicker you don't:

a. Have to throw, catch or RUN with the football.
b. tackle if you don't really want to.

You have ONE responsibility to LAUNCH the ball down field over a 10 foot horizontal beam and through two vertical beams attached to it. THAT'S IT! THAT is your entire JOB! Are you expected to be PERFECT at it? Nope the only "perfect" individual who ever lived wound up being crucified. Can you expect to keep your job with a 33% success ratio one week and a 0% success rate the FOLLOWING week?

Like I said. I CAN NOT KICK A FIELD GOAL. and won't pretend I can, but I'm also not in the NFL. Who should the Texans pick up to replace this mook? He needs to be GONE.

hradhak
09-15-2013, 06:03 PM
I agree that he needs to be doing better, but let's not forget that most of his misses were from around 50 yards. Those are tough kicks to make for even the better kickers.

If he starts missing from 30 yards out, we need to be looking in a different direction.

utahmark
09-15-2013, 06:12 PM
There have been some really good kickers who had a little trouble there first few games then turned it around and became great. Let's give him a little more time.

HJam72
09-15-2013, 06:15 PM
Maybe we should thank him for making Kubiak open the playbook. :kubepalm:

Dread-Head
09-15-2013, 06:15 PM
There have been some really good kickers who had a little trouble there first few games then turned it around and became great. Let's give him a little more time.


Fair enough, but if he looks as bad next week I'm starting an online petition to not only have him booted from the Texans but to not allow him TO WATCH football anymore.

HJam72
09-15-2013, 06:16 PM
Yeah, he really shouldn't be allowed to watch football.

eriadoc
09-15-2013, 06:25 PM
I agree that he needs to be doing better, but let's not forget that most of his misses were from around 50 yards. Those are tough kicks to make for even the better kickers.

If he starts missing from 30 yards out, we need to be looking in a different direction.

He's missed all four 50 yarders he's attempted. Average kickers will make at least one, probably two. Furthermore, he was kicking in beautiful weather with no wind and no precipitation. If the Texans chances to go to the playoffs are resting on Bullock's leg in Nashville on Dec. 29th, how's that going to make us all feel? Or how about the chance to advance in the playoffs on the road in Foxboro or Baltimore or Denver?

This is the NFL. I'm not interested in making or hearing excuses for the guy. If these were kicks in the rain or snow or wind (or a combination), I'd be listening. But they weren't. He needs to have made a couple of those.

fiasco west
09-15-2013, 06:55 PM
Wrong. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/kicking/sort/fieldGoalsMade50/year/2012)

Doesn't disprove my point though. I didn't say just making a 50 yard kick, I said knocking them down as if it's some automatic thing and to be expected. It's not. He missed difficult kicks, it's not like he missed chip shots.

A lot of those guys aren't taking many of them. Some of the best ones (Zurlein...) has missed about half of them.

Marcus
09-15-2013, 07:35 PM
your ****ing kidding right?

Why wouldn't he be? This whole ****ing thread is a joke. Bullock ain't going anywhere.

Dishman
09-15-2013, 07:36 PM
Is Tony Zendejas available? :kitten:

http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvcrime/files/import/12009-zendejas.jpg

DocBar
09-15-2013, 07:44 PM
Is Tony Zendejas available? :kitten:

http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvcrime/files/import/12009-zendejas.jpgI'm sure he is but an extra point would be a challenge at his age. :kubepalm:

CloakNNNdagger
09-15-2013, 07:44 PM
Doesn't disprove my point though. I didn't say just making a 50 yard kick, I said knocking them down as if it's some automatic thing and to be expected. It's not. He missed difficult kicks, it's not like he missed chip shots.

A lot of those guys aren't taking many of them. Some of the best ones (Zurlein...) has missed about half of them.


I'm still scratching my head as to how Bullock was drafted when Zurlein was still available (had to be an Aggie Kubiak pressure). But I think you need to review Zurlein's stats a little closer............in the past 2 years, he has routinely hit on 50-60 ydrs (13 in 2012).......not to mention the 45-50 ydrs.

utahmark
09-15-2013, 07:58 PM
I'm still scratching my head as to how Bullock was drafted when Zurlein was still available (had to be an Aggie Kubiak pressure). But I think you need to review Zurlein's stats a little closer............in the past 2 years, he has routinely hit on 50-60 ydrs (13 in 2012).......not to mention the 45-50 ydrs.

He was 7 of 13 beyond the 50 last year. Overall accuracy was 74.2%.

fiasco west
09-15-2013, 08:03 PM
I'm still scratching my head as to how Bullock was drafted when Zurlein was still available (had to be an Aggie Kubiak pressure). But I think you need to review Zurlein's stats a little closer............in the past 2 years, he has routinely hit on 50-60 ydrs (13 in 2012).......not to mention the 45-50 ydrs.

That's why I mentioned Zurlein, he's known as one of the elite kickers in the NFL and while he's made the most of them, it's not the best percentage. (from 50 yards or more)

All I am saying though is that 50 yard kicks are not gimmes or automatic kicks. Bulloch is 0-4 on those right now I think, or 0-3 I think? I'm not excusing him but he missed 2 50 yarders this game, and a 46 yarder IIRC. It's some tough luck, I think the guy has the leg (he made the 51 yarder that the Titans called a TO on, right down the middle) and it has to be a pressure thing. Hopefully he'll get over it because I do think he has the leg to become kicker that has the distance...but if he doesn't then we should be able to get any vet kicker that is more reliable.

Either way, he hasn't missed what I'd call a gimme kick yet.

CloakNNNdagger
09-15-2013, 08:21 PM
[QUOTE=fiasco west;2210526]That's why I mentioned Zurlein, he's known as one of the elite kickers in the NFL and while he's made the most of them, it's not the best percentage. (from 50 yards or more)

All I am saying though is that 50 yard kicks are not gimmes or automatic kicks. Bulloch is 0-4 on those right now I think, or 0-3 I think? I'm not excusing him but he missed 2 50 yarders this game, and a 46 yarder IIRC. It's some tough luck, I think the guy has the leg (he made the 51 yarder that the Titans called a TO on, right down the middle) and it has to be a pressure thing. Hopefully he'll get over it because I do think he has the leg to become kicker that has the distance...but if he doesn't then we should be able to get any vet kicker that is more reliable.

I agree with you about these not being gimmes. But when you look at Zurlein's college FG stats, they were been laden with 50-60 ydrs.......Bullock's were not. Zurlein's college long FG stats have been predictable of his NFL performance........so has Bullock's.

burro
09-15-2013, 08:22 PM
Any list of FA kickers.. including UDFA that's caught anyone eyes?

Billy Cundiff and Olindo Mare are both available. None of them could do much worse than Bullock has up to this point.

infantrycak
09-15-2013, 08:42 PM
Zurlein's college long FG stats have been predictable of his NFL performance........so has Bullock's.

So Bullock has hit 60% of his over 50 yd attempts in the NFL (he was 3 of 5 in college)?

I don't see how his college record points to the results so far in the NFL.

fiasco west
09-15-2013, 08:48 PM
[QUOTE=fiasco west;2210526]That's why I mentioned Zurlein, he's known as one of the elite kickers in the NFL and while he's made the most of them, it's not the best percentage. (from 50 yards or more)

All I am saying though is that 50 yard kicks are not gimmes or automatic kicks. Bulloch is 0-4 on those right now I think, or 0-3 I think? I'm not excusing him but he missed 2 50 yarders this game, and a 46 yarder IIRC. It's some tough luck, I think the guy has the leg (he made the 51 yarder that the Titans called a TO on, right down the middle) and it has to be a pressure thing. Hopefully he'll get over it because I do think he has the leg to become kicker that has the distance...but if he doesn't then we should be able to get any vet kicker that is more reliable.

I agree with you about these not being gimmes. But when you look at Zurlein's college FG stats, they were been laden with 50-60 ydrs.......Bullock's were not. Zurlein's college long FG stats have been predictable of his NFL performance........so has Bullock's.

I would rather have Zurlein as well so I agree there, I'm sure it was a Aggie thing or wouldn't be surprised if it was.

Hopefully the guy can get over this problem, either that or Kubiak is just going to stop letting him take those. Would much rather trot out Lechler since it's almost a sure thing that we'll get great field position with him.

c10x
09-15-2013, 09:27 PM
I have to say, I thought it was a mistake the day we drafted him, and its really still looking that way. Hard to believe we spent a draft pick on a kicker that had zero pre-draft buzz.

Since he's a Texan now, I hope he turns it around... but today was not a good day for him.

keyser
09-15-2013, 09:28 PM
[QUOTE=CloakNNNdagger;2210541]

I would rather have Zurlein as well so I agree there, I'm sure it was a Aggie thing or wouldn't be surprised if it was.

Hopefully the guy can get over this problem, either that or Kubiak is just going to stop letting him take those. Would much rather trot out Lechler since it's almost a sure thing that we'll get great field position with him.

I wish people would quit seeing an Aggie conspiracy. Bullock was the winner of whatever that "best placekicker" award is (Groza?) the year he was drafted. And, having watched the Aggies play, I know he was extremely reliable as a kicker that year. It makes perfect sense that he'd be drafted where he was. And while Zuerlein has worked out better, it was far from clear at the time of the draft that that would be the case.

That said, I'm extremely disappointed in Bullock's performance (on field goals; I'm happy with his kickoffs) in these first two games, and I wouldn't mind them bringing kickers in to try out this week and even signing a replacement if they are comfortable with him. I can forgive missing a 45+ yard kick or two, but when you miss lots of those kicks, including a game-winner, without making any, I think you need to be looking for another line of work. I would have no trust in him kicking for us when we really needed it, and I can't imagine the coaching staff does, either. This is just me estimating numbers, but I'd expect a decent kicker to be 95% or so on <40 yards, about 75% on 40-49 yards, and about 50% on 50+ yard attempts.

Realistically, I expect he's got another week or two grace period, but unless he dramatically turns things around I think we need to be looking for a replacement. Bullock might develop over time into an elite kicker, but we are in a win-now mode, and not a mode where we can let someone gradually improve on the job. Considering how close our games have been so far, those field goals are likely to be a big deal in the remaining games, and I'd like to get someone more reliable (even if with less long-term upside) in there.

CloakNNNdagger
09-15-2013, 09:37 PM
So Bullock has hit 60% of his over 50 yd attempts in the NFL (he was 3 of 5 in college)?

I don't see how his college record points to the results so far in the NFL.


I was referring to his limited 50+ FG completion experience.............2 for only 50 yds even, and the other, only 52 yds. No FGs of 54, 55, 56, 58 and 60, etc as in the case of Zurlein.

Seegara
09-15-2013, 10:08 PM
He''ll be ok.
I have to wonder. He has never been very accurate and I think it's in his blood.

TexansFight
09-15-2013, 10:29 PM
Is Tony Zendejas available? :kitten:

http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvcrime/files/import/12009-zendejas.jpg

Tony Z was one of my favorite Oilers while growing up. Why the **** did we not resign him and allow Ian Blowfield and Al Del Stinko take over for him.

House of Pain
09-15-2013, 10:37 PM
Tony Z was one of my favorite Oilers while growing up. Why the **** did we not resign him and allow Ian Blowfield and Al Del Stinko take over for him.

Maybe it was because of the leg he broke tackling a guy on a KO return? (I was at that game in the dome)

DocBar
09-15-2013, 10:54 PM
Tony Z was one of my favorite Oilers while growing up. Why the **** did we not resign him and allow Ian Blowfield and Al Del Stinko take over for him.Al Del Greko was a helluva kicker. Not sure who you're talking about with the Blowfield comment.

TexansFight
09-15-2013, 10:55 PM
Maybe it was because of the leg he broke tackling a guy on a KO return? (I was at that game in the dome)

I was in high school at the time and was fortunate that my family had Oilers season tickets back then. Great memory, I thought it was because Bud was a cheap bastard.

TexansFight
09-15-2013, 10:57 PM
Al Del Greko was a helluva kicker. Not sure who you're talking about with the Blowfield comment.

Ian Howfield. Blew a winnable game against the Redskins in 1991 when both teams were coming in with great records. I think the Skins were 6-0 and the Oilers were 5-1.

DocBar
09-15-2013, 11:00 PM
Ian Howfield. Blew a winnable game against the Redskins in 1991 when both teams were coming in with great records. I think the Skins were 6-0 and the Oilers were 5-1.He doesn't show up, as far as I could see, on pro football reference.

imatexan
09-16-2013, 12:42 AM
You can't be a rookie kicker and your job is to kick FG's and you make 1/6 in your first 2 games.

NO EXCUSES he needs to be cut now.

PapaL
09-16-2013, 07:10 AM
He doesn't show up, as far as I could see, on pro football reference.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/howfiian01.htm

PapaL
09-16-2013, 07:11 AM
Random fact, Ravens kicker Justin Tucker missed a 50 and a 44 yarder this week. Just saying...it happens.

CloakNNNdagger
09-16-2013, 07:27 AM
Random fact, Ravens kicker Justin Tucker missed a 50 and a 44 yarder this week. Just saying...it happens.

I doubt that if both were to be released today, the run would be on seeking Bullock's services.

silvrhand
09-16-2013, 07:31 AM
I doubt that if both were to be released today, the run would be on seeking Bullock's services.

I think he'll get a few more chances, it's a tough spot he's gotten nothing to build his confidence on almost every kick has been a tough one. I am not making excuses, but hopefully he can bounce back.

On a side note I don't think anyone has returned a kick this year, so he has leg strength, he just needs to get it together mentally.

PapaL
09-16-2013, 07:39 AM
I doubt that if both were to be released today, the run would be on seeking Bullock's services.

Who knows but I'm willing to bet Bullock isn't cut this week (not that you're saying he will).

Kickers miss kicks, WRs dropspasses, RBs fumble, and QBs throw INT. It's the nature of the beast.

Vinny
09-16-2013, 07:41 AM
Who knows but I'm willing to bet Bullock isn't cut this week (not that you're saying he will).

Kickers miss kicks, WRs dropspasses, RBs fumble, and QBs throw INT. It's the nature of the beast.yeah, but I bet you've never seen a kicker miss 3 kicks in one possession! That takes some kind of special seasoning blend.

PapaL
09-16-2013, 07:45 AM
yeah, but I bet you've never seen a kicker miss 3 kicks in one possession! That takes some kind of special seasoning blend.

Touche.

That whole situation/scenario was absurd.

Vinny
09-16-2013, 07:48 AM
yeah, but I bet you've never seen a kicker miss 3 kicks in one possession! That takes some kind of special seasoning blend.

Touche.

That whole situation/scenario was absurd.
When Munchak called that last time out I thought he bailed us out....but Bullock outsmarted him and went 3 card Monty on us. That look on #4's face was even confusing me.

Bulls on Parade
09-16-2013, 08:15 AM
Guys, the funny thing is I saw 51-year-old Al Del Greco at HEB a few weeks ago. But I don't think he's going to start a comeback to the NFL anytime soon. He looks out of shape and fat. And he hasn't played in the league since 2000.

But in all seriousness, it seems like Gary Kubiak has a lot of faith in Randy Bullock and will continue to give him every opportunity judging by the post-game interview. I'm hoping he's just saying that because we can't afford to be missing so many field goals if we want to make a run to the Super Bowl.

I have my fingers crossed that Randy Bullock is just going through a slump and will turn it around very soon. Gig 'Em, Randy! :kingkong:

Dread-Head
09-16-2013, 10:42 AM
Can someone combine this with the "kicker" thread I started yesterday?

Dread-Head
09-16-2013, 10:45 AM
Concur. This isn't the week tho. We've carried him too long to cut him after 3 long range misses. One bad game happens, two bad games and it's a trend.

1. He missed 2 out of three in the SanDiego game
2. He missed 3 out of three against Tennessee.


it's a trend.

Dread-Head
09-16-2013, 10:50 AM
Al Del Greko was a helluva kicker. Not sure who you're talking about with the Blowfield comment.


I think he means former Oiler kicker Ian Howfield.

Dread-Head
09-16-2013, 10:51 AM
In the words of Mr. Spacely from the Jetsons:

"Youuuuu're FIIIIIIIIIIIRED!

Hervoyel
09-16-2013, 11:01 AM
Sadly Toni Fritsch is no longer with us or we could send up the "Fritsch Signal" and have him come bail out another Houston football team.

House of Pain
09-16-2013, 11:04 AM
Can we all agree that if you are a Texans fan, you hope this is an aberration and it is in the Texans best interest that Bullock gets straightened out?

Me thinks if you don't agree with this, you are an Aggie hater. I went to UT, love my school, but the Texans come first in my eyes.

C Madd
09-16-2013, 11:06 AM
1. He missed 2 out of three in the SanDiego game
2. He missed 3 out of three against Tennessee.


it's a trend.

Not that it makes much difference, but he was 1 of 2 in the San Diego game.

Vinnie
09-16-2013, 11:10 AM
Anyone else thinking Randy may have still been a little "groggy" from the A&M game the day before?

HJam72
09-16-2013, 11:22 AM
Al the Greek-o to the rescue! :thinking:

Vinny
09-16-2013, 11:28 AM
Sadly Toni Fritsch is no longer with us or we could send up the "Fritsch Signal" and have him come bail out another Houston football team.I think he could keek us a touchdown. Before Toni, there was Skip Butler - another local product...and look at how that turned out. If you dig up the old Oiler DNA you will find Toni Fritsch passing the throne to Florian Kempf, Al Del Greco, then Tony Zendejas. Those were the gravy years of touchdown keekers here in Houston....I think my conclusion is that we just need someone with an accent and has never seen a football before they came to Texas. :pirate:

Double Barrel
09-16-2013, 11:39 AM
Why wouldn't he be? This whole ****ing thread is a joke. Bullock ain't going anywhere.

Yep. This is a coaching staff that gave Jacoby Jones five years to pull his head out of his butt. I have no doubt they will probably give Randy Bullock a lot more time than he deserves to work it out.

This franchise believes in second chances...and even thirds and fourths...

I know the mob demands blood, but apparently the mob has not been paying attention to how the Houston Texans operates during the Kubiak regime. (Hell, David Carr got an entire season AFTER everyone and their dog knew he was broken.)

infantrycak
09-16-2013, 11:53 AM
I see no reason not to sign Kickalicious to the practice squad. Keep seasoning him and Bullock will notice his presence.

Hervoyel
09-16-2013, 12:10 PM
Can we all agree that if you are a Texans fan, you hope this is an aberration and it is in the Texans best interest that Bullock gets straightened out?

Me thinks if you don't agree with this, you are an Aggie hater. I went to UT, love my school, but the Texans come first in my eyes.

Absolutely. It's in the Texans best interest that the player work his issues out and start producing. I don't think anyone is really excited about the prospect of seeing Bullock wash out. Even if you don't like Aggies (and I'm not a fan in the least) he'd really only be one less Aggie around here and that's not much of a difference. Plus I forgive all transgressions once they hit the professional level. I got over the Vince Young bull**** and will get over all the Johnny Football bull**** too. Couldn't care less about that.

I just worry when a kicker goes on a binge of badness like I've seen the last two weeks. You start to wonder what it's going to take to pull him out of it or if he will even pull out of it.

PapaL
09-16-2013, 12:17 PM
I see no reason not to sign Kickalicious to the practice squad. Keep seasoning him and Bullock will notice his presence.

Interesting read on what Detroit tried to do to keep him on their PS:
Kickalicious says league rejected Lions’ attempt to keep him on practice squad; LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/12/kickalicious-says-league-rejected-lions-attempt-to-keep-him-on-practice-squad/)

According to a report by Roy Kvatningen of Nettavisen in Norway, the Lions were hoping to designate Rugland as an “international practice squad” player. That designation would basically allow the team an exemption to give Rugland an additional spot on their practice squad. Rugland said the league apparently told the Lions that the rule was made in regard to NFL Europe, which no longer exists.

CloakNNNdagger
09-16-2013, 12:23 PM
I see no reason not to sign Kickalicious to the practice squad. Keep seasoning him and Bullock will notice his presence.

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing. A kicker on the PS is NOT a wasted space. A kicker can make or break a team over the period of a whole season. There have been statements that "we have confidence in the young man" and to paraphrase another....."he's a rookie and we don't want to mess with his confidence while he's going through a fragile time." You can hardly run a team protecting players from their own confidence level. Bullock had no competition in the entire offseason/preseason. Sounds like they may have been protecting him from dealing with potential confidence issues from the beginning. Players, even rookies, need "practice" in dealing with those type of issues.........just as though they were living in the "real world."

TEXANRED
09-16-2013, 12:24 PM
Ian Howfield thinks Bullock sux.

Marcus
09-16-2013, 12:36 PM
Enough of this nonsense of getting rid of him before the season is over. They will let him kick the entire entire season, come hell or high water, and then evaluate him, and that's exactly the way it should be.

If they get a big case of the stupids and let him go too soon, do you know what will happen?

He will go to another team, and do to us, like what happened to Otto in the opening scene of Sons of Anarchy. :rake:

mikefont
09-16-2013, 01:36 PM
Maybe we should thank him for making Kubiak open the playbook. :kubepalm:

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am a bit more concerned with the conservative play calling for the first 3 1/2 quarters then opening it up after we're trailing on the scoreboard.

As far as Bullock goes, I think we need to give him a couple of more games to get it together. If not, for THIS season with SB aspirations, I wonder about going to a 2 kicker scenario like some teams have done in the past...having Bullock handle kickoff duties and bring in a veteran for field goal duties.

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Dread-Head
09-16-2013, 02:06 PM
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am a bit more concerned with the conservative play calling for the first 3 1/2 quarters then opening it up after we're trailing on the scoreboard.

As far as Bullock goes, I think we need to give him a couple of more games to get it together. If not, for THIS season with SB aspirations, I wonder about going to a 2 kicker scenario like some teams have done in the past...having Bullock handle kickoff duties and bring in a veteran for field goal duties.

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:thinking: I say One He f's up in the Baltimore game and makes everyone else work harder I say tell him to pay his own airfare home.

burro
09-16-2013, 07:59 PM
Enough of this nonsense of getting rid of him before the season is over. They will let him kick the entire entire season, come hell or high water, and then evaluate him, and that's exactly the way it should be.

If they get a big case of the stupids and let him go too soon, do you know what will happen?

He will go to another team, and do to us, like what happened to Otto in the opening scene of Sons of Anarchy. :rake:

I have to disagree. A Kicker isn't a QB, or RB, etc. He needs to be reliable or be gone, otherwise we are going to be pulling our hair out. We don't to wait to evaluate Bullock until after he's blown multiple game winning drives.

Speedy
09-16-2013, 08:05 PM
What happened to Kickalicious? He hit 3 of 3 in pre-season for the Lions from 33, 49 and 50.

PapaL
09-16-2013, 09:03 PM
What happened to Kickalicious? He hit 3 of 3 in pre-season for the Lions from 33, 49 and 50.

They chose Akers. He went to GB, they chose Mason. He's back home.

TejasTom
09-16-2013, 09:24 PM
What happened to Kickalicious? He hit 3 of 3 in pre-season for the Lions from 33, 49 and 50.

I hope he's on a flight here for the Tuesday player tryouts.

Marcus
09-17-2013, 09:55 AM
I have to disagree. A Kicker isn't a QB, or RB, etc. He needs to be reliable or be gone, otherwise we are going to be pulling our hair out. We don't to wait to evaluate Bullock until after he's blown multiple game winning drives.

It won't be you (the fans) doing the evaluating. And that's the way it should be. Why? Because coaches don't knee-jerk. Only fans do.

CloakNNNdagger
09-17-2013, 04:34 PM
“I don’t think I have ever had a game like this,” Bullock said. “It was frustrating, but at this point all I can do is move forward and come back for more work this week.”

The 23-year old kicker, nicknamed “Iron Boot” for his leg strength, has since received encouragement from within the organization. Bullock told head coach Gary Kubiak that chairman and CEO Bob McNair talked to him after the game, offering support. According to Kubiak, a kicker needs to know that his team has confidence in him.

“You watch your locker room as a coach and I know our guys respect Randy,” Kubiak said. “He’s a worker. He’s not some guy who comes in here and kicks his few balls and calls it a day. He works really hard at what he does and he’s young. We’re going young with him and we’re going to stand behind him. Like I said, he’s got a job to do. He’s responsible for his job. But we’re going to give him a lot of help. His teammates are going to support him. I’m going to support him and we’ve got to get him going in the right direction here.”

Bullock , who is one-for-five on field goal attempts, has eight touchbacks on nine kickoffs and six extra points this season. Three-of-four missed attempts were from 50 yards or greater.

“I’m sure he’d be much happier if he got to kick some 30- and 35-yarders,” Kubiak said Monday. “We take that into consideration. But he’s got to make that kick to end the game yesterday. That’s his job. But there are three people involved in that: the snap, the hold and the kick. And we’ve all got to take responsibility and get better and they will. We’ve got confidence in Randy. We’ll see if we can get him a little bit closer. But we expect him to step up and be strong here and work through this and do a good job for us.” link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Randy-Bullock-All-I-can-do-is-move-forward/b1963d8a-bfea-4884-ac2f-69004cdf77b6)

As it stands now, I'd also be much happier if he got to kick some 30- and 35-yarders.:thinking:

hradhak
09-17-2013, 05:35 PM
link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Randy-Bullock-All-I-can-do-is-move-forward/b1963d8a-bfea-4884-ac2f-69004cdf77b6)

As it stands now, I'd also be much happier if he got to kick some 30- and 35-yarders.:thinking:

Yeah, I would be a lot more worried if we were talking about missing 30 yarders. I'm not happy he's missing from 50, but I wanna see a bigger sample size before I pass judgement

Bulls on Parade
09-17-2013, 05:48 PM
On the plus side, the Texans are 2-0 and it's better for Randy Bullock to get all of these misses out of the way early on. Maybe he'll start to heat up and go on a roll later in the season and more importantly in the playoffs.

I'm just worried he's going to miss some critical field goals that may cost us a potential win against the Ravens, Seahawks and 49ers. These are three teams we can't afford to leave points on the table against.

These next three games will tell us all we need to know.

Tailgate
09-17-2013, 05:53 PM
Hes a young dude, and he has the talent necessary, and we spent a pick on him for a reason. Dude will be just fine. To give up on him already would be dumb, and he would just go somewhere else and tear it up for his entire career should we do that. Trindon Holliday.

Porky
09-17-2013, 05:54 PM
Shayne Graham was just released. :kitten:

CloakNNNdagger
09-17-2013, 06:01 PM
They chose Akers. He went to GB, they chose Mason. He's back home.

I can think of worse kickers to compete against than Akers and Mason. I can imagine that Bullock would never have kept up with that competition.

bckey
09-17-2013, 07:28 PM
link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Randy-Bullock-All-I-can-do-is-move-forward/b1963d8a-bfea-4884-ac2f-69004cdf77b6)

As it stands now, I'd also be much happier if he got to kick some 30- and 35-yarders.:thinking:

That would mean the Texans stalled at the 13 and the 18.:kitten:

Seriously, Kubiak sounds like he is trying to build the confidence of a little kid. We believe in you Timmy. You can do it. I guarantee you if Bullock misses too many more or even worse the Texans lose because Bullock misses a game winner or 2 he will be gone. They can't pamper a kicker through a season where they are supposed to either go to the sb or at the very least the AFC championship game.

I want Bullock to succeed just like everybody else does. But kicking decides games a lot of times. He has to turn it around yesterday. Had the Texans lost the game to the Titans I think Kubiak might be a little less patient. I do think the game winner in Sand Dog is part of the reason Kubiak is trying to get Bullock turned around. He sees potential but even Kubiak has limits. We should know the fate of Bullock just before or by the bye week because it is a tough stretch of games coming up that could mean very close games.

CloakNNNdagger
09-17-2013, 08:38 PM
Some on radio have tried to bring in the holder into the conversation as possiblybeing responsible for Bullock's bad kicks. I tried to look back at those FG attempts and couldn't detect any quirks. Even though Lechler was injured throughout the preseason, he was the sole holder for Bullock through OTAs and camp. Furthermore, I believe he has this holding thing down pretty well. For 13 years, he held for Sebastian Janikowski, who he considers to be one of the greatest kickers of all time. Let's not look for windmills. :mcnugget:

HJam72
09-17-2013, 09:33 PM
Well, you have to understand something very important. The defenders are not allowed to hit the long-snapper anymore, and he is used to that, so it throws off his timing as far as the spinning of the long-snap goes, which throws the holder off by just a fraction of a milli-inch & the lace on the ball is not....quite....perfectly....forward, so when Bullock kicks it it tends to curve............................................. .................................................. .................................................. ............................or, he knows it's off by a fraction of a milli-inch & that gets him all nervous....so he just, sort of, messes up....just a little bit....& shanks the F&(#*r...

It ain't he's fault. :cow:

CloakNNNdagger
09-17-2013, 10:11 PM
Well, you have to understand something very important. The defenders are not allowed to hit the long-snapper anymore, and he is used to that, so it throws off his timing as far as the spinning of the long-snap goes, which throws the holder off by just a fraction of a milli-inch & the lace on the ball is not....quite....perfectly....forward, so when Bullock kicks it it tends to curve............................................. .................................................. .................................................. ............................or, he knows it's off by a fraction of a milli-inch & that gets him all nervous....so he just, sort of, messes up....just a little bit....& shanks the F&(#*r...

It ain't he's fault. :cow:

Dang. You may something there. Never thought of it that way!:shots:

thunderkyss
09-17-2013, 10:24 PM
I'm pulling for the kid.

I've been a fan since SuperBad. He struggled for a while there, but came back strong in 21 jumpstreet.

I think he can pull out of this as well. I guarantee we won't be able to stop laughing when the games really matter.

DocBar
09-17-2013, 10:27 PM
Why does Duck Dynasty keep coming to mind when I see this thread?

thunderkyss
09-17-2013, 10:36 PM
For 13 years, he held for Sebastian Janikowski, who he considers to be one of the greatest kickers of all time. Let's not look for windmills. :mcnugget:

http://allyourfootballfantasys.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/janikowski.jpg

Janikowski kicks with the wrong foot.



I'm not saying Lechler was the issue, but I believe the issue is most likely a combination of Weeks, Lechler, & Bullock. I think it was very mature of Bullock to shoulder the blame, but I don't think if the "problem" was solely on Bullock Kubiak would have brought the other two into the conversation (if you listened to his last press conference... or the GK show (can't remember)).

ChampionTexan
09-17-2013, 10:43 PM
Some on radio have tried to bring in the holder into the conversation as possiblybeing responsible for Bullock's bad kicks. I tried to look back at those FG attempts and couldn't detect any quirks. Even though Lechler was injured throughout the preseason, he was the sole holder for Bullock through OTAs and camp. Furthermore, I believe he has this holding thing down pretty well. For 13 years, he held for Sebastian Janikowski, who he considers to be one of the greatest kickers of all time. Let's not look for windmills. :mcnugget:

Probably, although it's at least worth being aware that Janikowski is left-footed, while Bullock clearly isn't. Prior to this season, the last time Lechler held for a right footed kicker was in 2001. Lechler's been doing it 13 years, but now he's doing it looking in a mirror.

EllisUnit
09-17-2013, 11:03 PM
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5487/9795044305_fa7f231a60_o.jpg

utahmark
10-20-2013, 07:16 PM
Maybe it's a good thing we did'nt get rid of our new kicker after a couple of bad games?

burro
10-20-2013, 07:28 PM
I'm not sold. We're 3-4 if not for the game Bullock blew.

CloakNNNdagger
10-20-2013, 08:10 PM
With a STs KO return as productive as KC's, and as strong as Bullock's leg is said to be, why can't he consistently manage to kick off the ball out of the EZ. It could have saved us quite a bit of grief today (and other days), as our STs still tackle like girls most of the time.