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SmoochyTX
09-15-2013, 04:40 PM
Wow! What another great catch by Hopkins!!!

Tesuns
09-15-2013, 04:40 PM
Go NUK!!!!!!!!!!

ziggy29
09-15-2013, 04:40 PM
Effing HOPKINS!!!! YES!

TdotTexas2Step
09-15-2013, 04:40 PM
Hopkins is the real deal

PapaL
09-15-2013, 04:40 PM
Nuk is the MF'ing man!

Chance_C
09-15-2013, 04:40 PM
Rookie!!!

gafftop
09-15-2013, 04:41 PM
Run the ball No flat pass

TheMatrix31
09-15-2013, 04:42 PM
Just run a PA to Daniels and end this ****.

eriadoc
09-15-2013, 04:42 PM
Normal zone bootleg:

http://www.prodctr.com/lsimmons/pics/bootleg1.jpg

Schaub's bootleg:

http://www.prodctr.com/lsimmons/pics/bootleg2.jpg

But Hopkins is awesome.

SW H-TOWN
09-15-2013, 04:42 PM
Nuk is the MF'ing man!

^^^^^ In two years he is going to be really good. Showed up huge in the 4th, without Johnson, when it matters most.

Mr. Texan
09-15-2013, 04:43 PM
schaubs been on the money in late 4th/OT in this game

DocBar
09-15-2013, 04:43 PM
Bad timing on that jump

ChrisG
09-15-2013, 04:43 PM
Hand pulling on the jersey

ATXtexanfan
09-15-2013, 04:43 PM
Here we.go

playa465
09-15-2013, 04:43 PM
Just run a PA to Daniels and end this ****.

Amen, this should have been the 2nd down play...but Nuk made it irrelevant!!! Texans win!!!

SmoochyTX
09-15-2013, 04:44 PM
Texans win!!! :)

Mr. Texan
09-15-2013, 04:44 PM
schaub clutch?

G27RR
09-15-2013, 04:44 PM
Hopkins!

HTown2ATX
09-15-2013, 04:44 PM
De'Andre for the win!!! YES YES YES!!!!!!

Naiirb
09-15-2013, 04:44 PM
Looks like the Texans hit another home run first round pick with Hopkins. Impressive

Uncle Rico
09-15-2013, 04:44 PM
NuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuK !!!!!!!!!!!

ATXtexanfan
09-15-2013, 04:44 PM
Woot woot

SW H-TOWN
09-15-2013, 04:44 PM
Hopkins, all I got to say.

DocBar
09-15-2013, 04:44 PM
I cannot believe this!!!! I'm glad I had my rally cap on!!! DHop is da MAN!!!!!!!

AndyWin
09-15-2013, 04:44 PM
Hopkins!!!!

PapaL
09-15-2013, 04:44 PM
Keep doubting. Schaub w a TD pass to the rookie.

TexansSeminole
09-15-2013, 04:44 PM
Real Deal DeAndre!!

TheMatrix31
09-15-2013, 04:45 PM
Woooooooooooooooo

Austrian
09-15-2013, 04:45 PM
What a game!! And cut Bullock.

gafftop
09-15-2013, 04:45 PM
LOL I think they won

TexCanada
09-15-2013, 04:45 PM
Nuk is a beast!

Uncle Rico
09-15-2013, 04:45 PM
Hey Doc Cloak what should I take for a case of tachycardia?!

SAMURAITEXAN
09-15-2013, 04:45 PM
Hopkins!

gcates
09-15-2013, 04:46 PM
That's my Texans...

gafftop
09-15-2013, 04:46 PM
Now maybe MS knows he has other WRs

SmoochyTX
09-15-2013, 04:46 PM
LOL... The ref seemed happy the ruling on the field was confirmed.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
09-15-2013, 04:46 PM
2013 Houston Texans = The Cardiac Cows

DocBar
09-15-2013, 04:46 PM
I'm exhausted!!!! I need a beer.

Mr. Texan
09-15-2013, 04:46 PM
schaub with his best eli maning impersonation

SW H-TOWN
09-15-2013, 04:46 PM
I wonder who gets the game ball, hahahaha.

HTown2ATX
09-15-2013, 04:47 PM
Game is over, Texans won, blood pressure dropping.....time to chill for the rest of the day.

Chance_C
09-15-2013, 04:47 PM
Guys we have another offensive threat...I have to walk outside I've got a head rush and about to pass out

gafftop
09-15-2013, 04:47 PM
MS never gives up I will give him that. 2-0 Any heart attacks out there

TheMatrix31
09-15-2013, 04:47 PM
**** yes.

Game balls go to Cushing, Watt, Hopkins, and Lechler.

Nawzer
09-15-2013, 04:47 PM
Nicely done Hopkins.

G27RR
09-15-2013, 04:47 PM
I like how cool Hopkins took it after they confirmed the TD. Like he expects to be making those catches now.

KA4Texan
09-15-2013, 04:47 PM
My heart.......... my heart.........Im glad this is over....... my heart.

gcates
09-15-2013, 04:47 PM
Titans D is no joke though. Unfortunately for them they have to deal with Locker under center on the other side...he'll be the downfall of the Titans for sure.

Thorn
09-15-2013, 04:47 PM
We got a future star in Hopkins.

ziggy29
09-15-2013, 04:48 PM
I wonder who gets the game ball, hahahaha.

Bullock, duh!

PapaL
09-15-2013, 04:49 PM
Schaub is so stupid for throwing to a rookie huh?

TheMatrix31
09-15-2013, 04:50 PM
I like how cool Hopkins took it after they confirmed the TD. Like he expects to be making those catches now.


Me too. One thing I've noticed though is that he looks for flags a lot. He needs to stop doing that.

CretorFrigg
09-15-2013, 04:50 PM
Great game, but now I'm worried about Andre Johnson. Did it look like a concussion?

DocBar
09-15-2013, 04:50 PM
Bullock, duh!The question was who gets a game ball not who gets kicked in the balls.:kubepalm:

Hervoyel
09-15-2013, 04:50 PM
So the 2013 Texans become the latest team to earn the name "Cardiac Kids".

Where do we find a new kicker? Who's out there?

gcates
09-15-2013, 04:50 PM
**** yes.

Game balls go to Cushing, Watt, Hopkins, and Lechler.
I think Arian deserves one as well...that 2 pt conversion is the only reason we had a chance to win this game.

TexanSam
09-15-2013, 04:50 PM
DeAndre is going to be awesome! Bullock, maybe not. I'm rooting for him since he went to my high school, but he looks bad.

Mr. Texan
09-15-2013, 04:51 PM
remember all those fades schaub used to throw to walter that went nowhere?

wow, we needed a number 2 WR so badly.

SAMURAITEXAN
09-15-2013, 04:51 PM
So we got WR2 or WR1b or what!

ATXtexanfan
09-15-2013, 04:51 PM
Way to go Ddre. Finally two legit wrs

Malloy
09-15-2013, 04:51 PM
This yellow "final" score overlay on the bottom line is AWFUL.

Makes me think there's a ****ing flag.

I told the wife the exact same thing... Make it blue... something...

gafftop
09-15-2013, 04:51 PM
I had Bullock as my kicker in FF

htowntexans1985
09-15-2013, 04:51 PM
Schaub is so stupid for throwing to a rookie huh?

It's not on him this game was so close. The offensive line and Arian not.picking up blitzes was.

JCTexan
09-15-2013, 04:52 PM
I wonder who gets the game ball, hahahaha.

Bullock. Without him Nuk doesn't catch the game winning TD. :lol:

Showtime100
09-15-2013, 04:52 PM
I can't believe we won this game. Even with Bobby Goldsboro as our kicker, we won the freaking game.

This Texans shirt I'm wearing does not get washed as long as the Texans win.

G27RR
09-15-2013, 04:53 PM
Me too. One thing I've noticed though is that he looks for flags a lot. He needs to stop doing that.

Most definitely :kubepalm:

eriadoc
09-15-2013, 04:54 PM
remember all those fades schaub used to throw to walter that went nowhere?

Makes you wonder why they (almost) never throw the fade to AJ, huh?

CloakNNNdagger
09-15-2013, 04:55 PM
Me too. One thing I've noticed though is that he looks for flags a lot. He needs to stop doing that.

He's lucky, the refs could have called him for a pushing off offensive interference on that play.

Chance_C
09-15-2013, 04:56 PM
Guys we have another offensive threat...I have to walk outside I've got a head rush and about to pass out

DocBar
09-15-2013, 04:57 PM
Schaub showed a lot of trust in DHop after he ran the wrong route on the pick 6.

Any word on AJ?

TheMatrix31
09-15-2013, 04:58 PM
I still hate fade routes. It's so "all or nothing." Often a waste of a down.

Bulluck53
09-15-2013, 05:00 PM
Tough loss. Congrats on the win!

PapaL
09-15-2013, 05:00 PM
Clutch...

Tesuns
09-15-2013, 05:00 PM
Kudos to Kube for giving DeAndre 2 shots at the ball, including a 3rd down. Did anyone noticed that when Nuk scored the TD, he politely tossed the ball to the referee- his first TD catch and a winning TD catch. Dre 2.0

PapaL
09-15-2013, 05:01 PM
Tough loss. Congrats on the win!

You have a pretty damn good team there. Don't get down. Y'all will be contenders again REAL soon.

ChrisG
09-15-2013, 05:01 PM
I told the wife the exact same thing... Make it blue... something...

Definitely freaked me out a few times, lol

Showtime100
09-15-2013, 05:01 PM
Tough loss. Congrats on the win!

You're always a great poster here, Bulluck. Good luck until week 17!

EllisUnit
09-15-2013, 05:01 PM
Any info on AJ, looked like a concussion maybe ?

Mr teX
09-15-2013, 05:01 PM
Its good schaub is going to him & they are connecting early in the season....they are only get better chemistry from here on out..:fans:

Tesuns
09-15-2013, 05:01 PM
Any word on AJ?

My guess concussion.

Bulls on Parade
09-15-2013, 05:01 PM
This team is battle tested. I think they're going to go into Baltimore and spank the Ravens next Sunday. It would be so sweet to beat the defending champs on the road.

Naiirb
09-15-2013, 05:03 PM
Just like the LSU bowl game Hopkins proved as the lights get brighter and the game is on the line he knows how to step up his game.

76Texan
09-15-2013, 05:03 PM
Game ball to Kubiak






If he has the gut to watch all the FG tries, LOL!

Playoffs
09-15-2013, 05:03 PM
Houston Texans ‏@HoustonTexans
Kubiak: Andre Johnson is being evaluated as we speak. #Texans

playa465
09-15-2013, 05:08 PM
He's lucky, the refs could have called him for a pushing off offensive interference on that play.

I think this is why he looks back sometimes (at refs)...he's physical and uses his hands to go get the ball anywhere near him. He will soon realize that in today's game, the NFL is going to give the WR the benefit of doubt when it comes to PI. IMO

PapaL
09-15-2013, 05:10 PM
Kubiak: the mistake was on Schaub...not Hopkins...on that pick 6 #Texans

Showtime100
09-15-2013, 05:18 PM
Kubiak: the mistake was on Schaub...not Hopkins...on that pick 6 #Texans

Interesting. Thanks for posting that info. And here I thought the announcers got at least one thing right today....:D

Malloy
09-15-2013, 05:19 PM
Interesting. Thanks for posting that info. And here I thought the announcers got at least one thing right today....:D

Not too impressed with those commentators tonight...

DX-TEX
09-15-2013, 05:19 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-X8mCeqXN2Pk/UjYd-lKzAII/AAAAAAAAAu8/7JDX04FvTxc/s1600/hopnow1.gif

FirstTexansFan
09-15-2013, 05:21 PM
Super impressed with my Texans, awesome game!!!

MEGA SWATT
09-15-2013, 05:25 PM
Bad ass ending. Hops redeemed himself. Can we win a game w/ less drama???

infantrycak
09-15-2013, 05:26 PM
We need to win to shut our own fan base up.

Yup and they did. Been funny watching the meltdown in this thread.

He didn't hit him helmet to helmet. He hit him with his shoulder when Dre was on his way down. Was a good hit by pollard.

I'd hate to see that hit flagged or fined.

He is leading with his shoulder, what's he supposed to do with his forearm, tuck it into his body or something?

Rey since you are fond of telling people to learn the rules, you need to go read the rule. There is no question AJ was a defenseless receiver - none. Therefore he cannot be hit in the head or neck area - he was...with the helmet, facemask, shoulder or forearm - he was.

Now can we stop talking about something not being helmet to helmet?

Thanks for neg repping me and telling me to "knock off the insults" infantrycak.

Nice to have such fair and neutral moderation on this site.

Well when you don't pay attention the first 20 times you were asked to knock off the insults it should hardly be a shocker for you.

Hey and now you can add LIAR to your list of stellar character traits since that is not the post I neg repped.

Showtime100
09-15-2013, 05:41 PM
I quit posting during games so I can really watch the game. I've found it fun reading after the fact as well. So much comedy.

Just to be clear, when I did post regularly in the game thread some of my posts were heat-of-the-moment drivel I soon regretted saying after the fact. So I don't read to giggle at anyone's expense. I giggle at everyone's expense, my own included...lol. It's the nature of the game thread and I'm just as guilty as the next guy.

TheMatrix31
09-15-2013, 05:41 PM
Schaub really pulled together after the Pick Six. Underrated leadership shown there by going back to Hopkins after all that. He basically said "don't worry dude, I still trust you."

That's a really positive development if so. And Hopkins responded in kind.

potisyourfriend
09-15-2013, 05:44 PM
The Texans Defense played a good game despite the Offense doing nothing for much of the game. What happened to splitting the carries? Tate was on a roll then Gary refused to use him most of the game.

Mr teX
09-15-2013, 05:44 PM
Schaub really pulled together after the Pick Six. Underrated leadership shown there by going back to Hopkins after all that. He basically said "don't worry dude, I still trust you."

That's a really positive development if so. And Hopkins responded in kind.

Yep.....speaking of schaub, anybody seen king texan? He was heavy in the thread when schaub threw the pick 6.

dalemurphy
09-15-2013, 05:46 PM
He better be cut next week

Bullock is struggling but he isn't shanking the ball or missing chip shots... I will gladly be patient if he keeps kicking the ball out of the endzone. Between he and lechler, the reversal in field position is incredible!

ObsiWan
09-15-2013, 05:47 PM
Hey everybody? What'd I miss?

...did we win??
:fans:

dalemurphy
09-15-2013, 05:49 PM
The Texans Defense played a good game despite the Offense doing nothing for much of the game. What happened to splitting the carries? Tate was on a roll then Gary refused to use him most of the game.

Pass protection! Foster is more trustworthy. Foster was getting into a groove late. If Tate gets 30% of the touches, I will be fine with that.

htownfan32
09-15-2013, 05:50 PM
Normally I like being a cheerleader in the thread, but I was at a frat party last night and watched the game at a friend's place instead. Gotta say, I did not do my voice any good. It was already bad after the Bama game, and now it's just totally gone lol. This team is going to give me a heart attack. We may have sucked it up at certain parts of the game, but the grit at the end was impressive. Schaub was confident in DeAndre and DeAndre did not disappoint. Nuk is an absolute badass and I do not hesitate in saying he could be WR1 for several teams in the league.

We struck some gold.

dalemurphy
09-15-2013, 05:51 PM
Schaub really pulled together after the Pick Six. Underrated leadership shown there by going back to Hopkins after all that. He basically said "don't worry dude, I still trust you."

That's a really positive development if so. And Hopkins responded in kind.

Schaub looks like a different guy this year. Physically stronger and quicker... More confident. He took a lot of hits today but was never rattled. Though certainly not a great game on his part, I am very excited about him this year.

Showtime100
09-15-2013, 05:54 PM
Hey everybody? What'd I miss?

...did we win??
:fans:

Yes! And Bud Adams petitioned the league saying the turf wasn't playable and he wants to move out of Houston.

The league said the turf was fine (again) and Houston wants him to move too. Adams did, however, seem to be relieved when told he was told he already tried this bullsh*t once before and his team is now in Nashville.

Said Adams, "I love LA!!"

burro
09-15-2013, 05:57 PM
post game notes:

1) schaub plays hard. he doesn't always play well, but he plays hard and doesn't quit. imo that's a much better asset than mobility. it is funny to read all of the comments about how bad he sucks and then see him play like a seasoned vet in a clutch situation. schaub is a fine QB and he's proving it.

2) special teams are hugely improved (minus fat Donny Osmond of course). lechler is the man and the coverage looks much better.

3) hopkins is a winner. AJ has an heir.

4) any news on wade smith? with quessenberry out, the o-line could have major problems (it does already) if smith isn't healthy.

5) finally, while I don't like many of his calls, I have faith in Kubiak.

ChampionTexan
09-15-2013, 05:58 PM
This one kind of reminded me of some of the heart-breakers we'd lose to the Colts with us playing the role of the Colts, and the Titans in our former role.

Much as I don't like it, they may be on the upswing (although unlike some folks, I remain as unconvinced as ever that Locker will be anything more than a marginal NFL QB).

htowntexans1985
09-15-2013, 05:59 PM
Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli

"I feel like I can be better than Andre,"
Hopkins says. #Texans

Whoa.

msbbc833
09-15-2013, 06:00 PM
Wow thank goodness for Shane Lechler. How many times did he put that ball inside the 10?? He is invaluable

DX-TEX
09-15-2013, 06:01 PM
Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli

"I feel like I can be better than Andre,"
Hopkins says. #Texans

Whoa.

Wait she didn't do the entire quote:

Adam Wexler ‏@awexler 11m
#Texans Hopkins:"I feel like I can be better than Andre. That's what he tells me. Don't pattern yourself in someone's shadow."

cstyle42
09-15-2013, 06:03 PM
Schaub really pulled together after the Pick Six. Underrated leadership shown there by going back to Hopkins after all that. He basically said "don't worry dude, I still trust you."

That's a really positive development if so. And Hopkins responded in kind.

No it was Schaub's fault... kubiak already said it

Dan B.
09-15-2013, 06:06 PM
This one kind of reminded me of some of the heart-breakers we'd lose to the Colts with us playing the role of the Colts, and the Titans in our former role.

Much as I don't like it, they may be on the upswing (although unlike some folks, I remain as unconvinced as ever that Locker will be anything more than a marginal NFL QB).

I think Tennessee is a damn good football team, especially defensively. I like their style -- very physical and penetrating along the lines. I agree that Locker is going to be the problem with that team. and I think their best scenario is 9-7 or so. They could get better quickly though if they draft to their system.

Porky
09-15-2013, 06:08 PM
I've never said this about a punter before, but Lechler is a beast. Best FA signing we've made in a quite some time.

chicagotexan2
09-15-2013, 06:08 PM
Gotta love deandre. Schaub Is so up and down its scary. But I give him credit for pulling out a win. The oline is not clicking in pass protection. Effing TN is going to have a solid season.

DX-TEX
09-15-2013, 06:13 PM
@JoshReeseRadio: #Texans #Titans Guard Chance Warmack says JJ Watt only has 2 good moves

Wasn't this the same guy that said last season if he didn't give up two sacks to Watt he would have had a great game?

dalemurphy
09-15-2013, 06:13 PM
post game notes:

1) schaub plays hard. he doesn't always play well, but he plays hard and doesn't quit. imo that's a much better asset than mobility. it is funny to read all of the comments about how bad he sucks and then see him play like a seasoned vet in a clutch situation. schaub is a fine QB and he's proving it.

2) special teams are hugely improved (minus fat Donny Osmond of course). lechler is the man and the coverage looks much better.

3) hopkins is a winner. AJ has an heir.

4) any news on wade smith? with quessenberry out, the o-line could have major problems (it does already) if smith isn't healthy.

5) finally, while I don't like many of his calls, I have faith in Kubiak.


Wade smith is hurt?

By the way, special teams coverage looks much improved because of bullock blasting kickoffs... In addition to #9- my new favorite Texan... Almost.

Bullock has been put in very difficult situations to begin his career. A few chip shots wouldn't hurt... Two career games and two long field goal attempts on last play of regulation to win the game. Not many kickers begin their career that way.

bckey
09-15-2013, 06:19 PM
So the 2013 Texans become the latest team to earn the name "Cardiac Kids".


I don't know Herv. The Texans are doing this against a couple of average teams. I don't want to see them get down and have to try and come back against better teams.

Where do we find a new kicker? Who's out there?

I don't know but I am sure Rick Smith will be on the phone.

potisyourfriend
09-15-2013, 06:28 PM
Any news on AJ?

G27RR
09-15-2013, 06:32 PM
Wait she didn't do the entire quote:

That makes a lot more sense for him to say at this point in his career, thanks for posting the whole thing.

ArlingtonTexan
09-15-2013, 06:33 PM
Wasn't this the same guy that said last season if he didn't give up two sacks to Watt he would have had a great game?

I think it is the guy who was drafted to replace that guy. Anyway if your two good moves work to mvp level then what is the issue

thunderkyss
09-15-2013, 06:36 PM
Great game..... on the edge of my seat the entire time.

Lots of stuff to work on, but we got the W..... & are on top of the AFC South again.

Fingers crossed, praying for Andre, Duane, & Wade.

dream_team
09-15-2013, 06:41 PM
For those asking for a QB that is more mobile with a stronger arm... Jake Locker anyone?

eriadoc
09-15-2013, 06:53 PM
For those asking for a QB that is more mobile with a stronger arm... Jake Locker anyone?

It's not hard to find a player at the QB position with more mobility and a stronger arm than Schaub. Most in the NFL meet that criteria, even backups. It's hard to find a QB that has those attributes.

Heath Shuler
09-15-2013, 07:08 PM
Wasn't this the same guy that said last season if he didn't give up two sacks to Watt he would have had a great game?

No Warmack is a rookie, Leroy Harris said it.

Heath Shuler
09-15-2013, 07:09 PM
http://cmsimg.tennessean.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=DN&Date=20130915&Category=SPORTS01&ArtNo=309150118&Ref=PH&Item=3&Maxw=640&Maxh=410

bud adams was there to see his titans L in person...........that puts a smile on my face

kingtexan
09-15-2013, 07:10 PM
For those asking for a QB that is more mobile with a stronger arm... Jake Locker anyone?

Or maybe another 15-20 or so QB 's ...

Showtime100
09-15-2013, 07:16 PM
http://cmsimg.tennessean.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=DN&Date=20130915&Category=SPORTS01&ArtNo=309150118&Ref=PH&Item=3&Maxw=640&Maxh=410

bud adams was there to see his titans L in person...........that puts a smile on my face

Telly Savalas: It's time to go, sir.

Adams: But the game is going to overtime.....and you're dead anyway.

Savalas: That's right, sir, it's time to go. :roast:

******************************

(Too soon, seeing how he isn't gone yet?? :D)

Heath Shuler
09-15-2013, 07:21 PM
http://cmsimg.tennessean.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=DN&Date=20130915&Category=SPORTS01&ArtNo=309150118&Ref=PH&Item=19&Maxw=640&Maxh=410

NitroGSXR
09-15-2013, 07:51 PM
http://cmsimg.tennessean.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=DN&Date=20130915&Category=SPORTS01&ArtNo=309150118&Ref=PH&Item=19&Maxw=640&Maxh=410

He's getting laid tonight. Hope he stays outta trouble. Great game with a great crowd.

DocBar
09-15-2013, 07:58 PM
post game notes:

1) schaub plays hard. he doesn't always play well, but he plays hard and doesn't quit. imo that's a much better asset than mobility. it is funny to read all of the comments about how bad he sucks and then see him play like a seasoned vet in a clutch situation. schaub is a fine QB and he's proving it.

2) special teams are hugely improved (minus fat Donny Osmond of course). lechler is the man and the coverage looks much better.

3) hopkins is a winner. AJ has an heir.

4) any news on wade smith? with quessenberry out, the o-line could have major problems (it does already) if smith isn't healthy.

5) finally, while I don't like many of his calls, I have faith in Kubiak.

Schaub is wishy-washy at best. Quite often it's his inconsistent play that puts the team in positions that dictate he must throw the ball. He looks antsy and nervous 90% of the time he's under any kind of pressure and doesn't do a great job of consistently extending broken plays.
He's very bad when he has to double clutch and pump action fake is something he's only heard about. Actually, he might've done the PAF twice in his career.

busterspencer
09-15-2013, 08:33 PM
Here we see Bud predicting they'll be 1 and 1 after today's game.
Apparently he's not all too pleased about the prospect

I heard he made a deal with the devil. (About pic of bud adams)

Goatcheese
09-15-2013, 08:38 PM
Schaub is wishy-washy at best. Quite often it's his inconsistent play that puts the team in positions that dictate he must throw the ball. He looks antsy and nervous 90% of the time he's under any kind of pressure and doesn't do a great job of consistently extending broken plays.
He's very bad when he has to double clutch and pump action fake is something he's only heard about. Actually, he might've done the PAF twice in his career.

A wishy washy QB on pace for over 5k yards and almost 50 TDs. I'll take it.

DocBar
09-15-2013, 08:52 PM
A wishy washy QB on pace for over 5k yards and almost 50 TDs. I'll take it.Keep going by the stat line. That'll make more goat cheese. :cheese:

Stats don't tell the real story or the whole story. Schaub has looked shakey for long stretches in both games. Yes, he has led comebacks, but that doesn't make him Joe Montana. If Schaub hadn't thrown pick 6's in each game, neither one would've been as close as they were.

thunderkyss
09-15-2013, 08:59 PM
Keep going by the stat line. That'll make more goat cheese. :cheese:

Stats don't tell the real story or the whole story. Schaub has looked shakey for long stretches in both games. Yes, he has led comebacks, but that doesn't make him Joe Montana. If Schaub hadn't thrown pick 6's in each game, neither one would've been as close as they were.

If the defense didn't give up 2 TDs in both games, neither would've been as close as they were.

The stats don't matter. That INT don't matter. What happened at the end of the game, is all that matters. He did what he had to do to win.

dream_team
09-15-2013, 09:23 PM
Keep going by the stat line. That'll make more goat cheese. :cheese:

Stats don't tell the real story or the whole story. Schaub has looked shakey for long stretches in both games. Yes, he has led comebacks, but that doesn't make him Joe Montana. If Schaub hadn't thrown pick 6's in each game, neither one would've been as close as they were.

That's true, stats don't tell the full story. Schaub has three picks, but only one of them was due to an actual bad throw.

BTW, I don't quite remember the pick 6 in the SD game you are referring to.

infantrycak
09-15-2013, 09:27 PM
If Schaub hadn't thrown pick 6's in each game, neither one would've been as close as they were.

It is ridiculous to harp on tip ball INTs and there was no pick 6 against San Diego.

gwallaia
09-15-2013, 09:27 PM
http://cmsimg.tennessean.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=DN&Date=20130915&Category=SPORTS01&ArtNo=309150118&Ref=PH&Item=3&Maxw=640&Maxh=410

bud adams was there to see his titans L in person...........that puts a smile on my face

Bud, come with me to the bathroom, it's time we change you again.

ATXtexanfan
09-15-2013, 09:44 PM
Last week left me thinking schaub might have elevated his game. This week......nope. Schaub is average. Nothing more.

burro
09-15-2013, 10:18 PM
Schaub is wishy-washy at best. Quite often it's his inconsistent play that puts the team in positions that dictate he must throw the ball. He looks antsy and nervous 90% of the time he's under any kind of pressure and doesn't do a great job of consistently extending broken plays.
He's very bad when he has to double clutch and pump action fake is something he's only heard about. Actually, he might've done the PAF twice in his career.

and yet we won another game (from behind) on the back of a strong passing game. i personally don't care for anecdotal evidence, what shows up in the box score and stat line speaks for its self. schaub, who threw for 3 TDs and nearly 300 yards today, was key to our win today.

Allstar
09-15-2013, 10:23 PM
I like Schaub best in a no huddle, all passing offense. The guy can sling it when we go in that mode.

DocBar
09-15-2013, 10:28 PM
It'scarzy,but the Texans dominated in every stat buy 2: 3rd down conversions and time of possession. Dang stats.:kubepalm:

DocBar
09-15-2013, 10:34 PM
and yet we won another game (from behind) on the back of a strong passing game. i personally don't care for anecdotal evidence, what shows up in the box score and stat line speaks for its self. schaub, who threw for 3 TDs and nearly 300 yards today, was key to our win today.There are three kind of lies: lies, damn lies and statistics.

Looking at the stat sheet, the Texans should've blown out the tAcks. Schaub's poor play, for long periods of play, is a large part of the reason the game went to overtime. Be a homer if you want, it's a free country. Don't try making up your own narrative based on a stats line. Schaub played poorly for most of todays game. The Texans got a W and it's all well and good. That W belongs more to the defense and offensive players not named Schaub than anything else.

Strong passing game? You must be smoking the :koolaid:
Smoking kool aid is a neat trick.

qqert
09-15-2013, 10:39 PM
Strong passing game? You must be smoking the :koolaid:
Smoking kool aid is a neat trick.

schaub homers call a 2 int day pretty good.
last week schaub had an int 15secs into the game and we have homers posting schaub is superman.

:wadepalm::kubepalm:

dream_team
09-15-2013, 10:44 PM
There are three kind of lies: lies, damn lies and statistics.

Looking at the stat sheet, the Texans should've blown out the tAcks. Schaub's poor play, for long periods of play, is a large part of the reason the game went to overtime. Be a homer if you want, it's a free country. Don't try making up your own narrative based on a stats line. Schaub played poorly for most of todays game. The Texans got a W and it's all well and good. That W belongs more to the defense and offensive players not named Schaub than anything else.

Strong passing game? You must be smoking the :koolaid:
Smoking kool aid is a neat trick.

I think the OL's pass pro was worse today than Schaub's performance. We all know Schaub doesn't play well when he's constantly pressured.

dream_team
09-15-2013, 10:45 PM
schaub homers call a 2 int day pretty good.
last week schaub had an int 15secs into the game and we have homers posting schaub is superman.

:wadepalm::kubepalm:

On the flip side, Schaub haters are blaming Schaub for tipped ball INTs.

leebigeztx
09-15-2013, 10:56 PM
and yet we won another game (from behind) on the back of a strong passing game. i personally don't care for anecdotal evidence, what shows up in the box score and stat line speaks for its self. schaub, who threw for 3 TDs and nearly 300 yards today, was key to our win today.

Not to complain about wins, but we beat titans and chargers. If they get down vs a manning, rogers type, game over. Theyre not trying to protect a lead, theyre trying to incr2ase it. Look, we know schaub cant handle pocket push. When he gets it, he cant reset his feet and make a good throw. Thats why today until late today, his throws were high. Some people mistake slow feet with being unathletic. Vick has slow feet, but he has a cannon to make up for it. Neither manning brothers are athletic, but they have good feet.

DocBar
09-15-2013, 11:17 PM
If the defense didn't give up 2 TDs in both games, neither would've been as close as they were.

The stats don't matter. That INT don't matter. What happened at the end of the game, is all that matters. He did what he had to do to win.Wow!!! 2 TD's a game now equates to bad defense? I'll put my money on teams expecting D's to give up 2 TD's a game on D rather than 2 pick sixes. Have you ever seen a team that relies on a pick 6 for a win? Not your best analysis, TK.

DocBar
09-15-2013, 11:18 PM
I think the OL's pass pro was worse today than Schaub's performance. We all know Schaub doesn't play well when he's constantly pressured.Every QB in the league has to deal with subpar protection game to game, Great QB's deal with it. Especially during big games.

burro
09-15-2013, 11:22 PM
There are three kind of lies: lies, damn lies and statistics.

Looking at the stat sheet, the Texans should've blown out the tAcks. Schaub's poor play, for long periods of play, is a large part of the reason the game went to overtime. Be a homer if you want, it's a free country. Don't try making up your own narrative based on a stats line. Schaub played poorly for most of todays game. The Texans got a W and it's all well and good. That W belongs more to the defense and offensive players not named Schaub than anything else.

Strong passing game? You must be smoking the :koolaid:
Smoking kool aid is a neat trick.

First, a missed FG was the reason the game wen't into OT. Schaub did everything he needed to do to put it away and Bullock didn't.

Secondly, stats are telling -- stats from today demonstrate that Schaub distributed the ball well, found the end zone 3 times, and earned a W in OT. I value stats more than the initial reactions of fans who think the sky is falling every time we don't convert on 3rd down. To each their own...

Finally, the Texans are ranked 9th in passing offense after two weeks. So yes, a strong passing game.

axman40
09-15-2013, 11:24 PM
http://i.imgur.com/vdKru9V.png

dream_team
09-15-2013, 11:33 PM
Every QB in the league has to deal with subpar protection game to game, Great QB's deal with it. Especially during big games.

Schaub isn't great, but he is good enough.

leebigeztx
09-16-2013, 12:05 AM
I know alot of people want to blame hopkins on that pick 6, after watching again, that was on schaub. There were 2 verticals on thay side. Hopkins was running to get the cb to open up. Matt was looking for a comeback rt which wouldve been short or picked off anyway. The cb had his back to the sideline which opened an inside go rte off the leverage. Maybe 76texan can show the videa

DocBar
09-16-2013, 12:09 AM
Schaub isn't great, but he is good enough.Good enough for what and for whom?

leebigeztx
09-16-2013, 12:12 AM
Good enough for what and for whom?

Thats what I wanna know. Im sure people thought alex smith was good enough until we saw 1 for 13 on 3rd downs in the nfc championship game

TheMatrix31
09-16-2013, 12:20 AM
Every QB in the league has to deal with subpar protection game to game, Great QB's deal with it. Especially during big games.

Give Tom Brady the protection Matt Schaub had today and he'd look equally ****ty.

I understand the whole "Great QBs overcome" platitude but that's just that--a platitude. You can't be a great QB unless you have fantastic protection. Just like the whole "great teams overcome bad officiating" utopian garbage. No, sometimes bad calls are bad calls and those calls are detrimental and devastating to your attempt to win the game.

We won. If we sort out the line issues, Schaub will be fine and the team will be fine. If we don't, Schaub won't be fine and the team won't be fine. There's a reason the whole "the game is won in the trenches" thing is a thing. It's because it's true.

dream_team
09-16-2013, 12:30 AM
Good enough for what and for whom?

Good enough for us to win a Super Bowl.

dalemurphy
09-16-2013, 12:52 AM
Thats what I wanna know. Im sure people thought alex smith was good enough until we saw 1 for 13 on 3rd downs in the nfc championship game

Of course he's good enough. "Can" and "will" shouldn't be confused. Lesser quarterbacks have won championships and better quarterbacks haven't.

I'm not sure why this argument is happening now. He is the quarterback and nobody who is intellectual honest believes either Texan backup gives them as good of a chance to win this year. I am all for critical analysis, but I find this a peculiar time (week two and undefeated with two comeback wins through the air) to discuss potential, future roster upgrades, which is really where this argument leads.

Can we all agree that the Texans will need Schaub to play much, much better than he did the last six weeks of last season?... Also, can we agree that Schaub has played long stretches of very good football as a Texan?

I agree with your assessment of Schaub's limitations (arm and feet). Schaub has a good release but is a long strider which gets him into problems when he has pressure in his face. I don't think, however, that his limitations are greater than his assets as a QB. Sure, there are 5-6 Qbs I would much rather go into the playoffs with and another 4-5 I'd prefer looking at the long term health of the franchise. So be it. I'm not sure what can be done about that.

I am very encouraged by what I have seen from Schaub so far. Even today, I thought he looked very poised given the number of issues the team had in pass protection as well as getting separation downfield. I am a well known Kubiak apologist- but I thought Greg Williams destroyed him today... It took a series of great, athletic plays to pull that game out. I think most of the offensive woes today should be attributed to scheme- particularly Kubiak's predictable protection schemes and reluctance to go max protect on blitzing downs.

Schaub appears fresher, stronger, quicker, and more confident that I have seen him since 2009. If we get the 2009-10 Matt Schaub throughout this season, we have a very good chance of reaching the Superbowl, IMO.

TexansSeminole
09-16-2013, 01:25 AM
Rey since you are fond of telling people to learn the rules, you need to go read the rule. There is no question AJ was a defenseless receiver - none. Therefore he cannot be hit in the head or neck area - he was...with the helmet, facemask, shoulder or forearm - he was.

Now can we stop talking about something not being helmet to helmet?

Hard to say if it was legal or not, they aren't very consistent with that call. It's still not a dirty hit.

ObsiWan
09-16-2013, 02:07 AM
Wow!!! 2 TD's a game now equates to bad defense? I'll put my money on teams expecting D's to give up 2 TD's a game on D rather than 2 pick sixes. Have you ever seen a team that relies on a pick 6 for a win? Not your best analysis, TK.

How about the fact that the defense gave up 21 pts (I'm giving them a pass on the tipped ball INT/short field score) in the SD game before waking up to stop them. Or the fact that they let Jake Locker - not Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees but Jake freakin' Locker :mcnugget: - march NINETY NINE YARDS to retake the lead after we went up 16-10.

But I guess that's Schaub's fault too.

TheMatrix31
09-16-2013, 02:55 AM
Kareem Jackson was terrrrrrrrrrrible on that long drive. Ugh.

thunderkyss
09-16-2013, 08:00 AM
Not to complain about wins, but we beat titans and chargers. If they get down vs a manning, rogers type, game over. Theyre not trying to protect a lead, theyre trying to incr2ase it.


I'm not a Matt Schaub fan, but last year we started horribly against the Broncos. Then Matt Schaub went nutts & kicked their a55.


Look, we know schaub cant handle pocket push. When he gets it, he cant reset his feet and make a good throw.


Peyton's no different. He had beautiful pockets to throw from yesterday (from what I saw of the high-lights). Our game plan is to get in Manning's face & disrupt his game.

Brady's no different... try watching some of his games. Our game plan against him, is to get in his face & disrupt his game.


Thats why today until late today, his throws were high. Some people mistake slow feet with being unathletic. Vick has slow feet, but he has a cannon to make up for it. Neither manning brothers are athletic, but they have good feet.

Eli is 0-2 despite his great feet. RG3 is 0-2 despite being very athletic.

Maybe there's more to this whole winning QB thing than feet.

thunderkyss
09-16-2013, 08:04 AM
Wow!!! 2 TD's a game now equates to bad defense? I'll put my money on teams expecting D's to give up 2 TD's a game on D rather than 2 pick sixes. Have you ever seen a team that relies on a pick 6 for a win? Not your best analysis, TK.

You missed the point.

If frogs had wings...

We won the game. Schaub was a big part of that.

thunderkyss
09-16-2013, 08:05 AM
First, a missed FG was the reason the game wen't into OT. Schaub did everything he needed to do to put it away and Bullock didn't.

3


We missed 3 field goals.

thunderkyss
09-16-2013, 08:45 AM
Can we all agree that the Texans will need Schaub to play much, much better than he did the last six weeks of last season?... Also, can we agree that Schaub has played long stretches of very good football as a Texan?

I agree with your assessment of Schaub's limitations (arm and feet). Schaub has a good release but is a long strider which gets him into problems when he has pressure in his face. I don't think, however, that his limitations are greater than his assets as a QB. Sure, there are 5-6 Qbs I would much rather go into the playoffs with and another 4-5 I'd prefer looking at the long term health of the franchise. So be it. I'm not sure what can be done about that.


MSR...

I was watching the game with a bona-fide Schaub hater, but yesterday he had no complaints. The Titans only recorded 2 sacks yesterday because of penalties, there were a few others that didn't count. After that roughing the passer penalty, one of those Titans laid Schaub out, of a free release.

Well, he did complain about the throws short of the sticks, but other than that he was more upset with the OL (especially DBrown76) than he was with Schaub.

thunderkyss
09-16-2013, 08:50 AM
Kareem Jackson was terrrrrrrrrrrible on that long drive. Ugh.

I'd like to see the all 22 on that first play where they said he let the receiver go. I'm suspecting he fell down, or slipped... but it's possible he was pushed.

I like that hit he put on Kendal Wright.... illegal as hell, he'll most likely get fined, but receivers need to know. He was jawing with Delanie Walker after that hit, then he goes high to try to stop Walker from getting into the endzone.... that didn't make sense.

Neither Wright or Walker was his assignment on those plays though. He came off his guy to make those plays. So I don't know if we can say he was terrrrrrrrrrrible. Not smart, sure. But they didn't throw the ball to the guy he was covering on the final two plays of that drive.

eriadoc
09-16-2013, 08:52 AM
Schaub looked like crap for most of the game. I don't give a damn what the stats say. He sailed balls high, threw short of the sticks, and looked like crap in the pocket. However, at the end of the game, he nutted up and played great. The sideline throws to Hopkins were great. The fade to Hopkins on the left side of the EZ that Hop didn't bring in was a great throw. Of course, the flip side to the comeback argument is that a comeback wouldn't have been necessary if he hadn't looked like **** for about 55 minutes of the game.

The tip ball INTs are not on him so much. I guess all QBs have some responsibility for choosing a clean passing lane, but if you want to ding Schaub for those, then don't give JJ Watt credit for them on the other end. Just blame the opposing QB, right?

Kaiser Toro
09-16-2013, 09:03 AM
The Chargers and Titans are better than folks thought at the beginning of the year, IMO. Schaub's limitations, against pressure, were evident again - if he is throwing off his back foot bad things happen. However, he did stand strong in the pocket manyt times, took some big hits and got back up. Kubiak needs to figure out what do with Schaub's roll-outs should he see/feel pressure. There is more downside to these roll-outs than upside at this moment.

I saw adjustments being made on the both sides of the ball, and new players and expected stars contributing to the comeback.

In my honest critique - that win was the type a team needs on the path to a Super Bowl. We got better yesterday.

ChampionTexan
09-16-2013, 09:17 AM
Not to complain about wins, but we beat titans and chargers. If they get down vs a manning, rogers type, game over. Theyre not trying to protect a lead, theyre trying to incr2ase it.

I'm not a Matt Schaub fan, but last year we started horribly against the Broncos. Then Matt Schaub went nutts & kicked their a55.


I'm not sure being down 5-0 halfway through the first quarter is exactly what he means by "If they get down". We took a 7-5 lead on the Broncos with slightly more than 6 minutes left in the first quarter, and led by as many as 20 points before Denver got their first TD in the 4th quarter.

With that said, I think the idea that this offense isn't built to come back is a myth that somebody started, and then it just kind of caught on. It is built to come back if the need is there - it's just not run that way very often when the need isn't there.

2012Champs
09-16-2013, 09:33 AM
Schaub is wishy-washy at best. Quite often it's his inconsistent play that puts the team in positions that dictate he must throw the ball. He looks antsy and nervous 90% of the time he's under any kind of pressure and doesn't do a great job of consistently extending broken plays.
He's very bad when he has to double clutch and pump action fake is something he's only heard about. Actually, he might've done the PAF twice in his career.



Hey look its Schaub's biggest fan

2012Champs
09-16-2013, 09:34 AM
Keep going by the stat line. That'll make more goat cheese. :cheese:

Stats don't tell the real story or the whole story. Schaub has looked shakey for long stretches in both games. Yes, he has led comebacks, but that doesn't make him Joe Montana. If Schaub hadn't thrown pick 6's in each game, neither one would've been as close as they were.



He threw a pick 6 in each game?

2012Champs
09-16-2013, 09:36 AM
schaub homers call a 2 int day pretty good.
last week schaub had an int 15secs into the game and we have homers posting schaub is superman.

:wadepalm::kubepalm:



And Schaub haters ignore tipped balls

CloakNNNdagger
09-16-2013, 09:56 AM
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Houston is the first team since the 1970 merger to win each of its first two games of the season on the game’s final play.
13h

HOU-TEX
09-16-2013, 09:57 AM
There were a few ugly plays and performances yesterday. The one that bothers me most is the play of the Oline. Two weeks in a row they've been beaten by blitzes and the titans were bringing it. Wade had a rough outing yesterday, DB got beat a few times as did Newton.

Definitely things that are correctable, but the big nasty's were supposed to be one of our strong points

Allstar
09-16-2013, 10:58 AM
Neither Wright or Walker was his assignment on those plays though. He came off his guy to make those plays. So I don't know if we can say he was terrrrrrrrrrrible. Not smart, sure. But they didn't throw the ball to the guy he was covering on the final two plays of that drive.

He gave them a +15 for that hit in a 6 point ball game when they were gaining momentum. Terrible. He missed a TD saving tackle. Very bad. That 99 yd drive made me feel like I did when he was a rook.

76Texan
09-16-2013, 11:00 AM
There were a few ugly plays and performances yesterday. The one that bothers me most is the play of the Oline. Two weeks in a row they've been beaten by blitzes and the titans were bringing it. Wade had a rough outing yesterday, DB got beat a few times as did Newton.

Definitely things that are correctable, but the big nasty's were supposed to be one of our strong points

I thought the O-line play was adequate, not great, but not bad, against the Titans.
Some blitzes and stunts are the responsibility of the QB.
Schaub didn't play great, but he played well enough for the offense to score that many points, even with the 3 missed FGs.
The Titans secondary played physical; the refs let them play, and sometimes that doesn't help the QB.
It was a very good game overall, and the whole team, except for Bullock, deserve the game ball, IMO.

thunderkyss
09-16-2013, 11:03 AM
He gave them a +15 for that hit in a 6 point ball game when they were gaining momentum. Terrible. He missed a TD saving tackle. Very bad. That 99 yd drive made me feel like I did when he was a rook.

Ok... I disagree.

Not smart to take off Kendal Wright's head. He was not covering Wright, so it wasn't his terrible play for Wright to get open... wide open. He should have played through Wright's body, hit him in the kidney or something. That wasn't a terrible play, it was a stup1d play (semantics).

The poor tackle... maybe he's thinking about Swearinger getting fined for going low on Dustin Keller... again, stup1d. He's not going to keep Walker out of the endzone going high.

76Texan
09-16-2013, 11:06 AM
He gave them a +15 for that hit in a 6 point ball game when they were gaining momentum. Terrible. He missed a TD saving tackle. Very bad. That 99 yd drive made me feel like I did when he was a rook.

I don't see it that way, Allstar.

I rewatched the game, and the hit was lower than the one Pollard put on AJ.
KJax actually made contact with the receiver a chest area with his shoulder.
It was the violent impact that made the hit look bad.
Pollard's forearm and shoulder hit AJ head and the neck area.
That one was much more clear as an illegal hit.
I still would like for KJax to go in a little lower, but I don't know if I want to take away his aggressiveness.

76Texan
09-16-2013, 11:10 AM
Ok... I disagree.

Not smart to take off Kendal Wright's head. He was not covering Wright, so it wasn't his terrible play for Wright to get open... wide open. He should have played through Wright's body, hit him in the kidney or something. That wasn't a terrible play, it was a stup1d play (semantics).

The poor tackle... maybe he's thinking about Swearinger getting fined for going low on Dustin Keller... again, stup1d. He's not going to keep Walker out of the endzone going high.

This was in a four-deep, three-under zone with both JJo and KJax dropping back along with Manning and Keo.

KJax had to account for the outside receiver first.
That was his only chance on Walker.
He couldn't make a great play, but the offense had the upper hand here.
I wouldn't blame KJax on this one either.
I think DJ could play it better here.
When there are two receivers threatening the outside deep zone, he needed to stretch his (zone) further back and to the outside to help out.

Rey
09-16-2013, 11:17 AM
Yikes.

Allstar
09-16-2013, 11:18 AM
Ok... I disagree.

Not smart to take off Kendal Wright's head. He was not covering Wright, so it wasn't his terrible play for Wright to get open... wide open. He should have played through Wright's body, hit him in the kidney or something. That wasn't a terrible play, it was a stup1d play (semantics).

The poor tackle... maybe he's thinking about Swearinger getting fined for going low on Dustin Keller... again, stup1d. He's not going to keep Walker out of the endzone going high.

I don't see it that way, Allstar.

I rewatched the game, and the hit was lower than the one Pollard put on AJ.
KJax actually made contact with the receiver a chest area with his shoulder.
It was the violent impact that made the hit look bad.
Pollard's forearm and shoulder hit AJ head and the neck area.
That one was much more clear as an illegal hit.
I still would like for KJax to go in a little lower, but I don't know if I want to take away his aggressiveness.
Alright, I'll give you guys the benefit of the doubt. I watched it live and intoxicated, maybe things weren't as bad for him as it looked at first glance. Either way, it feels a whole lot better arguing about this after a win than a loss!

76Texan
09-16-2013, 11:18 AM
I haven't got the chance to look at the All-22; they are usually not available until noon or later on Monday.

It was cover two man under on the play that the receiver got past KJax on the side line.

I'm not sure if the D call here yet, but there was a good possibility that KJax dropped his coverage to play underneath due to the route patterns of all the receivers on his side.

With only one receiver running a vertical, Manning should probably be in better position to defend that route (similar to Pollard).

Some coaches teach the CB to follow the receiver deep, and if that's the case, then KJax blew the coverage.
But since we can't be sure what the D call is in this instance, we really can't tell.
If only somebody can pose this question to Wade directly.

At any rate, one poor play does not describe a player, especially when he made several nice plays throughout the game.

Rey
09-16-2013, 11:19 AM
Ok... I disagree.

Not smart to take off Kendal Wright's head. He was not covering Wright, so it wasn't his terrible play for Wright to get open... wide open. He should have played through Wright's body, hit him in the kidney or something. That wasn't a terrible play, it was a stup1d play (semantics).

The poor tackle... maybe he's thinking about Swearinger getting fined for going low on Dustin Keller... again, stup1d. He's not going to keep Walker out of the endzone going high.

Was swearinger fined? I don't remember him getting fined for that.

76Texan
09-16-2013, 11:22 AM
Alright, I'll give you guys the benefit of the doubt. I watched it live and intoxicated, maybe things weren't as bad for him as it looked at first glance. Either way, it feels a whole lot better arguing about this after a win than a loss!

I didn't like it when I watched it live either, except for the hit.
I thought the hit was good, but I also understand that the ref can call it the way they did.

And that makes a tough situation for the CB.
Tony Dungy made a point on this play as well.
He doesn't like the rule, and he said it can force the CB to go low; the result is a greater chance for bad injuries to the receivers.

Rey
09-16-2013, 11:27 AM
I haven't got the chance to look at the All-22; they are usually not available until noon or later on Monday.

It was cover two man under on the play that the receiver got past KJax on the side line.

I'm not sure if the D call here yet, but there was a good possibility that KJax dropped his coverage to play underneath due to the route patterns of all the receivers on his side.

With only one receiver running a vertical, Manning should probably be in better position to defend that route (similar to Pollard).

Some coaches teach the CB to follow the receiver deep, and if that's the case, then KJax blew the coverage.
But since we can't be sure what the D call is in this instance, we really can't tell.
If only somebody can pose this question to Wade directly.

At any rate, one poor play does not describe a player, especially when he made several nice plays throughout the game.

You can't be sure of what the d call is in any instance.

And even if you do think you know what the call is, there is a thing called game planning where coaches will deviate from the norm or what's commonly seen and give particular instructions based on the opponent/situation.

76Texan
09-16-2013, 11:35 AM
You can't be sure of what the d call is in any instance.

And even if you do, there is a thing called game planning where coaches will deviate from the norm or what's commonly seen and give particular instructions based on the opponent.

I agree.
That's why we should look at 'em plays from as many angles as we can.
When there's a real question mark, it's best to ask the big honcho Wade.

Playoffs
09-16-2013, 11:50 AM
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Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro
Earl Mitchell played 49% of defensive snaps. That's significant for a NT. #Texans

Joe Mays had 28 snaps and Darryl Sharpton had 19. They were expected to split and did. They were also on the field together some.

Foster got 61 snaps. Ben Tate got 21. Foster had 19 carries. Tate had nine. #Texans

Even with Johnson going down late, DeVier Posey didn't get a single snap on offense. Got four on special teams. #Texans

Next highest snaps on Offense: Daniels (80/98%), Hopkins (75/91%), Johnson & Foster (61/73%), Graham (45/55%), Martin (34/41%). #Texans

Schaub and Offensive-line had 82 snaps. Duane Brown had 78 because he missed a few when he hurt his foot. #Texans

Hey guys, it's your favorite part of the week! #Texans snap counts!
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Nick Mathews ‏@Nick_Mathews
Matt Schaub is 16th in the NFL in QB rating at 92.8. He's 60-of-93 for 644 yards, 6 TDs, 3 picks.

#Texans have run 158 offensive plays in two games -- just one behind NFL leader New England.

#Texans are averaging 5.2 yards per rush, second behind only Oakland's 5.9.

#Texans' Matt Schaub has the second-most completions in the NFL at 60, behind only Tony Romo's 66.

The #Texans are fourth in the NFL in offense with 901 yards. 1. Packers, 2. Eagles, 3. Broncos, 4. Texans 5. Giants.

bOODRO87
09-16-2013, 12:29 PM
A win is a win, but we aren't looking very Super Bowl-ish. That pick 6 from Schaub is nothing new. Slow starts and lackluster 3rd down play calling. We don't play with a killer instinct so far. Kinda worrisome if you ask me. We'll see if we take it up a notch.

infantrycak
09-16-2013, 01:11 PM
Was swearinger fined? I don't remember him getting fined for that.

No he was not fined for the Keller hit.

PapaL
09-16-2013, 01:14 PM
At any rate, one poor play does not describe a player, especially when he made several nice plays throughout the game.


There's no room for reasoning here! This is the over react section.

:toropalm:

thunderkyss
09-16-2013, 01:19 PM
Nick Mathews ‏@Nick_Mathews

Matt Schaub is 16th in the NFL in QB rating at 92.8. He's 60-of-93 for 644 yards, 6 TDs, 3 picks.


He's on pace for 5,152 yards, 48 TDs, 24 INTs....

& 16 wins. :kitten:

Thorn
09-16-2013, 01:24 PM
He's on pace for 5,152 yards, 48 TDs, 24 INTs....

& 16 wins. :kitten:

:lol:


Now that's comedy!

eriadoc
09-16-2013, 02:31 PM
He's on pace for 5,152 yards, 48 TDs, 24 INTs....

& 16 wins. :kitten:

And that would probably put him middle of the pack if you also extrapolate everyone else's stats. ;)

Mr teX
09-16-2013, 03:10 PM
He is who he is...good protection, he's damn near surgical. Bad protection, he's a liability.....at times.

But once again, tell me how's that different from 28-29 other starting qb's in the league.

Colin Kaepernick has everything Schaub lacks...Seattle made him look like Christian Ponder last night.

2012Champs
09-16-2013, 03:16 PM
And that would probably put him middle of the pack if you also extrapolate everyone else's stats. ;)



He is 4th in TD and ints and 8th in yards certainly not middle of the pack

CloakNNNdagger
09-16-2013, 06:05 PM
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DANG IT, ROOK! THIS IS HOW HIGH SCHAUB EXPECTS YOU TO JUMP NEXT TIME!!!!!

burro
09-16-2013, 07:10 PM
3


We missed 3 field goals.

I was referring specifically to the game winner, but yes. Something to say for our offense Sunday was that we were making it into the Titan's half of the field for most of the game and a fat kicker made it all moot.

1st drive - (1Q) Matt Schaub passes for a TD
2nd drive - (1Q) Reached Titans 32 yard line (FG No good)
3rd drive - (2Q) Reached own 47, Punt.
4th drive -(2Q) Reached Titans 31 yard line (FG No good)
5th drive (2Q) Reached Titans 42, Punt.
6th drive (2Q) Interception. Without knowing the actual design of that play, we can't say for sure whether it was on Hopkins or Schaub. Either way, both had a good game (actually, Hopkins had an amazing game...but you get the point

7th drive (3Q) Reached own 35, Punt.
8th drive (3Q) Matt Schaub passes for a TD
9th drive (3Q) Reached own 36, Punt.
10th drive (3Q) Reached own 44, Punt.
11th drive (3Q) Reached own 41, Punt.
12th drive (4Q) Reached Titans 40, Punt. Kubiak didn't even think about the 57 harder because Bullock sucks.
13th drive (4Q) Matt Schaub throws for a TD.
14th drive (4Q) Ends on own 9, Punt. This was a complete melt down by the offensive line. Schaub didn't even have time to "assume the fetal position" as people around here like to say.
15th drive (4Q) Running TD. Schaub and Hopkins were destroying it on this drive. Schaub completed 3 passes to Hopkins for 64 yards on this drive.
16th drive (4Q) Ends on Titans 28. I'll give you two guesses...

17 drive (OT) Matt Schaub throws game winning TD pass to Hopkins, having previously set it up with a really sweet 25 yard pass to Hopkins.

As you can see, with the exception a brief dry spell in the 3rd Quarter and an unlucky interception, the offense was moving the ball quite well. 11/17 drives ended in Tennessee territory.

eriadoc
09-16-2013, 09:50 PM
As you can see, with the exception a brief dry spell in the 3rd Quarter and an unlucky interception, the offense was moving the ball quite well. 11/17 drives ended in Tennessee territory.

The knock on the Texans offense, and Schaub in particular, isn't whether they can move the ball. Most of us that are Schaub "haters" have pointed out many times how he gets his stats between the 20s. Eight punts and an INT means your offense sucks on that day. Do that often enough and it just means your offense sucks.

burro
09-16-2013, 10:58 PM
The knock on the Texans offense, and Schaub in particular, isn't whether they can move the ball. Most of us that are Schaub "haters" have pointed out many times how he gets his stats between the 20s. Eight punts and an INT means your offense sucks on that day. Do that often enough and it just means your offense sucks.

We've scored 61 points (54 if you take away Cushing's pick 6) in 2 games and are 4th in total offense. That doesn't suck at all - regardless of how you get there.

Also, Lechler has only punted 10 times this season. Less than Allen (NE), Colquitt (DEN), Koch (BAL) - do these offenses suck as well?

thunderkyss
09-16-2013, 11:40 PM
We've scored 61 points (54 if you take away Cushing's pick 6) in 2 games and are 4th in total offense. That doesn't suck at all - regardless of how you get there.

Also, Lechler has only punted 10 times this season. Less than Allen (NE), Colquitt (DEN), Koch (BAL) - do these offenses suck as well?

I guarantee you the coaches & players are working on "fixing" this offense. We've done some good things, done some bad things. This offense is not what we like to see (The TDs are good).

maybe some of us are a tad dry in our delivery.... but we're all fans. We all want the same things.


Yes, New England's & Baltimore's offenses suck right now.

Malloy
09-18-2013, 12:38 PM
Pollard hit with a 42k fine for the hit on AJ.

So was Kareem Jackson.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000246558/article/bernard-pollard-fined-42k-for-hit-on-andre-johnson