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EllisUnit
09-12-2013, 10:57 PM
Pffffffff yeah Freaking right....... Thats like putting David Carr in the Hall of Fame.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/53819/why-bud-adams-isnt-a-hall-of-famer

“Besides the playoffs, one thing I would like to accomplish is to be considered in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I realize there may be some hard feelings about me moving the team to Nashville, but I truly feel my body of work …

“I don’t like tooting my own horn. But at my age, and now being the senior NFL owner, there is no one from back in those days than can really speak up for me now. I really feel this year could be a year I get serious consideration after 53 years. I’m sure hoping that’s the case.”

Besides the play-offs ??? Are you freaking kidding me.

TEXANRED
09-12-2013, 11:03 PM
Pffffffff yeah Freaking right....... Thats like putting David Carr in the Hall of Fame.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/53819/why-bud-adams-isnt-a-hall-of-famer



Besides the play-offs ??? Are you freaking kidding me.

I hate Bud Adams for screwing Houston, but what he did for the AFC and the NFL he deserves to be there.

EllisUnit
09-12-2013, 11:32 PM
I hate Bud Adams for screwing Houston, but what he did for the AFC and the NFL he deserves to be there.

If adams hadnt left, then we wouldnt have one of the most bad ass logos in the nfl :)

brakos82
09-12-2013, 11:44 PM
I hate Bud Adams for screwing Houston, but what he did for the AFC and the NFL he deserves to be there.

Can we at least wait until he's dead just to spite him though? :kitten:

gwallaia
09-12-2013, 11:55 PM
**** Bud Adams.

EllisUnit
09-12-2013, 11:57 PM
**** Bud Adams.

Well said....Watch and learn from G here guys. He knows what he's talking about ;) !

jaayteetx
09-13-2013, 12:10 AM
See sig.

Showtime100
09-13-2013, 12:16 AM
He deserves to be there. I hate it, but he deserves to be there.

He even needs his own room there....that way we all visiting the HOF wouldn't catch his disease(s).

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r65/ShowtimeN15580/Houston%20Texans/er3losCtMCm8YC3lq0OKcg.jpg

I so hate that man. :bat:

NastyNate
09-13-2013, 01:21 AM
I rarely let people get a free parking spot in my brain via hatred, but he earned one. There aren't enough four letter words in the alphabet to truly describe my opinion of that "man". **** him.

False Start
09-13-2013, 09:23 AM
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/buddevil.jpg

eriadoc
09-13-2013, 09:34 AM
Time has softened my view on the team moving, because I feel like Houston is way better off now. We ended up with a better team and a better owner, so it was worth the times that were bleak, IMO. Houston loves football, but it's so much better to love a team like the Texans over the Oilers. That said, I don't see what he's done to earn a spot in the HOF. I mean, does the mere fact that he bought one of the original AFC teams mean he's deserving of the HOF? That's it? It's not like he started this franchise and then built this storied history. He basically has an also ran team. The Oilers had a few good years and of all the people responsible for the failures of the team, he's one of the biggest culprits. He fired the best coach in team history at the pinnacle of the team's success. He meddled with players and coaches, he fought the fan base, and he generally fostered a culture that wasn't conducive to winning. If you took the same collection of talent from the seven year run of playoff appearances and stuck them in Pittsburgh, Dallas, or hell, even Cincinnati, they would have at least gone to the Super Bowl.

He should be the first inductee of the Hall of Infamy.

Texan_Bill
09-13-2013, 09:40 AM
I hate Bud Adams for screwing Houston, but what he did for the AFC and the NFL he deserves to be there.

What did he do for the AFC? Well other than often being the doormat for the AFC.

His role in the formation of the AFL is overstated. It was Lamar Hunt that convinced Pud to start a franchise in Houston after Pud had shown interest in buying the NFL Cardinals and moving them from Chicago.

I don't think the owner of a franchise with a .492 winning percentage now in their 53rd or 54th season warrants said owner to be in the HOF.

In fact this POS should have an express ticket to the Hall of Shame.



**** you Pud Adams!!

disaacks3
09-13-2013, 09:44 AM
I hate Bud Adams for screwing Houston, but what he did for the AFC and the NFL he deserves to be there. Yep. Sad, but true.

Texan_Bill
09-13-2013, 09:52 AM
Yep. Sad, but true.

Not really Dan. A lot of revisionist history in his role in the formation of the AFL.

ChampionTexan
09-13-2013, 09:59 AM
What did he do for the AFC? Well other than often being the doormat for the AFC.

His role in the formation of the AFL is overstated. It was Lamar Hunt that convinced Pud to start a franchise in Houston after Pud had shown interest in buying the NFL Cardinals and moving them from Chicago.

I don't think the owner of a franchise with a .492 winning percentage now in their 53rd or 54th season warrants said owner to be in the HOF.

In fact this POS should have an express ticket to the Hall of Shame.



**** you Pud Adams!!

That's where I stand. I know what Lamar Hunt, Al Davis and Ralph Wilson did to get the AFL going and to facilitate the merger. Beyond having money, and living in a football crazed city in a football crazed state, I'm pretty much unfamiliar with the contributions of K.S. "Bud" Adams.

Seriously, if there's genuine contributions to the cause that I don't know about, I'd love to find out what they are, because I love hearing about the history of the AFL. It's just that with all I've heard, and all I remember, his name doesn't come up much in that regard.

pissknocker
09-13-2013, 10:58 AM
If adams hadnt left, then we wouldnt have one of the most bad ass logos in the nfl :)

Instead we would have this

Mr teX
09-13-2013, 11:30 AM
I hate Bud Adams for screwing Houston, but what he did for the AFC and the NFL he deserves to be there.

pretty much..../ thread

Hervoyel
09-13-2013, 11:37 AM
In fact this POS should have an express ticket to the Hall of Shame.

**** you Pud Adams!!


Founding member no less.

I try not to think about him much because the Oilers/Texans "break" sucked and I've never really been able to buy into the Texans like I did the Oilers. It's a childhood/nostalgia thing I guess and the Texans and Bob McNair are clearly better in every possible way. No argument there.

It's just that the Oilers were my team and now they don't exist. The Texans will most likely always be a work in progress for me to embrace completely.

Texan_Bill
09-13-2013, 12:03 PM
Founding member no less.

I try not to think about him much because the Oilers/Texans "break" sucked and I've never really been able to buy into the Texans like I did the Oilers. It's a childhood/nostalgia thing I guess and the Texans and Bob McNair are clearly better in every possible way. No argument there.

It's just that the Oilers were my team and now they don't exist. The Texans will most likely always be a work in progress for me to embrace completely.

No doubt, but so were the owners of the Boston Patriots, Los Angeles Chargers, Buffalo Bills, New York Titans, Raiders and Broncos.

*EDIT*

Oooops and the real hero of the league, Dallas Texans owner Lamar Hunt.

disaacks3
09-13-2013, 12:26 PM
Not really Dan. A lot of revisionist history in his role in the formation of the AFL.

However you want to slice it, he's a co-founder of the AFL, the announcement literally came from HIS office, not Hunt's. The Billy Cannon deal is one of the things that helped convince the NFL that the AFL was a serious contender for talent.

I won't invite the man to dinner anytime soon, but he held a pivotal role in the formation of "today's NFL".

If Art Modell, (who had rabid fan support in Cleveland and moved anyway) can be considered for the Hall, then why not Adams? Sure, the Oilers moved, but fan support had grown non-existent. Last Browns home game attendance? - 55,875 Last Oilers home game attendance? - 15,131 The Browns had a worse record to boot.

Revisionist I'm not. I may hate the man for the way he handled things in H-Town (from demanding upgrades we're still paying for to moving anyway, to not releasing the Oilers name), but he still helped make the league what it is.

Double Barrel
09-13-2013, 12:33 PM
I honestly do not see what he's done to EARN a place in the Professional Football Hall of Fame.

Longevity? Is that it? Being a shrewed business man in the early '60's? Really?

No NFL championships in 50+ years. Screwing honorable people like Bum Phillips and Earl Campbell. Running his franchise with the acumen of a used car salesman. Classless crap like flipping off the crowd (multiple times). Destroying one of the classic names, logo, and uniforms in the NFL. Pandering to his GREED.

Are these really the qualifications of a HALL OF FAMER???

If he gets in, it diminishes the Hall of Fame. Simply put, if they let this scumbag in the HoF, they cheapen the accomplishment and lower the standards of a hallowed institution.

eriadoc
09-13-2013, 12:36 PM
... but he still helped make the league what it is.

I don't buy it. He bought a team and helped found the AFL. Big freakin' whoop. He didn't do anything positive for the league. The parts he helped make are the bad business parts of the NFL - moving teams, screwing cities, raiding public coffers, etc.

What positive impact did he have on the NFL? I mean, I don't much care for Al Davis, but I can name four or five positive things he did for the NFL, and I've never even lived in CA or been a fan of the Raiders.

HOU-TEX
09-13-2013, 12:39 PM
To me, props for the AFL go to Lamar Hunt and Al Davis. Bud was just the little orange horse that followed Gumby around.


However, McGobbler is determined to get the assbag into the HOF

*Yes, I know the little orange horse is Pokey.

eriadoc
09-13-2013, 01:38 PM
However, McGobbler is determined to get the assbag into the HOF

I cannot stand that fat faced f(*%. Between his lack of support for Dr. Doom in the HOF and his nose stuck up Bud Adams' ass, I honestly wish that f*&^er would move to Tennessee and stop bothering Houstonians. ****, I'd trade him for a damn New Yorker, even. He is just about the most worthless "writer" this city has ever had.

Damn, I miss the Post.

Hervoyel
09-13-2013, 03:12 PM
No doubt, but so were the owners of the Boston Patriots, Los Angeles Chargers, Buffalo Bills, New York Titans, Raiders and Broncos.

*EDIT*

Oooops and the real hero of the league, Dallas Texans owner Lamar Hunt.

No, I meant that if they should open a Hall of Shame then Bud should be in the inaugural class. (but looking at it now it makes sense the other way too)

Hervoyel
09-13-2013, 03:14 PM
However you want to slice it, he's a co-founder of the AFL, the announcement literally came from HIS office, not Hunt's. The Billy Cannon deal is one of the things that helped convince the NFL that the AFL was a serious contender for talent.

I won't invite the man to dinner anytime soon, but he held a pivotal role in the formation of "today's NFL".

If Art Modell, (who had rabid fan support in Cleveland and moved anyway) can be considered for the Hall, then why not Adams? Sure, the Oilers moved, but fan support had grown non-existent. Last Browns home game attendance? - 55,875 Last Oilers home game attendance? - 15,131 The Browns had a worse record to boot.

Revisionist I'm not. I may hate the man for the way he handled things in H-Town (from demanding upgrades we're still paying for to moving anyway, to not releasing the Oilers name), but he still helped make the league what it is.


Anyone asked who had the scratch to put down and buy a team could say the same thing. His credentials amount to "I was in that picture".

**** him.

Dan B.
09-13-2013, 03:45 PM
After the revolution one of the former Soviet bloc countries (Estonia maybe?) took all the huge statues of Lenin, Stalin, and other Communist leaders in their national museum and moved them to guard the toilets. I'd be down to put Bud's bust in Canton's crapper.

Wolf
09-13-2013, 03:55 PM
Screw that. If adams gets in and Dr Doom can't.. complete bull****

Some need to read this zinger of truth
http://www.texnews.com/texsports97/oilers063097.html

chicagotexan2
09-13-2013, 04:07 PM
**** Bud Adams.

and *** him in the other ear.

chicagotexan2
09-13-2013, 04:10 PM
**** Bud Adams.

and **** him in the other ear.

chicagotexan2
09-13-2013, 04:11 PM
oops... double post

i guess that's both ears

Showtime100
09-13-2013, 04:31 PM
Screw that. If adams gets in and Dr Doom can't.. complete bull****

Some need to read this zinger of truth
http://www.texnews.com/texsports97/oilers063097.html

Fun read...well...you know what I mean.

Hennigan stayed on for two more seasons. Tight end Willie Frazier wasn't sure he would make it through one. On a team flight in 1964, Frazier's rookie year, the plane was forced to return to Houston shortly after takeoff. With one engine down and another sputtering, the pilot come on the intercom and made a crackly announcement that he was about to fly out over the Gulf of Mexico and "drop fuel."

Frazier panicked. A teammate asked him what was wrong.

Frazier was only a rookie, he explained. And now the pilot was going to have to "drop a few." Frazier figured he was a goner, for sure.

On a sad note the three-time Houston Oiler Willie Frazier died just last week on September 5th. Rest In Peace, Willie.

texanhead08
09-13-2013, 05:44 PM
However you want to slice it, he's a co-founder of the AFL, the announcement literally came from HIS office, not Hunt's. The Billy Cannon deal is one of the things that helped convince the NFL that the AFL was a serious contender for talent.

I won't invite the man to dinner anytime soon, but he held a pivotal role in the formation of "today's NFL".

If Art Modell, (who had rabid fan support in Cleveland and moved anyway) can be considered for the Hall, then why not Adams? Sure, the Oilers moved, but fan support had grown non-existent. Last Browns home game attendance? - 55,875 Last Oilers home game attendance? - 15,131 The Browns had a worse record to boot.

Revisionist I'm not. I may hate the man for the way he handled things in H-Town (from demanding upgrades we're still paying for to moving anyway, to not releasing the Oilers name), but he still helped make the league what it is.

The Oilers also played here 2 years after the move was announced. The fans said **** them once they said they were moving.

Playoffs
09-13-2013, 06:19 PM
I can think of a way Bum gains entry into the HOF... http://cdn.backyardchickens.com/a/a1/50x50px-ZC-a123bd6e_mopping-smiley-emoticon.gif

eriadoc
09-13-2013, 06:40 PM
From the link above:

The Oilers' contributions to the Pro Football Hall of Fame can barely be called Oilers contributions. Consider the case of:

- Ken Houston. One of the NFL's best safeties, Houston was traded by the Oilers to Washington in 1973 for five players and a middle-round draft choice. The Oilers' only real dividend in the deal was tight end Mack Alston, who caught 72 passes over four seasons. Ken Houston played eight more seasons with the Redskins and became a Hall of Famer.

- Charlie Joiner. A promising receiver, Joiner was traded by the Oilers to Cincinnati in 1972 along with linebacker Ron Pritchard for running backs Fred Willis and Paul Robinson. Willis gave the Oilers 2,241 yards in five seasons. Joiner went on to stardom with Cincinnati and San Diego, then went on to the Hall of Fame.

- Steve Largent. The Oilers drafted the Tulsa receiver in the fourth round in 1976, then marked him for waivers in training camp. With a shrug, they traded him to Seattle for an eighth-round pick the following year. The Oilers used that pick to draft Steve Davis, a wide receiver from Georgia. Davis didn't make the team. Largent, the NFL's all-time leading receiver when he retired, made the Hall of Fame.

- Willie Brown. A Grambling product, Brown was cut by the Oilers as an undrafted free agent. Denver signed him in 1963. Within a year, Brown was an All-AFL cornerback. Brown went on to Oakland, where he completed a Hall of Fame career spanning 16 seasons.

eriadoc
09-13-2013, 06:44 PM
Also from the link above:

But the team's penchant for fourth-estate fisticuffs was established by Bud Adams himself. It happened in 1966 at a meeting of the AFL brass at the Shamrock Hilton. Al Davis, owner of the Oakland Raiders, had just been named the league's new commissioner.

Adams was called in from his ranch outside Houston to attend to urgent league business. Jack Gallagher, the often-acerbic Post scribe, showed up with a photographer to snap a picture of the new commissioner.

Adams greeted Gallagher with a crack about his bald top. Gallagher, noting Adams' ranch attire, suggested that Adams might not want to be photographed with the group. Adams retorted with an ethnic slur, Gallagher challenged him and, in a flash, the two were rumbling on the floor. Gallagher landed a punch to Adams' jaw. Adams caught Gallagher in the nose with his elbow. Davis and Buffalo owner Ralph Wilson jumped into the pile in an attempt to break up the fight.

The Post carried shots of the tangled combatants across seven columns on the front page. Other papers ran pictures of Davis engaged in his first official act as the AFL's new boss - busting up a brawl.

Still having problems figuring out what Bud Adams did for the game and for the league. I mean, it's easy to see the things he's done to the league ...

Hookem Horns
09-16-2013, 01:04 AM
Are all of the other AFL founding members in the HOF? Not sure the answer to that question. However the FACT that Bud Adams in not in the HOF speaks volumes that it's not only people in Houston that think he is a POS.

Wolf6151
09-16-2013, 01:56 AM
Other than being a long time team owner and a first class douche bag what has Adams done FOR the league to be worthy of HOF consideration?

Dread-Head
09-16-2013, 04:19 PM
:thinking: I didn't know @$$-holes Had a Hall of Fame. We Playa-haters have one, but we've never actually inducted anyone. It's in Philadelphia (ironically enough) and there are annual nominations, but we hate on each other too much to vote anyone in. Someone suggested that all the former Playa-haters of the year be inducted, but we all hated that idea AND the muff-hugga who came up with it.

disaacks3
09-16-2013, 05:06 PM
Are all of the other AFL founding members in the HOF? Not sure the answer to that question. However the FACT that Bud Adams in not in the HOF speaks volumes that it's not only people in Houston that think he is a POS.

Well, all the original owners (much less founders) of the AFL certainly aren't there. The following is a list of all owners in the Hall. If absence speaks volumes, they hate a bunch of folks.


Bert Bell 1933-1959 -- Commissioner - National Football League, 1946-1959; Team Owner - Philadelphia Eagles, 1933-1940, Pittsburgh Steelers, 1941-1946

Charles W. Bidwill, Sr. 1933-1947 -- Team Owner - Chicago Cardinals, 1933-1947

Al Davis 1963-2011 -- Team Owner - Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders, 1966-present; Head Coach - Oakland Raiders, 1963-1965; Commissioner - American Football League, 1966 Jim Finks 1964-1982, 1986-1992 -- Team Administrator - Minnesota Vikings, 1964-1973, Chicago Bears, 1974-1982, New Orleans Saints, 1986-1992

George Halas 1920-1983 -- Founder/Team Owner - Decatur Staleys/Chicago Staleys/Chicago Bears, 1920-1983; Head Coach - Decatur Staleys/Chicago Staleys/Chicago Bears, 1920-1929, 1933-1942, 1946-1955, 1958-1967; Co-Founder - National Football League, 1920

Lamar Hunt 1959-2006 -- Co-Founder - American Football League, 1959; Team Owner - Dallas Texans/Kansas City Chiefs, 1959-present

Earl (Curly) Lambeau 1919-1953 -- Team Founder/Coach/General Manager - Green Bay Packers, 1919-1949; Head Coach - Chicago Cardinals, 1950-1951, Washington Redskins, 1952-1953

Tim Mara 1925-1959 -- Founder/Team Owner - New York Giants, 1925-1959

Wellington Mara 1937-2005 -- Team Administrator/Team Owner - New York Giants, 1937-2005 George Preston Marshall 1932-1969 -- Founder/Team Owner - Boston Braves/Boston Redskins/Washington Redskins, 1932-1969

Dan Reeves 1941-1971 -- Team Owner - Cleveland/Los Angeles Rams, 1941-1971

Art Rooney 1933-1988 -- Founder/Team Owner - Pittsburgh Pirates/Steelers, 1933-1988 Dan Rooney 1955-present -- Team Administrator/Team Owner - Pittsburgh Steelers, 1955-present

Ralph Wilson, Jr. 1960-Present -- Founder/Team Owner Bufalo Bills Link (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/positions.aspx)

Playoffs
09-16-2013, 05:19 PM
Other than being a long time team owner and a first class douche bag what has Adams done FOR the league to be worthy of HOF consideration?

Well, he did steal a team for the folks in Possum Holler. http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii269/theogrit/1sm241farmer.gif

Hookem Horns
09-16-2013, 06:02 PM
Well, all the original owners (much less founders) of the AFL certainly aren't there. The following is a list of all owners in the Hall. If absence speaks volumes, they hate a bunch of folks.

Link (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/positions.aspx)

The name that stands out to me there is Ralph Wilson, Jr. Why would he be in over Bud?

Bud was one of the pioneer founders of the AFL along with Hunt and Wilson. I have to believe that if Bud were a class individual he would be in there. This right here is probably going to keep him out for good ...

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/1760046963/budsbirds.jpg

Double Barrel
09-16-2013, 06:35 PM
The name that stands out to me there is Ralph Wilson, Jr. Why would he be in over Bud?


I think the reason why Wilson over Adams in the HoF:

He was a guiding force in AFL policies that ensured success, such as gate and television revenue sharing. As one of only three AFL owners to be on relatively solid financial ground (along with Hunt and Bud Adams), Wilson lent the financially troubled Oakland Raiders $400,000 and was also willing to lend money to Billy Sullivan of the Patriots. Wilson helped keep those franchises afloat, likely saving the entire league from folding (the AFL was unique among professional football league in that not a single AFL franchise folded in its history).

Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Wilson)

According to the above, Wilson's impact on today's league was huge.

Revenue sharing has been one of the primary reasons why the league has grown as popular as it is and allowed smaller market teams to compete with larger market teams. The concept has been great for the health and longevity of the NFL.

And then basically saving the Raiders and Patriots with financial loans? The AFL never would have existed to merge with the NFL if he had not been so generous. And without the merger, it is doubtful that many of the AFL's styles of play would have made it to the NFL (especially the AFL's focus on the passing game). And without the merger, most likely no Super Bowl.

Bud Adams, on the other hand...MURDERED the Houston Oilers.

steelbtexan
09-16-2013, 06:41 PM
**** Bud Adams.

Repped

Thorn
09-16-2013, 10:22 PM
The only place Bud Adams belongs is thrown into a gigantic nest of fire ants.

hookinreds
09-17-2013, 06:00 PM
They already have a room for him at the HoF. It has its own door with a chrome latch and coat hook. Everyone who visits can bring a little gift for him and flush it right to his resting place in hell!

Corrosion
09-18-2013, 12:58 AM
Bud deserves to be in the HOF (No matter how much I dislike the bastard) ..... & I do like HookinReds idea for his space there.

Speedy
09-18-2013, 08:57 PM
Bud deserves to be in the HOF

Deserves to be in? For what? Because he's been around for 1,000 years? **** Bud. He hasn't done a damn thing FOR the game and doesn't "deserve" jack.