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gary
09-10-2013, 08:49 PM
The defense did not play well last night and we all may say there are new players, or Ed Reed did not play. First game. All true. But, I wonder how much has to do with rule changes. Defense is not the same the NFL and the fans prefers scoring over defense. Quarterbacks are better off.

EllisUnit
09-10-2013, 09:17 PM
The defense did not play well last night and we all may say there are new players, or Ed Reed did not play. First game. All true. But, I wonder how much has to do with rule changes. Defense is not the same the NFL and the fans prefers scoring over defense. Quarterbacks are better off.

I think we looked rusty, and uninspired. We werent playing disiplined football on offense or defense, and i think the opening INT and quick score by the chargers threw us off. I'm not worried about the D, Antonio Smith will be back next and the pass rush will be much better !

Allstar
09-10-2013, 09:19 PM
Our defense had a rough go for a half but still didn't give up a whole lot of yards. We played damn good defense the second half (if you can ignore the first drive).

SAMURAITEXAN
09-10-2013, 09:24 PM
I think missing Ninja had a lot to do with a lack of putting pressure on QB. The lack of pressure resulting giving enough time for opposition QB to complete pass which makes our DBs look bad.

ObsiWan
09-10-2013, 09:33 PM
The defense did not play well last night and we all may say there are new players, or Ed Reed did not play. First game. All true. But, I wonder how much has to do with rule changes. Defense is not the same the NFL and the fans prefers scoring over defense. Quarterbacks are better off.

Those are valid points/factors and I would add that we missed Antonio too.
But
They woke up and buckled down when it counted

gary
09-10-2013, 09:39 PM
I think we looked rusty, and uninspired. We werent playing disiplined football on offense or defense, and i think the opening INT and quick score by the chargers threw us off. I'm not worried about the D, Antonio Smith will be back next and the pass rush will be much better !Overall defense has become harder to play.

awc713
09-10-2013, 09:39 PM
We held their offense to around 10 yards in the second half, if I'm not mistaken.

That's not too bad. I guess. Yeah, they looked rusty in the first half, but I'm not worried about them. Once Antonio is back, and Ed Reed...we'll be fine. Our D, at least.

More worried about the offense play calling and Foster. Foster NEEDS to be back. NEEDS to be healthy. His ypc has been slipping and it's becoming noticeable. Now, a lot of isn't just him, but my point is that he needs to be healthy to be effective.

Luckily this was his first game back, so maybe this was just a "getting the feet wet" type of game for him.

EllisUnit
09-10-2013, 09:42 PM
Overall defense has become harder to play.

Oh i agree with that, but overall in the past off season not that many nig rule changes were made to the defense, only major one i saw was with RBs using crown of his helmet.

My point is not that much has changed on defense in the last 2 seasons so we will still be fine.

gary
09-10-2013, 09:51 PM
Oh i agree with that, but overall in the past off season not that many nig rule changes were made to the defense, only major one i saw was with RBs using crown of his helmet.

My point is not that much has changed on defense in the last 2 seasons so we will still be fine.Agree, but Brady, Manning, and others have brought more offense to game more than before..

TexansSeminole
09-10-2013, 10:35 PM
I think the passing game is too advanced and the rules are too far slanted toward offense in the NFL to run a predominantly man scheme. If you do so, you are likely to get burned by QBs and receivers that's are on point. As long as we run this scheme, we will likely have games where we get lit up in the passing game. Effective blitzing and knocking balls down at the line of scrimmage is pretty much our only chance to stop it. I don't expect us to be all that great against the pass this year.

infantrycak
09-10-2013, 10:37 PM
What rules are you saying changed this year which affected the Chargers game?

htowntexans1985
09-11-2013, 06:05 AM
Did anyone take into account the start time was 9:30 pm? The NFL screwed us their. The whole team look lackadaisical for two quarters. They looked tired and slow. West coast time plus a late start might have been an issue for them.

LikeMike
09-11-2013, 06:28 AM
I am not too worried about defense. We looked great for one half and rusty the other half. Watt, Cushing, Mercilus, Mitchell were coming of injuries - A. Smith and Ed Reed are still missing and should help (Smith was really missing in the running game).

We don`t have real holes on defense. Sure OLB depht looks shaky, ILB has question marks, CB3 looked bad - but all teams have problems like that. We have enough talent to be the best defense of the league.

thunderkyss
09-11-2013, 09:32 AM
The defense did not play well last night and we all may say there are new players, or Ed Reed did not play. First game. All true. But, I wonder how much has to do with rule changes. Defense is not the same the NFL and the fans prefers scoring over defense. Quarterbacks are better off.

Unless they changed a few rules back to the old rules between the first half & the second... I don't think it was a rule change issue.

Our defense kicked their ass in the second half with the most current rules intact.

NastyNate
09-11-2013, 10:28 AM
I really can't agree with a single assessment thus far in this thread. I feel the stubbornness of Wade Phillips to Blitz every other down is what got us into this mess in the first place. Of the 49 times Rivers was sacked last year, 35 came when rushing 4 or less. The guy can't deal with defenses dropping 6 into coverage, and yet, we sent 5 or 6 every other play. In addition, sending Swearinger to safety blitz is taking Danieal Manning's greatest quality away from his skill set, playing near the LOS and blitzing. I understand Ed Reed being out directly affects that decision but we have to be able to generate pressure without the blitz.

Phillips didn't adjust until after the opening TD drive in the third quarter, had he done so after the first 15 minutes we'd be singing a much different tune.

While I think this game plan will be much more effective against Jake Locker with his completion percentage woes, Phillip Rivers isn't the QB to play that game plan against. He sees single coverage matchups too easily and was picking on McCain and Reed.

dream_team
09-11-2013, 10:34 AM
I'm not in panic mode just yet, but I'm strongly discouraged by the pass rush. All of the scouting reports I've read before the game said the Charger's OL was horrible and the Texans will be pressuring Rivers all day. I didn't see that. Besides Watt, no one was beating their guy one-on-one. I know Antonio would have been a big help, but I don't want to get into that mode of thinking "we'll be better when so-and-so gets back". Our defense can't rely on everyone being healthy for the whole season.

I know McCain got repeatedly torched, but you're asking alot from a CB to being playing man so much. Either the pass rush needs to get to the QB extremely quick, or I'd like to see Wade call more diverse coverages.

dream_team
09-11-2013, 10:38 AM
I really can't agree with a single assessment thus far in this thread. I feel the stubbornness of Wade Phillips to Blitz every other down is what got us into this mess in the first place. Of the 49 times Rivers was sacked last year, 35 came when rushing 4 or less. The guy can't deal with defenses dropping 6 into coverage, and yet, we sent 5 or 6 every other play. In addition, sending Swearinger to safety blitz is taking Danieal Manning's greatest quality away from his skill set, playing near the LOS and blitzing. I understand Ed Reed being out directly affects that decision but we have to be able to generate pressure without the blitz.

Phillips didn't adjust until after the opening TD drive in the third quarter, had he done so after the first 15 minutes we'd be singing a much different tune.

While I think this game plan will be much more effective against Jake Locker with his completion percentage woes, Phillip Rivers isn't the QB to play that game plan against. He sees single coverage matchups too easily and was picking on McCain and Reed.

This too! ^^^

Everyone on here is so quick to jump on Kubiak's stubbornness on offense, but I don't understand why Wade gets a free pass. Wade's frequently repeated blitz & man-coverage is equivalent to Kubiak's persistence to stick with the run.

klockWork
09-11-2013, 11:23 AM
The two thing that I knew that would go into decline this season are Schaub and the Defense. After the SD game maybe there's hope that Schaub can improve. But the defense is still a glaring concern for me. SD biggest weakness is clearly their offensive line and yet we applied very little pressure at Rivers.

I watched the game from Palm Springs Ca and is mostly Chargers fan over there and after the game listening to their local sports radio folks were feeling upbeat even after a loss, particularly about how their offensive line held up in pass protection. I'm sick to my stomach hearing how they think their line stonewalled our Dline pass rush.

But my biggest issue with our defense is our Db's still don't play the ball when it's in the air, particularly on man coverage. J.Jo use to play the ball all the time when he was in Cincy. In his first year in Houston he played the ball most of the time. In his second year game after game I noticed he's playing it less and less. That long passing play Rivers completed in the beginning of the 2nd half Joseph was stride for stride with his man. The ball was in the air forever. Joseph never once look up but contend to play the receiver instead. If he bother to look up the ball was there for the taking.

If Johnathan Joseph, a player whose always played the ball in his entire career, switched teams, then gradually loses that habit, is that on him? Or is that his coaches not emphasizing that on their players? Does anybody have any recent memory of one of our Db's playing the ball on a long pass? Next week against the Titans I can guarantee there will be a long completed pass or a pass interference flag against our Db's because they didn't bother to look up at the ball. I just hope it doesn't cost us the game.

Tailgate
09-11-2013, 11:44 AM
Barring injuries, this Defense will only get better as the year goes on. Reed comes around, Mays and Swearinger will get more experience, and Cushing should get better further removed from ACL.

A key still is Mercilus. If this guy breaks out, lookout. Another is possibly seeing more zone packages rolled out for high octane teams.

silvrhand
09-11-2013, 11:51 AM
Barring injuries, this Defense will only get better as the year goes on. Reed comes around, Mays and Swearinger will get more experience, and Cushing should get better further removed from ACL.

A key still is Mercilus. If this guy breaks out, lookout. Another is possibly seeing more zone packages rolled out for high octane teams.

In a 3-4 defense we don't have the outside linebacker than can put up the big numbers we need. Reed has dropped off, Mercilus.. not a proven factor yet, and we rely on Watt..

Not good, we really need someone else to step up and be a 10 sack a year guy.

Tailgate
09-11-2013, 11:56 AM
In a 3-4 defense we don't have the outside linebacker than can put up the big numbers we need. Reed has dropped off, Mercilus.. not a proven factor yet, and we rely on Watt..

Not good, we really need someone else to step up and be a 10 sack a year guy.

Again, Mercilus is def a key to take it to next level. I thought he showed at least some flash on Monday, so there is hope for this yet. Otherwise adding Cush, Mays, Swearinger, Reed >>>>>>> Quin meaning our D should still be improved over last year.

busterspencer
09-11-2013, 12:23 PM
I am not too worried about defense. We looked great for one half and rusty the other half. Watt, Cushing, Mercilus, Mitchell were coming of injuries - A. Smith and Ed Reed are still missing and should help (Smith was really missing in the running game).

We don`t have real holes on defense. Sure OLB depht looks shaky, ILB has question marks, CB3 looked bad - but all teams have problems like that. We have enough talent to be the best defense of the league.

The rules have changed but our coaching has not. We can not cover recievers one on one every play and our blitzes are not getting enough preasure on the QB. The offense is completeing too many long plays on us.

eriadoc
09-11-2013, 12:30 PM
What rules are you saying changed this year which affected the Chargers game?

The "rule" where offensive lineman get to hold JJ Watt on every other play. If this continues, it's basically going to be like the NBA, where different players are allowed to be molested.

Fico
09-11-2013, 01:16 PM
But my biggest issue with our defense is our Db's still don't play the ball when it's in the air, particularly on man coverage. J.Jo use to play the ball all the time when he was in Cincy. In his first year in Houston he played the ball most of the time. In his second year game after game I noticed he's playing it less and less. That long passing play Rivers completed in the beginning of the 2nd half Joseph was stride for stride with his man. The ball was in the air forever. Joseph never once look up but contend to play the receiver instead. If he bother to look up the ball was there for the taking.

If Johnathan Joseph, a player whose always played the ball in his entire career, switched teams, then gradually loses that habit, is that on him? Or is that his coaches not emphasizing that on their players? Does anybody have any recent memory of one of our Db's playing the ball on a long pass? Next week against the Titans I can guarantee there will be a long completed pass or a pass interference flag against our Db's because they didn't bother to look up at the ball. I just hope it doesn't cost us the game.

You don't play the ball in man coverage, you play the man.The only time you look back for the ball is if you are in perfect position, if you are in a trail position, even by 1 step, then you play the man and the hands. Man coverage is for sacks and pass breakups, zone coverage is for turnovers and big play prevention.

Personally , I think we play too much man and loved when we started playing some two deep shell in the 2nd half. You can still bring a variety of pressure looks and make plays on the ball. Also we are forcing the QB to read post snap and we were not having our coverage dictated by formation.

CeeQue
09-11-2013, 01:29 PM
I really can't agree with a single assessment thus far in this thread. I feel the stubbornness of Wade Phillips to Blitz every other down is what got us into this mess in the first place. Of the 49 times Rivers was sacked last year, 35 came when rushing 4 or less. The guy can't deal with defenses dropping 6 into coverage, and yet, we sent 5 or 6 every other play. In addition, sending Swearinger to safety blitz is taking Danieal Manning's greatest quality away from his skill set, playing near the LOS and blitzing. I understand Ed Reed being out directly affects that decision but we have to be able to generate pressure without the blitz.

Phillips didn't adjust until after the opening TD drive in the third quarter, had he done so after the first 15 minutes we'd be singing a much different tune.

While I think this game plan will be much more effective against Jake Locker with his completion percentage woes, Phillip Rivers isn't the QB to play that game plan against. He sees single coverage matchups too easily and was picking on McCain and Reed.

My thoughts exactly... we don't have the secondary to play man coverage against the above average QBs in the league. I'm still seeing our DBs and safeties playing chase with WRs and TEs on intermediate and deep routes vs. being in position to turn around and defend the pass.

Something has to change or we're going to be out of the playoffs early just like the last 2 years.

TexansSeminole
09-11-2013, 02:04 PM
My thoughts exactly... we don't have the secondary to play man coverage against the above average QBs in the league. I'm still seeing our DBs and safeties playing chase with WRs and TEs on intermediate and deep routes vs. being in position to turn around and defend the pass.

Something has to change or we're going to be out of the playoffs early just like the last 2 years.

Nobody has the secondary to play man coverage 90% of the time. Even with 3 pro bowl corners, it's not going to work. That's the point. The scheme is a failure against good passing teams. Like I said, our only chance is to get to the quarterback extremely early, almost every passing play, or knock balls down at the LOS. That's also near impossible to do.

Hottoddie
09-11-2013, 02:13 PM
My feelings during the first half were......, "Well, I guess preseason is a little more important than anyone seems to think." I do think they missed Antonio, but they were very lethargic & didn't seem ready to play the game. Thank God they woke up in the second half.

thunderkyss
09-11-2013, 02:20 PM
This too! ^^^

Everyone on here is so quick to jump on Kubiak's stubbornness on offense, but I don't understand why Wade gets a free pass. Wade's frequently repeated blitz & man-coverage is equivalent to Kubiak's persistence to stick with the run.

I personally don't get on Wade about being stubborn, is because I just don't see it. I don't think we played zone any more in the second half than we did in the first.

If the guys on the TV say we're playing man coverage doesn't necessarily make it so. It wasn't true in the Patriots game, it wasn't true in Monday night's game.

IMO, the biggest difference was who was playing what. Instead of playing Manning on the line & attacking the QB (like he did with 7:13 left in the first half) he put him on Antonio Gates in the second half.

Instead of Brian Cushing as the primary blitzer, like he was saying in the first half, he dropped Brian into coverage in the second half instead of Mays.

That one pass thrown past Brooks Reed for the TD..... I didn't see any other, could have been beat if Brooks had not let Matthews get into his route free. He should have put his hands on him, slowed him down.... that play wouldn't have happened, had nothing to do with the defensive play call.

As far as McCain getting beat in man coverage.... I said in another thread, that I've never seen Eddie Royal run so many routes so well. That is not his game. He was a second round bust, because he couldn't run anything but a go route. I would have expected him to hit us with a go route at some time during the game & I can't think of anyone other than Brice McCain who'd be fast enough to play him man-to-man. If I'd have known he was going to be running routes like that I'd have put the more physical Kareem on Royal, or Brandon Harris.

76Texan
09-11-2013, 02:35 PM
Everything brings back to what Gary has been saying.
The defense is at a disadvantage.

It doesn't really make sense about wanting a DC to vary between man and zone or something in between. It's really more about execution.

It's all nice and neat that we seat back here and ask a long-time DC like Wade to vary his scheme. Please pardon my language, but it's like asking the most astute ladies of the night if they know the tricks; it's ridiculous at best/

TexansSeminole
09-11-2013, 02:56 PM
I personally don't get on Wade about being stubborn, is because I just don't see it. I don't think we played zone any more in the second half than we did in the first.

If the guys on the TV say we're playing man coverage doesn't necessarily make it so. It wasn't true in the Patriots game, it wasn't true in Monday night's game.

IMO, the biggest difference was who was playing what. Instead of playing Manning on the line & attacking the QB (like he did with 7:13 left in the first half) he put him on Antonio Gates in the second half.

Instead of Brian Cushing as the primary blitzer, like he was saying in the first half, he dropped Brian into coverage in the second half instead of Mays.

That one pass thrown past Brooks Reed for the TD..... I didn't see any other, could have been beat if Brooks had not let Matthews get into his route free. He should have put his hands on him, slowed him down.... that play wouldn't have happened, had nothing to do with the defensive play call.

As far as McCain getting beat in man coverage.... I said in another thread, that I've never seen Eddie Royal run so many routes so well. That is not his game. He was a second round bust, because he couldn't run anything but a go route. I would have expected him to hit us with a go route at some time during the game & I can't think of anyone other than Brice McCain who'd be fast enough to play him man-to-man. If I'd have known he was going to be running routes like that I'd have put the more physical Kareem on Royal, or Brandon Harris.

There's so much fail in this post TK. From not running man coverage against the pats, to us not doing so in this game, to the Mathews TD not being an issue with the defensive play call, to Eddie Royal not being a good route runner, to Royal being a strictly go route guy. Huge fail all around.

amazing80
09-11-2013, 06:13 PM
Our defense will be fine if we get a better corner to play the slot. Mccain is terrible and Harris never showed anything either. We should consider a trade ASAP.

Uncle Rico
09-11-2013, 06:45 PM
Didn't play well for 2 1/3 quarters. After that they completely shut everything down. Thought I read a stat somewhere that said for the final 25 plays or so they only allowed 10 yards. That's alpha as **** right there, and all without Ninja and Gramps in the secondary.

When do fans just stop looking for outs? Players are the ones that have to execute, I find it amusing that some fans would rather bash on the coaching staff, and then give Shiloh Keo a free pass for blowing the assignment that led to the big gainer coming out of halftime, or the handful of other mental mistakes that were made throughout the game.

thunderkyss
09-12-2013, 07:48 AM
I find it amusing that some fans would rather bash on the coaching staff, and then give Shiloh Keo a free pass for blowing the assignment that led to the big gainer coming out of halftime, or the handful of other mental mistakes that were made throughout the game.

Or the missed tackles. Both Cushing & Watt got their hands on Matthews plenty of times in the backfield, just wasn't able to bring him down. One in particular made Cushing look silly as he faceplanted into the ground. One minute, Matthews was there, next minute he wasn't.

Normally we expect these guys (Cushing & Watt) to make those plays.

Personally I think the missed tackles has something to do with the nature of the practices with the new contract agreement. But if that's what the players want, less contact at practice, they need to bring it on game-day.

Week 1, just like week 16.

deucetx
09-12-2013, 10:14 AM
I really can't agree with a single assessment thus far in this thread. I feel the stubbornness of Wade Phillips to Blitz every other down is what got us into this mess in the first place. Of the 49 times Rivers was sacked last year, 35 came when rushing 4 or less. The guy can't deal with defenses dropping 6 into coverage, and yet, we sent 5 or 6 every other play. In addition, sending Swearinger to safety blitz is taking Danieal Manning's greatest quality away from his skill set, playing near the LOS and blitzing. I understand Ed Reed being out directly affects that decision but we have to be able to generate pressure without the blitz.

Phillips didn't adjust until after the opening TD drive in the third quarter, had he done so after the first 15 minutes we'd be singing a much different tune.

While I think this game plan will be much more effective against Jake Locker with his completion percentage woes, Phillip Rivers isn't the QB to play that game plan against. He sees single coverage matchups too easily and was picking on McCain and Reed.

Completely agree. Yes, players have to execute but it is up to the coaches to recognize their personnel and opposition and devise a gameplan accordingly. What we came out doing in the first half was EXACTLY what we did last year and got ate alive. I know the commentators try to say 'elite' QB's (though I hardly call Stafford one) but even freaking Chad Henne went off against that heavy blitz/man to man across the board package. While Henne isn't a great QB he isn't brain dead either.

If a QB has two wits of intelligence in reading a defense then that simply does not work in today's NFL on a 'consistent' basis. When we mixed it up then Rivers was forced to go through progressions. So by all means do it here and there but not every time you drop into nickle/sub packages. It's predictable. I was able to read man to man coverage when I was a freaking teenager playing a video game before I even became a cornerback. It's not hard for a veteran QB to figure it out and react quickly before the blitz can have an effect. You have to make him think and react longer than a mere 3-step drop.

So yeah execution is a part but coaching as well. You put the players in situations more in their control and their execution will benefit. We continue that way the defense will be fine. Since Locker is next we may blitz to kingdom come though.

The Pencil Neck
09-12-2013, 11:48 AM
Completely agree. Yes, players have to execute but it is up to the coaches to recognize their personnel and opposition and devise a gameplan accordingly. What we came out doing in the first half was EXACTLY what we did last year and got ate alive. I know the commentators try to say 'elite' QB's (though I hardly call Stafford one) but even freaking Chad Henne went off against that heavy blitz/man to man across the board package. While Henne isn't a great QB he isn't brain dead either.

If a QB has two wits of intelligence in reading a defense then that simply does not work in today's NFL on a 'consistent' basis. When we mixed it up then Rivers was forced to go through progressions. So by all means do it here and there but not every time you drop into nickle/sub packages. It's predictable. I was able to read man to man coverage when I was a freaking teenager playing a video game before I even became a cornerback. It's not hard for a veteran QB to figure it out and react quickly before the blitz can have an effect. You have to make him think and react longer than a mere 3-step drop.

So yeah execution is a part but coaching as well. You put the players in situations more in their control and their execution will benefit. We continue that way the defense will be fine. Since Locker is next we may blitz to kingdom come though.

I think there's a little more to it.

I think that QBs who are good at reading the defense and who are accurate with the ball can pick us apart. But the WRs have to be able to make the same reads and realize when they're the hot route. Against offenses that have both the QB and receivers who can do the right thing when they read the blitz, we have problems.

We also have problems because of the Weak/Strong thing we do most of the time. Usually, when the TE shifts from one side of the line to the other, our entire front has to switch. And that takes time. Brady ate us for breakfast when we did that. He'd have the TE switch the strong/weak front and before we could get set to match up, he'd have the ball snapped. That killed us.

In the game against San Diego, we did that some but in a few cases, they swapped strong/weak and we didn't shift. We were probably in zone at those times and that made me feel better.

Hopefully, Wade has recognized the weaknesses in his own defense OR Ed Reed has pointed them out to him. And hopefully, we get better D this year.

disaacks3
09-12-2013, 12:10 PM
In a 3-4 defense we don't have the outside linebacker than can put up the big numbers we need. Reed has dropped off, Mercilus.. not a proven factor yet, and we rely on Watt.

Not good, we really need someone else to step up and be a 10 sack a year guy. That someone IS Mercilus. Geez, the guy missed pre-season, STILL has a sack and you're on his a** about it? Give him three games, then let's see if you still think he's not that 10+ sack guy.

You don't play the ball in man coverage, you play the man.The only time you look back for the ball is if you are in perfect position, if you are in a trail position, even by 1 step, then you play the man and the hands. Man coverage is for sacks and pass breakups, zone coverage is for turnovers and big play prevention. I guess you need to define "perfect position". If you're stride-for-stride, you'd best be looking back for the ball, especially if there's any chance of contact.

HouTx11
09-12-2013, 05:08 PM
I liked the fact that the D turned it up in the 2nd half after the first drive. Having said that, the D had luck on their side as well, because a couple of key passes (which would've both gotten 1st downs for SD) were dropped by Gates and Royal.

I hope the D plays much better against the Titans.

dream_team
09-12-2013, 08:35 PM
Anyone know our philosophy on defensive audibles? Another thing Rivers was doing in the game (which the "elite QBs" are also known to do), is make alot of adjustments at the LOS. They break out of the huddle early, line up, assess the defense, and make adjustments/audibles at the LOS. In the first half, I thought Rivers was doing a good job of recognizing the blitz, where it was coming from, and how to exploit.

Anyone know if Cush, or someone else on D, has the ability to also make adjustments? If so, I don't really see it.

infantrycak
09-12-2013, 08:42 PM
Anyone know our philosophy on defensive audibles? Another thing Rivers was doing in the game (which the "elite QBs" are also known to do), is make alot of adjustments at the LOS. They break out of the huddle early, line up, assess the defense, and make adjustments/audibles at the LOS. In the first half, I thought Rivers was doing a good job of recognizing the blitz, where it was coming from, and how to exploit.

Anyone know if Cush, or someone else on D, has the ability to also make adjustments? If so, I don't really see it.

Cushing adjusts the front 7. Right now Manning, but it will probably become Reed, adjusts the DBs.

Corrosion
09-12-2013, 09:20 PM
Thoughts about defense


No me gusta lo que vimos en el primer la mitad :choke:


(Did I say that correctly ?!)

Uncle Rico
09-12-2013, 09:25 PM
Or the missed tackles. Both Cushing & Watt got their hands on Matthews plenty of times in the backfield, just wasn't able to bring him down. One in particular made Cushing look silly as he faceplanted into the ground. One minute, Matthews was there, next minute he wasn't.

Normally we expect these guys (Cushing & Watt) to make those plays.

Personally I think the missed tackles has something to do with the nature of the practices with the new contract agreement. But if that's what the players want, less contact at practice, they need to bring it on game-day.

Week 1, just like week 16.

Truth. It was very sloppy out there. Those are things that can be shored up as the players get into game shape. Game is physical enough I don't blame them for not wanting to knock heads all week long, but you're right they need not forget the fundamentals on game day.

I could be wrong, but I thought I heard on the radio that Cush improvises a lot out there, going off script and making spur of the moment decisions that maybe puts the defense off balance on some plays? And yes, I do understand the 'read and react' nature of a defensive player, but if certain schemes are called and he is out there freelancing, then that could also be tempered by a simple coaches meeting. Not trying to be controversial again, I don't have a source for this, just something that's coming to mind.

dalemurphy
09-12-2013, 09:32 PM
Anyone know our philosophy on defensive audibles? Another thing Rivers was doing in the game (which the "elite QBs" are also known to do), is make alot of adjustments at the LOS. They break out of the huddle early, line up, assess the defense, and make adjustments/audibles at the LOS. In the first half, I thought Rivers was doing a good job of recognizing the blitz, where it was coming from, and how to exploit.

Anyone know if Cush, or someone else on D, has the ability to also make adjustments? If so, I don't really see it.

Showing pressure, without disguise pre-snap, can be very effective against lesser teams if you are talented... However, good qbs won't be intimidated by it... Instead, they are grateful for the information. Unless wade finally begins mixing in more zone and bluffing on pressure, we don't beat the elite offenses unless our guys have a great game and make a ton of special plays...

Hopefully, that ugly half against San Diego is the start of some badly need nuance on defense.

NastyNate
09-13-2013, 12:29 AM
I personally don't get on Wade about being stubborn, is because I just don't see it. I don't think we played zone any more in the second half than we did in the first.

If the guys on the TV say we're playing man coverage doesn't necessarily make it so. It wasn't true in the Patriots game, it wasn't true in Monday night's game.

IMO, the biggest difference was who was playing what. Instead of playing Manning on the line & attacking the QB (like he did with 7:13 left in the first half) he put him on Antonio Gates in the second half.

Instead of Brian Cushing as the primary blitzer, like he was saying in the first half, he dropped Brian into coverage in the second half instead of Mays.

That one pass thrown past Brooks Reed for the TD..... I didn't see any other, could have been beat if Brooks had not let Matthews get into his route free. He should have put his hands on him, slowed him down.... that play wouldn't have happened, had nothing to do with the defensive play call.

As far as McCain getting beat in man coverage.... I said in another thread, that I've never seen Eddie Royal run so many routes so well. That is not his game. He was a second round bust, because he couldn't run anything but a go route. I would have expected him to hit us with a go route at some time during the game & I can't think of anyone other than Brice McCain who'd be fast enough to play him man-to-man. If I'd have known he was going to be running routes like that I'd have put the more physical Kareem on Royal, or Brandon Harris.

I stopped reading after your first statement because even Wade Phillips came out and said as much as we played a lot more zone in the second half. You obviously don't have a clear understanding of defense in professional football. :mariopalm:

HouTx11
09-13-2013, 04:09 AM
How I wish we could've played the Patriots early in the season. I think our D could've handled the team that played last night!

thunderkyss
09-13-2013, 09:03 AM
I stopped reading after your first statement because even Wade Phillips came out and said as much as we played a lot more zone in the second half. You obviously don't have a clear understanding of defense in professional football. :mariopalm:

"more zone" could mean a lot of things. Could mean more on a per snap basis.. could mean more as in a scheme basis.

Generally speaking we play man on the outside, zone underneath. Wade could have been saying we played more deep zones.

thunderkyss
09-13-2013, 09:33 AM
Here's a Link (http://ec.libsyn.com/p/3/9/f/39f7729cf4777b5d/9_11_13KubiakShow.mp3?d13a76d516d9dec20c3d276ce028 ed5089ab1ce3dae902ea1d01cf8e37d9cc541525&c_id=6123305)to the GaryKubiakShow, they also brought in Ted Johnson to give his take on the game. His take on the transformation of the defense is more in line with mine, than it is with the "we played a lot more zone" take. If nothing else, just to prove I'm not crazy & there are others that saw the same thing I did.

Our CBs play man almost exclusively. Everybody else is generally in some kind of zone. They'll play man to man in some situations, but they're generally playing zone. LBs & Safeties.

This playing "too much zone" thing started last year with color commentators thinking they know better than Wade Phillips. It helped "explain" some things the casual fan wants to believe. But if you watch the game, there's no way you can believe our defense is as simple as Trent Dilfer would have you believe.

As far as what Wade Phillips is telling the media, he's just going to give them a simple answer & hope they're satisfied with that. He's not going to give them everything OC are trying to figure out. I.E. it's coachspeak.

gary
09-13-2013, 10:34 AM
Admit you don't see defense like the Ravens in 2000. Or the Broncos in the 90d's when Elway won Super Bowls it is not like that anymore. I understand Smith and Reed did not play but the tide is definitely towards offensive play now.

The Pencil Neck
09-13-2013, 11:08 AM
Admit you don't see defense like the Ravens in 2000. Or the Broncos in the 90d's when Elway won Super Bowls it is not like that anymore. I understand Smith and Reed did not play but the tide is definitely towards offensive play now.

But that's not exactly a recent development. There was nothing in this offseason to push things more to the offense like there had been in previous seasons.

So our D can at least be as good as the best defense last year.

gary
09-13-2013, 11:25 AM
But that's not exactly a recent development. There was nothing in this offseason to push things more to the offense like there had been in previous seasons.

So our D can at least be as good as the best defense last year.No, just a point I am making.

idymoe
09-13-2013, 11:28 AM
I thought this was interesting. Maybe should go in the Cush thread.


http://t.co/2fxLYdFpcz


"After reviewing the tape, Houston Texans coaches found six more tackles for Cushing. His stat line now includes 11 total tackles, his crucial interception and a pass breakup. Mercilus finished with seven tackles, Manning and defensive end Jared Crick each had six and inside linebacker Joe Mays had five."


General impression seemed to be that Cushing didn't do too much besides the interception.

Crick in on six tackles. Very respectable.

deucetx
09-13-2013, 11:35 AM
Here's a Link (http://ec.libsyn.com/p/3/9/f/39f7729cf4777b5d/9_11_13KubiakShow.mp3?d13a76d516d9dec20c3d276ce028 ed5089ab1ce3dae902ea1d01cf8e37d9cc541525&c_id=6123305)to the GaryKubiakShow, they also brought in Ted Johnson to give his take on the game. His take on the transformation of the defense is more in line with mine, than it is with the "we played a lot more zone" take. If nothing else, just to prove I'm not crazy & there are others that saw the same thing I did.

Our CBs play man almost exclusively. Everybody else is generally in some kind of zone. They'll play man to man in some situations, but they're generally playing zone. LBs & Safeties.

This playing "too much zone" thing started last year with color commentators thinking they know better than Wade Phillips. It helped "explain" some things the casual fan wants to believe. But if you watch the game, there's no way you can believe our defense is as simple as Trent Dilfer would have you believe.

As far as what Wade Phillips is telling the media, he's just going to give them a simple answer & hope they're satisfied with that. He's not going to give them everything OC are trying to figure out. I.E. it's coachspeak.

Actually, that proves Nate's point. He wasn't saying we played some sort of exclusive zone coverage. He was stating that we implemented more zone in the second half in comparison to the first which they stated as well on the link you provided. In the first, the heavy blitz packages left us in man to man across the board. Maybe you thought Nate meant exclusive zone but I am guessing that wasn't his meaning. Less heavy blitz packages and more zone implemented in the coverage in various spots which was not what we were mainly doing in the first half.