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TexansFight
09-10-2013, 12:04 PM
Brooks is starting to frustrate the hell out of me. He is not getting close to the QB to get sacks and I don't see him make plays in the running game.

I just don't get it. He was a badass during his rookie season 2 years ago. Towards the end of that season, he was exciting and looked like the second coming of the Claymaker. Watch the playoff game against Baltimore in 2012. The 2 players on our D that stood out were JJ Watt and Brooks. JJ stepped up his game and had an exceptional 2012 season. Where is the Brooks Reed from the 2012 Baltimore game? I miss him.

TexanFan881
09-10-2013, 12:18 PM
I don't understand why anyone ever thought he was a good pass rusher. He doesn't play big enough and can't shed blocks. The majority of his sacks his rookie year he fell into. He can play decent against the run (at best) but is awful in pass rush. And, as we saw last night, awful in coverage. Mercilus is 1000 times better as he can actually make moves and shed blocks to get to the QB.

Rey
09-10-2013, 12:20 PM
??

I've been hard on the olb's as anyone, but they looked good last night. Reed looks faster and more athletic than he looked last year. I was worried after game one last year about the pass rush from the outside.

I'm not worried after this game. The sacks will come.

I thought reed looked good in the run game btw. He was in coverage a bit too and had that nice coverage on the RB late in the game.

What exactly was it you saw that has you frustrated with reed?

76Texan
09-10-2013, 01:49 PM
I'm not worried about our OLBs either... YET.

Playoffs
09-10-2013, 01:54 PM
I thought Reed was poor rushing the passer and in coverage. Offside penalty, too.

ubecool454
09-10-2013, 02:14 PM
Reed is just rusty but he better get the rust out quick before Willie Jefferson takes some time from him. Reed is nothing to worry about....Sharpton is the only linebacker that I would be concerned with. Guy can't stay healthy to save his life.

Mr teX
09-10-2013, 02:20 PM
he didnt make many if any plays but he wasnt horrible...just solid imo. We only had 2 sacks all night, Mercilus and Manning. SD wasn't letting us get there b/c they mostly utilized the short passing game. JJ spoke a little about it at the end of the game, but the front 7 as a whole just wasn't on the same page for much of the 1st half...preseason rust i think.

76Texan
09-10-2013, 03:00 PM
he didnt make many if any plays but he wasnt horrible...just solid imo. We only had 2 sacks all night, Mercilus and Manning. SD wasn't letting us get there b/c they mostly utilized the short passing game. JJ spoke a little about it at the end of the game, but the front 7 as a whole just wasn't on the same page for much of the 1st half...preseason rust i think.

The sack by Manning, I believe, was due to Reed pushing the pocket, forcing Rivers to step up.

I also saw Reed beat Fluker off the edge, but he slipped at the last moment.

TexansFight
09-10-2013, 04:28 PM
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I've been hard on the olb's as anyone, but they looked good last night. Reed looks faster and more athletic than he looked last year. I was worried after game one last year about the pass rush from the outside.

I'm not worried after this game. The sacks will come.

I thought reed looked good in the run game btw. He was in coverage a bit too and had that nice coverage on the RB late in the game.

What exactly was it you saw that has you frustrated with reed?

What frustrates me is that he doesn't seem to shed blockers too well. He seems to be just engaged with the opposing lineman and not freeing himself to get to the QB. That's what is bugging me.

Brooks was the guy I was most excited about from the 2011 draft. I have been high on the guy for a while so maybe I have unrealistic expectations of what he is and can be.

b0ng
09-10-2013, 04:44 PM
The sack by Manning, I believe, was due to Reed pushing the pocket, forcing Rivers to step up.

I also saw Reed beat Fluker off the edge, but he slipped at the last moment.

Fluker was really slow in pass protection during the preseason. The Chargers grabbed him because he's a monster run blocker (But drafting a RT at like 10 or 12 or whatever seems really stupid).

I'll say this about the game last night: For whatever reason after the Chargers went up 28-7 they pretty much stopped utilizing their deep passing game, which was pretty brutal for the first 2 and a half quarters of the game. They switched to short dinky stuff that had the ball out of Rivers's hands in about 2 seconds or less, which makes it almost impossible to get a sack or even a good pass disruption. The thing is, Joseph and Kareem can cover guys for just 1 or 2 seconds, those two get in trouble when we go all out blitzing and are left on an island for 3 or 4 or even 5 seconds. The first half it looked like the Texans pass rush was getting stoned and Rivers could pick where he wanted to go, but the second half there was no real long ball threats and they went with all short crap. They also pretty much abandoned Ryan Matthews who was actually looking not bad in the first half and decided the second half offense was going to run through Eddie Royal (Another bad decision).

The only thing that worries me is that we're not going to go up against panty waste coaches who are going to dial up such silly adjustments because they are up so big every week. I know there was some chatter that Wade switched to more zone concepts with his schemes in the second half, and they did seem to be more effective than blitz/man over and over again, but the Chargers are not sporting a great OL. King Dunlap is probably the worst LT the Texans will get to face all year, and DJ Fluker was a rookie playing in his first game. Jeromey Clary is awful as a G, and Hardwick and Rhineheart are journeymen at best. I think with a line that bad you should be able to blitz your 2012 DPOY and your 2009 DROY (x2) and have some good outcomes with that.

I would say that Cush was our best LB last night (by like a hair, cause Mays was actually stopping some running plays in the first half) then Mercilus then Reed but neither of the OLB's wow'ed me with anything they did. I think Locker is a terrible QB though and he is prone to making even more boneheaded plays than Phillip Rivers, so our LB's should have some more opportunities to make plays. Hopefully Ninja coming back will give us some more energy on the line.

76Texan
09-10-2013, 06:06 PM
We do need more interior pressure, especially with Watt lining up outside some.
There was very little of it last night.

SWATteam
09-10-2013, 06:29 PM
Fluker was really slow in pass protection during the preseason. The Chargers grabbed him because he's a monster run blocker (But drafting a RT at like 10 or 12 or whatever seems really stupid).

I'll say this about the game last night: For whatever reason after the Chargers went up 28-7 they pretty much stopped utilizing their deep passing game, which was pretty brutal for the first 2 and a half quarters of the game. They switched to short dinky stuff that had the ball out of Rivers's hands in about 2 seconds or less, which makes it almost impossible to get a sack or even a good pass disruption. The thing is, Joseph and Kareem can cover guys for just 1 or 2 seconds, those two get in trouble when we go all out blitzing and are left on an island for 3 or 4 or even 5 seconds. The first half it looked like the Texans pass rush was getting stoned and Rivers could pick where he wanted to go, but the second half there was no real long ball threats and they went with all short crap. They also pretty much abandoned Ryan Matthews who was actually looking not bad in the first half and decided the second half offense was going to run through Eddie Royal (Another bad decision).

The only thing that worries me is that we're not going to go up against panty waste coaches who are going to dial up such silly adjustments because they are up so big every week. I know there was some chatter that Wade switched to more zone concepts with his schemes in the second half, and they did seem to be more effective than blitz/man over and over again, but the Chargers are not sporting a great OL. King Dunlap is probably the worst LT the Texans will get to face all year, and DJ Fluker was a rookie playing in his first game. Jeromey Clary is awful as a G, and Hardwick and Rhineheart are journeymen at best. I think with a line that bad you should be able to blitz your 2012 DPOY and your 2009 DROY (x2) and have some good outcomes with that.

I would say that Cush was our best LB last night (by like a hair, cause Mays was actually stopping some running plays in the first half) then Mercilus then Reed but neither of the OLB's wow'ed me with anything they did. I think Locker is a terrible QB though and he is prone to making even more boneheaded plays than Phillip Rivers, so our LB's should have some more opportunities to make plays. Hopefully Ninja coming back will give us some more energy on the line.
You make some good points but how in the world is a former pro bowl center who has spent 9 years with his only team a journeyman at best? Granted he's a "probowler" in the same sense that Wade Smith is but still.

Strange first post I know..Im coming from different Texans boards which I couldnt stand anymore. The negativity here is nothing in comparison, I like it already.

Wolf6151
09-10-2013, 06:52 PM
I think Brooks Reed proved last night why we were heavily considering moving him to ILB in the off season. It wasn't only because of our need at ILB, it's because he's just not quite fast enough or athletic enough to consistently put pressure on the QB. Reeds body type just screams ILB, not OLB. He can't dip a shoulder to get around a blocker and can't get off of blocks once engaged. I know it's not a perfect solution but I'd really like to see the Texans move him to ILB, next to Cushing, and start Jefferson at OLB. Jefferson has more length, and athleticism to put pressure on the QB. I also think Reed would be great at the inside blitz.

Rey
09-10-2013, 07:21 PM
I can believe I'm defending Reed as a pass rusher, but I think reed looks much better on the outside than he did last year.

Looking at film from last year, 76 hypothesized that wade wanted them to set the edge and contain rather than all out rush. That's how bad he looked last year.

I think for a strong side olb, reed looks awesome. If merci can build on what he did last night, I will be thrilled with the outside rush.

Lets not forget, the wolb is the pass rush guy. I mean, that's the guy you want to be your best outside rusher. Merci should be around 8-10 for a good year and 5-8 for Reed is a good year. I'm talking about true beat your man sacks. Merci was beating people last night.

Reed looked faster, and quicker to me as well. Hes not going to disengage many people. He has never done that in the NFL. Even as a rookie, when OL got their hands in him he was done.

But what he can do is push the pocket and be relentless.

I'm feeling the OLB's this year. They look 1,000x better to me. But that's jmo.

DocBar
09-10-2013, 07:52 PM
I'll say this about the game last night: For whatever reason after the Chargers went up 28-7 they pretty much stopped utilizing their deep passing game, which was pretty brutal for the first 2 and a half quarters of the game. They switched to short dinky stuff that had the ball out of Rivers's hands in about 2 seconds or less, which makes it almost impossible to get a sack or even a good pass disruption. The thing is, Joseph and Kareem can cover guys for just 1 or 2 seconds, those two get in trouble when we go all out blitzing and are left on an island for 3 or 4 or even 5 seconds. The first half it looked like the Texans pass rush was getting stoned and Rivers could pick where he wanted to go, but the second half there was no real long ball threats and they went with all short crap. They also pretty much abandoned Ryan Matthews who was actually looking not bad in the first half and decided the second half offense was going to run through Eddie Royal (Another bad decision).
One main factor in the change in SD's passing game is that the Texans started mixing in heavy doses of zone coverage and did a decent job of disguising it.

Just about any starting CB tandem can cover 1-3 seconds but not much longer and any starting tandem will get burned on an all out blitz that doesn't get to the QB.

Brooks looked OK to me. He got burned on the TD, but that was a very good call and the vast majority of LB's will get burned by a RB in that route.

I was all for moving Reed inside next to Cush until I saw Mays playing like his hair was on fire.

As the season goes on, I would like to see Merci moved to Reed's side and Jefferson come in at Merci's in passing situations.

leebigeztx
09-10-2013, 08:16 PM
I think Brooks Reed proved last night why we were heavily considering moving him to ILB in the off season. It wasn't only because of our need at ILB, it's because he's just not quite fast enough or athletic enough to consistently put pressure on the QB. Reeds body type just screams ILB, not OLB. He can't dip a shoulder to get around a blocker and can't get off of blocks once engaged. I know it's not a perfect solution but I'd really like to see the Texans move him to ILB, next to Cushing, and start Jefferson at OLB. Jefferson has more length, and athleticism to put pressure on the QB. I also think Reed would be great at the inside blitz.

He's an attrition rusher. He's a guy who keeps coming and if the coverage holds up,he'll get sacks. He's not a guy who can just whip a tackle and get a sack. That's why I think he will be better ilb because then he gets the run start and half a man who isn't as athletic as the rt or lt. I've been saying that for awhile,but they seem content with him until either jefferson,montgomery,or williams shows up.

qqert
09-10-2013, 08:42 PM
its just the personnel match-ups.
he'll play better this week against the tn thespians.

badboy
09-12-2013, 04:14 PM
I may be way off base here but I think Montgomery and Trevardo were drafted to allow Brooks to move to ILB but that plan backfired. At least for now.

CloakNNNdagger
09-12-2013, 04:44 PM
FWIW, he is now dealing with a back issue.

The Pencil Neck
09-12-2013, 06:57 PM
You make some good points but how in the world is a former pro bowl center who has spent 9 years with his only team a journeyman at best? Granted he's a "probowler" in the same sense that Wade Smith is but still.

Strange first post I know..Im coming from different Texans boards which I couldnt stand anymore. The negativity here is nothing in comparison, I like it already.

Welcome to the board.

NCTexan
09-12-2013, 07:15 PM
You make some good points but how in the world is a former pro bowl center who has spent 9 years with his only team a journeyman at best? Granted he's a "probowler" in the same sense that Wade Smith is but still.

Strange first post I know..Im coming from different Texans boards which I couldnt stand anymore. The negativity here is nothing in comparison, I like it already.

A first post that doesn't scream troll? Congrats! You're doing better than most of the new people lately. Welcome aboard!


I would tend to agree with you and give him a little more credit at center, but I thin b0ng's overall point still stands. This is one of the worst olines that we will face this year, and there has got to be more pressure against those better lines.

ObsiWan
09-12-2013, 08:09 PM
I think Brooks Reed proved last night why we were heavily considering moving him to ILB in the off season. It wasn't only because of our need at ILB, it's because he's just not quite fast enough or athletic enough to consistently put pressure on the QB. Reeds body type just screams ILB, not OLB. He can't dip a shoulder to get around a blocker and can't get off of blocks once engaged. I know it's not a perfect solution but I'd really like to see the Texans move him to ILB, next to Cushing, and start Jefferson at OLB. Jefferson has more length, and athleticism to put pressure on the QB. I also think Reed would be great at the inside blitz.

If he can't get off blocks won't moving him inside just mean he'll get engulfed by the big ole road-grader guards in the running game?

Wolf6151
09-13-2013, 03:37 AM
If he can't get off blocks won't moving him inside just mean he'll get engulfed by the big ole road-grader guards in the running game?


Occaisionally he might get eaten up by OG's but like Cushing I see him more as someone who can come on a delayed blitz once the OG is tied up with the D-line. I think his speed is good enough to drop back in zone coverage, help with coverage on TE's and RB's as well and he's got the size to play the run game.

drs23
09-13-2013, 10:36 AM
I may be way off base here but I think Montgomery and Trevardo were drafted to allow Brooks to move to ILB but that plan backfired. At least for now.

Occaisionally he might get eaten up by OG's but like Cushing I see him more as someone who can come on a delayed blitz once the OG is tied up with the D-line. I think his speed is good enough to drop back in zone coverage, help with coverage on TE's and RB's as well and he's got the size to play the run game.

idonno:, but I think Badboy nailed right here. There's of coarse no way to prove it but that's a suspicion that I've held for a while as well.

Wolf6151
09-14-2013, 09:32 PM
idonno:, but I think Badboy nailed right here. There's of coarse no way to prove it but that's a suspicion that I've held for a while as well.

I agree with you and BB about Montgomery and T. Williams being drafted so that B. Reed could be moved inside and it obviously not working. I'll say it again I'd like to see Reed moved inside and start Jeffson at OLB. It's not a perfect answer to the problem but neither is what we're doing right now. Also if Jefferson is going to develop he's got to get some experience. Very disappointed in Montgomery and T. Williams, and our scouting dept..

Lucky
09-15-2013, 09:39 AM
Very disappointed in Montgomery and T. Williams, and our scouting dept..

How many pass rushers taken in the 3rd and 4th rounds make immediate impacts? The high picks were spent on Mercilus and Reed and they're the ones who must get it done. I think CND nailed it with Reed's back problems. I don't see how that will improve over the course of the season.

busterspencer
09-15-2013, 07:44 PM
Brooks is starting to frustrate the hell out of me. He is not getting close to the QB to get sacks and I don't see him make plays in the running game.

I just don't get it. He was a badass during his rookie season 2 years ago. Towards the end of that season, he was exciting and looked like the second coming of the Claymaker. Watch the playoff game against Baltimore in 2012. The 2 players on our D that stood out were JJ Watt and Brooks. JJ stepped up his game and had an exceptional 2012 season. Where is the Brooks Reed from the 2012 Baltimore game? I miss him.

His girlfriend cut off a lock of his hair while he was asleep...You know the rest..

PapaL
09-15-2013, 11:00 PM
Did he even play today? I can't honestly remember him in a single tackle.

stingray
09-15-2013, 11:04 PM
Did he even play today? I can't honestly remember him in a single tackle.

He sucked today and mercilus wasnt much better. Watt gets doubled and tripled team, you would think our olb's would take advantage. Instead, they are slow dancing with the tackles and are just non factors.

jppaul
09-15-2013, 11:06 PM
He sucked today and mercilus wasnt much better. Watt gets doubled and tripled team, you would think our olb's would take advantage. Instead, they are slow dancing with the tackles and are just non factors.

Mercilus was solid from my review Reed on the other hand is borderline invisible

beerlover
09-15-2013, 11:06 PM
I agree with you and BB about Montgomery and T. Williams being drafted so that B. Reed could be moved inside and it obviously not working. I'll say it again I'd like to see Reed moved inside and start Jeffson at OLB. It's not a perfect answer to the problem but neither is what we're doing right now. Also if Jefferson is going to develop he's got to get some experience. Very disappointed in Montgomery and T. Williams, and our scouting dept..

Sure it hasn't started off well but these things do take time, often longer than one would want. They knew pass rush improvement needed so drafted two then added a sleeper with Jefferson. Heck Merciuls only had reserve & limited duty as a first round pick, as rookie now he is getting reps & looking better, more consistent, a professional.

TexansFight
09-15-2013, 11:06 PM
Did he even play today? I can't honestly remember him in a single tackle.

None that I can remember and I was focusing on him a ton while at the game. Willie Jefferson needs to get on the field. He has natural ability that Brooks doesn't. His long arms make him a poor man's Aldon Smith. Move Brooks inside or bench his ass

DocBar
09-15-2013, 11:10 PM
Reed played OK today for a SLB. Unfortunately, Merci did a better impression of a SLB than a WLB today.