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76Texan
09-05-2013, 02:08 PM
Last year, the Texans were awarded a third and a sixth.

They lost:
Mario to the Bills with a big contract.
Jason Allen to the Bungals on a 2-yr/$8.2M deal.
Brisiel to the Raiders on a 5-yr/$20M deal.
And Dreessen to the Broncos on a 3-yr/&8.5M deal.

They signed two veterans Donnie Jones and Brady James to one-yr veteran minimum (thereabout).

What can we expect for the upcoming year?

TheIronDuke
09-05-2013, 02:45 PM
Barwin and Casey were the only real losses (Barwin not a true loss at all) and neither signed for that much plus we signed Lechler so my guess is a 6th if we get anything because Quin and Reed will balance each other out. Good to know that we finally get a good compensatory pick and piss it away on freaking Sam Montgomery.

76Texan
09-05-2013, 04:18 PM
Barwin and Casey were the only real losses (Barwin not a true loss at all) and neither signed for that much plus we signed Lechler so my guess is a 6th if we get anything because Quin and Reed will balance each other out. Good to know that we finally get a good compensatory pick and piss it away on freaking Sam Montgomery.

What about Forsett, Jones, and Ball ?

drs23
09-05-2013, 04:32 PM
What about Forsett, Jones, and Ball ?

They were all free agents weren't they? If so, no compo.

76Texan
09-05-2013, 04:42 PM
They were all free agents weren't they? If so, no compo.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000151670/article/nfl-awards-32-compensatory-draft-picks-to-16-teams

infantrycak
09-05-2013, 04:42 PM
They were all free agents weren't they? If so, no compo.

That is the point of compensatory picks - to compensate teams who lose more/higher quality free agents than they sign.

In addition to the 32 selections in each of the seven rounds, a total of 32 compensatory picks are awarded to teams that have lost more or better compensatory free agents than they signed in the previous year. Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks.

Exascor
09-05-2013, 04:43 PM
They were all free agents weren't they? If so, no compo.

You get comp for free agents - not guys you release. Still doubt we get much of anything for those dudes.

Exascor
09-05-2013, 04:44 PM
I am late to the dance once again. =)

TheIronDuke
09-05-2013, 04:45 PM
They were all free agents weren't they? If so, no compo.

Yep, they were all free agents. The only players to be considered for compensatory selection purposes are Quin, Casey, and Barwin. We signed Lechler and Reed in free agency so I don't think we'll be getting much if anything compensatory-wise.

76Texan
09-05-2013, 05:05 PM
Yep, they were all free agents. The only players to be considered for compensatory selection purposes are Quin, Casey, and Barwin. We signed Lechler and Reed in free agency so I don't think we'll be getting much if anything compensatory-wise.

Quin cancels out Reed.
Casey cancels out Lechler.

I think we'll get a 4th or 5th for Barwin.
We should get 2 lower picks for the other three guys.

TheIronDuke
09-05-2013, 05:43 PM
Quin cancels out Reed.
Casey cancels out Lechler.

I think we'll get a 4th or 5th for Barwin.
We should get 2 lower picks for the other three guys.

We won't get anything for losing scrub veterans. If teams got compensation picks for every free agent they lost then there'd be hundreds handed out. NFL doesn't release their formula for determining comp picks so it's anyone's guess, but considering what we lost vs what we got in free agency I wouldn't think we'll get much if anything.

76Texan
09-05-2013, 06:08 PM
We won't get anything for losing scrub veterans. If teams got compensation picks for every free agent they lost then there'd be hundreds handed out. NFL doesn't release their formula for determining comp picks so it's anyone's guess, but considering what we lost vs what we got in free agency I wouldn't think we'll get much if anything.

I don't think it matters. We lost one because we signed Jones last year at the minimum level; this year, he signs with tbe Eagles at the minimum level as well (plus "inflation" per cap rule.

We lost another by signing James to a minimum veteran contract; on the other hand, both Forsett and Ball signed two-year deals at a level higher than James (in term of dollar amount vs years of service).

There might be other teams that lost "more highly qualified" players, so I only count 2 of the 3 to be on the safe side.

Jones will be both the punter and the holder for the Eagles.
He's a starter, so that should help.

Ball was named a starter to start the season for the Jaguars; that should help also.
Forsett is their number two RB behind MJD; you'll never know how long MJD can hold up.

The signs are better than you might think.

drs23
09-05-2013, 10:40 PM
OK guys. Thanks. :)

ChampionTexan
09-05-2013, 11:05 PM
I don't think it matters. We lost one because we signed Jones last year at the minimum level; this year, he signs with tbe Eagles at the minimum level as well (plus "inflation" per cap rule.

We lost another by signing James to a minimum veteran contract; on the other hand, both Forsett and Ball signed two-year deals at a level higher than James (in term of dollar amount vs years of service).

There might be other teams that lost "more highly qualified" players, so I only count 2 of the 3 to be on the safe side.

Jones will be both the punter and the holder for the Eagles.
He's a starter, so that should help.

Ball was named a starter to start the season for the Jaguars; that should help also.
Forsett is their number two RB behind MJD; you'll never know how long MJD can hold up.

The signs are better than you might think.

If you're right, then the Greg Jones signing factors in there somewhere too.

76Texan
09-05-2013, 11:36 PM
If you're right, then the Greg Jones signing factors in there somewhere too.

You're right; how did I miss that big guy ?

So we still have one decent size contract and two smaller ones.

Two comp picks at least.
I think it's about time we package 'em picks to move up in the draft.

dalemurphy
09-06-2013, 02:38 AM
What about Forsett, Jones, and Ball ?

All three of those contracts qualify for the compensatory pick equation. We should receive at least two picks between rounds 4 and 6, and perhaps three picks within those rounds.

We can not trade those picks, however... Even after they have been awarded. They must be used by us on draft day to select a player... I'm not sure if we could select a player and then trade his rights on draft day to another team to get around that rule or not.

TheIronDuke
09-06-2013, 09:03 AM
I can't believe anyone thinks we're going to be getting multiple compensatory picks, especially after last year where we lost a lot and signed little and only got 2 compensatory picks. We won't find out what we get until draft time but I guarantee we won't get all these picks you guys are thinking. Compensatory picks are more geared towards teams who lose players who leave for big contracts, not for scrub JAG's. We got the freaking Mr. Irrelevant pick for losing Dunta Robinson who got a huge contract for God's sakes and we're talking about getting compensatory picks for a NFL-minimum getting PUNTER? Good luck with that.

And, as was pointed out, compensatory picks can't be traded.

76Texan
09-06-2013, 10:07 AM
All three of those contracts qualify for the compensatory pick equation. We should receive at least two picks between rounds 4 and 6, and perhaps three picks within those rounds.

We can not trade those picks, however... Even after they have been awarded. They must be used by us on draft day to select a player... I'm not sure if we could select a player and then trade his rights on draft day to another team to get around that rule or not.

We can always package our own picks.

76Texan
09-06-2013, 10:18 AM
I can't believe anyone thinks we're going to be getting multiple compensatory picks, especially after last year where we lost a lot and signed little and only got 2 compensatory picks. We won't find out what we get until draft time but I guarantee we won't get all these picks you guys are thinking. Compensatory picks are more geared towards teams who lose players who leave for big contracts, not for scrub JAG's. We got the freaking Mr. Irrelevant pick for losing Dunta Robinson who got a huge contract for God's sakes and we're talking about getting compensatory picks for a NFL-minimum getting PUNTER? Good luck with that.

And, as was pointed out, compensatory picks can't be traded.

Barwin's contract is of a bigger value than several guys like Matt Flynn, Josh Morgan, and Curtis Lofton. Their previous teams received a 4th as compensation; I don't see why the Texans can't.

Dutchrudder
10-23-2013, 03:03 PM
We just need to start tallying a list of additions and free agent subtractions (guys who weren't cut) to see what we're working with. Then go after financials to estimate their value.

Free Agent Losses (6 qualifying):
Connor Barwin (6 years, 6 APY) 4th
Glover Quin (5 years, 4.7 APY ) 5th
James Casey (3 years, 4 APY) 5th
Justin Forsett (2 years, 1 APY) 7th
Alan Ball (2 years, 1 APY) 7th
Donnie Jones (1 year, 905k) 7th
Shayne Graham (1 year, minimum) nada
Rashad Butler (1 year, 715k) zilch

Free Agent Adds (3 qualifying):
March 28, 2013 Signed RB Greg Jones. (1 year, 1m APY) 7th
March 23, 2013 Signed P Shane Lechler. (3 years, 1.833 APY) 7th
March 23, 2013 Signed S Ed Reed. (3 years, 5 APY) 4th
May 15, 2013 Signed C Tyler Horn. (minimum) nada

If they grade Barwin on the APY, then he's definitely a 4th, if they grade him on guaranteed money, then he's a 5th/6th. His contract is wacky because it's so long, and it's heavily backloaded. I'll project a 4th here just for the heck of it, cause I'm pretty sure Ed Reed's deal will cancel it out either way.

Glover Quin and Ed Reed are right at the 4th/5th cutoff line. Last year it was right around 4.75million APY, but the lines generally move slightly higher each year. So they could both be rated a 5th, I don't know, it just depends. I would lean towards a 4th for Reed and a 5th for Quin.

Casey is in the low end of the 5th round range.

Forsett, Jones and Ball are all solidly in the 7th range.

The other guys listed are just to show that I am aware of them, and they do not affect the picks as far as I know. If anyone has more info on them, go ahead and post it.

So that's 6 adds, and 3 losses that qualify. I think Barwin and Reed cancel each other out. I think Jones and Lechler cancel out Ball and Forsett. And I think we end up with two 5ths for Quin and Casey, and a 7th for Jones. So 3 compensatory picks should be coming our way to help the new regime right the ship. Not too shabby.

All done.

76Texan
10-23-2013, 03:19 PM
Work it, Dutch, work it; you're one of the few experts we have on this matter.

I defer to you guys.

Wolf6151
10-23-2013, 05:12 PM
@DR, where does Joe Mays fit into all this?

Dutchrudder
10-23-2013, 05:15 PM
@DR, where does Joe Mays fit into all this?

He was signed Jul 29, 2013, which is well after the June 1st cutoff date for compensatory picks. Anything that happens after June 1st does not effect compensatory picks, no matter how big the contract.

Seegara
10-24-2013, 11:55 AM
Are we going to lose a pick for getting rid of Quin, as compensation to the other teams?

Playoffs
10-24-2013, 12:06 PM
...I think we end up with two 5ths for Quin and Casey, and a 7th for Jones. So 3 compensatory picks should be coming our way to help the new regime right the ship. Not too shabby. All done.

Thanks, repped.

TheIronDuke
10-24-2013, 12:36 PM
I'll take the under on 3 comp picks. The year before we only got 2 comp picks and we lost a lot more players and signed fewer. I also think Dutch projected 3-4 comp picks for the last draft where we got 2 as well, but I know it's all a guess as there's no formula that anyone actually knows.

Dutchrudder
10-24-2013, 02:03 PM
I'll take the under on 3 comp picks. The year before we only got 2 comp picks and we lost a lot more players and signed fewer. I also think Dutch projected 3-4 comp picks for the last draft where we got 2 as well, but I know it's all a guess as there's no formula that anyone actually knows.

Yeah, the difference was that last year we signed a couple guys to minimum deals, but gave them signing bonuses of 65k (Bradie James and Alan Ball). I rated them as not impacting the compensatory picks due to minimum salary, when in reality the NFL sees any signing bonus compensation as no longer being a minimum deal. The NFL counted them as 7ths, which is what took away 2 of the picks I projected. Now we know, and knowing is half the battle!

It's not an exact science, since we don't have the salary structure and rules from the NFL's secret formula, but we can get more accurate over time by using the previous year's numbers to project next year's. Snap counts can also figure into this, but it seems like things are OK so far. Alan Ball is starting at CB for Jax, Forsett is playing about 15% of the snaps for Jax, Donnie Jones is punting for Philly, Barwin and Quin are starters, James Casey is playing some offense and STs. So I'm pretty confident in these projections now, but it could change a little by the end of the year if someone loses their job.

You can check snap counts here: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcounts

TheIronDuke
10-24-2013, 02:44 PM
Yeah, the difference was that last year we signed a couple guys to minimum deals, but gave them signing bonuses of 65k (Bradie James and Alan Ball). I rated them as not impacting the compensatory picks due to minimum salary, when in reality the NFL sees any signing bonus compensation as no longer being a minimum deal. The NFL counted them as 7ths, which is what took away 2 of the picks I projected. Now we know, and knowing is half the battle!

It's not an exact science, since we don't have the salary structure and rules from the NFL's secret formula, but we can get more accurate over time by using the previous year's numbers to project next year's. Snap counts can also figure into this, but it seems like things are OK so far. Alan Ball is starting at CB for Jax, Forsett is playing about 15% of the snaps for Jax, Donnie Jones is punting for Philly, Barwin and Quin are starters, James Casey is playing some offense and STs. So I'm pretty confident in these projections now, but it could change a little by the end of the year if someone loses their job.

You can check snap counts here: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcounts

True, I hope you don't feel like I was putting you on blast I just don't see how we were all that impacted by having our free agents taken away. But I hope you're right and I am wrong and I of course value your opinion on this which is why I summoned you to this thread since you were on sabbatical when this was originally written.

Big Lou
10-24-2013, 03:37 PM
I long for last year when we weren't talking draft until like Feb-Mar,*sigh*......

ArlingtonTexan
10-24-2013, 11:04 PM
I long for last year when we weren't talking draft until like Feb-Mar,*sigh*......

Yep...no matter how overrated or how much a pretender we were last year way more fun than compensatory pick talk before Halloween.

texanhead08
10-25-2013, 01:23 AM
I hope we have a new regime making picks next spring.

Insideop
10-25-2013, 06:57 AM
I hope we have a new regime making picks next spring.

Be careful what you wish for. Sometimes the grass isn't so green on the other side! :shades:

gafftop
10-25-2013, 09:11 AM
Be careful what you wish for. Sometimes the grass isn't so green on the other side! :shades:

So you are saying our grass is green????

I think it is burnt and dead.

I will take a chance on the other side.

At least there is HOPE.

ArlingtonTexan
02-08-2014, 01:02 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/red_zone/2014-NFL-compensatory-pick-projections.html

1st attempt at this stuff that I have found..

badboy
02-08-2014, 01:50 PM
so two 5s and a 7th.

TheIronDuke
02-08-2014, 01:59 PM
How are we going to get a 5th as a comp pick for Quin and keep it even though we signed Reed? I guarantee we arent getting that much, then again I don't know for sure and it's a total guess.

ArlingtonTexan
02-08-2014, 02:55 PM
How are we going to get a 5th as a comp pick for Quin and keep it even though we signed Reed? I guarantee we arent getting that much, then again I don't know for sure and it's a total guess.

Reeds and caseys salarys are near equal. Plus reed being cut and being old factoer into the equation from what I understand

JRingo
02-08-2014, 08:41 PM
True, I hope you don't feel like I was putting you on blast I just don't see how we were all that impacted by having our free agents taken away. But I hope you're right and I am wrong and I of course value your opinion on this which is why I summoned you to this thread since you were on sabbatical when this was originally written.

Good post here Sir.

Norg
02-08-2014, 11:15 PM
a didn't they use on of those picks but then in turn fired him for smoking a cigar in a bathroom LOL BUST PICK on da Texans

Wolf6151
02-09-2014, 12:37 AM
Last year we were eligible for 4 compensatory picks but only got 2, so I'm doubtful that we get two 5th and one 7th round picks. If we did get 3 comp. picks then we could really use our own picks to trade up for an extra 3rd and/or 4th round picks. There will be some good value prospects in those rounds. With as many holes as this team has though, I'll be very happy if we get one 5th. And hopefully we don't waste these pick(s) like we did last year.

TheIronDuke
02-09-2014, 09:05 AM
Last year we were eligible for 4 compensatory picks but only got 2, so I'm doubtful that we get two 5th and one 7th round picks. If we did get 3 comp. picks then we could really use our own picks to trade up for an extra 3rd and/or 4th round picks. There will be some good value prospects in those rounds. With as many holes as this team has though, I'll be very happy if we get one 5th. And hopefully we don't waste these pick(s) like we did last year.

Thank you, I totally agree. I say we will get one sixth round comp pick and maaaybe a 7th too.

Lucky
02-09-2014, 10:23 AM
Last year we were eligible for 4 compensatory picks but only got 2, so I'm doubtful that we get two 5th and one 7th round picks.
The Texans lost 4 FAs in 2012 (Mario, Allen, Brisiel, and Dreessen) and signed two (Bradie James and Donnie Jones) for a net loss of 2 FAs. Some (including myself) didn't think the minimum contracts that James and Jones signed would count in the compensatory formula. We were wrong.

In 2013, the Texans FA loss-gain was a net +3. 6 lost (Barwin, Casey, Quin, Forsett, Ball, and Donnie Jones) with 3 gained (Reed, Lechler, and Greg Jones). Donnie Jones signed for less than $1 million, so it's possible that he wouldn't count. But, he signed for less than $1 million in 2012 and counted against the Texans, so I would include him in the equation based upon that.

The question is what round do these FAs fall into the formula?
Casey averaged $6 million on his deal, which I think would make his value in the 4th round. Casey and Quin both averaged over $4.5 million, which would likely land their value in the 5th. Forsett, Ball, and Donnie Jones would all value as 7th rounders. Ed Reed's contract of nearly $5 million would be valued in the 5th. Lechler and Greg Jones would hold 7th round value. Reed would cancel the pick for Casey (highest in same round) and Lechler and Gereg Jones would cancel the picks for Forsett and Ball. Leaving the Texans with a 4th (Barwin), 5th (Quin), and 7th (Donnie Jones).

TheIronDuke
02-09-2014, 11:13 AM
Another factor into determining if a comp pick is awarded, apparently, is also player performance. None of our losses really contributed to their team besides Quin. I also don't think Barwin was signed for the type of contract that would lead to a high comp pick nor did he really do that much on the field so I can't imagine getting a 4th for "losing" him.

Lucky
02-09-2014, 11:24 AM
Another factor into determining if a comp pick is awarded, apparently, is also player performance. None of our losses really contributed to their team besides Quin. I also don't think Barwin was signed for the type of contract that would lead to a high comp pick nor did he really do that much on the field so I can't imagine getting a 4th for "losing" him.
Mainly, the compensation is based upon contract. And Barwin did start, had 59 tackles, 5 sacks, and an int. Worth $6 million/year? Probably not. But that hardly qualifies as not doing much. Ed Reed didn't do much for the Texans, and I could see his value somewhat discounted. But the Texans will still have net +3 FAs.

If you can come up with an example of a player getting a $6 million/year contract, starting all year, and not getting a 4th round pick in compensation (providing the team had a net FA loss), I would like to see it. Otherwise, your doubts don't have much basis in actual facts.

TheIronDuke
02-09-2014, 11:48 AM
Mainly, the compensation is based upon contract. And Barwin did start, had 59 tackles, 5 sacks, and an int. Worth $6 million/year? Probably not. But that hardly qualifies as not doing much. Ed Reed didn't do much for the Texans, and I could see his value somewhat discounted. But the Texans will still have net +3 FAs.

If you can come up with an example of a player getting a $6 million/year contract, starting all year, and not getting a 4th round pick in compensation (providing the team had a net FA loss), I would like to see it. Otherwise, your doubts don't have much basis in actual facts.

Nope I don't really know or care enough to research that and I do hope we get all these comp picks that everyone is projecting. I guess I'm just pessimistic about comp picks after a couple of years where everyone was all amped about all the picks we'd get then it'd turn out we got way less than people were saying. This happened just last year. I'm not saying I'll eat my hat if I'm wrong but I will bet something that we aren't getting this huge pile of comp picks for losing scrubs while we also signed a good amount of free agents, 2 of which started all year (Lechler and Mays) I hope I'm wrong though and I guess we will see! I'll be back to eat crow or say I told ya so when we find out.

Actually 3 started all year, forgot about Jones.

Lucky
02-09-2014, 12:03 PM
Mays was cut by the Broncos and won't count as a free agent pickup. He is considered a street free agent much like Peyton Manning didn't factor into the compensatory equation last year.

I get through your several posts in the thread that you doubt the Texans will receive these picks. What I don't see is any real basis for your concerns. If you don't want to bother educating yourself on the topic, why bother to comment extensively?

ArlingtonTexan
02-09-2014, 12:05 PM
The NFL makes compensatory picks convoluted w/o any real reason for both teams and fans, but given this is season for hardcore or even 'nerd' fans, I don't get people who want to waste everyone's time posting what they "believe' versus at learning something about the process.

TheIronDuke
02-09-2014, 12:21 PM
Nobody even knows the formula the NFL uses so there's really no "education" available. My reasoning for saying we won't receive all these comp picks is based in historical comp picks we've been awarded. I remember Dunta Robinson was supposed to bring us some awesome comp pick and we got Mr. Irrelevent. I guess I'll just go with y'all and stop even thinking about it. Better let all the mockers know to expect at least an additional 4th, 5th, and 7th.

steelbtexan
02-09-2014, 12:29 PM
There's a guy named Adam JT that is great at predicting comp picks. I haven't seen his predictions this yr. If anybody knows where/when I can find his predictions let me know.

From the NFLPA info he uses to make his predictions I believe he is an agent or in the NFLPA office.

ArlingtonTexan
02-09-2014, 12:50 PM
There's a guy named Adam JT that is great at predicting comp picks. I haven't seen his predictions this yr. If anybody knows where/when I can find his predictions let me know.

From the NFLPA info he uses to make his predictions I believe he is an agent or in the NFLPA office.

The guy in the link I posted CLAIMS that his guesstimation is based on the work of AdamJT...and no Adam was just a geek who started to notice patterns and tried to apply what he noticed.

Still really no reason for the NFL not make it more direct than it does.

disaacks3
02-09-2014, 04:15 PM
The NFL makes compensatory picks convoluted w/o any real reason for both teams and fans, but given this is season for hardcore or even 'nerd' fans, I don't get people who want to waste everyone's time posting what they "believe' versus at learning something about the process.

The guy in the link I posted CLAIMS that his guesstimation is based on the work of AdamJT...and no Adam was just a geek who started to notice patterns and tried to apply what he noticed.

Still really no reason for the NFL not make it more direct than it does.

I can definitely see reasons why the NFL wouldn't want the teams fully understanding the methodology. Teams cutting players by certain dates, not starting them all 16 games / pulling them in games already decided, veterans negotiating weird back-loaded contracts, etc. It's harder to "massage the numbers" if you don't know what you're aiming for.

Hell, maybe I'm na´ve and the only ones who don't know are the fans.

steelbtexan
02-09-2014, 04:21 PM
I can definitely see reasons why the NFL wouldn't want the teams fully understanding the methodology. Teams cutting players by certain dates, not starting them all 16 games / pulling them in games already decided, veterans negotiating weird back-loaded contracts, etc. It's harder to "massage the numbers" if you don't know what you're aiming for.

Hell, maybe I'm na´ve and the only ones who don't know are the fans.

Not na´ve, just spot on.

Lucky
02-09-2014, 04:32 PM
Hell, maybe I'm na´ve and the only ones who don't know are the fans.
I remember AdamJT13 had a blog piece on how NFL GMs were frustrated by the formula. Ted Thompson, Packer GM, said he gave up trying to figure it out. The real issue is the players making low salaries near the minimum. Sometimes they count, sometimes not. And that has a ripple effect because the formula is based on net losses as the most important factor and not total value.

I think the formula is flawed in that respect. Go back to the Texans losing Dunta in 2010. Yes, the signed Wade Smith and Neil Rackers, which eliminated the Texans from receiving a compensatory pick. But had the formula been based off of total contract value, the Texans lost more in Robinson than gained in Smith and Rackers and likely deserved a pick.

mussop
02-16-2014, 11:30 PM
My head is spinning from reading this thread. I'm just going to believe we are getting a 4th, 5th and 7th. WOOHOO!!!!

Dutchrudder
02-17-2014, 10:02 AM
My head is spinning from reading this thread. I'm just going to believe we are getting a 4th, 5th and 7th. WOOHOO!!!!

We are likely to also get a supplemental compensatory pick. Every year, the league awards 32 compensatory picks, first by free agent losses to teams, awarded at the end of rounds. Many years, the number awarded is less than 32, so the league starts with that year's draft order and awards picks until it totals 32.

For example, the year we got the Mr. Irrelevant pick (Cheta Ozwagaloogey), the Texans were picking 11th overall. The league only gave out 21 compensatory picks that year, so at the end of the draft, they added 11 picks in the order of the 1st round.

Not that it's a huge deal, but a late 7th is a good spot to pick a project guy or special teams players. So I'm thinking we will get 4 picks, 3 compensatory picks and 1 supplemental.

Wolf6151
02-17-2014, 04:22 PM
Are the draft compensatory picks announced at the Combine that begins in a few days? If not when are they announced? I'm hoping for the best but will be surprised if we get anything more than a single 6th round pick. Alot of these picks seem to be completely random and depend on if Goodell likes you or not.

Playoffs
02-17-2014, 05:50 PM
Are the draft compensatory picks announced at the Combine that begins in a few days? If not when are they announced?
March 18th in 2013, likely end of March 2014.

Insideop
02-18-2014, 04:58 PM
I don't know how many compensatory picks the Texans will get, if any, but I hope they do a better job using those picks than they did last year. It's sickening to think that the highest compensatory pick they ever had (3rd rounder for Mario) was wasted on Sam Montgomery. I've said it before, the loss of FA's the last 2 years and the Texans inability to replace those losses is one of the biggest factors in their demise this past season. You have to have depth if you want to survive the injuries that come with a long NFL season.

Lucky
02-19-2014, 07:32 AM
I don't know how many compensatory picks the Texans will get, if any, but I hope they do a better job using those picks than they did last year. It's sickening to think that the highest compensatory pick they ever had (3rd rounder for Mario) was wasted on Sam Montgomery.
It was the 95th pick in the draft. History shows that you're more likely to get a Sam Montgomery there than a contributor. The Texans need to draft better overall. The last few drafts have been particulary weak. Take away JJ Watt in 2011, and it's easier to see why the Texans slipped in 2013 from looking at these drafts. Needless to say, this is a very important draft for this franchise.

ArlingtonTexan
02-19-2014, 09:37 AM
It was the 95th pick in the draft. History shows that you're more likely to get a Sam Montgomery there than a contributor. The Texans need to draft better overall. The last few drafts have been particulary weak. Take away JJ Watt in 2011, and it's easier to see why the Texans slipped in 2013 from looking at these drafts. Needless to say, this is a very important draft for this franchise.

Yep, pretty much every attempt in the two to three drafts to fill some need has pretty much flopped (or is no better than neutral). In most positions, the Texans did have a plan pretty much on every current weakness and in a couple cases have invested pretty well in picks (see OLb) or money (see safety).

steelbtexan
02-19-2014, 10:11 AM
Yep, pretty much every attempt in the two to three drafts to fill some need has pretty much flopped (or is no better than neutral). In most positions, the Texans did have a plan pretty much on every current weakness and in a couple cases have invested pretty well in picks (see OLb) or money (see safety).

A crappy plan if an injured Ed Reed and a lazy Montgomery are the plan.

I can garuntee you that if a franchise misses more than it hits on top 100 picks that franchise will have a losing record. Franchises that hit on those picks are usually playoff teams. I mean Seattles secondary was built on picks after 100. Sherman/Browner/Chancellor/Maxwell.

ArlingtonTexan
02-19-2014, 11:23 AM
A crappy plan if an injured Ed Reed and a lazy Montgomery are the plan.

I can garuntee you that if a franchise misses more than it hits on top 100 picks that franchise will have a losing record. Franchises that hit on those picks are usually playoff teams. I mean Seattles secondary was built on picks after 100. Sherman/Browner/Chancellor/Maxwell.

Well, duh...and there were plenty people who questioned this approach at the of the signings/draft.

Lucky
02-20-2014, 06:42 AM
A crappy plan if an injured Ed Reed and a lazy Montgomery are the plan.

I can garuntee you that if a franchise misses more than it hits on top 100 picks that franchise will have a losing record. Franchises that hit on those picks are usually playoff teams. I mean Seattles secondary was built on picks after 100. Sherman/Browner/Chancellor/Maxwell.

Earl Thomas was a 1st round pick, But the Seahawks scheme isn't based on a CB 40 time so that allows them to find guys that fit their scheme late in the draft.

Insideop
03-02-2014, 09:51 PM
Saw this article about the possible compensatory picks for all the eligible NFL teams and they had Houston getting 2 extra 5th rounders. I was hoping for a 4th but I guess the 2 in the 5th is not too bad. Make sure you scroll down to the section that shows who each team lost and what they gained. It'll help with how they came to their conclusions. Here's the link. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.philly.com%2Fphilly%2Fblogs%2 Fred_zone%2F2014-NFL-compensatory-pick-projections.html&ei=cukTU_SCCsWX2QXyuoCYBQ&usg=AFQjCNG94L1kw194CgLVBTpL5f-sKQLB9w&bvm=bv.61965928,d.b2I&cad=rja

If that's the way it turns out who do you hope the Texans get with those 2 extra picks?

ObsiWan
03-02-2014, 10:50 PM
Saw this article about the possible compensatory picks for all the eligible NFL teams and they had Houston getting 2 extra 5th rounders. I was hoping for a 4th but I guess the 2 in the 5th is not too bad. Make sure you scroll down to the section that shows who each team lost and what they gained. It'll help with how they came to their conclusions. Here's the link. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.philly.com%2Fphilly%2Fblogs%2 Fred_zone%2F2014-NFL-compensatory-pick-projections.html&ei=cukTU_SCCsWX2QXyuoCYBQ&usg=AFQjCNG94L1kw194CgLVBTpL5f-sKQLB9w&bvm=bv.61965928,d.b2I&cad=rja

If that's the way it turns out who do you hope the Texans get with those 2 extra picks?
Houston
Lost: Barwin ($6m), Casey ($4.8m), Quin ($4.7m), Forsett ($1m), Ball ($1m), D. Jones ($905k)
Signed: Reed ($5m), Lechler ($1.8m), G. Jones ($1m)

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/red_zone/2014-NFL-compensatory-pick-projections.html#RSJiJmCidMpQ6qp7.99

Lost:
Barwin ($6m), Casey ($4.8m), Quin ($4.7m), Forsett ($1m), Ball ($1m), D. Jones ($905k)
Signed:
Reed ($5m), Lechler ($1.8m), G. Jones ($1m)

So Reed cancels out Quin and Lechler / Jones cancel out Forsett, Ball, and D. Jones. That leaves Casey and Barwin unaccounted for...

Two picks sounds about right.

Lucky
03-02-2014, 11:05 PM
Houston
Lost: Barwin ($6m), Casey ($4.8m), Quin ($4.7m), Forsett ($1m), Ball ($1m), D. Jones ($905k)
Signed: Reed ($5m), Lechler ($1.8m), G. Jones ($1m)


Last year, Atlanta received a 4th round pick (pick #133) as compensation for Curtis Lofton. Lofton had signed a contract with the Saints that averaged $5.5 million/year. Barwin received a contract from the Eagles that averaged $6 million/year. So why would Barwin only be valued at a 5th compensation? I think the Texans get a 4th for Barwin and a 5th for Quin.

kiwitexansfan
03-03-2014, 12:28 AM
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Last year, Atlanta received a 4th round pick (pick #133) as compensation for Curtis Lofton. Lofton had signed a contract with the Saints that averaged $5.5 million/year. Barwin received a contract from the Eagles that averaged $6 million/year. So why would Barwin only be valued at a 5th compensation? I think the Texans get a 4th for Barwin and a 5th for Quin.

Depends on who was signed.

Lucky
03-03-2014, 12:52 AM
Depends on who was signed.
How so?

kiwitexansfan
03-03-2014, 01:26 AM
How so?

The value of comp picks I believe is based on a formula relating to free agents signed minus free agents lost. Based on size of contract and maybe playing time even.

Lucky
03-03-2014, 01:48 AM
The value of comp picks I believe is based on a formula relating to free agents signed minus free agents lost. Based on size of contract and maybe playing time even.
Yes. The Texan lost a net 2 free agents.

Lost:
Barwin ($6m), Casey ($4.8m), Quin ($4.7m), Forsett ($1m), Ball ($1m), D. Jones ($905k)
Signed:
Reed ($5m), Lechler ($1.8m), G. Jones ($1m)

Casey, Quin, and Reed would carry 5th round compensation. So Reed would cancel out Casey. Lechler and Greg Jones would cancel out Forsett and Ball. The blog would imply that Donnie Jones contract would not qualify for compensation. That leaves Barwin (4th) and Quin (5th) as the net plus 2 FAs in my estimation.

Dutchrudder
03-03-2014, 10:43 AM
Houston
Lost: Barwin ($6m), Casey ($4.8m), Quin ($4.7m), Forsett ($1m), Ball ($1m), D. Jones ($905k)
Signed: Reed ($5m), Lechler ($1.8m), G. Jones ($1m)

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/red_zone/2014-NFL-compensatory-pick-projections.html#RSJiJmCidMpQ6qp7.99

Lost:
Barwin ($6m), Casey ($4.8m), Quin ($4.7m), Forsett ($1m), Ball ($1m), D. Jones ($905k)
Signed:
Reed ($5m), Lechler ($1.8m), G. Jones ($1m)

So Reed cancels out Quin and Lechler / Jones cancel out Forsett, Ball, and D. Jones. That leaves Casey and Barwin unaccounted for...

Two picks sounds about right.


That blog you linked actually says that the Texans would be eligible for a 7th net loss pick, but since there are more than 32 projected compensatory picks, the Texans will miss the cutoff. That may be the case, but just wanted to point out that Houston should qualify for a 7th as well.

steelbtexan
03-03-2014, 10:46 AM
Yes. The Texan lost a net 2 free agents.

Lost:
Barwin ($6m), Casey ($4.8m), Quin ($4.7m), Forsett ($1m), Ball ($1m), D. Jones ($905k)
Signed:
Reed ($5m), Lechler ($1.8m), G. Jones ($1m)

Casey, Quin, and Reed would carry 5th round compensation. So Reed would cancel out Casey. Lechler and Greg Jones would cancel out Forsett and Ball. The blog would imply that Donnie Jones contract would not qualify for compensation. That leaves Barwin (4th) and Quin (5th) as the net plus 2 FAs in my estimation.

Man it just gets me that Quin only got 4.7 and Reed was signed for 5 mil.

Thanks Slick Rick

WolverineFan
03-03-2014, 10:56 AM
Man it just gets me that Quin only got 4.7 and Reed was signed for 5 mil.

Thanks Slick Rick

Yep. We let a 27-year old above average starter walk and signed a 36-year old on the down side of his career. For more money. He also had an injury that we apparently were not aware of and missed the entire offseason and preseason programs. What a botch of a move. I'll never understand that one.

Dutchrudder
03-03-2014, 11:14 AM
Yep. We let a 27-year old above average starter walk and signed a 36-year old on the down side of his career. For more money. He also had an injury that we apparently were not aware of and missed the entire offseason and preseason programs. What a botch of a move. I'll never understand that one.

The crazy thing about all that is that Quin's contract makes him cheaper than 4.7m APY. The total deal is worth 23.5 million over 5 years, but the team can cut him after year 3 is complete for a total cost of 13.75 million, or 4.583m a year. Whereas the Texans gave Ed Reed 3 years 15 million total, and ended up paying him a little over 5 million for his 1 year of service.

http://www.overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Glover%20Quin&Position=S&Team=Lions

WolverineFan
03-03-2014, 11:18 AM
The crazy thing about all that is that Quin's contract makes him cheaper than 4.7m APY. The total deal is worth 23.5 million over 5 years, but the team can cut him after year 3 is complete for a total cost of 13.75 million, or 4.583m a year. Whereas the Texans gave Ed Reed 3 years 15 million total, and ended up paying him a little over 5 million for his 1 year of service.

http://www.overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Glover%20Quin&Position=S&Team=Lions

Just completely ridiculous. That kind of move screams incompetence to me.

infantrycak
03-03-2014, 12:22 PM
Just completely ridiculous. That kind of move screams incompetence to me.

That move screamed they believed they really were 1 player away and took a huge gamble on experience/leadership which failed miserably. Turns out sometimes age means stuck in his ways and he was counterproductive on and off the field.

Texian
03-03-2014, 12:43 PM
The value of comp picks I believe is based on a formula relating to free agents signed minus free agents lost. Based on size of contract and maybe playing time even.

It is a complicated formula that not even NFL GMs know or understand. Your comments are on the right track. In addition, the formula also includes when the lost FA was drafted, playing time, what individual awards they achieved, new contract value, etc. Comp picks in the past have usually been announced at the league's annual meeting, March 23-26 this year.

Dutchrudder
03-03-2014, 01:04 PM
That move screamed they believed they really were 1 player away and took a huge gamble on experience/leadership which failed miserably. Turns out sometimes age means stuck in his ways and he was counterproductive on and off the field.

Even if that was the case, Quin certainly wasn't the "one player" they needed to upgrade to become a contender. Anyone with half a brain could figure out our biggest weaknesses on defense were OLB, ILB and DT.

infantrycak
03-03-2014, 02:07 PM
Even if that was the case, Quin certainly wasn't the "one player" they needed to upgrade to become a contender. Anyone with half a brain could figure out our biggest weaknesses on defense were OLB, ILB and DT.

I don't think the on field play was the focus of signing Reed. I think they hoped he would be close to the same level as Quin on the field but they believed the team lacked experience and focus to get over the hump in the playoffs and that is where they became fascinated with Reed.

I'm criticizing them just as much for the signing as you. I just think the greater failing was not his health but research on how helpful he would be in the clubhouse. Handswarmer warned he wouldn't be the locker room guy they were shooting for.

TexansSeminole
03-03-2014, 02:25 PM
Yep. We let a 27-year old above average starter walk and signed a 36-year old on the down side of his career. For more money. He also had an injury that we apparently were not aware of and missed the entire offseason and preseason programs. What a botch of a move. I'll never understand that one.

I was so against not resigning Quin, he was extremely valuable in our defense. I don't think that move can be blamed on Kubiak. I'm looking at you Rick Smith.

infantrycak
03-03-2014, 02:36 PM
I was so against not resigning Quin, he was extremely valuable in our defense. I don't think that love can be blamed on Kubiak. I'm look at you Rick Smith.

If I had to put money down it would be on McNair.

Wade clearly wasn't on board. I don't think Kubiak would overrule Wade on this.

Not firing Smith may be McNair saying "my bad" on Reed.

TexansSeminole
03-03-2014, 02:41 PM
If I had to put money down it would be on McNair.

Wade clearly wasn't on board. I don't think Kubiak would overrule Wade on this.

Not firing Smith may be McNair saying "my bad" on Reed.

I just don't want it to happen again, whoever is to blame. That was such a bad idea.

I definitely need to learn how to type better on my phone.

infantrycak
03-03-2014, 03:16 PM
I definitely need to learn how to type better on my phone.

I just "upgraded" the software on my phone (overall it is much better) and the new autofill sucks donkey phallus.

steelbtexan
03-03-2014, 05:59 PM
If I had to put money down it would be on McNair.

Wade clearly wasn't on board. I don't think Kubiak would overrule Wade on this.

Not firing Smith may be McNair saying "my bad" on Reed.

So this means Johnny Football is likely to be chosen 1-1?

infantrycak
03-03-2014, 06:07 PM
So this means Johnny Football is likely to be chosen 1-1?

Hey I agreed with you on one. Don't get greedy and try to rope me into all your fetishes.

ObsiWan
03-03-2014, 07:18 PM
I was so against not resigning Quin, he was extremely valuable in our defense. I don't think that move can be blamed on Kubiak. I'm looking at you Rick Smith.

If I had to put money down it would be on McNair.

Wade clearly wasn't on board. I don't think Kubiak would overrule Wade on this.

Not firing Smith may be McNair saying "my bad" on Reed.

I'd be willing to front that bet. From everything I heard McNair say, he was convinced Ed Reed's experience to put us over the top.

I think McNair made a "command decision" and Rick Smith followed orders. Who knows if Wade or Rick tried to talk him (Uncle Bob) out of it or just saluted then executed.

Texian
03-03-2014, 07:21 PM
I'd be willing to front that bet. From everything I heard McNair say, he was convinced Ed Reed's experience to put us over the top.

I think McNair made a "command decision" and Rick Smith followed orders. Who knows if Wade or Rick tried to talk him (Uncle Bob) out of it or just saluted then executed.

and why Bob sent his jet to pick him up.

HOU-TEX
03-24-2014, 05:10 PM
Sorry, not yet, but I've been reading Tweets all day saying they should be revealed soon. I've been checking in on Twitter all day and still nada. Hopefully soon


Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli
Good morning from NFL meetings. For those who've been asking, we should know who gets compensatory picks later today. #Texans


Andrew Brandt @adbrandt
Today is the annual NFL ritual of teams complaining about what they received as compensatory draft picks..

The Pencil Neck
03-24-2014, 05:14 PM
Dude.

You did not just tease me like that.

:vincepalm:

HOU-TEX
03-24-2014, 05:19 PM
Dude.

You did not just tease me like that.

:vincepalm:

Well, I did start off by saying sorry.

And, obviously I posted in the wrong forum. So, I's failed all the way around

The Pencil Neck
03-24-2014, 05:24 PM
Well, I did start off by saying sorry.

And, obviously I posted in the wrong forum. So, I's failed all the way around

Your "sorry" should have been in the title. You got my hopes soaring only to come spinning down to crash to earth.

I'll forgive you this time.

THIS time.

michaelm
03-24-2014, 05:26 PM
Your "sorry" should have been in the title. You got my hopes soaring only to come spinning down to crash to earth.

I'll forgive you this time.

THIS time.

I almost started another similar thread in the Texans Talk section just to yank your chain again.
Reason prevailed, however.

The Pencil Neck
03-24-2014, 05:34 PM
I almost started another similar thread in the Texans Talk section just to yank your chain again.
Reason prevailed, however.

NEGREP for the lot of you!

Playoffs
03-24-2014, 06:09 PM
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
Texans gets a 4th, 6th, 7th round compensatory picks.

4th #135 Houston
6th #211 Houston
7th #256 Houston

http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/03-24-14-compensatory-picks.pdf

rmartin65
03-24-2014, 06:09 PM
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 1m
Texans gets a 4th round compensatory pick.

... Is that it?

michaelm
03-24-2014, 06:12 PM
... Is that it?

No.
A 4th, 6th and 7th round pick.

Dutchrudder
03-24-2014, 06:13 PM
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL


4th #135 Houston
6th #211 Houston
7th #256 Houston

So we get Mr. Irrelevant again? Cool.

digitalswim
03-24-2014, 06:16 PM
So we get Mr. Irrelevant again? Cool.

Most of the the guys the Texans draft are irrelevant anyway. No need for a special distinction.

:whip:

Playoffs
03-24-2014, 06:22 PM
... I think we end up with two 5ths for Quin and Casey, and a 7th for Jones. So 3 compensatory picks should be coming our way to help the new regime right the ship. Not too shabby.

All done.

:clap:

Wolf6151
03-24-2014, 06:32 PM
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL


4th #135 Houston
6th #211 Houston
7th #256 Houston

http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/03-24-14-compensatory-picks.pdf

If this holds to be true, that's alot more than I thought we'd get. That 4th could be really good in a very deep draft like this one, there should be some good talent left on the board by then. Also with so many picks this should free us up to do some trading with our own picks.

mussop
03-24-2014, 06:33 PM
No.
A 4th, 6th and 7th round pick.

That is great news. This is a great year to have 11 draft picks.

TexansSeminole
03-24-2014, 06:34 PM
Nice.

1.1 (1)
2.1 (33)
3.1 (65)
4.1 (101)
4.35 (135)
5.1 (141)
6.1 (177)
6.5 (181)
6.35 (211)
7.1 (216)
7.41 (256)

This should be our list.

kiwitexansfan
03-24-2014, 06:46 PM
ROUND - OVERALL SELECTION - TEAM
3 -33 - 97 - Pittsburgh
3 - 34 - 98 - Green Bay
3 - 35 - 99 - Baltimore
3 - 36 - 100 San Francisco
4 - 33 - 133 Detroit
4 - 34 - 134 Baltimore
4 - 35 - 135 Houston
4 - 36 - 136 Detroit
4 - 37 - 137 New York Jets
4 - 38 - 138 Baltimore
4 - 39 - 139 Atlanta
4 - 40 - 140 New England
5 - 33 - 173 Pittsburgh
5 - 34 - 174 New York Giants
5 - 35 - 175 Baltimore
5 - 36 - 176 Green Bay
6 - 33 - 209 New York Jets
6 - 34 - 210 New York Jets
6 - 35 - 211 Houston
6 - 36 - 212 Cincinnati
6 - 37 - 213 New York Jets
6 - 38 - 214 St. Louis
6 - 39 - 215 Pittsburgh
7 - 33 - 248 Dallas
7 - 34 - 249 St. Louis
7 - 35 - 250 St. Louis
7 - 36 - 251 Dallas
7 - 37 - 252 Cincinnati
7 - 38 - 253 Atlanta
7 - 39 - 254 Dallas
7 - 40 -255 Atlanta
7 - 41 - 256 Houston

LINK (http://nflcommunications.com/2014/03/24/nfl-announces-32-compensatory-draft-choices-to-13-clubs/)

Texans with the first and last pick of the draft.

_King_
03-24-2014, 06:49 PM
Nice.

1.1 (1)
2.1 (33)
3.1 (65)
4.1 (101)
4.35 (135)
5.1 (141)
6.1 (177)
6.5 (181)
6.35 (211)
7.1 (216)
7.41 (256)

This should be our list.

An extra 4th rounder?!?!??

Boss.

281
03-24-2014, 06:50 PM
I am straight up giddy about this... it makes the inactivity in free agency even more justified. In a DEEP draft, having 11 picks will be SWEET!

ObsiWan
03-24-2014, 07:10 PM
Does anyone have an inkling on how the order of the comp pick is determined; i.e., why mid-4th but last in the 7th?

paycheck71
03-24-2014, 07:13 PM
I am straight up giddy about this... it makes the inactivity in free agency even more justified. In a DEEP draft, having 11 picks will be SWEET!

These 3 picks are based on last years free agency. (unless that's the inactivity you meant. In that case, disregard)

steelbtexan
03-24-2014, 07:16 PM
Now that the comp picks are in it's time to get on with the TT Mock Draft.

281
03-24-2014, 07:18 PM
These 3 picks are based on last years free agency. (unless that's the inactivity you meant. In that case, disregard)

True, but what I get from bringing 11 rookies in and not signing too many free agents is a plan to draft BO'B co-signed players so he can coach them from the get-go. If it's a bit of a rebuild, so be it. Long term, this could be very good if we draft well.

Marshall
03-24-2014, 07:23 PM
Does anyone have an inkling on how the order of the comp pick is determined; i.e., why mid-4th but last in the 7th?
As I understand it, the comps are ranked by the value of the player lost minus a player signed. Those with sufficient differentials get the 3rd round, next 4th round and so on with the individual picks determined by the net value within each round.

But I could easily be wrong.

Number19
03-24-2014, 07:29 PM
Sweet. Better than expected.

dsorc
03-24-2014, 07:53 PM
Does anyone have an inkling on how the order of the comp pick is determined; i.e., why mid-4th but last in the 7th?

It all depends on the players for which the compensatory pick is awarded. You can think of the round as different value tiers and then the pick order in each round is based on the value of each player within that tier. Value is determined by a hidden formula that account for contract (the main indicator of the round the pick is worth) plus playing time and accolades I believe.

Texan4Ever
03-24-2014, 08:01 PM
Can we trade these comp picks? If not, I'd like to target small-school or high-risk, high-reward type of guys.

infantrycak
03-24-2014, 08:14 PM
Can we trade these comp picks? If not, I'd like to target small-school or high-risk, high-reward type of guys.

No trading comp picks.

SAMURAITEXAN
03-24-2014, 08:15 PM
Glad we got more picks than I expected. We really needed those picks this year. Hope, BoB and Rick are able to use those picks wisely.

Playoffs
03-24-2014, 10:30 PM
Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock
The #Texans were the only AFC South team to be rewarded with any comp picks.

honored82
03-24-2014, 10:52 PM
Houston Texans: 4th round (135), 6th round (211), 7th round (256)

Houston Texans: Lost: Alan Ball, Connor Barwin, James Casey, Justin Forsett, Donnie Jones, Glover Quin. Signed: Greg Jones, Shane Lechler, Ed Reed.

Lost 6, gained 3. So,that gives us 3 picks. Could have got 1 more if we didn't sign Ed Reed.

So now we have 11 picks in the draft.

Round 1, Pick 1 (1)
Round 2, Pick 1 (33)
Round 3, Pick 1 (65)
Round 4, Pick 1 (101)
Round 4, pick 35 (135)
Round 5, Pick 1 (141)
Round 6, Pick 1 (177)
Round 6, Pick 5 (181) From Oakland
Round 6, pick 33 (211)
Round 7, Pick 1 (224)
Round 7, Last pick (256)

The Pencil Neck
03-24-2014, 11:23 PM
This makes me happy.

That 4th... if not screwed up... could be awesome.

Malloy
03-25-2014, 05:46 AM
And only one to the Pats, what happened? :)

TheRealJoker
03-25-2014, 07:04 AM
All depends on WHO we draft. Remember the "Mario" comp pick was used on Sam Montgomery last year.

Sorry to be a buzzkill :(

Insideop
03-25-2014, 08:26 AM
All depends on WHO we draft. Remember the "Mario" comp pick was used on Sam Montgomery last year.

Sorry to be a buzzkill :(

Yeah, they can't afford to make those kinds of picks again. Not sure who was the one behind that pick (Wade, Smith, Kubes, etc) or if it was a consensus pick among the group, but that was a killer. I know last year was a bad year for LB's (weak class) but that pick made me sick! What a waste! Just can't do that again.

TheIronDuke
03-25-2014, 08:51 AM
Glad I was finally wrong about something! Hope that Rick Smith can actually do something with a comp pick besides blow it.

pirbroke
03-25-2014, 09:04 AM
So we get Mr. Irrelevant again? Cool.


Could he be the QB pick? lol

LikeMike
03-25-2014, 09:56 AM
All depends on WHO we draft. Remember the "Mario" comp pick was used on Sam Montgomery last year.

Sorry to be a buzzkill :(

I wouldn`t really call it buzzkill. We took a chance with that pick. We got a guy that many believed had 1st round talent but some character issues. I don`t have a problem with selecting a guy like that with a comp. pick. Of course, it sucks when it doesn`t pan out - but any high to midround pick that doesn`t pan out sucks.

I am a little surprised we got a 4th in there, but I┤ll take it. Let`s fill some holes this draft...

CloakNNNdagger
03-25-2014, 10:34 AM
Texans get 3 (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24499306/nfl-gives-out-32-compensatory-picks-ravens-jets-lead-with-four):

http://i.imgur.com/MUFetdY.pngl

michaelm
03-25-2014, 10:47 AM
My question is what would we have gotten if we had not signed Ed Reed, and what pick did Baltimore get because we signed him?

badboy
03-25-2014, 12:59 PM
Wow a 4th? blows me away. Thought we'd get a 5th as highest. So we now have three 6ths. I can smell a trade up using our own.

keyser
03-25-2014, 06:12 PM
My question is what would we have gotten if we had not signed Ed Reed, and what pick did Baltimore get because we signed him?

Based on what I was seeing in several estimates, he probably cancelled out a 5th round compensatory pick. I've also seen Ravens boards indicating that their 5th round pick was compensation for Reed (3rd for Kruger, 4th for Ellerbe, 4th for Williams, 5th for Reed).

So, probably you could roughly consider that the pick 35 in round 5, number 175 overall, was what we gave to Baltimore in order to sign Ed Reed.

Dutchrudder
03-25-2014, 06:13 PM
My question is what would we have gotten if we had not signed Ed Reed, and what pick did Baltimore get because we signed him?

It appears that Baltimore got a 3rd for Paul Kruger 8.1 APY, a 4th for Dannell Ellerbe 7.2 APY, a 4th for Cary Williams 5.66 APY, and a 5th for Ed Reed 5 APY.

Some other notable players compensatory picks I can see given the info:

New England got the lowest 4th for Welker - 6m APY

Detroit 4ths for Cliff Avril 6.5 APY and Gosder Cherilus 6.9 APY. Cherilus being the highest 4th.

Jets 4th for Laron Landry - 6 APY

Packers got a 3rd for Greg Jennings 9.5 APY and the last 5th for Walden 4 APY

Steelers got a 3rd for Mike Wallace 12 APY, the highest 5th for Keenan Lewis 5.1 APY, and the lowest 6th for Mendenhall 2.5 APY.

49ers got the lowest 3rd for Dashon Goldson at 8.25 APY.

I point out the highest and lowest of each bracket because the formula is not public, and there are some things that are affecting it besides total value of the contract. Wes Welker's deal was 6m APY, but he's the cutoff for the bottom of the 4th round pick bracket. The next contract down is Steelers' Lewis with 5.1m APY, and he is rated a 5th. So we could look at that and clearly see the cutoff between 4th and 5th this year was between 6m and 5.1 APY.

We can also see Walden at 4m APY netted the final 5th. However, the Jets got the first two 6ths for Mike Devito 4.2 APY and Dustin Keller 4.25m APY. So there's a blurry line there, probably based on snap counts or performance.

Cherilus is the highest 4th at 6.9m, which puts the line between 3rd and 4th somewhere around the 7.5m APY range.

Just some interesting stuff to nerds...

EVOLVIST
03-27-2014, 12:33 AM
Hope that Rick Smith can actually do something with a comp pick besides blow it.

Are you saying that Rick Smith blew Sam Montgomery?

mussop
03-27-2014, 12:48 AM
Are you saying that Rick Smith blew Sam Montgomery?

Maybe it was the other way around. That would explain alot.:fingergun:

EVOLVIST
03-27-2014, 12:55 AM
Maybe it was the other way around. That would explain alot.:fingergun:

Question is, how many picks will Rick blow this year...and will he be able to stop himself from doing it? ;)

steelbtexan
03-27-2014, 02:01 AM
Question is, how many picks will Rick blow this year...and will he be able to stop himself from doing it? ;)

I have my doubts.

Even though picking at the top of each rd means Rick should easily be able to add 4 players.

Rd.1 Clowney
Rd.2 Garappolo
Rd.3 James
Rd.3 after trading a 4th and 5th Jaylen Watkins
Rd.4 comp pick Justin Ellis
Rd. 6. Max Bullough
Rd.6 Dri Archer
Rd.7 Matt Patchan
Rd. 7 Dez Southward

Fills positions of need and adds much needed team speed. Rick could only hope to do this well.

Scooter
03-27-2014, 02:56 AM
IMO the best part about the compensatory picks is the flexibility it gives. i'm of the mind the more picks you have the better, even if it's a bunch of 7th rounders, and adding 3 selections is a huge bonus. however, these picks allow us to trade our natural picks to move up and down the middle rounds. if we could find some miracle to trade out of the first overall, we'd have some serious firepower in what looks like a very deep and talented class to target specific players - and a lot of them.

Wolf6151
03-27-2014, 04:01 AM
IMO the best part about the compensatory picks is the flexibility it gives. i'm of the mind the more picks you have the better, even if it's a bunch of 7th rounders, and adding 3 selections is a huge bonus. however, these picks allow us to trade our natural picks to move up and down the middle rounds. if we could find some miracle to trade out of the first overall, we'd have some serious firepower in what looks like a very deep and talented class to target specific players - and a lot of them.

I've given some serious thought to this idea as well since there is so much talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, but the problem I have with it is that this is a QB driven league and I don't want to lose out on Teddy Bridgewater. This guys got the skill, intelligence, and work ethic/drive to get better, and a good QB is worth more than quality players at alot of other positions.

Scooter
03-27-2014, 04:43 AM
I've given some serious thought to this idea as well since there is so much talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, but the problem I have with it is that this is a QB driven league and I don't want to lose out on Teddy Bridgewater. This guys got the skill, intelligence, and work ethic/drive to get better, and a good QB is worth more than quality players at alot of other positions.

i have zero problem with this line of thinking. if the coaches feel that bridgewater or another quarterback is "the man" and wants him ... it would be idiotic to trade back and risk losing the single most important player they could have. being an armchair GM, i dont feel that way. i think the 3rd+ round qb's have as much or more potential than the first rounders. one of the mid rounders has 2 championships, and a late rounder would enter the league as the prototype (size, cannon, legs, and intelligence). either way, first overall or 7th round would need to sit a year before starting.

since we have 3 quarterbacks on the roster, all of which have half a season or more of starting experience, i'm perfectly content with going into 2014 with our "quarterback of the future" coming from a more targeted position than first overall. trade back and give me those extra picks, especially at rookie salaries to bolster a roster changeover. let me use those compensatory picks as a safety net as i maneuver up and down the charts to get specific players best fitted to this team - or even better, hedging my bets by trading again and having the highest number of picks.

ArlingtonTexan
03-30-2014, 10:22 AM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-value-of-compensatory-picks.html

Lots of math warning

ArlingtonTexan
04-06-2014, 10:27 AM
GBNreport tracking signings with an eye for next year compensatory picks

http://gbnreport.com/freeagentscoreboard.html

Playoffs
04-06-2014, 04:06 PM
GBNreport tracking signings with an eye for next year compensatory picks

http://gbnreport.com/freeagentscoreboard.html

Great Blue North was my first "draft" website ever. Great stuff.