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PapaL
09-05-2013, 12:03 PM
At least one person, John Clayton, thinks Schaub isn't that bad; ESPN LINK (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9592180/nfl-quarterback-rankings-john-clayton-reveals-2013-hierarchy-part-1)

Analysis: The Texans are paying him $15.5 million a year, so they must think he's elite. Schaub may not be flashy, but he's good. And now that he's staying reasonably healthy, he is giving the Texans a shot at the playoffs every year. When he's right, he'll complete 64 to 69 percent of his passes. He has had three 4,000-plus-yard seasons in the past four years. He's doing something right.

Arrow is pointing: up

Texian
09-05-2013, 12:14 PM
At least one person, John Clayton, thinks Schaub isn't that bad; ESPN LINK (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9592180/nfl-quarterback-rankings-john-clayton-reveals-2013-hierarchy-part-1)

That's about right. Only disagreement IMHO Elite QBs are making $20 million, so $15 million for #10 is where it should be. Also Schaub has shown in the past that he doesn't fare all that well against the $20 million a year QBs.

thunderkyss
09-05-2013, 12:18 PM
That's about right. Only disagreement IMHO Elite QBs are making $20 million, so $15 million for #10 is where it should be. Also Schaub has shown in the past that he doesn't fare all that well against the $20 million a year QBs.

If Schaub belongs in the group, we got a great deal. All them guys just got paid in the last two years.... well, maybe not Ben & Eli, but they're still making more than Matt.

Playoffs
09-05-2013, 12:40 PM
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DX-TEX
09-05-2013, 01:03 PM
Schaub will have a Flacco like chip on his shoulder this season and win the MVP!

:cow::texflag::koolaid::splits::trophy::texan:

speedfreek
09-05-2013, 05:02 PM
#10 is about right. He's good, but not a game changer..
(won't be until he elevates the team with wins over
brady, brees, and rogers at least 50% of the time)

TJ

Thorn
09-05-2013, 05:16 PM
I most certainly have a problem with Romo being rated above Schaub, and perhaps Flacco, but at least Flacco proved his worth when he needed to. Other than that, I can't quibble a lot with that list.

dream_team
09-05-2013, 05:28 PM
At least one person, John Clayton, thinks Schaub isn't that bad; ESPN LINK (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9592180/nfl-quarterback-rankings-john-clayton-reveals-2013-hierarchy-part-1)

Ron Jaworski also rated Schaub #9 about a month ago. Most of my non-Texans-fan friends like Schaub. I seriously think it's mostly Texans fans that thinks he's overrated.

michaelm
09-05-2013, 05:32 PM
I most certainly have a problem with Romo being rated above Schaub, and perhaps Flacco, but at least Flacco proved his worth when he needed to. Other than that, I can't quibble a lot with that list.

I don't really care for Flacco as a QB, but he did what Schaub has never done. He played big when all the chips were in the middle of the table. That alone puts him above Schaub in my mind. Other than that, though, aren't they statistical twins?

The Pencil Neck
09-05-2013, 08:51 PM
I don't really care for Flacco as a QB, but he did what Schaub has never done. He played big when all the chips were in the middle of the table. That alone puts him above Schaub in my mind. Other than that, though, aren't they statistical twins?

I've never been a fan of Flacco. Up until last year's playoff run, he always folded under pressure. And that's how we beat them last year, we hit him a couple of times and he played scared from that point on.

But he didn't do that in the post-season. So maybe he's turned a corner.

But from a statistical standpoint, Schaub is a step up from Flacco.

Flacco has never thrown for over 3900 yards in a season. Schaub? 3 out of the last 4 seasons, he's thrown for over 4000 yards and every season Schaub has played a whole season for the Texans, he's thrown over 4000 yards.

In 5 years, Flacco has broken a 90 QB rating 1 time and that was a 93.6 back in 2010. Last year, he had an 87.7. Schaub? With the Texans, he's been below 90 1 time (an 87.2 in 2007). His best was a 98.6 back in 2009 and last year he had a 90.7... one of his worst QB rating years with the Texans. Over his career, Flacco gets about 7.1 yards per attempt and Schaub over his career with the Texans gets about 7.8 yards per attempt.

houstonspartan
09-05-2013, 09:01 PM
Ron Jaworski also rated Schaub #9 about a month ago. Most of my non-Texans-fan friends like Schaub. I seriously think it's mostly Texans fans that thinks he's overrated.

The reason non-Texans fans love Schaub is because they don't watch the team on a regular basis. It's easy to swoop in, look at raw statistics, and say, "Wow, this guy is good!" Or to see a legendary Schaub-to-Andre pass highlight on ESPN and be impressed.


My non-Texans fan friends feel the same way yours do. They think we have a great qb. They don't see the nitty gritty, play-by-play things we pay attention to. All they see are high numbers and statistics.

Schaub has the stats, but not the performance. It's that simple.

thunderkyss
09-05-2013, 09:01 PM
I've never been a fan of Flacco. Up until last year's playoff run, he always folded under pressure.

I just think it's funny seeing Flacco, Romo, & Ryan getting paid like Rodgers.

We got a steal on Schaub (in comparison) & our fans are still upset. smh.

dream_team
09-05-2013, 11:01 PM
I just think it's funny seeing Flacco, Romo, & Ryan getting paid like Rodgers.

We got a steal on Schaub (in comparison) & our fans are still upset. smh.

This is my official stance as well. We don't have an elite QB, he's not going to single handedly win us games, but we do have great value at that position!!!

dream_team
09-05-2013, 11:03 PM
The reason non-Texans fans love Schaub is because they don't watch the team on a regular basis. It's easy to swoop in, look at raw statistics, and say, "Wow, this guy is good!" Or to see a legendary Schaub-to-Andre pass highlight on ESPN and be impressed.


My non-Texans fan friends feel the same way yours do. They think we have a great qb. They don't see the nitty gritty, play-by-play things we pay attention to. All they see are high numbers and statistics.

Schaub has the stats, but not the performance. It's that simple.

The flip-side to that is possibly Texans fans' standards are way too high. If we don't win a SB, we need a scapegoat, and for some reason mostly everyone has picked Schaub.

thunderkyss
09-06-2013, 01:14 AM
The flip-side to that is possibly Texans fans' standards are way too high. If we don't win a SB, we need a scapegoat, and for some reason mostly everyone has picked Schaub.

I think that's part of it. A big part of it. Right now, we look back & we say how poor the talent was on the pre-Kubiak team. But in 2005 we thought we had a play-off team.

Another reason is that we have a great many people who seems to focus only on the negative.

TheMatrix31
09-06-2013, 01:57 AM
I don't really care for Flacco as a QB, but he did what Schaub has never done. He played big when all the chips were in the middle of the table. That alone puts him above Schaub in my mind. Other than that, though, aren't they statistical twins?

Schaub's only been in the playoffs once.

eriadoc
09-06-2013, 02:57 AM
I seriously think it's mostly Texans fans that thinks he's overrated.

I don't know too many Texans fans that think he's overrated, but I know many who bristle at the harping that used to go on about Schaub being underrated, particularly after his 4700 yard season.

Flacco has never thrown for over 3900 yards in a season. Schaub? 3 out of the last 4 seasons, he's thrown for over 4000 yards and every season Schaub has played a whole season for the Texans, he's thrown over 4000 yards.

Flacco has one stat over Schaub that we all want Schaub to have, and that's playoff wins. He has a bunch. I'm not a Flacco fan, and I actually hate when people ascribe wins and losses to the QB, but you have to admit that Flacco steps it up in the playoffs. If we can't have a team with an elite QB, then I want a complete team that at least has a QB that steps it up when it really counts. How many chances did the Texans have to win home field advantage last season? Three? More? They controlled their destiny throughout the last half of the season, and Schaub buckled under the pressure. Much of the rest of the team did as well, but we're talking QB here.


Schaub has the stats, but not the performance. It's that simple.

Winner! Move the ball between the 20s and settle for FGs way too often, especially against good teams. The stats don't impress me any longer. I honestly believe Kubiak could take several of the QBs rated below Schaub in this list and have them putting up similar stats in a year or two.

ObsiWan
09-06-2013, 06:26 AM
I don't know too many Texans fans that think he's overrated, but I know many who bristle at the harping that used to go on about Schaub being underrated, particularly after his 4700 yard season.



Flacco has one stat over Schaub that we all want Schaub to have, and that's playoff wins. He has a bunch. I'm not a Flacco fan, and I actually hate when people ascribe wins and losses to the QB, but you have to admit that Flacco steps it up in the playoffs. If we can't have a team with an elite QB, then I want a complete team that at least has a QB that steps it up when it really counts. How many chances did the Texans have to win home field advantage last season? Three? More? They controlled their destiny throughout the last half of the season, and Schaub buckled under the pressure. Much of the rest of the team did as well, but we're talking QB here.


People forget that Flacco has had four previous years of playoff experience. AND was surrounded by pretty good talent - especially at RB - and backed up by a pretty good defense.

Let's look at Flacco's playoff history....
2008/09 - 2-1
@ Miami (W, 27-9) - 9-23 for 135 yds, 0 TDs, 0 Ints
@ Titans (W, 13-10) - 11-22 for 161 yds, 1 TD, 0 Ints
@ Steelers (L, 14-23) - 13-30 for 141, 0 TDs, 3 Ints
2009/10 - 1-1
@ Pats (W 33-14) - 4-10 for 34 yds, 0 TDs, 1 Int (they ran over the Pats for 220+ yds and 3 TDs)
@ Colts (L 3-20) - 20-35 for 189 yds, 0 TDs, 2 Ints
2010/11 - 1-1
@ Chiefs (W 30-7) - 25-34 for 265 yds, 2 TDs, 0 Ints (Flacco finally carries his weight)
@ Steelers (L 24-31) - 16-30 for 125 yds, 1 TD, 1 Int
2011/12 - 1-1
Vs Texans (W 20-17) - 14-27 for 176 yds, 2 TDs, 0 Ints (Yates throws 3 Ints and wastes a 150+ game from Foster and a 100 rcvg game from A.J.)
@ Pats (L 20-23) - 20-36 for 306 yds, 2 TDs, 1 Int (Finally has a decent playoff game and loses to Belichick)
2012/13 - 4-0 this is the only year I would say Flacco actually carried his team thru the playoffs - his fifth shot for a SB ring.
vs. Colts (W 24-9) - 12-23 for 282 yds, 2 TDs, 0 Ints
@ Broncos (W 38-35) - 18-34 for 334 yds, 3 TDs, 0 Ints
@ Pats (W 28-13) - 29-54 for 320 yds, 1 TD, 2 Ints
@ SF (W 34-31) - 22-33 for 287 yds, 3 TDs, 0 Ints

Let's see how he does this year with the heart and brains of that defense gone.

thunderkyss
09-06-2013, 07:43 AM
Winner! Move the ball between the 20s and settle for FGs way too often, especially against good teams. The stats don't impress me any longer. I honestly believe Kubiak could take several of the QBs rated below Schaub in this list and have them putting up similar stats in a year or two.

I completely agree with this statement. However, he did see enough in Matt to burn two 2nd round picks on him. So yes, a lot of Schaub's success is because of Gary Kubiak... but Matt's not chopped liver.

People forget that Flacco has had four previous years of playoff experience. AND was surrounded by pretty good talent - especially at RB - and backed up by a pretty good defense.

Let's see how he does this year with the heart and brains of that defense gone.

We're running out of time Chavez!!

I think it should be clear to anyone who watched that game last night, the Flacco is no better than Matt Schaub, but the fact remains we need to see Matt nutt up in the play-offs & play as well as Flacco did. Great defense, great running game, but that QB has to step up.... your stats show us that much.

HOU-TEX
09-06-2013, 08:43 AM
I don't know too many Texans fans that think he's overrated, but I know many who bristle at the harping that used to go on about Schaub being underrated, particularly after his 4700 yard season.



Flacco has one stat over Schaub that we all want Schaub to have, and that's playoff wins. He has a bunch. I'm not a Flacco fan, and I actually hate when people ascribe wins and losses to the QB, but you have to admit that Flacco steps it up in the playoffs. If we can't have a team with an elite QB, then I want a complete team that at least has a QB that steps it up when it really counts. How many chances did the Texans have to win home field advantage last season? Three? More? They controlled their destiny throughout the last half of the season, and Schaub buckled under the pressure. Much of the rest of the team did as well, but we're talking QB here.



Winner! Move the ball between the 20s and settle for FGs way too often, especially against good teams. The stats don't impress me any longer. I honestly believe Kubiak could take several of the QBs rated below Schaub in this list and have them putting up similar stats in a year or two.

I'm not going to say it's the sole reason for redzone mediocrity, but we hardly ever throw the corner fade. Teams run it multiple times and one game. We run it a couple few times a year.

The play is almost unstoppable if thrown correctly.

76Texan
09-06-2013, 09:25 AM
Schaubie has a better playoff win/lost percentage than Peyton manning, just saying. :lol:

The Pencil Neck
09-06-2013, 10:16 AM
Flacco has one stat over Schaub that we all want Schaub to have, and that's playoff wins. He has a bunch. I'm not a Flacco fan, and I actually hate when people ascribe wins and losses to the QB, but you have to admit that Flacco steps it up in the playoffs. If we can't have a team with an elite QB, then I want a complete team that at least has a QB that steps it up when it really counts. How many chances did the Texans have to win home field advantage last season? Three? More? They controlled their destiny throughout the last half of the season, and Schaub buckled under the pressure. Much of the rest of the team did as well, but we're talking QB here.

Someone else put the stats up but Flacco never stepped it up in the playoffs until last year. His team carried him to a lot of victories. Last night, he started to get that Deer Caught In Headlights look that I thought he'd overcome at the end of last season.

Schaub has had 1 opportunity to get into the playoffs and he didn't look great. Now... he's had the experience. Hopefully he's learned and grown from that and he can do better the next time.

That's why I've been saying that I don't believe Schaub has stopped improving. I don't think we've seen him at his ceiling and with the type of QB he is (more about accuracy and intelligence than arm-strength), he could continue to improve and play at a high level for several more years... like a Rich Gannon who had his best seasons when he was older than Schaub is now.

houstonspartan
09-07-2013, 06:51 PM
The flip-side to that is possibly Texans fans' standards are way too high. If we don't win a SB, we need a scapegoat, and for some reason mostly everyone has picked Schaub.

Our standards are too high? We've had the same head coach for, what, seven years now? And it's too much to expect a Super Bowl in seven years, when it really only takes about 5 to re-build a team?

Seven years and we shouldn't expect a Super Bowl?

Are you kidding?

infantrycak
09-07-2013, 08:01 PM
Our standards are too high? We've had the same head coach for, what, seven years now? And it's too much to expect a Super Bowl in seven years, when it really only takes about 5 to re-build a team?

Seven years and we shouldn't expect a Super Bowl?

Are you kidding?

No, you are being unrealistic. Even a SB appearance every 7 years is a ridiculous standard.

Only Pittsburgh, Dallas and New England have averaged less than 7 years per appearance.

ObsiWan
09-07-2013, 09:40 PM
Our standards are too high? We've had the same head coach for, what, seven years now? And it's too much to expect a Super Bowl in seven years, when it really only takes about 5 to re-build a team?

Seven years and we shouldn't expect a Super Bowl?

Are you kidding?
Ummm... if a team is very lucky and hits on major picks and finds some solid F/As (good vets or diamond-in-the-rough UDFAs) it can turn around it's fortunes in a relatively short term.

How long have Miami, Oakland, Cleveland, Detroit, Jacksonville, Buffalo, and St. Louis been struggling to get back to mediocrity, let alone playoff-land? The Cardinal franchise has been around since 1920 and have only had ONE Super Bowl appearance.

Every fanbase wants a Super Bowl every season and every team's goal is to win it. No doubt about that.

But "expect"....??

With the talent on this Texans team I expect them to get into the playoffs. After that its a crapshoot. Recent history has shown it's a matter of who gets hot and healthy in January that decides who gets to the Super Bowl.

ATXtexanfan
09-07-2013, 10:18 PM
Schaub at ten isnt good enough. He needs to elevate his game

MEGA SWATT
09-07-2013, 11:19 PM
I most certainly have a problem with Romo being rated above Schaub, and perhaps Flacco, but at least Flacco proved his worth when he needed to. Other than that, I can't quibble a lot with that list.

Agree

ATXtexanfan
09-07-2013, 11:27 PM
I most certainly have a problem with Romo being rated above Schaub, and perhaps Flacco, but at least Flacco proved his worth when he needed to. Other than that, I can't quibble a lot with that list.

I'd take romo. Naked bootleg he has wheels for a first down. Also has a better arm. Would take flacco also.

76Texan
09-08-2013, 12:03 AM
There are 13 other teams that never won a SB, with several of them running a drought of over forty years.

It took the Cardinals 65 years just to get to the SB.
Since 1985, they only had 3 seasons with a winning record.
Fifteen of those seasons ended with 5 or fewer wins.

They had two "Perfect" 0-10 seasons, and five with just one (1) win to show for.
Their franchise record is 209 under the .500 mark.
They have never won the big prize since 1920.

How would you like to be one of their fans? LOL.

thunderkyss
09-08-2013, 06:42 AM
Ummm... if a team is very lucky and hits on major picks and finds some solid F/As (good vets or diamond-in-the-rough UDFAs) it can turn around it's fortunes in a relatively short term.

How long have Miami, Oakland, Cleveland, Detroit, Jacksonville, Buffalo, and St. Louis been struggling to get back to mediocrity, let alone playoff-land? The Cardinal franchise has been around since 1920 and have only had ONE Super Bowl appearance.

Every fanbase wants a Super Bowl every season and every team's goal is to win it. No doubt about that.

But "expect"....??

With the talent on this Texans team I expect them to get into the playoffs. After that its a crapshoot. Recent history has shown it's a matter of who gets hot and healthy in January that decides who gets to the Super Bowl.

I understand what houstonspartan is saying, 5 years & you should expect your team to be a Super Bowl contender. Just because the worse organizations in the league can't do it doesn't make it an unreasonable expectation. If the Cowboys, 49ers, Patriots, & Steelers are averaging less than 7 years per Super Bowl appearance... that should be the goal.

I don't agree it's time to blow things up if we don't get it (it may not have been his intention, but that's what I inferred). We've been thinking we should have been in the Super Bowl since 2011, we've been "expecting" a Super Bowl since Gary's 6th season. He rebuilt this failed expansion in 5 years.

Now, Gary has a Super Bowl contender, there's a window 3 maybe 5 years. This is year 3.... shouldn't we "expect" at least an appearance in the big game? I said I don't agree with it, but if Kubiak can't do it in 3 years with the team he built, would it make sense to bring someone in while the window is still open?

Think about the Bucs, the Colts, & maybe the Saints (if we stretch it).

thunderkyss
09-08-2013, 06:51 AM
I'd take romo. Naked bootleg he has wheels for a first down. Also has a better arm.

For all intents & purposes, Romo & Schaub are the same guy. Romo is more exciting to watch, but he needs a really good team to make anything happen. They had a defense & a running game a while back & they turned that into 1 play off win. With Romo being the "reason" they didn't win that divisional game.

That Dallas team was every bit as good & talented as the team we had last year & the year before. Swapping Schaub for Romo is trading half a dozen for six. It sounds better, but it's really the same thing.

gafftop
09-08-2013, 09:21 AM
For all intents & purposes, Romo & Schaub are the same guy. Romo is more exciting to watch, but he needs a really good team to make anything happen. They had a defense & a running game a while back & they turned that into 1 play off win. With Romo being the "reason" they didn't win that divisional game.

That Dallas team was every bit as good & talented as the team we had last year & the year before. Swapping Schaub for Romo is trading half a dozen for six. It sounds better, but it's really the same thing.

I know what MS/GK team will give us. I don't know what TR/GK will give us. I would make the trade. At least Romo has the ability to improvise which I think you must have to win the SB or even get to the SB. I think you have a better chance of controlling/managing Romo than asking MS to create/improvise. Just my opinion.

kingtexan
09-08-2013, 10:38 AM
List is a joke.

Matt is better than Luck, Wilson, Kaep, Stafford, RG3, etc?

C'mon man ...

DX-TEX
09-08-2013, 10:47 AM
List is a joke.

Matt is better than Luck, Wilson, Kaep, Stafford, RG3, etc?

C'mon man ...

All you listed have one season in the league. ONE.

Stafford? Stafford is like 1-23 vs teams with a winning record.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000217049/article/matthew-stafford-super-bowl-comes-before-top-dollar

kingtexan
09-08-2013, 10:53 AM
All you listed have one season in the league. ONE.

Stafford? Stafford is like 1-23 vs teams with a winning record.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000217049/article/matthew-stafford-super-bowl-comes-before-top-dollar

Ok then just for you take Stafford off the list and add Dalton, Newton, Cutler, and Tannehill.

There ya go sparky.

List is still a joke.

DX-TEX
09-08-2013, 10:57 AM
Ok then just for you take Stafford off the list and add Dalton, Newton, Cutler, and Tannehill.

There ya go sparky.

List is still a joke.

Daltons stats are underwhelming

Newton is a pouter and throws a lot of interceptions

Cutler is inconsistent and has a piss poor attitude

Tannehill...one season again

Hey I jumped on the Schaub hate train last year but he is NOT hot garbage like some claim. Hes proven dependable (health), has good stats and can manage a game. I am just amazed how people put one year wonders at the top of the QB list. The only one of the QB's from the last couple seasons I see with any real future is Luck.

RG3, Kap and Wilson: lets see how they fare now that defenders know they can hit them and not worry about the rules to protect QB's.

kingtexan
09-08-2013, 11:01 AM
Daltons stats are underwhelming

Newton is a pouter and throws a lot of interceptions

Cutler is inconsistent and has a piss poor attitude

Tannehill...one season again

Hey I jumped on the Schaub hate train last year but he is NOT hot garbage like some claim. Hes proven dependable (health), has good stats and can manage a game. I am just amazed how people put one year wonders at the top of the QB list. The only one of the QB's from the last couple seasons I see with any real future is Luck.

RG3, Kap and Wilson: lets see how they fare now that defenders know they can hit them and not worry about the rules to protect QB's.

We will see if Matt can stay healthy another year, and not turn the ball over at an amazing pace. But even if he can, I cant put him higher than middle of the pack. As for the one year guys, I think we will find out this year they are for real.

thunderkyss
09-08-2013, 11:23 AM
We will see if Matt can stay healthy another year, and not turn the ball over at an amazing pace. But even if he can, I cant put him higher than middle of the pack. As for the one year guys, I think we will find out this year they are for real.

Until then, they're right where they need to be.

ObsiWan
09-08-2013, 11:50 AM
I understand what houstonspartan is saying, 5 years & you should expect your team to be a Super Bowl contender. Just because the worse organizations in the league can't do it doesn't make it an unreasonable expectation. If the Cowboys, 49ers, Patriots, & Steelers are averaging less than 7 years per Super Bowl appearance... that should be the goal.
I seem to recall a quote in one of TC's blogs where she said Kubiak stated there has never been a season since he's been head coach that winning the Super Bowl wasn't his goal going into the season.

I don't agree it's time to blow things up if we don't get it (it may not have been his intention, but that's what I inferred). We've been thinking we should have been in the Super Bowl since 2011, we've been "expecting" a Super Bowl since Gary's 6th season. He rebuilt this failed expansion in 5 years.
I'm in complete agreement. I'm still scarred by the memory of Bud blowing up a 12-4 Oilers team (1993) because they failed to get to the Super Bowl. Took the better part of a decade (1999) to recover from that. I trust that Uncle Bob isn't that stupid. And from recent events, McNair is the kind of owner that makes careful, calculated moves. Our defense sucked, he went and got Wade. We got torched by Brady (even with Wade and Watt in place) he went and got Ed Reed. It remains to be seen if that will pay off as much as the Wade move did.

Now, Gary has a Super Bowl contender, there's a window 3 maybe 5 years. This is year 3.... shouldn't we "expect" at least an appearance in the big game? I said I don't agree with it, but if Kubiak can't do it in 3 years with the team he built, would it make sense to bring someone in while the window is still open?
First I don't believe the "window" has to be limited to a certain time frame. Dungy/Manning kept the Colts a contender for a decade. The Ravens have been perennial contenders since 2000. The Pats have been in the playoff picture nearly every year since 2001 (with the odd 7-9 season) The Steelers have too.
With solid offensive and defensive systems in place and a GM and scouting staff that replaces aging talent with young talent that excel in those systems, your team can stay playoff relevant for a long time. The examples are out there. It can be done.

BUT... if it becomes painfully apparent that Schaub - or GK - has "max'ed out" then Uncle Bob WILL cut them loose. But not until Uncle Bob has identified the guy(s) he perceives to be significant upgrade(s). Uncle Bob's first move will be to whisper in Gary's ear that "the Schaub era has run it's course, go find me a stud or I'll bring in a coach who will." Remember, careful, calculated moves; that's Uncle Bob's M.O.

Think about the Bucs, the Colts, & maybe the Saints (if we stretch it).Not sure what your point is here.
:texflag:

gafftop
09-08-2013, 02:39 PM
Ok then just for you take Stafford off the list and add Dalton, Newton, Cutler, and Tannehill.

There ya go sparky.

List is still a joke.

I agree 100 %. Anybody watching games today. It is obvious that a mobile QB is a big advantage. Watching Oak vs Colts. You don't need a ColinK but you do need something beside the absolute worst MS. I think it was painfully clear at the end of last year and the playoffs. Our D is not good enough to carry us. The offense is much more important now than what is was 10-15 years ago.

dream_team
09-08-2013, 04:18 PM
I agree 100 %. Anybody watching games today. It is obvious that a mobile QB is a big advantage. Watching Oak vs Colts. You don't need a ColinK but you do need something beside the absolute worst MS. I think it was painfully clear at the end of last year and the playoffs. Our D is not good enough to carry us. The offense is much more important now than what is was 10-15 years ago.

Is that why two defensive-minded teams were in the Superbowl last season?

Sway
09-08-2013, 04:41 PM
Schaub will have a Flacco like chip on his shoulder this season and win the MVP!

:cow::texflag::koolaid::splits::trophy::texan:

I SURE HOPE SO!!!

BUT:

BUT... Sure Schaub looks a little slow when one looks at his eyes, but I know there's more there. How else could he be in the NFL? ( fill in your favorite flakeout here) I think he may have attended a public speaking class in the off season - his poise and presence are much improved so good for him! That reflects better upon the entire team. GOOD!

Two seasons ago before we lost him, I remembered hearing on the radio that we were AFc's #1 ranked team ( I forget who we played, but it was a win) And that same day found out about the lisfranc injury. ugh.

Fast forward a year, we're off to a bad a$$ start 11- ? and what happens? No matter how he plays early season, I know I'll have those late season doubts creep into my head come November. How do you keep him motivated and focused? He says what he needs to in press conferences, but when it's him and the team in the huddle, or in the locker room at half time and we're not getting ti done, what is he saying? We always come back SO weak in the 3rd its predictable! Only certain personalities and individuals can fit a true leader on a football field (or hell, in life for that matter) and he has a long way to go before the league recognizes him as a leader (IMO). Personally, I think he oughta have a weekly contest between Yates n Keenum just to keep up. Would it be too much work? Would it be senseless? I dunno, I'll call my blonde woman lady card, but I love my Texans and as much as I've tried to stand by Schaub it seems I'm NEVER the one getting the last laugh and I"M TIRED OF IT! AND SO IS AJ i'm sure.

kingtexan
09-08-2013, 04:52 PM
I SURE HOPE SO!!!

BUT:

BUT... Sure Schaub looks a little slow when one looks at his eyes, but I know there's more there. How else could he be in the NFL? ( fill in your favorite flakeout here) I think he may have attended a public speaking class in the off season - his poise and presence are much improved so good for him! That reflects better upon the entire team. GOOD!

Two seasons ago before we lost him, I remembered hearing on the radio that we were AFc's #1 ranked team ( I forget who we played, but it was a win) And that same day found out about the lisfranc injury. ugh.

Fast forward a year, we're off to a bad a$$ start 11- ? and what happens? No matter how he plays early season, I know I'll have those late season doubts creep into my head come November. How do you keep him motivated and focused? He says what he needs to in press conferences, but when it's him and the team in the huddle, or in the locker room at half time and we're not getting ti done, what is he saying? We always come back SO weak in the 3rd its predictable! Only certain personalities and individuals can fit a true leader on a football field (or hell, in life for that matter) and he has a long way to go before the league recognizes him as a leader (IMO). Personally, I think he oughta have a weekly contest between Yates n Keenum just to keep up. Would it be too much work? Would it be senseless? I dunno, I'll call my blonde woman lady card, but I love my Texans and as much as I've tried to stand by Schaub it seems I'm NEVER the one getting the last laugh and I"M TIRED OF IT! AND SO IS AJ i'm sure.

Good post. The issue with Matt isn't that he is the worst QB in history, but that he tends to flake at the worst times. I agree that there is something in a QB's eyes that tells you something about what he has inside. Look at Matt then look at Case and tell me who wants it worse. Same with Manning, Favre, Elway, etc. Not comparing Case to them yet, he hasnt earned it, but he gets that look that I like to see in a QB.

DX-TEX
09-08-2013, 05:06 PM
Im with you Sway but I hope he has seen EVERYONE basically calling his manhood into question this offseason. Even Rick Smiths comments about QB's being measured by championships has to have sent some sort of ripple into Schuabs ego and upset him. It is human nature.

Unless my other fear is true and he is just a Kubiak robot that lacks emotion.

paycheck71
09-08-2013, 05:31 PM
I'd take romo. Naked bootleg he has wheels for a first down. Also has a better arm. Would take flacco also.

I don't understand how Romo haters don't see that he would kill it in our offense. He has to run for his life on 90% of the snaps, AND he has to throw 50 times a game with no running game to speak of, AND with all that he's still a pretty good QB.

thunderkyss
09-08-2013, 07:28 PM
I don't understand how Romo haters don't see that he would kill it in our offense. He has to run for his life on 90% of the snaps, AND he has to throw 50 times a game with no running game to speak of, AND with all that he's still a pretty good QB.

Because along with all that, he makes more mistakes than Matt. It's possible that Romo wouldn't make as many mistakes in our offense, because it is so QB friendly... but we don't know that.

He makes some bad decisions, I'd say more bad decisions than Matt.

paycheck71
09-08-2013, 07:32 PM
Because along with all that, he makes more mistakes than Matt. It's possible that Romo wouldn't make as many mistakes in our offense, because it is so QB friendly... but we don't know that.

He makes some bad decisions, I'd say more bad decisions than Matt.

I agree that he makes more bad decisions, but I think that's because he's put in situations where he HAS to make something happen. To be fair, I think last season was Romo's worst by far, highlighted by several bad multiple int games.

Obviously we'll never know, but it's just my opinion that he'd be at least as good as Matt in our offense.

ATXtexanfan
09-08-2013, 07:35 PM
Because along with all that, he makes more mistakes than Matt. It's possible that Romo wouldn't make as many mistakes in our offense, because it is so QB friendly... but we don't know that.

He makes some bad decisions, I'd say more bad decisions than Matt.

How many mistakes would schaub make as cowboy qb? Being everything revolves around him over and over again.

thunderkyss
09-08-2013, 07:52 PM
How many mistakes would schaub make as cowboy qb? Being everything revolves around him over and over again.

I don't know, but I'd assume he'll make less mistakes than Romo.

I like Romo, but we can't say he's never had a good offensive line. There's been a time when he had the best OL. He's had 2 talented receivers, he had 2 talented RBs & he had one of the top defenses in the league... he got 1 play off victory.

Matt isn't as mobile as Romo & I personally prefer the more mobile, athletic "gunslinger" but maybe Matt is better at reading defenses & getting the ball out on time. Matt's got to have something that evens everything out, because he's done just about everything Romo has. When we didn't have a good offensive line, Matt was still throwing for 4,000 yards, without a run game, Matt still won 9 games.

The last two years we saw that Romo can't carry a team. It wouldn't matter if he what team he isn't carrying.

paycheck71
09-08-2013, 07:59 PM
I don't know, but I'd assume he'll make less mistakes than Romo.

I like Romo, but we can't say he's never had a good offensive line. There's been a time when he had the best OL. He's had 2 talented receivers, he had 2 talented RBs & he had one of the top defenses in the league... he got 1 play off victory.

Matt isn't as mobile as Romo & I personally prefer the more mobile, athletic "gunslinger" but maybe Matt is better at reading defenses & getting the ball out on time. Matt's got to have something that evens everything out, because he's done just about everything Romo has. When we didn't have a good offensive line, Matt was still throwing for 4,000 yards, without a run game, Matt still won 9 games.

The last two years we saw that Romo can't carry a team. It wouldn't matter if he what team he isn't carrying.

He also went 13-3 and 11-5 with those lines. Didn't do anything in the playoffs, but neither has Matt.

DocBar
09-08-2013, 11:37 PM
Schaub's only been in the playoffs once.That's part of the problem, not an excuse.

That's about right. Only disagreement IMHO Elite QBs are making $20 million, so $15 million for #10 is where it should be. Also Schaub has shown in the past that he doesn't fare all that well against the $20 million a year QBs. I've never seen 2 QB's go "head to head" outside of ironman football with players playing both offense and defense. Have you ever seen Brady or Manning defend a pass (other than press conferences) or make an interception? It's a team sport and QB's get way too much credit and way too much blame for W's and L's. And INT's, for that matter. A perfectly thrown ball that the receiver screws up on shows up as an INT the same as a poorly thrown pass.

I don't know too many Texans fans that think he's overrated, but I know many who bristle at the harping that used to go on about Schaub being underrated, particularly after his 4700 yard season.



Flacco has one stat over Schaub that we all want Schaub to have, and that's playoff wins. He has a bunch. I'm not a Flacco fan, and I actually hate when people ascribe wins and losses to the QB, but you have to admit that Flacco steps it up in the playoffs. If we can't have a team with an elite QB, then I want a complete team that at least has a QB that steps it up when it really counts. How many chances did the Texans have to win home field advantage last season? Three? More? They controlled their destiny throughout the last half of the season, and Schaub buckled under the pressure. Much of the rest of the team did as well, but we're talking QB here.



Winner! Move the ball between the 20s and settle for FGs way too often, especially against good teams. The stats don't impress me any longer. I honestly believe Kubiak could take several of the QBs rated below Schaub in this list and have them putting up similar stats in a year or two.I still can't blame Schaub for all of that. Kubiak is notorious for doing the turtle. His play calling can be blamed just as much as Schaub's play. This is kind of a "chicken/egg" thing, though. How would Kubiak call plays with a more athletic QB in similar situations? Looking back at Rosencopter might give a clue.

No, you are being unrealistic. Even a SB appearance every 7 years is a ridiculous standard.

Only Pittsburgh, Dallas and New England have averaged less than 7 years per appearance. You ain't never lyin'. I bet Dallas' time on this list is getting short. Even with 3 in the 90's.

DocBar
09-08-2013, 11:44 PM
There are 13 other teams that never won a SB, with several of them running a drought of over forty years.

It took the Cardinals 65 years just to get to the SB.
Since 1985, they only had 3 seasons with a winning record.
Fifteen of those seasons ended with 5 or fewer wins.

They had two "Perfect" 0-10 seasons, and five with just one (1) win to show for.
Their franchise record is 209 under the .500 mark.
They have never won the big prize since 1920.

How would you like to be one of their fans? LOL.It's actually 14 teams. 10 of those teams at least got to the Super Bowl. Some multiple times. It's kinda like the lottery....you damn sure won't if you never get in the game (or buy a ticket in the lottery). You can't win the big dance if you're not in the big dance.

TheMatrix31
09-09-2013, 04:14 AM
That's part of the problem, not an excuse.



Is red font sarcasm or something?

We've been to the playoffs twice in a row. Schaub was hurt the first year. He played in the second year.

Was he supposed to just go out and play on a busted foot the first year? I wish he did. He would have been miles better than TJ Yates and we would have beaten Baltimore with a semi-competent offense.

DocBar
09-09-2013, 07:13 AM
Is red font sarcasm or something?

We've been to the playoffs twice in a row. Schaub was hurt the first year. He played in the second year.

Was he supposed to just go out and play on a busted foot the first year? I wish he did. He would have been miles better than TJ Yates and we would have beaten Baltimore with a semi-competent offense.No, I meant to do all of my replies in red and screwed the pooch on that. Once I saw it, I did think it looked good and sarcastic, so I left it.

What I meant is that he's been the QB since '07 and we didn't make the playoffs til 2011. What about those other years? Oh yeah, he was hurt then too!!! :kitten:

2012Champs
09-09-2013, 08:34 AM
No, I meant to do all of my replies in red and screwed the pooch on that. Once I saw it, I did think it looked good and sarcastic, so I left it.

What I meant is that he's been the QB since '07 and we didn't make the playoffs til 2011. What about those other years? Oh yeah, he was hurt then too!!! :kitten:



Are you ignoring history or just using bits of history to spread the Schaub hate? Yeah Matt was the reason we didnt get to the playoffs until 2011

speedfreek
09-09-2013, 08:40 AM
So, if Matt goes out and craps the bed in all of the most important
games of the year this year (like he did last year) are you going
to continue to make excuses for him?

The guy totally blew against the Packers, Patriots (x2) and Vikings.
Beating up on a bunch of slap dicks doesn't do it for me..

I was a Schaub sunshine pumper for a few years, but now the guy
actually has to show me something..

TJ

Are you ignoring history or just using bits of history to spread the Schaub hate? Yeah Matt was the reason we didnt get to the playoffs until 2011

2012Champs
09-09-2013, 09:16 AM
So, if Matt goes out and craps the bed in all of the most important
games of the year this year (like he did last year) are you going
to continue to make excuses for him?

The guy totally blew against the Packers, Patriots (x2) and Vikings.
Beating up on a bunch of slap dicks doesn't do it for me..

I was a Schaub sunshine pumper for a few years, but now the guy
actually has to show me something..

TJ



GB 20/33 0 td 2 ints
pats 19/32 0 tds 1 int
pats II 34/51 2 tds 1 int
Min 18/32 0 td 0 int


Matt is not elite and the int numbers surely hurt but Id also not blame the guy for all the Texans shortcomings since he got here. He certainly isnt the reason we didnt make the playoffs before 2011 but Id say he was a large contributor to why we made it in back in 2011.


And for the love of god please use the quote function properly:vincepalm:

thunderkyss
09-09-2013, 09:41 AM
He also went 13-3 and 11-5 with those lines. Didn't do anything in the playoffs, but neither has Matt.

That's what I'm saying. The team we have around Matt right now is as good as those Cowboy teams they had around Tony back then. So far neither is showing to be any better than the other, only that Romo is more "entertaining"

thunderkyss
09-09-2013, 09:54 AM
So, if Matt goes out and craps the bed in all of the most important
games of the year this year (like he did last year) are you going
to continue to make excuses for him?


How do you define "all of the most important" ones?

We won the one that got us into the play offs... that was a pretty important one.

We won the one that got us the division... that was a pretty important one.

We won the one that allowed us to advance in the play offs... pretty important one & we won it.

We did not win the one that would give us Homefield through-out.... we lost that one 3 times. So I guess Matt was 50/50


The guy totally blew against the Packers, Patriots (x2) and Vikings.
Beating up on a bunch of slap dicks doesn't do it for me..


Is this a second point, or are these the "important ones" you were talking about? He didn't play well against the Packers & he didn't play well against the Pats in the regular season.... but remove the hate, he was as good as his average in the second game. Not his best game ever, but better than the first time. At the very least you can say he did his part. We need Matt to step up, we needed Arian to step up, we needed the OL to step up, we needed the Defense (OLBs & DBs) to step up..... all we got was Jj Watt. If any one of those groups went bananas... Schaub, the OL, Arian, the OLBs, the DBs... it would have been a totally different game, any one of them


I was a Schaub sunshine pumper for a few years, but now the guy
actually has to show me something..

TJ

Nothing wrong with that, but no reason to say he is anything other than what he is, one of the better starting QBs in the league & he has been for some time.

We beat the Ravens, we beat the Broncos, we beat the Bears (even though they turned out to not be so good, they were expected to be one of the power house teams until we took out their QB) who still won 10 games in 2012.

We didn't beat the Packers or the Patriots.... wah.

DX-TEX
09-09-2013, 10:03 AM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/3b13e29f044279cd11ecbd770cbe7069/tumblr_mg54liZvaa1qin7uco1_500.jpg

Matt and Arian are not amused at your lack of faith.

drs23
09-09-2013, 10:40 AM
And for the love of god please use the quote function properly:vincepalm:

I think you're :deadhorse there Champs. I've emailed the cat, even asked kindly and politely and he still refuses to use the quote function properly so now I just buzz right by his comments. Prolly time to add him to "the list".

infantrycak
09-09-2013, 10:53 AM
I think you're :deadhorse there Champs. I've emailed the cat, even asked kindly and politely and he still refuses to use the quote function properly so now I just buzz right by his comments. Prolly time to add him to "the list".

He clearly is purposefully doing it to be annoying as in addition to being repeatedly asked he is going through extra effort to have his posts be fu#$ed up.

DocBar
09-09-2013, 01:31 PM
Are you ignoring history or just using bits of history to spread the Schaub hate? Yeah Matt was the reason we didnt get to the playoffs until 2011I'm not spreading anything nor am I ignoring anything. I was merely making a sarcastic remark that I found humerous.

I don't hate Schaub. I also don't have a man-crush on him.

2012Champs
09-09-2013, 01:36 PM
I'm not spreading anything nor am I ignoring anything. I was merely making a sarcastic remark that I found humerous.



humorous? I enjoy like the lack on context when playing the blame game.

infantrycak
09-09-2013, 01:39 PM
I'm not spreading anything nor am I ignoring anything. I was merely making a sarcastic remark that I found humerous.

How do you sarcastically hit your funny bone?

I have to admit it might be humorous to see you try.

DocBar
09-09-2013, 01:46 PM
How do you sarcastically hit your funny bone?

I have to admit it might be humorous to see you try.Don't judge my spelling. I have a lot going on today.:aggressive:

TheMatrix31
09-09-2013, 02:04 PM
No, I meant to do all of my replies in red and screwed the pooch on that. Once I saw it, I did think it looked good and sarcastic, so I left it.

What I meant is that he's been the QB since '07 and we didn't make the playoffs til 2011. What about those other years? Oh yeah, he was hurt then too!!! :kitten:

This is completely asinine.

Yeah, Matt Schaub was playing on our historically bad defense in 2010 and Matt Schaub forced the Colts to bench Peyton Manning in the second half of Week 16 against the Jets in 2009 and also forced the Bengals to lay down and lose 37-0 in Week 17 against the Jets in 2009 thereby allowing the Jets to make the playoffs over us.

Ya makes sense bro.

thunderkyss
09-09-2013, 02:32 PM
This is completely asinine.

Yeah, Matt Schaub was playing on our historically bad defense in 2010

Guess how bad New England's & Green Bay's defense was in 2011 (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&tabSeq=2&season=2011&role=OPP&Submit=Go&archive=true&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&qualified=false). Hell look at the 2011 Giants & tell me how a historically bad defense will keep you out of the play-offs.

TheMatrix31
09-09-2013, 02:41 PM
Yeah let me know when people's expected Matt Schaub-to-Aaron Rodgers-or-Tom Brady transformation occurs, lol.

You take things that exist as fact and sprinkle in circumstance and you get what's happened. Not every situation is the same so you can't say "Well, a team quarterbacked by Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers and Eli Manning made the playoffs with really bad defenses, why can't we?!" It's just stupidity. BTW, the Giants won their DIVISION at 9-7 in 2011, and if you'll recall, they clinched it in Week 17.

Look, it's pointless to talk about all this crap. It's always a trap with you people. Matt Schaub is our starting ****ing quarterback in 2013 and he will be unless he gets hurt. Be gracious for what you have in this league. Schaub is, at WORST, a Top 15 quarterback (as in, in the top half) in this league.

Guys act like we've got John ****in' Skelton out there. Get some goddamned perspective.

ChampionTexan
09-09-2013, 02:46 PM
Guess how bad New England's & Green Bay's defense was in 2011 (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&tabSeq=2&season=2011&role=OPP&Submit=Go&archive=true&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&qualified=false). Hell look at the 2011 Giants & tell me how a historically bad defense will keep you out of the play-offs.

Well, for all the bad things you want to say about those defenses, they generated turnovers, and were middle of the road in points given up (well, GB and NE anyway).

If you look at the net turnovers in 2011, NE and GB were 2nd and 3rd in the NFL, primarily on the strength of being 1st (GB), and tied for 2nd (NE) in interceptions. The Giants were also in the top 10.

thunderkyss
09-09-2013, 03:09 PM
Yeah let me know when people's expected Matt Schaub-to-Aaron Rodgers-or-Tom Brady transformation occurs, lol.


Well let's not use a bad defense as a reason why Matt wasn't in the play-offs prior to 2012. I don't remember the number, but we lost several games in 2010 by less than 7 with the offense on the field.

May have been more with the defense on the field, but still. We lost several with the offense on the field.

TheMatrix31
09-09-2013, 03:18 PM
Well let's not use a bad defense as a reason why Matt wasn't in the play-offs prior to 2012. I don't remember the number, but we lost several games in 2010 by less than 7 with the offense on the field.

May have been more with the defense on the field, but still. We lost several with the offense on the field.

Oh like in 2010 when we were 4-3 going into the game against San Diego and we were outscored 15-3 in the second half and Andre Johnson could have scored a touchdown to win the game but the ball went through his hands and off his knee and San Diego intercepted it to end the game and put us at 4-4?

Or like the game after that against Jacksonville where Owen Daniels put the ball on the ground and then Glover Quin batted the ball into the hands of the Jacksonville WR on the appropriately-named "Fail Mary" to end the game and put us at 4-5?

Or like the game after that against the Jets where we were down 23-7 and we came back and Matt Schaub helped drive us down the field late to take the lead only for the defense to let Mark ****ing Sanchez drive the length of the field with 50 seconds left to score a touchdown, take the lead, and end the game to put us at 4-6?

We could have been 7-3 but we ended up 4-6 after that stretch. Those three games derailed the living **** out of our season, and none of them were Matt Schaub's fault. Not to mention the games against Philadelphia and Denver later where we also had leads only to have our defense blow them. Hell, even a game that people who love to criticize Schaub for, Baltimore on Monday Night, was only in overtime because of Schaub leading the team back into the game. But I'm sure you and others will focus on the blind mistake in overtime to end it.

This is what I meant earlier. Sports fans are so predisposed to looking at things and throwing out blanket garbage to analyze it. Everything is circumstantial. Everything has a story. I'm the first to blame Schaub when he deserves it. Hell, I've ****ing coined "Schaub's ****ty Throw of the Game." Really though, this **** is out of hand.

DX-TEX
09-09-2013, 03:32 PM
TheMatrix31 throwing truth bombs all up in here!

2012Champs
09-09-2013, 03:35 PM
Oh like in 2010 when we were 4-3 going into the game against San Diego and we were outscored 15-3 in the second half and Andre Johnson could have scored a touchdown to win the game but the ball went through his hands and off his knee and San Diego intercepted it to end the game and put us at 4-4?

Or like the game after that against Jacksonville where Owen Daniels put the ball on the ground and then Glover Quin batted the ball into the hands of the Jacksonville WR on the appropriately-named "Fail Mary" to end the game and put us at 4-5?

Or like the game after that against the Jets where we were down 23-7 and we came back and Matt Schaub helped drive us down the field late to take the lead only for the defense to let Mark ****ing Sanchez drive the length of the field with 50 seconds left to score a touchdown, take the lead, and end the game to put us at 4-6?

We could have been 7-3 but we ended up 4-6 after that stretch. Those three games derailed the living **** out of our season, and none of them were Matt Schaub's fault. Not to mention the games against Philadelphia and Denver later where we also had leads only to have our defense blow them. Hell, even a game that people who love to criticize Schaub for, Baltimore on Monday Night, was only in overtime because of Schaub leading the team back into the game. But I'm sure you and others will focus on the blind mistake in overtime to end it.

This is what I meant earlier. Sports fans are so predisposed to looking at things and throwing out blanket garbage to analyze it. Everything is circumstantial. Everything has a story. I'm the first to blame Schaub when he deserves it. Hell, I've ****ing coined "Schaub's ****ty Throw of the Game." Really though, this **** is out of hand.


Its nice when you connect while swinging for the fences

ObsiWan
09-09-2013, 04:13 PM
Oh like in 2010 when we were 4-3 going into the game against San Diego and we were outscored 15-3 in the second half and Andre Johnson could have scored a touchdown to win the game but the ball went through his hands and off his knee and San Diego intercepted it to end the game and put us at 4-4?

Or like the game after that against Jacksonville where Owen Daniels put the ball on the ground and then Glover Quin batted the ball into the hands of the Jacksonville WR on the appropriately-named "Fail Mary" to end the game and put us at 4-5?

Or like the game after that against the Jets where we were down 23-7 and we came back and Matt Schaub helped drive us down the field late to take the lead only for the defense to let Mark ****ing Sanchez drive the length of the field with 50 seconds left to score a touchdown, take the lead, and end the game to put us at 4-6?

We could have been 7-3 but we ended up 4-6 after that stretch. Those three games derailed the living **** out of our season, and none of them were Matt Schaub's fault. Not to mention the games against Philadelphia and Denver later where we also had leads only to have our defense blow them. Hell, even a game that people who love to criticize Schaub for, Baltimore on Monday Night, was only in overtime because of Schaub leading the team back into the game. But I'm sure you and others will focus on the blind mistake in overtime to end it.

This is what I meant earlier. Sports fans are so predisposed to looking at things and throwing out blanket garbage to analyze it. Everything is circumstantial. Everything has a story. I'm the first to blame Schaub when he deserves it. Hell, I've ****ing coined "Schaub's ****ty Throw of the Game." Really though, this **** is out of hand.

QFT!
repped

Exascor
09-09-2013, 04:28 PM
Oh like in 2010 when we were 4-3 going into the game against San Diego and we were outscored 15-3 in the second half and Andre Johnson could have scored a touchdown to win the game but the ball went through his hands and off his knee and San Diego intercepted it to end the game and put us at 4-4?

Or like the game after that against Jacksonville where Owen Daniels put the ball on the ground and then Glover Quin batted the ball into the hands of the Jacksonville WR on the appropriately-named "Fail Mary" to end the game and put us at 4-5?

Or like the game after that against the Jets where we were down 23-7 and we came back and Matt Schaub helped drive us down the field late to take the lead only for the defense to let Mark ****ing Sanchez drive the length of the field with 50 seconds left to score a touchdown, take the lead, and end the game to put us at 4-6?

We could have been 7-3 but we ended up 4-6 after that stretch. Those three games derailed the living **** out of our season, and none of them were Matt Schaub's fault. Not to mention the games against Philadelphia and Denver later where we also had leads only to have our defense blow them. Hell, even a game that people who love to criticize Schaub for, Baltimore on Monday Night, was only in overtime because of Schaub leading the team back into the game. But I'm sure you and others will focus on the blind mistake in overtime to end it.

This is what I meant earlier. Sports fans are so predisposed to looking at things and throwing out blanket garbage to analyze it. Everything is circumstantial. Everything has a story. I'm the first to blame Schaub when he deserves it. Hell, I've ****ing coined "Schaub's ****ty Throw of the Game." Really though, this **** is out of hand.Wow!

thunderkyss
09-09-2013, 04:33 PM
This is what I meant earlier. Sports fans are so predisposed to looking at things and throwing out blanket garbage to analyze it. Everything is circumstantial. Everything has a story. I'm the first to blame Schaub when he deserves it. Hell, I've ****ing coined "Schaub's ****ty Throw of the Game." Really though, this **** is out of hand.

Slow your roll... all I said, was that we shouldn't blame the defense for all those losses. You listed 4 that weren't "all" on the defense. We'd have been 10-6 with just those 4.

Your post proved my point. I didn't say anything about it being Schaub's fault.

drs23
09-09-2013, 05:12 PM
Or like the game after that against the Jets where we were down 23-7 and we came back and Matt Schaub helped drive us down the field late to take the lead only for the defense to let Mark ****ing Sanchez drive the length of the field with 50 seconds left to score a touchdown, take the lead, and end the game to put us at 4-6?

Great post but you're giving former Sanchize too much credit, it was 53 seconds! :D

But still, that bastid and that defenseless team.

Matt almost carried the team that day, Gary called a hell of a 4&5 wide set game to get us back in it. But alas, we were Bush'ed. Again.

DocBar
09-09-2013, 06:03 PM
This is completely asinine.

Yeah, Matt Schaub was playing on our historically bad defense in 2010 and Matt Schaub forced the Colts to bench Peyton Manning in the second half of Week 16 against the Jets in 2009 and also forced the Bengals to lay down and lose 37-0 in Week 17 against the Jets in 2009 thereby allowing the Jets to make the playoffs over us.

Ya makes sense bro.One more time...I was just making a joke. Everyone is all uptight. I'll be glad when the game starts and everyone can relax a little.

Sorry you didn't get the joke.:peek:

drs23
09-09-2013, 06:42 PM
One more time...I was just making a joke. Everyone is all uptight. I'll be glad when the game starts and everyone can relax a little.

C'mon Doc, you really think that'll do the trick? Wait 'till tomorrow? Hide-N-Watch!

DocBar
09-09-2013, 07:04 PM
C'mon Doc, you really think that'll do the trick? Wait 'till tomorrow? Hide-N-Watch!It'll be all peaches & cream and kumbaya tomorrow after a good win.

drs23
09-09-2013, 07:11 PM
It'll be all peaches & cream and kumbaya tomorrow after a good win.

I'm good with that. Carry on...

DocBar
09-09-2013, 07:32 PM
I'm good with that. Carry on... For some reason that made me think of Radar on M*A*S*H. I got a laugh and now I need a grape Nehi.

TheMatrix31
09-10-2013, 12:45 AM
Put that game on Schaub's resume.

hradhak
09-10-2013, 01:15 AM
I have to say that Schaub looked really really good tonight. He was more mobile than I've ever seen him and he made some great throws on the run.
There were several plays that would have been incompletions / sacks last year that were first downs and more this game.

Here's to hoping he can move like he has been. God knows if they offensive line doesn't block better he'll have to be moving a lot.

DocBar
09-10-2013, 01:20 AM
I have to say that Schaub looked really really good tonight. He was more mobile than I've ever seen him and he made some great throws on the run.
There were several plays that would have been incompletions / sacks last year that were first downs and more this game.

Here's to hoping he can move like he has been. God knows if they offensive line doesn't block better he'll have to be moving a lot.Schaub was more mobile but don't get carried away. He made a few nice moves but didn't look like we're going to have the wild pistol anytime soon.

thunderkyss
09-10-2013, 06:58 AM
Schaub was more mobile but don't get carried away. He made a few nice moves but didn't look like we're going to have the wild pistol anytime soon.

Oh schnap!!!
:firehair:

No wild pistol?
:panic:

What ever will we do??? How can we expect to win another game..... WhY? Why? Why??
:francis:

speedfreek
09-10-2013, 07:15 AM
I want to see this out of Matt all year. One of his bugaboos
is inconsistency.

If he comes out against the Oilers and throws 3 ints then all
of these good vibes go down the toilet.

TJ

El Tejano
09-10-2013, 10:11 AM
There are two things I've always had a problem with Schaub....he doesn't make an athletic play like run for some yardage to extend drives, drain clock, and create manageable 2nd or 3rd downs and he seems to have a mandatory interception that he absolutely must throw in a game no matter how well he is playing.

Last night, he threw the mandatory INT early to get it over with as apposed to previous seasons 4th quarter mandatory pick. He also moved a bit and made Dwight Freeney chase him a bit and he threw at the numbers of his receivers and not at their shoe laces while on the run.

Good game #8

ObsiWan
09-11-2013, 07:30 PM
Oh schnap!!!
:firehair:

No wild pistol?
:panic:

What ever will we do??? How can we expect to win another game..... WhY? Why? Why??
:francis:

Makes
Me
Wanna
Scream

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/articles/61000/michael-jacksons-scream_61452_top.jpg?cache=1277140635

gafftop
10-06-2013, 05:52 PM
For all intents & purposes, Romo & Schaub are the same guy. Romo is more exciting to watch, but he needs a really good team to make anything happen. They had a defense & a running game a while back & they turned that into 1 play off win. With Romo being the "reason" they didn't win that divisional game.

That Dallas team was every bit as good & talented as the team we had last year & the year before. Swapping Schaub for Romo is trading half a dozen for six. It sounds better, but it's really the same thing.

TK,
Do you feel the same way? I would take Romo over MS any day, not even close.

thunderkyss
10-06-2013, 06:17 PM
TK,
Do you feel the same way? I would take Romo over MS any day, not even close.

Yes, I feel exactly the same way.

You're seeing Romo make some plays, but he's got play-makers doing their job as well.

#83, #11, #89.... I don't know those guys, but when they needed a play, those guys made plays. If we can get that kind of production out of Martin, Griffin, & Jean we'd be pretty hard to beat.

Another thing. This game isn't over, but odds are pretty good that Romo is going to do something between now & the end of the game that will help the Broncos, more so than Manning messing up.

Especially if they keep throwing the ball. Best thing for Dallas would be to get a 3 & out, then run the ball & kill the clock. I know most people here would say they need to score another TD, they need to stay aggressive & throw the ball. But we're talking about Romo & the closer he gets to 50 attempts, helps the Broncos.

gafftop
10-06-2013, 06:30 PM
Yes, I feel exactly the same way.

You're seeing Romo make some plays, but he's got play-makers doing their job as well.

#83, #11, #89.... I don't know those guys, but when they needed a play, those guys made plays. If we can get that kind of production out of Martin, Griffin, & Jean we'd be pretty hard to beat.

Another thing. This game isn't over, but odds are pretty good that Romo is going to do something between now & the end of the game that will help the Broncos, more so than Manning messing up.

Especially if they keep throwing the ball. Best thing for Dallas would be to get a 3 & out, then run the ball & kill the clock. I know most people here would say they need to score another TD, they need to stay aggressive & throw the ball. But we're talking about Romo & the closer he gets to 50 attempts, helps the Broncos.

I agree they both make mistakes but at least Romo has mobility and can throw a long ball

thunderkyss
10-06-2013, 06:33 PM
I agree they both make mistakes but at least Romo has mobility and can throw a long ball

Looks better, results the same. Doesn't matter if you lose by 3 in a 52-48 shootout, or 41 in a 52-11 blow out.


six in one hand, half a dozen in the other.

hradhak
10-06-2013, 07:10 PM
Looks better, results the same. Doesn't matter if you lose by 3 in a 52-48 shootout, or 41 in a 52-11 blow out.


six in one hand, half a dozen in the other.

I was pretty surprised at how porous Denver's defense is. Romo was throwing to WIDE open receivers for most of the games. Denver's offense however is able to make up for it pretty well.

I'd be interested to see how our defense holds up against their offense. Even with a great game on both sides of the ball, I don't see us beating the Ponies

thunderkyss
10-06-2013, 07:17 PM
I was pretty surprised at how porous Denver's defense is. Romo was throwing to WIDE open receivers for most of the games. Denver's offense however is able to make up for it pretty well.

I'd be interested to see how our defense holds up against their offense. Even with a great game on both sides of the ball, I don't see us beating the Ponies

Can't wait to see what they look like against a real defense. Doesn't look like their first test will be until week 11 when they play KC. They'll play KC twice, the Titans, & us. So they'll eventually be tested.

gafftop
10-06-2013, 09:00 PM
Looks better, results the same. Doesn't matter if you lose by 3 in a 52-48 shootout, or 41 in a 52-11 blow out.


six in one hand, half a dozen in the other.

I will still take Romo over Schaub.

Rey
10-06-2013, 09:03 PM
I will still take Romo over Schaub.

No contest.

I'd take him all day every day.

thunderkyss
10-06-2013, 09:32 PM
We'd just have something else to complain about our QB. Not conservative enough.

gafftop
10-06-2013, 10:04 PM
TK,
You are just a rebel rouser.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Dread-Head
10-07-2013, 02:15 PM
What's his rank after Frisco? 37 out of 32?

PapaL
10-07-2013, 02:16 PM
What's his rank after Frisco? 37 out of 32?

-6 would be my assumption.

drs23
10-07-2013, 07:37 PM
-6 would be my assumption.

What, no credit for the PAT?

That seems discriminatory. :kitten:

mussop
10-07-2013, 09:33 PM
I'm not going to say it's the sole reason for redzone mediocrity, but we hardly ever throw the corner fade. Teams run it multiple times and one game. We run it a couple few times a year.

The play is almost unstoppable if thrown correctly.

This drives me crazy. With AJ that shoud be an automatic call.

Playoffs
10-07-2013, 11:20 PM
What's his rank after Frisco? 37 out of 32?

PFF rates Schaub as the 30th out of 33 QBs (>25% team snaps) after week 5, excluding tonight's game.

Schaub's -8.9 rating for Week 5 is the 2nd worst I've seen in a cursory glance through the ratings. Brandon Weeden completed 12/35 for 118 yards with 4 INTs with a QB Rating(old) of 5.1 in his first NFL start and received a -9.4.

DocBar
10-07-2013, 11:24 PM
-6 would be my assumption.If Schaub were holding for PAT's and FG's, I'd guarantee a pick 6 on a FG at some point.

handswarmer
10-08-2013, 09:13 AM
I've never been a fan of Flacco. Up until last year's playoff run, he always folded under pressure. And that's how we beat them last year, we hit him a couple of times and he played scared from that point on.

But he didn't do that in the post-season. So maybe he's turned a corner.

But from a statistical standpoint, Schaub is a step up from Flacco.

Flacco has never thrown for over 3900 yards in a season. Schaub? 3 out of the last 4 seasons, he's thrown for over 4000 yards and every season Schaub has played a whole season for the Texans, he's thrown over 4000 yards.

In 5 years, Flacco has broken a 90 QB rating 1 time and that was a 93.6 back in 2010. Last year, he had an 87.7. Schaub? With the Texans, he's been below 90 1 time (an 87.2 in 2007). His best was a 98.6 back in 2009 and last year he had a 90.7... one of his worst QB rating years with the Texans. Over his career, Flacco gets about 7.1 yards per attempt and Schaub over his career with the Texans gets about 7.8 yards per attempt.

Fantasy Football stats. Most important stat is "W" and "L"...


What are the playoff stats?

thunderkyss
10-08-2013, 05:16 PM
Fantasy Football stats. Most important stat is "W" and "L"...


What are the playoff stats?

So, are you arguing that Joe Flacco is elite?