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Lurvinator11
09-03-2013, 05:03 PM
Reports on Twitter are saying Cush has agreed to a long term extension.

YESSSS!!!!

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 2m
ILB Brian Cushing has reached an agreement on a long-term contract extension with the Texans.

Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26 2m
ILB Brian Cushing reaches an agreement on an extension with the Texans. He was in the final year of his contract.

Lurvinator11
09-03-2013, 05:04 PM
adam schefter ‏@adamschefter 18s
texans lb brian cushing is going to sign a 6 year extension today.

boom!!!

htowntexans1985
09-03-2013, 05:05 PM
Adam Schefter @ AdamSchefter
Texans LB Brian Cushing is going to sign
a 6 year extension today.


Would have liked to at least go half way to the season to see how his ACL reacts. But anyway, good move.

Lurvinator11
09-03-2013, 05:06 PM
Adam Schefter @ AdamSchefter
Texans LB Brian Cushing is going to sign
a 6 year extension today.


Would have liked to at least go half way to the season to see how his ACL reacts. But anyway, good move.

I'm happy we got him before he had a comeback season. He would have then commanded much more money. Plus Cushing is the leader of this defense. Great move.

thunderkyss
09-03-2013, 05:06 PM
Bye Wade.

Wade Smith that is.

Lurvinator11
09-03-2013, 05:08 PM
Cushing gets 6 years.

Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26 3m
Texans ILB Brian Cushing gets a six-year extension.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 5m
The #Texans have reached a long-term extension with LB Brian Cushing, source says.

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 3m
Cushing has signed a six-year extension.

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli 2m
Confirmed: The #Texans have reached a long-term contract extension for ILB Brian Cushing.

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli 2m
It's a six-year extension for Cushing. #Texans

Carr Bombed
09-03-2013, 05:08 PM
Adam Schefter @ AdamSchefter
Texans LB Brian Cushing is going to sign
a 6 year extension today.


Would have liked to at least go half way to the season to see how his ACL reacts. But anyway, good move.

I wouldn't, it's not like these contracts are guaranteed. Texans hold all of the leverage before Cushing proves he's still a BAMF. :)


Next on the list... lock up Watt!

htowntexans1985
09-03-2013, 05:10 PM
I wouldn't, it's not like these contracts are guaranteed. Texans hold all of the leverage before Cushing proves he's still a BAMF. :)


Next on the list... lock up Watt!

True. Watt will break the bank!! 100 million plus with around 50 guaranteed!!! :swatter:

MistaRed
09-03-2013, 05:11 PM
Andre restructured his contract.

Lurvinator11
09-03-2013, 05:12 PM
Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26 1m
Texans restructure Andre Johnson contract4 2013. Was 2make $10.5M n salary. Now Johnson will make $5 million n salary w/ $5.5 million bonus

P. Schrager ‏@PSchrags 1m
Spoke to JJ Watt recently. Asked him why this team is any better than the 2012 one. Looked at me like I was crazy. One word. "Cushing".

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 42s
Texans wanted to get Cushing done cause GM Rick Smith has a policy against contract negotiations during regular season.

Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley 2m
Cushing extension is A Big Deal. #Texans don't like in-season contract negotiations. Have done them right before season w/ a number of guys.

Rick Smith getting work done.

htowntexans1985
09-03-2013, 05:12 PM
Repost*

houstonspartan
09-03-2013, 05:13 PM
I wouldn't, it's not like these contracts are guaranteed. Texans hold all of the leverage before Cushing proves he's still a BAMF. :)


Next on the list... lock up Watt!

Lol. Even if we wanted to lock up JJ, no way would his agents agree to an extension at this point. JJ's next contract is going to be so massive our great grandkids will be paying the bills.

As for Cushing...meh. We will see.

IDEXAN
09-03-2013, 05:13 PM
That's a surprise, I would have thought they'd want to see much more from Brian before inking a new deal, I got to think they (the Texans) got him at a discount because they are assuming considerable risk here. We will wait and see what the actual numbers are ?

Playoffs
09-03-2013, 05:16 PM
Rick has been pressing to get this done before the season started, as his policy is no contract negotiations during the season. Glad it worked out.

thunderkyss
09-03-2013, 05:16 PM
Lol. Even if we wanted to lock up JJ, no way would his agents agree to an extension at this point. JJ's next contract is going to be so massive our great grandkids will be paying the bills.

As for Cushing...meh. We will see.

Good thing the agent works for Watt, & not the other way around.

badboy
09-03-2013, 05:23 PM
This tells me that Texans are ok with Cushing' health & his possible productivity this season far outweighs risks he may not heal and be the Cushing of old. I think I'd have waited a bit longer but if they are convinced it is great to lock him in. Now if Mays or Sharpton or both can have good season another concern of mine is eliminated.

houstonspartan
09-03-2013, 05:26 PM
Good thing the agent works for Watt, & not the other way around.

Uh, either way, it doesn't matter.

Watt is not stupid. He knows how the game works. Even he knows that he'll likely command more money if he waits another year or two to re-do his contract. Other teams would sell everything they owned to get a JJ Watt. Don't think he doesn't know what.

Don't let his "aw shucks" public face fool you. Despite his "nice guy" demeanor, he's shrewd and calculating.

eriadoc
09-03-2013, 05:27 PM
Glad to see this. I have my doubts as to how long it'll take Cushing to get back to form, but I have no doubts that he'll get there.

False Start
09-03-2013, 05:29 PM
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thunderkyss
09-03-2013, 05:32 PM
Uh, either way, it doesn't matter.

Watt is not stupid. He knows how the game works. Even he knows that he'll likely command more money if he waits another year or two to re-do his contract. Other teams would sell everything they owned to get a JJ Watt. Don't think he doesn't know what.

Don't let his "aw shucks" public face fool you. Despite his "nice guy" demeanor, he's shrewd and calculating.

There's no guarantee that Watt will have another season anywhere close to what he had in 2012. There's also a big chance that he'll get some kind of injury that will prevent him from ever doing so again....... just getting one year older may hurt his chances.

If the Texans were to offer him an extension today that he felt was fair he'd be silly not to take it.

Tomorrow is guaranteed to no one.

EllisUnit
09-03-2013, 05:34 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9631514/brian-cushing-signs-6-year-extension-houston-texans-source

Thorn
09-03-2013, 05:39 PM
If you don't sign him, and he injures himself again, he won't be worth breaking the bank for by another team, so he can be signed again without a lot of trouble. However, if he stays healthy, the defense is instantly better with just his mere presence on the field. I'd take the chance and sign him before I know. Uncle Rick did a fine thing here. I'm becoming quite the Rick Smith fan.

Double Barrel
09-03-2013, 05:39 PM
That's a surprise, I would have thought they'd want to see much more from Brian before inking a new deal, I got to think they (the Texans) got him at a discount because they are assuming considerable risk here. We will wait and see what the actual numbers are ?

Didn't they pretty much do the same for Schaub last year? Extend before the knew how his injury would impact the entire season?

I think this is a good move. It tells the team where the FO's priorities are by signing a proven defensive leader before he had to prove himself.

Carr Bombed
09-03-2013, 05:41 PM
Just to clarify.. when I said "next on list, lock up Watt". I wasn't referring to locking him up "this offseason". That isn't going to happen as we don't have the cap dollars and we don't need to lock him up right now. I was just saying that he's the next core player (and you can only afford so many) that needs to be locked up, whenever it may happen.

bOODRO87
09-03-2013, 05:43 PM
Well, Tate won't be coming back but Wood should make that an easier transition. Good job, Rick.

HJam72
09-03-2013, 05:43 PM
Nobody anywhere can "lock up" Watt; you just offer him a hand and hope he takes it. :handshake:

cstyle42
09-03-2013, 05:44 PM
Didn't they pretty much do the same for Schaub last year? Extend before the knew how his injury would impact the entire season?

I think this is a good move. It tells the team where the FO's priorities are by signing a proven defensive leader before he had to prove himself.

Yeah guys like Arian Foster and Duane Brown ironically did. JJ Watt had a huge year as we know but once he has another big year he will have proved himself worth what his contract will be.

houstonspartan
09-03-2013, 05:51 PM
There's no guarantee that Watt will have another season anywhere close to what he had in 2012. There's also a big chance that he'll get some kind of injury that will prevent him from ever doing so again....... just getting one year older may hurt his chances.

If the Texans were to offer him an extension today that he felt was fair he'd be silly not to take it.

Tomorrow is guaranteed to no one.

Sigh. Here we go. You're being argumentative just for the sake of being argumentative.

Correct, tomorrow is promised to no one. Correct, he could get injured. Correct, just getting once year older can hurt him (though I doubt it, in his case).

But that's the roll of the dice you take, both as a player, and as a franchise. If the Texans DID offer him an extension, he'd be foolish TO take it at this point, in my opinion.

DX-TEX
09-03-2013, 05:55 PM
Sigh. Here we go. You're being argumentative just for the sake of being argumentative.

Correct, tomorrow is promised to no one. Correct, he could get injured. Correct, just getting once year older can hurt him (though I doubt it, in his case).

But that's the roll of the dice you take, both as a player, and as a franchise. If the Texans DID offer him an extension, he'd be foolish TO take it at this point, in my opinion.

Point is moot. Under new CBA rookie contracts can not be extended until after the 3rd year is complete.

houstonspartan
09-03-2013, 05:56 PM
Point is moot. Under new CBA rookie contracts can not be extended until after the 3rd year is complete.

Yep. I was just about to edit my comment to include that. Thanks.

Playoffs
09-03-2013, 05:56 PM
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
Cushing's extension is for six years, thru 2019, and worth $55.643 million, with $21 million guaranteed.

Lurvinator11
09-03-2013, 05:57 PM
Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26 55s
The 6-year extension Brian Cushing gets from the Texans includes $21 million guaranteed & is worth $55.6 million.

55. 6 mill

TheMatrix31
09-03-2013, 05:57 PM
**** yes **** yes **** yes

MistaRed
09-03-2013, 05:58 PM
So next dinner is on Cushing? Congrats Cush!

DX-TEX
09-03-2013, 06:00 PM
Contract overall worth higher than Willis but guaranteed is $8 million less than Willis. make up some of that with no state income tax.

Texian
09-03-2013, 06:08 PM
Point is moot. Under new CBA rookie contracts can not be extended until after the 3rd year is complete.

ding...ding...ding...We have a WINNER!!!!!

Nawzer
09-03-2013, 06:12 PM
Only time will tell whether or no this was good decision. I hope we have a healthy Cushing through the season.

houstonspartan
09-03-2013, 06:13 PM
matt scchaub injured for the whole year...

gets contract extension before playing another regular season game.

cushing injured for the whole year...

gets contract extension before playing another regular season game.

ed reed gets hip surgery...

gets offered a free agent contract.

Im surprised we didnt sign greg oden.

Actually, Reed's contract really didn't break the bank all that much. It was structured pretty favorably towards the Texans, if I recall. If I'm wrong, someone correct me. I don't remember the details of Reed's numbers.

DX-TEX
09-03-2013, 06:13 PM
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 8m
Text from a pumped @briancushing56: "Couldn't be happier, I'm with a team and organization I love. Wouldn't want to be anywhere else."

JJ Watt ‏@JJWatt 1m
Congratulations @briancushing56 on the new deal. Scratch our conversation from today, I think we'll let you cover the dinner bill on Friday.

:swatter:

DX-TEX
09-03-2013, 06:19 PM
Was worried if Cush got to free agency Jerrah would make a run at him. He was a life long Cowboys fan. odd being from Jersey but I remember him saying that.

Carr Bombed
09-03-2013, 06:20 PM
matt scchaub injured for the whole year...

gets contract extension before playing another regular season game.

cushing injured for the whole year...

gets contract extension before playing another regular season game.

ed reed gets hip surgery...

gets offered a free agent contract.

Im surprised we didnt sign greg oden.

Can Greg Oden play football and is willing to sign a non guaranteed contract (unlike what they have in the NBA)?.. If he can and is, sign him up?

DRP
09-03-2013, 06:21 PM
I like the decision of doing the extension before the season

Jackie Chiles
09-03-2013, 06:23 PM
matt scchaub injured for the whole year...

gets contract extension before playing another regular season game.

cushing injured for the whole year...

gets contract extension before playing another regular season game.

ed reed gets hip surgery...

gets offered a free agent contract.

Im surprised we didnt sign greg oden.

I can already tell it is going to be an absolute joy to read all of your posts. Try to keep your optimism reigned in though.

cland
09-03-2013, 06:46 PM
Nice all around signing, he's averaging 9.16M per year based on the contract numbers reported. 9 this year is high, but 9 in 2016-2018 will be low granted that the NFL keeps increasing revenue at %20.

infantrycak
09-03-2013, 07:21 PM
matt scchaub injured for the whole year...

gets contract extension before playing another regular season game.

In alternate reality universe maybe. Here it was after the 1st game.

Schaub threw for 266 yards and one touchdown during Houston's win in the type of quietly effective performance for which he has become known. And then Schaub celebrated the win in the best way possible -- with a pile of cash.

Link (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000060023/article/matt-schaub-signs-houston-texans-contract-extension)

SAMURAITEXAN
09-03-2013, 07:32 PM
Great!

texan279
09-03-2013, 07:39 PM
Uh, either way, it doesn't matter.

Watt is not stupid. He knows how the game works. Even he knows that he'll likely command more money if he waits another year or two to re-do his contract. Other teams would sell everything they owned to get a JJ Watt. Don't think he doesn't know what.

Don't let his "aw shucks" public face fool you. Despite his "nice guy" demeanor, he's shrewd and calculating.

Not trying to take this thread off topic, but you know Watt personally?

JRingo
09-03-2013, 08:20 PM
Yep. I was just about to edit my comment to include that. Thanks.

Yep. And you never know what motivates a man.

Uncle Rico
09-03-2013, 08:21 PM
Crazy as it may sound, Im somewhat indifferent. On the one hand its cool we have Cush locked up, but then the looking at it strictly as a football/business move Im not so sure I like the trend of just handing out a bunch of money after injury. Could it be a "sorry you got hurt for us, here's some money" situation? Sometimes I just wonder why the team doesn't employ the franchise tag more often, and show a little patience when a player comes back from major surgery.

Im hoping Cush shuts me up and dominates, but the weird voice in my head is asking me "what if he gets hurt again, or never fully recovers"?

Oh well, Dance with who brung ya!

thunderkyss
09-03-2013, 08:28 PM
Point is moot. Under new CBA rookie contracts can not be extended until after the 3rd year is complete.

Didn't know that. Thanks.

PHILLYTEXANFAN
09-03-2013, 08:32 PM
Kareem will be next negotiation. If J-Jo repeats his average play i believe he will be gone, along with Manning

thunderkyss
09-03-2013, 08:32 PM
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 8m
Text from a pumped @briancushing56: "Couldn't be happier, I'm with a team and organization I love. Wouldn't want to be anywhere else.":swatter:


Cool dude.



For a yank.

PapaL
09-03-2013, 09:18 PM
*Disregard - Found the info I was looking for*

IDEXAN
09-03-2013, 09:43 PM
Cowboys signed MLB Sean Lee to a six-year, $42 million extension through 2019.The deal includes $16.1 million guaranteed with a max value of $51 million via incentives. Lee was entering the final year of his rookie deal. Lee flashed All-Pro ability early last season, but missed the final 10 games with a toe injury. He has a lengthy injury history going back to 2008, where Lee tore his ACL at Penn State. He's already missed 13 games through three NFL seasons. It's a high-risk, high-reward gamble for Dallas. Letting Lee play out 2013 before extending or franchise tagging him probably would've been the most prudent course of action. Nevertheless, by owner Jerry Jones' standards, it's not an overpay. Aug 21 - 6:13 PMSource: Mike McCartney on Twitter
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It would seem that Dallas ILB Sean Lee is a very comparable player to Cushing with comparable circumstances as he too is coming off of an IR in 2012, and the terms of his new 6-year deal aren't that much different than Cushings..

b0ng
09-03-2013, 10:03 PM
Cowboys signed MLB Sean Lee to a six-year, $42 million extension through 2019.The deal includes $16.1 million guaranteed with a max value of $51 million via incentives. Lee was entering the final year of his rookie deal. Lee flashed All-Pro ability early last season, but missed the final 10 games with a toe injury. He has a lengthy injury history going back to 2008, where Lee tore his ACL at Penn State. He's already missed 13 games through three NFL seasons. It's a high-risk, high-reward gamble for Dallas. Letting Lee play out 2013 before extending or franchise tagging him probably would've been the most prudent course of action. Nevertheless, by owner Jerry Jones' standards, it's not an overpay. Aug 21 - 6:13 PMSource: Mike McCartney on Twitter
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It would seem that Dallas ILB Sean Lee is a very comparable player to Cushing with comparable circumstances as he too is coming off of an IR in 2012, and the terms of his new 6-year deal aren't that much different than Cushings..

Sean Lee is not as good as Brian Cushing

DocBar
09-03-2013, 10:09 PM
matt scchaub injured for the whole year...

gets contract extension before playing another regular season game.

cushing injured for the whole year...

gets contract extension before playing another regular season game.

ed reed gets hip surgery...

gets offered a free agent contract.

Im surprised we didnt sign greg oden.What, exactly, is your definition of "the whole year"? :smiliepalm:

Great signing for the team. Come on MNF!!!!!:fans:

thunderkyss
09-03-2013, 10:31 PM
Sean Lee is not as good as Brian Cushing

Yeah, that's why there's a dollar difference.

I think he's talking about signing an injured player to a long term deal after missing a substantial part of the previous year.

beerlover
09-03-2013, 10:38 PM
I don't remember Brian getting whacked all that hard he just got caught out of position. You know he rehabbed like no other, suffered absolutely no other wear & tear he should be fresh, ready to go.

Tremendous extension congrats & best wishes coming back to the team this season :fans:

Carr Bombed
09-03-2013, 10:49 PM
I don't remember Brian getting whacked all that hard he just got caught out of position. You know he rehabbed like no other, suffered absolutely no other wear & tear he should be fresh, ready to go.

Tremendous extension congrats & best wishes coming back to the team this season :fans:

Yeah and what I'll always remember is he still walked off the field. Even when he gets hurt he is still a BAMF. Chuck Norris checks under his bed for Cushing.

dalemurphy
09-03-2013, 11:20 PM
Watt can be franchise tagged twice before the salary gets out of hand. If they take care of the cap, and other players they need, the threat of a franchise tag should help get a reasonable mega deal done.

MEGA SWATT
09-03-2013, 11:28 PM
Awesome. Glad we locked up Brian Oden:mariopalm:

Seriously, Greg Oden hasn't suited up in 4 yrs........:mariopalm:




Brian Cushing - you 'da man!

dream_team
09-03-2013, 11:51 PM
Crazy as it may sound, Im somewhat indifferent. On the one hand its cool we have Cush locked up, but then the looking at it strictly as a football/business move Im not so sure I like the trend of just handing out a bunch of money after injury. Could it be a "sorry you got hurt for us, here's some money" situation? Sometimes I just wonder why the team doesn't employ the franchise tag more often, and show a little patience when a player comes back from major surgery.!

Doesn't tagging guys piss the players off, because they know they can make more money signing as a FA? So tagging a player may guarantee his services for one more season, at a relatively cheap price, but it hurts the chances of re-signing him after the season.

Also, didn't we learn anything from the Flacco situation? Waiting to extend a player could be a lot more expensive. So either way, signing too early or too late are both risky... All you can do is hope the right decision was made.

IDEXAN
09-04-2013, 08:07 AM
All in all, I'd say that Brian (and his agent) got the better end of this deal. See, he's got a history, well actually two (2) histories - injury & PED. And don't get all upset and say I'm a Cushing hater here, because I'm not, Brian is one of my 3 or 4 favorite players on the whole team.
Many including our resident medical expert here have said it's going to be towards the end of this year at the earliest before we really know if Cushing has fully recovered, and maybe not until next year. And maybe he won't ever return to that prior form of pre Oct, '12 ? If you watched his preseason play closely you can see he's not near there yet. Then there's the PED thing, or atleast concerns in that area by some ?
If you are businessmen like Bob McNair and his de facto chief financial officer Rick Smith, you don't run your operation wearing rose-colored glasses with a pollyanna mentality. You've got to be hard-nosed and shrewd to manage those cap bucks as well as the Denvers, & ATLs, & San Frans, etc if you want to get all the way to the top and win it all.

PapaL
09-04-2013, 09:10 AM
All in all, I'd say that Brian (and his agent) got the better end of this deal. See, he's got a history, well actually two (2) histories - injury & PED. And don't get all upset and say I'm a Cushing hater here, because I'm not, Brian is one of my 3 or 4 favorite players on the whole team.
Many including our resident medical expert here have said it's going to be towards the end of this year at the earliest before we really know if Cushing has fully recovered, and maybe not until next year. And maybe he won't ever return to that prior form of pre Oct, '12 ? If you watched his preseason play closely you can see he's not near there yet. Then there's the PED thing, or atleast concerns in that area by some ?
If you are businessmen like Bob McNair and his de facto chief financial officer Rick Smith, you don't run your operation wearing rose-colored glasses with a pollyanna mentality. You've got to be hard-nosed and shrewd to manage those cap bucks as well as the Denvers, & ATLs, & San Frans, etc if you want to get all the way to the top and win it all.

With those 2 concerns you go into negotiations having done your due diligence. I'm sure Bob/Rick didn't txt Cush "Hows the knee? Still off the PEDs?" and had him a big check. There's always some risk involved.

thunderkyss
09-04-2013, 09:52 AM
You've got to be hard-nosed and shrewd to manage those cap bucks as well as the Denvers, & ATLs, & San Frans, etc if you want to get all the way to the top and win it all.

I don't know about that. None of those guys have won a Super Bowl here recently. ATL won it's first play off game in a decade last season (or something like that).

There's a lot of stuff that goes into it, but treating your players right, I think, goes a long way in the right direction.

If we are of the mind, "If the doctors cleared him, let him play." & it seems as if the Texans are, then I see no reason for the Texans not to offer Brian Cushing this contract.

If it were an Achilles..... I might have a problem, but an ACL? it may be late in the season before he's the Brian Cushing we remember, but that's good for us isn't it?

I'd hate for him to be pissed about not getting an offer at all & trying too hard. I'd rather he be that BAMF thinking about winning a Super Bowl.

Carr Bombed
09-04-2013, 10:08 AM
I don't see the difference between Denver signing Peyton after multiple neck surgeries, the Falcons signing Dunta to a huge deal when it was clear he wasn't fully recovered, and Houston signing Cushing to a long term deal coming off knee surgery. Im sure if I researched it San fran has done similar deals as well.

infantrycak
09-04-2013, 10:34 AM
Im sure if I researched it San fran has done similar deals as well.

Easy one - Frank Gore broke his hip and missed the last 5 games of the 2010 season and then got a contract extension before the beginning of the 2011 season.

drs23
09-04-2013, 10:54 AM
I don't see the difference between Denver signing Peyton after multiple neck surgeries, the Falcons signing Dunta to a huge deal when it was clear he wasn't fully recovered, and Houston signing Cushing to a long term deal coming off knee surgery. Im sure if I researched it San fran has done similar deals as well.

'Cak was pretty quick. That was my retort as well. Seems to have worked out pretty good too.

dalemurphy
09-04-2013, 11:18 AM
This signing is good news if you believe in this organization. Not because of blind faith, but because of the following:

1. Evidence that the organization is comfortable and confident in Cushing's long term health.

2. This deal was made within the forward-looking vision of the team (including re-signing JJ Watt, and the other players the organization believes important)... We can know this because the Cushing signing was not done in distress: needing to get under the cap or cut some players, a holdout, about to lose the player if not signed (he was here through the year and the franchise tag is available to use in 2014)

3. Guaranteed money is rather small, which minimizes the risk if Cushing deteriorates as a player.


Nobody on the planet knows how well this deal will work out. He could break his neck in a freak accident tomorrow... Or, he could avoid injury, becoming a HOF LB... Or, more likely, something inbetween. Since I believe in the vision of the Texans, when I see evidence that the vision is being executed as intended, then I become more optimistic. Those of you who may be bearish on Smithiak, likely will see the execution of their plan in a negative light...

dalemurphy
09-04-2013, 11:22 AM
I don't see the difference between Denver signing Peyton after multiple neck surgeries, the Falcons signing Dunta to a huge deal when it was clear he wasn't fully recovered, and Houston signing Cushing to a long term deal coming off knee surgery. Im sure if I researched it San fran has done similar deals as well.

Well, Dunta never proved himself, before or after the injury, to be an All-pro caliber player. Peyton and Cushing have- so, I think, that fact alone may warrant consideration of more risk.

For the Texans, Cushing is a rare difference-maker at a position where the Texans are otherwise quite weak. That reality also strengthens the case for this deal.

DX-TEX
09-04-2013, 11:30 AM
Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew 21m
"I'm a Texan now. I consider Houston my home." - @briancushing56 on the signing.
Retweeted by Houston Texans

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Houston Texans ‏@HoustonTexans 20m
"Having a season taken away from me was a helpless feeling. It's made me a stronger person physically & mentally." @briancushing56
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"We definitely have a little bit of a rivalry but we're more of a duo. A two-headed monster." @briancushing56 on @JJWatt #Texans

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"Trust me, I knew every rep, I knew every exercise. I knew what he was doing." Smith on keeping up with @briancushing56's rehab process,

IDEXAN
09-04-2013, 11:32 AM
I don't see the difference between Denver signing Peyton after multiple neck surgeries, the Falcons signing Dunta to a huge deal when it was clear he wasn't fully recovered, and Houston signing Cushing to a long term deal coming off knee surgery. Im sure if I researched it San fran has done similar deals as well.
Peyton Manning is different by virtue of the Broncos having the chance to sign a HOF QB, one of the greatest. In other words the upside is so great, the payoff potentially is so big, in spite of the substantial risk it's one I can't fault the Broncos for making. And so far it looks like a good bet by Denver.
Re D-Rob, I feel like he kinda makes my case because if you followed his career after he arrived in ATL you know he was never the same player we knew when in Houston before his injury in the Raiders game. Most would now say the Falcons made a bad investment in D-Rob and we look smart letting him go.
And BTW Dunta was still in his 20s the first 2 years he was in ATL, so he should have been in his prime.

Playoffs
09-04-2013, 11:36 AM
http://cbssports.com/images/blogs/brian-cushing-injury.jpg
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
"What I envision is being the clear cut best middle linebacker in the NFL." Cushing says. #Texans

"You knew right away that this guy was a special player." Rick Smith. Says Cushing still has another level to reach. #Texans

Cushing says he has a little bit of a rivalry with @JJWatt but they see themselves as a two headed monster. #Texans

Big smile from @briancushing56 as Rick Smith talks because his wife just walked in. #Texans

"Obviously this is an organization I love... I'm a Texan now, consider Houston my home. " Cushing. #Texans
Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew
Cushing: sent videos to Smith of squats, box jumps on a near-weekly basis to show improvement during rehab. #Texans

Smith: I knew every rep, every excercise Cush was doing. Bc he kept me in the loop. #Texans

Smith: There's still a level to reach that Cushing hasn't gotten to yet. #Texans

"We look at ourselves as a duo. As a 2-headed monster." - @briancushing56 on playing w/ @JJWatt

"Not being able to contribute was a helpless feeling."- @briancushing56 on watching #Texans last yr while injured.

Smith: Cushing has shown us we can rely upon him, before/during/after rehab. Continued to do things he'd already done. #Texans

"I'm a Texan now. I consider Houston my home." - @briancushing56 on the signing.

Cushing: thanks to the McNairs, Rick Smith, Coach Kubiak, Coach Phillips. "This was a no-brainer."

Smith: He adds versatility, but he's a good person too. We like to build through the draft and we're excited. #Texans

Smith: #Texans agreed to terms yesterday w/Cushing for 6 more years. "Big day for the franchise."

infantrycak
09-04-2013, 11:55 AM
Re D-Rob, I feel like he kinda makes my case because if you followed his career after he arrived in ATL you know he was never the same player we knew when in Houston before his injury in the Raiders game. Most would now say the Falcons made a bad investment in D-Rob and we look smart letting him go.
And BTW Dunta was still in his 20s the first 2 years he was in ATL, so he should have been in his prime.

Dunta's career was not defined by his injuries. It was defined by Aaron Glenn. Dunta had a fantastic 2004 when he was constantly being coached on the sidelines by Glenn. That season built a Dunta mythology. But after Glenn left Dunta was never the same again in coverage and really only maintained his rep on big hits.

Norg
09-04-2013, 01:12 PM
Rick has been pressing to get this done before the season started, as his policy is no contract negotiations during the season. Glad it worked out.

this policy needs to change one day if not already its going to come back and bite us in our Ass

IDEXAN
09-04-2013, 01:37 PM
Dunta's career was not defined by his injuries. It was defined by Aaron Glenn.
Now that's a very interesting thing to say there Infantrycak, and certainly a very strong claim about the kind of impact AG had on D-Rob. I need to think about that.

ObsiWan
09-04-2013, 02:58 PM
Now that's a very interesting thing to say there Infantrycak, and certainly a very strong claim about the kind of impact AG had on D-Rob. I need to think about that.

I'm in agreement with I-Cak. Until J-Jo and D.Manning got here and K.Jax came into his own we haven't had anything close to the defensive back end we had when Aaron Glenn, Marcus Coleman (who was probably even better at CB than safety), and Dunta.

thunderkyss
09-04-2013, 08:12 PM
this policy needs to change one day if not already its going to come back and bite us in our Ass

Well, we know he's flexible as negotiations with Schaub continued into the regular season last year.

pirbroke
09-04-2013, 08:42 PM
on a personal note, wooooohooo.
my one and only high dollar Texans shirt is good for another 6 years.

Seegara
09-04-2013, 09:00 PM
BIG mistake! Not only is he extremely injury prone, he may never be 100% after last year's terrible injury. Texans get stuck with a bunch of guaranteed money against the salary cap. This is reminiscent of Schaub's long term extension that we are saddled with.

Lurvinator11
09-04-2013, 09:03 PM
BIG mistake! Not only is he extremely injury prone, he may never be 100% after last year's terrible injury. Texans get stuck with a bunch of guaranteed money against the salary cap. This is reminiscent of Schaub's long term extension that we are saddled with.

Are you serious?

infantrycak
09-04-2013, 09:34 PM
BIG mistake! Not only is he extremely injury prone, he may never be 100% after last year's terrible injury. Texans get stuck with a bunch of guaranteed money against the salary cap. This is reminiscent of Schaub's long term extension that we are saddled with.

1 injury in 4 years is extremely injury prone?

He got very little guaranteed money - $9 mil out of $55. Patrick Willis got $29 mil guaranteed.

thunderkyss
09-04-2013, 09:43 PM
1 injury in 4 years is extremely injury prone?

He got very little guaranteed money - $9 mil out of $55. Patrick Willis got $29 mil guaranteed.

I thought Cushing got $21M (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000237850/article/brian-cushing-texans-reach-6year-contract-extension)??

The Texans have agreed to terms with Cushing on a six-year, $55.643 million contract extension, a source involved in the deal told NFL.com's Ian Rapoport and Albert Breer. The deal includes $21 million in guaranteed money.

infantrycak
09-04-2013, 10:15 PM
I thought Cushing got $21M (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000237850/article/brian-cushing-texans-reach-6year-contract-extension)??



Ooops - looked at a bad article. Still $21 is not unusually high. Geno Atkins' $56 mil contract has $31 guaranteed.

DocBar
09-05-2013, 12:57 AM
1 injury in 4 years is extremely injury prone?

He got very little guaranteed money - $9 mil out of $55. Patrick Willis got $29 mil guaranteed.He had surgery on his patellar tendon following his rookie year, iirc. So 4 years, two tendons and one suspension. Batting .750. Maybe the Lastro's should offer him a contract. :kitten:

infantrycak
09-05-2013, 01:47 AM
He had surgery on his patellar tendon following his rookie year, iirc. So 4 years, two tendons and one suspension. Batting .750. Maybe the Lastro's should offer him a contract. :kitten:

Testing positive is not an injury and he missed no time for the patella cleanup which he said predated his rookie year. While he has been a Texan he has had one injury which has caused him to miss playing time.

TejasTom
09-05-2013, 04:13 AM
Testing positive is not an injury and he missed no time for the patella cleanup which he said predated his rookie year. While he has been a Texan he has had one injury which has caused him to miss playing time.

Correct. From: CBS Houston (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2011/10/14/brian-cushing-a-man-possessed/) Oct 14, 2011

After having off season knee surgery to alleviate pain from an injury from his days at USC...

Cush played his entire Defensive Rookie of the Year campaign with a bum knee.


I like the extension and I'm not worried about him missing time.

badboy
09-05-2013, 12:02 PM
BIG mistake! Not only is he extremely injury prone, he may never be 100% after last year's terrible injury. Texans get stuck with a bunch of guaranteed money against the salary cap. This is reminiscent of Schaub's long term extension that we are saddled with.With McNair's accumen as a businesman and Olsen's expertise with salary cap and contracts I feel confident this is a very good contract although exact particulars like up front bonus (he did not get one first contract)are. It could be even better than it looks as did Schaub's which is a very favorable to Texans deal.

Seegara
09-05-2013, 09:01 PM
1 injury in 4 years is extremely injury prone?

He got very little guaranteed money - $9 mil out of $55. Patrick Willis got $29 mil guaranteed.
In college Cushing had dislocated shoulder and ankle injuries. As a Texan he played through some injuries but they cost him effectiveness and playing time and caused listings of probable or questionable several times. In '09 shoulder and foot. In '10 knee, foot, neck. In '11 foot, knee, elbow, hamstring, ribs, knee. In '12 ribs, ACL. Yes, that's what I call extremely injury prone.

Among Cushing and 2 other easily hurt players, Andre Johnson and Matt Schaub, I'd like to bet somebody a 12 pack. My contention is that at least one of these will not play in all 16 regular season games.

EllisUnit
09-05-2013, 09:05 PM
In college Cushing had dislocated shoulder and ankle injuries. As a Texan he played through some injuries but they cost him effectiveness and playing time and caused listings of probable or questionable several times. In '09 shoulder and foot. In '10 knee, foot, neck. In '11 foot, knee, elbow, hamstring, ribs, knee. In '12 ribs, ACL. Yes, that's what I call extremely injury prone.

Among Cushing and 2 other easily hurt players, Andre Johnson and Matt Schaub, I'd like to bet somebody a 12 pack. My contention is that at least one of these will not play in all 16 regular season games.

Yep i say we have the first seed clinched by week 15 and then we rest most the starters for the last game atleast. :bender:

76Texan
09-05-2013, 09:12 PM
Yep i say we have the first seed clinched by week 15 and then we rest most the starters for the last game atleast. :bender:

:bravo:

thunderkyss
09-05-2013, 09:23 PM
Among Cushing and 2 other easily hurt players, Andre Johnson and Matt Schaub, I'd like to bet somebody a 12 pack. My contention is that at least one of these will not play in all 16 regular season games.

Manning, Welker, & Dummerville...

I like this game.

Texian
09-06-2013, 11:34 AM
Numbers can be deceiving when it comes to NFL contracts, but in the case of inside linebacker Brian Cushing, the "Moneybags" moniker J.J. Watt gave him yesterday is apt.

Cushing was absolutely correct when he said most players coming off a torn ACL don't get this kind of deal. According to his contract documents, the Houston Texans showed just how much faith they have in Cushing's health and recovery with this contract, giving him a deal with guaranteed base salaries through 2015.

Cushing
We already knew the deal included a $9 million signing bonus and $21 million in guarantees overall. It also has a $6 million option bonus, with 2019 an option year that has to be picked up by 2014.

His base salaries of $2 million in 2014 and $4 million in 2015 are guaranteed. The 2014 base is guaranteed for skill, injury and cap, which means if they release him for any reason he still gets the guaranteed base. The 2015 base is only guaranteed for injury, which shows faith in his ability to stay healthy.

Cushing's base goes up to $5 million in 2016, but it increases to $6 million if the Texans don't pick up the option year. And each year of the deal he has a per-game roster bonus that totals $1.25 million.

The cap numbers are $4.449 million this year, $5.390 million next year, $8.25 million in 2015, $9.25 million in 2016, $9.75 million in 2017, $9.7 million in 2018, and $9.5 million in 2019.

http://espn.go.com/blog/houston-texans/post/_/id/348/cushings-deal-shows-texans-trust-in-him

76Texan
09-06-2013, 12:06 PM
Numbers can be deceiving when it comes to NFL contracts, but in the case of inside linebacker Brian Cushing, the "Moneybags" moniker J.J. Watt gave him yesterday is apt.

Cushing was absolutely correct when he said most players coming off a torn ACL don't get this kind of deal. According to his contract documents, the Houston Texans showed just how much faith they have in Cushing's health and recovery with this contract, giving him a deal with guaranteed base salaries through 2015.

Cushing
We already knew the deal included a $9 million signing bonus and $21 million in guarantees overall. It also has a $6 million option bonus, with 2019 an option year that has to be picked up by 2014.

His base salaries of $2 million in 2014 and $4 million in 2015 are guaranteed. The 2014 base is guaranteed for skill, injury and cap, which means if they release him for any reason he still gets the guaranteed base. The 2015 base is only guaranteed for injury, which shows faith in his ability to stay healthy.

Cushing's base goes up to $5 million in 2016, but it increases to $6 million if the Texans don't pick up the option year. And each year of the deal he has a per-game roster bonus that totals $1.25 million.

The cap numbers are $4.449 million this year, $5.390 million next year, $8.25 million in 2015, $9.25 million in 2016, $9.75 million in 2017, $9.7 million in 2018, and $9.5 million in 2019.

http://espn.go.com/blog/houston-texans/post/_/id/348/cushings-deal-shows-texans-trust-in-him

I understand the injury part differently.
That clause is in there to protect the player in case he gets injured.
If Cushing is healthy in 2015, but the Texans decide to cut him, he will not receive that certain amount of money.
If he gets injured in practice or in game, he's guaranteed of that money.

In that regard, it's the same in principal like Tom Brady's recent extension deal.

Vance87
09-06-2013, 02:38 PM
BIG mistake! Not only is he extremely injury prone, he may never be 100% after last year's terrible injury. Texans get stuck with a bunch of guaranteed money against the salary cap. This is reminiscent of Schaub's long term extension that we are saddled with.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/seriously.gif

badboy
09-06-2013, 02:53 PM
Numbers can be deceiving when it comes to NFL contracts, but in the case of inside linebacker Brian Cushing, the "Moneybags" moniker J.J. Watt gave him yesterday is apt.

Cushing was absolutely correct when he said most players coming off a torn ACL don't get this kind of deal. According to his contract documents, the Houston Texans showed just how much faith they have in Cushing's health and recovery with this contract, giving him a deal with guaranteed base salaries through 2015.

Cushing
We already knew the deal included a $9 million signing bonus and $21 million in guarantees overall. It also has a $6 million option bonus, with 2019 an option year that has to be picked up by 2014.

His base salaries of $2 million in 2014 and $4 million in 2015 are guaranteed. The 2014 base is guaranteed for skill, injury and cap, which means if they release him for any reason he still gets the guaranteed base. The 2015 base is only guaranteed for injury, which shows faith in his ability to stay healthy.

Cushing's base goes up to $5 million in 2016, but it increases to $6 million if the Texans don't pick up the option year. And each year of the deal he has a per-game roster bonus that totals $1.25 million.

The cap numbers are $4.449 million this year, $5.390 million next year, $8.25 million in 2015, $9.25 million in 2016, $9.75 million in 2017, $9.7 million in 2018, and $9.5 million in 2019.

http://espn.go.com/blog/houston-texans/post/_/id/348/cushings-deal-shows-texans-trust-in-himSomething confusing me, article says his bonus was $9 m which would be prorated over 6 years or $1.5 tioadd to each of the six base salary or in 2014: $2m (base) + $1.5 (prorated bonus) = $3.5 m cap. Article then said his 2014 cap is $5.39. Is the difference likely to be miscellaneous bonus?

Texian
09-06-2013, 06:40 PM
Something confusing me, article says his bonus was $9 m which would be prorated over 6 years or $1.5 tioadd to each of the six base salary or in 2014: $2m (base) + $1.5 (prorated bonus) = $3.5 m cap. Article then said his 2014 cap is $5.39. Is the difference likely to be miscellaneous bonus?

You can only prorate bonuses a maximum of 5 years....and you missed "And each year of the deal he has a per-game roster bonus that totals $1.25 million."

badboy
09-07-2013, 10:44 AM
You can only prorate bonuses a maximum of 5 years....and you missed "And each year of the deal he has a per-game roster bonus that totals $1.25 million."Did not know that thanks!

thunderkyss
09-07-2013, 03:00 PM
More detail (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/inside-brian-cushings-big-payday-170033934--nfl.html)

The new deal contains $21 million in guarantees, which consists of a $9 million signing bonus, $6 million option bonus due on the fifteenth day of the 2014 league year (March 25) with an equivalent non-exercise fee, a fully guaranteed $2 million 2014 base salary and $4 million 2015 base salary guaranteed for injury only. The base salary guarantees have offsets.

Cushing has unguaranteed $1.143 million, $5 million, $5.5 million, $7.25 million and $8.25 million base salaries in his 2013, 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019 contract years. There are also per game active roster bonuses totaling $1.25 million ($78,125 per game) in each of the extension years (2014-2019).


The Texans gain $200,000 of cap room with Cushing’s new contract. His 2013 cap number goes from $4.643 million to $4.443 million. Cushing created his own cap room because his base salary this year decreased by $2 million while his signing bonus counts $1.8 million during the 2013 through 2018 contract years.

The big cap benefit for Houston comes in 2014. Cushing’s 2014 cap number is significantly less (at least a $3.4 million difference) than it would have been if the Texans had franchised him instead of signing him to an extension. This year’s franchise tag number for linebackers is $9.619 million. Since per game active roster bonuses are treated like incentives on the cap, only the amount of the roster bonus for the games Cushing is active this year will count towards the cap in 2014. Assuming Cushing is active for every game this season, his 2014 cap number will be $6.25 million because his entire $1.25 million roster bonus will count on the cap.

So why did Andre restructure?

Texian
09-08-2013, 11:11 AM
More detail (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/inside-brian-cushings-big-payday-170033934--nfl.html)





So why did Andre restructure?

Because the Texans had to add players #52 & #53, add 8 practice squad players and put 4 players on IR. All of the above is included in the salary cap. Texans were only about $2 million UNDER and the above put them OVER.

Prior to the start of season all NFL teams must now account for all salaries, injured reserve, practice squad, settlements, likely incentives, grievance holds, etc. and all is included in the salary cap.