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the wonger need food
08-30-2013, 01:29 AM
I hate to bring everyone down after such a good showing in Arlington, but the last few minutes of that game highlighted the culture of the Texans under Gary Kubiak and why his team will never win a championship.

Good NFL teams have a culture of excellence and typically do not accept mediocrity in anything that they do on a football field. They enjoy dominating, and to a certain degree, humiliating their opponents.

Good teams make it a goal to score a touchdown every single time they have the football, even when they create a turnover on defense.

Tonight's game meant absolutely nothing and they likely just wanted to get out of south Oklahoma healthy. However, it would have been a perfect opportunity to run the offense and try to score touchdowns during the last five minutes instead of just running down the clock. Scoring a touchdown everytime they touch the ball should be the goal with nothing less being acceptable. Unfortunately for us this team has no killer instinct and most of the time seems disinterested in scoring touchdowns, instead being happy with field goals or just running some time off the clock.

Maybe Kubiak doesn't want to hurt the opposing coaches feelings? It's just blatantly apparent that he has no desire to put teams away on the scoreboard and instead opts to retreat into the perverbial turtle shell and hope for the clock to hit zero with the lead.

As we all know this team has never been good in the red zone under Kubiak. This has to be related to his attitude on scoring touchdowns. He does not seem to playcall for it or demand it, instead settling for field goals more times than not.

I just don't believe we can win a Super Bowl with the current culture and attitudes and until there's some semblance of a killer instead developed we'll have to settle for slightly above mediocrity.

The Third Man
08-30-2013, 02:26 AM
You gathered this from a 4th preseason game? What exactly did you see tonight that made you think "yep, I better start a thread and let everybody know that Gary Kubiak has created a slightly-above-mediocre football culture for the Texans?"

Let me further enquire of you: tell us about your sports, business, or life exploits that makes you qualified to lecture everybody about the "culture of excellence." Step down from the mountaintop for a moment and let us mere mortals know what it takes, man. The culture of excellence must demonstrate something really special for fourth preseason games, I'm sure.

Mailman
08-30-2013, 02:44 AM
Trollover accident here, folks. Keep it movin please, no need to rubberneck.

imatexan
08-30-2013, 02:57 AM
:toropalm:

Texn4life
08-30-2013, 03:01 AM
Dumbest thread I've ever read!

infantrycak
08-30-2013, 03:36 AM
yHow many times is this guy going to run on 2nd and long? Every single time we are 2nd and long he runs the ball!!!

He's so predictable he fooled you. Schaub threw 144 times on 2nd and 6+ with a completion % of 69.4%. Other than 1st down 2nd and long was by far Kubiak's most likely down and distance to call a pass play. Wanna guess how many rushes over 144 Arian Foster had on 2nd and 6+? -76, i.e. he had 68 rushes (that would be 32% rushes).

sandman
08-30-2013, 03:52 AM
You see it with how he babies schaub, he doesnt allow him to change plays at the huddle. I mean my god the guy has been immersed in your system for so many years, can you not trust a guy to change a play if he sees something defensively he can exploit?

Sigh. No matter how many times this is debunked and talked about, people are simply going to believe what they want to believe.

revan
08-30-2013, 04:50 AM
You are right, screw the season lets just start talking about the draft again.

buddyboy
08-30-2013, 07:43 AM
He's so predictable he fooled you. Schaub threw 144 times on 2nd and 6+ with a completion % of 69.4%. Other than 1st down 2nd and long was by far Kubiak's most likely down and distance to call a pass play. Wanna guess how many rushes over 144 Arian Foster had on 2nd and 6+? -76, i.e. he had 68 rushes (that would be 32% rushes).

But, the eye test... :kitten:

MistaRed
08-30-2013, 08:03 AM
What a waste of time.

Tailgate
08-30-2013, 08:13 AM
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Rey
08-30-2013, 08:42 AM
I've had plenty of Kubiak criticisms, but I'm going to let these guys go out and show it.

thunderkyss
08-30-2013, 08:55 AM
We're going to get our run game back on track. When we get a lead, we're going to run the ball down their throats. We're going to run it to the right. We're going to run it to the left. We're going to run it up the middle.

Then when they're gasping for air, he's going to drop the bomb to Aj, Hopkins, OD..... we're going to pull the rope-a-dope & make some of the best defenses in the league look plain silly.

We won't be beating our opponents by 20 (like last year) we're going to be beating them by 25 & people are going to say, "aBout time Kubiak changed his ways." when it'll be the same guy we've had all along. Nothing's changed, except the tools he has to work with.

thunderkyss
08-30-2013, 09:04 AM
Mia @ Hou +20
Hou @ Jac +20
Hou @ Den 6
Ten @ Hou +24
Hou @ NYJ 6
GB @ Hou -18
Bal @ Hou +30
Bye
Buf @ Hou 12
Hou @ Chi 7
Jac @ Hou 6
Hou @ Det 3
Hou @ Ten 14
Hou @ NE -28
Ind @ Hou 12
Min @ Hou -17
Hou @ Ind -16

When it works it works. Kubiak doesn't care anymore about being rude against Miami or Baltimore & running up the score than he does about the Jets or Jags & only winning by 6.

Mr teX
08-30-2013, 09:17 AM
I hate to bring everyone down after such a good showing in Arlington, but the last few minutes of that game highlighted the culture of the Texans under Gary Kubiak and why his team will never win a championship.

Good NFL teams have a culture of excellence and typically do not accept mediocrity in anything that they do on a football field. They enjoy dominating, and to a certain degree, humiliating their opponents.

Good teams make it a goal to score a touchdown every single time they have the football, even when they create a turnover on defense.

Tonight's game meant absolutely nothing and they likely just wanted to get out of south Oklahoma healthy. However, it would have been a perfect opportunity to run the offense and try to score touchdowns during the last five minutes instead of just running down the clock. Scoring a touchdown everytime they touch the ball should be the goal with nothing less being acceptable. Unfortunately for us this team has no killer instinct and most of the time seems disinterested in scoring touchdowns, instead being happy with field goals or just running some time off the clock

Maybe Kubiak doesn't want to hurt the opposing coaches feelings? It's just blatantly apparent that he has no desire to put teams away on the scoreboard and instead opts to retreat into the perverbial turtle shell and hope for the clock to hit zero with the lead.

As we all know this team has never been good in the red zone under Kubiak. This has to be related to his attitude on scoring touchdowns. He does not seem to playcall for it or demand it, instead settling for field goals more times than not.

I just don't believe we can win a Super Bowl with the current culture and attitudes and until there's some semblance of a killer instead developed we'll have to settle for slightly above mediocrity.

You were doing alright until the bolded...that part of your post literally turned it into a candidate for the worst post of the year. I mean what possible good could that have done with 3rd / 4th stringers on the field?

b0ng
08-30-2013, 09:21 AM
Tonight's game meant absolutely nothing and they likely just wanted to get out of south Oklahoma healthy. However, it would have been a perfect opportunity to run the offense and try to score touchdowns during the last five minutes instead of just running down the clock.

get the **** out of here

HJam72
08-30-2013, 09:28 AM
He's so predictable he fooled you. Schaub threw 144 times on 2nd and 6+ with a completion % of 69.4%. Other than 1st down 2nd and long was by far Kubiak's most likely down and distance to call a pass play. Wanna guess how many rushes over 144 Arian Foster had on 2nd and 6+? -76, i.e. he had 68 rushes (that would be 32% rushes).

Those are stats. You have to actually watch the games to know what's going on. :jk: :)

Playoffs
08-30-2013, 09:28 AM
I hate to bring everyone down...
Didn't work but, hey, enjoy your misery...

http://www.shrimperzone.com/vb/images/smilies/under-a-cloud.gif

El Tejano
08-30-2013, 09:43 AM
The only thing that makes me agree with this thread is how we settled for the FG at halftime against New Orleans with :06 left on the clock. To me that didn't leave the right mindset for the team. When that happened, I thought how Belichek would've taken one quick shot. Instead we told the team that if this ever happens again, we are going to settle and not strike.

However, I've seen a change in the way the team has been handled. I believe Kubiak has become a better coach and has the team thinking in the right direction.

GuerillaBlack
08-30-2013, 09:54 AM
The only thing that makes me agree with this thread is how we settled for the FG at halftime against New Orleans with :06 left on the clock. To me that didn't leave the right mindset for the team. When that happened, I thought how Belichek would've taken one quick shot. Instead we told the team that if this ever happens again, we are going to settle and not strike.

However, I've seen a change in the way the team has been handled. I believe Kubiak has become a better coach and has the team thinking in the right direction.

Yeah that was one thing I didn't like. Attempt a chip shot field goal? For what? Practice a 4th and goal situation right there where we need the score or something.

HJam72
08-30-2013, 09:56 AM
I did think that was kind of bad. :toropalm:

thunderkyss
08-30-2013, 11:11 AM
eh...

76Texan
08-30-2013, 11:17 AM
I've had plenty of Kubiak criticisms, but I'm going to let these guys go out and show it.

There's no guarantee that the Texans can win the AFC, true that.
But I like our chance.

utahmark
08-30-2013, 01:11 PM
The only thing that makes me agree with this thread is how we settled for the FG at halftime against New Orleans with :06 left on the clock. To me that didn't leave the right mindset for the team. When that happened, I thought how Belichek would've taken one quick shot. Instead we told the team that if this ever happens again, we are going to settle and not strike.

However, I've seen a change in the way the team has been handled. I believe Kubiak has become a better coach and has the team thinking in the right direction.

I'm pretty sure there were only 4 seconds on the clock.

thunderkyss
08-30-2013, 02:02 PM
I'm pretty sure there were only 4 seconds on the clock.

Chip shot or not I want to see how my "rookie" kicker handles the pressure. It's not a big deal, but one of those details that might get us where we want to be.

We had three shots from the 16, couldn't get it done. What are we going to see on 4th down that we didn't see in the first 3?

klockWork
08-30-2013, 05:46 PM
We had three shots from the 16, couldn't get it done. What are we going to see on 4th down that we didn't see in the first 3?

Damn! Is our RZ playbook that short? Anybody want to buy my home opener tickets @20 yard line?

Double Barrel
08-30-2013, 06:04 PM
LMAO at this thread!!

31 teams will not win a championship this season. So it is fairly easy to be right when you make such bold predictions.

HJam72
08-30-2013, 06:18 PM
Why the Texans might win a Championship this season:

Gary Kubiak
Wade Phillips

Duane Brown
Chris Myers
Owen Daniels
Garret Graham
Andre Johnson
DeAndre Hopkins
Devier Posey
Greg Jones
Arian Foster
Ben Tate

JJ Watt
Antonio Smith
Earl Mitchell
Brian Cushing
Jonathan Joseph
Kareem Jackson
Daniel Manning
Ed Reed
Whitney Mercilus
Darryl Sharpton
Tim Dobbins
Brice McCain

Bryan Brahman

Shane Lechler
Randy Bullock

ObsiWan
08-30-2013, 06:32 PM
The only thing that makes me agree with this thread is how we settled for the FG at halftime against New Orleans with :06 left on the clock. To me that didn't leave the right mindset for the team. When that happened, I thought how Belichek would've taken one quick shot. Instead we told the team that if this ever happens again, we are going to settle and not strike.

However, I've seen a change in the way the team has been handled. I believe Kubiak has become a better coach and has the team thinking in the right direction.

Houston Texans at 1:14 NOR HOU
1st and 10 at HOU 20 (Shotgun) M.Schaub pass deep middle to A.Johnson to HST 37 for 17 yards (K.Lewis).
1st and 10 at HOU 37 (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Schaub pass incomplete short right to O.Daniels (T.Johnson).
2nd and 10 at HOU 37 (Shotgun) M.Schaub pass short right to O.Daniels to HST 49 for 12 yards (J.Leonhard).
Timeout #1 by HST at 00:45.
1st and 10 at HOU 49 (Shotgun) M.Schaub pass short right to K.Martin pushed ob at NO 43 for 8 yards (M.Jenkins).
2nd and 2 at NO 43 (Shotgun) M.Schaub pass short middle to A.Johnson to NO 36 for 7 yards (M.Jenkins).
Timeout #2 by HST at 00:34.
1st and 10 at NO 36 (Shotgun) M.Schaub pass incomplete short right to A.Johnson.
2nd and 10 at NO 36 (Shotgun) M.Schaub pass deep right to A.Johnson to NO 14 for 22 yards (K.Lewis).
1st and 10 at NO 14 M.Schaub spiked the ball to stop the clock.
2nd and 10 at NO 14 (Shotgun) M.Schaub pass short middle to G.Graham to NO 3 for 11 yards (R.Humber, R.Bush).
Timeout #3 by HST at 00:04.
1st and 3 at NO 3 R.Bullock 21 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Weeks, Holder-S.Lechler. 17 16
DRIVE TOTALS: NO 17, HOU 16, 10 plays, 77 yards, 1:14 elapsed

We drove the length of the field in less than a minute and a half and you want the team to take a chance - with 4 secs left and no more T/O's - to come up empty after all that work. We'd taken one good shot from inside the 15 and G.G. couldn't get in.

And with another half of football left to play, I'd bet good money that Belichick would have kicked that FG to make it a one-pont game in that situation too.

Texecutioner
08-30-2013, 09:48 PM
I can't knock the OP's opinion at all on this. I just think his examples were really poor examples to illustrate his thoughts. His statements are dead on as far as Kubiak and I've said this since I joined this site. Kubiak is a play it safe guy, and I hate the way he coaches, but he is what he is. I have to live with him as a fan, but I'll never be able to pretend his short comings aren't there. I will never like a coach who hides his face and eyes during crunch time like some sort of wimp who isn't tough enough to witness his failure if that might happen. Gary has made a ton of play calling mistakes over the years that have burnt the team really bad, and I've watched him make the same mistakes. His confidence in Schaub has always been very limited as well.

I think Kubiak could potentially be a better coach though if we had a better QB that was mobile and could extend plays though. Schaub is a big part of that problem at this point. His slow release, lack of speed with his legs, and his reaction time is killing a lot of plays that could be extended otherwise. Kubiak and Schaub are both problems that guys like Watt, Cushing, AJ, Brown, and Foster all have to overcome. They are the leaders and the studs, and they have to carry the weaker units and leaks on this team.

NastyNate
08-31-2013, 12:50 AM
I hate to bring everyone down after such a good showing in Arlington, but the last few minutes of that game highlighted the culture of the Texans under Gary Kubiak and why his team will never win a championship.

Good NFL teams have a culture of excellence and typically do not accept mediocrity in anything that they do on a football field. They enjoy dominating, and to a certain degree, humiliating their opponents.

Good teams make it a goal to score a touchdown every single time they have the football, even when they create a turnover on defense.

Tonight's game meant absolutely nothing and they likely just wanted to get out of south Oklahoma healthy. However, it would have been a perfect opportunity to run the offense and try to score touchdowns during the last five minutes instead of just running down the clock. Scoring a touchdown everytime they touch the ball should be the goal with nothing less being acceptable. Unfortunately for us this team has no killer instinct and most of the time seems disinterested in scoring touchdowns, instead being happy with field goals or just running some time off the clock.

Maybe Kubiak doesn't want to hurt the opposing coaches feelings? It's just blatantly apparent that he has no desire to put teams away on the scoreboard and instead opts to retreat into the perverbial turtle shell and hope for the clock to hit zero with the lead.

As we all know this team has never been good in the red zone under Kubiak. This has to be related to his attitude on scoring touchdowns. He does not seem to playcall for it or demand it, instead settling for field goals more times than not.

I just don't believe we can win a Super Bowl with the current culture and attitudes and until there's some semblance of a killer instead developed we'll have to settle for slightly above mediocrity.


Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

HJam72
08-31-2013, 07:44 AM
On the 00:04 play, I just wanted him to go for it, BECAUSE IT'S PRESEASON. I figured most of those guys wouldn't play another down that day & I wanted to see them go for it. I even remembered it as the end of the game, but I'm sure I just thought that because the first half of preseason game 3 is about the only way (if any) to judge the starters in preseason.

BullBlitz
08-31-2013, 08:31 AM
I hate to bring everyone down.

Good news them. You didn't. What made you think that you had the influence to do that?

I try to be realistic when looking at the Texans, but your comments were simply ignorant. Kubiak had nothing to prove by trying to score late 4Q TDs with a bunch of players who would soon be waived.

Jackie Chiles
08-31-2013, 09:12 AM
LMAO at this thread!!

31 teams will not win a championship this season. So it is fairly easy to be right when you make such bold predictions.

Exactly, even if everything goes right in a season it is incredibly difficult to take home the Lombardi. I would be willing to bet that less talented teams have taken one home though. That at least gets us in the door.

If we run he ball like we did in 2011 and play great defense Kubiak is going to look a heck of a lot better by the end of the season, not that 22 wins over the last two years is anything to sneeze at. We are one of a handful of teams with at least a punchers chance at winning it all. Probability is still heavily against us but is there anything easier than making a thread predicting a team won't win a championship? Way to go out on a limb Miss Cleo! OP seems to be happy when hes miserable though judging by the painfully depressing threads he has been making the last few months. Dude, get over yourself.

EllisUnit
08-31-2013, 10:17 AM
I hate to bring everyone down after such a good showing in Arlington, but the last few minutes of that game highlighted the culture of the Texans under Gary Kubiak and why his team will never win a championship.

Good NFL teams have a culture of excellence and typically do not accept mediocrity in anything that they do on a football field. They enjoy dominating, and to a certain degree, humiliating their opponents.

Good teams make it a goal to score a touchdown every single time they have the football, even when they create a turnover on defense.

Tonight's game meant absolutely nothing and they likely just wanted to get out of south Oklahoma healthy. However, it would have been a perfect opportunity to run the offense and try to score touchdowns during the last five minutes instead of just running down the clock. Scoring a touchdown everytime they touch the ball should be the goal with nothing less being acceptable. Unfortunately for us this team has no killer instinct and most of the time seems disinterested in scoring touchdowns, instead being happy with field goals or just running some time off the clock.

Maybe Kubiak doesn't want to hurt the opposing coaches feelings? It's just blatantly apparent that he has no desire to put teams away on the scoreboard and instead opts to retreat into the perverbial turtle shell and hope for the clock to hit zero with the lead.

As we all know this team has never been good in the red zone under Kubiak. This has to be related to his attitude on scoring touchdowns. He does not seem to playcall for it or demand it, instead settling for field goals more times than not.

I just don't believe we can win a Super Bowl with the current culture and attitudes and until there's some semblance of a killer instead developed we'll have to settle for slightly above mediocrity.

If all our starters go down in the same game and our 3nd and 3rd string have to come in then maybe any of what you said is relevant, but until them....

Are you F....ing kidding me ?

ObsiWan
09-01-2013, 04:21 AM
The Wonger Needs Abilify

...or maybe just more Koolaid

:kitten:

Surreal McCoy
09-01-2013, 05:47 PM
He's so predictable he fooled you. Schaub threw 144 times on 2nd and 6+ with a completion % of 69.4%. Other than 1st down 2nd and long was by far Kubiak's most likely down and distance to call a pass play. Wanna guess how many rushes over 144 Arian Foster had on 2nd and 6+? -76, i.e. he had 68 rushes (that would be 32% rushes).

Oooh. That's gonna leave a mark :yikes:

Lucky
09-01-2013, 06:35 PM
Schaub threw 144 times on 2nd and 6+ with a completion % of 69.4%.
Is 2nd and 6 considered 2nd and long? What were the numbers on 2nd and 10+? And you have to consider situations, as well. 2nd and long down 7+ in the 2nd half vs 2nd and long up 7+ in the 2nd half will likely be different. It's real tricky trying to come up with absolutes in statistics.

thunderkyss
09-01-2013, 07:03 PM
Is 2nd and 6 considered 2nd and long? What were the numbers on 2nd and 10+? And you have to consider situations, as well. 2nd and long down 7+ in the 2nd half vs 2nd and long up 7+ in the 2nd half will likely be different. It's real tricky trying to come up with absolutes in statistics.

Does it really matter?

I mean I know some people like to pick nits.... but we were one of the better offenses in the league. We controlled the ball as much as any other team. We led the league in T.o.P. We won 12 games.

Sure, I'd like to have been better in all categories, but we weren't & being that we accomplished so much with our faults, our tendencies, or whatever, leads me to believe there was a reason to his madness.

I don't understand it. I don't like Kubiak. But does it really matter what we did on 2nd down if we won the game?

New England whup'd our butts in the play-offs. Was that because we preferred to run it on 2nd down?

76Texan
09-01-2013, 07:07 PM
Is 2nd and 6 considered 2nd and long? What were the numbers on 2nd and 10+? And you have to consider situations, as well. 2nd and long down 7+ in the 2nd half vs 2nd and long up 7+ in the 2nd half will likely be different. It's real tricky trying to come up with absolutes in statistics.

You can use the Play Finder feature at Profootballreference.com to find out exactly what each team does in any situation.

For example, you can find out how many times the Texans faced 2nd and 6 or longer between their own 10 to the opponent's 10 (or any field position of your choice).
It will tell you how many times they ran and how many times they were in passing mode. You have to take into account the number of sacks and the number of times the QB took off and ran (separately), what's the success rate, how many INTs and fumbles incurred, etc.

A whole lot of fun once you get a hang of it.

76Texan
09-01-2013, 07:08 PM
You can isolate plays in the first quarter, first half, 2 minutes left, etc.
Like I said, a whole boat load of different ways to look at numbers.

infantrycak
09-01-2013, 08:04 PM
Is 2nd and 6 considered 2nd and long? What were the numbers on 2nd and 10+? And you have to consider situations, as well. 2nd and long down 7+ in the 2nd half vs 2nd and long up 7+ in the 2nd half will likely be different. It's real tricky trying to come up with absolutes in statistics.

Different considerations don't have to be considered when answering the assertion "[e]very single time we are 2nd and long he runs the ball!!!" My stats disprove that just fine.

To expand and provide you with a longer long, on 2nd and 11+ Schaub had 35 att. which he completed at 77.1%. Arian had 15 att.

Lucky
09-03-2013, 11:48 PM
You can use the Play Finder feature at Profootballreference.com to find out exactly what each team does in any situation.
Thanks. Here's what I found running the Texans 2012 results from 2nd and 10+ plays (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/play_finder.cgi?request=1&match=summary_all&year_min=2012&year_max=2012&team_id=htx&opp_id=&game_type=R&playoff_round=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&quarter=1&quarter=2&quarter=3&quarter=4&quarter=5&tr_gtlt=lt&minutes=15&seconds=00&down=2&ytg_gtlt=gt&yds_to_go=10&yg_gtlt=gt&yards=&is_first_down=-1&fp_gtlt=gt&fp_tm_opp=team&fp_ydline=&type=PASS&type=RUSH&is_turnover=-1&is_scoring=-1&no_play=0&game_day_of_week=&game_location=&game_result=&margin_min=&margin_max=&order_by=yards).

The Texans ran 90 pass plays vs 56 runs. The Texans completed over 75% of their passes on 2nd and 10+. In the 56 runs, the Texans averaged under 3.4 ypc. Take away the 5 Schaub kneels at the end of victories, and the average is bumped up to 3.8 ypc. Take away Forsett's fortunate 81 yard "TD" versus the Lions, and the ypc drops to 2.3. The same Texans offense averages 4.8 ypc on 1st & 10. I don't get it. Shouldn't the opposing defense be more vulnerable to a 2nd & long run than a 1st & 10 run?

The perception is that the Texans run too often on 2nd and long. In reality, the numbers are saying instead that it's the Texans performing poorly when running on 2nd and long that is upsetting fans. 28 of the rushes ended in gains of 2 yards or less. Yet, their passing numbers remain very good. It's inexplicable.


I mean I know some people like to pick nits....
The irony in your post is not lost on me.

HJam72
09-04-2013, 02:15 AM
Anybody know how that compares to other teams on 2nd & 10+? I would look, but I don't have time right now. Maybe I'll look tomorrow.

Lucky
09-04-2013, 06:38 AM
NFL offenses average 65% pass/35% run on 2nd & 10+. The Texans are slightly under that at a 61/39 ratio. Only the Vikings and Niners run more than pass on 2nd & long. That makes sense, as Peterson & Gore both average over 6 ypc on that down and distance.

thunderkyss
09-04-2013, 08:43 AM
NFL offenses average 65% pass/35% run on 2nd & 10+. The Texans are slightly under that at a 61/39 ratio. Only the Vikings and Niners run more than pass on 2nd & long. That makes sense, as Peterson & Gore both average over 6 ypc on that down and distance.

One of the things I liked about Gary early on, was that he sticks to his guns. Right or wrong. He believes a team needs to be able to run when the other team knows you're going to run the ball. & I don't disagree with him.

I don't like games that are won by whoever had the ball last. I like the ones where one team says, "You want the ball, take it from me, I dare you."

If we were losing.... like from 2006-2008 (or at least not winning) I'd call it stubborn. But when we've won 22 games the last two seasons, I call it sticking to your guns.

This is something we have to get good at.

76Texan
09-04-2013, 09:48 AM
The Texans ran 90 pass plays vs 56 runs. The Texans completed over 75% of their passes on 2nd and 10+. In the 56 runs, the Texans averaged under 3.4 ypc. Take away the 5 Schaub kneels at the end of victories, and the average is bumped up to 3.8 ypc.

The perception is that the Texans run too often on 2nd and long. In reality, the numbers are saying instead that it's the Texans performing poorly when running on 2nd and long that is upsetting fans. 28 of the rushes ended in gains of 2 yards or less. Yet, their passing numbers remain very good. It's inexplicable.


Anybody know how that compares to other teams on 2nd & 10+? I would look, but I don't have time right now. Maybe I'll look tomorrow.

NFL offenses average 65% pass/35% run on 2nd & 10+. The Texans are slightly under that at a 61/39 ratio. Only the Vikings and Niners run more than pass on 2nd & long. That makes sense, as Peterson & Gore both average over 6 ypc on that down and distance.

Out of the 56 plays recorded as runs, five were kneels down, one was a fumble on the snap that Schaub recovered, and two were Schaub running for his life.
Those last three were actually pass plays.
We should disregard the five kneel downs, and count those three plays as passing plays.
Now we have 48 running plays instead of 56.

Then we add the 3 plays to the 90 that were recorded as pass plays for a total of 93 plays.

93+48= 141 valid plays
That's a 66/34 ratio

We need to do the same for the rest of the league (but I won't since it would take too much time), but it should be safe to see that the Texans is somewhere at the average in the league in the pass/run ration on 2nd and 10 or more.

silvrhand
09-04-2013, 12:10 PM
Thanks. Here's what I found running the Texans 2012 results from 2nd and 10+ plays (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/play_finder.cgi?request=1&match=summary_all&year_min=2012&year_max=2012&team_id=htx&opp_id=&game_type=R&playoff_round=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&quarter=1&quarter=2&quarter=3&quarter=4&quarter=5&tr_gtlt=lt&minutes=15&seconds=00&down=2&ytg_gtlt=gt&yds_to_go=10&yg_gtlt=gt&yards=&is_first_down=-1&fp_gtlt=gt&fp_tm_opp=team&fp_ydline=&type=PASS&type=RUSH&is_turnover=-1&is_scoring=-1&no_play=0&game_day_of_week=&game_location=&game_result=&margin_min=&margin_max=&order_by=yards).



That's an awesome site, what's interesting is how much more the texans run the ball on 3 long distance > 8 yards, we are 10% more likely than the rest of the entire NFL to run the ball.

I don't like how wonger presents his facts, but he's right about one thing, Gary plays it way too safe most of the time for me. He's going to have to start being more aggressive on offense for us to win a championship, we have all seen our team get teams down, only to let off the gas instead of just continuing to beat them into submission.

Porky
09-04-2013, 12:29 PM
I can't totally disagree with Wonger's conclusion, but the evidence provided is ridiculous.

I'm just going to overlook his posts about preseason football, as discussing that as evidence leading to your conclusion is just asinine, but let's look at the final conclusion - that Kubes is an overly conservative play it safe as hell coach? Can't really disagree.

And I think it gets "worse" this year. With Shane L and Randy B, I think he plays the field position game even more than he does now. Not to mention, I think the running game is going to be moderately better (a hunch), and I think he tries to get ahead of teams using play action, and then will grind it out on the ground and "play it safe". I think we'll see a lot of 3-14 point victories with this philosophy.

The problem with Kubes philosophy is when more explosive teams like NE get a good lead on the Texans, it totally takes Kubes and the whole offense out of rhythm and the play action game, which is their bread and butter and it becomes completely moot. This has not been a successful come from behind offense, using 3 and 4 wides. MAYBE that changes some this year, but I have my doubts.

If other teams want a blueprint on beating the Texans it's to get them off the play action game by any means necessary. Many teams cannot - but some can (see GB, NO, and NE as examples)

Lucky
09-04-2013, 12:48 PM
I think we'll see a lot of 3-14 point victories with this philosophy.
I'm OK with "a lot" of victories, no matter what the score or philosophy is. And I promise not to complain about the play calling if the Texans win the last game of the NFL season

76Texan
09-04-2013, 01:04 PM
That's an awesome site, what's interesting is how much more the texans run the ball on 3 long distance > 8 yards, we are 10% more likely than the rest of the entire NFL to run the ball.

I don't like how wonger presents his facts, but he's right about one thing, Gary plays it way too safe most of the time for me. He's going to have to start being more aggressive on offense for us to win a championship, we have all seen our team get teams down, only to let off the gas instead of just continuing to beat them into submission.

Well, if you take out the situations that the Texans were inside their own 10 on those plays, you will find that the Texans are closer to the norm.

It's hard to fault a HC to run the ball a little more inside his team's own ten.
Sure, their conversion rate was some 5% lower than the rest of the league, but on the other hand, they had no negative play.

The rest of the league endured a 5.6% failure rate that includes sacks, fumbles, and interceptions.

Kubiak is smarter than some think.
I've been saying that he's a percentage-football HC.
He doesn't want the team to beat itself.

There are a couple of interesting situations that AdvancedNFLStats.com presents that further illustrate this point. I'll get to it later.

infantrycak
09-04-2013, 02:24 PM
I think we'll see a lot of 3-14 point victories with this philosophy.

Not sure where people get their perceptions. 14+ point victories are killing someone. Winning by less than a TD would be a much more realistic examination and even that isn't an accurate indicator of conservative offense when you hang 45 pts on someone but they score 43 pts. Plus the Texans are in line with some pretty dynamic/successful teams on 14+ pt. victories.

14+ pt. victories

Texans 6
Patriots 7
Green Bay 3
Broncos 6
Ravens 3

76Texan
09-04-2013, 02:35 PM
Here's a link to a study done by Brian Burke at AdvancedNFLStats.com
(This guy is really a stat guru - TexanMike, give me your opinion on him if you happen to read this post.)

http://www.advancednflstats.com/2009/11/offenses-run-too-often-on-1st-down.html?m=1

Basically, his study shows that it's more beneficial to run on first down inside the 10 yard line on either side of the end zones.
This was exactly what Kubiak did. He gave the Texans a higher percentage to be successful in these downs and distance.

In between the 10s, it's more efficient to pass.
Here, the Texans adhere to the norm.
However, for a team that gears itself toward a balance game, and the fact that the Texans were in position to run out the clock (toward the end of either half), a draw still means that the Texans were actually ahead of the curve.

76Texan
09-04-2013, 03:03 PM
The next link to the same website presents another study.

http://www.advancednflstats.com/2009/12/run-pass-imbalance-on-2nd-and-3rd-downs.html?m=1

The first part of this study shows that between the 20s, in the first and third quarter, it's most benificial to throw the ball on 2nd and 10.
Here, the Texans were only slightly ahead of the curve (again, for a balanced team, it means they are ahead.)

The difference is in the success rate and the rate of negative plays.
The Texans were head and shoulder above the rest of the league.
(Sorry, there isn't an easy way to demonstrate the stats.)
This reflects the type of pass that was called and the ability to execute the play called.

In any case, the Texans were well ahead of the class in this regard.
I read these articles during the off-season, and it only further enhanced my thought about Kubiak as a high-percentage offensive mind.

76Texan
09-04-2013, 03:17 PM
The second part is self explanatory.
Running on third down (again, best to use first and third quarter stats) is the clear choice for success.

People lambasted Kubiak for this, but league-wide results clearly demonstrate which is the best play call for these down and distances.

thunderkyss
09-04-2013, 07:27 PM
I still don't think Kubiak is as conservative as he is perceived to be. Matt Schaub gets a play, he looks over the defense, & chooses to change to a run/draw. If he gets just one receiver he can depend on, to add to Andre & OD I think he'll stick with his pass play.

If Posey can become another dependable receiver or KMart.... It's going to look like we've got a whole knew Kubiak because we're going to run the score up on e'erbody.

Hottoddie
09-04-2013, 08:11 PM
The second part is self explanatory.
Running on third down (again, best to use first and third quarter stats) is the clear choice for success.

People lambasted Kubiak for this, but league-wide results clearly demonstrate which is the best play call for these down and distances.

Keep up the good posts. It's nice to see someone post with stats that back up their argument. I guess there are some people that just can't change or accept that the target of their attacks has actually been doing a great job.

silvrhand
09-04-2013, 10:08 PM
Well, if you take out the situations that the Texans were inside their own 10 on those plays, you will find that the Texans are closer to the norm.

It's hard to fault a HC to run the ball a little more inside his team's own ten.
Sure, their conversion rate was some 5% lower than the rest of the league, but on the other hand, they had no negative play.

The rest of the league endured a 5.6% failure rate that includes sacks, fumbles, and interceptions.

Kubiak is smarter than some think.
I've been saying that he's a percentage-football HC.
He doesn't want the team to beat itself.

There are a couple of interesting situations that AdvancedNFLStats.com presents that further illustrate this point. I'll get to it later.

Exactly playing not to lose is his main strategy.. which I 100% disagree with, he plays the percentages too much and IMHO, put your players in the best spot to make great plays, and allow them to grow, not hinder.

OzzO
09-05-2013, 07:14 AM
Peter Schrager thinks Texans over Falcons (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/preseason-cheat-sheet-2013-predictions-houston-texans-will-win-super-bowl-083013) because of Schaub, not Foster or Watt

and he thinks we start it by week one...
Houston at San Diego: When I sat down with Watt earlier this summer, he said he was “itching” for Week 1 and expects to feel like a dog let out of a cage when the game begins. I’m horrified just typing that. Houston’s no joke this year and Watt could make a run at the Defensive Player of the Year award. They’ll get the job done in a late Monday night game I will be watching with various stimulants (coffee, Red Bull, 5-Hour Energy) inside of me. Giddy up. The Pick: Texans 30, Chargers 16

thunderkyss
09-05-2013, 08:31 AM
Peter Schrager thinks Texans over Falcons (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/preseason-cheat-sheet-2013-predictions-houston-texans-will-win-super-bowl-083013) because of Schaub, not Foster or Watt

3. Matt Schaub (and the Texans) will get over the hump: Put Schaub’s numbers up against Brees’ from the past five years. Somehow, some way, they’re eerily similar. Schaub’s been fantastic, and yet, you’d be hard-pressed finding anyone outside of the Texans organization who’d put him in the same breath as Brees, Rodgers, Brady, or any of the other 15 quarterbacks usually listed before him. This is the season Schaub earns the respect. How? By beating the big dogs and winning big games. Houston’s my pick out of the AFC and Schaub — not J.J. Watt or Arian Foster — is the reason why. More on the Texans in a bit.

10. The Houston Texans will beat the Atlanta Falcons in Super Bowl XLVIII: I like teams that have tasted the playoffs, gotten through a round or two, and came up short. The Ravens in 2012. The Packers in 2010. The Colts in 2006. I’m all about the squads that got there, but not all the way. This year’s teams that fit the profile are Houston and Atlanta. Both teams won playoff games in 2012, but fell short. Both teams improved over the offseason. Are you ready for a Matt Ryan-Matt Schaub Super Bowl? The Matt Bowl? Sure you are. Give me Schaub and the Texans in a 23-20 battle in the Meadowlands on Feb. 2.

I'll have what he's having.

silvrhand
09-05-2013, 01:06 PM
I'll have what he's having.

Agree, I'll have what he's having but..

- we have to win the games against lower quality teams (we are doing that now)
- we need to win late in the year (we still slip late, a lot)
- we need Schaub to show that he's just not going to be denied, just get it done is what it comes down to.
- Kubiak must stop playing the %'s and let his players win the game, not keep them from losing it. (anyone seen moneyball?)

76Texan
09-05-2013, 01:14 PM
Agree, I'll have what he's having but..

- we have to win the games against lower quality teams (we are doing that now)
- we need to win late in the year (we still slip late, a lot)
- we need Schaub to show that he's just not going to be denied, just get it done is what it comes down to.
- Kubiak must stop playing the %'s and let his players win the game, not keep them from losing it. (anyone seen moneyball?)

The problem is that was how the Texans lost to the Pats in the play-offs.
They came out swinging but can only manage a FG.

It was when Kubiak came back to the balance approach that the Texans scored a TD.

When Kubiak let Schaub loose again, he threw the INT that pretty much seal the game for the Pats.

The Broncos had freaking Elway at QB, and they won their two SBs on the strength of Terrell Davis, remember?

thunderkyss
09-05-2013, 01:46 PM
Agree, I'll have what he's having but..

- we have to win the games against lower quality teams (we are doing that now)
- we need to win late in the year (we still slip late, a lot)
- we need Schaub to show that he's just not going to be denied, just get it done is what it comes down to.
- Kubiak must stop playing the %'s and let his players win the game, not keep them from losing it. (anyone seen moneyball?)



The Broncos had freaking Elway at QB, and they won their two SBs on the strength of Terrell Davis, remember?

Sometimes it's funny when we think we know what we know. Not disagreeing with either of your posts, they were both solid.

But I remember the Ravens a few years back were so "thrilled" that they had won the division & were going to host a play-off game with a bye-week, as if that's what was missing. Then last year they're playing WC weekend & win it all.

Then we're talking about franchise QBs & the need for one... Dan Marino was thrown out there, definitely a franchise QB, as well as Warren Moon & Randall Cunningham, etc... & like '76 says. Elway didn't win one until he had Terrell Davis (& Shannon Sharp, & Ed McCaffery, & a bunch of others)......

Either way, it's fun to watch.

76Texan
09-05-2013, 03:00 PM
Here's a recap of Kubiak's "failure to let them play", "play to lose":


On 2nd and 7 @ Pats 9, Casey dropped Schaub's pass; it could have been an easy TD.

On 3rd down, with a clean pocket, Schaub threw behind AJ; he might have been worried about McCourty coming from the other side to lay wood on AJ.
Maybe, just maybe, Schaub was hoping that AJ would be on the same page and cut his route short.

FG.

....

On 2nd and 10 @ Pats 49, Schaub threw a side-line pass to AJ that went as an incompletion near the first down marker.
AJ could be seen complaining to the ref that Talib held him.

On third down, Wade Smith failed to get a block on Wilfork; Brown had to took him on.
That left Ninkovich in free off the edge.
With no time to wait, Schaub had to settle for OD who could only gain five.

Punt

...

On 2nd and 8, the Texans set up a funnel screen for AJ; Talib played it well and broke up the pass.
Schaub had no other option because his linemen all went out to screen-block for AJ.
It could have been called a PI as Talib hit AJ just a hair before the ball arrived.

On third down, Schaub threw a quick slant to Foster that was a tad low and behind (but catchable);
it would have been a first down if Foster managed to pull in that low ball.

Punt

...

2nd quarter

On 2nd and 10 @ Texans 47, Wilfork beat W Smith; Schaub hurried a throw just over OD's head.
That could have been at least a fifteen-to-seventeen-yard gain.

On third down, Schaub got flushed out of the pocket as the Texans had no check down route.
He threw a near-miss to OD on the side line against good coverage by the safety Wilson.

Punt.

...

On first and 10 @ Pats 46, Schaub's attempt to OD was well defended by the safety Wilson again.

On 2nd down, the Texans set up a receiver screen on either side (AJ on one side, and Posey on the other).
The Pats played both sides very well. Posey was tackled immediately for a loss of two.

On 3rd and 12, Schaub went quickly to Graham on a short pass that gained only five.
None of the receivers was open early.
Once again, the young safety Wilson played very well; he closed quickly and cut Graham down low.
If he had tried to tackle Graham, the TE could very well break it.
Schaub couldn't wait because 50, 54, and 95 were converging on him.

Punt

....

After a 35-yd return by Manning, five straight runs by Foster netted the Texans their first TD to draw within 7.

Then with 24 secs left in the half and the Pats playing prevent defense, Schaub managed to bring the Texans close enough for Graham's successful 55-yd FG to trail by just 4 at the half.

...

The Pats scored first in the second half to get out to an 11 point lead.

Foster gained 6 before OD lost a yard on a quick TE screen.
Schaub had no choice because Ninkovich was optioned and would have creamed him.
Mayo pulled the ball out of OD's hands and the Pats recovered.
Luckily for the Texans, the refs already called OD down on forward progress.
Otherwise, the Pats would have had the ball at the Texans 23.

On third and five, the Texans decided to pass again.
Newton got beat off the edge; Schaub stepped up the pocket but he chose the wrong side of the field to scramble out of.
Being pressured, Schaub panicked and threw the ball away.
Had Schaub kept his cool, he still had a chance downfield.
Or had Schaub climbed the other side of the field, where he had all his blockers, he would have a first down for sure.

Punt.

...

The Texans got the ball back, still trailing by 11.

On 2nd and 8, the Texans chose to pass.
With W. Smith getting beat again, Schaub had no choice but to dump the ball off to Foster who could muster just a yard.

On third and 7, Schaub was hurried and threw an INT to Ninkovich.
The pocket was collapsing with Brown getting beat off the edge; W. Smith losing his balance right in front of Schaub's eyes, and Newton also getting pushed back.

...

The Pats went on to score another TD to lead by 18 by the end of the third quarter.
The game was over when the Texans couldn't convert the next drive with three consecutive passes and the Pats scored another TD right afterward.

...

So, how was it that Kubiak didn't let them play???

76Texan
09-05-2013, 03:07 PM
Sometimes it's funny when we think we know what we know. Not disagreeing with either of your posts, they were both solid.

But I remember the Ravens a few years back were so "thrilled" that they had won the division & were going to host a play-off game with a bye-week, as if that's what was missing. Then last year they're playing WC weekend & win it all.

Then we're talking about franchise QBs & the need for one... Dan Marino was thrown out there, definitely a franchise QB, as well as Warren Moon & Randall Cunningham, etc... & like '76 says. Elway didn't win one until he had Terrell Davis (& Shannon Sharp, & Ed McCaffery, & a bunch of others)......

Either way, it's fun to watch.

The natives are always restless. :swatter:

thunderkyss
09-05-2013, 04:39 PM
The natives are always restless. :swatter:

Remember this play (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/0ap2000000100752/WK-12-Can-t-Miss-Play-Resilient-Rice-s-fourth-down-conversion)? That makes Flacco elite. If it were Schaub, that would have been Kubiak being conservative handcuffing the offense.

Corrosion
09-06-2013, 12:24 AM
Why the Texans will not win a championship this season - Peyton Manning.


Man I hate that guy .... but wish he played for the Texans.

silvrhand
09-06-2013, 07:53 AM
Here's a recap of Kubiak's "failure to let them play", "play to lose":

So, how was it that Kubiak didn't let them play???

blah blah blah..

You guys use one game over a mirage of years of watching Kubiak coach... I don't know you guys get lost in a single image of a game you think I'm talking about over years of us watching him go into a shell game.

How many times have we seen them come out ahead of teams, and then try to pound the ball to run time off the clock, get into a bad 3rd and long only to run the bootleg/draw yet again..

Come on guys.. get your head out of the stats of a game that we got out coached.. Our offensive line was getting destroyed by wilfork, again, and again, and oh yah again..

HOU-TEX
09-06-2013, 08:32 AM
Why the Texans will not win a championship this season - Peyton Manning.


Man I hate that guy .... but wish he played for the Texans.

Dude's just surgical, man. He'll attack a weakness until you fix it. Then he'll find another weakness and attack it, etc.

76Texan
09-06-2013, 09:22 AM
Dude's just surgical, man. He'll attack a weakness until you fix it. Then he'll find another weakness and attack it, etc.

Yeah, but he also one-hopper a pass that was called a completion.
If the Ravens challenged that call, it would have been a total different game.

MistaRed
09-06-2013, 09:25 AM
Too many Texans fans complaining. Either support the team or dont. Just my opinion.

DX-TEX
09-06-2013, 09:26 AM
Why the Texans will not win a championship this season - Peyton Manning.


Man I hate that guy .... but wish he played for the Texans.

I was wondering when this would be brought up here. According to the talking heads and other message boards the rest of the AFC should not even bother showing up after 1 game in week 1. Know what the Ravens D reminded me of? US at the end of last season.....lost, confused tired.

The VERY reason Ed reed was brought in and why most of us are so damn excited for Cushing to return. I am NOT scared of the Broncos or Manning!

HOU-TEX
09-06-2013, 09:33 AM
Yeah, but he also one-hopper a pass that was called a completion.
If the Ravens challenged that call, it would have been a total different game.

Possibly, but who was it that had the Broncos already lined up to run the next play and ran it before Harbaugh could do anything?

DX-TEX
09-06-2013, 09:34 AM
Possibly, but who was it that had the Broncos already lined up to run the next play and ran it before Harbaugh could do anything?

There was plenty of time. PLENTY. The Ravens just blew it.

76Texan
09-06-2013, 09:40 AM
Possibly, but who was it that had the Broncos already lined up to run the next play and ran it before Harbaugh could do anything?

Keenum does it all the time at UH; let's put him in. :wild:

76Texan
09-06-2013, 09:41 AM
There was plenty of time. PLENTY. The Ravens just blew it.

Absolutely.

silvrhand
09-06-2013, 09:59 AM
Too many Texans fans complaining. Either support the team or dont. Just my opinion.

I fully support the tem and have, as a fan I have a right to an opinion on what i think will make this team better and get them to the superbowl. Come Sunday I'm in the stands yelling, screaming and fighting to help my team.

Rey
09-06-2013, 10:12 AM
There was plenty of time. PLENTY. The Ravens just blew it.

There was enough time, but you put a lot more pressure on teams when you rush to get the next play off vs taking your time and letting them really wrap their head around the situation.

76Texan
09-06-2013, 10:35 AM
There was enough time, but you put a lot more pressure on teams when you rush to get the next play off vs taking your time and letting them really wrap their head around the situation.

That's one thing I really like about Keenum.
I've seen him so many times getting all the guys lined up before the ref can even get the ball ready.
Also, when he sees that the defense isn't ready, he would call for the snap and take advantage of the situation right away, every single time.
Dude is smart as heck.

You wonder why he broke all 'em records, those are a few reasons.

Corrosion
09-06-2013, 10:37 AM
Dude's just surgical, man. He'll attack a weakness until you fix it. Then he'll find another weakness and attack it, etc.

To put last night in perspective , the last time a QB threw for 7 TD's .... I was One year old. The last time A QB threw for 7 TD's and no INT's .... Thorn was in diapers. :corrosion:

Too many Texans fans complaining. Either support the team or dont. Just my opinion.

Im not complaining .... Just stating the obvious. Peyton Manning is that much better a QB than .... everyone else.

I was wondering when this would be brought up here. According to the talking heads and other message boards the rest of the AFC should not even bother showing up after 1 game in week 1. Know what the Ravens D reminded me of? US at the end of last season.....lost, confused tired.

The VERY reason Ed reed was brought in and why most of us are so damn excited for Cushing to return. I am NOT scared of the Broncos or Manning!

I have to wonder if the Bronco's played their best game .... or are the Ravens that bad ?! They sure didn't help themselves at all. It was like the wheels fell off to open the second half giving up 21 points in just under 6 minutes.

The "incomplete pass" was the play we all remember as the beginning of the sh!tstorm .... but I think where the game changed was on the Ravens TD where Oher got hurt. They were never the same after that & Denver was able to stop the run and pressure Flacco at will. They went three and out on their first three possessions to open the second half ... with a blocked punt.



Prior to this game I thought the Bronco's OL was highly questionable and Manning made them look above average. Im not sure if it was the Bronco's playing so well , or ineptitude on the part of the Ravens pass rush. If Manning gets that kind of time thruout the season .... its going to be a long year for the rest of the AFC.


I hope the Ravens are .... just that bad.


I think the Texans will have to play their absolute best to beat that team .....

speedfreek
09-06-2013, 10:45 AM
What I've noticed (and also 76 pointed out above) is that Schaub,
himself, lacks confidence in his own mobility.

As soon as he can sense the pocket becoming unstable (whether
it truly is or not) he starts to forego his usual decision making process
and look to get rid of the ball.

This has led to some errant passes (overthrow/underthrow) and
just flat out bad decisions (forced INT's, throwing short of
the marker on 3rd down, etc.)

If he gets pressure early in a game, he gets antsy for the remainder
of the game, and his play gets super shaky -- whether he is actually
taking hits or not. (really obvious to me in the horrible loss at home
to the Vikings last year)

If I were his QB coach I would literally get all of the human factors
studies available showing how to improve peripheral vision. If Schaub
could just develop a "side step" skill, he would be much better in the
pocket

-- after all, our O-line play hasn't been nearly as terrible as some folks
think. Certainly not as bad as what Dallas and Pitt have had to deal with.

TJ

Corrosion
09-06-2013, 12:15 PM
What I've noticed (and also 76 pointed out above) is that Schaub,
himself, lacks confidence in his own mobility.

As soon as he can sense the pocket becoming unstable (whether
it truly is or not) he starts to forego his usual decision making process
and look to get rid of the ball.

This has led to some errant passes (overthrow/underthrow) and
just flat out bad decisions (forced INT's, throwing short of
the marker on 3rd down, etc.)

If he gets pressure early in a game, he gets antsy for the remainder
of the game, and his play gets super shaky -- whether he is actually
taking hits or not. (really obvious to me in the horrible loss at home
to the Vikings last year)

If I were his QB coach I would literally get all of the human factors
studies available showing how to improve peripheral vision. If Schaub
could just develop a "side step" skill, he would be much better in the
pocket

-- after all, our O-line play hasn't been nearly as terrible as some folks
think. Certainly not as bad as what Dallas and Pitt have had to deal with.

TJ

Schaub is the definition of a game manager .... When everything around him is right , he can make the correct decisions and deliver the ball generally on target.

Its when things break down around him that .... Schaub breaks down.

I think over the years this has been proven true as when he's faced lesser teams , they have in general taken care of business & when they faced teams that can take him out of his comfort zone , Schaub has folded like a cheap umbrella.


For Schaub , the running game has to work , play action has to be effective and the OL has to keep him clean - Those things happen , this team can beat anyone. Those things don't happen ... and its not likely they win.

legacy_gt
09-06-2013, 10:59 PM
If I were his QB coach I would literally get all of the human factors
studies available showing how to improve peripheral vision. If Schaub
could just develop a "side step" skill, he would be much better in the
pocket



at this point, you cannot and will not improve peripheral vision.