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76Texan
08-20-2013, 04:04 PM
C.Sturgis kicks 65 yards from MIA 35 to end zone, Touchback.
Houston Texans at 0:43

1-10-HST 20 (:43) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass short middle to D.Hopkins to HST 33 for 13 yards (J.Wilson). P8


1-10-HST 33 (:05) D.Karim left tackle to HST 38 for 5 yards (A.Spitler)
Dolphins attacked the wrong gaps, making it easy for the Texans O-line to block.
A better block by Hopkins would have sprung Karim for yards.
Nothing special by Karim here.
Outside zone run with LT blocking in.

Second Quarter

2-5-HST 38 (15:00) D.Karim right guard to HST 44 for 6 yards (A.Spitler). R9
Good blocking by all, again, making it easy for Karim.


1-10-HST 44 (14:21) C.Keenum pass short left to K.Martin to MIA 47 for 9 yards (D.Patterson).


2-1-MIA 47 (13:42) De.Johnson right end to MIA 49 for -2 yards (K.Randall, K.McCray).
Quiz looked really bad and Newton was also losing ground.
Absolutely nowhere for DJ to go.
This could have been a five yards loss, but DJ fought hard to lose just two.

3-3-MIA 49 (13:00) C.Keenum pass incomplete short middle to K.Martin.


4-3-MIA 49 (12:53) A.Shapiro punts 37 yards to MIA 12, Center-J.Weeks, fair catch by M.Thigpen.

76Texan
08-20-2013, 04:06 PM
MIA 14 HST 14, 11 plays, 78 yards, 4:46 drive, 11:01 elapsed

C.Sturgis kicks 73 yards from MIA 35 to HST -8. De.Johnson, Touchback.

Houston Texans at 3:59

1-10-HST 20 (3:59) C.Keenum pass incomplete deep right.


2-10-HST 20 (3:51) D.Karim left tackle to HST 21 for 1 yard (D.Shelby).
Brooks missed the cut block and dove forward into the heel of the C White.
This caught him totally off-balance and got pushed back by the DT.
The other DT (whom Brooks was supposed to block) squeezed the gap, limiting the room Karim had to run through.

3-9-HST 21 (3:09) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass deep middle to A.Lemon to HST 41 for 20 yards (W.Davis). P12


1-10-HST 41 (2:37) (Shotgun) PENALTY on HST-A.Gardner, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at HST 41 - No Play.


1-15-HST 36 (2:21) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass incomplete short right to A.Lemon (D.Shelby).


2-15-HST 36 (2:18) (Shotgun) De.Johnson up the middle to HST 39 for 3 yards (D.Shelby).
Jones was so-so on his block (no push) while Brooks was too wide in his stance on the seal block.
This closed up the gap for the lead blocker to get through.
Graham, who lined up as the H-back, had to slow down to avoid stepping on Brook's leg.
By this time, the DT was able to disengage from Jones' block to tackle DJ.
DJ worked hard to gain an extra yard, yard and a half.

Two-Minute Warning

3-12-HST 39 (2:00) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass short left to K.Martin to HST 43 for 4 yards (J.Taylor).


Timeout #1 by MIA at 01:49.


4-8-HST 43 (1:49) A.Shapiro punts 48 yards to MIA 9, Center-J.Weeks, fair catch by C.Bumphis.

76Texan
08-20-2013, 04:07 PM
Houston Texans at 0:48

1-10-HST 49 (:48) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass short left to G.Graham to MIA 44 for 7 yards (J.Kaddu).


2-3-MIA 44 (:30) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass short right to De.Johnson to MIA 39 for 5 yards (N.Carroll, T.Robertson). P13
With pressure right in his face, Keenum quickly dumped off a pass to DJ, who dragged the tackler for another 4 yards.


Timeout #2 by HST at 00:22.
1-10-MIA 39 (:22) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass short right to A.Lemon pushed ob at MIA 28 for 11 yards (N.Carroll). P14


1-10-MIA 28 (:17) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass incomplete deep right to A.Lemon.


2-10-MIA 28 (:12) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass incomplete deep right to A.Lemon.


3-10-MIA 28 (:06) R.Bullock 46 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Weeks, Holder-S.Lechler

MIA 14 HST 17, 6 plays, 23 yards, 0:47 drive, 14:59 elapsed

76Texan
08-20-2013, 04:08 PM
Third Quarter


Houston Texans at 13:33

1-10-HST 20 (13:33) D.Karim up the middle to HST 21 for 1 yard (T.Okpalaugo).
RG White and RT Harris got no push on the double-team (that's bad).
Still, Karim needed to pick a hole and just plow through it instead of running into White's back.
He could have pick up a yard or two more.

2-9-HST 21 (12:57) C.Keenum pass short left to T.Clutts to HST 37 for 16 yards (W.Davis). P15


1-10-HST 37 (12:19) D.Karim left guard to HST 34 for -3 yards (A.Francis).
Not sure where Karim's aiming point is supposed to be on this play.
It was in 12 personnel and there were two double-teams on the back side.
One would think the runner would need to get ready for the cut back immediately,
especially since Jones was blocking his man to the front side.
Looks like Karim may have widen himself to much at the outset,
he wasn't able to cut back properly.
Perhaps Jones needed to be better at his block, too (???)
Even with the poor double-team by the two TEs on the back side,
there was a lot of room here.

2-13-HST 34 (11:39) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass incomplete short right to L.Jean (T.Robertson).


3-13-HST 34 (11:33) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass deep right to G.Graham to MIA 48 for 18 yards (J.Kovacs, J.Kaddu).


PENALTY on HST-G.Graham, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at HST 34 - No Play.

3-23-HST 24 (11:04) (Shotgun) D.Karim up the middle to HST 33 for 9 yards (T.Robertson).
It was 3rd and 23 so the Dolphins dropped back into coverage, giving the Texans and Karim plenty of room to run through.
They didn't mind a 9-yd run.
Nothing special by Karim here.

4-14-HST 33 (10:31) A.Shapiro punts 42 yards to MIA 25, Center-J.Weeks. C.Bumphis to MIA 29 for 4 yards (E.Mack).

76Texan
08-20-2013, 04:08 PM
Houston Texans at 8:56

1-10-HST 20 (8:56) D.Karim right tackle to HST 33 for 13 yards (J.Posey; L.Robinson). R16
Excellent job by the Texans around the POA on this wide zone run to the right.
Graham with a great seal block on the edge.
Nice job by Harris pulling to the outside to decimate one of the OLB.
Good jobs most everywhere by the blockers.
Too easy for the runner.

1-10-HST 33 (8:20) D.Karim left end to MIA 48 for 19 yards (R.Stanford). R17
Nice jump by Graham at the beginning, giving the LT Gardner and the RG Quiz
plenty of room to pull to the outside to block at the second level.
Good blocks downfield by Jean, and especially KMart.
Not a knock on Karim, but I think Foster would likely score a TD here.

1-10-MIA 48 (7:40) D.Karim up the middle to MIA 44 for 4 yards (T.Okpalaugo).
Good blocking by the Texans everywhere, but too much dancing by Karim here.
Had he hit the hole immediately, he would have gained at least 3 or 4 more yards.

2-6-MIA 44 (7:00) T.Yates pass short middle to K.Martin to MIA 33 for 11 yards (D.Jones). P18


1-10-MIA 33 (6:26) T.Yates pass short left to G.Graham for 33 yards, TOUCHDOWN. P19


R.Bullock extra point is GOOD, Center-J.Weeks, Holder-S.Lechler

76Texan
08-20-2013, 04:09 PM
Did I get any of those plays wrong?

Discuss.

badboy
08-20-2013, 04:13 PM
I think this is as important as back up QB. I'd like to see Tate traded with Foster, Wood and Karim on roster.

76Texan
08-20-2013, 04:40 PM
I think this is as important as back up QB. I'd like to see Tate traded with Foster, Wood and Karim on roster.

Before Karim arrived I picked DJ and Wood in the UDFA game.
My take was that those guys might either make the team or the PS.

Wood needs to improve on his blocking (from what I saw on film and from what I heard from the practices) to have a chance.

DJ has been really good at this; I think he and Karim are the two front runners in this battle.

I don't mind trading Tate, but it seems such a waste to do that.

infantrycak
08-20-2013, 04:51 PM
Wow, talk about blatantly biased.

76Texan
08-20-2013, 05:00 PM
Wow, talk about blatantly biased.

Thank you for the in depth discussion!

CloakNNNdagger
08-20-2013, 05:10 PM
Tate didn't look so good last game. "Groins" (adductors) tend to be chronic problems, ala. Brooks Reed, Bullock and JJo.

Playoffs
08-20-2013, 05:12 PM
Did I get any of those plays wrong?

Discuss.

I'm not sure why you posted what you posted. How does "3-10-MIA 28 (:06) R.Bullock 46 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Weeks, Holder-S.Lechler" affect the backup RB battle?

76Texan
08-20-2013, 06:53 PM
I'm not sure why you posted what you posted. How does "3-10-MIA 28 (:06) R.Bullock 46 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Weeks, Holder-S.Lechler" affect the backup RB battle?

Oh, I just copied the whole gamebook into notepad so I can make a note of each play whenever I have a chance to watch the game, a bit at a time.

@Icak,
I have no reason to be biased against myself.
In the college and mock draft forums, I and a couple of other "draftniks" were eying Cierre Wood with a late round pick for the Texans.

And I'm leaning toward Karim now.

How does a that make me biased???

infantrycak
08-20-2013, 07:10 PM
How does a that make me biased???

Your commentary goes like this:

CJ - it is anyone's fault but CJ.
Karim - it is anyone's credit but Karim.

76Texan
08-20-2013, 07:15 PM
Your commentary goes like this:

CJ - it is anyone's fault but CJ.
Karim - it is anyone's credit but Karim.

Re-read post #2 and post #4 (the first play of the second half).

I just call it as I see it.
If people see it differently on any of the plays, they are welcomed to post their viewpoint.

badboy
08-20-2013, 08:11 PM
Back to discussing RBs, I watched Wood last year every chance after spot checking him before '12. I had him in rounds 5-6 but was disappointed when he was not drafted. When ND coach moved another back ahead of him, he just kept on. 7 yd per carry IIRC & I was excited when he signed with Houston. Johnson good in TC not so much Wood and then reversal in preseason. Karim is strong with killer speed & needs to run as if he does not want to go back to parking cars. Interesting link: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=85880&draftyear=2010&genpos=rb

amazing80
08-20-2013, 08:14 PM
Gonna keep banging this drum, Ray graham is the best back out of the bunch and he isn't getting the looks he deserves. Karim is a one trick pony, run fast. Dennis Johnson lacks vision IMO, Wood is good. Tate is crap. Thats my IN DEPTH discussion.


:bravo:

PapaL
08-20-2013, 08:19 PM
Gonna keep banging this drum, Ray graham is the best back out of the bunch and he isn't getting the looks he deserves. Karim is a one trick pony, run fast. Dennis Johnson lacks vision IMO, Wood is good. Tate is crap. Thats my IN DEPTH discussion.


:bravo:

How's he doing at practice? RB for us is much much more than running the ball. Can't block, won't play. I'm sure the font play him and stash him on PS argument card will be played but humor me.

76Texan
08-20-2013, 08:23 PM
All we know is that in the last conference call, Kubiak said that nobody has separated himself.

(on evaluating the rookie free agent running backs) “Well, I don’t think anybody has separated themselves. I think I said last night, there’s something about (RB) Deji (Karim) that’s very trusting. He’s played a little bit of football in the NFL. He does everything right. He’s helping (special teams coordinator) Joe (Marciano) on special teams. I think, if anything, he’s probably a little ahead of the other guys, probably just from experience. (RB Dennis) Johnson has shown some signs, has practiced extremely well. It hasn’t transferred to the field the way I’d like it to, but there has been some good things. He’s excellent in his pass protection. Last night, not much happened in the run game and then he turns the ball over, which obviously you can’t do. We’re going to continue to give him opportunities because it’s been an excellent camp. (RB Cierre) Wood’s got a lot of talent. He’s inconsistent in what he’s doing. He’s got to play better for Joe on special teams. Those guys have got to sort it out for us and they’re going to get a great deal of time here over the next two weeks.”

Basically, he saw it just like I do.

powda
08-21-2013, 11:10 PM
Karim is probably best in pass pro and as a vet he has experience. He's probably the most dependable of the bunch and was a viable fantasy football commodity just a year back with mjd's issues.

Johnson is the speedster of the bunch with reliable hands and more value then anyone else as a return man.

I think c wood has the highest ceiling of the bunch and have been most impressed with him.

Dont know anything about the 4th guy but this will be one of the toughest roster cuts on the team. Texans did a great job in the udfa market here.

ObsiWan
08-22-2013, 02:20 AM
I guess the question is which two do we keep. Yeah, I see one as part of the 53 and one on the P/S.

Even with his disappointing game time performance - when running - D.J. seems to be better at recognizing and picking up blitzes in pass protect. C. Wood seems to have the better vision and one-cut ability. Although Karim isn't but a hair behind him. And, as A80 said, Graham hasn't had sufficient game time carries to make a fair assessment; he must not be doing enough in practice to earn said game time carries. Need help from those who are at practice for some insight.

So which two??

False Start
08-22-2013, 08:50 AM
Wood has impressed me a lot more than any of the other backs we have seen so far in the preseason.

PapaL
08-22-2013, 09:06 AM
As bad as the Steelers are banged up at RB, I could see our guys not clearing waivers for PS.

HouTx11
08-23-2013, 03:08 PM
I have been the most impressed with Wood and Karim. My feeling is that Karim will be our #3 due to his play and his experience.

I would love for the Texans to make Wood #3 or #4, but my feeling on this is that he and the rest of them will be waived. My guess right now is that it will be Foster/Tate/Karim on the roster.

Somebody will grab Wood from the waiver wire. Not sure who, but I definitely see this happening. It has happened before.

Playoffs
08-23-2013, 03:26 PM
As bad as the Steelers are banged up at RB, I could see our guys not clearing waivers for PS.
Steelers just acquired Felix Jones, but I expect we will lose an RB off the PS and I expect Kubiak/Smith will get on the telephones trying to find places for these RBs who came to camp but are not in our plans. Talented group.

HouTx11
08-23-2013, 05:58 PM
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The Pencil Neck
08-23-2013, 06:08 PM
I have been the most impressed with Wood and Karim. My feeling is that Karim will be our #3 due to his play and his experience.

I would love for the Texans to make Wood #3 or #4, but my feeling on this is that he and the rest of them will be waived. My guess right now is that it will be Foster/Tate/Karim on the roster.

Somebody will grab Wood from the waiver wire. Not sure who, but I definitely see this happening. It has happened before.

... :)

Yeah. I don't think that Kubiak likes Wood as much as the rest of us do. I'm not sure why that is. It might be that he doesn't practice very well and to get a chance with Kubiak, you've got to be a professional who gets his business done on the practice field.

Judging from when different guys have been seeing the field, I think the depth chart as of the LAST preseason game was:

1. Foster
2. Tate
3. Karim
4. Dennis Johnson
5. Cierre Wood
6. Ray Graham.

From what I've been seeing, it really looks like they prefer Dennis Johnson and I suspect he's actually been the one that's been the best on the practice field.

Unless something strange happens, I expect Foster/Tate/Karim to start the season as our RBs and I expect them to try to slip DJ and/or Wood to the PS. I think Graham is out which is sad because I think he's a pretty talented guy who just hasn't gotten enough touches.

Grams
08-23-2013, 06:14 PM
I don't think Dennis Johnson has looked that speedy on the field. I also don't think he has gotten many rushing yards.

I also don't think Ben Tate has looked that good in preseason.

I would rather see Wood and Karim as the ones that make the team

thunderkyss
08-23-2013, 06:19 PM
I remember when we got Arian & Jeremiah Johnson in training camp.

This feels very similar.

Corrosion
08-23-2013, 06:55 PM
Karim is probably best in pass pro and as a vet he has experience. He's probably the most dependable of the bunch and was a viable fantasy football commodity just a year back with mjd's issues.


We all know how much Gary values the ability to pass protect from the RB spot .... a big part of why Foster didnt get an opportunity before injuries forced it.

Johnson is the speedster of the bunch with reliable hands and more value then anyone else as a return man.

Ive seen a couple instances where DJ put the ball on the turf in practice .... Im not sold on him having the best / most reliable hands of the bunch.

I think c wood has the highest ceiling of the bunch and have been most impressed with him.


Wood reminds me an awful lot of Foster in this scheme .... I agree he has the highest upside of the group. He only got 5 carries Vs the Fish .... It'll be interesting to see how much run he gets in the next two dress rehersals - I have a feeling he doesn't get many touches and they try to hide him on the PS for a year. He looked really good against the Vikes very solid front seven.


I prefer Wood myself because of the upside but I think it comes down to pass protect ability and Karim wins the initial roster spot out of camp.

I don't think Dennis Johnson has looked that speedy on the field. I also don't think he has gotten many rushing yards.

I also don't think Ben Tate has looked that good in preseason.

I would rather see Wood and Karim as the ones that make the team


I wouldn't complain if they moved Tate for a pick now and kept both Karim & Wood.

Then again , Tates value isn't at its peak ....

drs23
08-23-2013, 07:53 PM
... :)

Yeah. I don't think that Kubiak likes Wood as much as the rest of us do. I'm not sure why that is. It might be that he doesn't practice very well and to get a chance with Kubiak, you've got to be a professional who gets his business done on the practice field.

Judging from when different guys have been seeing the field, I think the depth chart as of the LAST preseason game was:

1. Foster
2. Tate
3. Karim
4. Dennis Johnson
5. Cierre Wood
6. Ray Graham.

From what I've been seeing, it really looks like they prefer Dennis Johnson and I suspect he's actually been the one that's been the best on the practice field.

Unless something strange happens, I expect Foster/Tate/Karim to start the season as our RBs and I expect them to try to slip DJ and/or Wood to the PS. I think Graham is out which is sad because I think he's a pretty talented guy who just hasn't gotten enough touches.

From the horse's mouth: Pass pro & not "helping Joe".

I do agree somewhat that there's a chance he could get snagged and not make it through waivers but in the same breath I don't know what other teams have to offer at the RB position that other teams may covet more.

ObsiWan
08-24-2013, 09:10 AM
I remember when we got Arian & Jeremiah Johnson in training camp.

This feels very similar.

I was just thinking the same thing. He's buried on the Broncos' depth chart. I thought he'd be better than that. Turns out J.J. must have been a "system RB". :D

thunderkyss
08-24-2013, 09:16 AM
I was just thinking the same thing. He's buried on the Broncos' depth chart. I thought he'd be better than that. Turns out J.J. must have been a "system RB". :D

Most likely never got his head straight. Imagine if Arian never dedicated himself to the game.

ArlingtonTexan
08-24-2013, 09:39 AM
I am predicting Foster, Tate, Karim on the 53 man. Greg Jones can run the ball some in "break glass in case of emergency" situation.

woods and Johnson have had moments, but not enough. guessing either or both will be on the PS.

Tate is not even being considered to be traded. He is the only back who has had success as an every down player. if you have aspirations of a Superbowl can't run out a career journeyman and a couple of UDFAs.

76Texan
08-24-2013, 10:53 AM
I am predicting Foster, Tate, Karim on the 53 man. Greg Jones can run the ball some in "break glass in case of emergency" situation.

woods and Johnson have had moments, but not enough. guessing either or both will be on the PS.

Tate is not even being considered to be traded. He is the only back who has had success as an every down player. if you have aspirations of a Superbowl can't run out a career journeyman and a couple of UDFAs.

Same mind set as in the other thread.

There have been teams that won the SB with lesser known or unknown RBs at backup.

I'm just going to bring up the Broncos as one example.
In 97, Terrell Davis was a former sixth round draft choice.
His backup Hebron, was an UDFA.

So what did the Broncos do the following year?
They brought in another UDFA, Loville, to add to the mix.

DX-TEX
08-24-2013, 11:10 AM
Last night during the Hawks/Packers game Simms made a comment that made me smile. Stated that in a couple weeks there will be some talent available from the good, deep teams that will have to cut players because they just cant keep everyone.

Weird but it feels good that we are even talking about losing players

ArlingtonTexan
08-24-2013, 12:49 PM
Same mind set as in the other thread.

There have been teams that won the SB with lesser known or unknown RBs at backup.

I'm just going to bring up the Broncos as one example.
In 97, Terrell Davis was a former sixth round draft choice.
His backup Hebron, was an UDFA.

So what did the Broncos do the following year?
They brought in another UDFA, Loville, to add to the mix.

You guys crack up with the exception to the rules posting. I am not even going to bother showing the other 16 years since then that again show teams would rather go with experience than journeymen and unproven guys. My post is based on consistent facts of how teams operate, not going find the once in a blue moon that opposite worked out.

hradhak
08-24-2013, 03:29 PM
If pass protection is a major criteria, Ben Tate should be 3rd on the depth chart. He has been paper to non-existent to as a blocker.

Either way Karim will be the #3 IMO. I think we will PS Wood.

We have a good problem though in that we are pretty deep at this spot

76Texan
08-24-2013, 03:31 PM
You guys crack up with the exception to the rules posting. I am not even going to bother showing the other 16 years since then that again show teams would rather go with experience than journeymen and unproven guys. My post is based on consistent facts of how teams operate, not going find the once in a blue moon that opposite worked out.

It's not an exception that the NFL teams averaged 3 former UDFAs as starters last year.

We're talking about backups, which consist of plenty journeymen and UDFAs.
Just go through the roster of each team and see for yourself how many journeymen and UDFAs at backup RB last year.

You haven't looked up any real numbers in this regard, but I have.

If anything, you crack me up. :)

infantrycak
08-24-2013, 03:54 PM
It's not an exception that the NFL teams averaged 3 former UDFAs as starters last year.

We're talking about backups, which consist of plenty journeymen and UDFAs.
Just go through the roster of each team and see for yourself how many journeymen and UDFAs at backup RB last year.

You haven't looked up any real numbers in this regard, but I have.

If anything, you crack me up. :)

How many of those are QB,WR, RB other than Romo a@nd Marian?

76Texan
08-24-2013, 03:57 PM
How many of those are QB,WR, RB other than Romo a@nd Marian?

Honestly I never look up to see if any QB or WR that served as a backup RB on NFL teams, so I don't know.

What does that have anything to do with the price of tea in China?

infantrycak
08-24-2013, 05:20 PM
Honestly I never look up to see if any QB or WR that served as a backup RB on NFL teams, so I don't know.

What does that have anything to do with the price of tea in China?

Feeling obtuse today? You were talking about teams averaging 3 starting udfas. My implied point in the question was you aren't Going to find them at the premier positions so your stat is irrelevant in a conversation about a RB or QB.

76Texan
08-24-2013, 06:12 PM
Feeling obtuse today? You were talking about teams averaging 3 starting udfas. My impliexld point in the question was you aren't Going to find them at the premier positions so your stat is irrelevant in a conversation about a QB.

To begin with, we're not talking about QB in this thread.

Secondly, other positions on the team have their own importance.

Let's take a look at the Patriots roster last year just for fun anyway.
Let's see where the low round draft picks, journeymen, and UDFAs were.

Offense:

QB - Brady, 6th rd

#1 receiver - Welker, UDFA, journeyman

#2 receiver - Lloyd, journeyman

#3 receiver double up as backup RB -
Woodhead (40 catches, 3 TDs - just 1 fewer than AJ;
Second leading rusher on the team in attempts, yards, and TDs
76-301-4TDs; this guy has 3 more TDs than AJ did.)
You don't think he was important?

3rd leading rusher in yards after Woodhead - Bolden, rookie UDFA

Starting Center - Wendell, UDFA in 2009

Starting RG - Connolly, UDFA in 2005, cut by Jax, out of the NFL in 06 and 07

Defense:

DT - Kyle love, UDFA

RCB - Arrington

LCB - Talib, journeyman

Nickel back, also saw time at RCB - Dennard, rookie 7th rd

SS - Gregrory, UDFA journeyman.

As a group, these guys played a huge part on that team.
Together, they surpassed all the contributions made by guys drafted between the first through the fifth round by the Patriots or by acquisition.

infantrycak
08-24-2013, 06:59 PM
As a group, these guys played a huge part on that team.
Together, they surpassed all the contributions made by guys drafted between the first through the fifth round by the Patriots or by acquisition.

Moving the target. Sorry the discussion was starters.

The statement above is delusional.

76Texan
08-24-2013, 07:42 PM
Moving the target. Sorry the discussion was starters.

The statement above is delusional.

Never mind.
Have a good day.

drs23
08-24-2013, 07:49 PM
To begin with, we're not talking about QB in this thread.

Secondly, other positions on the team have their own importance.

Let's take a look at the Patriots roster last year just for fun anyway.
Let's see where the low round draft picks, journeymen, and UDFAs were.

Offense:

QB - Brady, 6th rd

#1 receiver - Welker, UDFA, journeyman

#2 receiver - Lloyd, journeyman

#3 receiver double up as backup RB -
Woodhead (40 catches, 3 TDs - just 1 fewer than AJ;
Second leading rusher on the team in attempts, yards, and TDs
76-301-4TDs; this guy has 3 more TDs than AJ did.)
You don't think he was important?

3rd leading rusher in yards after Woodhead - Bolden, rookie UDFA

Starting Center - Wendell, UDFA in 2009

Starting RG - Connolly, UDFA in 2005, cut by Jax, out of the NFL in 06 and 07

Defense:

DT - Kyle love, UDFA

RCB - Arrington

LCB - Talib, journeyman

Nickel back, also saw time at RCB - Dennard, rookie 7th rd

SS - Gregrory, UDFA journeyman.

As a group, these guys played a huge part on that team.
Together, they surpassed all the contributions made by guys drafted between the first through the fifth round by the Patriots or by acquisition.

:deadhorse Again, still...

76Texan
08-24-2013, 08:43 PM
:deadhorse Again, still...

Hey, I said I was doing that for fun, LOL!

But it really is a subject that quite a few many fans have yet to be debunked of the myth. Too many people think lowly of the cast-offs, low round picks and UDFA players.

Think of Belichik for a moment.
He bombed on high round picks (let say first to fourth round) just as much as other good coaches, but where he made a name for himself is with the lower draft picks and UDFAs and cast-offs.
That's where he's been having paramount success.

But let to back to the RBs.
The Shanahan/Kubiak regime has been notorious for getting production out of no-name RBs.
I actually just looked up the history since Shanahan became HC of the Broncos.
Overall, the guys they drafted in the first three rounds don't compare with the no-name RBs.

So I had to disagree strongly with Arlingtontexan who said that you can't count on journeymen and UDFAs at backup RB.
Heck, the statement I made above include ALL RBs ever ran in this system (not just backups.)

If anything, a case can be made against drafting players high at certain positions where there's a good risk of injury. The return on investment had to include the risk.

It is really an interesting discussion/research/debate if we all agree to be civilized about it.

The landscape is always changing.
What worked five years ago stands a good chance to be on the decline today.
Convention wisdom has to adapt to the time.

76Texan
08-24-2013, 08:46 PM
:deadhorse Again, still...

Hey, I said I was doing that for run, LOL!

But it really is a subject that quite a few many fans have yet to be debunked of the myth. Too many people think lowly of the cast-offs, low round picks and UDFA players.

Think of Belichik for a moment.
He bombed on high round picks (let say first to fourth round) just as much as other good coaches, but where he made a name for himself is with the lower draft picks and UDFAs and cast-offs.
That's where he's been having paramount success.

But let to back to the RBs.
The Shanahan/Kubiak regime has been notorious for getting production out of no-name RBs.
I actually just looked up the history since Shanahan became HC of the Broncos.
Overall, the guys they drafted in the first three rounds don't compare with the no-name RBs.

So I had to disagree strongly with Arlingtontexan who said that you can't count on journeymen and UDFAs at backup RB.
Heck, the statement I made above include ALL RBs ever ran in this system (not just backups.)

If anything, a case can be made against drafting players high at certain positions where there's a good risk of injury. The return on investment had to include the risk.

It is really an interesting discussion/research/debate if we all agree to be civilized about it.

On a side note, The landscape is always changing.
What worked five years ago stands a good chance to be on the decline today.
Convention wisdom has to adapt to the time.

ArlingtonTexan
08-25-2013, 08:24 AM
Moving the target. Sorry the discussion was starters.

The statement above is delusional.

Even this discussion about "starters" was a moved target from the discussion about moving an experienced player, cheap player like Ben Tate. I suggested that the Texans have not even entertained the notion of trading Ben Tate so that a journeyman RB, and a couple of UDFAs could be back-up to an already hobbled Foster. he saw the term UDFAs and had a "fact" that he wanted show-off even though it had nothing to do the silliness that the Texans are going to trade Ben Tate.

Lucky
08-25-2013, 08:58 AM
I am predicting Foster, Tate, Karim on the 53 man. Greg Jones can run the ball some in "break glass in case of emergency" situation.

woods and Johnson have had moments, but not enough. guessing either or both will be on the PS.

Tate is not even being considered to be traded. He is the only back who has had success as an every down player. if you have aspirations of a Superbowl can't run out a career journeyman and a couple of UDFAs.
There are a lot of Tate haters on this board. Understandable, as he has disappointed in being able to stay on the field. At the same time, the wannabe GMs think the Texans could get a high pick for him. Huh?

I am not that impressed with Karim or the UDFAs. I don't see an Arian Foster. More like Darius Walkers and Samkon Gados. I think the Texans would love to get a vet back like Derrick Ward off waivers. I doubt that happens. Let's just hope that Foster and Tate can collectively stay healthy.

thunderkyss
08-25-2013, 09:23 AM
There are a lot of Tate haters on this board. Understandable, as he has disappointed in being able to stay on the field. At the same time, the wannabe GMs think the Texans could get a high pick for him. Huh?

I am not that impressed with Karim or the UDFAs. I don't see an Arian Foster. More like Darius Walkers and Samkon Gados. I think the Texans would love to get a vet back like Derrick Ward off waivers. I doubt that happens. Let's just hope that Foster and Tate can collectively stay healthy.

I'd love nothing more than a Ben Tate that can take over for a gimpy Foster. I'm no hater by any means, but.... I think there's a greater chance of Ed Reed playing 16 games for us than Ben Tate producing like that guy for 10.

Am I a hater?

I'd like to keep 4 running backs on our Roster, Foster, Tate, Karim, Wood, then stash Dj & Graham on the PS.

If we can't afford the 4th spot, I'm willing to roll the dice & cut Tate. I wish him success where ever he ends up, but if I can't afford the roster spot, that's the way I would go.

Lucky
08-25-2013, 09:30 AM
I
If we can't afford the 4th spot, I'm willing to roll the dice & cut Tate.
And that's why fans shouldn't run NFL teams.

beerlover
08-25-2013, 09:41 AM
Any decent trade value Ben Tate possessed is off the table now. Any moves like that will have to wait until next March/April.

The more Ben produces better his next contract regardless who it's with so behooves him to play.

Karim special team return value solidifies a roster spot.

Wood has an outside shot to be a bell cow future back if he figures out scheme?

Agree with DJ & Graham on PS

Lucky
08-25-2013, 10:13 AM
Any decent trade value Ben Tate possessed is off the table now. Any moves like that will have to wait until next March/April.
Tate will be a unrestricted free agent after the season. So unless the Texans franchise Tate, there will be no offseason trade.

beerlover
08-25-2013, 10:22 AM
Tate will be a unrestricted free agent after the season. So unless the Texans franchise Tate, there will be no offseason trade.

Any moves would include those not taken as well.

Lucky
08-25-2013, 10:23 AM
Any moves would include those not taken as well.
Okay...

thunderkyss
08-25-2013, 10:27 AM
And that's why fans shouldn't run NFL teams.

We'll see. If Tate has a season like 2012... we'll see

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Thorn
08-25-2013, 12:02 PM
meh....Tate is on my **** list and is staying there until he can show me something.

infantrycak
08-25-2013, 12:26 PM
We'll see. If Tate has a season like 2012... we'll see

You mean a season where he averages 4.3 ypc in spot duty? It isn't his fault he only got 65 carries.

ChampionTexan
08-25-2013, 12:40 PM
meh....Tate is on my **** list and is staying there until he can show me something.

See, I just couldn't disagree more with this line of thinking. Two years ago, Tate carried the ball 175 times, and averaged 5.4 ypc in the process. I don't see any reason for anyone to be convinced that things have changed, and now he sucks. I know he only carried the ball 65 times last season, and while there have been some injury concerns in the past, he appears to be healthy at this moment, and he's in a contract season. As far as how he's looked this preseason, he's only got four carries and four receptions, so even if you did choose to put limited preseason touches ahead of past actual game performance, it's not like you've got much of a body of work to form any sort of opinion on. And yeah, I know he had the completely blown pass protection issue, but I also think there's a tendency to form (or change) opinions based on one horrible thing, when the bulk of the evidence doesn't support that. I don't recall any major pass protection issues on his part when he played significant minutes in 2011, and when I did a little research to try to see how he fared when playing more while Arian was limited with "Anti-awesomeness", I found this:

Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley

Kubiak: "Ben Tate played very good on pass protection." >That is a plus factor that could give him more field time.
LINK (https://twitter.com/StephStradley/statuses/113350804676673536)

Again, I'm not going to let one play - no matter how visible and awful it was - form my opinion when there's evidence to the contrary.

Now I'm not one of those guys who says even if Arian misses some time, he's a system back, and we won't miss him (I know there's not many of those guys, but there's a few). Arian's a better back than Ben Tate is, and that helps us win games. However I am one of those guys that says if Arian does end up missing some time, or if he just needs to be spelled now and again, that there's nobody who's on our roster, who's currently available, or who's going to become available who's going to do that as well as Ben Tate will.

76Texan
08-25-2013, 01:17 PM
It's my fault that my posts are misconstrued often.
On the other hand, I can't keep reminding people not to fantasize and to make things up.

Is there anywhere that I said anything bad about Tate?
Or about not wanting him on the roster?

The fact remains that the Texans just need Foster to stay healthy and some guy(s) to give him a breather now and then.

Obviously, you would want each position to be as stacked as possible in case of an injury. A healthy Tate is definitely better than any of the other guys; that's a given.

Thorn
08-25-2013, 04:46 PM
Tate showing flashes of his one good season. I'm glad to see it, I really am. Still though, he was nothing for two of his three seasons. If he comes back this year, that means he's still only batting 500.

Yes, a healthy Tate is better than all the rest trying to make the team, but the question is will he stay healthy. I'll not be happy with Tate until he shows up for most of the season and replicates his one good year.

Hervoyel
08-25-2013, 06:31 PM
There are a lot of Tate haters on this board. Understandable, as he has disappointed in being able to stay on the field. At the same time, the wannabe GMs think the Texans could get a high pick for him. Huh?

I am not that impressed with Karim or the UDFAs. I don't see an Arian Foster. More like Darius Walkers and Samkon Gados. I think the Texans would love to get a vet back like Derrick Ward off waivers. I doubt that happens. Let's just hope that Foster and Tate can collectively stay healthy.

Taters?

Corrosion
08-25-2013, 07:14 PM
I am not that impressed with Karim or the UDFAs. I don't see an Arian Foster. More like Darius Walkers and Samkon Gados. I think the Texans would love to get a vet back like Derrick Ward off waivers. I doubt that happens. Let's just hope that Foster and Tate can collectively stay healthy.

Lets hope Tate can hang onto the damn ball .... twice today he put the ball on the turf. :boogereater:

amazing80
08-25-2013, 07:14 PM
Lets hope Tate can hang onto the damn ball .... twice today he put the ball on the turf. :boogereater:

seems like a few guys had that problem today.

thunderkyss
08-25-2013, 08:25 PM
Watching Tate today I'll admit I may have forgotten how special he can be...

So we'll just have to find a way to keep 4 runningbacks. Tate is as fragile as Schaub.

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Rey
08-25-2013, 08:35 PM
Taters?

Jen's dog?

badboy
08-25-2013, 09:21 PM
It's my fault that my posts are misconstrued often.
On the other hand, I can't keep reminding people not to fantasize and to make things up.

Is there anywhere that I said anything bad about Tate?
Or about not wanting him on the roster?

The fact remains that the Texans just need Foster to stay healthy and some guy(s) to give him a breather now and then.

Obviously, you would want each position to be as stacked as possible in case of an injury. A healthy Tate is definitely better than any of the other guys; that's a given.Tate is another Sharpton situation, love to have him healthy a season especially in a possible SB season but....you just do not know what you are getting. I agree 76 that Foster is the man and we basically need a relief for him. I see Karim as a replacement for Forsett and much faster. If we can get a decent pick I'd do it and go with Wood. If we cannot, Tate remains and we pray for his health as we do for rain, daily.

The WR corps disturbs me a bit also with Hopson still in day 1 of protocols. As of today, we seem to offer MS same weapons as last season. Posey is a slight plus until we know what we have and Jean looked good today. He could give Matt a bit of reassurance if he can win his QB's trust and allow Hopson and Posey time to get healthier. I wished our LBs were this deep.

gwallaia
08-29-2013, 07:35 PM
I become more undecided as the pre-season continues. Johnson and Wood looking great so far.

76Texan
08-29-2013, 07:43 PM
I become more undecided as the pre-season continues. Johnson and Wood looking great so far.

Tell me about it.

EllisUnit
08-29-2013, 08:13 PM
Carry 3 TEs ???

Thorn
08-29-2013, 08:28 PM
We do have some good RB talent on the team, that's for sure.

gafftop
08-29-2013, 08:32 PM
Would take Woods 1st Like change of pace of DJ but fumbles too much. Maybe stash him on PS. Karim I have never been impressed with.

Corrosion
08-29-2013, 11:10 PM
Carry 3 TEs ???

Absolutely they carry three .... without a doubt.

Scooter
08-29-2013, 11:15 PM
Carry 3 TEs ???

most definitely. we only carried the two last year (plus casey), and they really seemed to wear down at the end of the season. we run too many 2 and 3 tightend packages to be thin here, and i doubt griffin would clear waivers.

as for runningback, wood appears to be the guy for me. i cant trust dennis johnson's hands, and kerim has been pedestrian IMO. wood seems like the best fit for our offense based on his style of running and his strengths.

ArlingtonTexan
08-29-2013, 11:33 PM
most definitely. we only carried the two last year (plus casey), and they really seemed to wear down at the end of the season. we run too many 2 and 3 tightend packages to be thin here, and i doubt griffin would clear waivers.

as for runningback, wood appears to be the guy for me. i cant trust dennis johnson's hands, and kerim has been pedestrian IMO. wood seems like the best fit for our offense based on his style of running and his strengths.

I think Karim not getting caries in the regular offense means the Texans have made a decision. also, since both runners ran through the Dallas defense, not as good for either player as it seems.


Foster
Tate
Karim

PS woods

Thorn
08-30-2013, 07:11 AM
I think Karim not getting caries in the regular offense means the Texans have made a decision. also, since both runners ran through the Dallas defense, not as good for either player as it seems.


Foster
Tate
Karim

PS woods

Woods will be picked up by someone before he makes it to our practice squad.

Rey
08-30-2013, 07:26 AM
I think cierre makes the roster. He's run well whenever given the opportunity.

Thorn
08-30-2013, 07:28 AM
I think cierre makes the roster. He's run well whenever given the opportunity.

They would have to carry four RBs for that to happen IMO. I'm thinking Karim makes the final roster before Woods. Stanger things have happened though. I would just really hate to lose Woods.

Rey
08-30-2013, 07:47 AM
They would have to carry four RBs for that to happen IMO. I'm thinking Karim makes the final roster before Woods. Stanger things have happened though. I would just really hate to lose Woods.

I don't know what they'll do with karim and honestly I don't really care all that much. But I think they'll keep cierre.

TheIronDuke
08-30-2013, 07:53 AM
I said this in the game thread that I'd prefer Wood, love the way the guy runs. I also like how he fits in our team name scheme in how people are always going to call him "Woods" instead of Wood, which is his last name.

PapaL
08-30-2013, 08:59 AM
Did Cierre Wood do any returns this preseason? All things being equal, even if Karim played against tougher competition, Karim did return KOs.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/08/kubiak-sits-karim-to-see-what-wood-johnson-can-do/

With Wood and Johnson attacking, third-string running back Deji Karim was left to watch on the sideline.

“I know what we’ve got with him,” Texans coach Gary Kubiak said. “I wanted to see what the young guys could do.”

Wood certainly made a case to be on the roster. No denying that. I like our top 4 RB.

TheIronDuke
08-30-2013, 10:10 AM
Did Cierre Wood do any returns this preseason? All things being equal, even if Karim played against tougher competition, Karim did return KOs.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/08/kubiak-sits-karim-to-see-what-wood-johnson-can-do/



Wood certainly made a case to be on the roster. No denying that. I like our top 4 RB.

To me, I don't even care if someone can return kickoffs. Marciano couldn't make the best kick returner in the NFL look good last year. We honestly shouldn't even take a ball out of the EZ. If we even have a decent kick return it'd be negated by a block in the back anyway.

Blake
08-30-2013, 10:16 AM
I dont understand the love for these RBs. We find several every year that show promise. They are not good enough to take up a roster spot. Cierre Wood and DJ need to be cut and signed to the practice squad if they clear waivers. We have 2 very talented RBs and DK has skills and experience. Even if they get signed to someone elses active roster I am sure we can find another group of young runners who will thrive in our run system.

DX-TEX
08-30-2013, 10:19 AM
I dont understand the love for these RBs. We find several every year that show promise. They are not good enough to take up a roster spot. Cierre Wood and DJ need to be cut and signed to the practice squad if they clear waivers. We have 2 very talented RBs and DK has skills and experience. Even if they get signed to someone elses active roster I am sure we can find another group of young runners who will thrive in our run system.

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1779035/iraXvs9bFz0xQ.gif

THAT is not our system. That is a damn good RB! Wood goes to waivers he is gone. Packers, Skins or even the Broncos grab him.

Rey
08-30-2013, 10:27 AM
I dont understand the love for these RBs. We find several every year that show promise. They are not good enough to take up a roster spot. Cierre Wood and DJ need to be cut and signed to the practice squad if they clear waivers. We have 2 very talented RBs and DK has skills and experience. Even if they get signed to someone elses active roster I am sure we can find another group of young runners who will thrive in our run system.

Sounds like you'd have let Arian go when he was just starting out.

Blake
08-30-2013, 10:44 AM
THAT is not our system. That is a damn good RB! Wood goes to waivers he is gone. Packers, Skins or even the Broncos grab him.

The Packers have Eddie Lacey, Jonathan Franklin and James Stark. Skins have Morris, Royster and Helu. Montee Ball, Jacob Hester, Moreno and Hillman. They are not worried about Cierre Wood. They have their own young talent to worry about keeping.

Sounds like you'd have let Arian go when he was just starting out.

Umm Foster was waived in 2009 and signed to PS. So yea.

I feel that you guys are assigning too much value to a 4th string player.

Rey
08-30-2013, 10:51 AM
Umm Foster was waived in 2009 and signed to PS. So yea.

I feel that you guys are assigning too much value to a 4th string player.

We were lucky no one picked him up, wouldn't you say? If someone did and then he blew up for another team we'd be talking about the mistake we made.

Wood has show a bit more, plus the Team has a spotlight on them now. We might not be so lucky the next time.

And as far as value on a 4th string player, I think he's a better runner than Karim and if Tate is gone after this year I think he might be able to challenge for the back-up role.

I think you're too consumed with what you believe he is right now instead of how he could possibly do to help the team in the future.

Blake
08-30-2013, 10:56 AM
We were lucky no one picked him up, wouldn't you say? If someone did and then he blew up for another team we'd be talking about the mistake we made.

Wood has show a bit more, plus the Team has a spotlight on them now. We might not be so lucky the next time.

And as far as value on a 4th string player, I think he's a better runner than Karim and if Tate is gone after this year I think he might be able to challenge for the back-up role.

My point is still valid. We put Foster on the PS. We can put Wood or DJ there too. Kubiak didnt even play DK, essentailly showing his hand and telling us who he likes more for this football team. If Wood was all that he would have kept him over DK. But he didnt. He and the rest of the NFL value experience and reliability when they give them the ball.

I think you're too consumed with what you believe he is right now instead of how he could possibly do to help the team in the future.

Kubiak just said that he has 75 players that can play in the NFL, just not for the Texans. Cuts are hard. There are alot of young guys that can help this team in the future, but we just do not have the room to keep them and protect and nurture them on the active roster. You have to take risks just like we did with Foster and keenum on the PS.

Insideop
08-30-2013, 11:04 AM
I dont understand the love for these RBs. We find several every year that show promise. They are not good enough to take up a roster spot. Cierre Wood and DJ need to be cut and signed to the practice squad if they clear waivers. We have 2 very talented RBs and DK has skills and experience. Even if they get signed to someone elses active roster I am sure we can find another group of young runners who will thrive in our run system.

Did you say the same thing when we picked up Foster as an UFDA? We all know that they can find other young RB's that will thrive in the system, but they have to keep looking for the next Arian Foster. And, the only way to do that is to let the ones "that show promise" play it out on the field and see what they have. Just because "they are not good enough to take up a roster spot" now doesn't mean they won't be good enough to play for the Texans later.

Rey
08-30-2013, 11:06 AM
I don't think I agree with a single point Blake was trying to make. since we're so far apart I think I'll just tip my hat and bid good day :tiphat:

Blake
08-30-2013, 11:09 AM
I guess we will just have to wait and see what the coach does.

infantrycak
08-30-2013, 11:12 AM
Umm Foster was waived in 2009 and signed to PS. So yea.

Not even close to analogous
.
We were lucky no one picked him up, wouldn't you say?

Not really. In the 2009 preseason Foster had 23 att, for 66 yds at 2.9 ypc and 0 TDs.

2013 Wood - 35 att. for 191 yds at 5.5 ypc and 0 TDs.

Rey
08-30-2013, 11:22 AM
Not really. In the 2009 preseason Foster had 23 att, for 66 yds at 2.9 ypc and 0 TDs.

2013 Wood - 35 att. for 191 yds at 5.5 ypc and 0 TDs.

That was actually one of my points that Wood has shown more, but when I say we were lucky, I mean that no one saw enough potential there to grab him and place him on their roster.

thunderkyss
08-30-2013, 11:23 AM
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1779035/iraXvs9bFz0xQ.gif

THAT is not our system. That is a damn good RB! Wood goes to waivers he is gone. Packers, Skins or even the Broncos grab him.

I agree. Cierre Wood is going to be special.

& that is not our system & I hope 67 (Cody White) & 62 (Alex Kupper) get shown the F out the door. I'd have left them in Dallas

thunderkyss
08-30-2013, 11:26 AM
Did you say the same thing when we picked up Foster as an UFDA? We all know that they can find other young RB's that will thrive in the system, but they have to keep looking for the next Arian Foster. And, the only way to do that is to let the ones "that show promise" play it out on the field and see what they have. Just because "they are not good enough to take up a roster spot" now doesn't mean they won't be good enough to play for the Texans later.

I don't remember either Foster or Jeremiah looking as good as Cierre Wood in the preseason. If they did, I don't think we'd have cut them.


edit: What 'cak & rey said.

dtran04
08-30-2013, 11:30 AM
They have to decide if he's worth the roster spot to be NEVER be activated on gameday. He will never get to carry the ball and apparently isn't too great on special teams. Will they risk it?

Carrying 3 QBs already makes it complicated.

idymoe
08-30-2013, 11:42 AM
They have to decide if he's worth the roster spot to be NEVER be activated on gameday. He will never get to carry the ball

Running back is one of the most injury prone positions in the league. Tate was hurt last year, Foster hasn't taken a snap in pre-season. Personally, I would keep him over Karim, as I don't think he would clear waivers.

WolverineFan
08-30-2013, 11:54 AM
Wood has a ton of upside in this system. He thrived in it at Notre Dame and looks even better now at the professional level. I was a big fan of his coming out of school and he's a perfect fit for the offense.

This is a long-term decision. If you think he has the ability to replace Tate next year then you keep him on the roster because he's not clearing waivers. He was a draftable talent coming out this year, no idea how he went undrafted but I'm glad he did.

Playoffs
08-30-2013, 12:11 PM
Adam Wexler ‏@awexler
Dennis Johnson can clearly run the ball & has return abilities. But you can't fumble 6 times in 4 games as UDFA rookie & make team #Texans

As expected, despite strong early camp efforts, #Texans cut RB Dennis Johnson according to @RapSheet & @AllbrightNFL.

Malloy
08-30-2013, 12:14 PM
Adam Wexler ‏@awexler

Fumbling will have that effect on your pro career.... :I

Nawzer
08-30-2013, 12:16 PM
Some team out there is going to get a very serviceable back. I personally like Wood more because he seems to have some Foster in him with his running style.

Playoffs
08-30-2013, 01:09 PM
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darnbni99a
08-30-2013, 02:42 PM
I like Wood also. my guess is he'll make the practice squad

silvrhand
08-30-2013, 02:49 PM
I like Wood also. my guess is he'll make the practice squad

Wood will be the #3 back, did you see some of his catches out of the backfield as well?

darnbni99a
08-30-2013, 03:12 PM
Wood will be the #3 back, did you see some of his catches out of the backfield as well?

yes sir!!

i fell in love with him after that stiff arm last night. no homo

BullNation4Life
08-30-2013, 03:13 PM
I think Kubiak keeps all 4 backs.

Foster
Tate
Karim
Wood

Foster is uncertain, Tate is injury prone, Karim is serviceable and will return kicks and punts and Wood is a rising star...

I think before this season ends, we are gonna see Wood on the field with the starters...

badboy
08-30-2013, 03:15 PM
If RBs are as good as we think, would this allow Gary to reduce WRs?

DX-TEX
08-30-2013, 03:19 PM
If RBs are as good as we think, would this allow Gary to reduce WRs?

We didn't do it much last season but didn't Arian split out wide a few times in 2011?

Corrosion
08-30-2013, 03:19 PM
If RBs are as good as we think, would this allow Gary to reduce WRs?

He wont keep fewer that 5 WR's , they have kept 6 in the past .....


That 3rd QB makes it hard to keep 4 RB's while maintaining balance at other positions.


They may open a roster spot by placing someone on IR - one of the draft picks that didn't show much but that they would be hesitant to cut , be it an OLB or B.WIlliams at OT.

bckey
08-30-2013, 03:59 PM
I really like Cierre Wood and think this is the perfect team for him. His talent has been displayed too much already for him to make it to the practice squad. I hope the Texans keep him on the active roster because Tate staying healthy worries me along with Foster's back. They may try and sign Dennis Johnson to the practice squad if he clears. A lot of tough decisions this year. I think the Texans have rid themselves of the expansion label for good.

drs23
08-30-2013, 05:06 PM
I agree. Cierre Wood is going to be special.

& that is not our system & I hope 67 (Cody White) & 62 (Alex Kupper) get shown the F out the door. I'd have left them in Dallas

And Gardner(?) #66 gets a pass for a blatant shove in the back. I can't believe the zebras missed that. I know the coaches din't.

Lucky
08-30-2013, 05:51 PM
Wood goes to waivers he is gone. Packers, Skins or even the Broncos grab him.
Just heard McClain on 610 say that Karim is in in, Wood and Johnson out at RB. Johnson would be offered a PS spot.

I don't think Wood makes it past Dallas on the waiver wire He dominated them. I'm against waiving Wood for Karim. OK, Karim has a little experience and special teams under his belt. If he has to play RB for you at any point, you're screwed. Wood changed my mind last night. He should be kept.

phantom17
08-30-2013, 05:57 PM
Damn! Wood should make the team not Karim! They will regret this!

Texn4life
08-30-2013, 06:01 PM
Just heard McClain on 610 say that Karim is in in, Wood and Johnson out at RB. Johnson would be offered a PS spot.

I don't think Wood makes it past Dallas on the waiver wire He dominated them. I'm against waiving Wood for Karim. OK, Karim has a little experience and special teams under his belt. If he has to play RB for you at any point, you're screwed. Wood changed my mind last night. He should be kept.

So someone played a mean joke on Wood? My guess is McClain is wrong AGAIN.

JCTexan
08-30-2013, 06:01 PM
Just heard McClain on 610 say that Karim is in in, Wood and Johnson out at RB. Johnson would be offered a PS spot.

I don't think Wood makes it past Dallas on the waiver wire He dominated them. I'm against waiving Wood for Karim. OK, Karim has a little experience and special teams under his belt. If he has to play RB for you at any point, you're screwed. Wood changed my mind last night. He should be kept.

I don't know who is right but Bob Allen says Wood is in and Karim is out: From the 53 man thread:

Looks like Cierre Wood will be the 3rd Texans running back...

I've learned that Deji Karim has been waived

Playoffs
08-30-2013, 06:06 PM
Just heard McClain on 610 say that Karim is in in, Wood and Johnson out at RB. Johnson would be offered a PS spot.

Bob Allen ‏@BobAllenKHOU
Looks like Cierre Wood will be the 3rd Texans running back..I've learned that Deji Karim has been waived

Battle of the boobs.... I think Abromowitz is correct.

DX-TEX
08-30-2013, 06:10 PM
Wow at all the tweets contradicting each other.

HJam72
08-30-2013, 06:21 PM
I'd have to keep Cierre Wood on the team. I can't ignore 40 yd. runs.

Thorn
08-30-2013, 06:53 PM
I'd be quite happy with either Karim or Wood. Both would be even better.

Pollardized
08-30-2013, 06:56 PM
I'd be quite happy with either Karim or Wood. Both would be even better.

Thorn would be happy getting Wood.

Thorn
08-30-2013, 07:00 PM
Thorn would be happy getting Wood.

:lol:

I should probably call you an ******* or something, and I probably will when I quit laughing.

Corrosion
08-30-2013, 07:06 PM
I'd be quite happy with either Karim or Wood. Both would be even better.

Man I would like to see both stick too .... but in keeping 3QB's , I find it really difficult to do so.

The battles for roster spots are absolutely fierce at the bottom of the roster this season .... Going to be some really tough calls made by the front office. I don't envy them.

darnbni99a
08-30-2013, 07:32 PM
BREAKING NEWS: KHOU 11 Sports anchor Bob Allen is reporting that the Houston Texans have waived running back Deji Karim and that Cierre Wood will be the team's third string RB. Dennis Johnson and Chris Jones have reportedly been waived as well

YESSSSS!!!!!!!
:bender:

phantom17
08-30-2013, 07:45 PM
Yes! We got WOOD!:bravo:

TheIronDuke
08-30-2013, 08:21 PM
Im so happy we kept Wood, he's going to be a beast.

Playoffs
08-30-2013, 08:29 PM
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
Congrats to RB Cierre Wood, undrafted out of Notre Dame, for making the Texans roster. He led team with 191 yards rushing N preseason..

SAMURAITEXAN
08-30-2013, 08:35 PM
I guess Wood's performance of yesterday made Kubiak think twice about #3 position. Game against Dallas was his last chance to show what he is all about and bbbboooyyyy he showed. Glad we kept him as #3 RB and he should be #2 come next year and sharing reps with Foster.

phantom17
08-30-2013, 08:40 PM
Plus. Wood didn't have "fumble-itis"!:swatter:

htowntexans1985
08-30-2013, 09:14 PM
Something tells me we're going to see a whole lotta wood this year. If you feel my drift.

b0ng
08-30-2013, 09:21 PM
I love erection puns so this is a good thing.

Pollardized
08-30-2013, 09:30 PM
I noticed when Wood sees a hole, he hits it hard. No beating around the bush.

phantom17
08-30-2013, 09:34 PM
I noticed when Wood sees a hole, he hits it hard. No beating around the bush.

Hahaha! The announcers will have a field day with this one during game day!:)

drs23
08-31-2013, 10:45 AM
So the Wood puns are coming. :D

PapaL
09-01-2013, 07:34 AM
So the Wood puns are coming. :D

You can't see the trees from the forest but you can see the Cierre in the Wood?

(Originally worded "you can see the Wood in Cierre" but that sounded bad. Just bad.)

hradhak
09-01-2013, 07:43 AM
Any chance Dennis Johnson makes the PS? I thought he played pretty well. Even had some good KR

Lucky
09-01-2013, 08:18 AM
Any chance Dennis Johnson makes the PS? I thought he played pretty well. Even had some good KR

A very good chance.

Rey
09-01-2013, 10:28 AM
I hope Johnson isn't placed on the practice squad. There's a lot of things I like about him, but the things I don't like would have me leave him off.

thunderkyss
09-01-2013, 11:35 AM
I hope Johnson isn't placed on the practice squad. There's a lot of things I like about him, but the things I don't like would have me leave him off.

All I've seen from him is what I've seen this preseason.. the only thing worth talking about was his last game.

Dude is deceptively small. He's got world class speed & plays bigger than he is. But he runs with blinders. If this was a "hit the hole" offense, I'd have more value for him.

If the coaches think they can work with him & improve his reading of the OL, sure, put him on the PS.

But I'm sure I can think of 5 players I'd rather have on the PS, depending on who clears waivers.

Corrosion
09-01-2013, 11:52 AM
I hope Johnson isn't placed on the practice squad. There's a lot of things I like about him, but the things I don't like would have me leave him off.

He needs to play in a league that allows ... stickum.


He put the ball on the ground too many times in practice , he did the same in games.


I have no use for a RB who cant hang onto the rock.

darnbni99a
09-01-2013, 12:55 PM
Something tells me we're going to see a whole lotta wood this year. If you feel my drift.

ive been thinking the same thing

Grams
09-01-2013, 01:13 PM
I hope Johnson isn't placed on the practice squad. There's a lot of things I like about him, but the things I don't like would have me leave him off.

No worries here - Browns picked him up.

Playoffs
09-01-2013, 01:36 PM
I hope Johnson isn't placed on the practice squad. There's a lot of things I like about him, but the things I don't like would have me leave him off. He's a Brown. I think he'll make his mark if he gets a handle on the ball. Good burst.

Vinny
09-01-2013, 02:33 PM
I didn't want to lose Johnson. We needed that speed. oh well.

Rey
09-01-2013, 02:39 PM
No worries here - Browns picked him up.

Good. Not a fan.

cuppacoffee
09-01-2013, 02:54 PM
No worries here - Browns picked him up.

Good. Not a fan.


I was hoping the kid from ND would make it. :D

:coffee:

cland
09-01-2013, 05:42 PM
I'm fine with him not being on the PS, the one thing you can't do is lose the football...and I saw him bobble it way too much this preseason.

ObsiWan
09-01-2013, 06:04 PM
I was hoping D.J. would make it through waivers and back to our practice squad. Dude has serious speed and we'd have a year of P/S work to develop his ball carrying skills.

How soon we forget....
It wasn't too long ago we gave up on two guys with track star speed AND somewhat weak ball handling skills only to see them picked up by other teams who turned them into weapons ...Super Bowl winning weapons.

I do not wish to bolster someone else's special teams - AGAIN - when a bit of patience and some P/S training could make him a weapon for us.

DX-TEX
09-01-2013, 06:14 PM
I was hoping D.J. would make it through waivers and back to our practice squad. Dude has serious speed and we'd have a year of P/S work to develop his ball carrying skills.

How soon we forget....
It wasn't too long ago we gave up on two guys with track star speed AND somewhat weak ball handling skills only to see them picked up by other teams who turned them into weapons ...Super Bowl winning weapons.

I do not wish to bolster someone else's special teams - AGAIN - when a bit of patience and some P/S training could make him a weapon for us].

He went to the browns. The Browns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBDMMVctu8

HouTx11
09-01-2013, 06:25 PM
Ok what is the deal with the Browns always taking our waived RBs? Didn't this also happen with Ogbonnaya (sp?) 2 years ago?

HJam72
09-01-2013, 06:27 PM
I'm gonna be really upset when the freaking Browns go to the Superbowl with our castoffs. :kubepalm:
Please don't make me find the "sarcasm" smiley, or even type it in.

thunderkyss
09-01-2013, 06:31 PM
He went to the browns. The Browns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBDMMVctu8

Remember Chris Ogbannaya?

He's in Cleveland as well.

ObsiWan
09-01-2013, 06:33 PM
He went to the browns. The Browns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBDMMVctu8

:spit:
That link was priceless. +1

I truly feel the dude as not very long ago that was us.

powda
09-01-2013, 06:41 PM
I was hoping the kid from ND would make it. :D

:coffee:

Cierre wood? THE cierre wood? I do belive he wasn't cut. Truly excited about the next few years of his career. I'm sold. And the timing couldn't be any better. Foster has millage and tate will seek a contract elsewhere...

Mari-OWNED!
09-01-2013, 08:11 PM
Something tells me we're going to see a whole lotta wood this year. If you feel my drift.

http://survivingcollege.bluelink1.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2012/08/i-see-what-you-did-there-300x300.jpg

badboy
09-01-2013, 09:24 PM
Cierre wood? THE cierre wood? I do belive he wasn't cut. Truly excited about the next few years of his career. I'm sold. And the timing couldn't be any better. Foster has millage and tate will seek a contract elsewhere...In my April mock I had Wood #6 but then again I had Da'Rick Rogers 2nd round. At least Buffalo had him as a high round pick also.

drs23
09-01-2013, 10:25 PM
He went to the browns. The Browns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBDMMVctu8

That cat's pretty funny. He had several YouTube vids that made me laugh pretty good.

Thanks for the chuckle.

tried to rep

Corrosion
09-01-2013, 11:00 PM
In my April mock I had Wood #6 but then again I had Da'Rick Rogers 2nd round. At least Buffalo had him as a high round pick also.

Did he get cut from the Bills ?! Im still in shock the kid didn't get drafted , he had measurable equal to the top WR's .... then again , he was a knucklehead of epic proportions.



I'm glad DJ is gone ... couldn't hang onto the ball. I have no use for an RB who has that much trouble hanging onto the ball - He did it on the practice field & in the preseason games more than once.


Once I may have overlooked ... but when you put the ball on the turf three times in two games while splitting time with other backs ..... forget it.

drs23
09-01-2013, 11:22 PM
Did he get cut from the Bills ?! Im still in shock the kid didn't get drafted , he had measurable equal to the top WR's .... then again , he was a knucklehead of epic proportions.


Yep. One of the first out the door in the first cut. Something about attitude and being dumber than a box of rocks.

Oh, and no other courters either. Looking like a short lived career. Very short lived.

Corrosion
09-02-2013, 03:39 AM
Yep. One of the first out the door in the first cut. Something about attitude and being dumber than a box of rocks.

Oh, and no other courters either. Looking like a short lived career. Very short lived.

I think that and his off field issues is what turned off .... damn near every team.

It'll be interesting to see if he gets another shot .... he obviously has the physical talent to be a top tier WR .... just seems to be short a few marbles.


I don't feel sorry for the guy in the slightest ... he squandered a college education and a shot in the NFL being a knucklehead.

ChampionTexan
09-02-2013, 08:38 AM
I think that and his off field issues is what turned off .... damn near every team.

It'll be interesting to see if he gets another shot .... he obviously has the physical talent to be a top tier WR .... just seems to be short a few marbles.


I don't feel sorry for the guy in the slightest ... he squandered a college education and a shot in the NFL being a knucklehead.

Signed to Colts practice squad.

Tom Pelissero ‏@TomPelissero 20m

Da'Rick Rogers is back, but not with #Bills. Signed to #Colts practice squad.

Rey
09-02-2013, 03:20 PM
Signed to Colts practice squad.

Wouldn't that be awesome if he got his stuff together and gave Luck a big physical talented target.

:hide:

ObsiWan
09-03-2013, 12:22 PM
Wouldn't that be awesome if he got his stuff together and gave Luck a big physical talented target.

:hide:

Stranger things have happened.
Even Dez Bryant is behaving this season
...so far anyway