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Porky
08-05-2013, 01:01 PM
Ok this thread can really serve multiple purposes. We've got a lot of new guys, rookies, etc and watching these games and seeing a number and not knowing who it is can be an issue. So, I've copied all this into Word to have with me Friday. Ok, I know that's geeky but it might help.

We have no long term injuries yet (knock on wood) and we are sure to get at least a couple of players cut from other teams, so this is very much less than perfect. It's simply an exercise to look at this roster and play GM for a minute and take a wild guess. Some will be easy, some we have no idea without seeing them play. That's what makes it interesting - a way to pass the time until Friday. So, I've got my 53 below, with my 8 man Practice Squad. More than likely, a couple of the 8 could also be from other teams, but let's go with what we currently have on the roster.

A * means makes the final 53 as it looks opening day. PS is a guy that makes the Practice Squad. PUP should be obvious to football fans. Nothing next to a player means he is cut outright and does not make the PS or PUP. Players are listed in alphabetical order, divided by position.

Offense -

QB’s: (3)
* 7 Keenum, Case QB 6-1 209 25 R Houston
3 McGee, Stephen QB 6-3 225 27 4 Texas A&M
* 8 Schaub, Matt QB 6-5 239 32 9 Virginia
* 13 Yates, T.J. QB 6-4 219 26 2 North Carolina

OL: (8)
* 79 Brooks, Brandon G 6-5 340 23 R Miami (Ohio)
* 76 Brown, Duane T 6-4 320 27 5 Virginia Tech
61 Collins, Bryan G 6-3 301 R SMU
66 Gardner, Andrew T 6-6 308 27 2 Georgia Tech
* 68 Harris, Ryan T 6-5 300 28 5 Notre Dame
78 Horn, Tyler C 6-4 305 1 Miami
* 60 Jones, Ben C 6-3 303 24 R Georgia
62 Kupper, Alex G 6-3 300 23 R Louisville
69 Mondek, Nick T 6-5 303 24 R Purdue
* 55 Myers, Chris C 6-4 290 31 8 Miami (Fla.)
* 75 Newton, Derek T 6-5 318 25 2 Arkansas State
* 77 Quessenberry, David T 6-5 302 R San Jose State
* 74 Smith, Wade G 6-4 307 32 10 Memphis
67 White, Cody G 6-3 301 25 R Illinois State
PUP -73 Williams, Brennan T 6-6 318 R North Carolina

RB: (3)
* 23 Foster, Arian RB 6-1 229 26 4 Tennessee
37 Graham, Ray RB 5-9 199 R Pittsburgh
* 28 Johnson, Dennis RB 5-7 196 R Arkansas
39 Karim, Deji RB 5-8 209 26 4 Southern Illinois
* 44 Tate, Ben RB 5-11 215 24 3 Auburn
PS 41 Wood, Cierre RB 5-11 213 R Notre Dame

FB: (2)
PS 45 Boren, Zach FB 6-0 238 R Ohio State
* 40 Clutts, Tyler FB 6-2 260 28 2 Fresno State
*33 Jones, Greg FB 6-1 265 32 9 Florida State

TE: (3)
PS 89 Byrne, Jake TE 6-4 260 23 R Wisconsin
* 81 Daniels, Owen TE 6-3 249 30 7 Wisconsin
* 88 Graham, Garrett TE 6-3 244 27 3 Wisconsin
* 84 Griffin, Ryan TE 6-6 247 R Connecticut
85 Schiltz, Adam TE 6-4 256 R Emporia State

WR: (5)
* 16 Bonner, Alan WR 5-10 193 R Jacksonville State
12 Cruse, Andy WR 6-3 212 23 R Miami (Ohio)
* 10 Hopkins, DeAndre WR 6-1 214 R Clemson
* 18 Jean, Lestar WR 6-3 212 25 2 Florida Atlantic
* 80 Johnson, Andre WR 6-3 230 32 10 Miami (Fla.)
PS 17 Lemon, Alec WR 6-1 202 R Syracuse
15 Maehl, Jeff WR 6-0 185 24 1 Oregon
* 82 Martin, Keshawn WR 5-11 190 23 R Michigan State
87 Nwachukwu, Uzoma WR 5-11 196 22 R Texas A&M
PUP 11 Posey, DeVier WR 6-1 206 23 R Ohio State
86 Smith, Mike WR 6-0 204 R Connecticut

Defense -

DL: (7)
98 Browner, Keith DE 6-4 276 25 R California
* 93 Crick, Jared DE 6-4 287 23 R Nebraska
72 Hunter, David NT 6-2 303 23 R Houston
* 96 Jamison, Tim DE 6-3 285 27 4 Michigan
PS - 95 Jones, Chris DT 6-2 302 R Bowling Green
* 97 McClain, Terrell NT 6-2 300 25 2 South Florida
* 92 Mitchell, Earl NT 6-3 300 25 3 Arizona
* 91 Muir, Daniel DT 6-2 322 29 7 Kent State
71 Okine, Earl DE 6-6 284 R Florida
* 94 Smith, Antonio DE 6-4 284 31 8 Oklahoma State
* 99 Watt, J.J. DE 6-5 295 24 2 Wisconsin

OLB: (5)
* 50 Braman, Bryan LB 6-5 251 26 2 West Texas A&M
* 63 Jefferson, Willie OLB 6-5 233 R Stephen F. Austin
64 Johnson, Delano OLB 6-4 280 25 R Bowie State
* 59 Mercilus, Whitney LB 6-4 257 23 R Illinois
53 Mohamed, Mike LB 6-3 245 25 2 California
PUP 57 Montgomery, Sam OLB 6-3 262 23 R LSU
* 58 Reed, Brooks OLB 6-2 250 26 2 Arizona
PS 47 Tuggle, Justin OLB 6-3 244 R Kansas State
*54 Williams, Trevardo OLB 6-1 241 R Connecticut

ILB: (4)
PS 49 Collins, Cameron LB 6-2 241 23 R Oregon State
* 56 Cushing, Brian ILB 6-3 255 26 4 Southern California
61 Davis, Ja'Gared ILB 6-0 238 R SMU
* 52 Dobbins, Tim LB 6-1 236 30 7 Iowa State
*51 Mays, Joe MLB 5-11 245 28 6 North Dakota State
* 51 Sharpton, Darryl ILB 5-11 234 25 3 Miami (Fla.)

CB: (6)
* 34 Bouye, A.J. CB 6-0 186 R Central Florida
* 22 Carmichael, Roc CB 5-10 195 24 2 Virginia Tech
* 26 Harris, Brandon CB 5-10 194 23 2 Miami (Fla.)
27 Howard, Travis CB 6-1 200 R Ohio State
* 25 Jackson, Kareem DB 5-10 192 25 3 Alabama
* 24 Joseph, Johnathan CB 5-11 189 29 7 South Carolina
43 Mack, Elbert CB 5-10 175 27 6 Troy
* 21 McCain, Brice CB 5-9 184 26 4 Utah

Safety: (4)
30 Johnson, Orhian S 6-3 215 R Ohio State
* 31 Keo, Shiloh S 6-0 202 25 2 Idaho
* 38 Manning, Danieal S 5-11 210 30 7 Abilene Christian
PS 35 Pleasant, Eddie SS 5-10 210 24 R Oregon
29 Starling, Jawanza S 6-0 202 R S California
* 36 Swearinger, D.J. S 5-10 208 R South Carolina
* 20 Reed, Ed FS 5-11 205 34 11 Miami (Fla.)


Special Teams - (3)
* 4 Bullock, Randy K 5-9 208 23 R Texas A&M
* 9 Lechler, Shane P 6-2 230 36 13 Texas A&M
14 Shapiro, Andrew P 6-0 198 22 R Fresno State
* 46 Weeks, Jon LS 5-10 248 27 3 Baylor

The Pencil Neck
08-05-2013, 01:11 PM
Just a note but I don't think Sam Montgomery is PUPable. He's played some TC snaps, iirc.

Porky
08-05-2013, 01:14 PM
Just a note but I don't think Sam Montgomery is PUPable. He's played some TC snaps, iirc.

Good point. What about Brennan Williams? Both guys could end up on IR as well. IR is just so difficult to predict but obviously to pretend that we come out of preseason totally clean is a pipe dream.

The Pencil Neck
08-05-2013, 01:15 PM
Good point. What about Brennan Williams? Both guys could end up on IR as well. IR is just so difficult to predict but obviously to pretend that we come out of preseason totally clean is a pipe dream.

I'm not sure if Williams has had any TC snaps. He might be PUP-able but I'm not sure. I checked HT.com but they only show Arian, Posey, and Reed on the PUP.

badboy
08-05-2013, 01:40 PM
Appreciate the work Porky. Anyone voice how Clutts is doing? Don't remember seeing him mention in TC thread.

76Texan
08-05-2013, 01:43 PM
I'm not sure if Williams has had any TC snaps. He might be PUP-able but I'm not sure. I checked HT.com but they only show Arian, Posey, and Reed on the PUP.

PUP-able isn't a new word, but you certainly gave it a new meaning.
I like it! Hahahaha!

Porky
08-05-2013, 02:05 PM
Appreciate the work Porky. Anyone voice how Clutts is doing? Don't remember seeing him mention in TC thread.

Ya I haven't heard much either on Clutts. I just picked him for the roster almost by default. I'm thinking they'll want another guy handy if Jones goes down during a game, although if he isn't a good ST'er he might not be active on game day so who knows.

Playoffs
08-05-2013, 02:07 PM
Appreciate the work Porky. Anyone voice how Clutts is doing? Don't remember seeing him mention in TC thread.

Clutts is having a good camp. Greg Jones appears to be rubbing off on him(?) He was staying late for extra work, nicely clearing holes, and had one of the TC pancake blocks on Braman.

badboy
08-05-2013, 02:49 PM
Clutts is having a good camp. Greg Jones appears to be rubbing off on him(?) He was staying late for extra work, nicely clearing holes, and had one of the TC pancake blocks on Braman.

Good info, do you see a second FB as a necessity or a luxury? I am leaning towards going with one and adding player elsewhere.

Porky
08-05-2013, 03:01 PM
Good info, do you see a second FB as a necessity or a luxury? I am leaning towards going with one and adding player elsewhere.

Ya I struggled with that when building the roster. It might/should come down to ST value.

One thing I do like is that while the rest of the NFL is moving away from a FB, the Texans still use one as an integral part of the offense. That makes acquiring talent at FB cheaper and easier.

Even though Jones is up there now, I think he is still in the conversation as the best all around FB in the NFL. And he isn't one dimensional. He can catch passes, and can take a few carries. And if injuries strike bad enough, he can even be a temporary feature back. Very versatile back, powerful blocker, and can catch passes. I'm very pleased with adding Jones to the roster.

Rey
08-05-2013, 03:02 PM
I'm not sure if Williams has had any TC snaps. He might be PUP-able but I'm not sure. I checked HT.com but they only show Arian, Posey, and Reed on the PUP.

I don't keep up with all the rules and stuff, but if a guy gets an injury that'll keep him out for 5 or 6 weeks during pre-season he has to be IR'd or kept on the active roster if the team wanted to keep him?

Rey
08-05-2013, 03:06 PM
Good info, do you see a second FB as a necessity or a luxury? I am leaning towards going with one and adding player elsewhere.

I think special teams with be big for Clutts.

If Jones got hurt you could always run one back sets. I'd lean towards keeping him though...but he needs to have a strong pre-season I think.

Playoffs
08-05-2013, 03:07 PM
Good info, do you see a second FB as a necessity or a luxury? I am leaning towards going with one and adding player elsewhere.

I don't think we had much in the way of FB heavy blocking packages last year, and I'm guessing that will expand with the commitment to Greg Jones -- like when we had Leach. I'd be afraid to not have a replacement if Jones goes down. Remember there were a few FB needy teams bidding for Vonta -- Dolphins & Giants for sure.

But other roster needs may force us to rely on one.

We do have a rookie Zach Boren (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/zach-boren?id=2539652) (5'11.5"/238 Ohio State) who has garnered a few mentions, too.

Rey
08-05-2013, 03:43 PM
Alright, I'll do a quick run down:

QB: Schaub, Yates, Keenum (3)
RB: Arian, Tate, Grahm (3)
WR: Dre, Hopkins, Martin, Alan Bonner, Jeff Maehl, LeStar Jean (6)
FB: Jones, Clutts (2)
TE: OD, Grahm, Griffin (3)
OT: Brown, Newton, Harris, Quessenberry (4)
OG: Brooks, Smith (2)
C: Meyers, Ben Jones (2)

NT: Mitchell, Muir, Chris Jones (3)
DE: Watt, Smith, Crick, Jamison (4)
ILB: Cushing, Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins (4)
OLB: Reed, Merciless, Trevardo, Braman, Willie (5)
CB: JJo, Kjax, McCain, Harris, Carmichael (5)
FS: Reed, Swearinger (2)
SS: Manning, Pleasant, Keo (3)

K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

Brennan Williams, Sam Montgomery on IR

Posey on PUP

This was tough. I'm not even close to sold on what I have here. I don't know that Mont or Williams will be on IR. Posey likely goes to PUP though...

The ILB situation is going to be interesting though. I think Behind Cushing, Sharpton, Mays or Dobbins could be cut. With Brooks Reed able to slide inside if needed and the wealth of talent at OLB (if Willie plays well) then maybe one of those guys gets chopped.

A lot of names I have I could be easily convinced to cut them and insert someone else. I think I counted right and that's 53....

I think there will be a surprise cut or two as well...I actually cringed when I put Keo on there...I hope Ohrian gets a chance and shines or Pleasant beats him out...Or, I hope Keo has actually gotten better...

The Pencil Neck
08-05-2013, 03:44 PM
I don't keep up with all the rules and stuff, but if a guy gets an injury that'll keep him out for 5 or 6 weeks during pre-season he has to be IR'd or kept on the active roster if the team wanted to keep him?

My understanding is that to be able to be put on the PUP list at the beginning of the regular season, you have to have been on PUP from the beginning of TC. So if you've taken any snaps during TC, you're no longer PUP-able. Like you say, it's IR or on the Roster... for the regular season.

You can, I believe, be put on a PUP list during training camp so you don't count against the 90.

I think CnD posted the latest PUP rules... I'll have to look them up.

MidtownMikey
08-05-2013, 05:16 PM
My list and reasoning:

Offense (24)

QBs (3):

Schaub, Matt
Yates, T. J.
Keenum, Case

(if Case performs like I expect, don't think they risk putting him on the practice squad, especially with Green Bay picking up from the trash heap (VY) for a backup :-P )

OL (8):

Newton, Derrick
Brooks, Brandon
Myers, Chris
Smith, Wade
Brown, Duane

Jones, Ben
Quessenberry, David
Harris, Ryan

Williams, Brennan on IR due to knee

I don't see them carrying a 9th OL with other roster needs, and Williams knee should give them a viable reason to IR him (players have been IR'ed for pretty goofy reasons in the past)

RB (3):
Foster, Arian
Tate, Wood
Johnson, Dennis

They will definitely carry three backs, and if another performs well, I could even see a 4th carried in the place of a 2nd FB

FB (2):
Jones, Greg
Clutts, Tyler

Besides the potential value on return teams/coverage of having a big body like Clutts, I think with Jones age they might want an insurance policy. Clutts is by far the most "on the bubble" of any "vet" in my eyes though, and could easily be gone if they need an extra RB, extra TE, extra WR, or extra LB.

TE (3):

Daniels, Owen
Graham, Garrett
Griffin, Ryan

Griffin is needed for 3 TE sets, and if another TE impresses, I could see them getting a spot over Clutts.

WR (5):
Johnson, Andre
Hopkins, DeAndre
Martin, KeShawn
Bonner, Alan
Jean, Lestar

PUP-Posey. When Posey is off PUP, it would most likely be Jean in my mind that gets cut because of it (or Lemon if he made it in place of Jean depending on PS eligiblity afterwards).

I think Lestar's spot may not be safe if he does not perform well in preseason. Everything I heard/saw in person of Lemon makes him look like a serious threat to Jean's roster spot. Still, if there isn't much of a gap between them, Jean might get the nod due to the bigger body/more experience with Lemon getting PS'ed.


Overall, my offense list is the same as Porky, but I do disagree some on defense:

Defense(26)

DL (7):

Watt, JJ
Smith, Antonio
Mitchell, Earl
Jamison, Tim
Crick, Jared
McClain, Terrell
Jones, Chris

I think Chris with pads on has already shown what he is capable in training camp, and while Miur's strength is impressive, until the Texans actually use a NT over 320 pounds, I'm not going to count on one making the roster.

OLB (5):
Mercilus, Whitney
Reed, Brooks
Williams, Trevardo
Jefferson, Willie
Montgomery, Sam

While I was a big fan of Braman, I'm not sure he gets a spot on special team ability alone. In my mind despite Montgomery being behind, I don't see him getting IR'ed unless he has another injury. If he gets IR'ed he won't be able to participate in team practices, and I think that is the last thing the Texans want. They will likely keep him off IR to ensure they can try to work him into shape/get Watt and Smith on him to prepare him to actually be deserving of his 3rd round pick status.

ILB(5):
Cushing, Brian
Mays, Joe
Sharpton, Darryl
Dobbins, Tim
Collins, Cameron

I think after last year and the injury questions with all 4 linebackers (Cushing knee, Mays leg, Sharpton everything :-P and Dobbins Shoulder) they will carry a 5th ILB at the cost of a DB. Of course, if they are serious about Reed sliding to ILB in an emergency that could change but unless I see Reed getting ILB snaps again in practice or preseason I won't count on it.

CB (5):
Joseph, Johnathan
Jackson, Kareem
McCain, Brice
Harris, Brandon
Bouye, A.J.

I could see another vet being brought in to replace Bouye's spot and him being PS unless he is just lights out during the preaseason. Mack obviously wasn't the answer as a vet though from what I've seen.

Safety(4):
Reed, Ed
Manning, Danieal
Swearinger, D.J.
Keo, Shiloh

As much as I would rather see Pleasant over Keo, I think Keo still has the support of the team especially considering the most recent depth chart. Keo also has performed decently (for being coached by Marciano) on special teams, so that may be a deciding factor in him being on the team.

Special Teams (3):
Bullock, Randy
Lechler, Shane
Weeks, Jon

I really really wish they had a player besides Weeks who could reliably long snap but also provide depth at another position...

Practice Squad:
Wood, Cierre
Boren, Zach
Byrne, Jake
Lemon, Alec
Johnson, Delano
Tuggle, Justin
Pleasant, Eddie

Since I have Bouye, Collins, and Jefferson making the team, I've replaced them with Johnson, Tugge, and Pleasant. If the three are practice squaded instead in favor of vets, then Johnson, Tuggle, and Boren are the 3 I expect to be cut outright. Where Chris Jones fits is a question if he gets PS'ed in place of a vet, but I don't necessarily count on them PS'ing Byrne if they feel 100% comfortable with their 3 TEs.

And Rey, I count 54 on your list. I seriously don't see Maehl making the team though, everything I've seen from him puts him in the "JAG" (just another guy) category and I'd expect they would go with someone with a potentially higher ceiling.

MidtownMikey
08-05-2013, 05:19 PM
And my surprise cut (to some at least) would be Roc Carmichael then. Everything I've seen out of him makes me think he is cuttable, and while they won't likely give up on Harris yet, I don't think a 4th round pick has quite the same protection.

Rey
08-05-2013, 05:31 PM
My list and reasoning:

Offense (24)

QBs (3):

Schaub, Matt
Yates, T. J.
Keenum, Case

(if Case performs like I expect, don't think they risk putting him on the practice squad, especially with Green Bay picking up from the trash heap (VY) for a backup :-P )

OL (8):

Newton, Derrick
Brooks, Brandon
Myers, Chris
Smith, Wade
Brown, Duane

Jones, Ben
Quessenberry, David
Harris, Ryan

Williams, Brennan on IR due to knee

I don't see them carrying a 9th OL with other roster needs, and Williams knee should give them a viable reason to IR him (players have been IR'ed for pretty goofy reasons in the past)

RB (3):
Foster, Arian
Tate, Wood
Johnson, Dennis

They will definitely carry three backs, and if another performs well, I could even see a 4th carried in the place of a 2nd FB

FB (2):
Jones, Greg
Clutts, Tyler

Besides the potential value on return teams/coverage of having a big body like Clutts, I think with Jones age they might want an insurance policy. Clutts is by far the most "on the bubble" of any "vet" in my eyes though, and could easily be gone if they need an extra RB, extra TE, extra WR, or extra LB.

TE (3):

Daniels, Owen
Graham, Garrett
Griffin, Ryan

Griffin is needed for 3 TE sets, and if another TE impresses, I could see them getting a spot over Clutts.

WR (5):
Johnson, Andre
Hopkins, DeAndre
Martin, KeShawn
Bonner, Alan
Jean, Lestar

PUP-Posey. When Posey is off PUP, it would most likely be Jean in my mind that gets cut because of it (or Lemon if he made it in place of Jean depending on PS eligiblity afterwards).

I think Lestar's spot may not be safe if he does not perform well in preseason. Everything I heard/saw in person of Lemon makes him look like a serious threat to Jean's roster spot. Still, if there isn't much of a gap between them, Jean might get the nod due to the bigger body/more experience with Lemon getting PS'ed.


Overall, my offense list is the same as Porky, but I do disagree some on defense:

Defense(26)

DL (7):

Watt, JJ
Smith, Antonio
Mitchell, Earl
Jamison, Tim
Crick, Jared
McClain, Terrell
Jones, Chris

I think Chris with pads on has already shown what he is capable in training camp, and while Miur's strength is impressive, until the Texans actually use a NT over 320 pounds, I'm not going to count on one making the roster.

OLB (5):
Mercilus, Whitney
Reed, Brooks
Williams, Trevardo
Jefferson, Willie
Montgomery, Sam

While I was a big fan of Braman, I'm not sure he gets a spot on special team ability alone. In my mind despite Montgomery being behind, I don't see him getting IR'ed unless he has another injury. If he gets IR'ed he won't be able to participate in team practices, and I think that is the last thing the Texans want. They will likely keep him off IR to ensure they can try to work him into shape/get Watt and Smith on him to prepare him to actually be deserving of his 3rd round pick status.

ILB(5):
Cushing, Brian
Mays, Joe
Sharpton, Darryl
Dobbins, Tim
Collins, Cameron

I think after last year and the injury questions with all 4 linebackers (Cushing knee, Mays leg, Sharpton everything :-P and Dobbins Shoulder) they will carry a 5th ILB at the cost of a DB. Of course, if they are serious about Reed sliding to ILB in an emergency that could change but unless I see Reed getting ILB snaps again in practice or preseason I won't count on it.

CB (5):
Joseph, Johnathan
Jackson, Kareem
McCain, Brice
Harris, Brandon
Bouye, A.J.

I could see another vet being brought in to replace Bouye's spot and him being PS unless he is just lights out during the preaseason. Mack obviously wasn't the answer as a vet though from what I've seen.

Safety(4):
Reed, Ed
Manning, Danieal
Swearinger, D.J.
Keo, Shiloh

As much as I would rather see Pleasant over Keo, I think Keo still has the support of the team especially considering the most recent depth chart. Keo also has performed decently (for being coached by Marciano) on special teams, so that may be a deciding factor in him being on the team.

Special Teams (3):
Bullock, Randy
Lechler, Shane
Weeks, Jon

I really really wish they had a player besides Weeks who could reliably long snap but also provide depth at another position...

Practice Squad:
Wood, Cierre
Boren, Zach
Byrne, Jake
Lemon, Alec
Johnson, Delano
Tuggle, Justin
Pleasant, Eddie

Since I have Bouye, Collins, and Jefferson making the team, I've replaced them with Johnson, Tugge, and Pleasant. If the three are practice squaded instead in favor of vets, then Johnson, Tuggle, and Boren are the 3 I expect to be cut outright. Where Chris Jones fits is a question if he gets PS'ed in place of a vet, but I don't necessarily count on them PS'ing Byrne if they feel 100% comfortable with their 3 TEs.

And Rey, I count 54 on your list. I seriously don't see Maehl making the team though, everything I've seen from him puts him in the "JAG" (just another guy) category and I'd expect they would go with someone with a potentially higher ceiling.

There's a few people I don't see making the team on your list either. But I'm not going to debate that right now. I picked mahael for a reason.

Porky
08-05-2013, 05:31 PM
Thanks for participating guys. Thoughtful stuff. It's so early in the process, it's all just a mental exercise but worth considering how the roster may play out.

Mikey, I didn't see Roc Carmichael on your list? Oversight or do you see him being cut? If you do, I would dispute that. If anything I see Harris as a potential surprise cut. JMO.

Edit: Mikey, we cross posted. I do now see your thoughts there. Disagree though as Roc has had a lot of positive reports. Of course, all this is mostly moot until the lights come on. You could certainly be right. Thanks for the clarification.

I also have trouble finding room for Maehl. He's not a bad player, but nothing stands out, and we've seen him before. From all reports Lemon is catching everything in sight, and his only issue is he can't get separation. Of course, if you are catching anything thrown your way anyway, it may not be something that keeps him from playing for a long time. It does help explain how Nassib's favorite target went undrafted though.

Having said that, I suspect Lemon makes the PS, and they give one last shot to Jean. I think it's put up or shut up time. Jean is wildly inconsistent, and that is an issue.

Corrosion
08-05-2013, 05:47 PM
Been thinking about this the past few days .... Lots of battles across the roster.

Almost started a thread similar this morning but I didn't have time to put together a detailed post - Been tending my wife who had surgery on Thursday (tonsillectomy) .... Ugh , hurry up and get better so I can go fishin woman!



I'll have a detailed response in a day or two .... really have to evaluate each position critically .... when Im not feeding my wife jello ....

MidtownMikey
08-05-2013, 05:52 PM
There's a few people I don't see making the team on your list either. But I'm not going to debate that right now. I picked mahael for a reason.

I was mainly pointing out you listed 54 with only 53 spots. Since WR had 6 in the position group, I figured it would be the spot you'd cut from. Who do you see as being the most cutable out of the 54 you listed to drop to 53? Clutts, Jefferson, Chris Jones, Braman, Carmichael or someone else?

Playoffs
08-05-2013, 06:12 PM
It's wayyyyy early, but Trevardo needs to step it up.

MidtownMikey
08-05-2013, 06:23 PM
I heard he had an interception return off a tip this last practice, but none of the OLBs seem to be getting great reviews on run defense, and both Trevardo and Braman I've heard being swallowed up by tackles against the pass too. Speed doesn't help either if they let the lineman get their hands on them every time.

drs23
08-05-2013, 07:03 PM
I heard he had an interception return off a tip this last practice, but none of the OLBs seem to be getting great reviews on run defense, and both Trevardo and Braman I've heard being swallowed up by tackles against the pass too. Speed doesn't help either if they let the lineman get their hands on them every time.

Agreed. OLB is still a problem area that I don't see a readily available solution to. I hope JJ can negate that issue for at least one more season.
*fingers crossed*

Porky
08-05-2013, 08:18 PM
I'm worried about OLB too guys, and LB in general. Inside it's health, outside its health and talent. It may be the one position that keeps this D at merely good to very good, when it has the potential to be great. I'm really happy with the talent and depth at Dline and secondary and I think that's enough to put us at or near the top 10 almost by default. The OLB's being a threat will put us over the top, and make this a top 3 type D IF we can get some guys to step it up. Big IF there.

MidtownMikey
08-05-2013, 08:31 PM
I think Mercilus has the talent to be a double digit sack guy if he stays healthy, but yeah, health is concerning with all the linebackers getting dinged up in training camp.

Wish there was a way we could bubble wrap them all... (know the joke on Battle Red Blog is an elbow brace is the solution for everything :-P ).

Corrosion
08-06-2013, 01:30 AM
I think Mercilus has the talent to be a double digit sack guy if he stays healthy, but yeah, health is concerning with all the linebackers getting dinged up in training camp.

Wish there was a way we could bubble wrap them all... (know the joke on Battle Red Blog is an elbow brace is the solution for everything :-P ).

Mercilus pass rushing ability is evident .... I'm seriously concerned with the OLB;s ability to set the edge / stop the run.

Braman , Mercilus , Jefferson and Williams all have the same question mark .... One of those guys has to step up alongside Brooks Reed and take the bull by the horns .... I doubt Sam Montgomery is PUP'd. I think it boils down to Jefferson making the final roster or not - Don't think he clears waivers.

Going to be some interesting decisions to make on the final 53 this year.

Cant see them keeping two FB's in Clutts & Jones .... Its one or the other.

At WR - Does Posey make the final 53 or does he go PUP ?! AJ , Hopkins , Martin , Bonner ... and Posey. Don't see 6 sticking this year. Its four if Posey goes PUP and five if he doesn't.


At ILB , its going to be tough to let Cameron Collins go. Could see carrying one less safety (Between Keo and Pleasant) and keeping him.


Man , is this team loaded at CB / Safety or what ?! Its going to be hard to cut any of those guy's.

Wolf6151
08-06-2013, 02:43 AM
How many players are the Texans allowed to PUP at the beginning of the season and bring back mid-season if necessary?

The Pencil Neck
08-06-2013, 10:31 AM
OK.

Let's see what I've got... at this point from what I've heard...

Offense (24):
QB: Schaub, Yates, Keenum
FB: Jones, Clutts
RB: Foster, Tate, Johnson
WR: AJ, Hopkins, Martin, Bonner, Jean
TE: OD, GG, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, Harris, Williams
G: Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, Jones

Defense (26):
DL: Watt, Smith, Mitchell, Crick, Jamison, Muir
OLB: Reed, Mercilus, Montgomery, Jefferson, Williams
ILB: Cushing, Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins, Collins
CB: JJo, KJ, McCain, Harris, Bouye
S: Manning, Keo, Swearinger, Pleasant

ST (3):
K: Bullock
LS: Weeks
P: Lechler


PUP: Posey, Reed
PS: Boren (FB), Wood (RB), Lemon (WR), Tuggle (LB)
(Removed Williams from IR)

MidtownMikey
08-06-2013, 10:39 AM
Hope they don't need to PUP Reed. I think we can manage against the Chargers without him, but would like him for some of our other matchups afterwards :-X

Also you listed Williams as OT and also listed him on IR. From the 24 count on offense my guess is you just forgot to take him off the offense list :-)

I was thinking Roc would be a cut like your list, but then I noticed an article on the main page about him, plus some more rave reviews the past few practices. I could see him being like McManis last year and used in a trade for a vet at a position we have less depth (*cough* OLB *cough*) at though depending on what is out there...

OK.

Let's see what I've got... at this point from what I've heard...

Offense (24):
QB: Schaub, Yates, Keenum
FB: Jones, Clutts
RB: Foster, Tate, Johnson
WR: AJ, Hopkins, Martin, Bonner, Jean
TE: OD, GG, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, Harris, Williams
G: Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, Jones

Defense (26):
DL: Watt, Smith, Mitchell, Crick, Jamison, Muir
OLB: Reed, Mercilus, Montgomery, Jefferson, Williams
ILB: Cushing, Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins, Collins
CB: JJo, KJ, McCain, Harris, Bouye
S: Manning, Keo, Swearinger, Pleasant

ST (3):
K: Bullock
LS: Weeks
P: Lechler


PUP: Posey, Reed
PS: Boren (FB), Wood (RB), Lemon (WR), Tuggle (LB)
IR: Williams

The Pencil Neck
08-06-2013, 10:43 AM
Hope they don't need to PUP Reed. I think we can manage against the Chargers without him, but would like him for some of our other matchups afterwards :-X


I'm not expecting him back before the 6th game. If we get him back sooner than that, great.


Also you listed Williams as OT and also listed him on IR. From the 24 count on offense my guess is you just forgot to take him off the offense list :-)


lol :kubepalm:

I debated him back and forth and back again. I meant for him to be on the roster and NOT on IR.


I was thinking Roc would be a cut like your list, but then I noticed an article on the main page about him, plus some more rave reviews the past few practices. I could see him being like McManis last year and used in a trade for a vet at a position we have less depth (*cough* OLB *cough*) at though depending on what is out there...

Yeah... I'm not sure how those DBs are going to shake out. I've heard some good things about Carmichael, but I've also heard some bad. So I left him off.

MidtownMikey
08-06-2013, 10:46 AM
Well I think you were one short on defense, so it works out numbers wise.

My guess with leaving Chris Jones off the roster is he'd be practice squaded this year? Now that Miur is back from his ankle injury I could see that happening. I had left Miur off mine because I thought his injury was more serious than it looks, plus we just don't get that planetoid NT it seems everyone lusts for :-P

I'm not expecting him back before the 6th game. If we get him back sooner than that, great.



lol :kubepalm:

I debated him back and forth and back again. I meant for him to be on the roster and NOT on IR.



Yeah... I'm not sure how those DBs are going to shake out. I've heard some good things about Carmichael, but I've also heard some bad. So I left him off.

The Pencil Neck
08-06-2013, 10:51 AM
Well I think you were one short on defense, so it works out numbers wise.

My guess with leaving Chris Jones off the roster is he'd be practice squaded this year? Now that Miur is back from his ankle injury I could see that happening. I had left Miur off mine because I thought his injury was more serious than it looks, plus we just don't get that planetoid NT it seems everyone lusts for :-P

Yep, I put Jones on PS and Muir was a real toughie for me. I decided to stick him on. Wade isn't totally against planetoids as long as they're the right planetoids and I've liked what I've heard about Muir.

BUT... I totally forgot about Braman.

Porky
08-06-2013, 12:22 PM
Tell you what, Kubes and gang have some tough decisions to make. I mean here we are, a bunch of armchair QB's and we can't even make the cuts. It's tough. Some good players will have to either go to the PS or be cut. I see about 60-65 players that could potentially make an active roster - if not ours than somewhere else, and more that deserve a spot on a PS somewhere. This is a damn good group of prospects.

Things should start to work themselves out Friday. The cream tends to rise to the top. Plus, we'll have a few hangnails that turn into IR (ie stashing guys), and we have 8 that can go to the PS.

MidtownMikey
08-06-2013, 12:42 PM
Yeah, I think last year after our cuts 8 of the players we cut were picked up on practice squads of other teams. Grimes was also a good example of a PS player for the Texans that saw playing time on another NFL team (similiar situation with OBGY two seasons ago). We had to bring Cody White to the roster last year too due to another team wanting to snatch him from our practice squad.

Definitely an improvement from 3-4 years ago when it was the Texans often picking up scraps from other teams, not the other way around.

MidtownMikey
08-10-2013, 12:37 PM
Here is my early twitch reaction to how the first game would affect my roster choices. Obviously a lot can change in the next 2 games though, especially as more players get healthy and see time

IN (5):

Wood, Cierre (active roster instead of PS) - I think he seemed more confident in hitting the hole then Johnson

Karem, Deji (active roster instead of being cut) - Looked good on special teams and also seemed to be a better one cut runner than Johnson. Kubes might also want a vet for the true #3.

Lemon, Alec (active roster instead of PS) - limited action/targets, but showed good hands which could keep him from being a safe practice squad stash

Mohamed, Mike (active roster instead of PS, realized he would have been #8 for me and I didn't put him on it and only had 7) - showed leadership and an understanding of the defense, also made a few nice plays

Braman, Bryan (active roster instead of being cut) - he definitely looked better as an OLB, and I think that will be key for him to make the team over Trevardo/Jefferson. The tough call is Trevardo has not looked good, but without an "injury" to stash him, I'm not sure they would be willing to cut a 4th round pick the same year they drafted him. They practice squaded Keo initially, but he was a 5th round pick and didn't have the physical talent (speed) Trevardo has.


Out (5):

Johnson, Dennis (practice squad instead of Wood) - He should have let that punt go in my mind instead of fair catching, plus he danced way too much in the 2nd quarter on runs costing negative yardage

Clutts, Tyler - He looked good to me, but Kubiak mentioned after the game that he could have 4 running backs if they played great on special teams, and if they think Boren will make it on the practice squad I could see them relying on that should Greg Jones get injured later.

Bonner, Alan (maybe IR or practice squad, hope he is heathly for Miami game) - Wanted to see him, so disappointed he was injured. If he stays injured and doesn't get reps, the Texans might not worry someone would grab him off the practice squad and may also see him as too raw to make any impact this season so I could see him being p-squad stashed til next

Collins, Cameron (practice squad if he is still eligible which I believe he is) - I didn't really notice him (didn't show up on the stat sheet either). I think Mohamed looked good enough that he'd be at risk of getting picked up if they attempted to put him on the practice squad.

Williams, Trevardo (IR if at all possible) - If they can find a way to stash him on the IR, I think they will. Right now he just doesn't look ready to play OLB in the NFL, but he has too much physical talent to give up on immediately.


I'm currenty feeling good with my prediction Roc won't make the team. He looked *bad* to me in that first game.

phantom17
08-11-2013, 01:28 PM
OK.

Let's see what I've got... at this point from what I've heard...

Offense (24):
QB: Schaub, Yates, Keenum
FB: Jones, Clutts
RB: Foster, Tate, Johnson
WR: AJ, Hopkins, Martin, Bonner, Jean
TE: OD, GG, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, Harris, Williams
G: Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, Jones

Defense (26):
DL: Watt, Smith, Mitchell, Crick, Jamison, Muir
OLB: Reed, Mercilus, Montgomery, Jefferson, Williams
ILB: Cushing, Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins, Collins
CB: JJo, KJ, McCain, Harris, Bouye
S: Manning, Keo, Swearinger, Pleasant

ST (3):
K: Bullock
LS: Weeks
P: Lechler


PUP: Posey, Reed
PS: Boren (FB), Wood (RB), Lemon (WR), Tuggle (LB)
(Removed Williams from IR)



I really like the picks! However, I'm not feeling it with D Johnson RB, I like C Wood or DJ Karim. I'm tired of waiting for Harris CB to step it up. I hope they stash Shapiro P for a year, & take over for old man Shane L. I hope they keep Jefferson OLB.:)

The Pencil Neck
08-11-2013, 01:54 PM
I really like the picks! However, I'm not feeling it with D Johnson RB, I like C Wood or DJ Karim. I'm tired of waiting for Harris CB to step it up. I hope they stash Shapiro P for a year, & take over for old man Shane L. I hope they keep Jefferson OLB.:)

I put that together prior to the Vikings game. I'd change some of that around now.

I think Wood instead of Johnson at RB and McClain instead of Muir at DT. I'm not sure what's going to happen at OLB between Braman, Jefferson, and Tuggle.

I think someone needs to twist Shapiro's ankle or something so we can stash him on IR because the way he's punting, he's not going to stay on the PS.

Can't wait for the next game to see more.

phantom17
08-11-2013, 03:04 PM
I put that together prior to the Vikings game. I'd change some of that around now.

I think Wood instead of Johnson at RB and McClain instead of Muir at DT. I'm not sure what's going to happen at OLB between Braman, Jefferson, and Tuggle.

I think someone needs to twist Shapiro's ankle or something so we can stash him on IR because the way he's punting, he's not going to stay on the PS.

Can't wait for the next game to see more.


I AGREE! I'm also hoping they stash Shapiro for the near future!:)

Corrosion
08-11-2013, 03:43 PM
Offense (24):
QB: Schaub, Yates
FB: Jones
RB: Foster, Tate, Wood
WR: AJ, Hopkins, Martin, Posey, Bonner (Jean until Posey comes off the PUP)
TE: OD, GG, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, Harris, Gardner , Williams
G: Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, Jones

Defense (26):
DL: Watt, Smith, Mitchell, Crick, Jamison, McClain
OLB: Reed, Mercilus, Montgomery, Braman, T.Williams, Jefferson
ILB: Cushing, Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins,
CB: JJo, KJ, McCain, Harris, Bouye
S: Manning, Reed, Keo, Swearinger, Pleasant

ST (3):
K: Bullock
LS: Weeks
P: Lechler

Porky
08-11-2013, 05:33 PM
Offense (24):
QB: Schaub, Yates
FB: Jones
RB: Foster, Tate, Wood
WR: AJ, Hopkins, Martin, Posey, Bonner (Jean until Posey comes off the PUP)
TE: OD, GG, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, Harris, Gardner , Williams
G: Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, Jones

Defense (26):
DL: Watt, Smith, Mitchell, Crick, Jamison, McClain
OLB: Reed, Mercilus, Montgomery, Braman, T.Williams, Jefferson
ILB: Cushing, Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins,
CB: JJo, KJ, McCain, Harris, Bouye
S: Manning, Reed, Keo, Swearinger, Pleasant

ST (3):
K: Bullock
LS: Weeks
P: Lechler

No case? You trying to stash him on the PS? Also, only 3 RB and 1 FB seems thin to me. I think it's either 4/1 or 3/2 myself.

Corrosion
08-11-2013, 06:51 PM
No case? You trying to stash him on the PS? Also, only 3 RB and 1 FB seems thin to me. I think it's either 4/1 or 3/2 myself.

Keenum has to earn that spot. He hasn't done that just yet ... Its highly possible he sticks but I cant give him the roster spot "Yet."


Look what they had at RB last season - Foster , Tate & Forsett with only Casey until they brought in Clutts late in the year. I think Jones will be the only FB on the roster , many teams don't carry any.

Texn4life
08-11-2013, 07:02 PM
Keenum has to earn that spot. He hasn't done that just yet ... Its highly possible he sticks but I cant give him the roster spot "Yet."


Look what they had at RB last season - Foster , Tate & Forsett with only Casey until they brought in Clutts late in the year. I think Jones will be the only FB on the roster , many teams don't carry any.

I like your list personally, but its a little OT, Safety, and OLB heavy liking. I understand the extra safety because Reed probably won't be back by week 1, but I think either Gardner, Harris, or Williams won't make it at Tackle. OLB is another position where I just can't see us taking 6.

Corrosion
08-11-2013, 07:16 PM
I like your list personally, but its a little OT, Safety, and OLB heavy liking. I understand the extra safety because Reed probably won't be back by week 1, but I think either Gardner, Harris, or Williams won't make it at Tackle. OLB is another position where I just can't see us taking 6.

OT - If Keenum earns a spot , I think that one of those guys go. The question is who .... Maybe one of them gets a mysterious injury.


OLB & Safety - I'd prefer to keep another corner and a DE/DT. If one of the OLB's goes , I think its Jefferson to the PS.

I cant decide between Keo & Pleasant. Going to be hard for both to make the final 53.




This list is fluid , it'll change from week to week during the preseason based upon who shows well. A big part of keeping extra players at those positions at this point is .... we haven't seen sh!t from the draft picks at OT & OLB.

Texn4life
08-11-2013, 07:20 PM
OT - If Keenum earns a spot , I think that one of those guys go. The question is who .... Maybe one of them gets a mysterious injury.


OLB & Safety - I'd prefer to keep another corner and a DE/DT. If one of the OLB's goes , I think its Jefferson to the PS.

I cant decide between Keo & Pleasant. Going to be hard for both to make the final 53.




This list is fluid , it'll change from week to week during the preseason based upon who shows well.

I agree with everything you said except I think Williams will be stashed. Jefferson can probably help us more right now situationally.

I think Pleasant and Keo can both make it, but it all depends on Reed and how the team feels about his health moving forward. Its tough to carry that many safeties.

Rey
08-11-2013, 07:44 PM
QB: Schaub, Yates, case
RB: Arian, Tate, karim
FB: Jones, Clutts
WR: Dre, Hopkins, Martin, Bonner, Posey
OT: brown, newton, Harris, quess
OG: brooks, smith
OC: Meyers, Jones
TE: OD, grahm, griffen

DE: watt, smith, Jamison, crick
NT: Mitchell, mcClain, Chris jones
OLB: Reed, Mercilus, Willie, trevardo, Montgomery, Braman
ILB: Cushing, Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins
CB: Kareem, Joseph, McCain, Harris, Bouye
Safety: reed, manning, swearinger, pleasant

K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

PS:
Ja'gared Davis
Shapiro
Cierre Wood
Lemon
Nwachuku
Tuggle
Boren
Ohrian johnson




That was hard. Even putting together a practice squad is hard.

That's where I think I'm at right now. I wish trevardo and/or Montgomery could be PS. Or even Case.

Either way I'm not sold or dead set on this roster, it's just where I'm at right now...and really I hate my own roster. Well..I don't hate it...it's just frustrating putting the fringe guys here they should go.

MidtownMikey
08-12-2013, 09:08 AM
I'm definitely expecting someone that the Texans put on their practice squad (or at least attempt to) will get snatched up by another team and see some actual regular season playing time.

State of the Texans put up their "version 3" of a 53-man roster and I saw a few surprises there I do not agree with.

First Patrick Starr had only 3 running backs and 1 FB, which seems a bit low, even if that is what the Texans were going to have last year before Clutts.

Second, he puts David Hunter on the roster over McClain, which I just don't see, especially since McClain was on the active roster last year. Only way that makes sense if if there is a lot in practice where Hunter is outshining McClain that I just haven't seen.

Third, he has them carrying both Tuggle and Jefferson, when I think it is one or the other. To do that he has them practice squading Trevardo Williams, which I just don't see with a 4th rounder that they just drafted (though I would be a fan of IR-stashing him if he gets "injured"). He also has them cutting Braman outright, which unless he has a stinker of a next 2/3 games, I think he still keeps his roster spot due to his special teams ability.

Finally, because he has them cutting Braman, he includes Mack on the roster. Nothing I've seen out of Elbert Mack makes me think he is a viable "vet presence" so I'm not sure how someone could put him in the same category as a Jason Allen type corner.

Definitely like your most recent version of the roster Rey better than the State of the Texans one.

Of course, if Mack has a 2 interception game, Hunter comes away with 3 sacks, Braman doesn't do anything right, and Trevardo remains a ghost, Patrick Starr will look like a fortune teller.

Rey
08-12-2013, 11:34 AM
I had Jefferson on my roster, but tuggle had the better game.

Really, I'd cut trevardo if it was just based on performance.

JCTexan
08-12-2013, 11:42 AM
Keenum has to earn that spot. He hasn't done that just yet ... Its highly possible he sticks but I cant give him the roster spot "Yet."


Look what they had at RB last season - Foster , Tate & Forsett with only Casey until they brought in Clutts late in the year. I think Jones will be the only FB on the roster , many teams don't carry any.

They traded for Clutts before the season started. It was right at the cut-deadline.

EVOLVIST
08-12-2013, 12:51 PM
QB: Schaub, Yates, Keenum
RB: Arian, Tate, Woods
FB: Jones, Clutts
WR: Dre, Hopkins, Martin, Bonner, Lemon (until Posey gets back)
OT: brown, newton, Harris, quess
OG: brooks, smith
OC: Meyers, Jones
TE: OD, grahm, griffen

DE: watt, smith, Jamison, crick
NT: Mitchell, mcClain, Chris jones
OLB: Reed, Mercilus, Jefferson, Tuggle, Williams, Braman
ILB: Cushing, Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins
CB: Kareem, Joseph, McCain, Harris, Bouye
Safety: reed, manning, swearinger, pleasant

K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

IR - Sam Montgomery



I agree with everything on here, but see my changes.

Blake
08-12-2013, 01:38 PM
Taking Byrne over Griffin so we have a legit blocking TE. Also taking Karim due to experience. Also cutting CarMichael for a CB that gets cut from another camp.

QB(3) Schaub/Yates/Keenum
RB(5) Foster/Tate/Karim/G. Jones/Clutts
TE(3) Daniels/Graham/Byrne
OL(9) Brown/W. Smith/Myers/Brooks/Newton/Jones/Harris/Gardner/Quessenberry
WR (5) Johnson/Jean/Hopkins/Martin/Bonner

DE(4) Watt/A.Smith/Crick/Jamison
DT(3) Mitchell/McClain/Muir
LB (9) Cushing/Mays/Sharpton/B. Reed/Mercilus/Braman/Dobbins/Jefferson/T. Williams
CB(5) Joseph/Jackson/McCain/Harris/FREE AGENT
S (4) Manning/Swearinger/Pleasant/Keo

ST (3) Weeks/Lechler/Bullock

PUP Ed Reed
PUP Sam Montgomery
PUP DeVier Posey
PUP Brennan Williams

MidtownMikey
08-12-2013, 03:14 PM
PUP Ed Reed
PUP Sam Montgomery
PUP DeVier Posey
PUP Brennan Williams

Just a small rules issue, but only players who have yet to practice in training camp can be placed on the PUP list.

This would mean Montgomery for sure is excluded, and I believe Williams also. If they are to be "injury stashed" it would have to be of the IR variety. Not sure if either would be considered valuable enough to "designate to return" as that option would likely be saved in case one of our stars got injured during the season (obviously I'm crossing my fingers that does not happen). Also all PUP/IR/NFI/etc. desinations count towards the salary cap, so with the little space the Texans have, it might limit how much stashing the Texans really do.

Unrelated to PUP/IR, I decided to go back and look at 2011 and 2012 roster #s at the very start of the season:

2012:

Offense (25)
QB (3)
RB (3)
FB (2)
WR (6)
TE (2)
OT (3)
C (2)
OG (4)

Defense (25)
NT (2)
DE (4)
ILB (4)
OLB (5)
CB (6)
S (4)

ST (3)


2011:

Offense (24)
QB (3)
RB (4)
FB (2)
TE (3)
WR (4)
OT (4)
C (1)
OG (3)

Defense (26)
NT (2)
DE (4)
OLB (5)
ILB (4)
CB (7)
S (4)

ST(3)

Two things that stood out to me was the large # of WRs/lack of TEs last year (obviously influenced by the carrying of Trindon last year as a "WR" and Casey being dual purpose) and the incredible # of corner backs on the roster just 2 years ago (though less than 2 weeks in Roc was IR'ed and Anderson was brought back as a 5th WR).

It does show that sometimes talent will outweigh balance, so just because it doesn't seem to make sense for this year's team to carry more than 6 D-Linemen or a 4th RB, I wouldn't count any player out just because their position group is crowded if all are talented enough.

Can't wait for this weeks and next's preseason game!

Porky
08-13-2013, 09:48 AM
Taking Byrne over Griffin so we have a legit blocking TE. Also taking Karim due to experience. Also cutting CarMichael for a CB that gets cut from another camp.

QB(3) Schaub/Yates/Keenum
RB(5) Foster/Tate/Karim/G. Jones/Clutts
TE(3) Daniels/Graham/Byrne
OL(9) Brown/W. Smith/Myers/Brooks/Newton/Jones/Harris/Gardner/Quessenberry
WR (5) Johnson/Jean/Hopkins/Martin/Bonner

DE(4) Watt/A.Smith/Crick/Jamison
DT(3) Mitchell/McClain/Muir
LB (9) Cushing/Mays/Sharpton/B. Reed/Mercilus/Braman/Dobbins/Jefferson/T. Williams
CB(5) Joseph/Jackson/McCain/Harris/FREE AGENT
S (4) Manning/Swearinger/Pleasant/Keo

ST (3) Weeks/Lechler/Bullock

PUP Ed Reed
PUP Sam Montgomery
PUP DeVier Posey
PUP Brennan Williams

I can't see Byrne leap-frogging Griffin. Granted, not completely out of the question, but I just can't see it. From all accounts, Griffin has exceeded expectations. Byrne could be a good PS candidate though.

The Pencil Neck
08-13-2013, 10:44 AM
I can't see Byrne leap-frogging Griffin. Granted, not completely out of the question, but I just can't see it. From all accounts, Griffin has exceeded expectations. Byrne could be a good PS candidate though.

I thought both Griffin and Byrne looked good. If anything, it's going to make it hard not to have 4 TEs on the team and with this offense, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Blake
08-13-2013, 10:57 AM
I can't see Byrne leap-frogging Griffin. Granted, not completely out of the question, but I just can't see it. From all accounts, Griffin has exceeded expectations. Byrne could be a good PS candidate though.

I thought both Griffin and Byrne looked good. If anything, it's going to make it hard not to have 4 TEs on the team and with this offense, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

He was a Wisconsin TE. LOCK TO MAKE THE TEAM!!!

;)

Seegara
08-13-2013, 11:43 AM
Pleasant to make roster at safety, Keo out.

Porky
08-13-2013, 12:29 PM
Pleasant to make roster at safety, Keo out.

So, they still grow trolls in your neck of the woods eh? :smiliepalm:

Playoffs
08-13-2013, 01:25 PM
I thought both Griffin and Byrne looked good.
Yes, I'm particularly excited now about a TE group that I thought had depth concerns.

Blake
08-13-2013, 01:53 PM
Just a small rules issue, but only players who have yet to practice in training camp can be placed on the PUP list.

This would mean Montgomery for sure is excluded, and I believe Williams also. If they are to be "injury stashed" it would have to be of the IR variety. Not sure if either would be considered valuable enough to "designate to return" as that option would likely be saved in case one of our stars got injured during the season (obviously I'm crossing my fingers that does not happen). Also all PUP/IR/NFI/etc. desinations count towards the salary cap, so with the little space the Texans have, it might limit how much stashing the Texans really do.

I gotcha. Well the Texans will have to tell us if they think Montgomery and Williams are healthy enough to carry on the roster or IR candidates.

Seegara
08-13-2013, 02:01 PM
So, they still grow trolls in your neck of the woods eh? :smiliepalm:
What's the trouble? Having a tail crack attack?

Corrosion
08-13-2013, 03:31 PM
What's the trouble? Having a tail crack attack?

Texans’ Keo happy to add starting safety to list of responsibilities (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/08/texans-keo-happy-to-add-starting-safety-to-list-of-responsibilities/)

Insideop
08-13-2013, 04:18 PM
Well, it looks like Wade Smith could be out of the lineup for awhile. He just got his knee scoped this morning. http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Left-guard-Wade-Smith-has-knee-surgery-on-Tuesday/8a8eae5e-8312-4c1c-86d2-8f8491aefc16. Also, I just heard on 610 that this is his 2nd knee surgery this year. :smiliepalm: Looks like the O-line position battles just got a little more interesting!

thunderkyss
08-13-2013, 04:39 PM
I really like the picks! However, I'm not feeling it with D Johnson RB, I like C Wood or DJ Karim. I'm tired of waiting for Harris CB to step it up. I hope they stash Shapiro P for a year, & take over for old man Shane L. I hope they keep Jefferson OLB.:)

I think it's too early to count out D.Johnson.

Cierre Wood "looked" better, but the coaches saw something in DJ. Chances are his poor showing had nothing to do with him.

I think Cierre Wood earned playing time with the 1s & 2s & I thought Karim did a respectable job as well.

Going to Miami I would try to get Dj & CW some reps with the 1s & 2s, then feature Karim in the 3rd qtr. I'd run no one but Tate in the 4th, just to keep him warm.

It's not a demotion, when healthy I know what Tate can do. But I'd want to work the other guys with the 1s & 2s & can't afford to give them to Tate.

Rey
08-13-2013, 04:44 PM
Not happening.

thunderkyss
08-13-2013, 04:56 PM
I had Jefferson on my roster, but tuggle had the better game.

Really, I'd cut trevardo if it was just based on performance.

I may just be drinking the koolaid, but I think Jefferson can develop into a blue chip with the right coaching. No way I expose him to the waiver wire.

Tuggle had a very strong game, I'd put him on my list. (If I weren't so lazy)

To make room for him I Travardo is going to have a bad hammy or something & I'll stash him on IR.

Or I'd cut Dobbins outright. I hate to do it, but Reed's versatility (& I still think he'd make a better ILB than OLB) allows me to do it.

We need outside pass rushers in a bad way, I want as many bullets in my gun as I can get.

TexansFTW
08-14-2013, 08:52 AM
Roto is a great website but their latest report says that LeStar Jean is "squarely on the roster bubble". I love their breaking news, but think their analysis is more often poor at best than anything else.

Do yall agree that he is "squarely on the bubble" or do you, like me, believe he is almost certainly making the final 53?


...Martin is locked into a roster spot, where he'll be the Texans' primary return man and slot receiver. He figures to improve at least slightly on last year's 10/85/1 line. Lestar Jean is squarely on the roster bubble.

MidtownMikey
08-14-2013, 09:07 AM
Roto is a great website but their latest report says that LeStar Jean is "squarely on the roster bubble". I love their breaking news, but think their analysis is more often poor at best than anything else.

Do yall agree that he is "squarely on the bubble" or do you, like me, believe he is almost certainly making the final 53?

I think LeStar Jean makes the roster in the end with Posey on the PUP, *BUT* would be the most likely cut to make room for Posey once he can return mid-season.

The Pencil Neck
08-14-2013, 09:59 AM
Roto is a great website but their latest report says that LeStar Jean is "squarely on the roster bubble". I love their breaking news, but think their analysis is more often poor at best than anything else.

Do yall agree that he is "squarely on the bubble" or do you, like me, believe he is almost certainly making the final 53?

I think he's definitely on the bubble and tending to cut.

If they bring Posey off the PUP next week like they've been hinting, Jean is gone. After the performance he had last week, he's got to scramble and start making some plays or that's it for him.

JCTexan
08-14-2013, 10:20 AM
Roto is a great website but their latest report says that LeStar Jean is "squarely on the roster bubble". I love their breaking news, but think their analysis is more often poor at best than anything else.

Do yall agree that he is "squarely on the bubble" or do you, like me, believe he is almost certainly making the final 53?

If Posey gets off the PUP next week, I would say Jean is on the bubble.

Porky
08-14-2013, 12:34 PM
Cierre Wood "looked" better, but the coaches saw something in DJ. Chances are his poor showing had nothing to do with him.

So, CW jsut "looked" good. He wasn't actually good? And chances are DJ's poor showing had nothing to do with him? Was he having an out of body experience?

Is this some kind of conspiracy theory your building? :tinfoil:

thunderkyss
08-14-2013, 12:38 PM
So, CW jsut "looked" good. He wasn't actually good? And chances are DJ's poor showing had nothing to do with him? Was he having an out of body experience?

Is this some kind of conspiracy theory your building? :tinfoil:

I'm not telling





:kitten:

The Pencil Neck
08-14-2013, 12:39 PM
So, CW jsut "looked" good. He wasn't actually good? And chances are DJ's poor showing had nothing to do with him? Was he having an out of body experience?

Is this some kind of conspiracy theory your building? :tinfoil:

He's saying that the blocking was better against the 3rd teamers Wood was playing against and that our 1's and 2's didn't play very well against Minnesota's 1's and 2's.

Corrosion
08-14-2013, 05:30 PM
He's saying that the blocking was better against the 3rd teamers Wood was playing against and that our 1's and 2's didn't play very well against Minnesota's 1's and 2's.

Hard to say if it was blocking .... What I saw from Wood was one cut and get gone. DJ on the other hand didn't seem as quick to or thru the holes.


Wood reminded me of Foster .... on several runs both inside & out.


One thing we have to take into consideration is who is better at picking up the blitz & blocking .... knowing how big a deal that is to Gary. That was the biggest issue Gary had with Foster early on.

The Pencil Neck
08-14-2013, 06:52 PM
Hard to say if it was blocking .... What I saw from Wood was one cut and get gone. DJ on the other hand didn't seem as quick to or thru the holes.


Wood reminded me of Foster .... on several runs both inside & out.


One thing we have to take into consideration is who is better at picking up the blitz & blocking .... knowing how big a deal that is to Gary. That was the biggest issue Gary had with Foster early on.

I was pretty pleasantly surprised with DJs ability to pass protect.

Corrosion
08-14-2013, 07:07 PM
I was pretty pleasantly surprised with DJs ability to pass protect.

Same here & I think that's a big part of why he's playing with the 1's.

Rey
08-15-2013, 07:29 AM
Dennis Johnson is Slaton re-incarnated.

Rey
08-15-2013, 07:31 AM
Hadn't seen it posted anywhere but it looks like karim is going to get the back duty to Ben Tate.

thunderkyss
08-15-2013, 07:45 AM
So, CW jsut "looked" good. He wasn't actually good? And chances are DJ's poor showing had nothing to do with him? Was he having an out of body experience?

Is this some kind of conspiracy theory your building? :tinfoil:

All I'm saying is the conclusions we make after watching one preseason game are most likely not very accurate.

The coaches draw up the plays, they practice those plays against a "known" defense. Come game time, everything that happens on the defensive side of the ball is your wild-card, & you get to see how your team made adjustments.

If D.Johnson has been playing well enough in practice to get 1st team snaps, he's been playing well enough to get 1st team snaps. So I have to believe if the line executed the play 100% correctly that Dj would have performed better than Cierre Wood (unless the Texans are working on something like his maturity, or work ethic, I don't know). If the line ahead of him didn't make the proper adjustments, it makes it harder for him to make the proper reads.

My question now would be how poorly can the line play before Cierre Wood becomes the better back. Maybe if there's a 10% breakdown, Dj is still the better back, maybe if there's a 25% breakdown, Cierre has the ability to make something happen that Dj doesn't.

But from what I saw Dj didn't have a lot to work with & Cierre had many options.

Of course even a preseason game is faster than training camp practice, so that might have been part of it too. Watching the game, like everyone else, I'm wondering how Dj got 1st team snaps, but I don't know that Cierre Wood would have done much better.

We've all seen preseason All-Pros that didn't amount to much once the season started.

Brandon420tx
08-17-2013, 10:25 PM
QB: Schaub, Yates, Keenum (3)
RB: Arian, Tate, Deji Kerim, Wood(4) (TBH I'd rather get rid of Tate and run with Wood)
WR: Dre, Hopkins, Martin, Posey, LeStar Jean (5)
FB: Jones(1) (I'd like to keep Clutts though, #'s game)
TE: OD, G. Graham, Griffin (3)
OT: Brown, Newton, Harris (3)
OG: Brooks, Smith, Quessenberry (3)
C: Meyers, Ben Jones (2)

NT: Mitchell, McClain, Chris Jones (3)
DE: Watt, Smith, Crick, Jamison (4)
ILB: Cushing, Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins (4)
OLB: Reed, Merciless, Jefferson, Montgomery, T. Williams(5)
CB: JJo, Kjax, McCain, Bouye, Harris (5)
FS: Reed, Swearinger (2)
SS: Manning, Pleasant, Keo (3)

K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

Practice Squad: Tuggle, Bonner, Lemon, Boren, Graham, (Other guys)
IR: Brandon Williams

thunderkyss
08-18-2013, 07:00 AM
QB: Schaub, Yates, Keenum (3)
RB: Arian, Tate, Deji Kerim, Wood(4) (TBH I'd rather get rid of Tate and run with Wood)
WR: Dre, Hopkins, Martin, Posey, LeStar Jean (5)
FB: Jones(1) (I'd like to keep Clutts though, #'s game)
TE: OD, G. Graham, Griffin (3)
OT: Brown, Newton, Harris (3)
OG: Brooks, Smith, Quessenberry (3)
C: Meyers, Ben Jones (2)

NT: Mitchell, McClain, Chris Jones (3)
DE: Watt, Smith, Crick, Jamison (4)
ILB: Cushing, Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins (4)
OLB: Reed, Merciless, Jefferson, Montgomery, T. Williams(5)
CB: JJo, Kjax, McCain, Bouye, Harris (5)
FS: Reed, Swearinger (2)
SS: Manning, Pleasant, Keo (3)

K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

Practice Squad: Tuggle, Bonner, Lemon, Boren, Graham, (Other guys)
IR: Brandon Williams

I like it. Only things I'd do different (since I'm too lazy to do my own 53) is IR Wade Smith, Keep Clutts. Cut Dobbins, Keep Braman. Stash Mohamed on the PS.

MidtownMikey
08-18-2013, 02:49 PM
I like it. Only things I'd do different (since I'm too lazy to do my own 53) is IR Wade Smith, Keep Clutts. Cut Dobbins, Keep Braman. Stash Mohamed on the PS.

With Wade Smith I see 2 options. They either keep him on the roster (which is what I expect which means Clutts is gone), or they cut him. There is little reason to IR someone who is in the last year of their contract and the team will probably not sign next year. Instead, a cut would give them a chance to recoup some of the salary hit (be it through an injury settlement or how if Wade Smith's final year is only partially/not guaranteed for injury). I'm thinking he's kept and Clutts is gone.

I do agree though that Dobbins may get cut. I'm thinking that despite his experience with the defense he is likely in the dog house from his focus on building his house during OTAs. I just wish Mays wasn't giving me Bradie James flashbacks last night when he tried to "cover" a back or TE.

I'm thinking Braman sticks, but if they keep Dobbins, it will be Pleasant who finds his way back onto the practice squad to make room for Braman. The injury situation scares me with our safeties (when might Reed be back?), but the talk of playing Harris some at safety makes me think they won't carry more than 4 safeties on the roster and instead carry more linebackers or line depth. The reason reason I think Pleasant is back to the practice squad is on special teams he seems to be performing badly/getting unnecessary penalties when we know our STs needs all the help it can get.

Heath Shuler
08-18-2013, 05:33 PM
Matt Musil ‏@KHOUSportsMatt 2h

#khou #texans When asked if he'll keep 3 QB's Kubiak said,"It's possible" Sure sounds like he is. Hello Collin Klein for practice squad.

....

Texn4life
08-18-2013, 05:38 PM
Klein? Is he even in a camp right now?

The Pencil Neck
08-18-2013, 06:21 PM
Klein? Is he even in a camp right now?

I don't know but I believe we brought him in during the OTAs and took a look at him. If they were going to put him on the PS, you'd think they'd have already gotten rid of McGee and brought Klein in so he can be getting some training.

Texn4life
08-18-2013, 06:35 PM
I don't know but I believe we brought him in during the OTAs and took a look at him. If they were going to put him on the PS, you'd think they'd have already gotten rid of McGee and brought Klein in so he can be getting some training.

Yeah, that's why I was asking. It would be kind of weird to use a PS spot on him over other guys currently in camp. Especially for a player not invited to any team's camp in the league.

Yaky
08-18-2013, 06:39 PM
I like it. Only things I'd do different (since I'm too lazy to do my own 53) is IR Wade Smith, Keep Clutts. Cut Dobbins, Keep Braman. Stash Mohamed on the PS.

Mohamed has looked better than any other ILB not named Cushing. Not sure he should be kept out of the roster

The Pencil Neck
08-18-2013, 06:51 PM
Mohamed has looked better than any other ILB not named Cushing. Not sure he should be kept out of the roster

Right now, the obvious ILB rotation... judging by when guys have come into the games... it's:

1. Cush
2. Mays
3. Sharpton
4. Mohamed
5. Davis

It's interesting because early on in TC, it was Cameron Collins that was getting 1st team reps. But then he got hurt and now, he's fallen off the charts.

One of Mohamed and Davis could make it... but I don't see them on the team if Dobbins makes it.

thunderkyss
08-18-2013, 07:42 PM
It's interesting because early on in TC, it was Cameron Collins that was getting 1st team reps. But then he got hurt and now, he's fallen off the charts.

One of Mohamed and Davis could make it... but I don't see them on the team if Dobbins makes it.

I've seen both Collins & Mohamed take snaps at both ILB & OLB. Haven't seen much from Collins. I don't know if Mohamed has PS eligibility anymore. He's been on Denver's PS & the Jags PS....

But I like his size. Sharpton & Mays has experience, & Mohamed has been in the league for a couple of years. The three of them & Dobbins.... pretty much the same guy. Wade isn't going to be asking them to do anything too complicated & the young legs would be good fro STs.

I like Dobbins... but I'm not attached.

MidtownMikey
08-19-2013, 12:34 AM
Mohamed still has practice squad eligibility, but as a third year player, the Texans would be required to keep 53 players on the roster to have him on the practice squad. If they drop to 52, he would automatically be brought up to the active roster (not sure how that works if they cut someone to sign someone the same day though).

Here is a good list of everyone eligible that the Texans had on their 90 man roster back in July:

http://www.stateofthetexans.com/texans-eligible-practice-squad-players/

Mari-OWNED!
08-20-2013, 07:06 PM
OFFENSE (25)
QB: Schaub, Yates, Keenum
RB: Foster, Tate, Karim
FB: G. Jones
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey, Bonner
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris, B. Williams
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones

DEFENSE (25)
DE: Watt, A. Smith, Jamison, Crick
NT: Mitchell, McClain
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, Montgomery, T. Williams
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Dobbins, Sharpton
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Carmichael, Bouye
S: Manning, Swearinger, Keo, Pleasant

SPECIAL TEAMS (3)
K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

PUP LIST (1)
S: E. Reed

SAMURAITEXAN
08-21-2013, 01:01 AM
OFFENSE (25)
QB: Schaub, Yates, Keenum
RB: Foster, Tate, Karim
FB: G. Jones
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey, Bonner
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris, B. Williams
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones

DEFENSE (25)
DE: Watt, A. Smith, Jamison, Crick
NT: Mitchell, McClain
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, Montgomery, T. Williams
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Dobbins, Sharpton
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Carmichael, Bouye
S: Manning, Swearinger, Keo, Pleasant

SPECIAL TEAMS (3)
K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

PUP LIST (1)
S: E. Reed

I am not sure about ROC. If Bonner not able to play, Texans may put him on IR to keep him where safe. For an extra WR spot, Texans may put Lemon in there. T position, Menkin may have a chance depends on how he performs in remaining pre-season games. With nice showing of UDFA LBs, I think there's a possibility of keeping 10 LBs on roster. I don't know how the final 53 will be but, this is how I see it at the moment.

beerlover
08-21-2013, 02:17 AM
OFFENSE (25)
QB: Schaub, Keenum
RB: Ben Tate, Karim, Wood, D. Johnson
FB: G. Jones
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey, Bonner
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris, A. Gardner
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones

DEFENSE (25)
DE: Watt, A. Smith, Jamison, Crick
NT: Mitchell, McClain, Jones
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, Montgomery, T. Williams, W. Jefferson
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Sharpton
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Carmichael
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo

SPECIAL TEAMS (3)
K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

IR (1)
OT: Brennan Williams

PUP LIST (1)
RB: Arian Foster

Practice Squad (7)Lemon WR, Hunter DT, Cody White OG/C, McGee QB, Mohamed LB, Bouye CB, Tuggle OLB

Trades (1)
TJ Yates for 2nd Rd. Draft Pick

Corrosion
08-21-2013, 04:12 AM
OFFENSE (24)
QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
RB: Foster, Tate, Wood
FB: G. Jones
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris, A. Gardner
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones

DEFENSE (26)
DE: Watt, A. Smith, Jamison, Crick
NT: Mitchell, McClain, Jones
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, Montgomery, T. Williams, W. Jefferson
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Sharpton, Dobbins
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo

SPECIAL TEAMS (3)
K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

PUP - Bonner & Brennan Williams.


Practice Squad
Lemon
Hunter
Cody White
Mohamed
Tuggle
Pleasant


Shapiro end up with a mysterious injury sending him to the PUP or IR.

Porky
08-21-2013, 10:18 AM
Neither Bonner, nor B Williams is eligible for PUP. If they don't make your roster, it's either cut or PS or IR if you can show an injury.

Some interesting work there guys. I don't see anyone giving us a #2 for TJ Yates. I could maybe see a 3 or 4 if I really stretch it, and a team got really desperate but he hasn't shown he is a capable FT starter at all, and a team isn't going to give up a #2 for a backup anything imho.

Also don't see how Bonner makes it at this point.

drs23
08-21-2013, 11:00 AM
Trades (1)
TJ Yates for 2nd Rd. Draft Pick[/FONT][/SIZE]

So, which GM do you have tagged to complete your fantasy?

IDEXAN
08-21-2013, 11:02 AM
Neither Bonner, nor B Williams is eligible for PUP. If they don't make your roster, it's either cut or PS or IR if you can show an injury.

Some interesting work there guys. I don't see anyone giving us a #2 for TJ Yates. I could maybe see a 3 or 4 if I really stretch it, and a team got really desperate but he hasn't shown he is a capable FT starter at all, and a team isn't going to give up a #2 for a backup anything imho.

Also don't see how Bonner makes it at this point.
How come they aren't PUP eligible ?
Bonner would probably be safe on the PS, but no way would 3rd round pick
B. Williams.

beerlover
08-21-2013, 11:04 AM
Neither Bonner, nor B Williams is eligible for PUP. If they don't make your roster, it's either cut or PS or IR if you can show an injury.

Some interesting work there guys. I don't see anyone giving us a #2 for TJ Yates. I could maybe see a 3 or 4 if I really stretch it, and a team got really desperate but he hasn't shown he is a capable FT starter at all, and a team isn't going to give up a #2 for a backup anything imho.

Also don't see how Bonner makes it at this point.

Thanks, made a couple of adjustments.

I think Foster/Reed are interchangeable. Bottom line is we want both of them full strength come playoff time. I would prefer to be sure on Arian concerning his back, would like to see his career extended. Also need to find out what Tate could do given the #1 reps plus get a chance to see what the young backs bring.

Yates deserves a chance to start, he is ready. Just one example of another teams QB woes but I would take him over Mark Sanchez or Tim Tebow anyday. Look what teams gave up for them. He is cheap, developed & does have significant trade value IMO (they could get 3rd rd. offers all day but I would hold out for that 2nd).

Texans need to move forward with Case Keenam, he need the reps.

I really had my doubts going into the draft that Brennan Williams would be able to play this season, nothing so far has changed my mind.

drs23
08-21-2013, 11:09 AM
Shapiro end up with a mysterious injury sending him to the PUP or IR.

Don't see this happening. Just yesterday, in the after practice "Quotes", Kubiak said Shapiro was "gonna play somewhere in this league."

He's just allowing Shapiro to audition.

MidtownMikey
08-21-2013, 11:11 AM
How come they aren't PUP eligible ?
Bonner would probably be safe on the PS, but no way would 3rd round pick
B. Williams.

To be eligible they cannot have practiced in team drills/not been on the PUP list in training camp. At this point, only Foster or Reed could be PUP'ed.

I know Indy got in trouble with Bradshaw because they had him taking handoffs in a drill before he was officially removed off the training camp PUP, which forced them to remove him off when they did.

Rey
08-21-2013, 04:34 PM
QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
RB: Foster, Tate, Karim
FB: G. Jones
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones

DEFENSE
DE: Watt, A. Smith, Jamison, Crick
NT: Mitchell, McClain, Jones
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, W. Jefferson, Tuggle, Trevardo
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Sharpton, Dobbins
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo

SPECIAL TEAMS
K: Bullock
P: Lechler, Shapiro
LS: Weeks


This is where I'm at right now.

Right now, to me Shapiro is more valuable than Trevardo Williams or Montgomery. He's played in every game and he's done a good job. He can do all the kicks...Kick offs, Punts and field goals. I'd hold on to him.

I think Montgomery is going on IR.

Porky
08-21-2013, 05:43 PM
QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
RB: Foster, Tate, Karim
FB: G. Jones
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones

DEFENSE
DE: Watt, A. Smith, Jamison, Crick
NT: Mitchell, McClain, Jones
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, W. Jefferson, Tuggle, Trevardo
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Sharpton, Dobbins
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo

SPECIAL TEAMS
K: Bullock
P: Lechler, Shapiro
LS: Weeks


This is where I'm at right now.

Right now, to me Shapiro is more valuable than Trevardo Williams or Montgomery. He's played in every game and he's done a good job. He can do all the kicks...Kick offs, Punts and field goals. I'd hold on to him.

I think Montgomery is going on IR.

I don't see any scenario where they keep two punters on the active roster imo but anything is possible I spose. Kudos to Shapiro who has done a very fine job, but we gave Lechler the big bucks for a reason.

Mine as of today:

25
QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
RB: Foster, Tate, Karim
FB: G. Jones
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey, Lemon
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris, B Williams
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones

25
DEFENSE
DE: Watt, A. Smith, Jamison, Crick
NT: Mitchell, McClain
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, W. Jefferson, Montgomery, T Williams
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Sharpton, Dobbins
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo

3
SPECIAL TEAMS
K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

Lucky
08-21-2013, 07:06 PM
I don't see any scenario where they keep two punters on the active roster imo but anything is possible I spose.
Not the gameday roster, but I could see a scenario where 2 punters make the opening day roster. For instance, if Lechler were too hurt to go opening day, but not enough to be PUPed or IRed, then keeping Shapiro for a week would make sense. I don't think that is the case, but that is a possible scenario.

Corrosion
08-21-2013, 07:46 PM
In past seasons the team has kept 6 CB's .... I just cant see that happening this season. Carmichael doesn't deserve a roster spot & none of the others behind Joseph, Jackson, McCain, Harris & Bouye have done anything to show they do either ....

Then you have the logjam at the LBer spots. So many of them worthy of making the final 53. One less CB allows for one of those young talented LBers to make the roster.


WR is much the same as CB .... We've seen them keep 6 in the past , I can only justify 5 this season - that spot usually reserved for a 6th WR will likely go to Case Keenum.

Yesterday
08-22-2013, 08:47 AM
IMO no point of having 4 Qbs on our roster (bye Stephen McGee). Statistical probability of 3 (3!) QB's getting injured in a game is like 1 in a million. Pats only run with two sometimes...I know Schaub is injury prone but still, seems like a wasted roster spot when we need all the special teams specialists we can get...

The Pencil Neck
08-22-2013, 10:46 AM
IMO no point of having 4 Qbs on our roster (bye Stephen McGee). Statistical probability of 3 (3!) QB's getting injured in a game is like 1 in a million. Pats only run with two sometimes...I know Schaub is injury prone but still, seems like a wasted roster spot when we need all the special teams specialists we can get...

I don't think there's any expectation for any team to go into opening day with 4 QBs on the roster. McGee is just a camp arm.

I think he hoped that he'd be able to beat out TJ and Case to take the #2 spot but I don't think anyone but him expected that to happen.

The Texans have historically bounced between 2 and 3 QBs. For most of last year, we only had 2 on the active roster and then Case on the practice squad, just in case.

If we waive Case, will someone grab him or will we be able to stash him on our practice squad. I don't want to risk that. I think he's shown a lot of improvement this past year.

So I expect us to go with 3 this year unless we have injuries that force us to load up at another position.

Corrosion
08-22-2013, 01:03 PM
IMO no point of having 4 Qbs on our roster (bye Stephen McGee). Statistical probability of 3 (3!) QB's getting injured in a game is like 1 in a million. Pats only run with two sometimes...I know Schaub is injury prone but still, seems like a wasted roster spot when we need all the special teams specialists we can get...

No way McGee makes the final 53 .... forget it.


As for needing "special teams specialists" .... name me one on the roster outside of Braman that's worthy of a roster spot. (Damn I miss Alan Ball - a bad ST unit gets worse with his exit).

Blake
08-23-2013, 10:07 AM
I see everyone is finally coming around to the Karim as RB3. Welcome to the club. I also think that Mike Mohammed is playing himself onto this roster as a backup and special teamer. I will keep an eye on him this Sunday and see if he can lock it down.

DX-TEX
08-24-2013, 02:16 PM
I don't see any scenario where they keep two punters on the active roster imo but anything is possible I spose. Kudos to Shapiro who has done a very fine job, but we gave Lechler the big bucks for a reason.

Mine as of today:

25
QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
RB: Foster, Tate, Karim
FB: G. Jones
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey, Lemon
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris, B Williams
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones

25
DEFENSE
DE: Watt, A. Smith, Jamison, Crick
NT: Mitchell, McClain
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, W. Jefferson, Montgomery, T Williams
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Sharpton, Dobbins
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo

3
SPECIAL TEAMS
K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

I agree with 1 exception: they keep Byrne and run with 4 tight ends and remove Lemon. He is a Wisconin TE and Kubiak has a badger fetish.

drs23
08-24-2013, 07:03 PM
I agree with 1 exception: they keep Byrne and run with 4 tight ends and remove Lemon. He is a Wisconin TE and Kubiak has a badger fetish.

Yeah, what a turn around. Now we can't figure out *which* WR to keep. That sounds so strange.

Corrosion
08-25-2013, 11:07 PM
Ive got a few roster spots that are still to be decided or are just damn difficult to figure.

Keeping that 3rd QB .... is really stressing me at a couple other spots. Yates looked real good today & Keenum didn't have his best day but his receivers didn't help him a whole lot.
At this point , Yates is still the clear #2 but Keenum has value in this league. There aren't enough good QB's to go around .... Just look at the Jets as a prime example of fail at the QB position.


Offensive tackle - Can Ryan Harris play LT if GOD forbid something happens to Brown ?!? Andrew Gardner was his backup last season and I find it hard as hell to keep him.
What happens when Harris has to fill in for Newton ....
Brennan Williams has done nuttin ... but the only alternative for him other than the final 53 is IR , they aren't going to cut him , just too much invested in the kid.
Luckily some of the other OL have the ability to play multiple positions giving the team a lot of flexibility - Jones playing OG and C , Quessenberry RT and OG.
Maybe Quessenberry's ability to play RT allows them to go with only 4.


I'd like to see 6 WR's make the final 53 .... AJ , Hopkins , Posey , Martin , Jean & Lemon. Just not enough roster spots to make that happen ... Lemon sure has a knack for getting open but that drop in the endzone may have sealed his fate. He also ran the wrong route later when Keenum was in at QB.


RB is one of the few positions I think is safe to project with Foster , Tate & Karim.
Johnson has ball security issues and it seems that the coaching staff isn't comfortable with Wood's blitz pickup / pass protection.


On the defensive side , the fact that only 5 CB's seem to deserve a roster spot is kinda concerning .... Maybe they can find a veteran off the waiver wire after the last round of cuts but again , roster spots are precious few.


OLB - with the two draft picks getting outplayed by an UDFA in Jefferson and Braman demanding a spot because of (notso)ST ability .... how many do they keep ?!
Neither Montgomery or Williams have shown me they belong on an NFL roster but I find it hard to believe they would consider cutting either of them.
Maybe they cut loose one of Dobbins or Sharpton from the inside but with the amount of injuries seen at the ILB spot last season , that's a hard decision to make .... may leave you relying upon a street FA later in the season. Then again , they have Reed who can play inside if things get bad.


24
QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
RB: Foster, Tate, Karim
FB: G. Jones
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris, B Williams
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones


25
DEFENSE
DE: Watt, A. Smith, Jamison, Crick
NT: Mitchell, McClain
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, W. Jefferson, Montgomery, T Williams
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Sharpton, Dobbins
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo

3
SPECIAL TEAMS
K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks


One spot remaining .... could go to Carmichael , Lemon , Gardner or a veteran WR or CB after the last round of cuts.

Rey
08-25-2013, 11:16 PM
Brennan Williams is going on IR.

Corrosion
08-25-2013, 11:45 PM
Brennan Williams is going on IR.

Has this been confirmed ?!
If so , it likely means keeping Andrew Gardner instead which to be honest I would feel better about should something dreadful happen like both Brown and Newton missing time .... Harris cant play two spots at once ... and Im not sold on Williams contributing at all this season.

Rey
08-26-2013, 07:17 AM
Has this been confirmed ?!
If so , it likely means keeping Andrew Gardner instead which to be honest I would feel better about should something dreadful happen like both Brown and Newton missing time .... Harris cant play two spots at once ... and Im not sold on Williams contributing at all this season.

No it hasn't been confirmed. That's just me playing psychic.

He's done nothing. Even if he comes in and plays the last game or is pup'ed, how much can he help the team this season?

I'm not seeing him escaping the IR this year.

Rey
08-26-2013, 07:35 AM
At this point I wouldn't keep Montgomery or Williams at OLB. Fuq it. Sucks that they are draft picks and may eventually become something, but there are other young guys that have shown more. And it's not like they are first round picks.

If you're serious about making this season count, there are players more deserving of roster spots that could possibly help this team more.

Corrosion
08-26-2013, 07:58 AM
At this point I wouldn't keep Montgomery or Williams at OLB. Fuq it. Sucks that they are draft picks and may eventually become something, but there are other young guys that have shown more. And it's not like they are first round picks.

If you're serious about making this season count, there are players more deserving of roster spots that could possibly help this team more.

Funny how what looked like a promising draft now looks piss poor with their three picks in rounds 3 & 4 not contributing in B.Williams , Montgomery & T.Williams.

I don't think any of them have done a thing to earn a roster spot ..... I'd almost like to see the three of them end up on IR so others could stick ,I'd have said cut but I just cant see them cutting guy's they have so much invested in.


At least their 6th rounder's are making up for the lack of production from that group. Quessenberry & Griffin look like solid players and Jones has a chance to stick.

Rey
08-26-2013, 08:41 AM
I think there could be some additions based on who other teams cut.

If Grimes is cut from Jacksonville, I'd snatch him up in a heartbeat. Not just because I think he can be a good back in this system, but because I recall him being quite good on ST's coverage.

Either way I'm keeping my eye on cuts. I'm not sold on our corners either. I'd like to add a guy in the mix there too.

Rey
08-26-2013, 08:49 AM
AM I reading it right that the Ravens just released Tommy Streeter?

DX-TEX
08-26-2013, 12:21 PM
Hearing the Pats are looking to trade for a TE. Makes my prediction for keeping Byrne on the active list even more probable.

Rey
08-26-2013, 12:25 PM
Hearing the Pats are looking to trade for a TE. Makes my prediction for keeping Byrne on the active list even more probable.

What does one have to do with the other?

DX-TEX
08-26-2013, 12:41 PM
What does one have to do with the other?

Why put a TE on the PS that has upside, that would more than likely get snagged by a conference foe? If they really are looking for TE help

Bunch of TE's on the roster is all the rage these days.

Rey
08-26-2013, 01:09 PM
Why put a TE on the PS that has upside, that would more than likely get snagged by a conference foe? If they really are looking for TE help

Bunch of TE's on the roster is all the rage these days.

I don't know whether bryne makes the roster or not, but I doubt the patriots being TE needy plays into that decision.

gafftop
08-26-2013, 01:11 PM
My only input is Rb. I would pass on Karim and keep one of the others. I think they all have more upside than Karim.

76Texan
08-26-2013, 02:04 PM
My only input is Rb. I would pass on Karim and keep one of the others. I think they all have more upside than Karim.

That's a tough one to call, but I agree about the upside part of DJ and Wood.

76Texan
08-26-2013, 02:10 PM
AM I reading it right that the Ravens just released Tommy Streeter?

He and Marcus Davis just don't seem to able to take advantage of their talent.
Who knows, maybe the Texans sign one of them to their PS to see if either can be developed.

76Texan
08-26-2013, 02:25 PM
Funny how what looked like a promising draft now looks piss poor with their three picks in rounds 3 & 4 not contributing in B.Williams , Montgomery & T.Williams.

I don't think any of them have done a thing to earn a roster spot ..... I'd almost like to see the three of them end up on IR so others could stick ,I'd have said cut but I just cant see them cutting guy's they have so much invested in.


At least their 6th rounder's are making up for the lack of production from that group. Quessenberry & Griffin look like solid players and Jones has a chance to stick.

It's probably best to have both Williams and Montgomery on IR, I agree.

76Texan
08-26-2013, 02:39 PM
I don't see any scenario where they keep two punters on the active roster imo but anything is possible I spose. Kudos to Shapiro who has done a very fine job, but we gave Lechler the big bucks for a reason.

Mine as of today:

25
QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
RB: Foster, Tate, Karim
FB: G. Jones
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey, Lemon
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris, B Williams
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones

25
DEFENSE
DE: Watt, A. Smith, Jamison, Crick
NT: Mitchell, McClain
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, W. Jefferson, Montgomery, T Williams
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Sharpton, Dobbins
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo

3
SPECIAL TEAMS
K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks
I think the Texans will keep nine LBs like last year, so either Williams or Montgomery might find himself on IR.

Most likely it will be Williams for 3 reasons:
- He needs to get stronger
- He needs to learn more pass-rush moves and how to use his hands/arms to his advantage
- He hasn't been all that healthy

Corrosion
08-27-2013, 02:45 PM
I think the Texans will keep nine LBs like last year, so either Williams or Montgomery might find himself on IR.

Most likely it will be Williams for 3 reasons:
- He needs to get stronger
- He needs to learn more pass-rush moves and how to use his hands/arms to his advantage
- He hasn't been all that healthy

Yeah , I'd stash Williams over Montgomery .... hell we could see two of the following end up on IR - T.Williams , B.Williams & Montgomery.

I just cant see room on the roster for those three when the team is talking about championships , they cant afford to play nursemaid to guy's who just wont contribute & need so much time and effort put into them.


I'd probably stash both Williams boys opening up a spot for Gardner to stick around to back up Brown & you have a spot for a Lber or CB.


Im glad they hid Lemon away for a year ....

Corrosion
08-27-2013, 02:51 PM
Offense 24
QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
RB: Foster, Tate, Karim
FB: G. Jones
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris, Gardner
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones


Defense 26

DE: Watt, A. Smith, Jamison, Crick
NT: Mitchell, McClain
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, W. Jefferson, Montgomery, - Tuggle or Vet FA
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Sharpton, Dobbins
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye - Carmichael or Vet FA.
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo

Not so Special Teams - 3

K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

IR
Lemon
B.Williams
T.Williams

HOU-TEX
08-27-2013, 02:57 PM
Offense 24
QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
RB: Foster, Tate, Karim
FB: G. Jones
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris, Gardner
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones


Defense 26

DE: Watt, A. Smith, Jamison, Crick
NT: Mitchell, McClain
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, W. Jefferson, Montgomery, - Tuggle or Vet FA
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Sharpton, Dobbins
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye - Carmichael or Vet FA.
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo

Not so Special Teams - 3

K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

IR
Lemon
B.Williams
T.Williams

Chris Jones? Bonner?

I can dig that 53. Although, I'm not sure I'd be willing to give Sharpton a roster spot. IMO, that ship has sailed. BUT, I suppose we might not have much of a choice considering who's left.

idymoe
08-27-2013, 03:26 PM
I like Chris Jones over a 6th corner. He can backup two positions.

Corrosion
08-27-2013, 03:26 PM
Chris Jones? Bonner?

I can dig that 53. Although, I'm not sure I'd be willing to give Sharpton a roster spot. IMO, that ship has sailed. BUT, I suppose we might not have much of a choice considering who's left.

I cant see Bonner making the 53 , just hasn't been on the field enough , maybe he goes to IR with Lemon or something.


Jones , I could see earning a spot .... but at who's expense ?! Maybe he gets the nod over Tuggle or Carmichael both of whom are on the bubble.

Sharpton ... ugh. I thought about that position a lot and considering all the injuries they had there last season , I cant see them giving up on him just yet. Don't want to be in a situation where we're looking for street FA help .... again.

Carmichael I feel the same way about , they usually carry 6 CB's. Ive had them with 5 until now. I'd rather keep a 6th CB than a 6th WR or 4th RB. This is part of why keeping that 3rd QB makes other roster spots so valuable.

Just imagine if they keep both the Williams draft picks .... then its really going to get complicated.

HOU-TEX
08-27-2013, 03:59 PM
I cant see Bonner making the 53 , just hasn't been on the field enough , maybe he goes to IR with Lemon or something.


Jones , I could see earning a spot .... but at who's expense ?! Maybe he gets the nod over Tuggle or Carmichael both of whom are on the bubble.

Sharpton ... ugh. I thought about that position a lot and considering all the injuries they had there last season , I cant see them giving up on him just yet. Don't want to be in a situation where we're looking for street FA help .... again.

Carmichael I feel the same way about , they usually carry 6 CB's. Ive had them with 5 until now. I'd rather keep a 6th CB than a 6th WR or 4th RB. This is part of why keeping that 3rd QB makes other roster spots so valuable.

Just imagine if they keep both the Williams draft picks .... then its really going to get complicated.

Lot of tough decisions due to several draft picks not being ready or not performing up to snuff. Bonner, Jones, Montgomery, T. Williams and B. Williams haven't proven they're worthy of the 53. Can't stash them all and wouldn't want to let a good player go to make room.

Wolf6151
08-27-2013, 05:08 PM
Lot of tough decisions due to several draft picks not being ready or not performing up to snuff. Bonner, Jones, Montgomery, T. Williams and B. Williams haven't proven they're worthy of the 53. Can't stash them all and wouldn't want to let a good player go to make room.

Has B. Williams practiced at all, would he be eligible for PUP so that he could be brought back mid season if needed? Bonner can be cut and put on the PS, doubtful anyone picks him up. Same with Jones, PS, doubtful anyone picks him up. Very disappointed in T. Williams and Montgomery, bad draft picks. Surely Lemon went to IR with a hangnail because he would have been claimed and not made it to PS. I'm glad to see that WR is becoming a position with some quality and depth. Sharpton need to go, he's undersized for the position and to often injured, I'd rather take a chance on Mike Mohamed in a backup role.

thunderkyss
08-27-2013, 05:38 PM
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye - Carmichael or Vet FA.

Personally, I think we can & should look for talent over "experience" in our DBs. With Jjo, Kjax, Reed, Manning, heck, even McCain.... we're pretty "mature" need to stock pile talent, speed especially for STs, but develop for the future.

HOU-TEX
08-28-2013, 09:08 AM
I re-watched more of the 3rd quarter last night. It wasn't very pretty defensively. Unfortunately, Braman should be happy the rookies haven't done much. He hasn't been very good lately. IMO, he should still be on the bubble. These two rookies are basically giving him a spot on the 53

Porky
08-28-2013, 12:06 PM
Remember the importance of ST in these last half dozen or so spots. They will likely keep the guy who performs better for the not so special teams, even at the expense of maybe not being as good at their position.

This was the case for Keo. He's finally developed into a decent backup at safety, but the reason he was on the roster until now was his ST duties.

Bonner I think is either PS or IR. He showed potential early on, but you can't make the club from the tub.

Chris Jones is a good developmental prospect, but I don't think he's ready. I see cut and PS for him.

The 3rd and 4th rounds. Ugh. I was most worried about Montgomery this summer because of his rep for not always giving his all, and after reading some stuff from various people that he might be more suited for a 4-3 end I'm even more perplexed on why we were so high on him.
The jury is still way, way, out on him in this defense. Nevertheless, I think he makes the roster and slowly works his way into some snaps.

T Williams is my biggest disappointment. I really thought he would be our "Willie Jefferson". The guy you throw in there on 3rd and 9 and let him go rush the QB. The kid has speed to burn, and good quickness and put up crazy good stats in college...then....nothing. I'm just not sure he makes the 53 unless he has been better on ST than I realize. I don't think they totally give up on a draft choice this soon. I see him cut, then PS. See if he can develop.

B Williams I just don't know about. I haven't seen enough of him, or even read enough about him in camp to get a feel either way - mostly due to injury in the OTA's and again in camp. It's a shot in the dark, but if they've seen enough, he might barely hang on to the 53 man roster. I'm afraid if they PS him, he'll be snagged so the other idea is to IR him and that's also a decent possibility.

Corrosion
08-29-2013, 01:08 AM
Just saw McLame's 53 man projection and its very close to what I posted above.




Only differences are as follows.

McLame keeps OT B.Williams over Gardner (I had Williams going to IR). He's done absolutely nothing to warrant a roster spot.


He keeps both Sam Montgomery & T.Williams .... I have them stashing one of them on IR. Williams has sucked and Montgomery hasn't been on the field anymore than Shane Lechler .... who punted twice and held a few FG/PAT's.
(Not knocking Lechler , just comparing time spent on the field).
Neither of them deserves a roster spot based upon what we have seen so far but I can see his point since they have mid round draft picks invested in both.

He has them keeping 5 safety's including Pleasant.


Here's his list -


OFFENSE (24)

Quarterbacks (3): Matt Schaub, T.J. Yates, Case Keenum.

Running backs (3): Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Deji Karim.

Fullback (1): Greg Jones.

Tight ends (3): Owen Daniels, Garrett Graham, r-Ryan Griffin.

Receivers (5): Andre Johnson, r-DeAndre Hopkins, Keshawn Martin, DeVier Posey, Lestar Jean.

Linemen (9): Duane Brown, Wade Smith, Chris Myers, Brandon Brooks, Derek Newton, Ben Jones, Ryan Harris, r-David Quessenberry, r-Brennan Williams.

DEFENSE (26)

Linemen (6): J.J. Watt, a-Antonio Smith, Earl Mitchell, Jared Crick, Terrell McClain, Tim Jamison.

Linebackers (10): Brian Cushing, Brooks Reed, Joe Mays, Whitney Mercilus, Darryl Sharpton, Tim Dobbins, Bryan Braman, r-Willie Jefferson, r-Trevardo Williams, r-Sam Montgomery.

Cornerbacks (5): Johnathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, Brice McCain, Brandon Harris, r-A.J. Bouye.

Safeties (5): Danieal Manning, Ed Reed, Shiloh Keo, r-D.J. Swearinger, Eddie Pleasant.

SPECIALISTS (3)

Kicker (1): Randy Bullock.

Punter (1): Shane Lechler.

Snapper (1): Jon Weeks.

a-Antonio Smith won’t count against the roster until he’s reinstated from his suspension on Sept. 10.

IDEXAN
08-29-2013, 07:53 AM
Just saw McLame's 53 man projection and its very close to what I posted above.




Only differences are as follows.

McLame keeps OT B.Williams over Gardner (I had Williams going to IR). He's done absolutely nothing to warrant a roster spot.


He keeps both Sam Montgomery & T.Williams .... I have them stashing one of them on IR. Williams has sucked and Montgomery hasn't been on the field anymore than Shane Lechler .... who punted twice and held a few FG/PAT's.
(Not knocking Lechler , just comparing time spent on the field). Neither of them deserves a roster spot based upon what we have seen so far but I can see his point since they have mid round draft picks invested in both.

He has them keeping 5 safety's including Pleasant.


Here's his list -
I think McClain has nailed it. However I do think they drop Pleasant and go down to 4 safetys when Antonio is activated for the second game.
I'm not even hearing anything about rookie OT Brennan Williams suiting up to play in Arlington tonight, but there's still much uncertainty at RT and the Texans might think there's some chance this guy could round into shape by seasons end and contribute.
Same goes with the rookie OLBs Montgomery & T. Williams, one strong vs the run and other a stellar edge rusher. Maybe they could play role as specialists by the end of the 2013 season, especially if we make the playoffs again ?

Rey
08-29-2013, 11:33 AM
QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
RB: Foster, Tate, Karim
FB: G. Jones, Clutts
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones


DEFENSE
DE: Watt, A. Smith, Jamison, Crick
NT: Mitchell, McClain, C. Jones
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, W. Jefferson, Montgomery, T Williams
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Sharpton, Dobbins
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo


SPECIAL TEAMS
K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

Not sure what'll happen with Trevardo and Mont, so I have them on my roster. I think either or both could end up IR or cut to bring in another WR, TE or DB.

Rey
08-29-2013, 11:38 AM
QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
RB: Foster, Tate, Wood, Karim
FB: G. Jones
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones


DEFENSE
DE: Watt, A. Smith, Crick, Delano Johnson
NT: Mitchell, McClain, C. Jones
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, W. Jefferson, Montgomery
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Dobbins, Cameron Collins
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo, Starling


SPECIAL TEAMS
K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

Playoffs
08-30-2013, 10:18 AM
August 31: Cut down to 53 players (5 p.m.)
September 1: Teams can create practice squads (11 a.m.)
September 3: Teams can place players on IR "Designated for return" (3 p.m.)

Malloy
08-30-2013, 11:10 AM
August 31: Cut down to 53 players (5 p.m.)
September 1: Teams can create practice squads (11 a.m.)
September 3: Teams can place players on IR "Designated for return" (3 p.m.)

Thanks, wondered about that specifically :)

Insideop
08-30-2013, 11:30 AM
QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
RB: Foster, Tate, Karim
FB: G. Jones, Clutts
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones


DEFENSE
DE: Watt, A. Smith, Jamison, Crick
NT: Mitchell, McClain, C. Jones
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, W. Jefferson, Montgomery, T Williams
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Sharpton, Dobbins
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo


SPECIAL TEAMS
K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

Not sure what'll happen with Trevardo and Mont, so I have them on my roster. I think either or both could end up IR or cut to bring in another WR, TE or DB.

There's no way I see them keeping 2 FB's. If Clutts was some kind of ST's star they might have kept him, but unfortunately for him, he's not, and he's stuck behind one of the best FB's left in the NFL. My guess is they use that spot for either another CB, S, or maybe another WR. They could even use it for Tuggle the LBer, though I think they'll try to put him on the PS.

Rey
08-30-2013, 11:36 AM
There's no way I see them keeping 2 FB's. If Clutts was some kind of ST's star they might have kept him, but unfortunately for him, he's not, and he's stuck behind one of the best FB's left in the NFL. My guess is they use that spot for either another CB, S, or maybe another WR. They could even use it for Tuggle the LBer, though I think they'll try to put him on the PS.

Thanks for sharing your opinion I guess, But that wasn't my last roster.

I like looking at other peoples 53 man rosters but have 0 interest in debating them.

Playoffs
08-30-2013, 11:37 AM
I'm thinking IR Brennan Williams, Trevardo Williams, and Bonner to go with Lemon. A little concerned not having Bonner available if Hopkins/Posey go down.

I'm really leaning keeping Cierre Wood with Tate healthy.

I'm not down with keeping Roc. It has run its course.

Gardner had a nice preseason until this last game, but Menkin is so quick getting to next level. Tough choice here.

Is this the end of the line for Braman?

Not really sold on Mays.

thunderkyss
08-30-2013, 11:43 AM
24 OFFENSE
3 QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
4 RB: Foster, Tate, Karim, Wood
1 FB: G. Jones
5 WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey
4 TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin, Byrne
3 OT: Brown, Newton, Quessenberry
3 OG: Brooks, Jones, Menkins
1 C: Myers


24 DEFENSE
3 DE: Watt, A. Smith, Crick
2 NT: Mitchell, McClain,
6 OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, W. Jefferson, Montgomery, T Williams
4 ILB: Cushing, Mays, Sharpton, Dobbins
5 CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye
4 S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo


3 SPECIAL TEAMS
1 K: Bullock
1 P: Lechler
1 LS: Weeks

51 players..... Rick Smith find me 2 football players. Preferably someone with speed for special teams.

ATRAIN
08-30-2013, 11:48 AM
23 OFFENSE
3 QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
4 RB: Foster, Tate, Karim, Wood
1 FB: G. Jones
4 WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey
4 TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin, Byrne
3 OT: Brown, Newton, Quessenberry
3 OG: Brooks, Jones, Menkins
1 C: Myers


24 DEFENSE
3 DE: Watt, A. Smith, Crick
2 NT: Mitchell, McClain,
6 OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, W. Jefferson, Montgomery, T Williams
4 ILB: Cushing, Mays, Sharpton, Dobbins
5 CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye
4 S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo


3 SPECIAL TEAMS
1 K: Bullock
1 P: Lechler
1 LS: Weeks

50 players..... Rick Smith find me 3 football players.

51 actually, you put 4 instead of 5 WR's but I agree with your list. Out of the obvious starters im most worried about losing Keenum and Wood which I dont see that happening.

Rey
08-30-2013, 11:50 AM
24 OFFENSE
3 QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
4 RB: Foster, Tate, Karim, Wood
1 FB: G. Jones
5 WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey
4 TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin, Byrne
3 OT: Brown, Newton, Quessenberry
3 OG: Brooks, Jones, Menkins
1 C: Myers


24 DEFENSE
3 DE: Watt, A. Smith, Crick
2 NT: Mitchell, McClain,
6 OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, W. Jefferson, Montgomery, T Williams
4 ILB: Cushing, Mays, Sharpton, Dobbins
5 CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye
4 S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo


3 SPECIAL TEAMS
1 K: Bullock
1 P: Lechler
1 LS: Weeks

51 players..... Rick Smith find me 2 football players. Preferably someone with speed for special teams.

Interesting list.

thunderkyss
08-30-2013, 11:52 AM
51 actually, you put 4 instead of 5 WR's but I agree with your list. Out of the obvious starters im most worried about losing Keenum and Wood which I dont see that happening.

I want Keenum on our roster because I don't have faith in Matt Swab. If he's healthy, we do not have a better option. If he gets hurt, I'm not 100% certain that Yates can pick up where he left off.

With Case, I'm sure that he can't but I think he has enough extras that Kubiak can turn this into a winning team with Keenum under Center.

Also, if Keenum becomes our starting QB, Kubiak gets at least another 2 or 3 years before he "has" to win a Super Bowl.

:kitten:

thunderkyss
08-30-2013, 11:54 AM
Interesting list.

It's mostly yours with a few cuts/additions.

Playoffs
08-30-2013, 12:00 PM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
When I was at #Texans camp, was told they were impressed by FA RB Dennis Johnson. Just cut him, though. Fumbles did him in.

burro
08-30-2013, 12:15 PM
Offense

QB: Schaub, Keenum, Yates (3)
RB: Foster, Tate, Wood, Karim (4)
FB: G.Jones (1)
WR: AJ, Hopkins, Posey, Jean, Martin (5)
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris, Menkin, B. Williams (5)
OG: Smith, Brooks Quessenberry, (3)
C: Myers, B.Jones (2)

Defense:

NT: Mitchell, McClain (2)
DE: Watt, Smith, Crick (3)
OLB: Reed, Mercilus, Braman, Williams, Jefferson (5)
ILB: Cushing, Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins (4)
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, Harris, Carmichael, Bouye (6)
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo (4)

ST:

K: Bullock (1)
P: Lechler (1)
LS: Weeks (1)

There's 50, the other 3 spots are wide open. Clutts may be on the table, I don't think that any of the remaining candidates are that much more worth the spot.

idymoe
08-30-2013, 01:03 PM
Offense

QB: Schaub, Keenum, Yates (3)
RB: Foster, Tate, Wood, Karim (4)
FB: G.Jones (1)
WR: AJ, Hopkins, Posey, Jean, Martin (5)
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris, Menkin, B. Williams (5)
OG: Smith, Brooks Quessenberry, (3)
C: Myers, B.Jones (2)

Defense:

NT: Mitchell, McClain (2)
DE: Watt, Smith, Crick (3)
OLB: Reed, Mercilus, Braman, Williams, Jefferson (5)
ILB: Cushing, Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins (4)
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, Harris, Carmichael, Bouye (6)
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo (4)

ST:

K: Bullock (1)
P: Lechler (1)
LS: Weeks (1)

There's 50, the other 3 spots are wide open. Clutts may be on the table, I don't think that any of the remaining candidates are that much more worth the spot.



No tight ends?

gwallaia
08-30-2013, 01:06 PM
Does Sam Montgomery make the team? I know he is a 3rd round pick but I have not seen anything good about him.

Playoffs
08-30-2013, 01:12 PM
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
not sure this is out there yet but DL Chris Jones has been waived. If he clears waivers, could be practice squad. #Texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat
Change that according to @drocksthaparty A.J Bouye has made the team. #Texans

gwallaia
08-30-2013, 01:13 PM
Surely AJ Bouye makes the team.

Playoffs
08-30-2013, 01:15 PM
Does Sam Montgomery make the team? I know he is a 3rd round pick but I have not seen anything good about him.

I personally think so.

IDEXAN
08-30-2013, 01:17 PM
I think both Montgomery & T. Williams make the team (unless they are IRed).
It's not just that both are mid-round picks, but both were college 4-3 DEs who have to transition to 3-4 OLBs, and takes some guys awhile to accomplish that. Maybe one or both won't make the transition, but the Texans should be expected to give them atleast another year to make that transition.

Playoffs
08-30-2013, 01:28 PM
PDS ‏@PatDStat
According to @Eric_Edholm the #Texans have cut safety Jawanza Starling.

Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26
Chris Jones & Dennis Johnson could be candidates for the practice squad if they clear waivers.Teams can have 8 players on practice squad which is set on Sunday.





.

phantom17
08-30-2013, 02:21 PM
PDS ‏@PatDStat

I was hoping it was Keo! I don't know why the fascination. :wadepalm:

ATRAIN
08-30-2013, 03:05 PM
I want Keenum on our roster because I don't have faith in Matt Swab. If he's healthy, we do not have a better option. If he gets hurt, I'm not 100% certain that Yates can pick up where he left off.

With Case, I'm sure that he can't but I think he has enough extras that Kubiak can turn this into a winning team with Keenum under Center.

Also, if Keenum becomes our starting QB, Kubiak gets at least another 2 or 3 years before he "has" to win a Super Bowl.

:kitten:


Well I think we have seen the best of Yates. IMO he hasnt improved enough from his last time as our starter. Keenum has more upside and showed a lot in preseason. 1 or 2 more years learning will only make him better and our starter so only time will tell.

Rey
08-30-2013, 03:13 PM
I keep reading that Yates hasn't improved, and I really don't know how folks are so conclusive on that. He looks better to me than he had in the pass.

We haven't seen him recently against any starting defenses during the regular season.

Seems like something people say just to pump Case up.

ChampionTexan
08-30-2013, 03:17 PM
I keep reading that Yates hasn't improved, and I really don't know how folks are so conclusive on that. He looks better to me than he had in the pass.

We haven't seen him recently against any starting defenses during the regular season.

Seems like something people say just to pump Case up.

Agreed. He looks worlds better than last preseason, and while it's probably not a good idea to compare preseason games to regular season games, he looks better now than in 2011 - and that's with the training wheels removed (mostly anyway)

thunderkyss
08-30-2013, 03:52 PM
I keep reading that Yates hasn't improved, and I really don't know how folks are so conclusive on that. He looks better to me than he had in the pass.

We haven't seen him recently against any starting defenses during the regular season.

Seems like something people say just to pump Case up.

Agreed. He looks worlds better than last preseason, and while it's probably not a good idea to compare preseason games to regular season games, he looks better now than in 2011 - and that's with the training wheels removed (mostly anyway)

Agreed. He looks like Schaub running our offense. But he's more athletic & has a stronger arm. The question I have, is if he's as mentally tough as Schaub, or hopefully tougher. We've seen some of that grit in 2011 & we've seen his QB memory. Chances are better than good, that he can do well as Schaub's replacement.... if it comes to that.

cdastros
08-30-2013, 04:38 PM
Based on what looks like the players twitter pages. Wood, Jefferson, Tuggle, and Bouye made it.

Texn4life
08-30-2013, 04:45 PM
Based on what looks like the players twitter pages. Wood, Jefferson, Tuggle, and Bouye made it.

This wouldn't surprise me one bit. All 4 players show potential to do some good things.

Corrosion
08-30-2013, 05:18 PM
Based on what looks like the players twitter pages. Wood, Jefferson, Tuggle, and Bouye made it.

Can you provide us with some links / tweets ?!@

DX-TEX
08-30-2013, 05:35 PM
Can you provide us with some links / tweets ?!@

https://twitter.com/AJBOUYE21 Bouyes Twitter. Has a retweet from Tuggle as well.

https://twitter.com/stadium20status Wood twitter

https://twitter.com/Takeover_Tuggle Tuggles Twitter

Playoffs
08-30-2013, 05:36 PM
Justin Tuggle ‏@Takeover_Tuggle 2h
Hard work pays off..God is good!

DJ Swearinger ‏@JungleBoi_Swagg 47m
S/o to my homie AJ Bouye for making the squad..... Let's eat my boi!!! #HUNTINSEASON @ajbouye21…

PDS ‏@PatDStat 2h
According to his twitter account Willie Jefferson has made the 53. #Texans

Thinking IR for this one...

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli 2h
Kubiak says Brennan Williams' knee swelled up again. Says that keeps happening. #Texans

No confirmation on Wood, yet...

Brandon420tx
08-30-2013, 05:41 PM
The Brennan Williams tweet sounds like code for IR

htownfan32
08-30-2013, 05:41 PM
I think Wood made it.

All I can say is GOD is GOOD!!!!!!!!!

Bit off topic, but I found this wonderful gem on Cierre Wood's twitter

When manziel get in the game and scores.. what if he takes out a sharpie n signes the ball lmao.. the internet will break hahah

DX-TEX
08-30-2013, 05:42 PM
Cierre Wood @@stadium20status

FLY.41.SOC ☆[SBSB] ‏@stadium20status 3h
All I can say is GOD is GOOD!!!!!!!!!
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Playoffs
08-30-2013, 05:50 PM
Cierre Wood @@stadium20status

Okay, I see that now. Bizarre twitter handle confused me.

Note with Antonio suspension we should only have to get to 54 for a week, no?

Bob Allen ‏@BobAllenKHOU 7m
Looks like Cierre Wood will be the 3rd Texans running back...

I've learned that Deji Karim has been waived

Playoffs
08-30-2013, 05:57 PM
Quarterback: 1Matt Schaub, 2T.J. Yates, 3Case Keenum
Runningback: 4Arian Foster, 5Ben Tate, 6Cierre Wood
Fullback: 7Greg Jones
Tight End: 8Owen Daniels, 8Garrett Graham, 10Ryan Griffin
Wide Receiver: 11Andre Johnson, 12DeAndre Hopkins, 13Keshawn Martin, 14Lestar Jean, 15DeVier Posey
Offensive Tackles: 16Duane Brown, 17Derek Newton, Brennan Williams, 18Ryan Harris
Offensive Guards: 19Wade Smith, 20Ben Jones, 21Brandon Brooks, 22David Quessenberry
Center: 23Chris Myers
Offense--23 so far


Defensive End: 1J.J. Watt, 2Antonio Smith (Suspended) , 3Jared Crick, Tim Jamison
Nose Tackle: 4Earl Mitchell, 5Terrell McClain
Outside Linebacker: 6Brooks Reed, 7Whitney Mercilus, Sam Montgomery, 8Willie Jefferson, Trevardo Williams
Inside Linebacker: 9Brian Cushing, 10Darryl Sharpton, 11Joe Mays, 12Justin Tuggle
Cornerback: 13Johnathan Joseph, 14Kareem Jackson, 15Brice McCain, 16Brandon Harris, Roc Carmichael, 17A.J. Bouye
Safety: 18Ed Reed, 19Danieal Manning, 20D.J. Swearinger, 21Shiloh Keo, Eddie Pleasant
Defense--21 so far

Kicker: Randy Bullock
Punter: Shane Lechler
Long Snapper: Jon Weeks
Specialty--3

Please quote & edit & correct as needed.

Corrosion
08-30-2013, 06:14 PM
Thinking IR for this one...

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli 2h

Kubiak says Brennan Williams' knee swelled up again. Says that keeps happening. #Texans


No confirmation on Wood, yet...

The Brennan Williams tweet sounds like code for IR





What do you think the odds are ... (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2199581) .

1000%


:corrosion:


Thanks for the tweets - rep where I could. :tiphat:

DX-TEX
08-30-2013, 06:15 PM
Not Gary Kubiak ‏@NotGaryKubiak 29 Aug
Waiting for Marciano to decide who gets the next fake injury. Smart money is on Travertino or whatever. I don't keep up with the un-offense.



:lol:

Corrosion
08-30-2013, 06:19 PM
Okay, I see that now. Bizarre twitter handle confused me.

Note with Antonio suspension we should only have to get to 54 for a week, no?

Bob Allen ‏@BobAllenKHOU 7m

Yeah , Smith doesn't count against the 53 man roster until after the San Diego game because of the suspension.

I think they keep a guy like Tim Jamison or maybe even a safety like Pleasant and waive them to make room for Smith's return.

Jamison may stick ....Cant see Pleasant staying with Keo & Swearinger behind Reed and Manning , unless they aren't confident in Reeds return.

Corrosion
08-30-2013, 06:32 PM
Quarterback: 1Matt Schaub, 2T.J. Yates, 3Case Keenum
Runningback: 4Arian Foster, 5Ben Tate, 6Cierre Wood
Fullback: 7Greg Jones
Tight End: 8Owen Daniels, 8Garrett Graham, 10Ryan Griffin
Wide Receiver: 11Andre Johnson, 12DeAndre Hopkins, 13Keshawn Martin, 14Lestar Jean, 15DeVier Posey
Offensive Tackles: 16Duane Brown, 17Derek Newton, Brennan Williams, 18Ryan Harris
Offensive Guards: 19Wade Smith, 20Ben Jones, 21Brandon Brooks, 22David Quessenberry
Center: 23Chris Myers
Offense--23 so far


Defensive End: 1J.J. Watt, 2Antonio Smith (Suspended) , 3Jared Crick, Tim Jamison
Nose Tackle: 4Earl Mitchell, 5Terrell McClain
Outside Linebacker: 6Brooks Reed, 7Whitney Mercilus, Sam Montgomery, 8Willie Jefferson, Trevardo Williams
Inside Linebacker: 9Brian Cushing, 10Darryl Sharpton, 11Joe Mays, 12Justin Tuggle
Cornerback: 13Johnathan Joseph, 14Kareem Jackson, 15Brice McCain, 16Brandon Harris, Roc Carmichael, 17A.J. Bouye
Safety: 18Ed Reed, 19Danieal Manning, 20D.J. Swearinger, 21Shiloh Keo, Eddie Pleasant
Defense--21 so far

Kicker: Randy Bullock
Punter: Shane Lechler
Long Snapper: Jon Weeks
Specialty--3

Please quote & edit & correct as needed.

Notable omissions from that list thus far - Dobbins , Braman.


Color me concerned about this special teams & coverage units in general. They let go of Alan Ball and now possibly Braman & Dobbins.

Those were the top three players on a piss poor special teams out the door if this is the case.


Bullock better keep kicking them out of the back of the endzone ... and Lechler better put some extra air under his punts ... or this ST unit may cost them a couple W's.

Thorn
08-30-2013, 06:51 PM
I would be saddened by Braman's disappearance.

Playoffs
08-30-2013, 06:55 PM
Notable omissions from that list thus far - Dobbins , Braman...

Add them. I just pulled that list of the 'net as a starting point.

Note I haven't counted every player there, just the confirmed.

Nate Menkin & Andrew Gardner are still in play, too. Not on that list.

burro
08-30-2013, 07:04 PM
No tight ends?

LOL. You know that feeling like you've forgot something...

:kubepalm:

Playoffs
08-30-2013, 07:23 PM
Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26
The Texans also released C Tyler Horn & still have 7 more moves to make by Saturday's deadline with some of those players headed to IR.

Texans release:ILB Cameron Collins,WR Andy Cruse, DE Delano Johnson, RB Dennis Johnson, Guard Alex Kupper, Safety Orhian Johnson, NT Chris Jones

Texans release: FB Tyler Clutts, WR EZ Nwachukwu, S Jawanza Starling, LB Mike Mohamed, OT Nate Menkin, DE Keith Browner, TE Jake Byrne (more)

Cuts from SOTT (http://www.stateofthetexans.com/texans-start-cuts-to-get-to-the-final-53/)

Dennis Johnson, Running Back (Ian Rappoport-NFL Network)
Chris Jones, Defensive Tackle (Tania Ganguli- ESPN)
Jawanza Starling, Safety (Yahoo! Shutdown Corner)
Deji Karim, Runningback (Bob Allen, KHOU)
Tyler Horn, Center
Nate Menkin, Offensive Lineman
Keith Browner, Defensive End
Delano Johnson, Defensive End
Jake Byrne, Tight End
Tyler Clutts, Fullback
Alex Kupper, Offensive Lineman
Ez Nwachukwu, Wide Receiver
Mike Mohamed, Linebacker
Cameron Collins, Linebacker
Orhian Johnson, Safety
Andy Cruse, Wide Receiver

DX-TEX
08-30-2013, 07:33 PM
Hope Chris Jones clears waivers and we resign him to PS

phantom17
08-30-2013, 07:46 PM
There is a good chance!:swatter:

Corrosion
08-30-2013, 08:03 PM
Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26


Cuts from SOTT (http://www.stateofthetexans.com/texans-start-cuts-to-get-to-the-final-53/)

Dennis Johnson, Running Back (Ian Rappoport-NFL Network)
Chris Jones, Defensive Tackle (Tania Ganguli- ESPN)
Jawanza Starling, Safety (Yahoo! Shutdown Corner)
Deji Karim, Runningback (Bob Allen, KHOU)
Tyler Horn, Center
Nate Menkin, Offensive Lineman
Keith Browner, Defensive End
Delano Johnson, Defensive End
Jake Byrne, Tight End
Tyler Clutts, Fullback
Alex Kupper, Offensive Lineman
Ez Nwachukwu, Wide Receiver
Mike Mohamed, Linebacker
Cameron Collins, Linebacker
Orhian Johnson, Safety
Andy Cruse, Wide Receiver

Of that list , I like the following for the PS should they clear waivers -

Nate Menkin - OL Nasty
Chris Jones - DL Didn't show as much as I would have liked but this is a premium position
Jake Byrne - TE Dude can play in this league , was a numbers game IMO
Alex Kupper - C Has potential , the second unit protected Keenum & Yates very well Vs. Dallas , only had one mistake against the Cowpatties.
Andy Cruse - WR reminds me of Walter , great hands , great routes and physical.
Mike Mohamed - LB was real close to making the final 53
Cameron Collins - LB Can cover ...

Wolf6151
08-30-2013, 08:13 PM
I'd rather keep Mike Mohamed than Darryl Sharpton. Mohamed at least has the size for the position and Sharpton can't stay healthy. I'm guessing Sharpton has blackmail photos of McNair, Kubiak, or Smith. Hopefully Mohamed makes the PS because Sharpton should be hurt again by week 3.

Playoffs
08-30-2013, 08:16 PM
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
#Texans 6th round pick, WR Alan Bonner has been placed on IR.

6 moves left.

Playoffs
08-30-2013, 08:42 PM
Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro
Roc Carmichael has beeen waived by the #Texans.

5 moves left.

phantom17
08-30-2013, 08:45 PM
If only Keo can get the axe!:)

Corrosion
08-30-2013, 09:04 PM
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN


#Texans 6th round pick, WR Alan Bonner has been placed on IR.

6 moves left.




Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro

Roc Carmichael has been waived by the #Texans

5 moves left.


Both moves very much expected ..... Those last few will be really tough decisions.

CloakNNNdagger
08-30-2013, 09:26 PM
Of that list , I like the following for the PS should they clear waivers -

Nate Menkin - OL Nasty
Chris Jones - DL Didn't show as much as I would have liked but this is a premium position
Jake Byrne - TE Dude can play in this league , was a numbers game IMO
Alex Kupper - C Has potential , the second unit protected Keenum & Yates very well Vs. Dallas , only had one mistake against the Cowpatties.
Andy Cruse - WR reminds me of Walter , great hands , great routes and physical.
Mike Mohamed - LB was real close to making the final 53
Cameron Collins - LB Can cover ...

Andy Cruse has really impressed me.

Kupper needs to play more disciplined.

Do you think Muir will hang on?

Corrosion
08-30-2013, 09:29 PM
Andy Cruse has really impressed me.

Yeah , me too.



Kupper needs to play more disciplined. True but he has all the tools to be an NFL starter at C , here or elsewhere.



Do you think Muir will hang on?

Man , tough call but I have to say no because of the competition at other positions , most notably LBer , DB's and that spot taken by Keenum as the 3rd QB.

Insideop
08-30-2013, 11:37 PM
Okay, I see that now. Bizarre twitter handle confused me.

Note with Antonio suspension we should only have to get to 54 for a week, no?

Bob Allen ‏@BobAllenKHOU 7m

Looks like Cierre Wood will be the 3rd Texans running back...

I've learned that Deji Karim has been waived

The cut of Karim is what's surprising to me, especially since he could be a returner on ST's. I don't think Wood plays ST's. At least I never saw him do it. I guess they just didn't want to lose Wood.

aussie_texan
08-30-2013, 11:42 PM
The cut of Karim is what's surprising to me, especially since he could be a returner on ST's. I don't think Wood plays ST's. At least I never saw him do it. I guess they just didn't want to lose Wood.

wood has the capabilities to be a RB2 if tate leaves in FA next off season. His too good to pass on so I'm very happy with this decision.
and its nice to finally have a golden domer on the team

Corrosion
08-30-2013, 11:42 PM
The cut of Karim is what's surprising to me, especially since he could be a returner on ST's. I don't think Wood plays ST's. At least I never saw him do it. I guess they just didn't want to lose Wood.

Martin will likely return punts , he's been relatively reliable in that role in limited exposure in the past. I wont complain.


The difference between Wood & Karim .... Wood has the tools to be a three down back , Karim tops out as a 3rd down guy IMO. Karims ST / return ability gives him value .... but this team can get those things from other players.


The more I watch Wood , the more he reminds me of .... Arian Foster & his issues are much the same as what held Foster back in year one - Picking up the blitz , which he improved upon by leaps and bounds over the course of training camp.

Rey
08-31-2013, 01:02 AM
I didn't understand keeping Karim because he can return kicks.

How many kick returners do you need?

Corrosion
08-31-2013, 01:04 AM
I didn't understand keeping Karim because he can return kicks.

How many kick returners do you need?

Other than Martin & Manning who they don't want to expose , who else is there ?!

Rey
08-31-2013, 01:47 AM
Other than Martin & Manning who they don't want to expose , who else is there ?!

Keo. Not going to put him back there unless emergency probably but Ed reed has returned 30 punts in his career. He had one return last year per his stats.

Kick returning isn't a terribly hard skill to find on the waiver wire. Put a guy on the ps that can return punts. Find a guy off the street if Martin and keo get hurt.

I never bought into keeping Deji just to return kicks. He's not THAT good to where you'd keep him over a back that is better with higher upside.

Corrosion
08-31-2013, 02:03 AM
Keo. Not going to put him back there unless emergency probably but Ed reed has returned 30 punts in his career. He had one return last year per his stats.

Kick returning isn't a terribly hard skill to find on the waiver wire. Put a guy on the ps that can return punts. Find a guy off the street if Martin and keo get hurt.

I never bought into keeping Deji just to return kicks. He's not THAT good to where you'd keep him over a back that is better with higher upside.

Cant argue with anything in this post .... Then again , we look at teams like Denver (thanks to the Texans) , Chicago & Baltimore (again thanks to the Texans) .... I guess what Im getting at is the only way that returner supersedes a position player is if that returner is .... Special.


Karim wasn't special .... Glad they kept Wood who may yet prove to be such as am every down player.

Playoffs
08-31-2013, 04:13 PM
Cody White I guess is insurance for Wade Smith, although I thought he was awful in preseason.

Tim Dobbins or Justin Tuggle will go when Antonio Smith returns.

Playoffs
08-31-2013, 04:20 PM
Offense (25)

Quarterback: Matt Schaub, T.J. Yates, Case Keenum
Runningback: Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Cierre Wood
Fullback: Greg Jones
Tight End: Owen Daniels, Garrett Graham,Ryan Griffin
Wide Receiver: Andre Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins, Keshawn Martin, Lestar Jean, DeVier Posey
Offensive Tackles: Duane Brown, Derek Newton, Ryan Harris, Andrew Gardner
Offensive Guards: Wade Smith, Ben Jones, Brandon Brooks, David Quessenberry. Cody White
Center: Chris Myers

Defense (25)

Defensive End: J.J. Watt, Antonio Smith (Suspended) , Jared Crick, Tim Jamison
Nose Tackle: Earl Mitchell, Terrell McClain
Outside Linebacker: Brooks Reed, Whitney Mercilus, Brian Braman, Sam Montgomery, Willie Jefferson
Inside Linebacker: Brian Cushing, Darryl Sharpton, Joe Mays, Justin Tuggle, Tim Dobbins
Cornerback: Johnathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, Brice McCain, Brandon Harris, A.J. Bouye
Safety: Ed Reed, Danieal Manning, D.J. Swearinger, Shiloh Keo, Eddie Pleasant

Specialty (3)
Kicker: Randy Bullock
Punter: Shane Lechler
Long Snapper: Jon Weeks

I.R.: Alan Bonner, Brennan Williams, Trevardo Williams, Alec Lemon

DX-TEX
08-31-2013, 04:23 PM
Cody White will go when Wade Smith returns.

Tim Dobbins or Justin Tuggle will go when Antonio Smith returns.

I would bet it is Dobbins.

JCTexan
08-31-2013, 04:29 PM
Cody White I guess is insurance for Wade Smith, although I thought he was awful in preseason.

Tim Dobbins or Justin Tuggle will go when Antonio Smith returns.

Antonio Smith & Wade Smith are included in the final 53 you posted. Why would the Texans need to cut anyone to bring those two back?

Playoffs
08-31-2013, 04:31 PM
Antonio Smith & Wade Smith are included in the final 53 you posted. Why would the Texans need to cut anyone to bring those two back?
Antonio is suspended and not counted.


PDS ‏@PatDStat
#Texans have 12 total UDFAs on their roster.

#Texans 2013 Draft class. 5 make the 53, 3 IRd and 1 waived.

#Texans keep 9 rookies on the 53 man roster. 4 are UDFAs.

msbbc833
08-31-2013, 05:06 PM
how did Montgomery make the final cut?!

DX-TEX
08-31-2013, 05:11 PM
how did Montgomery make the final cut?!

He showed "some". I think he can be situational for right now and should get up to full speed around mid season.

Texn4life
08-31-2013, 05:13 PM
He showed "some". I think he can be situational for right now and should get up to full speed around mid season.

I was ok with the pick initially, but I didn't see him show anything during the preseason. I don't know that I've ever seen an edge pass rusher that slow off of the ball.

ArlingtonTexan
08-31-2013, 05:16 PM
how did Montgomery make the final cut?!

3rd round pick....fair or not

DX-TEX
08-31-2013, 05:17 PM
I was ok with the pick initially, but I didn't see him show anything during the preseason. I don't know that I've ever seen an edge pass rusher that slow off of the ball.

He is not slow he has deceptive speed like Schaub.

76Texan
08-31-2013, 05:18 PM
He is not slow he has deceptive speed like Schaub.

LOL!

CloakNNNdagger
08-31-2013, 05:18 PM
how did Montgomery make the final cut?!

Texan's new Fight Song:

Dream, Dream, Dream, Dream............. The Everly Brothers

Texn4life
08-31-2013, 05:19 PM
He is not slow he has deceptive speed like Schaub.

haha, Now that really is a good one!

ObsiWan
08-31-2013, 06:21 PM
Cut list from HT.com...

08/31/2013 The Houston Texans have waived the following players previously placed on Reserve/Injured with an Injury Settlement: David Hunter, Mike Smith

08/31/2013 The Houston Texans have released the following player with an Injury Settlement: Daniel Muir

08/31/2013 The Houston Texans have placed the following players on the Reserve/Injured List: Alan Bonner, Brennan Williams, Trevardo Williams

08/31/2013 The Houston Texans have moved the following player from the Active/Physically Unable to Perform List to the Active Roster: Ed Reed

08/31/2013 The Houston Texans have released the following players: Keith Browner, Jake Byrne, Roc Carmichael, Tyler Clutts, Cameron Collins, Andy Cruse, Tyler Horn, Delano Johnson, Dennis Johnson, Orhian Johnson, Chris Jones, Deji Karim, Alex Kupper, Elbert Mack, Nate Menkin, Mike Mohamed, EZ Nwachukwu, Jawanza Starling

thunderkyss
08-31-2013, 07:04 PM
NVM...... maybe Browner will show up on the PS

LikeMike
08-31-2013, 07:28 PM
So we keep 3 QBs? I could see Case going to the PS when we need to make room for A. Smith - I don`t see any team picking him up in the season without going through camp with him. He didn`t show that much and is not that young anymore...

Other than that it seems to be a real bad mid round draft. Outside of our top 2 picks and Griffin and Quessenberry all players could be out of the leage in the near future. Let´s hope Sam can turn it around some, we sure need help at OLB.

cstyle42
08-31-2013, 07:42 PM
Offense (25)

Quarterback: Matt Schaub, T.J. Yates, Case Keenum
Runningback: Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Cierre Wood
Fullback: Greg Jones
Tight End: Owen Daniels, Garrett Graham,Ryan Griffin
Wide Receiver: Andre Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins, Keshawn Martin, Lestar Jean, DeVier Posey
Offensive Tackles: Duane Brown, Derek Newton, Ryan Harris, Andrew Gardner
Offensive Guards: Wade Smith, Ben Jones, Brandon Brooks, David Quessenberry. Cody White
Center: Chris Myers

Defense (25)

Defensive End: J.J. Watt, Antonio Smith (Suspended) , Jared Crick, Tim Jamison
Nose Tackle: Earl Mitchell, Terrell McClain
Outside Linebacker: Brooks Reed, Whitney Mercilus, Brian Braman, Sam Montgomery, Willie Jefferson
Inside Linebacker: Brian Cushing, Darryl Sharpton, Joe Mays, Justin Tuggle, Tim Dobbins
Cornerback: Johnathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, Brice McCain, Brandon Harris, A.J. Bouye
Safety: Ed Reed, Danieal Manning, D.J. Swearinger, Shiloh Keo, Eddie Pleasant

Specialty (3)
Kicker: Randy Bullock
Punter: Shane Lechler
Long Snapper: Jon Weeks

I.R.: Alan Bonner, Brennan Williams, Trevardo Williams, Alec Lemon

This team is pretty diverse. All white quarterbacks and tide ends but all black running backs and receivers. Cool offensive fact lol.