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Tailgate
07-22-2013, 10:15 AM
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Link to all other teams: http://imgur.com/a/FqUwa

Thoughts?

PapaL
07-22-2013, 10:21 AM
Foster isn't Elite? Hmmm...

But J.Charles (KC) is?!? GTFO

Tailgate
07-22-2013, 10:26 AM
Foster isn't Elite? Hmmm...

Def a debatable point. They rated us 3 blue chips, only 4 teams w more... And 4 most they gave to anyone.

steelbtexan
07-22-2013, 10:29 AM
schaub = avg
B.Reed = Avg
Mitchell = Below Avg, hopefully he improves this yr.
Brooks = has greatest chance for improvement
Cushing/Sharpton = Incomplete, Coming back from injury nobody knows how they will perform.

Greatest chance to provide help of players not listed Quessenberry/Swearinger.

The Texans team as a whole better hope Schab and Mitchell stay healthy. The Texans have put all their eggs in the Mitchell basket and there's not much behind him. plus I just dont think he's that good based off of the last few yrs performances. Hopefully he will get better.

Insideop
07-22-2013, 11:00 AM
Not sure I agree with Sharpton being Poor. Unless they are counting injury histories with actual playing abilities.

TexansFTW
07-22-2013, 11:37 AM
How dumb. PFF are the same guys that said Chris Myers is one of the best Centers in the game (I swear I read that directly from them). Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I swear it was PFF.

And obviously Foster is elite.

Tailgate
07-22-2013, 12:12 PM
How dumb. PFF are the same guys that said Chris Myers is one of the best Centers in the game (I swear I read that directly from them). Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I swear it was PFF.

And obviously Foster is elite.

Doesnt necessarily mean they think Myers is a blue chip. Not many of those to go around, and had Myers behind Unger, Mangold, and Sullivan in 12 rankings, who got the blue chip ratings for centers.

HJam72
07-22-2013, 12:15 PM
Chris Myers is the best at what he does. The problem is he is not meant to be able to pass-block a large NT by himself....and he can't.

TexansFTW
07-22-2013, 12:53 PM
Doesnt necessarily mean they think Myers is a blue chip. Not many of those to go around, and had Myers behind Unger, Mangold, and Sullivan in 12 rankings, who got the blue chip ratings for centers.

Makes sense. I hear what you're saying. 1 thing though is I'm pretty sure they have Myers ahead of Mangold, which is surprising to me they would give him blue chip and not Myers.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/05/07/two-who-missed-the-list-reece-and-a-trio-of-centers/

Chris Myers is the best at what he does. The problem is he is not meant to be able to pass-block a large NT by himself....and he can't.

Gotta disagree. Where did you come up with this in fact? I can't find anything that really backs that claim, this is the closest I can find, but in the end it still praises him:

"The first thing you notice about Chris Myers (6'4", 290 pounds, eight seasons) is his agility. As one of the best moving centers in the entire NFL, Myers is excellent at sliding inside the line to pick up blitzes and help guards in pass protection. When put into a one-on-one situation, he can lose anchor and get walked back, but he is smart enough to go to the ground and cut the defender if that happens. Myers does a great job coming out to meet pass-rushers, and with his quick feet and strong hands, he’s able to mirror and protect the pocket.

Myers isn’t the biggest guy at 290 pounds, but he makes up for that with excellent quickness and vision."

Tailgate
07-22-2013, 12:58 PM
Makes sense. I hear what you're saying. 1 thing though is I'm pretty sure they have Myers ahead of Mangold, which is surprising to me they would give him blue chip and not Myers.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/05/07/two-who-missed-the-list-reece-and-a-trio-of-centers/

In the positional rankings from 2012, they actually had Mangold a spot ahead. Not saying these guys have it all figured out though.

I do feel, and I think this chart is fairly representitive of this, that we will need to focus next offseason on improving/upgrading/depth at DE, NT, ILB, and depending on our our recent OL picks start to sort out... RT, and interior O-Line for future stability.

thunderkyss
07-22-2013, 01:00 PM
I can't believe they don't see Cushing as a Blue Chip player.

TexansFTW
07-22-2013, 01:00 PM
In the positional rankings from 2012, they actually had Mangold a spot ahead. Not saying these guys have it all figured out though.

Gotcha, thanks for the reply. I don't have the advanced membership so I couldn't find that.

Tailgate
07-22-2013, 01:04 PM
I can't believe they don't see Cushing as a Blue Chip player.

Agree 100%

Playoffs
07-22-2013, 01:16 PM
Thoughts?

We look pretty good in comparison. Not much to quibble with overall for me.

These graphics really show how recent/coveted draft picks have performed so far, which is very interesting to me.

Porky
07-22-2013, 01:19 PM
Cushing is borderline blue chip at best. He had one year (you know the one he was busted) that was average at best. He had one outstanding. Last year started terrific but he only played roughly 1/4 of the season.

Considering his body of work, I think they have him correct.

Same with Foster. 2010? Yes, elite. Since then, his production has declined each year. Again, based on his total body of work, he's close to elite, but I think he's just outside of that in the upper part of the next tier.

Schaub is over-rated and should be average. Health issues, lack of consistency, and failures when the heat is on leave him average.

Sharpton I would move up one rung. Health has been a major concern, but he's an average player when healthy.

Brandon Brooks is too green to really rate, but I have a feeling that is too low.

Outside of that, I can't quibble too much.

nero THE zero
07-22-2013, 03:09 PM
Cushing is borderline blue chip at best. He had one year (you know the one he was busted) that was average at best. He had one outstanding. Last year started terrific but he only played roughly 1/4 of the season.

Considering his body of work, I think they have him correct.

Same with Foster. 2010? Yes, elite. Since then, his production has declined each year. Again, based on his total body of work, he's close to elite, but I think he's just outside of that in the upper part of the next tier.

Schaub is over-rated and should be average. Health issues, lack of consistency, and failures when the heat is on leave him average.

Sharpton I would move up one rung. Health has been a major concern, but he's an average player when healthy.

Brandon Brooks is too green to really rate, but I have a feeling that is too low.

Outside of that, I can't quibble too much.

Foster ranked 1st in rushing in 2010, 2nd in 2011, and 6th in 2012; was 1st in in total RB yards in 2010, 5th in 2011, and 6th in 2012; and was 1st in rushing TD in 2010, 8th in 2011, and 1st in 2012.

And, he's 1st over those three years combined in those categories by a long shot, by my count.

I respect what PFF does a ton, but it seems silly to say he's not elite. Cushing, too. In fact, Cushing more so.

Playoffs
07-22-2013, 04:01 PM
Bigger concern is our starting OLBs are below average. We're going to need to see marked growth from Mercilus and/or cobble together a rotation that is greater than its individual parts.

Brandon Brooks needs to step it up.

And I'm not too keen on being weak up the middle with Mitchell/Sharpton.

Those two HQ corners sure look good, though. Just need to avoid injury bug.

TexansFTW
07-22-2013, 04:44 PM
Bigger concern is our starting OLBs are below average. We're going to need to see marked growth from Mercilus and/or cobble together a rotation that is greater than its individual parts.

Brandon Brooks needs to step it up.

And I'm not too keen on being weak up the middle with Mitchell/Sharpton.

Those two HQ corners sure look good, though. Just need to avoid injury bug.

Not sure if I buy into Kareem being high quality or Mercilus being below average. I used to really like Reed, but I'm starting to see the below average thing myself, hope this year changes things for me.

Considering Mercilus had about 500 less snaps than Barwin last year and still put up 6 sacks as a rookie I really like his potential. And yes, I know it's not just about sacks, but in our system it's a big part.

Also, why did they grade Ryan Harris as opposed to Newton?

Here are all 32 teams if anyone is interested: http://imgur.com/a/FqUwa

thunderkyss
07-22-2013, 04:55 PM
Here are all 32 teams if anyone is interested: http://imgur.com/a/FqUwa

They've got Carson Palmer listed as High Quality but Schaub is only above average.


:facepalm:

Playoffs
07-22-2013, 05:33 PM
They've got Carson Palmer listed as High Quality but Schaub is only above average.


Both are listed as above average.

thunderkyss
07-22-2013, 06:35 PM
Both are listed as above average.

My mind's playing tricks on me.

Lucky
07-22-2013, 06:43 PM
Is Max Ungar or Muhammed Wilkerson (blue chips) better than Arian Foster? Are they as good as JJ Watt? Shows how ridiculous it is to rank players in this manner. But, it bides the time and is something to write/read about.

Playoffs
07-22-2013, 08:00 PM
Is Max Ungar or Muhammed Wilkerson (blue chips) better than Arian Foster? Are they as good as JJ Watt? Shows how ridiculous it is to rank players in this manner. But, it bides the time and is something to write/read about.

They're rated against their position.

deucetx
07-23-2013, 11:59 AM
Nothing I can really dispute on this one except maybe Sharpton being a bit low....when healthy. But if they are taking health into account then yeah, they are probably right since we seem to rarely get the guy on the field. Otherwise he is servicable at the least. Other than that all seems good to me. There's room for changes from the younger guys like Brooks and even with Foster since he admitted he didn't like his previous season so stepped up his offseason workouts.

Citing the backs they put at blue chip like Peterson and Charles I can understand. Nothing I can say to dispute guys who are averaging over 5 yards a pop with crappy passing games, heh.

Lucky
07-23-2013, 10:47 PM
They're rated against their position.

Which makes the whole ranking a big 'so what'. Is an 'elite center as important as an average QB? Is Wilkerson's elite ranking mean he's as good as Watt? It's worthless.

TheMatrix31
07-24-2013, 04:34 AM
Watt, Cushing, Joseph, Andre, Brown, and Foster are all "blue chips" to me, don't know what the hell they're thinking.

Tailgate
07-24-2013, 06:41 AM
Which makes the whole ranking a big 'so what'. Is an 'elite center as important as an average QB? Is Wilkerson's elite ranking mean he's as good as Watt? It's worthless.

To me, you don't have to make that correlation. Blue Chip is simply saying best at their position.

thunderkyss
07-24-2013, 10:15 AM
Watt, Cushing, Joseph, Andre, Brown, and Foster are all "blue chips" to me, don't know what the hell they're thinking.

Joseph was a rising star in Cincinnati, much like KJ now. He had a great year in 2011 for us. Last year he battled injuries. I think he might be a blue chip, but hasn't proven it yet.

I think Foster is a blue chip hands down, same as Cushing.

TheMatrix31
07-24-2013, 10:41 PM
Joseph is a Top 5 CB in the league when healthy. Guy single-handedly changed our secondary. And our secondary was a complete disaster with him hobbled last year and with Shiloh Keo and Brandon Harris getting regular play.

He's a blue chip. He's proven it.

disaacks3
07-25-2013, 10:30 AM
Thoughts?

Generally speaking, I can see where they're coming from.

Foster - Considered elite by pretty much everyone...except these guys.

Mercilus - Need an 'incomplete' option. You'll never know how good he is/isn't until he's an everyday 3-down defender.

Cushing - Elite, but I'll give them benefit of the doubt coming off injury.

Schaub - I'd go so far as to say he's high-quality, but not elite.

Reed- Average, not really below, unless (like Cushing) they're counting injury in the equation.

I'm also not sure I'd rate either our RT or RG as anything more than Below Average.