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CloakNNNdagger
07-20-2013, 08:30 AM
Ten is certainly not a glowing vote of confidence for a SuperBowl run.



Posted by Darin Gantt on July 20, 2013, 9:00 AM EDT


The Texans had a long climb to respectability.

But now that they’ve achieved it, there’s suddenly a sense of unfulfilled potential.

The Texans have looked like Super Bowl contenders the last two years, but have lost in the Divisional Round of the playoffs both years.

The year before it unraveled when their quarterback went down, but they squandered a chance at home field advantage after an 11-1 start last year. That makes this year seem a bit of a repeat of last year’s expectations.

But teams are now pecking away at their base of talent, and some key losses in free agency mean they’re relying on young or new players in several spots.

The Texans are fully capable of winning 12 games again, but they’ve created the questions about their mental ability to win the ones that matter most.

Strengths.

The Texans have star power at some key positions, with players such as defensive end J.J. Watt, left tackle Duane Brown, running back Arian Foster and wide receiver Andre Johnson among the very best in the game.

Watt’s season last year was remarkable in many ways, primarily because he dominated games from a position usually tailored to tying up blocks so other guys can make plays. His ability to change the passing game both as a sack guy (20.5) and by batting down passes is something few can match.

And the offensive stars got a lift with the addition of first-round wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins, who should be able to take some pressure off Johnson (and by extension, Foster) with his deep ball ability.

Weaknesses.

Quarterback Matt Schaub has been pretty good, and maybe a top 10-in-the-league caliber guy, so it’s hard to call him a true weakness. But it is getting close to the time where he either has to move up or they have to start wondering when to move him out.

He’s accurate, he’s productive, he puts up huge numbers.

But he’s not pushing into the top tier of quarterbacks until he plays better in December and January, and more and more people are starting to realize that he hasn’t done that yet. He had one touchdown pass in the last four games last season, making it no surprise the Texans only won one of them.

He’s had the benefit of excellent talent around him — with a strong running game and offensive line making play-action easier — and now’s the time for him to prove he belongs in the conversation with the very top quarterbacks.

If he doesn’t, people are going to zoom in on him as the reason the Texans are falling short, rather than one of the reasons they’re so close.THE REST OF THE STORY (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/20/pft-preseason-power-rankings-no-10-houston-texans/)

PapaL
07-20-2013, 08:52 AM
Ravens weren't a top 10 contender last year. Preseason endorsements don't concern me. Have to play great at then end of the season.

EllisUnit
07-20-2013, 09:00 AM
Cant really argue with anything they said, we have a lot of good talent at some key positions. Schaub appears to be a weakness, the O-line is in question, Reed is a downgrade over quin in the aspect of long term potential he does bring swagger and experience though.

I am feeling really positive about this season, with the draft and everything i feel we wont see a drop off in talent anywhere, and i think the right side of the o-line will be improved.

This could very well be our year, if not and Schaub fails to perform in clutch then i feel we wont see him here starting next year.

Texn4life
07-20-2013, 09:03 AM
Florio and the team at PFT don't really like the Texans much anyway since he's been picking other teams to win the division the last 2 years so this is no surprise. The Texans really didn't help the situation either by playing so poorly at the end of the season. I would have put us around 6 or 7 so I can't really complain about this all that much.

TEXANRED
07-20-2013, 09:12 AM
Anyone else excited that this is the last week of no football? Fri is training camp and two weeks after that we are playing the Vikings. :spin:

disaacks3
07-20-2013, 09:12 AM
Ravens weren't a top 10 contender last year. Preseason endorsements don't concern me. Have to play great at then end of the season.

Not Exactly. Here's last year's PFT Pre-season rankings. Link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/25/the-full-pft-preseason-power-rankings/)

No. 32: The Browns.

No. 31: The Colts.

No. 30: The Jaguars.

No. 29: The Vikings.

No. 28: The Rams.

No. 27: The Dolphins.

No. 26: The Buccaneers.

No. 25: The Cardinals.

No. 24: The Redskins.

No. 23: The Raiders.

No. 22: The Seahawks.

No. 21: The Chiefs.

No. 20 The Titans.

No. 19: The Bills.

No. 18: The Jets.

No. 17: The Panthers.

No. 16: The Chargers.

No. 15: The Bengals.

No. 14: The Cowboys.

No. 13: The Lions.

No. 12: The Falcons.

No. 11: The Bears.

No. 10: The Broncos.

No. 9: The Saints.

No. 8: The Eagles.

No. 7: The Texans.

No. 6: The Steelers.

No. 5: The Ravens.

No. 4: The 49ers.

No. 3: The Giants.

No. 2: The Patriots.

No. 1: The Packers.[

Playoffs
07-20-2013, 09:13 AM
Ravens weren't a top 10 contender last year.

PFT had Ravens at #5 in 2012. No matter, the midgets at PFT know about as much about pro football as Jerruh Jones and his son, Boy.


Anyone else excited that this is the last week of no football? Fri is training camp and two weeks after that we are playing the Vikings. :spin:
Yeah, I'm pumped.

TEXANRED
07-20-2013, 09:14 AM
Florio and the team at PFT don't really like the Texans much anyway since he's been picking other teams to win the division the last 2 years so this is no surprise. The Texans really didn't help the situation either by playing so poorly at the end of the season. I would have put us around 6 or 7 so I can't really complain about this all that much.

Florio is a tool. I listen to him on In the Loop on Fridays and although entertaining still a tool.

How can anyone pick the Titans or Colts to finish 1st in the division. Neither team has the talent that we do and our coaching staff is head and shoulders above theirs.

Haters do what they do best, hate.

Lucky
07-20-2013, 09:53 AM
They haven't ranked the 9 teams ahead of the Texans yet. But by omission of the teams not on the list, here is what I came up with.

9. Bengals - The Texans have had their number in the playoffs the past 2 years. Don't see anything Cincy has done to assume that would change.
8. Ravens - They are the defending champs, though they've lost a lot in this offseason. I think they are in real danger to slip out of the playoffs entirely.
7. Saints - Still not sure why the return of head coach Sean Payton will help the one of the very worst defenses in the NFL.
6. Patriots - I think they are a paper tiger, considering all of their offseason losses and turmoil. But they do have Tom Brady, so I guess that fact alone ranks them ahead of many teams.
5. Falcons - Often compared to the Texans in terms of regular season success but playoff disappointment.
4. Packers - They've proven that they should be ranked ahead of the Texans.
3. Broncos - Very similar talent base to the Texans. One has Peyton Manning, the other doesn't.
2. Seahawks - I still think this team has holes. But what they do well (defense and controlling they ball), they do as well as anyone.
1. 49ers - Should go into the 2013 as the favorite.

I would rank the Texans around 6 or 7. But if we see the Matt Schaub of December/January, then there may be a struggle just to win the division. I have to agree with the jest of the blog piece. The 2013 season is about which Matt Schaub shows up.

Thorn
07-20-2013, 11:45 AM
Bah humbug on Payton Manning. For all his publicity, he's got one ring. I'll take Tom Brady over him any day of the week. And as to Schaub, this is the very last year I'm going easy on him if he doesn't start producing when it counts. He's done some fine things for us in the past, but has yet to do what top notch Super Bowl QBs do. We'll see. I think he's capable, but I want to SEE it.

TEXANRED
07-20-2013, 12:20 PM
Bah humbug on Payton Manning. For all his publicity, he's got one ring. I'll take Tom Brady over him any day of the week. And as to Schaub, this is the very last year I'm going easy on him if he doesn't start producing when it counts. He's done some fine things for us in the past, but has yet to do what top notch Super Bowl QBs do. We'll see. I think he's capable, but I want to SEE it.

Schaub is 32 years old. He is the QB that he is. If we win the SB we are going to have to run the ball and play defense.

infantrycak
07-20-2013, 12:34 PM
Bah humbug on Payton Manning. For all his publicity, he's got one ring. I'll take Tom Brady over him any day of the week. And as to Schaub, this is the very last year I'm going easy on him if he doesn't start producing when it counts. He's done some fine things for us in the past, but has yet to do what top notch Super Bowl QBs do. We'll see. I think he's capable, but I want to SEE it.

OK I will take the 3 rings as a fan but really how much of that reflects on the QB?

Brady 3 SB wins - 9 points total over the opponents.
Manning 1 SB win - 12 points.
Aikman - 3 SB wins - 62 points.

I don't know of the most die hard Cowboys fan who would argue Aikman is a better QB than Manning or Brady. I am sure someone has a chromosome deficient example otherwise.

Now Aikman was the turtle during the regular season and became the hare in the post-season. People don't give him credit for that.

thunderkyss
07-20-2013, 01:54 PM
Schaub is 32 years old. He is the QB that he is. If we win the SB we are going to have to run the ball and play defense.


I sure would have liked to see that run game or defense in our last game.

Like iCak said, the play offs are a totally different thing. Flacco is Jeckyl/Hyde when we're talking regular/post season. Schaub's been in two play-off games... maybe we just haven't seen who he really is.

BullBlitz
07-20-2013, 02:22 PM
Anyone else excited that this is the last week of no football? Fri is training camp and two weeks after that we are playing the Vikings. :spin:

Definitely. Then 5 full months of continuous football into February!

EllisUnit
07-20-2013, 02:28 PM
Definitely. Then 5 full months of continuous football into February!

And 5 moew months of us blessed by your trash talking of anything that has to do with the texans. :wadepalm:

IDEXAN
07-20-2013, 03:07 PM
Schaub may be 32, but Brady is 36 and Manning is a year older than that and
those guys can't go on forever at the level of play they've had historically, especially Manning who has got to be a real risk for reinjury with his medical problems.
If we can get some stability and continuity restored to the right side of our OLine so that our rushing game can find its Mojo, we don't have to stress out about Schaub being unable to step up his game to approach the performances of the Mannings & Bradys so long as he can avoid the pics.

BullBlitz
07-20-2013, 04:34 PM
Schaub may be 32, but Brady is 36 and Manning is a year older than that and
those guys can't go on forever at the level of play they've had historically, especially Manning who has got to be a real risk for reinjury with his medical problems.
If we can get some stability and continuity restored to the right side of our OLine so that our rushing game can find its Mojo, we don't have to stress out about Schaub being unable to step up his game to approach the performances of the Mannings & Bradys so long as he can avoid the pics.

As you said, we need to get better in other areas on and off the field, and hope that Schaub can get us there at his current level. I think he can. He's good enough and gets more than his share of the blame.

Call a good offense. Get the guy another couple of effective WRs.

ATXtexanfan
07-20-2013, 08:15 PM
Hmmm jaws said 9th best q b and PFT ranks us a ten. Nuff said

TheMatrix31
07-21-2013, 02:47 AM
10th going into the preseason?

lol ok bro

thunderkyss
07-21-2013, 07:50 AM
10th going into the preseason?

lol ok bro

The NFL is made up of a few good teams & a bunch of bad teams. Being ranked 10th means we're the best of the bad, or at least into the "not so bad" range.

ObsiWan
07-21-2013, 08:08 AM
humphf!

I remember - not too very long ago - when we were happy when we made it up into the damned twenties in preseason polls.

Hopefully, those days are gone forever and it's an off year when we're out of the top ten.

I believe, like someone said, that there really ain't a huge amount of difference from 1-10 at this point in the year. No one knows who will get hurt, which guy will have an off year, or who step up and have a career year. No one knows who will catch fire in Dec/Jan like the Giants have done to get their two recent SB trophies.

Let's see what surprises camp and preseason bring us.
:cowboy1:

The Pencil Neck
07-21-2013, 11:58 AM
The NFL is made up of a few good teams & a bunch of bad teams. Being ranked 10th means we're the best of the bad, or at least into the "not so bad" range.

10th means they expect us in the playoffs. And with the Colts at 12, it means they expect us to win the division.

What's funny is them saying that we're like the Falcons were last year at this time. Really? The team that took the #1 seed in the NFC and lost a close one in the NFC Championship game? We're like them? OK.

Texn4life
07-21-2013, 12:02 PM
10th means they expect us in the playoffs. And with the Colts at 12, it means they expect us to win the division.

What's funny is them saying that we're like the Falcons were last year at this time. Really? The team that took the #1 seed in the NFC and lost a close one in the NFC Championship game? We're like them? OK.

I'd love to be in the position Atlanta was in last year. A huge lead in the Conference Championship game at home would make any fan happy.

Playoffs
07-21-2013, 12:16 PM
Texans, Saints, Packers worse than the Bengals. :truck:

thunderkyss
07-21-2013, 03:52 PM
Texans, Saints, Packers worse than the Bengals. :truck:

Don't sleep on the Bengals. They're young, talented, & they've got continuity like a mutha... their biggest problem the last two years has been injuries/health. They should have some good depth now.


Besides, the best team rarely wins the Super Bowl.

Playoffs
07-21-2013, 04:37 PM
Patriots, Texans, Saints, Packers worse than the Bengals. :rake:

TheMatrix31
07-22-2013, 02:37 AM
Don't sleep on the Bengals. They're young, talented, & they've got continuity like a mutha... their biggest problem the last two years has been injuries/health. They should have some good depth now.


Besides, the best team rarely wins the Super Bowl.


You just described us. And we beat the Bengals twice in the last two playoffs. And we're better than the Bengals going into this season.

So....yeah. They'll be good. We should be better.

b0ng
07-22-2013, 01:41 PM
Don't sleep on the Bengals. They're young, talented, & they've got continuity like a mutha... their biggest problem the last two years has been injuries/health. They should have some good depth now.


Besides, the best team rarely wins the Super Bowl.

If there is one thing Gary Kubiak has been really good at doing since he's gotten here, he's been a Grandmaster of beating the crap out of the Bengals. The talent on that team outside Green, Atkins, Whitworth and Hall are meh, and as much as been proven pretty much the last two years.

thunderkyss
07-22-2013, 02:53 PM
If there is one thing Gary Kubiak has been really good at doing since he's gotten here, he's been a Grandmaster of beating the crap out of the Bengals. The talent on that team outside Green, Atkins, Whitworth and Hall are meh, and as much as been proven pretty much the last two years.

Still... if the Ravens slip & the Bengals maintain what they've built, they can win their division.

b0ng
07-22-2013, 03:12 PM
Still... if the Ravens slip & the Bengals maintain what they've built, they can win their division.

Theoretically the Browns could win that division if Weeden is even serviceable. The AFC North is not as fearsome at the top or as laughable at the bottom as it has been in years past. We could both be selling the Ravens short since they are the defending champs, but there was a lot of turnover on that team this offseason. It's easy to question a team that has changed that much over the last few months. I really think that the AFC is going to come down to the Pats, Broncos and Texans and all 3 of those teams have their flaws or current offseason turmoil.

Since this is a power ranking thread I just want to say that while Denver was really good last year, they may be down a bit coming out of the gate this season. Here's something I saw on twitter that made me think:


Pete Damilatis ‏@PFF_Pete 4h

Von Miller and Elvis Dumervil had 155 QB pressures in 2012. The rest of the Broncos defense had 140.

They lost Dumervil to the Ravens and Miller may be suspended the first 4 games of this season. That defense may not be as good as it was last year, especially in the beginning.

thunderkyss
07-22-2013, 03:36 PM
Since this is a power ranking thread I just want to say that while Denver was really good last year, they may be down a bit coming out of the gate this season. Here's something I saw on twitter that made me think:



They lost Dumervil to the Ravens and Miller may be suspended the first 4 games of this season. That defense may not be as good as it was last year, especially in the beginning.

I know Peyton & co hadn't gelled by the time we whup'd their a55 last year, but their defense wasn't sht... & they should have been. I was worried about their corners, I thought they were supposed to have the best CB tandem in the league... or at least one of the best. Schaub carved them up like thanksgiving day tuna.

TexansFTW
07-22-2013, 03:52 PM
This is wack, and I believe we all know it. We are probably only giving this the time of day because it's not Thursday and real training camp hasn't started yet.

I will take Vegas and their line/odds-makers any day over PFT.

drs23
07-22-2013, 08:59 PM
This is wack, and I believe we all know it. We are probably only giving this the time of day because it's not Thursday and real training camp hasn't started yet.

I will take Vegas and their line/odds-makers any day over PFT.

But, but, what did Vegas know and when did they know it?

I think Vegas might have a change of mind. Perhaps not, but that's my gut.

Corrosion
07-23-2013, 07:13 PM
The Bungles 6th , the Ravens 3rd ?!? Sure the Ravens are the defending champs but they did lose a lot , especially defensively , they are the defending champs minus the champs. Not much credibility IMO.

Teams I would definitely put ahead of the Texans - SF , GB & Denver.

Teams right there with the Texans: Seattle , New England , Atlanta & New Orleans.

Teams I'd expect the Texans to beat / outperform: Bungles & Ravens + the rest of the NFL.


That would put them at 8th minimum if we ranked those all the "even teams" ahead of them.


10th isn't particularly far from where I'd put them (min 8th) .... its the teams they put ahead of them more than the ranking itself.

thunderkyss
08-15-2013, 05:30 PM
Elliot Harrison (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000229425/article/power-rankings-injuries-keep-broncos-seahawks-below-49ers) from NFL.com has us at 5 behind


49ers
Broncos
Seahawks
Falcons
Texans
Watching Houston Texans rookie DeAndre Hopkins' touchdown catch against the Minnesota Vikings on Friday night, all one could really say was, well ... damn. Kevin Walter might have perfect hair -- it's a beautiful coif -- but he would never, ever make that play. Watch it again. (http://www.nfl.com/videos/houston-texans/0ap2000000228478/Hopkins-shows-off-hops)

By the way, with the New England Patriots' passing game still in flux and Denver losing its center, this is the year to get it done in Houston

speedfreek
08-15-2013, 08:51 PM
Honestly, these rankings mean jack squat until we start beating
playoff teams not named "Bengals"

TJ

infantrycak
08-15-2013, 08:54 PM
Honestly, these rankings mean jack squat until we start beating
playoff teams not named "Bengals"

TJ

You mean like the Broncos and SB winning Ravens?

drs23
08-15-2013, 09:11 PM
You mean like the Broncos and SB winning Ravens?

A mere oversight, I'm sure.


:kitten:

speedfreek
08-15-2013, 09:25 PM
Let me try rewording for you, so you can see the original intent.

These ratings mean jack squat until we start beating teams in
the playoffs without the name Bengals.

Regular season wins against the Broncos and Ravens last year
were great, but absolutely meaningless as the Broncos still had
home field over us and, well, the Ravens won it all..

TJ

You mean like the Broncos and SB winning Ravens?

Corrosion
08-15-2013, 09:29 PM
Let me try rewording for you, so you can see the original intent.

These ratings mean jack squat until we start beating teams in
the playoffs without the name Bengals.

Regular season wins against the Broncos and Ravens last year
were great, but absolutely meaningless as the Broncos still had
home field over us and, well, the Ravens won it all..

TJ

Just a side point .... I think the Bungles win that division this season .... Not because they have gotten better but because the Ravens & Steelers wont be up to their historical standards.

speedfreek
08-15-2013, 09:35 PM
Given all that has happened in the offseason, I think the Ravens, Steelers,
and Patriots all take a step back.

The question I have is will we stay healthy enough to take advantage of
that?

Or worse, will the team stumble down the stretch and give up home
field to a team like the Broncos. (don't like our chances there this year)

Of course, if the team/coaches play with a month long fear-boner like
they did starting last year with the second Patriots game none of this
will matter.

I still can't believe we put up 6 points against the vikings -- at home
no less!

TJ

Just a side point .... I think the Bungles win that division this season .... Not because they have gotten better but because the Ravens & Steelers wont be up to their historical standards.

Scooter
08-15-2013, 10:09 PM
i think the steelers will be back on top in the north. they always have a top 5 defense with lebeau (#1 in yards last year), and if they can find some balance on offense they're going to be a 10-12 win team. of course this assumes they can keep the offensive line healthy for once and they get rid of the ridiculously ugly air it out playcalling.

DocBar
08-15-2013, 11:09 PM
Did y'all see that Pete Priscoe has the Bungles winning the AFC North AND the Super Bowl? I've heard of hair catching on fire, but dayum!!!!!!!

Corrosion
08-16-2013, 12:12 AM
Did y'all see that Pete Priscoe has the Bungles winning the AFC North AND the Super Bowl? I've heard of hair catching on fire, but dayum!!!!!!!

I could easily see them winning that division , the other teams in that division aren't very good ... but no way in hell they in the Lombardi.

Allstar
08-16-2013, 12:30 AM
If Schaub steps up, we are likely the best team in the league. If he doesn't, 10 sounds about right.

MEGA SWATT
08-17-2013, 01:09 AM
If Schaub steps up, we are likely the best team in the league. If he doesn't, 10 sounds about right.

This is the yr to do it. He is not coming off an injury and has a lot to prove